Probably useless information, but van Gogh has painted mills 👀
#🤔｜theories
lean swan
maybe, looking at the window while he was in Hotel (mental hospital)? :D
polar phoenix
He painted the hospital, mills, things he saw
Idk this stuff is prob useless, but it's still interesting and you guys are better at this stuff than I am 😂
lean swan
i guess we just all are trying to find something in the game Universe that doesn't exist
plucky swallow
Who painted that Harvey’s box painting again?
@dreamy dawn nice welcome to the church of the lobster donkey 😂
lean swan
Maggritte @plucky swallow
dreamy dawn
so how did the lobster donkey thing start
lean swan
polar phoenix
Jesus Christ he's painted so many mills
lean swan
your welcome!
plucky swallow
Go to channel 551 in paradox @dreamy dawn
manic glade
@dreamy dawn I know we’ve moved on a bit but the Rusty lake developers are from the Netherlands, fyi
dreamy dawn
ahh
lean swan
so that was really lobster donkey? i thought i heard that uncorrectly 😂
plucky swallow
Yep 👍
dreamy dawn
maybe they grew up in the netherlands and moved to canada/moved there briefly?
idk i'm not gonna get into counter theories
this isn't rock em sock em robots
hollow raptor
@dim edge please explain what's up with the lobster donkey clip xD
plucky swallow
I think it will forever remain a mystery 😄
polar phoenix
Nobody knows
plucky swallow
I love how David Bowle is trying so hard not to laugh
vague imp
we can dream
hollow raptor
maybe he is undercover
polar phoenix
^
plucky swallow
He could be anyone!!!
polar phoenix
tru
polar phoenix
Oh shit
plucky swallow
Makes sense
hollow raptor
he is a part of us all
polar phoenix
I pray to him and the great lobster donkey every night
plucky swallow
K now if he’s here he’s probably deleting discord
copper hawk
Well he doesn't have a twitter, so I'd be suprised if he had a discord
hollow raptor
starts singing he lives in you from the lion king
polar phoenix
😂
spice frigate
Can't we say every Lobster Donkey here has a little bit of David?
plucky swallow
Lobster Donkey David
polar phoenix
LMAO
vague imp
XD
spice frigate
So that makes us all David now
plucky swallow
Pulled me from the depths of sin into the lobstery donkeyy light
copper hawk
I became a leader of a sect, my god...
spice frigate
but then... if there's Lobster Donkey... then also there's Cyclops Laura?
polar phoenix
One day red will shake David's hand and I want pics
polar phoenix
We fr need a lobster donkey channel lol
spice frigate
"Look guys, I've met David - the creator of Lobster Donkey"
ok maybe no
hollow raptor
locustam marinam asinus laudanda....locustam marinam asinus laudanda....locustam marinam asinus laudanda
copper hawk
XD
polar phoenix
DO WHAT
plucky swallow
Rusty lake rn
https://imgflip.com/i/2ika75
dreamy dawn
they're gonna kill lobster donkey off in the next game
plucky swallow
Noooooooooooo
hollow raptor
but i need merch
polar phoenix
I hope lobster donkey gets his own game 😩
spice frigate
I'd like phone case with Lobster Donkey
polar phoenix
YEAH
plucky swallow
And wallpaper
polar phoenix
Lobster Donkey beanie
hollow raptor
lobster donkey badges
plucky swallow
It’s own tv show
plucky swallow
Underwear
polar phoenix
Bumperstickers
spice frigate
actually, Lobster Donkey beanie would look like... Donkey ears and rest is Lobster
polar phoenix
😂
hollow raptor
love it
plucky swallow
mossy girder
OH my ahahah
I didn't think lobster donkey was real !
How did you find that channel ??
hollow raptor
i just checked all 999 channels
mossy girder
WAIT WOW
hollow raptor
yeah i am a mess
mossy girder
You're kind of a hero :')
hollow raptor
wipes tear
dreamy dawn
an insane hero
hollow raptor
is this what being loved feels like
polar phoenix
He hero big
copper hawk
I watched all 2000 channels to register them all
polar phoenix
Where the rest of the lobster donkey followers
copper hawk
idk
plucky swallow
@rare mural
plucky swallow
spice frigate
Oh! of course I'll join
rare mural
Ey
thorn coral
You can also check in the files (if playing on steam) to see some (maybe all idk) tv clips, the first one is lobster donkey
mossy girder
Ahah
languid lantern
Omg lore of this one
So I where to being is so Dale is being groom to be Mister Owl successor
But is competing with the woman
manic glade
Huh, interesting. I didn’t even think about him competing with her
visual granite
Uhh... Lobster Donkey? o.o"
Did I miss something in the story or-
There might be a few reasons.
copper hawk
551
visual granite
One is that he was getting too close to exposing them and they need to shut him up.
copper hawk
@visual granite
Try 551, you'll understand a little better
languid lantern
Does it matter which chapter
dreamy dawn
maybe lyra
visual granite
Oh.
dreamy dawn
but in the book you find in cube escape the cave
dale isn't referred to as an enemy
he's
languid lantern
I unlock everything achievement wise
languid lantern
Yeah
visual granite
Anyway, another reason--though I'll admit this is unlikely af--could be that he's veeeeeeeeery distantly related.
I mean, Vandermeer vs Vanderboom?
Could just be coincidence but it's something I noticed.
visual granite
?? Must be forgetting something; been a while since I've played the Cube Escape games...
copper hawk
Ok, so, James is William's nephew and only heir, right ?
Which mean he's Aldous's son
So Laura is Aldous's great great great daughter
manic glade
Van der meer means from the lake and Van der boom (essentially) means from the tree. Vandermeer especially isn't the most uncommon of dutch last names
copper hawk
Now
have you ever noticed
that the sprites for Aldous and Dale's grandpa are the same ?
copper hawk
and that the grandpa's pistol is the same as Mrs. Pheasant's ?
they NEVER recycle character sprites or gun sprites
except there
I think it's really big to swallow
no
Mr. Crow stole Mrs. Pheasant's pistol, and Mr. Rabbit killed the family to get it back
visual granite
I'm not seeing Aldous's grandfather, but I'm reading that Dale's grandfather looks like Aldous himself...
copper hawk
which means Dale and Laura are technically cousins
@visual granite
They don't just look like one another, it's just the same guy
visual granite
He even has stubble in that second one, holy fuck.
Nose and ears are identical in each...
copper hawk
the second one is from Case 23, where his human form is just a mask
visual granite
Oh yeah...
copper hawk
and the lack of eyes, except in Cave
visual granite
Yeah was gonna say--
But wait, wasn't he shot too in the birthday one? Or was the memory messed with?
copper hawk
well
he's an immortal being
so he "died" at least twice
he faked his death
because if he was thought alive, he would inherit the house instead of James
visual granite
Never did specify whether it was functional immortality or 100% immortality...
copper hawk
same in Birthday, he faked his death for not looking suspicious
he doesn't want anyone near his precious elixir
it's temporary eternal life and invincibility, in some way
his body can die, transforming him into a soul
but since the elixir has the effect to make you able to change form in the wheel of life
languid lantern
Hmmm
copper hawk
he can just get back into his body
visual granite
Ahh, okay.
copper hawk
in roots, there's a soul helping you
it's Crow
he transformed into a soul to be less suspicious
and teleport
but it's temporary, as seen in cave
he needs to use more elixir to stay immortal
that's why he uses the dog's elixir
languid lantern
How did he get into the service of Mr owl
copper hawk
that's simple
visual granite
Everything connected at one point, I remember that much.
visual granite
You mean they were acquaintances before the whole elixir stuff?
copper hawk
Caroline
is the first
to search for the elixir
Owl gave her research to the alchemists brothers to make it a reality
visual granite
Oh shit that's right
copper hawk
in exchange of him being at his service, he would let him use the researches, and get a part of immortality
they eventually found the elixir, they tried, and the rest is history
I think I'm the one with the most knowledge about these games, the clearer idea of what's going on, and the more theories that make ridiculously sense
At least on this server
copper hawk
I know XD
but the thing is, those fever dreams actually have a deeper meaning that connect them together, and it's sometimes in the tiniest details that comes the craziest, yet most logic answers
languid lantern
So Caroline was trying to become immortal
languid lantern
But failed and then turned allow the whole process go to her son?
visual granite
True... one question I've had since first getting into this fandom though: are the other animals in Hotel besides Crow and Owl the souls of the folks from Paradise? Cuz that always confused me a lil.
copper hawk
nope
only them
inside the hotel at least
the Hotel itself is just a cover for Mr. Owl's revenge and plans
languid lantern
What was deal with the animal in hotel was it him killing his family?
copper hawk
yup
he just killed his family out of revenge for them sacrificing him and his mother
languid lantern
It seem like he is the keeper of souls
manic glade
At least you're humble about it
visual granite
Well yeah but why were they animals rather than... y'know, themselves?
visual granite
Was it their souls?
languid lantern
Maybe the all reached "enlightenment"
copper hawk
the thing is, for SOME REASONS, the Lake decided to transform them and give them immortality
languid lantern
or is that an immortality two different things
It allowed Mr Owl to build his Hotel
Which was it their during the Jame life
copper hawk
yeah
languid lantern
Which is the biggest simple of his office as the ruler of the lake
copper hawk
yup, that's pretty much it
though he SAYS he's the ruler of the Lake
but the Lake is much more powerful than him
languid lantern
Unless he shares in it power
I haven't played the other ones in a while the cubes are fed to the Lake
They are the memories of individuals
But when they're ripped away they create corrupted soul
And the timeline of the series is really because it is weird time traveling thing going on
For example Laura overcame her corruption
copper hawk
I don't even know where to put Seasons as a game in the timeline
no, I don't think Dale is the killer
What's your native language ?
languid lantern
If I write anything long it could get screwed up in the movement.
I'm saying happen I mean lake
copper hawk
ok, I still don't understand the question
manic glade
They're asking how the timeline goes Seasons then The Lake, or something like that
languid lantern
I always play lake first and you need to get the true ending in seasons to unlock the true ending in lake
So the timeline is screwy right their
And I do not think lake is throw away
copper hawk
well, the thing is, there are manu places where we have to put Seasons on the timeline
seasons as a series of events, so the years written on each levels
and seasons as Laura going through her memories and overcoming her corruption
and I don't know where to put the second one
but Lake takes place while she's still alive
languid lantern
She fight off corrupt soul with the power of the gem
copper hawk
the original ending is her getting attacked, though, not her being saved
languid lantern
Maybe she overcomes her corrupt in death? But again paradox implies she alive and grow old
Hell Dale is only five years older then her
copper hawk
yeah but no
Paradox is all in Dale's mind
it's yet another memory
just like Birthday and Theatre
old Laura is just there to represent her talking to him about the future
but she's way dead
languid lantern
Laura during lake 34
36 during her death
But season have her going all over the place
languid lantern
She could be 29 during seasons considering it starts in 64
copper hawk
the thing is
languid lantern
Aww so 81 where she could be 46
copper hawk
seasons as a series of events (her getting the house, her getting paranoid about someone wanting to kill her, and the day she died) are all real events on the timeline
but winter 81 is, I think, a made up memory the Lake gave her
so she could be at peace with her corruption
copper hawk
just like Dale embraced his
the thing is, you cannot be pure
there will always be corruption in you
languid lantern
So what with Dale in and the golden cube
languid lantern
Awww
copper hawk
that's what the Lake is trying to do to them
by giving them therapy inside their minds
It's just harder for Dale because of his trauma
languid lantern
So I wonder what up with mister Owl stepping up successor
languid lantern
So it look for someone to become the lake?
languid lantern
Aww
languid lantern
What have Mr Owl been doing again?
I thought he was keeping the corrupted Souls locked up
copper hawk
killing his family, trying to destroy the corruption, and thinking he is a god
so only things the Lake disapproves
languid lantern
Aww ok
I do wonder how he build the hotel
I wonder if they will ever make a game about that
manic glade
“Rusty Lake Hotel Building Simulator”
languid lantern
I will play it
copper hawk
it can't be worts than Cave
manic glade
“Design a hotel! Hire employees! Plan the menu! Serve your guests! to your other guests”
I enjoyed cave a lot
copper hawk
so like Fnaf pizza simulator ?
with the corrupted souls of your guests trying to kill you at night
languid lantern
More like a business cross with the occult?
So could it be in the works we may never know
manic glade
They may be looking to branch out, do some other games
I doubt something like that would be anytime soon but seems like they're open to the idea!
languid lantern
You know what's funny I thought all the characters where Dutch
But it's completely Cannon now that they have American accents
Which would make it really strange James is not off in The Civil War
manic glade
Maybe they're from the american-accent part of the Netherlands
manic glade
Nothing official, no. Though there are references all over
languid lantern
They could being a tri-state area or old New York families
manic glade
There are a lot of lakes over here
languid lantern
In New York or the Netherlands
manic glade
New York
copper hawk
yeah but
Canadians have the american accent
kinda
and Leonard goes in WWI with a British soldier helmet, which were also given to Canadian soldiers
EVERYTHING
POINTS
TO
CANADA
MANITOBA
LEAF RAPIDS
RUSTY LAKE
languid lantern
Can we actually the image of our guy in his uniform
Also does anyone else notice that bloodline has a pension for mustache
manic glade
languid lantern
Look at what they are all wearing?
It seem their least one that get James face
visual granite
Are you talking about the 5 o'clock shadows?
shy pecan
Oh man do I have a lot to catch up on.
I liked Paradox, but I don't know what it means for the story.
visual granite
Whoa... So just a question of which might be relevant, if any...
Also something I noticed while watching Jesse Cox play "Roots": wasn't this weird hieroglyph thing in "Paradox"?
shy pecan
It looks familiar, but I don't know if it's the same.
honest magnet
isn't it sanskrit?
shy pecan
Yes
Just going off Roots, the book James was reading made it seem like that phrase means "The brothers become the alchemist."
dreamy dawn
not sure if it's the same but some hieroglyphs do appear in the past
during dale's birthday
they look like the same ones
if i remember correctly
languid lantern
You see a similar thing during Paradox as well
dreamy dawn
yeah that's what i mean
Paradox: the past
when you put the past brain in and it's his birthday
after D. Eilander shoots the two parents those hierogylphs appear all over the walls
languid lantern
Now I'm wondering does Mister Crow and Mr owl orchestrate Dale situation
Because you see him in hotel
Again time is really weird here
shy pecan
Okay, let's assume for a moment that they did orchestrate the events in birthday. I'm wondering what they wanted to accomplish.
And now that we know it was David who killed his parents and grandpa, how was he alive at that point, and what did that gun mean to him?
copper hawk
those "hierohlyphs" are sanskrit for the 6 states of the wheel of life
and it's always them
only them
देव God (?/the cubes, possibly the Lake)
मानुष Human
असुर Asura, surnatural being (angel/demon) (basically the furries)
तिर्यग्योनि Tiryagyoni, animal’s state
नरक Hell (blood forest)
प्रेत Ghost (souls)
hollow raptor
basically the furries
shy pecan
Well...I'm pretty sure you're right.
copper hawk
I did all the translations myself before discovering literally 2 minutes later that it was already on the wiki
shy pecan
Oh no, I was talking about "basically the furries"
copper hawk
oh
well it's the only thing that can fit in there
every life form has to have it's state in the wheel of life
the animal hybrids like Crow or Owl don't have a state
the demigods don't have a life form
welp
shy pecan
Okay but, what really happened on Dale's birthday?
copper hawk
- they're immortal and have supernatural powers
Mr. Rabbit showed up and killed everyone except for Dale himself and Aldous, because he was immortal, but he faked his death so no one would ask how he survived
that's it
the rest is just the Lake giving therapy to Dale
shy pecan
Okay, but isn't the way Dale "dealt with his past" really unhealthy? He's in denial.
rare mural
This whole experience is unhealthy for dale 😂
shy pecan
Yeah. Chap 2 gave me a Dr Jacobi from Twin Peaks feeling, which oddly enough was the most shocked I've been in the entire series.
rare mural
Isn’t there a twin peaks reference in game though?
manic glade
Yup
rare mural
And didn’t they actually visit twin peaks irl(the whole crew)
manic glade
Where it was filmed, yeah. It seems so 😛
manic glade
Or at least the hotel
hollow raptor
dang I really need to watch TP asap
manic glade
Let’s Rock!
shy pecan
The owls are not what they seem. They are actually lobster donkey.
manic glade
Hahaha
rare mural
The church of the lobster donkey accepts those who confess their sins
mossy girder
Rusty Lake is FULL of Twin Peaks references !!
copper hawk
Rusty Lake IS a TP reference
hollow raptor
okay I really need to watch it now
copper hawk
OH MY GOD
thin elk
thorn coral
🤔
manic glade
David Lynch is from the future, it wouldn’t surprise me
plucky swallow
Ive only played the first little bit of roots
But it struck me that this
(The part at the beginning but close enough)
Looks like this:
Especially when the body falls out of the clock
thorn coral
is that samsara room?
hybrid elm
Oh yeah, those things inmedistly reminded me of samsara's!
plucky swallow
Maybe samsara is some far future version of rusty lake
When everyone’s evolved
But I don’t think it was meant that way 😛
hybrid elm
Maybe it was just a reference to it?
visual granite
Wait, what's Samsara?
thorn coral
play it
hybrid elm
I think it's the first game of the RL guys, before Cube Escape Seasons
Afaik it doesn't belong to the RL universe at all but it's the same aesthetic/style
plucky swallow
^
copper hawk
Samsara Room is Rusty Lake 0
it's not even considered to be in the canon of the series
but yeah, those are references to it
but nothing more than references
Samsara Room is about a soul going through the 4 elements, and the 5 stages of life to reach enlightenment
Also, interestingly enough, Paradox is the only premium game with no serial number on the loading screen
Hotel
Roots
Paradise
Paradox
It's just black everywhere
copper hawk
I think it's just there for the devs to be sure they send the right game x)
or something like that
knowing there are 14 games, and it's numbered in production idea order, not date of release order
Samsara room would be 0
all the cube escapes 1 to 9
the rusty lakes 10 to 12
and Paradox 13
hybrid elm
Maybe it's because it's a cube escape game?
The other three are rusty lake
Idk it's the only actual difference I can find?
copper hawk
There is no way of knowing if the cube escapes have serial numbers, sadly
because since it's on browser, you can't stretch the window the way i did
well you can
but the window of the browser, not the one of the game
plucky swallow
I wouldn’t count paradox as a premium because it is still a cube escape and it’s half free
Maybe that’s why?
Oh that’s what Nero said
hybrid elm
I didn't had in count the fact that is half free tho dkfkkd
It could be also the reason
Or maYBE
JUST MAYBE It's because it's the New 0 game ..the beggining...
Of the Lobster Donkey Era (?
Jokes aside maybe they just forgot to do it too?
copper hawk
or they just got rid of it when they saw I found it
just to be prettier
Because it's old news for me
I already talked about it like 3 times on the server
hybrid elm
Lmaooo "someone discovered it let's mESS UO WIRH EM"
I mean tbh that would be me as a game dev
plucky swallow
Probably that’s it XD
copper hawk
no, but "hey, they found this by accident while trying to get a better angle, it's ugly, let's get rid of it"
it's only during the loading screen, though
after that it's pitch black
languid lantern
How does other ending in paradox work into the lore
hollow raptor
i believe the ending in which dale enters the elevator is canon
because it fits with the ending of Hotel
copper hawk
the red, blue and green vial ending are just Dale trying different things to get out of this memory
the only one that has an effect on the timeline is the golden cube
he escapes and continues to the Hotel
hollow raptor
Man I hope Harvey appears in his/her humanoid form again
visual granite
Do you think the game after Paradox is going to be the last one?
thorn coral
n e v e r please
visual granite
There's a... Kind of finality building up though.
thorn coral
Im gonna cry when it ends
hollow raptor
then there will have to be spin offs
spice frigate
don't drink green kool aid
copper hawk
The devs said they still had plenty of ideas
So I guess the main story will end in about 3 games, and after that they'll continue spin offs and backstory, before maybe continuing with a new intrigue, and maybe new characters
thorn coral
woohoo
hollow raptor
tbh I'd play a crappy Rusty Lake dress up game too
copper hawk
Me too
but it'd be better to do that as a hidden minigame
and make it so that it stores the dress up
and if you play again, the characters have the clothes you chose
thorn coral
yee
languid lantern
I would love a rusty lake city builder
thorn coral
theres no city tho
languid lantern
Play as Mr Owl as he build up the surrounding area
Well city as city
But a town
Mr Owl need to build some type of fortune to build up that hotel
thorn coral
yea
hollow raptor
well aldous and william were alchemists
languid lantern
Yes but that hobby
hollow raptor
samuel seems to be quite a skilled craftsman
ida was a fortune teller
albert probably blackmailed people or some sh*t
languid lantern
But Samuel dress incredibly fine later in life like his father James
spice frigate
Omg-- I didn't expected that as an answer
languid lantern
It implies some affluence
shy pecan
Maybe they owned land?
languid lantern
Possible the house is big but it no masion
They could be the old land Dutch families of NY
The brother could be into the occult they are hand to have money
In land or business
Brothers*
shy pecan
Maybe even bankers. IDK.
copper hawk
the brothers were alchemists
If they managed to make an elixir of life i guess they could transmute some lead into gold
shy pecan
Were alchemists paid well then?
languid lantern
You do not make money as alchemist in 190p century
That up their being cunning man
copper hawk
They were paid by kings back in the middle age to make infinite amounts of gold
but then it was forgotten
languid lantern
Their where most likely some type of Gentry or idle rich
But most likely middling
I guessing
copper hawk
Or they had a formula to make gold out of pretty much nothing
shy pecan
Oh no, what happened to the construction crew who built the hotel?
languid lantern
Mr Owl the island
It seem like During is youth their was no settlement but island
shy pecan
in Mr Owl voice Spend a night in the hotel. Harvey will come tonight with your payment. I believe you will find it a great deal more interesting than your original offer.
copper hawk
Harvey: We did not agree on strip tease sessions, boss
shy pecan
Oh and I'm really glad you hung that crystal chandelier. The lake will be grateful.
shy pecan
Mr Owl: Harvey, Paradise, I mean the hotel wouldn't exist without great sacrifice.
copper hawk
It's a buttler
languid lantern
He is his butler?
copper hawk
yeah, kinda
languid lantern
Kinda seems like his low key hit man
shy pecan
Low key high pitched hit man
plucky swallow
😂
hollow raptor
was that a black butler reference
copper hawk
no, it's just a fact
plucky swallow
🤭
languid lantern
I would love the game about the origin of the hotel it seem like to big of deal
shy pecan
@hollow raptor yeah, I thought so.
copper hawk
It's canon that Paradise Island is the Hotel Island that Mr. Owl just bought back after the Eilanders were all killed and brought back by the Lake as demigods
well not even bought, he just claimed it as the last heir
copper hawk
hnnnn
copper hawk
I don't really know how it would work
shy pecan
They took out a loan from the lake.
copper hawk
or maybe a game where you're Mr. Owl, and you buy the island, build the hotel and take contact with Aldous, Harvey and the other workers
but just the building of the hotel wouldn't make a whole game
copper hawk
especially a Rusty Lake, since it wouldn't be in the main series, so, premium game
They're way better at puzzle games
copper hawk
they could try, but it'd be a big risk on quality
languid lantern
Building Would be the series of puzzles
shy pecan
Okay, jokes aside, that game would be boring.
languid lantern
Naww
It all how the package it
The puzzle could the strange building of hotel it kinda supernatural kinda of steam punk
copper hawk
that's why I'm proposing a lore based game about how Owl built his empire and connections, and not only the Hotel
- the Hotel is just a cover, it's not even used
copper hawk
The Hotel is a cover
Not a functional Hotel
Well it can be
But it's not meant to be
It's just there to kill the Eilanders
And be a GQ for Owl
Maybe it's used sometimes to make a quick buck and keep the cover
But it's not a fully functional Hotel
shy pecan
Drug rehab center! That's the cover.
copper hawk
X)
shy pecan
What? Mr Boar came for that, right?
copper hawk
Yeah
languid lantern
Does Mr Owl have any supernatural powers to our knowledge.
Maybe double as a Institution
copper hawk
But it's branded as a mental treatment and relaxation center
shy pecan
Ya know, I think all of the guests at the hotel were seeking mental health.
copper hawk
Besides immortality and changing of state, I don't think so
Maybe he has an ability to tell the future
shy pecan
Ms Pheasant was really not doing okay.
hollow raptor
well he did make dale float in the mill
copper hawk
@shy pecan
Deer was here to study the Lake
Rabbit and Pheasant were there for a show at the Theatre
Pigeon wanted to relax
Only Boar was there for his addiction to opium
shy pecan
That's surface level. The theory I'm thinking is deer was sent by his family for some back in the day reason like he was queer. Rabbit and Pheasant needed therapy, and performing was their vessel of therapy. And Mrs Pigeon was a brilliant scientist but considered insane because she was a woman.
They were not progressive times.
languid lantern
Pigeon straight torturing a child
plucky swallow
true
hollow raptor
well she kinda was insane for deep frying the baby bird
shy pecan
Oh yeesh, that's true. But why was she allowed to take her victim with her?
copper hawk
They didn't check the luggage
shy pecan
Damn, Mrs Pigeon was a straight up sociopath.
copper hawk
Or it's her child
hollow raptor
so the furries can be born, too? 🤔
is the little birb immortal, too?
copper hawk
I guess
vague imp
I saw a theory somewhere that this pigeon child could be the same pigeon that was helping Harvey out of the box in ‘Harvey’s box’ game
But idk if it makes sense. It could be or it could be not
Just like anything else about the series lol
spice frigate
Could kind of make sense, considering that Hotel started in 1893
and Harvey's box events in 1969, or well... as the wiki tells us
languid lantern
I do think their furries it just they have animal forms
vague imp
Yes, I guess so too
hollow raptor
yeah, the furry thing is just a joke 😄
vague imp
Hahaha
spice frigate
hm, true true...
flint ember
if you ties the games together into a timeline, how would it look?
spice frigate
there's timeline on RL FANDOM wiki
mossy girder
@hollow hound is here for the theories !! :D
flint ember
i edited the page, so you can see here: https://rusty-lake.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline note: there may be mistakes
shy pecan
@vague imp that theory checks out, I think. They could be like "Hey thanks again for killing my abusive mom. Let me help you now."
hollow hound
@mossy girder I am ! And first, i need to get this out, why does Dale has a beard in Paradox ? We see him shave in case 23, and he doesnt has one in the other games.
(hello everybody, thanks for having me on this discord)
vague imp
Maybe, because he is not really inside his body all this time? Like in the world of memories and cubes
Just an idea ofc
(Or the journey took him so long that the bears grew up again looool)
beard*
hollow hound
growing up again would make sense
flint ember
@hollow hound i think dale has a serious case of timeline logic
thorn coral
You shave it in the police office right? But next chapter, the chapel, it said, that he was thinking about case 23 for months? Isnt it like that, so kt grew Back
hollow hound
i dont remember that part, you may be right
vague imp
No, after finishing the police office part, it says that soon he suddenly finds himself in the unknown room
still sleet
Is Paradox actually the last game to ever be published in the series?
vague imp
Which is the Rusty Lake chapel
The “thought for a long time” part goes between his investigation of Laura’s house and the police office part
still sleet
If so, what happens to the golden cube?
vague imp
Re-playing the whole series now - and was at this moment yesterday. Yes, Paradox blew my mind that much
manic glade
Paradox was/is supposedly the “last cube escape game” but it probably isn’t the last rusty lake game ever
vague imp
Wait... where does the info about the last game in the series come from? :/ Did the developers mention it?
Sorry for lagging behind
hollow hound
you dont make a "dale's journey continues" achievement when you have not planned anything after paradox
manic glade
Somewhere it was mentioned somewhere along the line that it was the last cube escape game (not the last in the series, to be clear) but if there was an official source I don’t remember where it came from or if it was just a rumor
I believe there will be more Rusty lake games at some point but I imagine they want to rest a bit, and maybe branch out to other things. Maybe things that are still Rusty lake themed but are a bit different
vague imp
Maybe it’s the ending of Dale / Laura story then
still sleet
So the Cube Escape series is more akin to a "Season 1"?
manic glade
Or maybe they change their mind and do decide to do more Cube Escape games, who knows
vague imp
They can start another storyline in the same universe
Or follow the Twin Peaks path and make a 25 years after lol
manic glade
snaps
At least they would do it by choice and not because of networks being networks 😛
languid lantern
I do not think this is the ending Dale story
Or least I hope not
We have the golden cube
hollow raptor
we need furry dale
hollow raptor
hmm...while Dale is supposed to be his heir, Mr Owl is still alive (at least, for now)
So I don't think he will be an Owl too
languid lantern
Honestly think both the hate and mask hints at share bloodline
He can where mister grow hat
Maybe he descended of the Vanderbooms?
Mr Crow is his forefathers
hollow raptor
of whoom?
laura was the only Vanderboom left, I think
vague imp
Unlikely, he is of Vanderbooms inho
hollow raptor
jesus I can't even type properly today
vague imp
If he was, there’d be more hints of him being a relative to Laura
I think this is unlikely
languid lantern
It look like Mr crow could be his grandfather maybe
vague imp
Why do you think so?
hollow raptor
his grandfather was shot by Mr Rabbit, but Mr Crow is still alive
bold owl
I should play Roots again, I forgot the whole story
vague imp
Yeah, same about the Roots - need to replay that now when I have more proper understanding of their relations and who is who
hollow hound
im not sure about a Dale being from the vanderboom bloodline
languid lantern
It’s funny as this series been progressing it’s been getting easier to understand then paradox is like duck you
vague imp
Like Twin Peaks lol
languid lantern
Now you replay the entire series and pay attention to every little detail
vague imp
Aha and going through the fandom wiki from time to time while replaying lol
languid lantern
bold owl
I wish I could make a pun but I can't swear :')
next cradle
GRANPAPPY!!!
copper hawk
I don't know where y'all getting your sources, but the devs keep telling over and over again that they still have many ideas and they're far from done
languid lantern
I taking guess
With a sprinkle for too many things
This game forces you to pay attention
For example all the animals guest where born after paradise
copper hawk
Btw, it's not just Crow's disguise, he really looks like that as Aldous
languid lantern
Interesting little side fact. Mrs. pigeon is the youngest of the
Guest*
She only 32
copper hawk
@languid lantern
And for why they have the same gun, it's really simple...
Dale's granda is Aldous Vanderboom that faked his death with William, to make believe they both poisoned themselves, and he made a new life, married someone and gave birth to Dale's mom, which is why Dale isn't a Vanderboom
Then, Mr. Crow was in the Hotel, so he could've just stole the gun
I think I'll have to make a list of my theories at some point because I have to explain them every time, and there are always people that are like "GUYS I'VE FOUND SOMETHING MINDBLOWING" when it's already old news and I talked about it at least 5 times...
copper hawk
I should, yeah
but where do I even start ?
there are just too many things to talk about
languid lantern
Hotel take place in 1893
copper hawk
yeah, and so ?
languid lantern
Timeline duh
copper hawk
what, "timeline" ?
languid lantern
Do you think the date do not matter
languid lantern
Paradise take place 1796
copper hawk
I really don't see what's your problem there
copper hawk
Yeah, but they don't contradict nor confirm what I'm saying, so why are you bringing that up ?
languid lantern
I’m not trying to argue with you my friend
I’m saying they matter but I’m trying to figure out their importance. They’re hinting at something
next cradle
kk
languid lantern
James sees the Hotel fully build in 1870
Mr. Owl use the hotel to feed the lake
The animal guests are far young to be his siblings and family
I think they could be his family reborn
languid lantern
They are they have official birthdays
copper hawk
where did you find that ?
languid lantern
Their all born decades after paradise
It on the wiki Officially was giving out by the company
copper hawk
can you give me the link ?
languid lantern
It’s just not for him it’s for all of them
All the animal guest have age and profession
copper hawk
let me see for a sec...
languid lantern
Mister boar the oldest miss Pigeon the youngest
copper hawk
ok, I think I'll have to explain it to you in a way you'll understand, because I get that it's confusing...
Yes
they are that age
and
no
they are not
first thing first, it's confimed in Paradox that Mr. Owl IS JAKOB EILANDER
languid lantern
Yes I know
copper hawk
ok
so
And it's also said that it's the Lake that made him eternal
good
now, Jakob is 200+ yo
and he looks 50-60
languid lantern
Then why were they giving out stats like this on Twitter
languid lantern
Ok😊
copper hawk
The ages that were given
are the ages they give when they are in their human form
to seem less suspicious about them being immortal
because as a demigod, you don't age or at least, very slowly
languid lantern
I don’t know some of the characters seem completely different. I think they maybe reborn. But I see where you’re coming from
Because incarnations is a big thing in the series to.
copper hawk
yes
the thing is
the Lake gave life back to every family member
and made them immortal
and now, they are kinda obligated to give fake ages
languid lantern
For example look at Mrs Pheasant We see her again in theater
copper hawk
because nobody will believe you if you say you're 230 yo on your CV
languid lantern
Looks nothing like Jakob sister
You see Jakob retain his human face just no hair
copper hawk
and you really think that human Owl looks like Jakob ?
languid lantern
Yes twenty years older
And if he let himself go
His human form his him just fat and bald
copper hawk
yeah, no hair because of him being burned alive ^^"
languid lantern
Then explain the pounds my friend he got chubby
copper hawk
well after dying, getting back to life, getting immortality and transmutation powers
I think he started to enjoy life a bit better
- human flesh is quite caloric
yes, there are people that calculated that
may Lobster Donkey bless the poor souls that suffered for those experiments...
languid lantern
copper hawk
ssssssure, yeah...
Well, actually
They do look alike
She's just older, with make up and her hair coloured
languid lantern
I do not know brother she red
Speaking the cubes
Cause stuff
Like crazy stuff
The golden cube Mr. Owl call the full elixir
copper hawk
?
languid lantern
It combo of the black white and blue cube
Black cube is the most common
It negative memories
The white is positive
And the blue we do not know but it does allow time travel
All three make the gold cube
And Mr. Owl feed cubes to the lake
copper hawk
the blue represents the past, the black and white, good and bad, and together the present, + the elixir that is in Laura's blood because of William, you get the future, the golden cube
past + present, both good and bad + eternity = future
plucky swallow
I think the blue is just time tbh
Although yes both times it’s been used it’s been past...
Unless there’s more about it in roots or paradise that I don’t know
The golden cube is for a special elixir
Anyways gtg
mossy girder
Not sure Elizabeth is Mrs Pheasant tbh.. their behaviors are so different
Your theory about the family of paradise being the animals in hotel is quite nice, but the personas don’t match
copper hawk
No, they're the same as their masks in Paradise
mossy girder
Aah yeah right, forgot about the masks, indeed.
Btw, did you play Samsara’s room ? Does it fit in the lore, to you ?
copper hawk
It fits the lore, but not the canon
It's good for explanation purposes but it's not a character we know
it's even more detached to the series than the Rusty Lakes
To get back to the personality switch :
Nicholas, a religious fanatic
Deer, a scientist
David, down to earth
Rabbit, magician
Margaret, an old lady rooted in tradition
Pigeon, a young lady involved in technology
Elizabeth, a girl a bit shy that doesn't take care of her appearance (because she's blind)
Pheasant, a star, obsessed by her look
Gerald, a dumb pig
Boar, still a pig, but involved in politics
@mossy girder
granite karma
they both like sandwiches
copper hawk
Well, he is a pig, both literally and figuratively
languid lantern
Well his Job tell you he refined
Ambassador in this era huge. That have to be cultured and trained etc,
copper hawk
He eats his own shit
granite karma
u gotta be very cultured and trained in order to do that
copper hawk
or just a politician
granite karma
OOOOOOOO
hybrid elm
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOASDKLAJSDH
languid lantern
Yes he is a shit eater
granite karma
infinite food
copper hawk
I think at some point there is no more nutritive mater to be digested, so you'd feel fool but still be hungry
mossy girder
It’s also very bad for your health
shy pecan
When you think about it, an axe to the head is a better way to go than his route of self destruction.
lilac trench
yup them shit sandwiches will get you
copper hawk
I searching for a map
No it doesn't really match
it's weird
cool easter egg, though
lilac trench
fur
dreamy dawn
are corrupted souls just people who need to shave
lilac trench
exactly
dreamy dawn
i mean dale was growing a beard in paradox
and it was talking about how dale is gonna be all corrupted
yeah
mossy girder
It looks like an old tv when it has reception trouble
Feels a bit like spikes / interferences. A corrupted soul cannot stay smooth, since it’s corrupted. Also, the spikiness may "cut through" the skin, hence why it’s hard to old oneself
hollow raptor
I think it's hard for a corrupted soul to maintain physical form
copper hawk
I'm starting a wikifandom page to register my theories
I don't know where to start XD
btw
Eilander literally means "islander"
so yeah XD
copper hawk
ok, I first posted my placement theory
I'll continue later, this is quite exhausting and time consuming...
oops
wrong link
NO
NOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IT DIDN'T SAVE IT
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
steady plover
( hugs ) There, there
steady plover
yay
copper hawk
I can't imagine myself typing all that again...
Still hugs you
Ok, I think I'll continue with the family theory
copper hawk
Summary : there is only 1 family, and not 3
mossy girder
:o
steady plover
well, i can sorta believe that since Rose looks kind of looks likes Jacob ( or Jakob, hoewver you spell it )'s mother in a way when she's older
That could be just me though
copper hawk
the Eilanders are... a bit weird
for the Eilanders, there are 2 scenarios that could both work
So unless I find another proof, we can't settle it as fact
copper hawk
done
This is exhausting...
But at least it's done, and I won't have to explain it anymore
And yes, I signed my theories, I want to keep them
This is too big of a project not to protect it
I literally spent months thinking about every little detail of my theories
And I still keep improving them and searching for clues that prove and disprove them
I think I have an addiction problem