#🤔｜theories
copper hawk
It's the only one that has some what of all the criteria
Window on the right when you enter the front door, that lets you see a row of houses, witch are separated by a gap that could fit a house in
You don't see as many houses as in the game
but looking at the angle of camera, there is no way that many houses fit in this window
so yeah
copper hawk
wait, maybe it is possible to have that many houses in the window...
hybrid elm
If they are far enough it should be possible
copper hawk
I think it is enough..
Yup
so it was the only thing that made my theory wrong
debunked
Well
no
there is another thing
that destroys it
hybrid elm
👀 👀
hybrid elm
Make it canon (?
copper hawk
Btw, I don't have ALL the credit for my theories, even though I made most of the research and I did put some of it in ideas
But I did this with a friend :3
hybrid elm
Ohhhh nice!!!! You two did a great job omg!!!!!
copper hawk
^^
hybrid elm
RL: HOTEL (?
copper hawk
And another guy that isn't even that invested but a great listener when I get over hyped helped my solve some things that were hidden in plain sight
XD
hybrid elm
Oh nice!!!!! I only got one person to play the games and when I hyped too much nobody understood LMFAO
hallow geode
iconic
hybrid elm
I need all the RL memes
copper hawk
x)
Also I saw this one and...
Mr. Owl... What happened to you ?...
Did you reveal your true nature ? °^°
(Translation : You walk alone in the middle of the night and you see this... What do you do ?)
blblblbl
I am R.E.D.™
RustyLake Excessive Dependency™
It's too late for me x)
btw, i just love how there is a literal gap of 64 years when we know absolutely nothing except that Owl bought Paradise and built the Hotel...
and 98 years before we can hear again about Owl and the Eilanders...
Also, has anyone noticed something just... so weird in Birthday ?
1 : the gun is Mrs. Pheasant's (literally the same than in hotel, and i checked every game, there is never a reuse of a gun sprite except for this one, they even are in similar boxes although, on the one in Birthday, it is written "ghost" in two different languages)
2 : Mr. Rabbit wants it back... even though it's not his...
3 : Dale's grandpa has it for some reason .-.
4 : Mr. Rabbit, who is already a spirit... bleeds... and I assume dies .-.
wtf is this gun ?...
I mean, if it's Mrs. Pheasant's it's technically also Mr. Rabbit's since, it's David and Elizabeth, so brother and sister
so the fact that he took it to "balance his past lives" is... comprehensible .-.
and I guess he doesn't die, but has a samsara to paradise
but...
still
why does Dale's grandpa have Mrs. Pheasant's pistol and how does it make Mr. Rabbit's soul bleed ?!?
I'm just lost, here
hybrid elm
Wow I didn't notice they were the same!
I'm lost too, idk why he has it
Unless he ends up with it by the connection between the families?
No wait, those are the Eilander, my bad
copper hawk
I mean
hybrid elm
But mr Owl and mr Crow we connected, so maybe Mr Crow the ends with the gun after Ms Pheasant shoots herself
hybrid elm
And maybe somehow Mr Crow passes it to the Vandermeer OR again grandpa is Aldous
copper hawk
then he could've just take it at the Hotel
hybrid elm
Yup, that would make sense!
copper hawk
BUT YET
hybrid elm
There isn't much staff at the hotel, maybe Mr Crow is who cleans the rooms ?
copper hawk
HOW DOES A SOUL BLEED FROM A GUN SHOT ?
hybrid elm
UuuUUuU mAGIC (? Idk that's a good question
Also it klled Ms Pheasant....
There is definetly smmth with that gun
copper hawk
The only answer I can see right now is "The Lake", but it's a bit Deus Ex Machina...
Mrs. Pheasant was an Asura, witch are eternal beings... but not immortals
hybrid elm
Either that or the gun is made of smth special material? (Or the bullets)
And Mr Rabbit isn't one too?
copper hawk
He is, but in Birthday, it's not Mr. Rabbit the Asura
it's the soul of Mr. Rabbit the Asura
Wait
No
I think
OH GOD
I THINK THERE ARE TWO RABBITS
hybrid elm
I got a tad lost
Yeah that was my theory
We see two rrbbits at the same time. In hotel too
hybrid elm
I gotta replay to screencap the exact moment tho but I rmeemebbe it wekl
hybrid elm
A white and a brown one
hybrid elm
That's why I had the theory that Mr Rabbit wasn't an Eilander LMFAO
copper hawk
Because when you're in Rabbit's room, sometimes you can see a white Rabbit out the window, that looks exactly like the soul of Mr. Rabbit... But... I think it's just a coincidence... That was made by the developers to confuse us °^°
hybrid elm
Maybe, but I think it does have a meaning
Because they are definetly different rabbits
hybrid elm
Omg
copper hawk
One that is the opposite of what they were
hybrid elm
And ones that's the same?
copper hawk
and one that is a concentration of their previous being
hybrid elm
Yes
hybrid elm
The brown one is the one Mr Owl kills (well technically Harvey) and the white one is the one that attacks fake family
Omg
copper hawk
fake ?
hybrid elm
Dale*
copper hawk
oh ok x)
hybrid elm
Phone auto-corrector kfjflsfksls
copper hawk
the thing is
I think that
the ones Harvey killed are the attempt of the lake to make them come back to life
but the soul and body separated
and the body created its own soul
and the soul kinda created its own body
but keeping its form
wait no
no
NOOO
I KNOW
hybrid elm
!!!!
hybrid elm
👀
copper hawk
The Lake brought them back to life
but it was too instable
and their memories were split
in white and black cubes
hybrid elm
Omg yes!
copper hawk
the white cubes are the real ones
the black cubes are the ones that were killed by Harvey
And it's quite easier to see why some of them have two soul appearances
with one that roam at the bottom of the lake
it's...
really twisted
good job, RL
hybrid elm
It's extremely twisted and I love it
copper hawk
x)
patpat
btw
I saw something with my friend
if you play the RL games on steam
and you play with the size of the screen manualy
you can see, during the loading screen a number
I think it's the order of release of the games
hybrid elm
Wait really? I didn't saw that!
hybrid elm
i keep forgetting how many games they are omg
manic glade
How do the numbers work then
copper hawk
Samsara isn't considered a RL game (even though it's the same universe) so I'll count it as 0
the cube escapes are labeled 1 to 9
then Hotel, Roots and Paradise are 10, 11 and 12
Paradoxe will be 13
manic glade
They must have planned it out fairly far in advance then, interesting
copper hawk
yup
manic glade
That also implies they're not making any more cube escape games
copper hawk
developing a series with a story like this
manic glade
Any more games they make will be something different
copper hawk
you have to know where you're going x)
manic glade
Well, David Lynch didn't, but it still worked out in the end with Twin Peaks 😛
manic glade
So is that the plan? No more cube escape games?
copper hawk
No
manic glade
Heh, if you say so
copper hawk
There will be another one
manic glade
Ok, then why is that one numbered differently
copper hawk
just because they can't just let us with the build up they made in Cave
Simply because the last CE are chronologically right next to one another
manic glade
What do you mean?
copper hawk
the last 5 games happen one after another in a matter of minutes
Heck, Case 23 and the Mill happen at the same time !
copper hawk
so putting the rusty lakes after this whole mess isn't that big of a stretch
manic glade
You've lost me
copper hawk
well, there is some kind of a transfer between Laura and Dale
so maybe it'll take some time
maybe months
Why not years ?
manic glade
Yeah you've lost me completely 😛
copper hawk
what i mean
manic glade
Don't worry about it
copper hawk
is that the end of The Cave could mean that there will be some time between this game and Paradoxe
and so the numerotation of games with the RL ("bonus" games) after this whole mess
is easier for the developers
that's all I'm saying
manic glade
I would think it would be easier to just number the games in the order they came out, surely 😛
copper hawk
Yeah, but they worked on them pretty much all at once
manic glade
We have evidence for that?
copper hawk
The story was decided a bit long ago
And inbetween, the projects of the rusty lakes came along after
It was inbetween the development of the CE, but after the ideas for the games were decided
so they didn't just shift the numerotation to make it in order of release date
they putted them at the end of the list
but they had time to work on them before they finished the other CE
some kind of a treat for them, you know ?
Hotel is quite easy to program
Roots took muuuuuch more time, but it's less chaotic than some CE (except some passages, to stay in the mood of the series)
And finaly Paradise... They just had time, it's the last that came out x)
distant mirage
i think the devs have actually said they're not doing any more cube escapes
75% sure they said they're done with free games in general
rotund wing
distant mirage
i want to say on here somewhere, maybe shortly after the last game launched
it might have been in an email update, too
manic glade
The question then is what are those people's sources
cloud zephyr
Ah
distant mirage
@twin drift
round hare
Ask @dim edge
I remember reading it somewhere but I couldn’t find it on their blog so maybe it’s not true
dim edge
Paradox will be the tenth Cube Escape, but there is a very high chance that this won't be the last 😃
cloud zephyr
Glad to hear it
strong finch
Noice
twin drift
Idk where II got that information from I can't remember, glad to hear it's nit true
hallow geode
thin elk
Noice
shy pecan
Well that answers a lot of questions.
hallow geode
Those ??? between the two Mr. Rabbit are triggering me
copper hawk
the thing is, I think there are two Mr. Rabbit
all because of this image :
You can't have the soul of Mr. Rabbit outside while he is still alive, more so in the same frame.
and another detail is : do you see how the one outside has whiskers ?
The soul doesn't have any...
while the one from Birthday does
That explains how this supposed Mr. Rabbit's soul can bleed and die
it's not his soul, but another anthropomorphic demi god Rabbit
now, the real question is : which one of the two is the "reincarnation" of David Eilander ?
rustic coral
the white one
copper hawk
and I think it's the one from Birthday, that wanted to kill Mr. Crow (yes, Dale's grandpa, it's litteraly the same character design, witch... only happens with Mr. Rabbit, but this one is on purpose) who helped Harvey to kill every member of his family and stole his sister's pistol (same, there is quite never a reuse of a design)
And that Mr. Owl just invited the wrong guest for his revenge x)
and it's possible, "Mr. Rabbit" is more of a hare
and we saw Mr. bat and Mr. Toad, whose transformations were never explained.
so having more demi god animal hybrids than what we see is possible
rustic coral
have anyone noticed that Mr crow in his human form doesn't have eyeballs.
Now look at the first shelf of the bookcase in Paradox
copper hawk
right... but where does the other two come from ?
william ?
or Laura
(basically the same)
rustic coral
but we killed Mr Deer in hotel
copper hawk
Yes, but Mr. Deer already had a deer skull, while he was alive .-.
I'm gonna go check the timeline, real quick
(Yes, I made a complete timeline from 1796 to 1972)
rustic coral
I think it's Mr Owl's room because of the cigars and the files
hybrid elm
maybe those are Ida and uuuuuuuuuu FORGOT HIS NAME AGAIN, her husband eyes?
like, wild guess af????
idk if the timeline matches
copper hawk
Yeah, but the cigars are in Harvey's box, so it,s possible that they moved .-.
rustic coral
also I think that Paradox takes place between 1973-1981
Harvey is always near Mr Owl
copper hawk
@hybrid elm
If it's Laura's eyes, well it,s technically also Samuel and Ida's eyes x)
hybrid elm
touche!
vague imp
but didnt the tree "eat" them?
copper hawk
Yes and no
the tree made them fuse into a new being that was then planted into Rose :
Laura
copper hawk
And if it takes place in 1973, knowing that The Cave takes place in winter 1972, it,s impossible that it's directly Samuel and Ida's eyes
Murdered by a vengeful soul or a corrupted body
Most likely Bob
rustic coral
I think it aws Bob as well but Mr Deer made him do it !
and I think I have proof...
copper hawk
(I have to go, I'll try and catch up on that tomorrow)
Remember the time when we thought there was only one pure corruptedbeing that possessed people that seeked revenge ?
good times
anyway, bye
rustic coral
I think it was Mr Deer bc remember the sound Harvey mimics in seasons https://soundcloud.com/user-401922522/harvey-summer-1971cube-escape-seasons that sound is the same as a wild deer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO6FvalHULo
copper hawk
It sounds more like a woman screaming to death because she's being stabbed by someone...
rustic coral
I;m talking about the second sample sound Summer 1971: Harvey imitates a man-like groan.
copper hawk
Hnn... Sounds like a boar, to me...
hnnnnn...
Idk...
it's weird...
I'm 300% sure that Harvey's not a girl...
Fandom wiki....
Why is it written "she" all over the page ?
copper hawk
I mean... In hotel, 1894, clothes are gender stereotypical, and I mean...
That's clearly not a dress but a tuxedo-like thing
So clearly... It's not a woman...
copper hawk
And you don't name a girl "Harvey"...
OH
I know why it's written "she"
BECAUSE HE F*ING LAYS EGGS
I just thought about that and WTF ?!?
thin elk
Uh
copper hawk
is he like... both genders ?...
thin elk
Ain't that an oversight and a half xD
copper hawk
for a bird like a parrot you can't really tell the difference, they just have one hole that does everything (yes... EVERYTHING)
but... yeah, maybe Harvey was a girl all along, but he never knew until he laid his first egg, and he was pretty much used to be a guy ?
Idk, that's weird
or just transgender
but it's not common in 1800's
thin elk
I mean
You can't forget that if you get reborn, you can change genders and stuff. Maybe that's somehow connected to that
copper hawk
definitely an oversight x)
but we still have to figure out how it's possible in the canon
because we're theorizers
thin elk
Eh. Shifts happen
copper hawk
we other think what the developers did
that's our role
(yes, theorizers, not theorists.
A theorizer makes a theory up.
A theorist is the one that will try to prove it)
Ok, I just realized that Harvey sent a birthday letter to Dale...
So CLEARLY he knows the Vandermeers
witch confirms once and for all that the grandpa IS Mr. Crow, and not a confusing reuse of the same design
Oh btw, the fact that the Grandpa and mask forms of Aldous don't have eyes is normal...
But why is it that as the alchemist brother he doesn't have eyes, and yet in The Cave, he has ?...
That's confusing...
copper hawk
I just thought about what @rustic coral said about the room we see in Paradox being Mr. Owl's office.
We know it's a Cube Escape and not a Rusty Lake.
And all of the Cube Escapes (except Arles... wft Van Gogh...) followed the same story in more or less chronological order.
Knowing that it'll take place, in 1973, that The Cave took place in winter 1972 and that at the end of it, Dale take the elevator to the Hotel (yes, the same elevator, the last room of The Cave is the -1 floor that we can't access)
It would make a lot of sense for Paradox to take place at least partially in Mr. Owl's office.
But i hate to speculate on upcoming things.
Either it's what you said and you're not impressed
Either it isn't and you're not interested because the scenario you thought of is more likely to be better for you than the actual one
So yeah, if it really takes place in Mr. Owl's office, expect me to let out a bored "called it..."
shy pecan
I think that in hotel the white rabbit is the same as the brown rabbit, and he's trying to prevent his own death. He believes he is able to, but finds that he can't.
copper hawk
I have 1 problem with this theory
shy pecan
Yeah?
copper hawk
Whiskers
shy pecan
Seriously? Whiskers?
copper hawk
yup
let me explain
this one has whiskers
and so does this one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306499946671243266/457233084518105098/unknown.png
BUT
not this one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306499946671243266/457232722092621854/Capture_decran_2018-06-15_a_08.51.58.png
That's why I think they are two separate entities
(And that explains how he can die in Birthday even though he is supposed to already be dead)
shy pecan
You mean because they made the conscious decision to remove the whiskers?
copper hawk
Because it's in the same game, and if it was the same character, they would've just use the same sprite
but they didn't
shy pecan
To be fair though, David has done a few things he probably died from.
Right, I hear ya.
copper hawk
And whiskers don't grow back
and every Mr. Rabbit soul we see lack whiskers
except those two
shy pecan
I only see the one in the tank without whiskers.
copper hawk
The Cave, down in the Lake
he doesn't have any
and same in the opium fog of Mr. Boar
shy pecan
Oh, I didn't know he was in Cave.
copper hawk
They all are in Cave, right before the golden cube room
shy pecan
I'll have to play that one again because I clearly missed something.
copper hawk
There is a minigame in the cave where you control Mr. Owl to block the 5 souls from attacking Dave
and then at the end of the game this exact scene plays in front of your eyes
shy pecan
Oh, that one. And he doesn't have whiskers in that one?
copper hawk
he doesn't
both in the minigame and in the bottom of the lake
and you can even see his shadow inside of the golden cube room
and still no whiskers
so yeah
two separated beings
and I think the brown one is just Mr. Owl that messed up and sent his invitation to the wrong anthropomorphic human-animal demi-god Mr. Rabbit
And it's possible, because there is no explanation of where do Mr. Toad and Mr. Bat come from
so there might just be many more demi-gods
(I say demi-gods because of the wheel of life from buddhism, every other being corresponds to the 5 other statesof life, and it's even directly said in Theatre with the names of those 6 states in hindi, the one of the hybrids being "demi-god")
fun fact, on the pistol's box from Birthday, it's written "ghost" in two languages, witch is in favour of my theory of the balance of the past lives (it's even said in Mr. Rabbit's note when he left)
copper hawk
I just had many of my theories partially thrown away just by finishing all of the easter eggs... I'm... lost .-.
copper hawk
Ok, ok, ok...
So...
The flowers that gets Harvey to appear in Paradise are the same as in the memorial of The Search...
And... In fact...
I think that every character on that island became a demi god.
Every Eilander, Harvey, the bunny killed by fly-mosquito-David, witch is next to a magician hand with a playing card, the bird killed by David, a frog, and the bat from cave that just flew there.
they became respectively : every guest in Hotel except for David that becomes the white Mr. Rabbit, the bunny becomes the magician guest, the bird is the soul that helps us in Roots (it doesn't correspond to any other bird we know of, and we are William, brother of Aldous, helper of Mr. Owl, enemy of David, so basically, we are against David that killed him, so it's normal that he helps us) the frog, Mr. Toad, and the bat, "Mr. Bat"
I would say that Mr. Crab exist, but unlike the other two, it's not only his heart that was ripped off, but his entire meat, so it's not probable
We can repair a broken heart (Gerald) but make a hole new set of muscles, it's something else
shy pecan
What bird is the one that helps us in Roots?
thin elk
You mean the little pigeon or Mr.Crow?
shy pecan
Oh yeah, I forgot about that little pigeon.
copper hawk
the little bird the get his heart ripped off by David
and then gives us help with Albert
deer mask and symbols of the cabinet
Also I'm fairly confused because in The Staircase, 1870, we can see every guest in the hotel, but the code in Birthday is 1894, witch clearly resembles a year, and shows us what happens right after Hotel
shy pecan
Well that's the year Harvey came to the house while Emma was looking for Frank, wasn't it?
shy pecan
I thought that was the case because it's a similar pillar of light when he fled.
copper hawk
@strong finch That's what I'm saying
strong finch
Ik
copper hawk
The Search was in...
shy pecan
Okay, but why would it provide Albert with the skull?
copper hawk
1891
strong finch
Harvey never truly died, and Mr Crow has another shadow in the second level
copper hawk
to help him kill Samuel and Ida, breed Rose, and create Laura, the new vessel for William's soul, so that William can help Mr. Owl destroy the rest of the Eilanders once and for all
the bird was killed by David, after all, and everyone, even Mr. Owl, think that the magician is David (while I think it's not)
Harvey maybe died after, of age
idk
or maybe the Lake didn't want to make him jalous XD
copper hawk
(or her ? idk at this point)
shy pecan
I don't think Harvey is as old as the timeline suggests.
I think his way of existing and his progression of time is perpendicular with the world of Rusty Lake.
Wherever he appears in a given version of reality, he's experiencing all of those moments where he is present at the same time.
So every moment he's there, he's also in every other moment. While he's delivering a message, he's receiving it, and smelling flowers, and crapping on a mill window sill, and being threatened by a corrupt soul, and being murdered, and killing the guests at the hotel.
Okay, so imagine you're walking down a corridor. The wall to the left of you is the beginning of time, not for you but someone else. To you it's just space. You shimmy to the right and appear in someone else's timeline until they've lived past your right shoulder.
hallow geode
What happens in the cave ?
shy pecan
Quite a few things, so I'm having some trouble thinking about what the answer would be.
shy pecan
Well let's say that there's a functioning suit in the submarine which would enable Mr. Crow to leave while at the bottom of the lake. He still has to haul around the machine for him to verify he's grabbing the right memories. There may be more of them in the lake, theoretically.
He still has to reach them at their respective depths.
shy pecan
I think that was mister Owl.
hallow geode
But how ? Owl is Jacob
shy pecan
I'm not 100% sure what he was doing that got the hose bit.
Well yes, but he has been taking the elixir.
rustic coral
probably one of the corrupted souls tore the hose
shy pecan
I figure the elixir is the reason he's still alive from what? 1790 - 1972?
rustic coral
i agree but he is getting older
shy pecan
Assuming he's around 20 when he went back to Paradise Island that puts him at around 200 years old. Yeah, he's aging.
rustic coral
yeah he is aging just with a slower rate than nomal...I think because it's not the full elixir
shy pecan
Oh, whoa, is...is Dale carrying William's memories, and that's why Mr Owl is so interested in him?
rustic coral
i think he is in some way related to the Vanderboom family
shy pecan
Yeah, a lot of people think the granddad in Birthday is Aldus. I think that's interesting if it's true.
shy pecan
Yeah, so he must have fathered one of Dale's parents, which I presume is the mother because she would marry a man by the name of Vandermeer.
It raises the question though, Mister Crow seems to have knowledge about the future. Was it important that there was an entire timeline where he was shot to death?
rustic coral
Have you seen this? @copper hawk
shy pecan
I'm having a little trouble with the link. That's very interesting. I have to head out though or I'll be late meeting someone. Have a good one!
rustic coral
ok
rustic coral
What do you think?
copper hawk
Uuuh
Quite frankly, it's dismissed features, so it's not canon, but it could help understand what is official
Rose was associated with the whiskered white rabbit...
rustic coral
Maybe they didn't include it in Roots because it was too soon
rustic coral
but I think the 2 families Vandermeer and Vanderboom are connected
copper hawk
We don't know any other Vandermeer
So knowing Dale is 30-ish in 1972, 21-05-1989 is a death year
rustic coral
His son with Laura?
rustic coral
Dale was born in 1930
copper hawk
Yeah I'm dumb, he's 42
rustic coral
In Season at the end we see that Laura was saved
In 1981
Both Dale and Laura are enlightened so their child could be a god
copper hawk
The golden cube is the fusion of the good and bad memories of Laura (b&w cubes) and the memory of time travel of Dale (blue cube) si technically their child (?)
And it's the future of a Rusty Lake
So yeah
But
It's still a death date
Witch is weird
rustic coral
death date?
copper hawk
If it's Dale's son, in 1989, Dale'll be 59
If it's the cube, he'll be 17
If it's his legitimate son, he'll be around 30
rustic coral
it could be an event regarding jimmy
copper hawk
Yeah, but there is exact dates only for births and deaths, the rests is just the seasons
copper hawk
After
rustic coral
why?
copper hawk
Case 23 / the mill
Birthday
Theatre
Cave
Because in theatre, the elevator goes down
After the cave, it goes up
rustic coral
after theatre the elevator goes up
copper hawk
And it's clearly shown that it's after Birthday, as his memories begin to fade, going in the Lake
Uh...
Are you sure ?
rustic coral
ok
copper hawk
(I'll be back at about 18h UTC)
copper hawk
back
rustic coral
hey
rustic coral
hehehe...
vague imp
more plz im a hungry..hedgehog..thing idk what the amoeba creature in my icon even is anymore..
vague imp
yw..XD
copper hawk
more seriously
uh
wtf is up with Harvey ?
putting the perpendicular timeline theory aside
(even if it's interesting, there is no proof, it's more of a speculation)
how can he be a male, lay eggs, be a parrot, and a demi-god at the same time ?
hallow geode
Answer : It's a f*cking Rusty lake game !
copper hawk
and switch from one to the other when he wants
vague imp
plot twist:Theres two Harveys
manic glade
Surely the last quality is an answer to the previous three
copper hawk
meh
vague imp
Maybe he dosent care about those things..?Or maybe he does but you know
hallow geode
Why would he ?
vague imp
Maybe he eats them?
vague imp
unless..
when they are in their animal forms..
they have actual animal brains..
idk if you get what i mean but
vague imp
....uhhhhhhhhhhh
copper hawk
we're in 1894 at most, transgender isn't really popular
manic glade
Neither is being a furry, yet...
copper hawk
XD
vague imp
XD
manic glade
I’m not saying that, just that maybe a parrot-being isn’t particularly concerned with the gender of clothes it wears
vague imp
i read that in the voice from that one song from moana..
copper hawk
unlike the Eilanders or Aldous, he doesn't come from a human, but an animal
vague imp
i forgot his name...
copper hawk
Maui
vague imp
yeah him..XD
rustic coral
you don't know that.. look at the hand inside the cage
rustic coral
how?
vague imp
didnt they say he would return somehow?
rustic coral
maybe...
copper hawk
well, Laura's brain is Albert's, in a way...
and reincarnations and spirits are nothing new in Rusty Lake
so making him come back in a way or another isn't all that weird
vague imp
Bring back the other Vanderbooms 2018
copper hawk
I mean, we have a whole family that came back as demi-god-hybrid-human-totem-animals
so...
reincarnation seems normal x)
rustic coral
Rusty Lake: We wanted to make a very dark family member, which became Albert. He will somehow return. https://www.geekgirlauthority.com/meet-artist-rusty-lake/
vague imp
yes thats what i meant thanks..
copper hawk
huh
rustic coral
let's talk timeline
rustic coral
Rusty Lake: paradise
Rusty Lake: roots (1860-1885)
Cube Escape: Αrl (1888)
Rusty Lake: roots (1889-1891)
Rusty Lake Hotel (1893)
Rusty Lake: roots (1895-1935)
Cube Escape: seasons (1964)
Cube Escape: the lake (1969)
Cube Escape: Harvey’s Box (1969)
Cube Escape: seasons (1971)
Cube Escape : case 23 (1971-1972)
Cube Escape: mill (1972)
Cube Escape: the cave (1972)
Cube Escape: Birthday (1972/1939)
Cube Escape: theatre (1972/1971)
Cube Escape: Paradox (1972-1981)
Cube Escape: Seasons (1981)
copper hawk
Yes, I have a 200 years timeline TO SCALE
precise to the month
with every event that we know some sort of day, month, season or year
rustic coral
do you agree with mine?
rustic coral
yeah ok
copper hawk
(it's said in the letter in the beginning of the game)
rustic coral
i know
copper hawk
now, I'm not sure if Hotel takes place in 1870, 1891 or 1894
rustic coral
1893
manic glade
Doesn't it say 1893 at the beginning?
copper hawk
1870 : The Stairs, we can see every guest in the hotel
1891 : flash of light like at the end of the flash of Birthday and Harvey come to see Emma as a bird
1894 : the code in Birthday
oh yeah, it says 1893...
rustic coral
William is ay the same time a ghost(roots) and Mr owl (hotel)
copper hawk
?
rustic coral
the hotel takes place at the same time as roots
manic glade
Are you saying William is Mr. Owl?
rustic coral
yes
rustic coral
william
manic glade
I mean I know they resemble each other but I'm not sure I agree
rustic coral
william= Jacob=Mr Owl= Laura
copper hawk
and reincarnated as Laura
And we see both Mr. Owl and Laura in Cave
manic glade
That's....an interesting theory
I don't think I agree at all
If nothing else at the end of Roots Mr. Crow says to William "Bye I gotta go see Mr. Owl now"
copper hawk
yup
manic glade
Yes
That seems to have been pretty much confirmed by this point
Possibly Jacob's Mom might be swimming around in Mr. Owl somewhere too. Somehow
But all the evidence seems to point to that conclusion
I'm not much for theorizing when it comes to this game but that seems to be what's going on 😛
rustic coral
and then how does William know about the elixir?
manic glade
He and Aldous have been experimenting with it
vague imp
I just pictured:
Mr.Crow:..So where are you parents?
Mr.Owl:I am also my mother.
Mr.Crow:Oh
manic glade
Same way the Eilendar family did
People in the real world have been trying to find the elixir of eternal life for hundreds of years. These people just happened to find a lake which might actually make it possible 😛
shy pecan
I'm playing Paradise again, and how much of a dick does Gerald need to be to eat the key and hold it hostage until you bring him soup?
hybrid elm
he really wanted that soup (?
shy pecan
I really want that key to ya know help them with this thing the family asked me to do btw
And when I say "I" I mean Jakob.
shy pecan
Okay, but more serious question: On the level with the gnats and lice and toward the end you get flies to cluster around the eyes from your mom's picture. Why? Is there some story significance there?
shy pecan
Oh hey, @copper hawk , remember that birdlike soul that helps you in Roots? The one that gives the skull to Albert? What do you suppose it's the same as the plague doctor in Paradise?
copper hawk
Ooooooh that's really interesting, because that soul is kinda crow-like, just like plague doctors... yeah, that's really interesting...
Though, I don't know why him or why he would help .-.
even with a stupid bird I had somewhat of an explanation XD
And for the eyes, I think it's just a way to represent the soul, just like in Roots, in Rose's level you can see William's picture flash to a soul picture, but because they wanted to use the flies, because... you know... it's the plague that she caused... they had to invert the colours
doing a black face would still let the eyes black, so they did the other way around
btw, there is one thing that is absolutely creepy, it's that the Vanderboom lived with William...
They could see him when in close connection with the spiritual world
(Emma's suicide, Albert pretty much all the time considering his murderous ambitions and his voodoo magic, and Rose with the Ouija board)
And he watched on them, just to kill them after...
RL is creepy enough, and Roots in particular
But they had to make so that some characters were aware that William would kill them all...
God, you heartless monsters...
I love you so much for this ❤
copper hawk
Also, I just thought about a theory that is quite generaly accepted : Season is Laura reliving her memories as Mr. Crow tries to extract the in the Mill...
But... Uh... The Mill is in 1972...
Seasons... Winter... 1981...
If it's a memory, then how the fuck did she remember something from the future ?....
It's not like she had any type of contact with a golden cube back then
though, I'm sure that those ARE Laura's memory, as it's literally named "memories" in the game
but, I'm not so sure about the fact that it's during The Mill
hallow geode
blue cube magic travel time trick
copper hawk
Ok... In that case, why did they need Dale's blue cube if they could've have one with Laura ?...
rustic coral
I think the blue cube in the cave was Laura's as well
copper hawk
No, it's clearly shown in the book that the white and black cubes are Laura's, while the blue is Dale's
rustic coral
but it's the clock from Laura's house
copper hawk
- the elixir that William ingested, it makes the golden cube
rustic coral
Was Laura's death planned by Mr Owl?
copper hawk
yes and no
I'm 100% sure that this book is the same as the book of prophecy in Paradise
same paterns
rustic coral
And in paradox?
copper hawk
no idea
rustic coral
wait...
copper hawk
I've seen no books in the trailers
rustic coral
rustic coral
I think just to get Dale involved
copper hawk
He didn't kill her, he just used her corpse to have the cubes
though, I don't know if it was planned or not
rustic coral
Probably it wasn't planned and was a result of the corrupted souls escaping from the hotel
copper hawk
no, I think it's one of the Eilander's corrupted soul that killed her, using Bob (ex-boyfriend) as a physical medium, either to prevent or to prepare the creation of the golden cube
rustic coral
The Eilanders are the guests
copper hawk
yup
hallow geode
Jakob iconic slaughter of his whole family
Why would he kill Elizabeth tho she was nice
copper hawk
just easier for me to say "Eilander" than "the hybrid-human-animals-Asura-demi-god-things that we see in Rusty Lake Hotel"
rustic coral
I strongly believe it's Mr Deer
copper hawk
@hallow geode
She didn't do anything to prevent the sacrifice of his mother, or even himself...
copper hawk
She actively burned the cage with Jakob in it
hallow geode
Because it's the last plague
copper hawk
yes and no
Caroline cursed the island with 9 plagues
only 9
the 10th was the choice of the family
hallow geode
Waitwhat
copper hawk
she wanted to purge them, to let them choose if they really wanted to kill him after all
she didn't force them
she wanted to save him !
the tenth plague was the family's own choice
that's even more messed up and powerful
I mean, yeah, she gave them the Owl cage
to test them a final time
but that's all
they put on the masks
they encaged him
they burned him alive
they didn't have to
rustic coral
how would they become demi-god if Jacob hadn't been burned?
copper hawk
they wouldn't have, and the story would've end there
rustic coral
was Caroline's sacrifice for nothing then?
copper hawk
yup
rustic coral
but at the end Jacob became semi-god himself
rustic coral
so it's a win -win situatiom
copper hawk
Not really, if you consider that he kills them all after that XD
Paradise :
The Cave :
and there is no gold on the side of the book, so it's not the same in Paradox
rustic coral
But he did it for his mother " The lake is hungry for new memories"
copper hawk
yeeeaaah...
I think it's more of an excuse to avenge his mother...
or else he wouldn't have kept the cubes
rustic coral
Also why would the Vanderboom house aka Laura's house have a painting of Caroline?
copper hawk
WOW WOW WOW, WHERE ?!?
rustic coral
In the case where you have to burn the painting with the cigar
copper hawk
Btw, Laura's house isn't the Mansion of Vanderboom family
it's actualy a little house in the same town than little Dale's house
rustic coral
I think it is
copper hawk
no, it's not, the living room is different, and there is a big white flowered tree both in front of Laura's house in Case 23, and at the end of Birthday
wait wait wait, you have to show me this, witch game ?
rustic coral
are you talking to me?
copper hawk
yeah
rustic coral
wait
copper hawk
show me that painting
manic glade
Yeah Caroline is that Mona Lisa looking lady that shows up in those pictures in Case 23
Or it looks like her
copper hawk
whoooa, never thought about that
manic glade
rustic coral
copper hawk
It does make a lot more sense about why that painting exist
And you just gave me another proof that the Vanderboom are the Eilander's descendants
From... David's side, I guess
because Jakob never had the chance to... procreate... since he kinda died in a fire
copper hawk
and the human adult version of Elizabeth has a foetus as an essence of her past life, so either abortion or death of the baby
rustic coral
Laura and Dale lived on the same street
so they might have met in the past and probably will meet in the future (1981)
copper hawk
i wasn't talking about the picture of the tree, more of the one under witch Mr. Rabbit dies, but yeah
rustic coral
well it's the same tree
rustic coral
rustic coral
yes!
copper hawk
how the fuck can't we see it with a CLOSE UP ON THE WINDOW ?!?
rustic coral
they might forgot to add it in the window puzzle
copper hawk
Well that's a shame XD
rustic coral
lol
rustic coral
me?
copper hawk
yup
rustic coral
oh that's so sweet... thank you
copper hawk
I'm just laughing uncontrollably right now x)
rustic coral
remember the developers are human, humans make mistakes
copper hawk
Yeah, I know x)
rustic coral
sometimes we tend to overthink
copper hawk
Right, but we have to
You can't search for logic in a world where you know there can be inconsistencies
in that case, it's just so dumb, there is no other explanation possible XD
rustic coral
I think we have to explore the rules of the lake and the wheel
copper hawk
right
rustic coral
what if Caroline is William?
copper hawk
wtf-
no way
rustic coral
why?
copper hawk
just... How would she be reborn as William ? .-.
copper hawk
huh
uuuh...
I think it's important because she is the reincarnation of someone that drank the elixir
rustic coral
in reincarnation the reborn person can remember some characteristics of his past life
so if Caroline is William , William would know about the elixir and try to recreate it
copper hawk
huuuuh......
or
if she's just an ancestor, as I think she is
he might have just found her notes...
shy pecan
It kind of makes you wonder how Caroline was going about her research.
rustic coral
Also I want to share this
copper hawk
Knowing that the brothers found it (kind of) in 1859-1860...
shy pecan
Oh yeah, that's Paradise and Cave, right?
rustic coral
right!
copper hawk
wait wat ? I don't remember that in Paradise
shy pecan
I noticed it yesterday and thought "Wait, what? So...is that always there?"
manic glade
It’s when you’re swimming through the lake at the very end
copper hawk
I don't...
recall that...
OH
oh ok
yeah, right, I remember
though, it's interesting that those are literal black and white cubes, and that... it changed colour .-.
somehow
shy pecan
But it's uncanny, looking at it side by side. Seems like exactly the same place 180 years apart.
copper hawk
at some time
shy pecan
Things were more sepia back then.
copper hawk
it is exactly the same place, knowing that it's exactly under Paradise Island and under the Hotel
witch... means that the island is just a floating body of dirt .-.
that's weird
shy pecan
Yeah, and it even has a cave on it, so there's a hollow area on the floating body of dirt.
copper hawk
no, the cave is on the coast
copper hawk
The Lake is a sentient entity with souls, a forrest, and cubes floating around, a floating pile of dirt isn't the weirdest thing here XD
rustic coral
more evidence of the cave-paradise connection
shy pecan
Whoa! Awesome!
shy pecan
Yas!
copper hawk
oh ok
shy pecan
From the hail level
copper hawk
sweet
rustic coral
one last thing from my ig account
proof that Paradox is after the cave and before seasons1981
shy pecan
butt 😏
copper hawk
Ow~ 😏
Butt yeah, there is a 4th symbol
and only 3 cubes given
but 4 cubes total in the games
I think
that the S cube is the white (because it's written in white)
the double 4 is the black (written in black)
and the @ is either the blue or gold, because it's not the same composition than the other two
knowing that the spiral symbol is a symbol of resurection in alchemy / dark magic
or something else
it depends on the orientation
yeah, either spirituality or reincarnation, depending on the orientation of the spiral
or the evolution of the universal cycle...
but it's... less interesting
OOOOH
I'm finding interesting stuff
rustic coral
what?
copper hawk
the "envelope" symbol, in alchemy, represents a crucible
in that orientation, the spiral means spirituality
I'm still searching the other two
the S could mean a solution, though I'm not sure
Ow well .-.
There is a symbol written "69" that means day XD
I'm dying
rustic coral
did you find the last symbol?
copper hawk
nope
the closest thing is sulphur, but it's... just not the same .-.
OH !
I THINK I HAVE IT
rustic coral
what is it?
copper hawk
Saturn / lead
every planet of the solar system is in connection with a metal, in alchemy
Sun / gold
Moon / silver
Mercury / quicksilver (mercury...)
Saturn / lead
...
also, gold and silver represents spirit and soul, while the copper is the body (if I remember correctly)
witch is why we need the 3 timepieces made out of gold, silver and copper for William to be reborn
rustic coral
right
copper hawk
It's not just an olympic fashion x)
rustic coral
lol
copper hawk
Ok, I think I know how the film and game will interact, and why it's called "Paradox"...
Sweet sweet alternate universes~
colliding and interacting via the window connecting those two worlds : the television
And it's a great way to make the multiple medias work together without the feeling of loosing the original idea
rustic coral
@copper hawk you are onto something
copper hawk
I mean, we know it's the same room, we know from the timeline that you play Dale in the game, and for the live action Dale to say "Who are you" to the player, it has to be a parallel universe, and the two Dales will help each other with one solving a puzzle unlocking something for the other.
copper hawk
and that way, you can start with one or the other without having any spoiler because the puzzles will be different, and you don't know what they unlock for the other
I think the most immersive way to do it is to see the film and play the game at the same time (with pauses to stay in sync)
rustic coral
they can add so many easter eggs in this game
yes
if that's the case...
watching on TV the movie and playing on the laptop would be the best way to play
i don't if you remember but they said that the game will have multiple endings
I am excited for that as well
copper hawk
Oooow~
wait
if that's the case, will it be an interactive movie ?
or will the choices be after the interactions with the other Dale ?
rustic coral
i dont knowmaybe there will be hidden clues
copper hawk
or maybe you make insignificant choices during the game that unlock an ending after the interactions
rustic coral
or clues from previous games like Paradise
copper hawk
Ow, yeah, like in The Lake / Seasons
btw, can someone explain how the alternative endings of The Lake play in the timeline ?
it's a bit confusing...
And for the guy in the cabin to know the combination, it has to be someone that knows Laura, if not Laura herself
rustic coral
yeah...
rustic coral
who do we play as in The Lake?
copper hawk
That's what I'm trying to know
with the fact that the code comes from Seasons
is it...
is it possible...
that we play as Bob ?..
rustic coral
what's the date ?
copper hawk
that in the bad ending, the original ending, he is possessed by a corrupted soul that then kills Laura
rustic coral
Bob went to look for Laura
copper hawk
The Lake, there is no official date
copper hawk
but considering that it's before Harvey's Box
no, it's the second
it was released after Seasons
copper hawk
there is something quite...
interesting with the intro of The Lake
it's in broken english
rustic coral
what?
rustic coral
lol
copper hawk
but it means the character we play as isn't good at english
winter sigil
Do you played all games available?
rustic coral
that might be just a simple mistake
copper hawk
I don't think so, considering that there are no mistakes like this in Seasons or even Samsara room
It was intentional
rustic coral
don't forget English is not their first language
copper hawk
yes, but there are some dialogues in seasons and Samsara room, and there is NO MISTAKES
rustic coral
ok
copper hawk
and even then, in every other later games there are no mistakes
(at least not in english)
(there are in programation and level design, but that's another thing x))
rustic coral
but they are humans... 2 humans ... that might make mistakes
copper hawk
yes, but think about it
they are 2
and in 14 games, they made grammatical mistakes in only one game
manic glade
Really? I swear I’ve seen them make grammatical mistakes in a few places
manic glade
Also I thought that you were Laura in the lake
copper hawk
there are no proof of who you are except that you know the code from Laura's memories
and that you found the existence of the cabin
so not a local
either Laura, Dale or Bob
but not Dale since he visited the Rusty Lake for the first time in Case 23
so Laura or Bob
and... I don't think Laura could have died before she was murdered
manic glade
copper hawk
and it's 1969 confirmed
manic glade
The wiki is a surprisingly helpful place sometimes 😛
copper hawk
Oooh, I know
It's the memory of Bob's interrogation by Dale that was at the bar of a mini theatre...
that explains why he is the centre of it without any clue why, and despite him doing absolutely nothing
yeah, that makes sense
rustic coral
I think Theatre is just all in Dale's mind
copper hawk
no, it's a memory
manic glade
Or at least based on one
copper hawk
a memory that was... hugely modified by the Lake
but the part when he interrogates Bob about Laura is the original memory
rustic coral
but Bob didnt die
copper hawk
since it's right after Laura's murder and right before Bob being detained by Dale
he didn't die
he tried to
rustic coral
he shot himself