Do you really want to discuss that?
#š¤ļ½theories
shy pecan
No, but not because it's not interesting. It's because I'm a gamer, not a geologist.
cold siren
It would develope the theories better, instead of doubting what people already discussed
If everytime someone came up with a different theory we discuss it, we would be stuck forever in the beggining
shy pecan
And let's face it, the Samsara Wheel theory isn't water tight.
tawdry fulcrum
but not everyone know that base. and if this person show us their theory don't just say them, they are wrong. Told them this base
cold siren
But thats why you research first!
tawdry fulcrum
maybe you can learn something from them, too
it is allway possible, that you just oversee something
cold siren
Thats why you study physics to discuss physics, study geology to discuss geology and should study the game before you discuss the game!
shy pecan
But I don't mind being at the beginning with people. I love hearing them excitedly tell me what they think is going on.
tawdry fulcrum
^
shy pecan
Thing is those are all professions. This is a hobby.
cold siren
Yeah, I'm more like, if you have a theory and have proof that disproves the other theories, then we can discuss new theories
tawdry fulcrum
not everyone spent days in one game to see every pixel
cold siren
But some people do! And we should learn from them
Not want to disprove them with make believe theories
tawdry fulcrum
but we don't know about that other theory, why we cant discuss then?
shy pecan
So...we can't create make believe theories about a make believe place?
tawdry fulcrum
so you only can discuss theories, if you spent days in analyzing the games?
shy pecan
And here's another thing, what if the dev's made a mistake somewhere? What if they added or omitted a detail they thought was inconsequential that we notice and dwell over?
cold siren
No, you dont need to spend days analyzing other things, but people who already did have better answers than you and you can learn from them reading texts that takes little to no time compared to the time they spent
tawdry fulcrum
but if you don't know about that texts you can't lern from them
cold siren
So read them!
tawdry fulcrum
but until now i didn't know there were texts about it
shy pecan
Funny you should mention the previous texts because that's also where you can see me and another person talking about the Buddhist themes of the game like two weeks ago.
tawdry fulcrum
so all my theories are crap, because i didn't know this texts?
cold siren
Argumentum ad novitatem
tawdry fulcrum
you can't assume everyone knows all the texts
and even if those texts have to be correct
cold siren
Everything discussed are fallacies that you want to be true for the sake of your ego
You just want to be special for your theory, even if its false
tawdry fulcrum
wow, thats rude
cold siren
And I'm not really in the mood to continue to explain why they are fallacies and thats also why I stopped talking here
Rude, but true
shy pecan
Um...you're still talking
cold siren
#flatearthisreal
tawdry fulcrum
i can accept, that my theories are wrong, if you prove, that they are wrong
but you don't do that
the only thing you said is, that they are wrong
no reasons why, no prove
you only said something like "a other theory says a other thing"
shy pecan
@cold siren Okay, I've been giving you a lot of pushback. I have an idea. Would you like to talk about what you'd like to know about the story? Do you have any burning questions that haven't yet been answered by the games?
tawdry fulcrum
how schould i believe you, if you didn't say why i should believe you?
shy pecan
Not that I could actually answer them for you.
vague imp
The main problem is that many theories are built by players (usually children) who have not been very attentive to the games, but want to build a their own theorys. This discussion is meaningless for those who know the Rusty Lake Universe well. The best ideas are born in solitude.
"fallacy that you want to be true for the sake of your ego" - that can be said about any theory imo
lets just
be polite to each other
tawdry fulcrum
^please
shy pecan
huffs Okay, mom.
jk
So, one thing that has been on my mind lately is to what extent did Dale deal with his past?
Like, does he have a timeline where he's orphaned at the age of 9, revisits that pivotal moment, and suddenly had a completely different childhood?
dim edge
Thanks Radium, think polite is right way to go for discussions on this channel and server š if someone (new or long time fan) have new theories or questions about old, more established theories, then please just provide links and more info.
placid tulip
Hi...
I once had a theory quite some time ago, when I first got hooked to the series
It's kinda short and simple tbh: https://m.facebook.com/groups/141549822879492?view=permalink&id=236652136702593
Then the inspiration decreased over time š¢
No new theory since that time...
wait, perhaps the 2 rabbits used to be partners, then the brown killed the white one, who is the main performer
....
nah
shy pecan
Well that's kinda interesting in that it asks why there is a white rabbit in a black cloak outside of the window while you could see the brown rabbit alive. I do however have some problems with the evidence here like saying he's not a ninja. After all, it is very possible that corrupted souls are not confined to follow the corporeal restrictions of time and space.
round hare
Hey @cold siren could you please link me to some of the theories you were referring to? (beyond the reddit stuff I already saw that)
vague imp
Can developers explain who is Jimmy Vandermeer (from Rusty Lake: Roots)? Perhaps he is Daleās son.
vague imp
I don't remember seeing that either :ooo
He was not in the game. This image from game files.
round hare
Oh
vague imp
What's game files?
vague imp
could also be a nephw?
nephew*
or something..
but it could be a hint like for a future game, just a file placed ingame for a hint i mean ya know?
gritty arrow
Wait so is Jimmy like a secret level in roots?
rough nymph
Whoops, gotta remember to check game files now
shy pecan
Which game file is it?
digital fulcrum
It's a sprite, my decompile shows it as Sprite7367.
Nothing excited in the actual generation, frame(Shape), name(text), date(text).
In terms of code I can't find anything juicy except that sometimes buttons are referred as Buttons and sometimes as Knoppen (which is Buttons in Dutch, yipee).
shy pecan
Hehehe, WOW! Now I'm more impressed with the length you had to go to to find this. Way to go.
searches facebook for a Jimmy Vandermeer
tawdry fulcrum
Maybe they yust forgott it in there and itās not a hint for a future game?
fresh badger
but still, who is this jimmy?
if they put it there, he surely must be someone relevant
tawdry fulcrum
maybe they planned calling a charakter Jimmy but then they decided to pick another name
a name of a charakter, who is in the game
vague imp
There was no Vandermeers in the game. Most likely, it's an Easter egg, like the date of Dale Vandermeer's birth.
digital fulcrum
Let me add fuel to fire.
The sprite name, introMC is not the first instance.
Here's introMC from Rusty Lake Hotel:
As you can see, it's all the intro messages compressed into one sprite, with each frame being more or less unique(Days 1-4, 2-5 share a frame).
vague imp
The matter is that the background from RLH is used. Unnecessary files from old games are often found there.
vague imp
the rusty lake crew arent the kind to just completely leave in a file with the wrong characters name are they?
vague imp
Lol. I just thought that we, discussing this here, will achieve that the developers will clear the new game from needless files. It will be bad.
vague imp
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vague imp
There are some teasers I found
http://blog.rustylake.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/rusty-lake-paradise-fog.png
http://blog.rustylake.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/rusty-lake-paradise-fog2.png
carmine patio
sudden realization those are legs
strong finch
wait a minute, is it just me or that eye next to that building has an eye?
rough nymph
The tree? It may just be a treehole, but you never know
carmine patio
no that's an eye
round hare
Spoopy
shadow stump
I'm coming back on a theory I had with some other people about the location of Rusty lake. To make it short, the lake would have been somewhere in UK because of the uniform Leonard was wearing in WW1 in "roots". It was a British uniform. Also, still in roots, you could find a newspaper called "daily herald", which was a real UK newspaper that published during WW1. It's basically it.
thin elk
Yeah, but Vanderboom doesn't seem like an english name. considering it's a mush of three dutch words
shadow stump
Here is what I bring new: First, there's a real lake called "Rusty lake" in Ontario, Canada (thx google map). Canadian soldiers had the same uniform than UK soldiers. Also, during WW1, in Canada, another newspaper was called daily herald that first published in Saskatchewan but the company was bought around 1908-1909 by a man living in Ontario. I think rusty lake might be in Canada.
@thin elk There was some immigration before WW1 in Canada. Maybe the Vanderboom are immigrants.
thin elk
That does make sense, although an immigrant family having a house on their own doesn't really make sense to me
shadow stump
Yeah... maybe. But if you look at the lake on google maps, it looks to be in the middle of nowhere. If an immigrant family would like to have his own house, it would probably be the best place.
shadow stump
Just to make it clear, the canadian "Daily Herald" was call "Prince Albert daily herald"
placid tulip
Holy bird shit!
I just hope the devs would come here and be like:
Ooh, that's good stuff you got there, we shall take it š
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honest magnet
but anyway I am currently going off the theory that this is the island the hotel was built on
so if that is an elevator then that kinda ties things together
shy pecan
It's in the right place for it.
Okay, jeez, so this is in no way trying to steal the series away from the other religious themes, but the idea of there being plagues, especially biblical plagues, reminds me of bible themes.
Where in Exodus, the book with the plagues in it, also features animal sacrifice for redemption which was actually just pointing ahead to the time when the real lamb of God would be sacrificed.
That's the biblical story. You don't have to believe it.
So seeing the people with the masks on makes me think they are sacrifices to appease the lake, make the plagues go away, but ultimately pointing forward to when another sacrifice would have to be made.
Death that would cease the hostility between the lake and its inhabitents
And mister owl is the lake's prophet
That's all
shy pecan
In RL Hotel mister owl says he has his reasons for having them stay. I think it's very likely we'll find out about those reasons in Paradise.
distant mirage
that's not bad, i like it
it does sound like the kind of thing they pick up and do
distant mirage
i'm pretty much just chilling until it comes out
when i play, my wee wrinkled brain will be buzzing with interpretations and suppositions and omgs
shy pecan
Hmmm, maybe there should be a seperate chat for paradise for a while, for avoiding spoilers while still allowing people who have played the game to talk about it.
I mean, after it comes out
swift kindle
yeah that would be nice š
maybe try posting it in "suggestions"? š
shy pecan
Oh yeah. See, you're smart.
swift kindle
actually i'm really not xD
distant mirage
i'm kind of surprised there isn't a pin on this channel saying something like, this channel may have spoilers about new content
vague imp
oh shit
I never really made the connection to religion beyond the most obvious stuff but fuck
If that's the thread it's going in then it really might be the lakes origin story, like maybe someone got killed in the lake and since there's no way to separate the good& bad memories the lake is malfunctioning because of all the bad memories in it
you might have to continue sacrificing people for the brief respite that the good memories provide and then the cycle would start over again with the bad memories from the person you sacrificed
distant mirage
"paradise" is a pretty strongly religious term
e.g. dante's paradiso
milton's paradise lost, etc.
vague imp
yea I got like that stuff& the basic eden/sin stuff but damn
shy pecan
Having to continually sacrifice people suggests a cycle and would fit in with the Samsara wheel. Doing it to maintain balance, and correct me if I'm wrong, is more Taoist?
Not that labels matter I guess. It's an entirely different universe where all of these things could be the truth.
vague imp
wheels have been a hugely reoccurring theme in general plus the whole theme of death and rebirth that's been used repeatedly, that's definitely a good point
shadow stump
I m pretty sure that everybody knew that, but just in case
Someone has an idea
*?
shadow stump
Yes, he did, but how did she knew at that moment?
rancid niche
Cause she was posessed by the spirit right
shadow stump
Wasnāt the spirit just talking to her through the ouija board?
distant mirage
i think the basic concept is "rose is weird and therefore knows stuff through weird ways"
i didn't think she was possessed, more like just psychic herself
shadow stump
I still think that there s another meaning to what she says, because if you want her to say that, it s through an easter egg
distant mirage
what other meaning?
shadow stump
I donāt know, maybe Rose is more than Albertās daughter?
distant mirage
what more would she be?
that's already pretty weird, just considering how bizarre albert is and how weird her conception was
shadow stump
Yeah...
But still, wouldnāt it be weird if an easter egg had no other use than making her say something that has no importance?
distant mirage
the world of gaming is pretty full of easter eggs that are just little extra fun things
and it does confirm that she knows the whole arc she's involved in, with the tree and resurrecting her great-grandfather, and that she even knows that her daughter is at the center of that
which is not nothing
shadow stump
Good point
shy pecan
Rose is interesting. At a young age she made that prediction. Do you suppose she somehow had knowledge of the future?
shadow stump
Thatās something like that I was thinking. Or maybe itās not her first life? Maybe she had past life(s)?
round hare
Ooh
I thought it was because she was somehow psychic/a medium
But that could also be true
strong finch
Rose is Albert's daughter
But he used Ida's egg, and Ida used tarot cards to somehow predict the future
shy pecan
Ooh, that's a great point.
I never thought about Laura being a direct descendent of Ida before.
exotic rock
SPOILER
Wait... did the guy just turned into Mr Owl? Or am I misunderstaning something?
vague imp
Cave?
twin drift
Paradise
little garnet
@exotic rock Yeah it seems that Paradise is the origin story of Mr. Owl
twin drift
But doesn't someone become Mr. owl in the cave after drinking the elixir?
Or am I thinking of Roots
Might be thinking of roots.
little garnet
In the cave, that's just Mr. Owl transforming into his owl form, they can transform back and forth
And in Roots, that's Aldous transforming into his crow form
strong finch
Mr Owl exists before the beginning of Roots
exotic rock
@little garnet Thanks! ^^
clever ridge
i honestly don't remember all the characters appeared in this game, maybe i should re-play all games againš
fossil socket
Is it just me or do I have the feeling Dale is a descendant of the Eilander family?
fossil socket
I mean, Paradise is the same island as the hotel, right?
So, I assume that either Laura or Dale is a descendant of the Eilander family
Knowing this franchise, there are ties somewhere between the premium games
torn seal
I was thinking that the connection was that hotel is the same island? And @fossil socket Laura is the baby in the end of roots i thought? She's one of the vanderbooms.
fossil socket
Yes.
round hare
But aside from investigating her death, what does Dale have to do with anything?
There must be some kind of connection
fossil socket
Indeed. If you look at his birthday, Mr Rabbit didn't go there for no reason. Dale has a connection to the lake, somehow
round hare
Mr. Owl called him the chosen one in previous games
So the lake chose Dale the same way it chose Jakob in paradise
The question is why Dale
fossil socket
Indeed
twin drift
I thought maybe Dale is baby William all grown up?
Do we know what Rose did with the baby?
vague imp
Isn't the baby Laura Vanderboom :o
twin drift
I thought the baby was William re-born?
vague imp
Yup reborn as Laura I think
twin drift
I mean... Wouldn't the baby be a boy though?
shy pecan
It makes you wonder if that qualifies as being trans or if souls are without gender.
twin drift
Given the era (sadly) I doubt William would uave been openly trans, i guess souls don't have gender, it is noteable that no matter whose corrupted soul it is the soul is androgenous.
twin drift
Okay so actually I've noted another thing that appears to be a gender switch, Harvey, the wiki says Harvey is a girl but anthropomorphic Harvey looks like a male.
Also I'm wondering if not all the animals are human>animal but some are animal>human, as far as we know no one else has turned completely in to their animal Harvey is the only one who is ever actually a parrot and we know from roots animals can take the elixr and become immortal, so I wonder is Harvey is actually a parrot (maybe also would explain why they're not called Mister/Mrs Parrot)
round hare
Harvey is transgender
And itās true, we havenāt seen Harveyās human form yet, so maybe he started out as a parrot
I really want an origin story for Harvey
twin drift
Harvey is a unisex name
round hare
Is it?
twin drift
I believe so?
round hare
Oh I didnāt know that
Ok everything I looked up says itās unisex but slightly leaning toward male
twin drift
Yeah same, I love it as a girls name though!
Sounds like the main character of an adventure story.
Either way though I hope Harvey get more development, would be cool if they were trans.
round hare
Harvey making a cameo for 5 seconds in Paradise healed me
twin drift
Yeah, given how long Harvey appears to have lived I'd say they're immortal.
round hare
But that means even Caroline/Jakob werenāt the first to make the elixir
How did Harvey get it
I need to knowwww
twin drift
Well Harvey wasn't necessarily immortal in Paradise.
round hare
Oh yeah
twin drift
Could have got it the same way the dog got it.
twin drift
Yeah, is that a rule that two people always have to take the elixr and one of them dies?
round hare
Yes thatās why itās called the elixir of life AND death
twin drift
Idk why he took the elixr once he saw the Dog wasn't dead lmao XD
round hare
Iām still confused as to why William reincarnated as Laura
Was he trying to get a second shot at making the elixir?
twin drift
It was Aldous who arranged for him to be ressurected though, I felt like William was just doing what he was told.
round hare
Did Laura ever interact with Mr. Crow though
twin drift
Over the phone
round hare
Ohhh
twin drift
I think
round hare
Yeah youāre right
twin drift
It's inplied she did.
round hare
āAll that you touch you changeā
āNew phone who disā
strong finch
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vague imp
I've replayed the series like 3 times and I still have the most basic idea in the world of what's going on
the story from what I can tell (including rusty lake paradise)
The lake has been around for a while, at least over a hundred years going by the dates in cube escape. it requires sacrifices or else it unleashes plagues on paradise/rusty lake hotel. It also seems to influence people into discovering the elixir but the current elixer must be repeatedly drunk so it isn't the 'true' elixir Mr crow and Mr owl are looking for.
the eilanders had all been given the elixir and their lake mandated fursonas but Mr owl hired Harvey from...somewhere and got them all to eat each other and turned them into corrupted souls, who then broke out nd forced Harvey to become an immortal parrot.
twin drift
I don't see how all the Eilanders could have been given the Elixr since for each person who gains immortality someone else dies.
vague imp
the Vanderbooms have spent 4 generations trying to ressurect a crusty old dude they've never met and then succeeded in creating a vessel (laura) who was then...killed by said crusty old dude and had her memories fed to the lake??
I don't think it's an equal exchange because the dog and Mr crow gained immortality and only William was corrupted, it does seem like some kind of chance though
but dale came to investigate and he was captured and given to the lake with the lake or Mr. owl changing his bad memories to good ones so he doesnt become corrupted
twin drift
No William died for Aldous to get immortality and the first guy in Roots who I forget the name of gave the Elixr to the dog to test its saftey then drank it himself not knowing about the equal exchabge.
vague imp
and now Mr crow created the gold cube which is probably part of the final elixer
oh yeah you're right
wait then the eilanders got their immortality directly from the lake?
because they were all in immortal forms for a while
round hare
elixir = fursona juice is exactly what I was thinking š
twin drift
I don't think the people in hotel are the Eilanders, the way the Eilanders wore the masks made it sewm more symbolic and worshipful.
They're personalities don't really match up save Mister Boar.
vague imp
if u want immortality u gotta pay the price (living in a fursuit forever)
im confused then because they did all seem to have drunk the elixer before they came to rusty lake
could they be the Vanderbooms somehow?
twin drift
The guests at Hotel certainly did but they're not the Eilanders. We've seen Miss Partridge in hwr human form even it's not the sister.
In theatre I beleive.
distant mirage
why the corrupted soul, who afaik is william, kills laura, who afaik is also william, reincarnated, is the biggest wtf in the story for me
twin drift
How do we know the corrupted soul is William?
distant mirage
somewhere, we found out that the elixir that made aldous into mr crow killed william and made him into the corrupted soul -- maybe roots or the cave, i think
twin drift
I remember Ailliam dying I don't remember him being corrupted though.
distant mirage
most the other things i don't understand i'm pretty cool with, because they mostly come down to details about how the elixir works or backstory things like where harvey initially came from, and although i'd like to fill in those blanks, they don't just totally stump me
i'd have to replay to find the place where that's indicated, but i'm 95% sure i'm right about it
round hare
I agree, I donāt get why Laura is killed
And William does get corrupted in Roots I believe
twin drift
Okay I read the wiki, I didn't realise in roots you plau as the corrupted soul but the wiki ends it at hin being reborn as Laura, William isn't the soul that killed Laura.
round hare
But doesnāt Laura go back in time to kill herself or something
distant mirage
he's both, that's what i find mystifying
round hare
Idk actually whatās going on at any point
twin drift
The wiki says nothing about him being both or killing Laura.
distant mirage
i actually don't even mind him being both the corrupted soul and laura -- even that, i can go, all right, this is the world
distant mirage
the corrupted soul kills laura in seasons, that's definite, and i think we're supposed to take the one humanoid/non-animallish corrupted soul as the same entity throughout the games
twin drift
I disagree, unless wehave some major time travel shenanigans I think it's a different person.
distant mirage
wait, why would there need to be time travel?
round hare
Seasons does involve time travel though??
twin drift
Yeah the entire plot of Seasons is time travel shenanigans as is Birthday. But I think people can only travel back to past memories.
distant mirage
but why would william being both the corrupted soul and laura necessitate time travel?
unless i'm missing something, that's the kind of thing i'm happy to just hand-wave off as "yes, because weirdness"
incomprehensible character decisions/motivations trip me up a lot more
twin drift
Cos if he's both that's requiring him to be in two places at once, Laura has his soul she is him ressurected, so unless there was timetravel how would his also corrupted soul be there? This seem like to big a plot point to wave off with weirdness. Arming a bear trap with worm and having it catch a fish in the middle of the garden is weirdness, this is the plot.
distant mirage
yeah none of that bothers me
as soon as we have an elixir that always kills one person and makes another person immortal (dogs are people too), i'm pretty ok with any bending of metaphysics
and time travel generally -- if i can get on board with that, there's not much as far as constructing a magical reality that will really bug me
stuff i'd like to know because it's interesting, but not stuff that feels incomprehensible
i watched the movie Looper with a couple friends a while back, and one of them immediately launched into an enthusiastic conversation with me about how awesome it was, and the other was like, "but -- if he shot himself, he couldn't be there to shoot himself"
looking too closely at that side of logic in time travel stories, or clearly weird, twin-peaks-inflected stories, time travel or not, can just ruin them for you
and i like rustly lake, so to keep liking it, i'm more than willing to let it set up any weird rules of reality it wants
twin drift
Nah it makes sense for him to still exist if he shot himself since it would just create an alternate timeline, he's from the timeline where he didn't get shot so he's all G. I haven't seen the movie but that makes sense from what you said.
distant mirage
the plot hangs on it being one timeline, unfortunately
and it's really good, see it, definitely one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time
although maybe wait a few months now that i gave away the big ending moment
twin drift
Besides that seems like a hole I'd be willing to look over. The same person being in two places at once for no reason other than to drive the story isn't, plus I don't feel like the creators of Rusty Lake would do something as sloppy as that.
distant mirage
i don't know that there's anything sloppy about it
it's just something they haven't yet explained
twin drift
Exactly
distant mirage
if it never gets explained, that would probably be a mistake, but i'm operating on the notion that there's something there
twin drift
That's what I've been saying.
gentle parcel
We know very little about Laura. The deciding question is to what extent was she aware of her past life as William?
Also, who killed her? Was she a sacrifice to the lake or did someone have unfinished business with her or William or was it both?
twin drift
All we know is a corrupted soul killed her.
gentle parcel
Yes, but whose is the question
gentle parcel
Speaking of who kills whom and why, if the Eilanders from Paradise really are the hotel guests (and that's a pretty big if), that gives Mr Owl a pretty decent motive for wanting them dead
After all, they killed his mother and him
twin drift
We've seen the woman beleived to be Ms Pheasant in Theatre, and it's not the sister from Paradise. Furthermore there are character profiles for all the guests in Hotel and they are all born at least 50 years after Paradise.
gentle parcel
Well, we've seen the actress portraying her. I'm still not too sure what to make of Theatre. And we all know time has little meaning in this series.
I'm not saying they are the hotel guests, but it's something to consider. This constellation can't have been coincidental.
Maybe the hotel guests are the Eilanders reborn.
shy pecan
Yeah, I have trouble with the corrupted soul with what it is and how it killed Laura.
It might be that there are two entities in her body. The devs are fans of Twin Peaks, and there's a character like that in it.
Though I'm generally not thrilled to have to reverence outside media.
gentle parcel
Without being familiar with Twin Peaks, I had the same impression about Laura
It'd make sense too, because she's William reborn, but she's also very much her own person
humble wagon
Damn now i wanna watch Twin Peaks
shy pecan
I wish there was something like the diary of Laura Vanderboom.
twin drift
I thought Twin Peaks was a game?
distant mirage
it was a tv series, orginally in 1990-91, revived last year
mystic star
It is on another streaming service, yikes don't wanna subscribe to a third one xD
strong finch
we have cookies
mystic star
So now there are no cookiesš¬
fresh badger
yes but do you have coffee
twin drift
I don't think he meant the edible kind of cookies
mystic star
Sad
strong finch
Are you saying my cookies aren't quality ones?
twin drift
I assumed you meant internet cookies that get put on your computer when you downlaod stuff to monitor your browsing habits.
mystic star
But how do you suppose that lures people to the dark side
strong finch
They are tasty
mystic star
That just gives me a general google search x)
distant mirage
It should be an images search for images, e.g. t-shirts, posters, etc., with the phrase
mystic star
Oh I thought I was looking at one about computer cookies yeah I know about this one
distant mirage
Yeah, the link was really for people who didn't recognize the line, not for people who do ;)
mystic star
Yeah, and the dark side got me a long time ago already š
vague imp
wowowow, that end was soo fast, so i think im gonna read this whole chat
round hare
Why would you subject yourself to that
vague imp
okay, thats too much
round hare
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vague imp
so the island is hotel
the player, what happens to him?
he bruns
burns*
is he dead?
round hare
No
vague imp
okay
vague imp
is laura an animal?
distant mirage
transformed into mr owl, i think -- he's not reborn, like william is
it's more like the transofrmation of aldous into mr crow
humble wagon
Yeah that's more accurate
round hare
Lauraās just human
vague imp
so your family are the hotel guests
humble wagon
No she is just William's reincarnation
round hare
Possibly, it was unclear
humble wagon
Aaa maybe. We actually don't know there isn't any info about that
distant mirage
same set of animal associations
but we don't know exactly what the significance of that is
vague imp
they had these masks so they are the animals probably
or a refference
who is mr crow
round hare
Aldous Vanderboom
round hare
We donāt know
distant mirage
harvey is a MYSTERY
round hare
Yee
humble wagon
Yep
vague imp
i love rusty lake
uhm
i rly wanna know what the story is
btw gtg now
bye
one more question
Whats the scariest part in all the games
cube and premium
distant mirage
for me, the timed thing at the end of harvey's box where you have to. . . what is it, use fireflies on a corrupted soul, i think?
round hare
imo Mr. Rabbit jumpscare in the window in Birthday
vague imp
Mine in hotel, when you are at the rabbit, outside there is the black rabbit ghost thing
vague imp
gtg
humble wagon
For me was that fucking corrupted soul going after you
shy pecan
Scariest for me was in seasons when you're looking at the moon and see Laura's throat being slashed. I still dread it when I play that one.
honest magnet
for me it's either being chased by the deer man at the end of Cse 23 or going up from the basement in The Mill and seeing all the damage the corrupted soul has done
vague imp
the deer spirit in case 23 is absolutely the scariest god
vague imp
Guys, first of all : SPOILER ALERT
At the end of Paradise you can get a secret Owl mask, you can give it to your mother, it's an achievement, does this means that your mother is Mr. Owl?
Can this be true or am i just stupid
azure sluice
I think its one of his Reincarnation
vague imp
Yeah
azure sluice
But he supposed to live forever. So maybe its before the elixr .
vague imp
Possible
distant mirage
The mother's memories show that she sent you away to keep you safe so the rest of the family wouldn't sacrifice you; instead, they sacrifice her
You then return to the island, and in bringing her memories together, you create the elixir
Your family sacrifices you, but instead of just being sacrificed, you turn into Mr Owl
distant mirage
No
vague imp
kk, is it on the wiki?
distant mirage
I don't know
vague imp
kk
distant mirage
I just figured that out from playing the game
strong finch
Was Jakob's mother reborn, too?
distant mirage
My thought is no -- she seems to become a corrupted soul, based on her appearances on the island
I don't know of any later characters that seem to resemble her in any way, but you never know
Maybe she's Harvey <3
strong finch
Hm, but Harvey already appears before Jakob dies
Also, is Jakob the voice that says "The x Plague, x?
Dang
distant mirage
Oh, she does, you're right, the mom can't be Harvey
I'm joking about that, anyway, although it would have been cute
strong finch
Yeah
strong finch
But if Jakob's the man who says "The X Plague, X", his voice seems to transform into Mr. Owl's voice the more you progress into the game
distant mirage
I didn't notice a change in voice
I thought the plague announcements were voiced by the same actor as Mr Owl, I just hadn't thought about the ramifications
The accent might be different, not sure
twin drift
Yeah I got the impression they have a man and a woman who do all the human voices.
white beacon
no i don't think there's a woman
think it's jst bob rafferty
*just
the eilander women definitely sounded like they were voiced by men
shy pecan
Yeah, like Monty Python.
dim edge
Yes it was all Bob Rafferty, except for the Corrupted Soul (Maarten did this).
strong finch
The corrupted souls have some sort of French accent
I guess we now know where people go when they die
round hare
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humble wagon
Do y'all have a favourite music track in Rusty Lake? I think my favourite would be "Vanderboom Family Time"
shy pecan
My favorite is from theater. The slow horns and piano.
strong finch
Mine is the Main Roots Theme
shadow stump
I was thinking about that:
When a human become a human animal (as mister crow did), do you think the human chooses what animal he becomes or it s random?
rotund wing
i like to think that they dont really āchooseā their animal, their personality determines what animal they become
shadow stump
I just noticed that thereās a crow on mister crowās family emblem. Maybe itās related by a way or another?
rotund wing
possibly? maybe its more of āwhich animal is related to you moreā based on either family emblems/symbols or personality, or both ?
shadow stump
Maybe
Itās just that i feel like mister crow already knew that he would become a crow, which would explain why thereās a crow on the emblem
Still, I prefer the idea that the animal you become is determined by your personality
round hare
The elixir is fursona juice
round hare
Oh
copper hawk
Hello.
Even though I just arrived, I wanted to share with you some... Uh...
It's not really a theory because I have the answer...
And not a discovery because of the answer...
Well I'll just start...
I am a big fan of Rusty Lake and I was thinking
"This place is just too damn cool I hope it exists in real life."
So I made my researches.
You'd be surprised that there are 3 or 4 "Rusty Lake" lakes ins the world x)
But the one that caught my attention is Rusty Lake, Leaf Rapids, Manitoba, Canada.
You see, upon closer inspection, I found a place on that lake that has a similar map to what we see in the games.
(I'm just using a random image on google for this one :)
And this is the Lake I found :
If you rotate the map by 180Ā°, it's exactly the same
You even have "mountains" and hills in the same spots
carmine patio
That's neat
copper hawk
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL
The lake is near a little city named Leaf Rapids
This city is I think the village of little 9 yo Dale, and Laura (we know it's the same town because of the white flowered tree that we see in both Birthday and Case 23)
The layout of houses is similar to what we see in Birthday
As hinted by the drawing of little Dale, some houses have randomly black roofs
and an interesting little detail :
on the same drawing, the houses are... blue...
bu Laura's house is white
a childish choice ?
I don't think so
for the houses in Leaf Rapids are painted in a white coloured paint...
supposed to become blue with pollution
witch never happened because there is no pollution .-.
thin elk
So what you're saying is there's a whole town in Canada all of us needs to visit? :D
copper hawk
SADLY
I showed my discoveries to Rusty Lake...
And...
Um...
It's disappointing, to say the least...
carmine patio
what if that's what they want you to think lol
thin elk
Still more reasons to visit Canada.
copper hawk
Yeah, it's too coincidental to not be real
thin elk
Canada is a good country, hope I can get there someday
copper hawk
Btw, Leaf Rapids is now a ghost town
copper hawk
It's a little village that built itself in a anarchic manner in months because of mine exploitations, but they quickly emptied the place .-.
(mines ? A Cave perhaps ?)
thin elk
Someone needs to start a mental resort in there :D
copper hawk
They sure should x)
This is my biggest theory so far x)
and the more fleshed out
Now I have a question I hope you can answer...
WHY VAN GOGH ?!?
Why is he in EVERY
SINGLE GAME
Even in Paradise !
thin elk
Good question
copper hawk
Why does Arles exists ? Why is there a representation of Van Gogh in every game that came after it ? It just seems out of place, and yet I feel like there is a deeper meaning, something that wraps up the hole story and put the pieces together...
And yes, it's so weird that even in the Rusty Lake universe, it doesn't make any sense. It's that intense of a question XD
thin elk
My best bet is that he might be somehow connected to the whole story, whether it being through him becoming Bob in a new life or something like that
copper hawk
Bob... Uh... Bob...
Oh yeah, Bob, Laura's boyfriend, right ?
thin elk
Correct
copper hawk
He's just so ignored in the story .-.
yet he is the center of Theatre
Btw, Laura getting killed... Well ! So much of a successful reincarnation, right ?
It sure was worth slaughtering your descendents, William...
thin elk
Eh, they would die anyway, lel
I mean, c'mon, doesn't everyone die? Might as well get reborn while he's at it
copper hawk
Btw, I'm just thinking about the signification of the 10 sacrifices right now
(I have a huge time line with every event in every game were I can have a sense of datation, so I don't have to search too long)
The tongue of someone that drank the elixir
The tears of a loving mother
The eyes of the couple that saw the future
The teeth of... idk, he just needed teeth .-.
The amputated foot of a war hero
The brain of a psycho
The hair of someone that got abused
The blood of the future mother
And finally, the victim's heart
thin elk
Thong? I'm fairly certain you mean tongue
copper hawk
Yeah, english is not my native language...
thin elk
It's fine.
Neither is mine
It's just that thong is a very different thing than tongue :D
thin elk
Happens to the best of us c:
thin elk
Which one sacrificed teeth tho?
thin elk
Hm
copper hawk
The one that gave birth to Emma, Samuel and Albert
I mean, it's not like she eats a lot...
We hardly even see her .-.
Btw, wtf is it with weird births, in the game ?
Albert drinks wine as a baby ?
Emma gets impregnanted by flowers ?
ALBERT RIPS IDA IN HALF TO COLLECT HER EGGS AND IMPREGNANT THEM IN VITRO WITH HIS SPERM IN A WEIRD MACHINERY ?!?
Even the rebirth of William makes more sense that the one of Rose .-.
thin elk
Someone needs to have the birds and the bees fish talk xD
thin elk
Just about everything, and we love it
copper hawk
That's... Very correct x)
Oh, and since I have that huge timeline, it's interesting to see that Arles takes place in 1888
Just between Masks (spring 1885) and The Clock (spring 1889)
So... Van Gogh is clearly not a Vanderboom...
At least not in the branch of the family we see
but he is about Emma, Samuel and Albert's age
Maybe a bit older
I even have the precise date of Arles
23 dec 1888
the day he cut his ear
thin elk
Uhm, you can track down when the three were born, and compare it to actual birthday of Van Gogh
copper hawk
he was 35
Childbirth was in...
1867
so they are about 21 during Arles
yeah...
Considering that Van Gogh is german, like the Vanderboom and Vandermeer, that Arles is in France and Rusty Lake most likely in Canada...
Oh, it's a mess
Oh, and Canada was invaded by France in 1534, so it holds up
even considering Paradise (1796)
thin elk
Van Gogh isn't german, he's dutch
thin elk
So are the Vanderboom and Vandermeer
thin elk
Well, we know that Van Gogh actually visited Arles
And Rusty Lake really doesn't have to be in Canada
copper hawk
Yeah, he pretty much painted every sunflowers, his chamber and his chopped off ear self portrait in Arles
thin elk
Exactly
copper hawk
And honestly, the only other "Rutsy Lake"s are not that likely to be the ones from the games .-.
Except if it's really just a big coincidence and they just imagined all of it
thin elk
Rusty Lake itself, judging by the last names of residents, is more likely to be in Netherlands
copper hawk
or if they took the Rusty Lake in Canada and put it who knows where
thin elk
That's probably what happened
I mean, c'mon, Rusty Lake uses hebrew as a part of their puzzles
thin elk
Crap, sorry, I mixed the two together
copper hawk
x)
thin elk
Yes, Hindi
copper hawk
There even is a word in... Lao... Laotien ?... La..... How is it called ? .-.
copper hawk
Laotian
It's Laotian
On the box in Birthday, there are two word, one in Hindi and one in Laotian
(They both mean ghost)
or something like that
ą¤Ŗą„ą¤°ą„ą¤¤ (pret) means "soul"
and ą»ąŗąŗ (phed) means "spirit which is unable to be reborn"
btw, I found out that someone actually translated every word in the games AFTER I did it myself, so... yeah
I had to search the language, how to wright it and what it meant XD
I love to suffer, apparently
ą¤¦ą„ą¤µ (dava) God (the cubes)
ą¤®ą¤¾ą¤Øą„ą¤· (maanush) Human
ą¤
ą¤øą„ą¤° (asur) Asura, surnatural being (angel/demon) (the human-animals hybrids)
ą¤¤ą¤æą¤°ą„ą¤Æą¤ą„ą¤Æą„ą¤Øą¤æ (tiryagyoni) Tiryagyoni, name of the buddhist animalās state
ą¤Øą¤°ą¤ (narak) Hell (blood forest)
ą¤Ŗą„ą¤°ą„ą¤¤ (pret) Ghost (souls)
ą»ąŗąŗ (phed) Spirit unable to reborn
in fact those six things ARE the buddhist 6 states of life
Paradise, humans, animals, souls, Asuras and hell
And the Lake... represents the 6 of them all at once
(Yes, the Lake is part sentient)
(Or at least the spirit of the Lake, or a being that lives in it)
(Yes, I did A LOT of research)
stray token
copper hawk
Oh, I'm doing a bit of research right now about the story of the elixir of life in alchemy
most of them are based on mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic materials...
So yeah, If they really did find it in Rusty Lake, it's no wonder why William and James died...
And interestingly enough, India did a lot of alchemy too
And some fundamental alchemy principles comes from buddhist texts...
That's REALLY interesting
copper hawk
Considering the other great principle of Rutsy Lake mythology is buddhist...
Now, how do we link all this...
To the 10 plagues of Egypt in Paradise ?...
x)
thin elk
There's only seven original plagues
thin elk
Seven Plagues of Egypt
copper hawk
no, there are 10 in the Bible x)
copper hawk
1 water becomes blood
2 frogs come from the sky
3 dust becomes mosquitos
4 flies from the nearby countries just hang around in just one of them
5 the death of the cows and other domestic animals
6 sickness
7 hail storms
8 grass hoppers
9 darkness
10 death of the first borns
hallow geode
Hail which becomes fire for some reasons
hallow geode
Yes
copper hawk
Solid oxygen is really easily flammable, i think it's because of that
Theoretically it's possible
You just have to get some serious pressure and low temperature up there
hallow geode
Tfw god has a PhD in chemistry
copper hawk
He INVENTED chemestry
hallow geode
But who invented god
hallow geode
š
copper hawk
Hey, in buddhism, humans invented themselves, so...
that's not the point
also
how did the soul of Caroline curse the island ?.......
THE MORE YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS, THE LESS IT MAKES SENSE
That's why I love those games
round hare
Where was Van Gogh in rusty lake paradise? :0
thin elk
I don't think it was Caroline who cursed the island, but rather her presence was protecting the island from whatever the hell the lake is
copper hawk
When Elizabeth cuts Gerald's ear
hallow geode
Or the elixir was the curse
thin elk
And when Caroline died, her presence was no longer there
Which meant that Lake can wreck stuff up
copper hawk
She gives him a hair cut...
And... She's blind...
So yeah...
And Rusty Lake don't make jokes
Everything has a signification...
And this ear cutting doesn't mean anything...
Except if you consider that since it takes place literally 57 years before Van Gogh was even born and that they ALWAYS put a reference to Van Gogh, so obviously they can't put a painting...
thin elk
Why would you even let your blind niece give you a haircut?
copper hawk
Do you really think that this pig is clever enough to think about that ?...
hallow geode
What if he was Vincent van derboom
copper hawk
I thought about it
hallow geode
Or idk the elixir seems to give you a different form ( mr owl / aldous vanderboom)
copper hawk
but he can't be from the same branch of the Vanderboom we see in Roots
During Arles, he is 35, ans the 3 siblings are 21
So he can't be Jame's son
copper hawk
No, Emma, Samuel and Albert
copper hawk
So
Maybe he is another descendant of William and... Crow... I always forget his real name...
But a third one
(yes, a third one, I think the Vandermeer are the descendant of..... Crow...)
Aldous
That's his name
copper hawk
uh .-.
hallow geode
Aldous is owl
copper hawk
Owl is Jakob Eilander
Crow is Aldous Vanderboom
Van Gogh is born in 1853, the dog becomes immortal in 1870, Arles takes place in 1888, and we find the dog again in The Cave in 1972
hallow geode
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copper hawk
So it's... unlikely .-.
hybrid elm
Aldous is crow yeah!
Also I always had a HC that the Vandermeer are defendant of a third sibling tbh
(Also y'all rmemebir dates and making connections I just now realized there was a Van Gogh reference in paradise.dllglsƱld)
copper hawk
I don't remember them
hallow geode
Maybe there is a lake in a van Gogh painting
hybrid elm
Van Gogh is Harvey (?
Also maybe?
copper hawk
I just made a time line precise to the month from 1796 to 1972 with EVERY ELEMENTS OF EVERY GAME YET
Except Samsara room
hybrid elm
That's amazing!!!!! I should do the same becsye my memory is....bad LMFAO
copper hawk
But I guess it's in the 1970's
hybrid elm
I thought samsara was not a part of the Cube Escape/RL series????
But I think it was in the 70's yeah
copper hawk
I'm planning to put on this timeline every important character, in what game they appear, and in witch of the 6 states of life they are
For now, I did the life of every Eilander
It's not part of the series per say...
But clearly, it's in the same universe
hybrid elm
Oh yeah it's definetly part of the series tho I never took it as like a part of it???? I rmeemebbe totally loving it tho, I ssjould replay it
copper hawk
I even got the Hotel / Birthday lore easter egg
hybrid elm
When paradise came out I played them all in a row in a day or two....
I haven't been the same since then (? Lmao
SamE!
hallow geode
What is it
hybrid elm
And you can use it in Birthday
copper hawk
the date when Hotel takes place
copper hawk
if you put it in the snow globe of the Hotel in Birthday
you get a new cinematic, that is what happens right after hotel
hybrid elm
I should replay birthday because I don't rmemmeb that ciinematic
sorry I'm on mobile and I Can't Type Without Typosā¢
copper hawk
What happens in it is, the souls of the Asuras (hybrids) escape, try to kill Owl and Harvey, but Harvey changes himself in a simple bird, (witch is permanent) and fly off not to get himself killed, while owl GTFO with Crow on a boat, and the souls just go to the bottom of the Lake
hallow geode
Permanent ?
copper hawk
I think Bat did the same as Harvey, since we see him as a simple bat in The Cave
hybrid elm
Ohhhh yqh I wasn't sure if that was shown in birthday or Hotel, thanks!!!
And yup
copper hawk
I mean, I think it's permanent, otherwise, he could've just become an Asura again and rip the box open with his height...
copper hawk
I think Harvey was born like this
hallow geode
Like the guests in Hotel?
copper hawk
The guests are the Eilander family
hybrid elm
Also I think Mr Rabbit isn't a Eilander
Since he doesn't match the guys rabbit mask AND there is two rabbits in the game
A white one and Mr Rabbit (that's a brown rabbit)
hallow geode
Mr rabbit wasn't the rabbit who killed the family of dale ?
hybrid elm
Yeah but again this colors..don't match? The one who killed SDales family is a white rsbbbut too
round hare
They can be the same if heās a snowshoe hare
Their fur turns white in winter
Birthday takes place in winter
hybrid elm
also when you check the "tanks" in Mr Owls room, the siluete matches the rabbit that appears in Mr Rabbits window more than Mr Rabbits siluete...if I Remember well??
TouchƩ
copper hawk
The guests are the Eilander family, that got killed by Caroline's curse, but brought back to life by the lake and turned into Asuras, just like Jakob become Owl.
But after their transformation they became different :
Nicholas was a religious fanatic, and became a scientist
David was down to earth and became a magician
Elizabeth was blind and so she didn't care about her appearance, she became an actress
The grandmother (I don't recall her name) was against all type of technology, she became an electrician searcher...
Only Gerald didn't change... He's still a big fat pig...
hallow geode
Eat shit gerald
hybrid elm
No yeah I'm joking!! Like, he ain't Fakeā¢ becsye he remained a pig while the rest "changed" lgldla sorry I joke too mucch
copper hawk
Gerald have more heart than he has brain...
And he doesn't have a heart .-. (figuratively and literally)
So changing personality ?!? No way
round hare
So did Mr. Owl spend a ton of money making an entire hotel just so he could get revenge on his family in a fashionable way
copper hawk
Yup
hybrid elm
Yeah
round hare
I love Mr. Owl
hybrid elm
Iconicā¢
copper hawk
Btw, if you finish Paradise 100%
You see owl in transparency, Paradise becomes the Hotel, and he says
"Our time has come, Paradise will rise again"
hybrid elm
YEAH!
copper hawk
He
literally
just invited his family
to their former island
to kill them
and make them eat one another
hybrid elm
"Hello come to my hotel that's totally not your past lifes home so I can totally not kill you"
round hare
Does he just like...close down the hotel afterward??
copper hawk
for vengeance to what they did to him and his mother
round hare
Do you think the Eilanders all took the elixir? Because they have animal forms, also they donāt seem very afraid of death during paradise
They seem resistant to death actually
copper hawk
@round hare
The reason why we can't go to the basement in hotel is because it's like in the Cabin... It's directly connected to the room in The Cave
hybrid elm
Yeah they all kinda...were technically dead at some point
round hare
Villain goals
hybrid elm
Also idk if they took the elixir per se but I guess their aparent inmortsily has smth to do with the whole "gotta sacrifice first born for...reasons...."
copper hawk
There is a reason
the prophecy
Owl VS Deer
One is the destroyer, the other one is the saviour
hybrid elm
TouchƩ! Im a dummie with no memory and that takes forever to make and rmmebred connections
copper hawk
they don't know witch one
but they think the Owl is the saviour
But I think it's the Deer
For one thing
A detail that appears in Paradise...
and is never used as a clue or a jumpscare
"The Owls are not what they seem"
round hare
Twin Peaks reference
copper hawk
x)
Plus, the thing is
Nicholas made sacrifices to save his family
Jakob and Carolin were selfish and vengeful
hybrid elm
Yup!
round hare
Smh Mr. Owl did nothing wrong in his life ever
hybrid elm
Tho Nicholas isn't good at all, he (or his soul) might be the saviour...
Dlkglsslfllslq
copper hawk
remember, their personality totally flipped
round hare
Anyone have predictions for whatās going to happen in paradox
Assuming it takes place after the cave
I feel like the title refers to the paradox of Lauraās own corrupted soul(?) killing her in seasons
hybrid elm
I....honestly have no idea of what could happen
copper hawk
I don't like predictions, after, either you're not impressed because you knew
or you're disappointed because it's not as good as you thought....
hybrid elm
Ohhhh yeahz also Laura seems to be a character in it? (Or did I read wrong?)
round hare
True
hybrid elm
Yeah true
hybrid elm
Is not a RL game without Harvey tbh
round hare
Harvey is the most mysterious character imo
hybrid elm
Yup, I would think it's after The Cave but witj RL you can't never know
Harvey is the real saviour (?
copper hawk
Harvey is one of the main reasons why I think the Vanderboom and Vandermeer are the same family
round hare
Why?
copper hawk
Harvey appears and it's written on the window that Dale was born today
hybrid elm
Yupyup
copper hawk
But why say this, about a Vandermeer, in a game about the Vaderboom
and how does Harvey know about Dale
round hare
Theyāre definitely connected
copper hawk
if the two families don't at least know each other ?
Plus, Dale's grandpa is... I mean, clearly... It's Aldous...
hybrid elm
I don't think its albous but he is clearly similar
Maybe another sibling of Aldous and william?
Or a cousin?
copper hawk
Just think about it...
If it really is Aldous...
then he had a daughter
that married a Vandermeer
and she gave birth to Dale
hybrid elm
!!!!
copper hawk
And we know that Aldous is pretty much immortal
hybrid elm
I gotta replay birthday to see if he is THAT similar to Aldous
copper hawk
so it's not a stretch on the timeline
no
he is not similar to Aldous
he is similar
to the mask of Mr.Crow
hybrid elm
Also Mr Owl and Me Crow can turn back to their Human versions. Both did it in theatre
copper hawk
in Case 23
copper hawk
At that time, he had enough elixir to stay an Asura
in Cave, he just ran out
(and in the mill, since we have a picture of the couple)
I also saw an interesting theory about Seasons
it is that the events of Seasons are just the memories of Laura, during the time when her body is corrupted in Mill
And she have to make peace with them
to let them go
hybrid elm
Ohhh gotta replay both case 23 and The Mill to see it again!
copper hawk
And i think that it's more likely than mine that was like "she was corrupted and so she killed herself, and her soul came back in time to kill the corruption, and her soul had a samsara to paradise"
hallow geode
Why would Jakob kill his family ?
hybrid elm
Also that was my HC of it tbh
copper hawk
I mean
if she's just reliving memories
the fact that she has a samsara at the end of the game is logical
(samsara : change of state of life)
hybrid elm
When I played The Mill it kinda made way more sense of it being she reviving her memories
Also, Liss, he did it for vengeance. They killed him and his mother.
Or at least that's the most logic motive
copper hawk
(I'll not explain the 6 states of life again, just search for "hell" in the Ctrl+F)
hybrid elm
Maybe he did it for another reason but killing them and feeding them to each other seems...pure revenge
hybrid elm
Yup, but I think she is trying to make the elixir too?
copper hawk
like... 64 years later...
no, she's trying to make sense of the prophecy
She's trying to know who is the saviour, between the Owl and the Deer, and who is the saviour in her family
To see if there is a way to save her child
and if the fact that she sacrifices herself will be enough
but she didn't find out, so she tried anyway
copper hawk
yup
Idk, maybe they didn't know it worked with Jakob, so they all sacrificed each other ?
copper hawk
Because...
Because Caroline cursed the island, so the Lake wasn't as kind to revive her as it was with the rest of the family
hybrid elm
Maybe? And that's why they all became (you called them asuras?)
Or maybe that was the effect of the sacrifice itself
Yup
copper hawk
she purposefully cursed the island with the 10 plagues of Egypt to purge her family and kill them all
hybrid elm
Iconicā¢
hallow geode
She could put only 9 plagues ( i assume he died because he was Caroline firstborn)
hybrid elm
And becsye he was the first born?
copper hawk
Jakob was brought by the rest of the family because of the curse
hybrid elm
Yup
copper hawk
and she didn't kill him
The family did
hybrid elm
And Jakob was also the one that was gonna get sacrificed originally cause of the profecy
copper hawk
they were the 10th plague
hybrid elm
Mmhm, it wasn't her but the family itself.
copper hawk
they were so horrifying
hybrid elm
Jakob, watching his family set the thing on fire: should have left them with the frogs...(?
copper hawk
The day I get my Mr.Crow 24x36 poster, I use it as a huge Rusty Lake conspiracy board (with blue-tack... I wont pierce this beauty)
copper hawk
x)
Oh, did I mention that I was so into my researches about IRL Rusty Lake that I found out the house of little Dale ? XD
hybrid elm
Kdggks you did!!! I was backreading that a bit ago alfksla
copper hawk
Based on what we see in birthday