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#🤔｜theories
sly pelican
tawdry fulcrum
i haven't translated a whole text yet
sooooo i don't use an app
sly pelican
Well, I can speak English but speaking and writing are different.
General part of the language isn't always enough to write a story, you know.
I mean, I don't know much of the verbs.
tawdry fulcrum
i am better at writing than speaking ._.
vague imp
Dutch is better.
cold siren
Guys, I was just reading about the samsara wheel and in the theater game it makes really obvious that the game is about it (there are six paths on the samsara wheel and mr owl says exactly that)
tawdry fulcrum
whats a samsara wheel?
cold siren
Also, there's one path called naraka, where the person cleanses his karma... maybe thats what dale is going through! Because he cleanses the black cubes into white cubes, and its pretty obvious that the black cubes are negative karma
Maybe he's the one that killed the lady in the lake
tawdry fulcrum
i don't think he has killed the woman
he is the dedektiv in her case
cold siren
Samsara wheel is a buddhist belief that there are 6 paths in the afterlife
tawdry fulcrum
ah, ok
cold siren
He's the detective, but also he doesnt remember much
gritty arrow
But did Laura kill herself or was she murdered?
cold siren
So maybe he's dead too and the lake is the naraka path, where he is cleaning his karma to reincarnate
tawdry fulcrum
but iirc he forget his memories while he gets in the elevator
cold siren
I think laura was murdered, but I dont remember exactly
tawdry fulcrum
iirc she was stabed in the back
gritty arrow
I don't think they revealed it yet tho right?
tawdry fulcrum
we see her got stabed
gritty arrow
I remember in seasons, they imply the Laura takes a medicine called Prozac which is for depression so maybe she did kill herself? Or maybe it's a mix of both?
cold siren
But on theater you see her throat getting cut too
gritty arrow
I think it's all philosophical and less literal than that
cold siren
Just like you see on case 23
gritty arrow
Getting cut in the throats and stabbed in the back can be symbolic of things
cold siren
But she falls on the floor like on case 23
And the theater is "the theater of your mind"
gritty arrow
That could be a significant clue as to her mental struggles
tawdry fulcrum
but if she has murderd herself the investigations in her case wouldn't be that long as it is
gritty arrow
I think the reason it's long because it's a diffficult case in general
tawdry fulcrum
and Dale would have find clues leading hime to this curch
gritty arrow
The tv says "murder or suicide"
And the note in seasons say "I think I might do something terrible"
tawdry fulcrum
that is normal, if the case is unclear for a longer time
gritty arrow
Exactly. It's a hard case
tawdry fulcrum
yeah, but this note is in the time as Laura killed Harvey, the parrot
gritty arrow
For some reason I don't think she was referencing killing Harvey, I think that was a spontaneous desicion
Writing a note means planning and suicide includes planning
tawdry fulcrum
she had only a feeling
"I think I might"
and the outher notes also referenc spontane actions
gritty arrow
How?
"Can you boil havrveys eggs" that's planned
She's been thinking about it for a while
tawdry fulcrum
oh right, so nvm
vague imp
most of suicidal people dont think about their own suicide as "doing something terrible" so i think that was a reference to killing harvey or just a random thought
gritty arrow
I disagree with that
I was suicidal and I know many suicidal people because I was put in a psychiatric hospital
Many suicidal people view it as something terrible
gritty arrow
It depends on experience
tawdry fulcrum
so when yoi think it is terrible, why you want to to that?
vague imp
but people i knew thought about it as if its a way to make everyones lifes easier
tawdry fulcrum
yeah, but if you want to kill you, why do you think it is terrible?
vague imp
idk lmao i dont
gritty arrow
As I told you it's a symptom
vague imp
like yeah ill die, less of a burden to everyone
tawdry fulcrum
wanting to die is a symptom
but feeling terrible of doing it?
vague imp
there are different types of depression tho
gritty arrow
Lol we don't feel terrible but we agree that's it terrible
tawdry fulcrum
but the note says "I think I might do something terrible" so she thing it ist terrible, too
night forge
I won't allow myself to go on here untill I have finished all the games.
cold siren
Its better
Because I was looking through the internet and found out that laura is the reincarnation of william, brother of aldous
tawdry fulcrum
why that?
cold siren
I dont know, the internet said that lol
Its on the wikia
But theres not much explanation
tawdry fulcrum
so a just theory....
cold siren
Its on the end of the cave game
When william dies, becoming a corrupted soul and then reincarnates as her
I will finish the game to tell you better
vague imp
It's also in roots, isn't it?
tawdry fulcrum
Cave ends with extracting Dales and Lauras memories in a golden cube
cold siren
I just saw what happens
It clearly showed william drinking the elixir, dying, becoming a corrupted soul, becoming a tree, and then becoming laura
Thats a fact
Also, mr crow is aldous
tawdry fulcrum
https://youtu.be/ddD3FvvPsJI?t=1h18m30s here is a video of the last puzzel and william
at no point he drank the elixir or becoming a tree
yes, the woman (a forgot her name) has a baby, but it was never said, that this is Laura
tawdry fulcrum
https://youtu.be/mCkc-nMAKa4?t=17m59s thats the end of cave
cold siren
tawdry fulcrum
william isn't there
cold siren
I didnt too, but its weird as its a pretty big deal
tawdry fulcrum
but i wont interpret this as a recarnation. i think this show us, that out of williams familie (that's what the tree stands for) cames Laura
so the only thing that this part is showing us is, that Laura is a descandant of William
but the only one who knew yet are the developers...
cold siren
Yeah, but that she is a vanderboom we already knew, but why he became her right away instead of going through the whole tree
?
Also, reincarnation is one "stage" of every path on the samsara wheel
tawdry fulcrum
what? he first became a tree, than he became Laura
cold siren
And as they say on the games and on the real samsara wheel is that enlightment is the only way to break the cycle
Well, but if thats the case, that animation showed nothing realky
Really
Also, he becomes a corrupted soul before and so did she after
Meaning its the same soul, imo
tawdry fulcrum
that could be possible 🤔
sly pelican
The theory Dale killed Laura can be true. It makes sense to me.
tawdry fulcrum
hey @dim edge
can you deny or confirm one of those theorys? xD
cold siren
I think it cant be more obvious now 😂
tawdry fulcrum
oh, maybe you are right xD
sly pelican
They wouldn't talk anything about the game except the anouncments they already had.
cold siren
When they created this discord, they said they would make a few q&a sessions
sly pelican
Oh
tawdry fulcrum
maybe it is worth to try
cold siren
I think they will make before the next release
placid tulip
She truly committed suicide I guess...
cold siren
But if thats true, why does dale, a detective, is going through all the story?
If you replay the cave, it makes more sense he murdered her than just an unfortunate guy
The cave and theater
rich yacht
Maybe it has something to do with Dale's past in Birthday, i mean mr owl helped him save his family
Rusty Lake, 1972
The Lake is changing my memories.
My past is not what it seems to be.
I will let the cubes guide me.
-Cube Escape Theatre
I am not sure what Dale's motive would be if he really killed her. In Season we know she died after visited the lake, and in lake we know that she was attacked by a corruoted soul
(there is one of my theory about the alternate ending in the Lake. The alternate ending is that we save Laura from the corrupted soul (which i think, the possible reason for her suicide) and that would result her to not commot suicide later in Season. But the way for us to be able to do so is playing Season first. What if the point of Season is sending us to the past (with the safe code) and saving Laura? Is it really Laura that we played in Season? I mean it could be Dale since we know in cave he is corrupted (wait a sec it also mean Dale could be kill her, aw this theory is self destruct itself lol)) hmm i have no idea what i was writing
sly pelican
Well, we aren't Laura in seasons, I guess. Do you remember when the time we opened the mirror of the grandfather clock, our shadow was an corrupted soul. So, I guess we play as an corrupted soul. In most of the stories about the time travelling, there can be things like "Detective searches for the murderer of the victim but he is the actual murderer". I also wonder about where did Dale go? I mean, he got the cube of future(Golden Cube) in the depths of the Lake. Maybe in the journey to the past, the golden cube helps him to go present. And his story becomes a time circle, repeats itself.
Maybe he somehow killed Laura by the help of the Blue Cube and went back to the present with the golden cube.
sly pelican
But the thing that Laura used Prozac and Prozac makes people commit suicide. That also can be the mystery behind the death of her. Cause Laura and his boyfriend Bob knew that Laura was going to kill herself. Maybe her mind was twisted, she wasn't sure enough to kill herself and then, by the help of Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow, Dale or a corrupted soul killed her. But what does Laura's death do for Mr. Owl or Mr. Crow? Laura is a high consciousness owner mind, is the highest state of entity. Maybe her death will release a power which is equal to bring back William and his memories. The most important thing for Mr. Owl is the secret recipe of the elixir of Endless Life and Sudden Death.
When Laura killed herself, they looked at her memories if they could find a memory of William's.
Just as Desiderius Erasmus said: "Women, can't live with them, can't live without them."
placid tulip
I think differently...
I mean, it seems that the Woman's suicide was just a set up mysterious murder, which acted as a bait to lure Dale to Rusty Lake, to their reach, to their purpose... Which is why he ends up down the lake, and currently on the elevator rise upward to the hotel...
About Laura, I did think she had committed suicide. First, that was the superiors' plan from the start, when William died in 1859. Second, (have you guys player Rusty Lake: Roots yet?) the reincarnation created an entire new host for William's soul, yet the "host" turned out to be Laura, who has her own mind and soul. Two souls within one body, with the Prozac drugs kicked in, resulted in madness, suicide is the predictable consequence.
......
vague imp
"PROZAC MAKES PEOPLE COMMIT SUICIDE" DUUUUDE
this couldnt be any future from the truth
prozac is an anti-depressant drug, i use a similar one.
it doesnt make you commit suicide, it doesnt alter your mind and so on, it only helps you to live on
what can go downhill is withdrawal syndrom (when you suddenly stop taking your meds)
Maybe she did go into withdrawal i mean you know
we never saw her taking it ever.
yes, might be the case
...
i thought that was a pun at first.
I didnt even notice oml
Tbh personal opnion but i always thought Bob was the womans "killer" and no i dont mean he literally killed her.Maybe you know like he couldnt help her live through her depression and he blamed himself?Ik it sounds dumb af but maybe?
placid tulip
Oh sorry, I didn't know that, google misleads me many times 😅
Perhaps the egg did this?
tawdry fulcrum
With the picture of someone with a knife in #🩸｜general-chat ....
Isn't that a proof Laura didn't killed herself?
placid tulip
I have no idea
Logic doesn't apply in this universe.... 😂
rich yacht
Well remember in the end that the reflection in clock is a corrupted soul which is Laura herself
placid tulip
About the one outside the window, that can't be sure yet
rich yacht
Maybe the corrupted soul that appeared that look like trying to kill Laura are not a physical being, instead just a though, a thought of herself killing herself that haunt her
placid tulip
The one within the room and saw that black guy with the knife, yeah, indeed was Laura
tawdry fulcrum
Or maybe there are two corrupted souls...
placid tulip
😱
rich yacht
👻
placid tulip
dramatic music plays
rich yacht
Okay i got another theory
small shadow
So many theories 😄
rich yacht
So in Season we see Laura outside the house..
placid tulip
Always?
rich yacht
Who are we if Laura is outside....
tawdry fulcrum
We are Laura
We see her when we looked in the mirror
And also the timeline confirms it
rich yacht
There are... Two Laura?
vague imp
doubt it
placid tulip
rich yacht
Yeah i remmeber that mirror
vague imp
as someone said, i think those are thoughts which haunt her
tawdry fulcrum
I think it's the person who had killed her
rich yacht
But in very first Season, we saw Laura IS outside the house
tawdry fulcrum
It's not confirmed, that she killed herself
vague imp
sometimes people with major depression also have delusions
placid tulip
5?
vague imp
sorry that was my cat
placid tulip
Huh?!?
rich yacht
And there is one video on Cave when she stabbed herself
vague imp
i was typing and
tawdry fulcrum
There is?
rich yacht
And the corrupted soul appear 👻
vague imp
she sat on my keyboard
placid tulip
She cut her own throat...
"Stab" is kinda misleading 😅
rich yacht
When we picked the black cube under the lake
Ups sorry
summon the screenshot please
I think my biggest question is, What is Rusty Lake Mental Health & Fishing... I mean Laura commit suicide after went there
vague imp
same as rusty lake hotel probably
tawdry fulcrum
As i said befor, it is not confirmed, that she had killed herself
rich yacht
Yeah that Hotel too
Hotel that in middle of lake sounds cool until you vistted it -The Guests, probably
rich yacht
I think that hotel is really good that there is no complain
I am sure the new game will be has the biggest place to explore if we include exploring the hotel
rich yacht
What if that one Laura in outside is also just a thought (idk, maybe she want to be outside (this is isn't called Cube Escape for nothing)) that later turned into corrupted soul to haunt her with suicide thought, okay it is scary to let your thought haunt you in a form of delusion
(why this game is called Cube Escape... What are we escaping from?)
vague imp
kinda makes sense to me actually?
did she see anything outside of the window in spring btw? bc i might be wrong
if im right then this is how we see lauras mental health issues escalate: first she only sees herself in a window, seemingly nothing much, something you might even brush off
but if you ignore it, this all starts going down and slowly it all becomes scary, something similar to a corrupted soul or even something that might corrupt your soul
but if im wrong then im wrong idk
rich yacht
I think she just standing there
vague imp
or or
For the part where she is outside we play as Bob and then after spring we play as Laura?
maybe?
rich yacht
But the timeline above show us we played as Laura
vague imp
oh right nevermind then.
Well maybe she went back to the past
so the one outside is her past self?
if that makes any sense.
normally I'd say it doesn't
rich yacht
time loops is on it again
vague imp
but time is fake in this game
sly pelican
Yeah, the last season in Seasons was so futuristic.
vague imp
is she dead tho
rich yacht
is corrupted soul are really dead people tho or just random people cosplaying
sly pelican
As I told you, I don't think we're playing Laura in seasons. Yeah, the newspaper call her "the woman" but she may not the only woman in the game.
strong nova
what if seasons is just a dream or a fight against her inner Demons in her head and the last season is the wake up or the win?
tawdry fulcrum
as i said twice, it is confirmed, that we played Laura
vague imp
but its The woman
sly pelican
Maybe player can be corrupted Laura, but wtf Corrupted Williams does at the moment?
vague imp
one specific woman you already know, which is Laura
rich yacht
Today in Rusty Lake : Is the woman we always thought is that woman
sly pelican
Lol
vague imp
is the woman The Woman
tawdry fulcrum
it would be much easier, if rusty lake will say something
vague imp
it might be a spoiler
rich yacht
Rusty Lake is probably watching us and giggling at any of our theory
vague imp
I dont think they will give us a answer..XD
tawdry fulcrum
doesnt matter if they dement or confirm something xD
sly pelican
I do not remember but, anyone of you remember the mirror of William in episode Communication?
sly pelican
I mean, in the mirror, was it like William, or a general corrupted soul?
placid tulip
It was William, for sure
rich yacht
We played as Wilkiam..
tawdry fulcrum
in wich game?
rich yacht
William...
vague imp
Roots.
sly pelican
It's looking was like william's, right?
So the people who are corrupted 'corrupts' with their current bodies.
placid tulip
Of course, there maybe two corrupted souls in Seasons
tawdry fulcrum
i should play it a second time ._.
placid tulip
One is Laura herself, one is William
rich yacht
But Laura = William
sly pelican
But there is one more guy, the fishman
tawdry fulcrum
that not confirmed, too
sly pelican
In the Lake, you remember we cut his lungs.
tawdry fulcrum
yeah
sly pelican
He wasn't completely corrupted I guess
placid tulip
We are never sure that Laura is William
rich yacht
slowly stepback and escape
tawdry fulcrum
yup
placid tulip
Perhaps William is living like a parasite in Laura
vague imp
Yeah possibly.
sly pelican
Rose says: "My child come back to the Rusty Lake." In roots and in Cave, the book says "Rebirth of William" for Laura
vague imp
my theory: shit is wild, man
sly pelican
Someone claimed 2 souls, 1 body theory
rich yacht
I use discord in phone
sly pelican
That might be true.
placid tulip
I claimed that T.T
sly pelican
Real William Vanderboom wasn't directly a human.
Yeah, namhai
That's a good idea.
Just as you told, William was tree, first.
Somehow he united with Rose
And you know
There appeared a child.
Born*
placid tulip
Have you guys all played Rusty Lake: Roots yet?
vague imp
i have
sly pelican
I did.
rich yacht
Twice i think
tawdry fulcrum
yup
sly pelican
Three times, lol
sly pelican
So, in Cube Escape: The Lake, we played Laura, right?
rich yacht
Yup
tawdry fulcrum
yeah
sly pelican
So there are 3 kind of corrupted souls we already seen(except the animal people)
2 are the same person, William Vanderboom/Laura Vanderboom
vague imp
dale and bob
sly pelican
The third one the guy came from the lake in game Lake
rich yacht
Dale was half corrupted too in Cave and Theatre right?
sly pelican
Oh, yeah there they are
vague imp
radium said that already i didnt notice
placid tulip
And the guests
placid tulip
And the one outside Harvey's box
sly pelican
Ah yeah
placid tulip
They looks like animals :v
sly pelican
I wonder who was the guy in Harvey's box
rich yacht
I think the one outside the box is the one who attacked Laura in Lake
sly pelican
And why we got in to the Avocado
vague imp
yeah rusty lake devs suddenly decided they are furries, makes sense
sly pelican
What was the sense of that?
vague imp
im confused.
tawdry fulcrum
and why are there animal people? we know who ist Mr. Crow. but who are the others?
sly pelican
And how did they get that transform?
rich yacht
EXILIR~
sly pelican
Elixir, probably
tawdry fulcrum
but how they get it?
rich yacht
~they sell it online~ no idea
sly pelican
Lol
rich yacht
Hmm but
sly pelican
Ever wanted to look young? Do you hate yourself? The life is meaningless? Then try the elixir of endless life or sudden death. You'll be satisfied or satisfied!
rich yacht
We know some scene when owl and crow become human
digital fulcrum
WARNING: Make sure to have a friend nearby so he can take your seed out of your ear.
And that sounded super wrong.
tawdry fulcrum
who is a good boy? immortal dog is a good boy 
vague imp
🐶
rich yacht
forgot that we give someone his piss to drink
sly pelican
Would you give your soul for your grandfather, guys?
vague imp
no
rich yacht
Nah
sly pelican
Just like Vanderboom grandchildren did.
rich yacht
It is their mistake for living near the lake
rich yacht
Idk, is it just me or we missed Cube Escape : Arles. Isn't it weird that it is the only game that's almost have no any connection to the main story? Or maybe it has but not revealed yet? Or did i miss something?
strong finch
Well, it may indirectly reveal Rusty Lake's location: France
rich yacht
Well you could be right
strong finch
But names such as Leonard, James, Mary and Laura don't sound french
Perhaps they are english inmigrants
rich yacht
Could be right, but what would affecting the story if the lake is taking place in France
Or maybe it is just "Yeah that place is in France fyi"
cold siren
Maybe its to help solve the mystery, because he is the only "real" character, and maybe we can make parallels with his real life
For instance, when you cut off your ear after seeing Paul (thats what happened) you enter his ear to find an obscure version of the room where you are a black figure
And then you shoot yourself, giving you an white cube
Van gogh had depression and really shot himself
Maybe he freed himself from that life, and thats why you get a white cube (good)
And when you finish his painting, you get a black cube because he was never recognized for his paintings while alive, meaning it is a bad thing
rich yacht
Ooh sounds so right. We could use that game as a real life reference, when the whole game is... Well, you know
why is there a cat in ventilation
rich yacht
HOW COULD HE LET HIS CAT IN VENTILATION WHAT HAVE HE DONE
vague imp
..XD
well dont some police stations have like
mascot pets?
it could be either Dales pet or the police stations mascot?You know like Tama from that train station in Japan?
rich yacht
Yeah that cute cat, well whose ever that cat belong to is better keep their eye on it
vague imp
we should actually give the cat from birthday and case 23 names hmmmm
rich yacht
I am not really good at naming 🤔
rich yacht
Sounds cute for a cat that eat a whole key...
rich yacht
Oh right he is so lucky (and so does Dale)
vague imp
true.
Uhhhh and the cat from case 23...hmmm
Sir/Madame Meowsalot?
You know sometimes this chat is like "100% serious" one day and someday its like "Names"
rich yacht
And the game is about blood, and all i did is joking about the exilir that sold online
vague imp
nice
rich yacht
Well i'll just sitting in corner while waiting any theories or news about the new game to discuss about, bye bye (we could name the case 23 cat furry because he/she is furry (yes i am lazy))
vague imp
((true)) and sure bye bye.Also i really hope we see the Vanderbooms one day again
i miss them so much.
shy pecan
Hi everyone.
feral iron
Heya
dreamy shadow
hello!
shy pecan
So this is pretty cool. I've been wanting to hear what other people thought was going on in the story.
Because honestly, I'm a little dense when it comes to things that aren't made clear in the games.
rich yacht
Don't worry, we are talking about mr crow and mr owl secret of youth in here
rich yacht
Harvey got old age like the others so it could be true
But its real identity remains mystery
shy pecan
Yes, and it's tantalizing.
cold siren
Harvey is a parrot
Mr crow is aldous vanderboom
Mr owl is that dude inside the underwater suit in the cave
sly pelican
How about the old woman in mill? They look like "old man"(Mr Crow/Aldous) and old woman are married.
Maybe somehow Mr. Crow killed old man and got his skin as a costume.
strong finch
Hecc
cold siren
What hecc means?
cold siren
Oh, ok
sly pelican
Macumbeiro, I'm talking about Old Man. You can see the photo of Old Woman and Old Man together in Cube Escape: Mill
But Old Man is also Mr. Crow
strong finch
Yes
cold siren
So "Old Man" is Aldous
strong finch
He survived via elixir
sly pelican
There are 2 odds
strong finch
The elixir gave him Eternal Life not Eternal Youth
cold siren
No, replay the cave and you'll understand, Mr Crow IS Aldous
strong finch
So he aged till that point
sly pelican
The one, there was an old man and Mr. Crow did something to him(killed or something else) and used his skin as a costume(Just like in Case 23: Chapel).
The second one is there were no old man from beginning, it was always Aldous' creation. And Aldous married with Old Woman to look like normal and hide his identity.
rich yacht
That's what he said
strong finch
But he emerges through his mouth
strong finch
Lol
tawdry fulcrum
and mrs Pigeon?
rich yacht
(there is Ms. Pigeon but she died anyway)
tawdry fulcrum
is she in there too?
strong finch
And Ms. Pheasant?
rich yacht
Died too
rich yacht
~nah they were in dinner menu~
rich yacht
Their souls freaked out our soul during this game series which is kind of fuck up
(the cave flashback of those shadow)
rich yacht
(this is 2 am what i am doing in here)
strong finch
How many soul mouths have you seen?
rich yacht
Mouths?
strong finch
Souls that have mouths
rich yacht
Zero so far
strong finch
I have seen one
rich yacht
Or it is just my bad memories
strong finch
Mr. Boar in Cave
rich yacht
(don't show the picture bc i am gonna sleep)
strong finch
rich yacht
(sleep)
rich yacht
Who is that Vanderboom who lost her son? I forgot her name
rich yacht
Time to sleep
placid tulip
You should seriously check the timeline though -.-
Harvey received the letter in 1891, but the Hotel incident happened in 1894...
rich yacht
I only sleep for 3 hours because i accidentally put too many tea bag in my drink, it feels like i am dying
strong finch
lol
vague imp
how do you... accidentally do it
strong finch
he's him
rich yacht
So there is two type of tea bag in my house, one with not really high concentration (meaning one tea bag for a small glass) and the other that 1 tea bag for 4 small glass
vague imp
ooh i see
rich yacht
So i was planning to drink a big glass, and take 2 tea bag
But i picked the wrong one...
ebon vapor
i can't wait for the new game
rich yacht
So i was literally drink 4 big glass tea
vague imp
that sure is a lot
rich yacht
(watch the walkthrough before playing the game again so i know where those scary creatures will showed up)
Anyway i am a girl
vague imp
👌 good to know
Me too haha @rich yacht
I haven't looked at any of the walkthroughs though cuz I don't wanna spoil anything for myself
rich yacht
I think i have been doing it twice when playing Roots and Hotel
Welp, good thing there is the new hint system
kindred meteor
Hey, isn't Van Gogh the first recorded human to be corrupted?
What if he's Harvey?
rich yacht
I don't really remember people from Bird Squad ever been corrupted
kindred meteor
And he's helping Dale to undo the timeline...
I think rusty lake is going to restart at the end
rich yacht
Undo the timeline?
kindred meteor
That's why its never the past
rich yacht
(idk how scary harvey could be that her egg containt a black cube)
And also didn't van gogh shot himself?
Animal Squad almost never seen dying before
sly pelican
The beam happened cause Corrupted Souls, somehow, escaped from their cages and tried to kill Harvey. But Harvey, somehow, escaped from them. Or maybe they killed Harvey and that caused Harvey to transform their bird form.
rich yacht
*before transforming into animal people
cold siren
I dont believe harvey is one of them
rich yacht
Well harvey is almost everywhere and helping us with the game, but we never know her real motives
(why she was in hotel anyway...)
shy pecan
It seemed so important for Harvey to be there at the hotel. Everything they do seems purposeful, even the guests.
So I think there is a good reason for her to be there, but what is it?
But, weird idea, what if mister crow is like Merlin and experienced time in reverse?
rich yacht
🤔
tawdry fulcrum
Uh, i might have found something after playing Theater again...
rich yacht
You better share with us or mr crow will chase you
tawdry fulcrum
Remeber Mr owls human form from cave?
cold siren
Yeah, he is there
tawdry fulcrum
We cant see the whole face of the man with the owl mask, But they are very similar
Is similar the right word? 🤔
rich yacht
Yeah if i remember correctly they are bald
cold siren
They are probably the same person as we know mr owl and mr crow are working together on dale and laura's fate, as one of his line on the cave was "dale's journey is about to begin"
Also they mention they are the key to the full elixir
rich yacht
(dying to wait next cube escape game)
tawdry fulcrum
I have found another thing, but my internet connection don't allow me to send pictures
So you have to wait until school ends and i am back home
Sorry for that ._.
tawdry fulcrum
Just one word: postcard
cold siren
From the theater? Or birthday?
rich yacht
1 pm here
cold siren
Well, we know that he is the same guy that was hold suspect for laura's murder/suicide
And they actually knew each other
shy pecan
Bob is a cop killer
cold siren
He maybe the one who killed laura or he feels guilty for letting her going to the lake and die
rich yacht
And probably the first guy to be corrupted while alive
shy pecan
Has anyone ever left Rusty Lake?
rich yacht
nobody ever left the lake
rich yacht
Mental health
& fishing
More sounds like "have mental health problem? Go here and end your life for the lake"
placid tulip
Best vacation spot description ever 😂
What Theatre postcard?????
@tawdry fulcrum?
shy pecan
Whoa. Could it be that the lake is fed with the memories of mental illness sufferers?
rich yacht
It could be, but what would they get from the lake? Exilir?
Nah exilir has it's own recipe
Then for what?
shy pecan
Worship?
rich yacht
Could be
shy pecan
Like serving the lake is its own reward?
rich yacht
Well but since when?
shy pecan
What do you mean?
shy pecan
It's times like these I wish Mat Pat would check the game out.
rich yacht
👌
The point of game is revealing about the lake mystery
Why they need the exilir? To make them able to "protect" the lake forever?
shy pecan
Sure. After all, the longer they live the more time they get to enjoy doing that.
And maybe those who use the elixir to cheat death die and are reborn.
Come to think about it, it seems to fit in really well with the Buddhist themes.
rich yacht
good side of living near the lake : you can fishing using bear trap on land
shy pecan
Hehe! And when you roast it over a fire you magically get grill marks.
rich yacht
Well what happen if it is stopped then? Nothing much will change?
Wonderful and magical live near the lake
Plot twist : the reason we can fishing on land is because we are all always under the lake
Lakeception
shy pecan
Well if I were to put stock in the idea, I'd say it was a miracle.
It could have easily been a rabbit or squirrel, but it was a fish.
Like the lake has a mind to tell Rose it is watching and favors her.
I might be coming across as a religious nut job.
rich yacht
It also happen in birthday where we use a mice trap to catch a fish. But it does makes a bit sense since we know Dale was in the lake that time
sly pelican
Hello. Is this Rusty Lake?
vague imp
say the word
sly pelican
Fate?
vague imp
I'm sorry, your place is already taken
sly pelican
Damn it
vague imp
sly pelican
I've booked my room five months ago, how can it be taken?!
sly pelican
I'll report you to the Universal Resort And Hotel Administration!
tawdry fulcrum
Fuck ._.
ancient dagger
tawdry fulcrum
That's the postcard I meant a few hours ago. I think it is supporting the suicide theory
vague imp
I read a few of your theories. Why are you so deeply digging? Use Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is the most realistic. For example, how can we assume that in the Seasons the protagonist is not Laura? This is proven by the developers themselves. Better read this fundamental theory of Buddhism:
rusty-lake.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:2076
tawdry fulcrum
i dont think it is suicide, too
but many others here think it was suicide and i thought maybe they wanted to know this
rich yacht
Anyway did anyone remember in Case 23, the dead of Laura is called suicide or homicide?
Like, how they able to distinguish between which suicide or homicide
thin elk
Well, homicide implies another person. If they left any traces of themselves, like signs of fight or breaking locks in and stuff like that, they'd think that it was a murder.
If no other person's traces can be found around the room, and the killing tool is in victim's hand or something, it's probably safe to assume suicide.
tawdry fulcrum
dunno, but i think the police can distinguish suicide and murder
rich yacht
(face table) well since this is Rusty Lake universe anything could happen
thin elk
Well
tawdry fulcrum
at the crime szene werent a weapon, so Laura might been murdered
thin elk
The Rusty Lake police is probably the same as everything else, so naturally, they wouldn't assume that Laura was a time traveller who took her own life.
rich yacht
Or i think it is just my imagination
I'll just delete that massege because i don't want it mislead anyone
thin elk
@rich yacht Nope. Nothing about the murder being a suicide.
Dale said he was a homicide detective, though.
kindred meteor
Well then
rich yacht
well my parent was killed by random rabbit in my birthday so it might a cool idea of being a homicide detective
thin elk
I also rewrote the entire murder thing, so my granddad killed said rabbit, and it's still a cool idea to become a homicide detective.
rich yacht
Classic batman
kindred meteor
He claims dale = Batman theory
thin elk
Excuse you, it's a fact, not a theory xD
rich yacht
And here we are, from Buddhism to Batman
kindred meteor
So mr. Owl is like joker?
tawdry fulcrum
So Dale ist Batman? that would be a nice plottwist 🤔
rich yacht
He looks nice
So if i am right, the one who killed poeple the most is William
He is the joker
Or nvm
kindred meteor
Now we know joker's identity
sly pelican
Your truth lies in lies of people.
Lies on lies*
I wonder who is the mutual friend of Mr. Boar and Mr. Owl.
strong finch
Mr. Crow?
Harvey?
@rich yacht Laura killed herself, in The Cave it is shown that she killed herself with a knife, therefore there's a stained knife in Fall, Seasons
Noweteese meh
shadow stump
Yeah, there's a knife in almost all the games. Coincidence? Hmmm... I don't think so.
rich yacht
So... Are we still going to say that it is not a suicide?
vague imp
sort of unrelated but if person from one timeline kills their other self, is it murder or it it suicide?
vague imp
both
rich yacht
Okay lets just call this the dead of Laura
buoyant flax
hi
vague imp
Hey we're twinning profile pictures 😍 👌
vague imp
Ooooo nice haha
buoyant flax
I Mr. Crown's fan
vague imp
I like all the characters but he concerns me the most XD
vague imp
I can't wait til paradise comes out
buoyant flax
first message
vague imp
I'm replaying all the games as I wait
buoyant flax
I only not play hotel and roods because I afraid to pay of internet with my tablet
after I can pay indirect other things
but I'll pay double for this games
after that I finish my last proyect I study this case and buy there games
but I know story of there games
vague imp
Ooooo nice! You should play it sometime tho if you get the chance
Rusty lake hotel is my favorite
buoyant flax
Rusty lake have merit for I buy there
I read to resume
and same more interesting
five days, five deads
vague imp
Ohhh you can't buy it from the app store/Google play?
vague imp
Haha ya I didn't expect that to happen the first time I played hotel
Ohhhh
I use Google play giftcards to pay for it haha
buoyant flax
I don't know to succes in hotel
I only know that a character kill there men
I don't know if is a one of they, mr crown or other person
Y have very hype to hotel
vague imp
I haven't played it in a while but isn't it Mr owl that's just chilling at the end haha
The entire game is very eerie
buoyant flax
I only know make zeldas xD
make escape games secure is more funny
of escape games I play hundreds games
but rusty lake for me are the best
shy pecan
@buoyant flax I use Steam to buy roots and hotel.
buoyant flax
I haven't steam profile
shadow stump
Hey, I don t know if someone notice that, but when Leonard goes for WW1 in rusty lake: roots, the helmet he is wearing was specific to the United kingdom's soldiers. What that means is that rusty lake takes place in United kingdom, maybe in England.
shy pecan
@Lokionome#0424 I don't know if I one hundred percent agree with that. The American helmet and uniform look a lot like the British one apparently.
shadow stump
@Tristanwebb#1294 There is also another hint that Rusty lake take place in United kingdom: in Rusty lake: roots, you can find a newspaper called "daily herald", which is a real UK newspaper.
*sorry, WAS a UK newspaper, since it stops publish in the 60's.
tawdry fulcrum
but still UK
shadow stump
Yes, still uk
vague imp
But the surnames of Dutch origin indicate that Rusty Lake is somewhere in the Netherlands
tawdry fulcrum
Names proves nothing
remember Atack on Titan? The most names are German but it plays in Madagascar
ok, not the real Madagascar, a island in shape of it
but not Germany
vague imp
Simply, I think that developers will most likely want to locate Rusty Lake in their homeland
tawdry fulcrum
but we have more envidences thats in the UK. it is also possible, that they took Dutch names because thats the names the are the most familiar with
vague imp
homeland
shadow stump
It cannot be in netherlands because, during WW1, netherlands was neutral, so no man was sent to fight.
vague imp
Well, also it can be in France, since one of the games takes place in Arles
there weren't any lake in arles tho. just van gogh goin nuts
shadow stump
@vague imp sorry to tell you that but no. French soldier's had a very specific helmet too, and it s very different from the british one.
*well, maybe a part of the serie is in france. But I m sure that the majority of the games take place in UK
vague imp
OK, that's cool. There are no other options except England
vague imp
Actually there are no problems. We came to the right conclusion
tawdry fulcrum
so, one mystery solved, only endless left ._.
vague imp
wait are you sure that couldnt be Netherlands?
bc while the country remained neutral i highly doubt they didnt need an army
tawdry fulcrum
but we see the guy, sadly i forgot his name, with a big wound. if he weren't at war, why he had that wound
vague imp
"armed in that the Dutch maintained an army to defend the country against any possible violations of its neutrality"
tawdry fulcrum
and iirc there are shots in the backgorund
does any country attacked the Netherlands in WWI?
vague imp
have you seen the map of europe
The Netherlands really did not participate in the war
they had to defend their borders tho?? so they could remain neutral
i sent an article where it clearly said that netherlands mobilized the army and maintained it throughout the entire war time
Pay attention to the word "possible"
"The primary task of the armed forces (army and navy) was to discourage any belligerent power from incorporating Dutch territory in its military operations or in a worst-case scenario, to try to occupy the Netherlands"
tawdry fulcrum
yeah, they had mobilized their army, but did this army fight?
vague imp
In Wikipedia it is written that the Netherlands had to keep their army in a state of permanent mobilization, but the country did not participate in the war.
tawdry fulcrum
if they were attacked they had participated, i guess
vague imp
it wasnt significant to the war anyway
tawdry fulcrum
to the war, yes
but you see shoten soldiers and heared shoots yourself in that room
so they had fight
vague imp
ofc
netherlands were basically in between of everything
so their neutrality was threatened
but they didnt need to send their army anywhere since the primary task was to defend the borders
But Leonard was wounded by an enemy grenade
rotund moon
It doesn't look like the Dutch army ever participated in any land battles
tawdry fulcrum
^
vague imp
have you. seen. a map.
rotund moon
The army was mobilized, but they were never part of any battles.
vague imp
@vague imp What do you mean by that?
tawdry fulcrum
There are the Netherlands
no one has to go througt it to attack someone else
not even Belgium
so, do they realy had to defend their borders?
vague imp
"The German occupation of Belgium had serious consequences for the Dutch and posed a potential threat to the country’s neutrality. From a military point of view, Dutch neutrality favoured the Germans: it safeguarded their right flank and their logistical lines between the front and the Heimat. On the other hand, the Dutch could never rule out the possibility that, should the British want to attack overseas, they would make use of Dutch ports and territory to attack German positions in the rear. Also, Holland was very close to the front in France and Flanders. Any serious movement, especially a German retreat, could endanger Dutch neutrality. Snijders and his staff were well aware that the Dutch position was strategically precarious. That is why he stressed it was important not to demobilise, not even partially, as other neutrals like Denmarkand Switzerland did"
rotund moon
That has nothing to do with them being in battle is the thing. Leonard was in a trench, with obvious fighting nearby. The dutch army wouldn't have been in trenches or in an active battle
tawdry fulcrum
this text says that they hat mobilized and were afraid of the german, nothing over beeing in a battle
vague imp
i still highly doubt they didnt ever fight. that wouldnt make any sense
@vague imp Can you at least open Wikipedia?
🙄
"A large army was mobilised to defend this neutrality", - Wikipedia
tawdry fulcrum
maybe there was a fight, maybe not. But even if there wasn't the developers might be made a mistake and thougt Netherland has fought a battle. I don't think so but it is also possible. So until the one of the games or the developers confirm it it is just a theory
shadow stump
So, I asked my history teacher (who isnt wikipedia), and he told me that not even once, netherlands needed to defend themselves or attack. So... I guess the UK theory might be right.
vague imp
yall
im
this was just there and none of you said that
his uniform
its UK
also some people from Netherlands volunteered to other countries' armies
yeah i think maybe just maybe
Leonard was from the Netherlands (maybe?)
but he got like drafted into the uk army overseas?
Could happen?
absolutely
Tbh uhh its sorta confusing where RL is but i think the netherlands
i mean rl does a have ..windmill
dosent Netherlands have alot of windmills?
But i guess we could try thinking where Rusty Lake is by the flowers that grow there in RL Roots?
maybe that will help
shadow stump
@vague imp In fact, radium, I did talk about the uniform at the beginning of the "UK or Neitherlands" debate. I'd say that Leonard was wearing a helmet specific to the british soldier.
vague imp
hemlets come and go but the uniform itself was very different
hmm but
you know
they could have been short on netherlands type of soldier clothing
maybe they just gave him what they had?
shadow stump
Maybe, but, were there really volontary people to go to WW1? I mean, it s horrible, and ok there is propaganda but if you live in a country that has nothing to do with it, there s no reason to have propaganda in your country and you have no reason to go to one of the most horrible war of all time.
vague imp
Maybe he wanted to get away from Albert?
idk
he got nothing to lose anyway
True i mean
most of his family is dead
shadow stump
Yeah... idk. Maybe. I just need to see if the "Daily Herald" was available outside of the UK.
vague imp
was it..
shadow stump
If it does, there would be no reason that Rusty lake isnt in neitherlands
vague imp
well
tbh uhhh i think most people think Netherlands (me included) because its where the developers live
atleast i think they live in the netherlands.
shadow stump
The longer I think about it, the most I think that Rusty lake is in neitherland. It s hard to tell.
vague imp
tbh i think it is.
us in the future possibly:Boy were we wrong..
btw the daily herald probably was only available in uk as it seems
i dont think they even sold it outside of the london but who knows
but wait
wait
i dont know much about newspaper production
who said they only had the daily herald made in only England?
Maybe it was a netherlands made verison also?
dunno, but we see the newspaper in the "war hero" part, which is in 1914
and in 1914 daily herald had... financial troubles
hmm
Actually that makes me think..
is there like
a small town in rusty lake?
are there stores
and cafes..
theres nothing,,, its either a really small village or remote part of a big city
well true
either way the newspaper had to be local since they published the news about murder
yeahhh
you know i just imagined Mr.Owl sitting down at his desk at night
and just writing
shadow stump
So... UK I guess? Or is there still a debate?
vague imp
Uhhh eh tbh i dont think we can come to a offical agreement until they confirm it
so i guess it depends on the person?
shadow stump
I guess. But we can almost be sure it s Neitherlands or UK
vague imp
uhh well i believe Netherlands bcs Vanderboom means from the tree in dutch
but hey my personal opnion
shadow stump
Yeah, but still, we are on something
vague imp
.I would make a joke of giving the answer of "The earth/the ground duh" but nevermind
but yeah we obviously are
hmm
the daily herald paper also appears in the case 23, which is year 1971
oh yeah it did.
but the daily herald (uk) was published till 1964
and then it ended?
first it was reborn, then sold
if i understand the article right
oh
oh, yeah. it was reborn in 1964 as The Sun, and 1969 it was sold
...
ah okay
shadow stump
I think there s also a Daily herald in chicago. Maybe Case 23 is in US
vague imp
also unrelated for a keyboard why
sec*
..XD
nobody saw that
uhhh i hope we get a new rl update soon.
shy pecan
Here's an idea. Rusty Lake takes place in a world much like ours but not exactly.
cold siren
Guys, you are trying way too hard, it has been stablished that it's about the buddhist samsara wheel, take that information and work on that!
Dont just create theories out of thin air
shadow stump
@macumbeiro#1473 Did you read everything that was said about this theory and how we end up with this?
shy pecan
I think as far as location of Rusty Lake goes we're making assumptions about the developer's intentions.
They might not have had a set location. After all, they were inspired by the show twin peaks which takes place on the other side of the planet as Europe.
shadow stump
Hmmm... Maybe, but I still feel like the dev put some hint for this.
shy pecan
And with the daily herald being a major news source reporting on suspicious activity in the local area of the lake, the place would just be crawling with investigators.
Lots of people follow leads on paranormal with less. Think of Loch Ness, Bigfoot, Amelia Earhart.
shadow stump
But why would they have use the name of a real journal, why didnt they just create one?
shy pecan
You could ask the reverse. Why create a journal when you already have a real one?
strong finch
Thincc
shadow stump
I might be thinking too much about the idea of the location of Rusty Lake, but I still feel that choosing the name of a UK newspaper that was publishing during WW1 isn t coincidence and it s suppose give a hint about the location of Rusty Lake. If it s not it, it s just misleading.
vague imp
Maybe this is not the most weighty argument, but the fact that all the inscriptions and titles are written in English speaks in favor of version about England.
the whole game is in english
I mean, if the organization Rusty Lake Mental Health and Fishing was located in the Netherlands, its name would be in Dutch. But it is not exactly.
waxen sphinx
Hi everyone
vague imp
hii
buoyant flax
hi
shy pecan
Hey there
vague imp
hello!
strong finch
And first of spring here
rich yacht
South east asia
vague imp
hey guys, a friendly reminder that in this channel people are supposed to discuss their rusty lake theories
#🛖｜the-cabin is for anything NOT rusty lake related
vague imp
This will for rusty lake related #🤔｜theories is the chatroom name. #🛖｜the-cabin is another room @radium
shadow stump
Do we know anything about the woman dressed in green?
shadow stump
The woman in seasons. I don't know if she has a name.
fresh badger
have you played roots or the cave?
shadow stump
Wait, I m playing cube escape the cave and I think that, yes, it's Laura
fresh badger
have you played roots?
shadow stump
Yes, but it s been months
fresh badger
do you remember what happens in the end?
shadow stump
No
fresh badger
i cant quite explain it well because it's also been months since i played it and my bad english but remember a baby was "born" at the end?
shadow stump
Yes I do
fresh badger
that is laura
shadow stump
Isnt it, ... Dale?
shadow stump
I though it was a boy
fresh badger
Have you taken a look into the book in the cave?
shadow stump
Just give me a second
fresh badger
aaa its been so long, i gotta play it all again to remember the details
shadow stump
Oh, now it make sense: William V. is Laura
shadow stump
Yes
fresh badger
the elixir gives you eternal life through that, it's genial
shadow stump
But... Didnt william "reborn" as 2 entities?
fresh badger
has he?
shadow stump
I though Dale was one of his "reincarnation" but that he didnt remember
fresh badger
i never thought of it as that
but would it make sense if we take in count what happened in Roots?
shadow stump
Not sure, I cant remember what happened exactly at the end of roots
Btw, when I look at your profile, it says "accept" and "denied". What does it mean ( I m kind of new on discord)?
shadow stump
I did
fresh badger
do you think it has any connection to the series?
shadow stump
Maybe. Same art style (but it doesnt prove anything) and there are (in a way) animal people.
fresh badger
yeah, and also the meaning behind it
shadow stump
To be honest, I didnt see that meaning.What was it?
fresh badger
As I've read somewhere, the word Samsara has something about being reborn, reincarnation, and such
so I remember that when I finished Roots, I immediately remembered Samsara
shadow stump
It s probably linked
fresh badger
i'm anxious to see the next game :3
shadow stump
I can t wait 😄
fresh badger
me neither ❤
strong finch
~(˘▾˘~)
upbeat bramble
I can’t ever get discord to work right with the invite links☹️
I’ve finished all of the cube escape games except for roots which I’m going to start soon.
vague imp
i wish you the best of luck!! roots is really long but its really worth it
vague imp
Hey I'm replaying birthday rn
Does anyone know what this means
It means preta (hungry spirit). To Google
vague imp
Ohhh okay cool!
cold siren
"Pretas are believed to have been false, corrupted, compulsive, deceitful, jealous or greedy people in a previous life. As a result of their karma, they are afflicted with an insatiable hunger for a particular substance or object."
shy pecan
Huh, so do you suppose the corrupted spirits are Pretas?
vague imp
@shy pecan It looks like you played inattentively. Cube Escape: Theatre is completely devoted to how the Rusty Lake Universe is organized (and how it is related to Buddhism). I'm already tired of saying all this. Take a look at the discussion at Rusty Lake Wiki.
strong finch
Look at the wheel in Theatre
shy pecan
Yeah...I get that
The Samsara Wheel is a huge theme. It's hard to miss, and I didn't miss it.
I was just kind of hoping we could talk beyond the obvious.
cold siren
It's not beyond the obvious, because you can throw any shitty theory without hard evidence and call it right
Also, it's not only the obvious, it's the bedrock of the game
And that's where you start to build your theories on
Also, this discord was made waaay after the true theorist figured out most of the game
shy pecan
The true theorist?
tawdry fulcrum
So you are only a true theorist If you theorized from the begining?
shy pecan
Okay, I'm getting a really condescending vibe here.
I'm not Sherlock Homes, okay? I'm just a gamer trying to enjoy myself with fellow fans.
cold siren
No, it's just that you are wanting to create the theory from scratch, and even call false some theories that has been stabilished before you
Yeah, but it gets annoying at some point
shy pecan
Wait, when was that established? I haven't done that at all.
cold siren
Like wanting to go away from the buddhist theme, which is basically the whole game series theme
tawdry fulcrum
So the atother theoris are better, because someone said this theoris befor ours?
shy pecan
I was actually going with it. I thought it was really interesting what it said on the pistol box and thought maybe the corrupted souls had bad karma.
cold siren
No, they are better because they dedicated more time to develope the other theories
tawdry fulcrum
and we did not spent time on them?
and you are say buddism here, buddism there, but i have never herad of a buddism theory. I don't get away from this, i never heard from this. as we asked you what the buddismtheory is you said nothing
cold siren
I just think people in here should read the reddits threads and stuff and start continuing the theory
shy pecan
@tawdry fulcrum You haven't?
cold siren
It's like wanting to invent the wheel to build a car
tawdry fulcrum
no, i haven't
shy pecan
@cold siren I actually wrote some of the reddits...
tawdry fulcrum
until now, i didn't know there were reddits about it
cold siren
Yeah, ok, maybe not you, but most of the time here people are discussing unnecessary things
tawdry fulcrum
so you blame our theorys, because some other theorys we maybe nevere heared about?
what are those "unnecessary things"
cold siren
I just blame that you dont want to hear the theories that have basically been proven true to create your own theories
shy pecan
@tawdry fulcrum I can't remember what tipped me off to it first, but I noticed the word "Samsara" while playing roots. I did a little research and found out it was a reference to reincarnation. It's a wheel.
cold siren
Like one time people were discussing if mr crow was or wasnt aldous
shy pecan
Okay, but were they having fun?
tawdry fulcrum
what? our theories have proven theyr theories?
cold siren
Well, if the meaning is just to have fun, then this thread should be called rusty lake fun
This was created to find the meaning of the game, not to randomly discuss anything
shy pecan
I think fun is implied and the subject of the chat is getting specific about the topic.
cold siren
Yeah, you can have fun and also discuss what matters
tawdry fulcrum
but it is called rusty lake story, everyone can discuss their theory here. if you aren't the same opinion as those you can told them about the theoris you think they are true
you just say "hey, this theorie is bad because of this theorie"
shy pecan
Yes, and Bush caused 9/11
So here's a theory of the theory, a meta theory if you will.
Some of us are interested in finding the one truth about the story, which is great.
Other people propose different ideas of what it means to them and come up with stories of their own.
tawdry fulcrum
i don't have something again your theories, but you have something about ours. Thats ok, but please don't be rude and just say "its wrong because of that theorie". told us about this theorie so we can discuss togehter over it
cold siren
Yeah, but its really the matter of flatearthers kind of discussion
shy pecan
How so?
cold siren
The earth is a ball, geoid or whatever you want to call, but I can say it is flat and show "proofs"