🤔｜theories

[carmine field]

Why exactly?

[floral veldt]

it's hard to point but I think of the lake as a space, with unnatural properties. Or perhaps, I can't seem to find something the points to that idea

[honest brook]

The Lake requests for Jakob to be sacrificed

And when Caroline is sacrificed instead, the Lake curses them with plagues

[floral veldt]

can you tell me when that was said? I have paradise in my phone so I can check it

[honest brook]

It’s implied

[floral veldt]

but where? where is it implied?

I know you didn't come up with that from thin air, you must have seen at least one line that implies it

[azure bay]

I don't think it's the case. The plagues were well known even before she was killed, even by David

[floral veldt]

can you point me to it, please?

[carmine field]

The Eilanders sacrifice Jakob on a special day so that the Lake will grant them enlightenment

[azure bay]

and there was a prophecy about a plague before the day of the lake

[honest brook]

But in that specific situation, that’s probably why there were plagues

[floral veldt]

I theorise about that being an eclipse

[azure bay]

I think they are simply recurrent just like the day of the lake

[floral veldt]

we see how the moon turns red, and that happens during eclipses

that little device we use to match the moon with what is requested could be used to predict eclipses and consequently - the next day of the lake

[honest brook]

Well maybe, it depends if we see the plagues happening again at the next day of the Lake

[visual coral]

eclipses happen every six month or so tho and it doesn't seem that the Day of the Lake is that frequent

[floral veldt]

but they don't pass always over the same place

[visual coral]

I do agree that line about the moon is supposed to be about an eclipse

[visual coral]

you have a point

[floral veldt]

also, I'm a bit confused about the sacrifice

I assume there was no prior way of extracting cubes from someone

so when they killed caroline it went a bit like this:

"these things are everywhere"
"give em to the lake"

[azure bay]

There were and they were vaguely described in Caroline's book.

The fact that there is a whole well with a cube slot created specifically for memory offerings means that cubes aren't a new thing

Even the chapel implied that by inserting cubes into biblical stories

[rancid slate]

Extraction is not the only way of getting cubes

My teeth could fall, I could remove it or I could make artificial teeth

[azure bay]

How exactly does it apply to cubes?

[rancid slate]

You can get a cube without extraction, you can extract it or simply generate one (Golden Cubes, for example)

[azure bay]

Simply lmao

[vivid bridge]

I mean

kinda

Albert really just made that cube no problem

[azure bay]

we don't know that. We don't know what was happening from his pov. I'd expect him doing at least some kind of energy conversion

[vivid bridge]

the point is its not a memory that had to be extracted

[azure bay]

hmmmm

It could've been

I suppose the guests have their white future cube extracted when they were already corrupted

on the other hand, it wasn't Albert's future per se

or was it?

[vivid bridge]

hmm

nah

past-albert creates it

future-albert is still pickled at that point

[azure bay]

"past" guests were the source too while being idle in the "future"

[vivid bridge]

elaborate

[azure bay]

"future" guests we see inside the cube didn't help with getting it

[vivid bridge]

you mean the white cube at the end of hotel?

[azure bay]

yes

[vivid bridge]

eh its a different situation compared to tpw

also that cube makes no sense

idk how that one works

I think the devs were just making stuff up idk

[azure bay]

none of them "makes sense" for that matter

we simply have 2 instances of future cubes being related to corrupted souls both outside and inside

[vivid bridge]

well a lot of cubes have corrupted souls inside them

or I guess memory copies

[azure bay]

you miss the point

these are cubes created from CS and they are about them

not some random CS

[vivid bridge]

not necessarily

Dale's birthday memory has a CS in it

apparently

[honest brook]

But that memory isn’t actually Mr. Rabbit’s

[azure bay]

but birthday

1. Isn't a future cube
2. It's not created using a CS
3. The CS featured is random in that sense

[vivid bridge]

I forgot the point we were making

[azure bay]

I'm making the point that both instances of future cubes were created with the help of a corrupted soul(s) and they feature them

[vivid bridge]

I guess

could be a coincidence, though

since the hotel cube isn't golden

[azure bay]

definitely

[bright rose]

I always had a question

How the fu the capel almost don't Have lore? Hmm

We Just know that the capel os from 1700 cuz If You see in the background, the Capel already existed

*is

Damn my corrector is bad as freak

[azure bay]

1. we have its year of construction from the facade (1384)

2. back when Case 23 was coming out the devs said it reveals some history

[bright rose]

Yeah

Also we know that in rusty lake paradise in the end the paradise turns into the hotel but the hotel is "destroyed", in underground blossom on the secret ending we see that the hotel or will be remade or they'll open it again
So that mean that in the future we will have a new hotel?

[bright rose]

Just a theory in my mind tho

[azure bay]

what's the evidence of the hotel destruction?

[bright rose]

The incident when the souls escaped it not have been destructed but it actually made the hotel closed

[azure bay]

Nah, I don't think it would do a thing

I'm almost sure Laura stayed there in 1969

[bright rose]

Wait

Oh damn

[azure bay]

and even if she didn't it has to be at least Owl's base of operations

[bright rose]

Oh

[rancid slate]

Actually

The Hotel was duplicated

👽

And

Theres a hard amount of evidence about that

Like

Like

Yknow

Everyone knows

[azure bay]

You mean the exact copy of the lake on the other side of the mountain range with the only difference that it has a metro station?

||@vivid bridge||

[vivid bridge]

so true

[rancid slate]

Chat, is that real

Do you guys think Rose was aware of Laura's death? (In the 70s)

[azure bay]

no idea

[rancid slate]

What if the Timepiece for Laura is the Equivalent of the Gun for Mr. Rabbit

And UB was basically balancing the substances of her past lives

Preta, Phed

Deva

Mr. Rabbit was Preta in the moment but Laura wasnt Deva tho

[rancid slate]

Not the stations themselves, but the ending atleast

Even if William wasnt the entire Vanderboom family, the game still tells us to balance the substances of our past lives in Roots

With the sacrifices

[azure bay]

And It doesn't make sense eve if you fetch it

[rancid slate]

It probably is a similar thing to Enlightment which means anything

[azure bay]

I think otherwise

William balances his past life substance

But not the sacrifices

[rancid slate]

And then he gets enlightened

👽

[azure bay]

He at least valances his heart

At most other potential past lives in Samsara Room with another scales puzzle

[rancid slate]

SR also calls the rebirth enlightment

Seasons 1981 kinda also seems like BSPL (Balancing Substances of your Past Lives 👽)

But it is also some kind of Elixir?

Which can also give Enlightment

Me when almost everything is Enlightment 💥

BSPL is mostly related to CS, right?

Birthday, Theatre, Roots

If we consider Seasons and UB too, they also coincide

TWD kinda could be?

But I dont think it is

Bob simply has dreams, gets corrupted and then gets uncorrupted

[carmine field]

I remember TWD mentions "substances"

[honest brook]

In the Sarah White level, I think

[carmine field]

yep

Likewise, I also believe that sacrifices are the substance of William, based on a part of the level where it is literally written "balance the substance of your past lives" next to a drawing of the scale

[honest brook]

And then you literally balance the scales after that

[carmine field]

I think "enlightenment" most often refers to rising up in the wheel of Samsara, with the exception of Rose's case

[carmine field]

Yep

[visual coral]

BSPL is basically is how you uncorrupt a corrupted soul

It also seems to be a step to get enlightened
Unless you're a cheater with a liquid elixer i guess

[azure bay]

I don't. Where was it?

[honest brook]

On the PC in Sarah White's level

[azure bay]

what message?

ok, found it

yep, that seemingly confirms that "substances" are physical objects

however the sacrifices don't apply to this logic

I think only the heart is such there

[carmine field]

yes, the objects in the room

[azure bay]

I mean in general

The pistol, prozac, the mushroom

[carmine field]

How exactly?

[azure bay]

They have nothing to do with William while the rest of examples allegedly do

with their respective people

[honest brook]

Well, they are the body parts of William’s family members

[azure bay]

But not his and he didn't have them while being alive

[honest brook]

The pistol was also only used after Mr. Rabbit’s death, if the hotel achievement order is what actually happened

[azure bay]

A bad example because we have no idea what Rabbit's relation to it could be behind the scenes

And I expect something since he and Phrasant were coworkers

[honest brook]

I doubt the pistol was Ms. Pheasant’s before that

[azure bay]

And I'm sure of it

The rooms were personalized to a brim

[honest brook]

If it was hers, why would she shoot herself with it?

[carmine field]

Does being other people's really prevent them from being William's substances?

Even if he didn't obtain these items while he was alive, Bob also got one of his substances while he was a corrupted soul: a speaker. The only difference is that William is actually dead while Bob's condition is... pretty weird (he shot himself in the head, had his memories extracted and became corrupted).

Considering the symbolic character of the substances, I think that the sacrifices fulfilling the role of William's substance makes sense from a perspective in which the lineage is valuable to him.

[azure bay]

I am not convinced. Bob didn't die, he was simply overly depressed.

William was straight a ghost. His life was legit over and he wasn't able to be reborn

Besides the message appears only when we get his heart

And we balance it in Samsara Room alongside animals that could be considered his lives

[carmine field]

He may not have literally died, but Theatre still considers him to have switched realms and become a corrupted soul. I think it is useless to discuss this aspect because both cases have nuances that will make us stray from the point.

Anyway, that's the message.

[honest brook]

Actually, in Roots it does say “balance the substance of your past lives”, like there’s only one substance. It might just be a spelling mistake, but it might instead mean that the heart is indeed the only substance

[azure bay]

Yes, and guess what's inside. The heart!

[azure bay]

The phrase is set in stone. It always mentions the subtance in singular and lives in plural no matter the specifics

Dale is supposed to balance his past lives substances too while being guided by cubes. But we see only 1 life

[honest brook]

“Substance” is not in plural in that message. I’m agreeing with you

[carmine field]

Well, in Theatre, the Lady of the Lake says "balance the substance of my past lives" in singular

Even though there are four objects

This aspect of singular and plural is quite inconsistent

[floral mauve]

I mean not sure what does the lives plural mean for william

but for the lady probably cuz of her previous ones

pheasant and human part

[carmine field]

That's true

[azure bay]

We also have Dale reviewing only one of his lives during the journey

[floral mauve]

how exactly do we know the existence of others, like we are viewing his current life unless owl refers to it being his past after he got enlightened

[azure bay]

There are always others. Samsara just works

[floral mauve]

ye I know

I just mean

why would other ones appear for him to see

[azure bay]

Thet's the thing. The phrase always speaks of them in plural

The fact that one is enough makes it a bit less reliable

[carmine field]

In my view, "lives" should also not be taken literally

It could represent either past lives or different stages of the same life (as in Bob's case)

Just as a change of realm in the wheel also does not necessarily require the death of the individual

[rancid slate]

For me, being corrupted never meant being dead

[azure bay]

It may not but sometimes it does

[rancid slate]

And lives wouldnt mean lives too

[rancid slate]

👽 zip (yes)

[azure bay]

I'd say, they created a catch phrase and don't dare to change it.

But I still insist that life substance should be related to a person more than harvesting and storing organs for half a century

[rancid slate]

But if we consider each memory and each cube as a life, it kinda works

[azure bay]

Cube and memory are not interchangeable

[rancid slate]

what

[azure bay]

What is a unit of memory?

[rancid slate]

Use understandable words 🐈

[azure bay]

Ok

If we speak of memories by common definition, they are unreliable imprints in our heads

Whatever is stored in cubes is better than that

"every memory is a life" what does it mean?

What is a memory?

How do you divide them so you can use the word "every" for them?

[rancid slate]

Was any of the past lives stored inside cubes?

Besides Seasons

[azure bay]

Laura's cubes probably contain all the memories she ever experienced in all her lives

Unless they were extracted before

[rancid slate]

Do we see the baby, the heart, the shell or the heart stored each one individually in a cube?

I said heart twice

[azure bay]

Something like that was in Paradise. Caroline's cubes contained elements of her elixir

Some substances may be metaphorical

[rancid slate]

So the SPL can be both inside and outside cubes

[azure bay]

I still believe that everything is cubes

[rancid slate]

Then nothing matters

[azure bay]

Then everything matters

Even if we knew that the world is an illusion many would carry on as if nothing changed

It's not like we could change that

[rancid slate]

The initial question was if the Gun and Timepiece were equivalent 🐈

[azure bay]

I don't think they are in the way it matters

I'd expect Rabbit either to make pistol juice or change his past using it while the timepiece wasn't the thing that saved Laura in the end. It only hepled to get to Rose

[rancid slate]

*did nothing 👽

[azure bay]

Nope, it clearly did something

Even tho we can't know what exactly due to the game's vagueness

[rancid slate]

So for now its nothing

[azure bay]

That's too cynical for a headcanon guy like you

[rancid slate]

I dont know what cynical means but ok 🐈

[azure bay]

What we know for sure, Laura needed it and used it before she was able to go to The Lake and Rose

[rancid slate]

You could say like

The train only arrives at the right time

And thats why they needed it

Huh

[azure bay]

The problem is, there's no train and there is the timepiece

So It may've given her powers to go there, it may've shown her way there, it may've shown her way to Rose.

Options are numerous but the general direction is rather clear

[rancid slate]

Theres a train there

The black one or gray

[azure bay]

What I'm saying, the timepiece is real, the train is not

[rancid slate]

This made me think:

The Lake is timeless and breaking the Timepiece would be like breaking the time, going to a place with no time and at the same time all the times

[azure bay]

That's a nice interpretation.

I'd consider it plausible if the timepieces' magic was more clearly temporal

[rancid slate]

Not like literally breaking the time, but just in a metaphorical way just like most of the game is

[azure bay]

But what if the game had a different format?

[rancid slate]

Then it could be like Albert's masks

Sometime they work, sometime they dont

[azure bay]

A bad example. Albert's mask may work only when the wearer need them to

I think or at least I hope there's some consistent property to the timepieces. At least a new retrofited one that aligns with whatever they did in Roots

For instance, they were clearly connected to the grandchildren

[rancid slate]

What they did in Roots besides opening the gates?

[floral mauve]

thats the thing, we never know anything about it until UB

[azure bay]

They glew when the respective owner was entangled in roots

So I would guess that the timepiece led Laura to directly her mother

Which may be wrong

[rancid slate]

So if I break the Asura timepiece, my Rusty Laks gps will lead me to Frank

[azure bay]

But sounds good and grounded

[azure bay]

Maybe

[floral mauve]

how about something bigger, like fulfil the current desire or solve the current problem in a suggestive way

some fairy tale shit

[azure bay]

Seems too cool for such an object

I'd expect something like that from a golden cube or smth

[rancid slate]

What about the Timepiece doing the thing Rose told it would do

[azure bay]

It did not. Rose said it would protect her. There was nothing left to protect

[floral mauve]

thats why I said suggestive way not direct way like boom enlightened or something

[azure bay]

I don't think RL magic is that soft

[rancid slate]

I think Rose saying that was just so the player would care about it when losing to the thief

[azure bay]

I tend to take the notes literally because it's one of the few ways the devs can give us reliable exposition

I wouldn't assume deliberate misdirection with no damn good reason

[azure bay]

So?

[rancid slate]

Why did the Timepiece broke

[azure bay]

I see it as "it served its purpose".

Probably it was more it could handle

[rancid slate]

I mean

Laura didnt shattered it

We dont see her doing it

It shatters by itself

[azure bay]

Either its purpose was to shatter and do something cool in return

Or the purpose was too cool it couldn't handle it and shattered

[rancid slate]

It went Minecraft Clock in Nether mode and it shattered

[azure bay]

There has to be something we can't see with our eyes

[rancid slate]

It basically did a timeskip I think

Went so fast it broke

[azure bay]

It could be just a visual

Maybe something to imitate us setting the time of train arrival on previous stations

In that case it wouldn't make sense lore-wise

Unless the time we set was supposed to represent points in time of certain events

As I think about it, it probebly wouldn't make sense for the timepiece

And The Lake

I don't think the timepiece would speed time for real

And I don't think it would lead to The Lake

[rancid slate]

The time stops at 7:15, so if we see it in a very specific place that coincides with Soul Street, maybe it matters

[azure bay]

Nothing like that in previous games including those related to Laura

[rancid slate]

I mean like, in a future game

[azure bay]

I don't think it's justified enough to be expected seriously

[rancid slate]

Thats why the "if"

And the "maybe"

[azure bay]

Ok, I see

[rancid slate]

But if UB is actually just Cube Metro, then we could already be inside the Lake

[azure bay]

Hmm... I don't recall a time being that relevant ever

[rancid slate]

Yeah, I know

[rancid slate]

We have an elevator inside the Lake, I wouldnt mind an entire metro system that leads to "cubes" (not cubes) of all the people

And, atleast the normal train, kinda fits to the vibe of the games (old stuff)

[azure bay]

It simply doesn't look like "cube metro" in the sense I expected it.

For one, unlike the elevator, it wouldn't make sense. Too expensive, too useless, needs too much of explanation to fit into the universe.

So it's just Harvey accompanying Laura through her life. He's not a time traveller who tries to prevent something specific. He's not a detached watcher either. He both watches and does damage control like he belongs to that timeline

[rancid slate]

Cube Metro idea may have been changed because opening a door and seeing a cube is less cool than opening a door and seeing th actual station

And other reasons too

Like being more original, maybe

[azure bay]

Yes, they are trying out new ideas but it has nothing to do with cubes

Or dream simulation

UB is not Seasons nor TWD

Just a slice of Laura's life from a pov of a parent figure

[rancid slate]

It would be just like Seasons and SR (when changing rooms) but with a 20 seconds trains cutscene in between 💀

[azure bay]

Seasons are about "time travel"

UB is not

[rancid slate]

( )

In SR, when changing rooms, we see a cube floating and in Seasons too but cubes in plural

Thats what Im referring to

[azure bay]

Ok, but lore-wise these cutscenes represent what we call reality

Not memories or dreams

[rancid slate]

Because UB stations are not Cubes

Not anymore

[azure bay]

Or never were

[rancid slate]

Assumin it was some point in development

[azure bay]

I think the devlog reveals the devs' intentions well enough

A mix of 2 ideas

A subway as a representation of someone's life

And more info on Laura

They felt like making the 1st idea

And Laura heppened to be a good fit

[rancid slate]

Why is there a Harvey with a X in ur deep dive video tho

Do u still have a theory about the player not being Harvey

[azure bay]

I don't recall having such a theory

Since the demo it was rather straightforward

[azure bay]

It's about Harvey being an asura

Which he shouldn't

Too many points against

[rancid slate]

Imo he can just change between

He appears as an Asura in TPW Future

Even if is just an easter egg

[azure bay]

It's not just an easter egg

It's a UB teaser

Like little Laura on TV in Seasons

[rancid slate]

I know

But still

[azure bay]

And that doesn't make sense lore-wise, story-wise and logic-wise

[rancid slate]

Theres not a single point in-game(s) where they directly say Harvey cant change forms

[azure bay]

There is not a single point that directly says he can. And that what you should care about. That's where the burden of proof lies.

Harvey the asura died

He was resurrected personally by Owl

[rancid slate]

Animal Harvey appears in Paradise

[azure bay]

Owl struggles to sustain his own asura form

He wouldn't be able to create a new one

Then Harvey was shown exclusively as a parrot

Doing mostly parrot stuff

Like eating bird food

Shitting underneath

Being held in cages

Bringing eggs

Dude

A regular cardboard box is an obstacle for him

[rancid slate]

But then why would he be Asura again in TPW

[azure bay]

For the same reason why Laura would be small in Seasons

"be excited about a new game"

[rancid slate]

But then why would he be Asura again in TPW

👽

[azure bay]

That's not funny

Here's what IS funny

Samsara wheels in different games say that Harvey is an animal

Not an asura pretending to be an animal

So his appearance in UB and everything related to it is either yet another non-literal thing

Or a blatant retcon

Which would raise questions

At least questions

[rancid slate]

Human Aldous is human

Asura Aldous is Asura

Human David is human
Asura David is asura
Corrupted David is preta

[azure bay]

No, he's an asura, his anatomy is different. He can drink elixir and not die

[rancid slate]

Asura Harvey is asura
Animal Harvey is animal

[azure bay]

Here's a small thought experiment

[rancid slate]

Theatre wheel shows both human and asura Aldous

[azure bay]

No, it was The Cave and the context is different

There was a mural

About the elixir

[rancid slate]

Yeah, Cave

[azure bay]

Aldous was human only before he drank the elixir - that what the murals say

"Here's a human, here's an elixir, here's an asura"

[rancid slate]

The mural about the wheel has both

[azure bay]

I know and you take it out of context

[rancid slate]

The Elixir mural is about the Elixir

The Samsara wheel mural isnt

[azure bay]

It is. It indicates what picture is what on the previous mural.

[rancid slate]

If Harvey was once just a parrot, and then became Asura, theres nothing wrong with him becoming Asura again after maybe 1972

[azure bay]

William was human. He turned corrupted. Then he turned Laura the human then corrupted again.

Aldous was human, became an asura.

Every stage reflected on the wheel

[azure bay]

Maybe, but that's not what UB shows us

[rancid slate]

UB is UB

[azure bay]

If UB is UB you should be wise enough to doubt Harvey's asuraness too

[rancid slate]

But TPW isnt UB

[azure bay]

Unfortunately, it likely is in that sense

It teases UB

It doesn't have to have any in-lore meaning

[carmine field]

Cool idea, even if it is just symbolic

[azure bay]

Harvey in the mirror makes no more sense than little Laura on the TV

[rancid slate]

What about Mr Crow in the Past

[azure bay]

It's not a teaser but doesn't make sense either

Just a small funny easter egg

[rancid slate]

He was lookin for William but entered the wrong room

[azure bay]

We've never seen him indoor and the Vanderbooms have never seen him period

[rancid slate]

Now they did

Yay

[azure bay]

No

Why?

What changed?

[rancid slate]

And we do see him inside the house before James enters it

[rancid slate]

They are now more friendly with their family members

[azure bay]

And never after

Since it was inhabited

[rancid slate]

We see him

Inside Leonard

That clearly counts

[azure bay]

Dude, let it go

It's ok

Everything's gonna be fine

Harvey can be an asura

The devs are able to retcon that

The thing is, they are better not

[rancid slate]

If they do, basically nothing will change

The dead Harvey being like 10 pixels on the floor is almost invisible

[azure bay]

You don't say that. They will contradict the existing evidence and create a ton of plot holes

[rancid slate]

Oh no, not the plot holes

[azure bay]

That will make the universe objectively worse

[rancid slate]

Dead Harvey still is in Collection, right?

I didnt checked

[azure bay]

Nothing changed in that field

[azure bay]

If Harvey was always able to get a free power boost why the hell was he held back by a box? Why didn't he fight CS like a man asura 3 times?

[rancid slate]

Cuz Harvey is not the anime main character

He is the company aah npc

[azure bay]

A cheap excuse

[rancid slate]

The only that I would say about Harvey being asura in UB is not just the photos, but also the drawing in School street

[azure bay]

It can go far beyond that

Mostly due to secret content

[rancid slate]

You look funny

[azure bay]

With Harvey sailing boats and doing all The Lab stuff

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/unlocking-the-door-parrot-viralhog-opening-the-door-getting-the-door-open-gif-8903777758609790520

[azure bay]

You should know that would require actual physical strength

[rancid slate]

Google search can parrots sail boats

[azure bay]

Such big?

Instead of flying?

Are you kidding?

[rancid slate]

Well, there are no paddles

He just waited there and clicked the Hotel like 3 times so the boat went alone

[azure bay]

Instead of flying?

[rancid slate]

He was tired after collecting all the cubes

[azure bay]

We all better hope that UB and its teasers are nothing but a metaphor. Because the series walks on edge. What else would they ruin for immediate plot convinience? Golden cubes? Coin corruption? Characters knowing stuff they normally wouldn't?

[rancid slate]

Are they ruining it or your own conceptions of how things should work based on previous info are just being contradicted with new info

[azure bay]

They give clues. Sometimes they are obvious

The jibber-jabber about Aldous or Harvey bring both asuras and not is nonsensical if you think about it long enough

Let's suppose asuras can change their wheel state

It's ok as an assumption

The problems start with turning back

Humans and animals can't turn asuras without at least a sacrifice

And if they can, they are not humans/animals anymore

They are asuras pretending to be humans/animals

That's why animal Harvey on the wheels is a big deal

The golden cube in The Cave was transparent too

1st we had a long foreshadowing with Laura preserving William's elixir memories

Then we've got a book scheme with said memories marked with the elixir insignia resulting into a golden cube with the same one

Mr. Owl says that memories are needed for the full elixir

In Paradise Caroline's elixir is made of elixir memories too. Even in the book the theoretical result would be a cube

Therefore the golden cube is an elixir

TPW throws all that into trash. For some reason, the golden cube is now no different to any other memory cube and it's created seemingly effortlessly by catching "energy from the future"

And now we're left with questions

How the heck are these 2 the same thing?

How the heck is future energy is the elixir?

Is there some general rule we don't know?

Is it some cheap retcon?

Either way I think it's the devs' fault. They either miscommunicate or don't care

The coins corruption is a different kind of problems

They break the world

If you think about implications, it becomes obvious

The tradition of putting coins on the dead man's eyes is or was more or less wide spread

Corrupted souls are often a disaster

If they were produced by that often enough people would simply stop doing that long ago

And it has to be often cause otherwise Albert gambles with his plans

Imagine failing your resurrection simply for your CS's impotence

And finally, characters knowing stuff is the lesser sin here.
They often don't need explanation depending on how unusual their background is and whether it's their 1st appearance

We can accept Caroline knowing the lake better than Nicolas

We can accept Owl knowing some stuff too

Albert in tpw is a bit different story

The stuff he knows there is on another level

That seemingly surpasses every sage from before

Not only he created the golden cube that Mr. Owl was after for centuries

He used it not for temporary immortality but to break the reality itself

He's cooler than Owl without having his resources

He's cooler than Croline without having big gaps in the backstory

Unlike her, his knowledge can't be taken for granted because he clearly doesn't have it in the beginning

He needs one heck of justification

How would he learn all that while having William's journals at most?

And possibly even they were gone after James died

But if they weren't William's general expertise is still inferior to Mr. Owl's

Just like everyone else he was thinking inside the box of elixir and asura enlightenment

And Albert broke it

All these problems accumulate and bring a sad conclusion

The devs don't prioritize consistency

Either to a degree that they don't care to explain the seeming changes

To hint how Albert suddenly knows more than Owl, how golden cubes are the same, etc.

Or to a degree that there's no consistency at all

Like they are just doing stuff with no rules and limitations

And before we know it, a new golden cube will idk...

Cure cancer

No enlightenment, just cure cancer

[rancid slate]

"The memories are not only the key to the past but also to the future" seems like the general rule

[azure bay]

it's not a rule, it's a catch phrase with different meanings in different cases

it was literal in Hotel when Owl pulled out a white "prophecy" cube

it was figurative in Paradise where Caroline's memories were making Jakob's future

[honest brook]

Do you mean in Hotel?

[azure bay]

yes, thank you

[honest brook]

Although he does also say “we need them for our future” in The Cave as well

[azure bay]

which seems closer to Paradise

like these memories will be used to brew some elixir

which arguably happened if we consider the golden cube as a form of elixir

[rancid slate]

There are some possibilites for the White Cube in Hotel:

•"Lore wise" The CSs had this cube in the future, but as the Lake is timeless, it was just a normal good memory instead of a Golden Cube

•"Real" The devs didnt had the Golden Cube in mind until the Development of CE Cave, also explaining why we dont see Dale holding it during the elevator scenes

•"It would break the lore" Lets say that the Golden Cube = Future rule is in fact real and that the Devs had already that in mind when developing RL Hotel. If Mr. Owl got the Golden Cube to see the future in 1893, then why would he need another one in 1972? It would feel less special to the player for the Golden Cube to be this common. And I think thats kinda why TPW has it too: If it was just a regular White Cube, it would make sense? Kinda.. But it wouldnt feel special like "Omg we used an energy to create the Golden Cube omg!!"

.

Also maybe being "a key to the future" doesnt mean every future cube needs to be a Golden Cube

But that somehow only the Golden Cubes could contain very very very important stuff that could change things, leading to a different future of something or someone

The Beam from Mr. Owl and the 81 and 84 energies are kinda similar

Mr. Owl revives Harvey

The 81 energy defeats the CS of Laura, making she able to have a better life

And 84 energy creates the Golden Cube, which is used in the process of ressurecting Albert

81 energy also is related to Elixir

If we consider that qna

[azure bay]

What is "important stuff"? important for who?

[azure bay]

It's not just "energy" not even THE energy you are talking about (those magical light beams).

It's literally just electrical spikes coming from the computer

[rancid slate]

The 72 Golden Cube I think would contain stuff for all the 4 people there + The Lake itself and maybe even Harvey if thats how he turnz into asura again to make the easter egg in TPW "lore accurate"

While the TPW Golden Cube would contain the 84 in the hands of 26, each Rose helping each other to revive Albert and indirectly (?) help Laura

[rancid slate]

Doesnt Albert says that he used the energy from the future or something

[azure bay]

That what he says, but we know more

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/rusty-lake-gif-469656441537538768

[azure bay]

It's literally an electrical discharge of the cubical device

Future Rose made it sparkle

[rancid slate]

If the green gem is a called diamond than I think it is a diamond

[azure bay]

Listen, "energy" is too vague of a term. Technically these sparkles are energy. But there's nothing inherently special about them

And there's definitely nothing to tie them to the magical light beams

Especially considering that they were never properly named

Back to "important stuff"

I'm sure that tpw golden cube contained The Future because it was created from something from The Future.

There's nothing of sort in 1972

Even if Dale's golden cube contains something (which is uncalled for), we have no way to predict what it would be (because it's uncalled for)

It really looks like another form of elixir considering how it was made

And here's the funniest part

I have a theory how these 2 golden cubes could be the same

But that's it, a theory

A rationalization

An excuse

It doesn't really fix the problem

It helps to cope with it

But the problem stays

RL looks more and more inconsistent

and it's bad because best case scenario the devs simply fail to explain it

and worst case scenario, they just don't care

[rancid slate]

Its hard to make a perfect (no plotholes) series if you dont have everything planned and even if you do plan everything and manage to make it have no plotholes, it would still be hard to make a "good" story from beggining to ending

[azure bay]

the thing is, it's as if they aren't even trying

there are many problems I can recall

with most of the major games

[rancid slate]

Then send them the list so they will "fix" it just to make you happy

[azure bay]

you know better that it won't work

[rancid slate]

👽

Rustt Lake reboot

[azure bay]

before these problems with the games were simply points of confusion

like "I wonder what he meant"

[rancid slate]

Im pretty sure that are hundreds of "bad things" people used to do centuries ago and still do today

[azure bay]

dude, are you seriously trying to defend suicidal funeral practices with that?

[rancid slate]

He used the Rusty Lake dev mask and got all the lore info, thats why he knows everything

[azure bay]

what are you trying to do?

like for real

what's the intention behind these jokes?

[rancid slate]

Bro if I knew putting the coins on dead people eyes would make them go boogie mode, I would tottaly do that

[rancid slate]

To make them

[azure bay]

we have a Darwin Prize nominee

[rancid slate]

I think the verb "may" is supposed to mean possibility 👽

[covert wyvern]

I think this is probably where we'll conclude this particular conversation.

[azure bay]

@covert wyvern do you consider this take as part of it?

because it's constructive after all

[covert wyvern]

Those messages were sent at the same time; but I think in particular your Darwin award comment made me decide to step in.

I felt like you both may have lost the theorising plot.

[azure bay]

so we may continue?

[rancid slate]

We may have

[rancid slate]

A good thing to think about is how the story would go if Laura or the guests didnt corrupted when having their memories extracted

Would Laura have to go to Paradox anyway?

[covert wyvern]

If you both can find the thread back to theories (which seems to be the case)

Happy theorising:)

[azure bay]

thanks

[rancid slate]

Would the guests just stay dead

Then Dale's parents would still be alive too

Or atleast wouldnt die to Mr. Rabbit

[azure bay]

I see a problem with this. "May" is not good enough for a scheming genius. It's like building your master plan on whether or not you win a lottery

what would Albert do if the coins didn't work?

[rancid slate]

Mmmm

What does he do when gets corrupted?

He just hold the energy with his hands, right?

Not sure if Rose would be able to do that

[azure bay]

and possibly this corrupted souls somehow gets into The Future

[rancid slate]

She would just need to keep the corpse nearby for 6 decades💀

And also leave Laura by herself ig

[rancid slate]

Would Dale still become a detective?

[azure bay]

many think he wouldn't

[rancid slate]

If Birthday actually actually changes the past and we get more stuff about it, maybe we could know

[azure bay]

I think most of theorists agree that it doesn't

whether it's "just a memory" or a different reality

[rancid slate]

Would Mr. Owl's plan still work?

He doesnt need Dale to be a detective

[azure bay]

I assume he would need someone who could fix their cubes

[rancid slate]

It would be needed to Dale and Laura meet somehow

[azure bay]

the elevator journey seems to be a crucial part of the plan

[rancid slate]

Mr. Deer wouldnt be there to attack him

[azure bay]

with no Birthday massacre there's seemingly no purpose in it

[rancid slate]

Would the plan even exist? Part of it was to stop the CSs, which in this reality no longer are a thing, unless Mr. Owl isnt referring to just the Hotel guests but all CSs in the Lake

Would Mr. Owl even get the White Cube in Hotel?

[azure bay]

Owl would still need a successor

[rancid slate]

If in TPW, we technically play inside the Golden Cube

We could have another game playing inside or having a point where we access the 72 Golden Cube 👽

Just putting it in a square shaped hole seems too simple for me

[azure bay]

in TPW it was more like the golden cube was created around The Future.

And, as I said before, it was for a specific reason. The Future sent its "sample" into The Past. And there's nothing of sort in 1972. It was created like Caroline's elixir. A bunch of elixir elements from memories.

[rancid slate]

But I want to access the cube 🥺

And see William there

Just chilling

[azure bay]

if there's anything to access

which is debatable

[rancid slate]

I imagine Dale arriving in the morning and the Elixir being consumed at night similar to Paradise

Without the plagues

[azure bay]

I'm actually not sure whether it was the morning or the evening in Plague 10

the sky was red for sure

[rancid slate]

It was

Rusty

[azure bay]

And I'd like to see me some plagues

[rancid slate]

Considering Mr. Owl was last seen in the Cave, we would have to wait some time until he comes back

[azure bay]

but I assume with Owl's constant flow of memories they just don't stay for long anymore

[rancid slate]

Leaked concept art of the last Rusty Lakd game

Playing as Mr. Owl instead of Dale could kinda work

[carmine field]

I love how you just put Harvey's sprite and that's it

[rancid slate]

I thought it would be funny to have everyone super goofy and then one being ultra realistic

[carmine field]

Mr. Crow's expression is amazing

[bright rose]

"I need to Cube escape the Cave" emotional....
Also very cute tho the drawnin idk why

Lil dumbahh "concept" if rusty lake Made a game that It's totally focused on the forest

[rancid slate]

The only game to have no time period

It has all of them 🗣

[bright rose]

HELL YEA-🗣️🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[bright rose]

Idk what I made I think it's wrong tho if it's I don't care- (joke)

[rancid slate]

Least complex chronology image in Rusty Lake:

[bright rose]

Yeah

Lol

Some of them is kinda crazy like the underground blossom going to cube escape birthday because in chapter 2 we see that in the newspaper there's the murderer that happened in cube escape birthday

[bright rose]

So it's in the same era probably

[bright rose]

I forgot one thing guys

There ya go

[azure bay]

not bad, really.

I just want to point out that Seasons are like Birthday and Theatre. Not an original event but a person going back to memory cubes.

And I don't understand why TPW Future is before Cube Escape games as well as why Paradox is before Case 23.

[bright rose]

Yeah

[bright rose]

Well I kinda messed up because it wasn't had space so if the line is longer more the future is

And it was meant to paradox be after case 23 but for some reason it didn't fit so I had to put in the other side

And the tpw one is the same thing

I will try to remake next time

[azure bay]

I think Paradox would fit under The Cave just fine. They take place almost simultaniously

[bright rose]

The golden line represents after Dale got in the elevator
(Also I accidentally putted it on case 23 that this makes nonsense now I noticed lol😭)

[bright rose]

Yeah

I'm making a new one tho

[bright rose]

I was struggling to put the mill cuz I couldn't decide and also the text wouldn't fit on underground blossom so I had to hesitate into putting the cube escape season in

[azure bay]

wait. TPW Past takes place technically before Roots ending

[bright rose]

Wait

but how
Wait rose hadn't Laura yet?

[azure bay]

nope

only dead Albert

[bright rose]

Oh

So just how?

[azure bay]

what's the problem?

[bright rose]

I thought that when the corrupted soul got her she was going to that cubic thing somehow but now I've remembered

how the corrupted soul was Albert if Albert wasn't corrupted yet

So I think you're actually right

[bright rose]

It wasn't Albert or idk

[azure bay]

the thing is, The Past has no way belonging to the "main" timeline

Albert is not a problem

Rose is

[bright rose]

Oh

So it's like pretty close to the end of the roots right?

[azure bay]

9 years apart.

She escapes the cube before birthing Laura

[bright rose]

Oh

I need to fix my timeline now

[azure bay]

The Past is just like Bday/Theatre too

[bright rose]

Cool

This timeline it's too weird but it makes sense at the same time

I think that most of the timeline is ok

[azure bay]

I think it would benefit from arrow

[bright rose]

Also I can't count the chapter 6 (the lake) in the timeline because the lake don't have a time
No past and no future

[bright rose]

Thx

[rancid slate]

TPW Past takes in 1926, the year that Albert dies
Laura is born in 1935

I believe TPW Past went mostly the same as we play in the game, with the exception of all the alterarions by Future Rose

So basically Albert "woke up" corrupted (Maybe with the coins or by some other reason) and the ressurection plan was already set up. But first, Rose would need to make the Device better, so they got together again in Child Lane and kept testing for decades until TPW Future

The problem is that we only know that Albert got corrupted because of Future Rose telling Past Rose to put the coins in the eyes, so was Future Rose already part of the main timeline?

It is possible that yes, TPW Past is entirely part of the main timeline somehow

With the ending of both Roses becoming the Tree being basically spiritual

I think thats the only way that can happen and still be part of the main timeline

Cuz we all know if Rose is gone, then theres no Laura

Unless ther Corrupted Soul that we see in The Lab secretly isnt Albert but William 👽👽👽👽

[rancid slate]

I would consider Lake Station as after the ending of TPW or at the same time 1981

[bright rose]

So it's after the past within ending?

[rancid slate]

Yeah

The Roses become a Tree and then in UB their blossom goes to Laura

The Lake is timeless but it still has some kind of "which events happen in order"

[royal notch]

I don't think the coins can corrupt. I see that warning as an actual warning for the player in the past, basically getting him ready to what's going to happen. The coins are just a "time" input.

[rancid slate]

Coins do have some kind of power I think, as we use them in CE The Lake and to open the Gun box

[honest brook]

With the box I thought it was just like a key or something, or some sort of mechanism

[royal notch]

Me too.

[azure bay]

there's no reason to doubt the tree. Even UB has a story core that has to happen despite all allegories

[rancid slate]

Doubt the Tree?

[azure bay]

thinking it's something non-literal

it's not even the tree which is the problem

it's the double cube escape that preceded

Albert said enough about it

and it has a rather clear mechanism

[rancid slate]

I dont doubt the Tree itself

Just the body of Rose

[bright rose]

Oh in the ending of the past within the past & future rose turns into a tree idk blossom

[rancid slate]

Yes, a tree with blossom

[azure bay]

what with it?

[rancid slate]

You ressurrect your father after years of work

And then now you belong to the Lake

And never see your father again

[azure bay]

so?

[rancid slate]

The game says that their soul will blossom

So the body could still be outside the Lake maybe

[azure bay]

I don't doubt it. But it has to be comatose

the minds went into the cubes

and were sucked in deeper and deeper

until they broke out

[bright rose]

Wait
Blossom means reincarnate or turn into a random pink or white blossom dark oak tree-

[azure bay]

could be both

reincarnate into a black tree

[bright rose]

Oooh

[rancid slate]

Blossom means blossom 👽

[bright rose]

Cool

I wanted to be a tree /joke

[bright rose]

Hmmmm
It can mean blossom too

[rancid slate]

Mr. Rabbit turned only into leaves

[bright rose]

Yeah in the end of ce:birthday

[rancid slate]

Roses became the Tree

[azure bay]

but "just reincarnate"... not in Rose's case for sure. Technically not in Laura's either but seems closer

[rancid slate]

And Laura mostly lived again

[bright rose]

Now Laura will become a tree?

Or she will reincarnate?

[bright rose]

Oh

[rancid slate]

She said that she can see the blossom

• The Lake now belongs to her 💥

[azure bay]

doesn't look like either

[rancid slate]

And Rose said that Laura can still blossom

[bright rose]

So she still can blossom
And I think that Laura have a final dialogue before she leave into the "woods" (inside the lake... HOW A FOREST IN INSIDE A LAK-)

[rancid slate]

The Forest has always been inside the Lake

[bright rose]

It's like something that she will reincarnate
Ill play underground blossom again to see bcs I don't remember 😭

[bright rose]

Yeah

[azure bay]

nah, she still looked like herself

[bright rose]

Wait
If the paradise is an island
Than the "hell" is inside the lake?

[rancid slate]

For now, the ending of UB seems to just be the Seasons ending but from a different pov

[bright rose]

I'LL MAK- I mean
Oh now I understand

[rancid slate]

Hell, Naraka, the Red part of the Forest seems to be either an upper part of the Forest or something else like the state of suffering

[bright rose]

The red forest
I called the cursed forest tho

[bright rose]

I think that forest appears on cube escape seasons, theatre(as a painting and a part of the show), probably the cave in that part of the lights that we see the red forest and idk

[azure bay]

UB

[rancid slate]

And UB too

Dream segment

[bright rose]

Oooh

On Laura's dream

I think that part of the forest is like the pale garden from Minecraft tho
Idk why we just have the photos of it but not an actual reason why it exist, it's probably like an twister version of the lake forest
And the freaking jumpscare from cube escape seasons of the mushroom-

[azure bay]

we have no idea

not even sure it's a separate concept

[bright rose]

The mushroom one actually take me off guard when I played as a kid

[rancid slate]

I used to assume both black and red forest were the same until Tree Rose

[azure bay]

what did she change?

[rancid slate]

Not that she changed

I thought it was the same place

But then I saw Tree Rose

And now my thought changed

[azure bay]

I mean what did she change about your thoughts?

[rancid slate]

It doesnt look like hell to me

Seems like the opposite

[azure bay]

honestly, it never really seemed to me

some argue that the guests are living in hell but that's a bit stretched

and we don't know enough of the forest being red to draw any additional hell conclusion

[rancid slate]

We basically never saw the red forest

[azure bay]

or we possibly did and it just wasn't red

[rancid slate]

It was

Green

[azure bay]

rather equally red, green and blue

rgb jokes yaaay

[rancid slate]

Guys do yall remember when Nowhere was the first to find the secret green forest in UB? That was so good, man

[bright rose]

this is the paradise forest fr

[honest brook]

I personally think that the "hell" in Rusty Lake isn't a physical place, but rather a mental state

[bright rose]

Like cube escape seasons or paradox?

[rancid slate]

Paradise isnt Heaven in Rusty Lake too

[bright rose]

Ik

[azure bay]

Seasons aren't mental

[bright rose]

It's memories

Dang

I forgor

[azure bay]

I'd say, "memories"

[rancid slate]

Seasons, the last game in chronological order before TPW 👽

[azure bay]

The whole series is a glorified Seasons prequel

[rancid slate]

🗣

And then the devs make a new game that takes place in 1987

Omg

Albert is Purple Guy

He is the man behind the slaughter ‼️

Vanessa is Rose

I wonder why they chose the year of 1984

[bright rose]

Yeah

[azure bay]

The big brother sister was watching through a peephole

[rancid slate]

I also wonder in which year Laura gets the white hair

[bright rose]

Probably in 20XX

[azure bay]

I think some time after 1985?

at least early stages

she would be 46 in 1981

[bright rose]

Damn hmm

But she looked like she had some 60 or 70 on paradox so it would be...

[rancid slate]

Rose starts to look old at her 50s

[azure bay]

old-ish

[rancid slate]

Future Paradox tho

[bright rose]

At least she is lucky because I'm an adolescent and I have those back hurt idk how the fu

[bright rose]

Yeah

[rancid slate]

[bright rose]

[rancid slate]

Bald Laura

[bright rose]

Skibidi Laura?

😭💀

[rancid slate]

Funny how there doesnt seem to be any clues of what Dale does after 1972

[azure bay]

for the human world he's as good as dead

[rancid slate]

Like he never existed

[azure bay]

like Aldous at his time

[rancid slate]

Laura will be at the living room

And then

Ding dong

Someone at the door

She opens it

And theres a small boy

-Hello, how can I help you?

-Hello I am Jimmy Vandermeer

And then he explodes

Also how can Laura have a happy life while being the lady of the lake

[azure bay]

ignoring your duties makes one hell of a happy life, y'know

[rancid slate]

Shes not doing her daily tasks

Maybe Dale will change the rules when he becomes Deva

[azure bay]

he probably won't in the cube where she never died

[rancid slate]

And he will send Fish Jakob to all realities

Thats why hes almost everywhere

Thats the lore explaination

100% true

[azure bay]

flying fish god from the chinese theorist community

[silk pilot]

Oh, I never thought the fandom could keep going

[floral mauve]

no

its from me

[azure bay]

but do they believe in that?

[floral mauve]

no

[azure bay]

fine

[floral mauve]

me

[rancid slate]

Shrimp Aldous

[azure bay]

sheesh, what would happen to us?

[rancid slate]

Erased from existence by Sarah

[silk pilot]

Only the future can

[azure bay]

the future is never born, it's not even future, as they say

[silk pilot]

Haha, I love the reference

[rancid slate]

Sarah White Door when Mike Black Window walks in

[silk pilot]

I've actually began replaying some of the cube escape games bcz of nostalgia

[azure bay]

SamSarah White Door*

[silk pilot]

Tho... It always gives me the Shivers

[azure bay]

what was the latest game you played?

[silk pilot]

Underground Blossom. I finished it at school because of boredom

Although it was interesting

But doesn't quite helps me understanding more about the lore

Or maybe I've forgotten a lot since I've played Roots

[azure bay]

it was blunt about 1 crucial thing though

[rancid slate]

Underground Blossom serves to introduce the new main character

The Thief

[azure bay]

why Laura was depressed to death

[rancid slate]

And that too

[silk pilot]

True, I've seen that show's different events in each passing years

[azure bay]

but Rose is still the key

[silk pilot]

As many games try to tell us

She's incredibly mysterious, yet, it still bothers me we don't have a movie about Rusty Lake. It would've helped a lot understanding some things

[azure bay]

I mean... She's literally the reason why Laura's inherently sad

[rancid slate]

I would like a Rusty Lake movie that every scene is a different time period and none of them are in order

[silk pilot]

True. But something about Paradise and Roots seem connected

I'm not sure if i should count Hotel as well

[rancid slate]

Hotel is more connected to Paradise than Roots

[azure bay]

like, direct prequel

[silk pilot]

Oh, right, because of Paradise's ending

By the way, i just noticed something, tho i needed to know it's true

Does Frank have a daughter? Because i remember seeing a picture of him and Rose

[azure bay]

what picture?

describing would be enough

[silk pilot]

I think it was this

Although i don't understand the "Albert" should he be called Frank?

[azure bay]

what does it have to do with Frank?

[azure bay]

Frank was the well child

[silk pilot]

Oh, really? Jeez. It been... 3 years since i played Roots

Sorry for the misunderstanding

[azure bay]

and this is Albert, yes. And Rose is his daughter

[silk pilot]

Was she the baby from the lab?

[azure bay]

exactly

[silk pilot]

Oh, this makes so much sense

I just thought the child was some type of illusion

Tho, the way he created her is really... Unique

[azure bay]

I'd say it's rather normal

no trees or flowers involved

[silk pilot]

Right... So we won't be talking how Emma got pregnant by some flower

[azure bay]

well... some think it's a cruel allegory

but personally I don't feel like it is

[silk pilot]

Or who knows how the RL universe really works like

It's either reality or fantasy

Either way, they don't seem to fit in the way they should be

[azure bay]

I wouldn't call it fantasy. It could be gameplay, symbolism, dream, devs' joke or what else. But we've never seen characters daydreaming

[silk pilot]

Oh, you got a good point

But we can't tell if all this might be an effect from a drug

Tho some of the past events could just be traumatic memories

[silk pilot]

And we know who has those

[azure bay]

I don't recall the games featuring hallucinogens either

[silk pilot]

True, I never saw this type of effect before

[azure bay]

some casual madness yes

[rancid slate]

If the hour when Laura dies in Sorrow Cross (19:55) was the same as in Seasons Fall 1971 (11:25), then I think the hours could actually matter somehow

[azure bay]

it's not death, it's train departure

if it matters, it matter for Harvey

[rancid slate]

We see Dale finding the body and in Case 23 it sure is night, so being very creative Id say 19:55 was the time Dale arrived

[azure bay]

or for them actually

[rancid slate]

Also

In Paradise

Hail Plague

There is that rock with 4 symbols

Were they used for something?

[azure bay]

one of them is the chapter's symbol

also that rock can be found in the submarine section of The Cave

[rancid slate]

Huh

Just searched

Theres also Mr. Deer apparently

[azure bay]

yep

and none else

that isn't normal progression or an achievement

[rancid slate]

Gotta see it by myself

Erm guys

What if

What if the rock appears in the Mammoth game

That would be very cool

Right guys

🦣

The cavemen would explain to us the meaning of each symbol

already known

[azure bay]

I guess? Can't really imagine how it could happen though. Something tells me the symbols were rather added by the cultists

[rancid slate]

Maybe instead we use the symbols

[bright rose]

Prozac?

Wait ur saying about Laura or vandermeer?

[rancid slate]

Carving it on the rocks

[azure bay]

About Emma

[bright rose]

= past
= present
= future

[bright rose]

Oooh

[rancid slate]

Future symbol isnt on the rock

[azure bay]

by the waaaaaaaay. Where are 6 other cubes?

[silk pilot]

No, I was talking about the games in general

[bright rose]

Hmm

[silk pilot]

Would they have different meanings?

[bright rose]

The 6 others?

[bright rose]

I meaning that those symbols are from paradox

Remember

That part of that book

[silk pilot]

Still remember them from the small film

[bright rose]

In chapter 1 or the short film

[bright rose]

Yeah

[azure bay]

I know nothing, they are shown together!

[bright rose]

the green vial for some reason idk what it makes but it makes Dale fall asleep/coma idk to sacrifice himself to the lake I think

[silk pilot]

Despite the past, present, and future, they could have different meanings like a person or an important object

[azure bay]

*caugh-caugh* die

[bright rose]

||the blue vial idk the one who turns into a corrupted soul somehow||

[bright rose]

Fr 😭

[silk pilot]

Uh-oh, chapter 2

[bright rose]

the red vial make Dale coughs as fu-nk until he spit a key

this vial is kinda sus tho

[bright rose]

It's red

[azure bay]

in the comic book it's depicted to be in his stomach as if it was there from the start

[bright rose]

This is why it's sus

[bright rose]

Yeah

[silk pilot]

What if... Someone made him swallow the key while he was unconscious and the liquid made him like vomiting the whole key out without a mess

[azure bay]

well, Paradox is an actual dream. I don't think they had to force anything like that

[silk pilot]

Well, the film explains it all

[azure bay]

what do you mean?

[silk pilot]

The short film?

[bright rose]

Bro why there's three or four forests in the game???
First:the forest inside the lake
Secondly:the red forest that goes my_favorite_music.mp3
Thirdly:the forest in Laura's dreams
And finally fourthly:the forest "island" in paradox

[azure bay]

I mean what does it explain?

[bright rose]

That makes sense

Cuz he is in his own paradox

Every time in the end he see the cube

And goes back in

The same place

Always

[silk pilot]

The fact he left the room and behind him was just a door without walls or anything in the outside

[azure bay]

I think the paradox is rather Dale seeing himself

[bright rose]

Yeah

Kind of I think

[azure bay]

it's literally a paradox

[rancid slate]

How this rock went so far from the island 😭 Mr. Owl hates this rock in specific

[azure bay]

going back in "time" in not necessarily that

[rancid slate]

First and Fourth are the Lake Forest, second and third are Naraka

[bright rose]

Yeah

[rancid slate]

Laura is also there

[bright rose]

Mr crow:hmm... We could do a prank with it-