Producing-Beginners Feedback

[thick viper]

I noticed that i mostly have to say alot when giving ppl feedback about their tracks so I wanted to create this seperate thread. Here you can upload your audio files and I will try to listen to them and give some feedback on how to improve your songs. This won’t be any DAW specific feedback, as most ppl use FL Studio and i don’t, so its just gonna be general stuff. Of course you can give each other feedback too.

[void bough]

Heres the original song
https://open.spotify.com/track/7aB3B4I5LS1ZTCNPtqmJtq?si=b3e87daa74214ab3

Heres my remix
i hope you wont get tinnitus
gl
i already know a lot of stuff thats terrbile / needs fixing, but there might be stuff you find i dont

Have fun

[thick viper]

Im noticing some tempo changes or something that kinda breaks the flow of the song, eg when u have the first drop. Also some events sound kinda random, like the vinyl windup stop right after the hardbass part or the overuse of the original vocals (maybe its a bit annoying?). Maybe bringing more structure into the song could make it easier to listen but I still think you could make it somewhere with this.

[wild plank]

i appreciate your post. Would love some actual feedack. In the producing and producing beginners threads i 9/10 times don't get feedback, let alone a reaction at all.

I have a fragment of a project (still WIP). I would like the mid-intro to sound a little less muddy. The frequencies in the bass modules have no conflict with the kick. Yet I hardly hear the tail of the kick. Any ideas?

[thick viper]

Im currently in school lol imma review ur project later if thats alright

[wild plank]

anytime

[void bough]

It has tempo automations, original song is in 160 but since its uptempo remix the drops all are in 200. The song has structure. 16 bars extended (didnt include) , 16 bars intro, 32 bars drop , then melody & buildup is 40 bars and then another 32 bars with kick and 8 outro

I put the vinyl needle thing and the vocal straight after it as a fake drop/anticlimax thingy

But if its annyoing on the ears i might change it

[thick viper]

Its not the general structure, but when a kick starts, it eg starts at the 4/4 of a bar and not on the 1/4 which makes some passages out of place

[void bough]

Aah yeah

Didnt think about that

That might have to do with tempo changes?

[thick viper]

Just make the while song in 200 or if u want to include the hardbass part do that first and then make a clear, long (riser maybe) transition to indicate that ur now in the uptempo part

And if ur using the hardbass part in the uptempo part u have to speed it up ofc

[void bough]

Cant i record the samples in the tempo i need and then reuse them in a project that is only 200 bpm

instead of automations that can be tricky?

And what about everything else

Kicks, screeches, whatever etc

[thick viper]

U mean how i think about it? Or the tempo issue

[thick viper]

Beautiful composition with the arp at the beginning together with the hits…but the quick melody drop surprised me. Cuz there was no riser or so at all. Like, i thought u wanted to present the melodey and then instantly went for a drop. Interesting, but idk if necessary. Cuz u have the kick section right after maybe let the melody play one time and then use a snare for the riser or so. For the kick section, your lead is pretty raw, which i like, but then the kick interferes with it. I think the sub bass on the tail is clear and gives me some angerfist vibes too. I think the problem is the thok cuz ur lead is raw snd the thok too those kinda interfere with each other. To fix that i would rather change the synth than the kick maybe add some higher layers so it doesnt only play in the lower frequencies which are occupied by the kick( maybe use that synth u used for the melody and stack that ontop?) For the final buildup where u have that (idk what to call it-) beat part, perhaps u could add a low pass filter to the melody and only when the melody plays u hear everything and in between u just hear the muffled chords and pads. To your problem within the mid intro can u tell me a time-mark so i can listen again? It might be that my speakers are tuned for bass but other than what i already wrote above i dont hear any conflicts with the tail

Also if u want i can add a list of some minor things that i would maybe change

But i dont wanna ruin ur personal style

Its still your music

[wild plank]

but the quick melody drop surprised me. Cuz there was no riser or so at all

yeah, i didnt change that yet. now the first kick just hits instantly. Maybe not use a snare, but keep the kick, but start with one every four notes. i want to build it up. Exactly how you suggest it.

To fix that i would rather change the synth than the kick maybe add some higher layers so it doesnt only play in the lower frequencies which are occupied by the kick( maybe use that synth u used for the melody and stack that ontop?)

Thanks, i've been thinking about that. I'm afraid i'll lose the 'dark' vibe when bringing more high layers. Definitly going to play with that.

For the final buildup where u have that (idk what to call it-) beat part, perhaps u could add a low pass filter to the melody and only when the melody plays u hear everything and in between u just hear the muffled chords and pads.

Gonna try that too. Sounds like something that could work.

To your problem within the mid intro can u tell me a time-mark so i can listen again?

0:39 - 1:05

Thx for replying.

[thick viper]

Ok i see what u mean, that you dont hear the tail, well for my speakers the sub bass actually fixes that so u kinda have like a ghost reverb but for smaller speakers it wouldnt sound that great ig. Maybe use a seperate synth for the tail and shorten the actual kick to the thok?

[wild plank]

yeah in my car it sounds great too, any other speaker it just sounds rubbish

[thick viper]

U know what ur synth reminds me of? This: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cIto6qzW0Mc

Anyways im trying to find an example for a different synth that still fits ur general vibe of the song, but doesnt interfere with the tail. Have u tried listening to the tail alone? Maybe u can do that and then tweak a bit

Or if u dont want to change the synth u can maybe use a kick like this: so u can put the sub bass on the actual thok cuz u dont have to worry so much about the reverb / tail :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y3BiQF8xDg

1:06

[void bough]

what u think about it

[wild plank]

@thick viper
Haha, yes. Didn't know this soundtrack, but i see what you mean

The angerfist kick is really cool, but idk if i could pull that off technicly

Also reminds me of a kick that Scarra uses in a lot of his tracks

https://open.spotify.com/track/043607waUXtTCk0Xb2Jynz?si=xx5d9joWTS2ufBUi38XrYQ&utm_source=copy-link

0:42

[thick viper]

During the second hardbass part, maybe the screeches could be louder? So they add some if the uptempo atmosphere into the hardbass part and during the mid part theyre kinda going under in the kick

[thick viper]

can u send yt link me not have spotify :/

But ig u mean the kick after the fake drop…hell yeah

[wild plank]

https://youtu.be/OQj47sTQVdQ

[void bough]

Thanks
Back to work then

[thick viper]

0:39?

[wild plank]

Yes

[thick viper]

Back in school

[thick viper]

Extracted it idk if u wanna use it (or if youre even allowed to)

Duh why cant you add files on ios

*anymore

:(

[wild plank]

idk either

rather find out how to make myself

[thick viper]

I respect that, but i like to get things done fast as i dont really have much free-time https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QK_0sCBaKw8&t=65s

Seems like a nice arsenal to me

[thick viper]

Also fyloh has some kick tutorials too

[wild plank]

I'll take a look

I managed to make a screech, haven't got the time yet to balance it as a whole, so just for the idea:

[thick viper]

Intro with melody sounds nice, i think the screech could be a but sharper? So that it, like cuts off earlier so when the next screech hits, theres room for that otherwise they would kinda merge together and it wont sound like a screech anymore. Also, i miss some sub bass on the kick in that section, but if wanted to fix that later its fine

[void bough]

Learning how to make samples yourself is probably the best move, at some point trying to recreate your favorite sounds from other djs you create your own sound and own style. The best part about being able to make your own kick, is that its your own kick AND it sounds exactly the way you want.

Making samples depend from person to person, some learn fast some take time. I learned pretty fast how to make nice variety of uptempo kicks but it took me a long long time to make a half decent gated kick.

[thick viper]

The problem is, im still a bit new to producing. And when i eg work/mainly concentrate on the melody, i dont want to deal with things like a kick. For these occasions i use pre made samples. Ofc it is better to make your own kicks but sometimes you just want smth done so u can focus on smth else

[void bough]

I get you, but if its a hobby for you like it is for other, theres all time in the world and you dont need to rush it..

Sure you want to have something done, but the feeling of having a perfect sample on a track is the best

and if you know how to make good samples, you also learn how to make them fairly quick

for example, the song i sent to you, i searched through 17 kicks of mine and chose those that i liked the most and thought would fit the theme of the song the most. But in the end i wanted one more kick and i couldnt find any that would fit, the other ones i had were either to techy , too agressive if thats a thing, or just not "the one". I just opened my kick project file and within two hours i had a new kick that i was satisfied with.

[wild plank]

right?! I'v used maybe 1, 2 premade kicks, ever. Same goes for leads n stuff.
The only things i don't bother making myself are some FX, snares and stuff. I tweak some

[void bough]

Yeah but snares and stuff will often sound the same, its hard to get a snare to sound very different than other snares to the point where people will notice

[wild plank]

So update: Midintro new screech

[thick viper]

U sure this is the same song? Cuz now it adds a whole new vibe

Haven’t listened to it with bass yet but it sounds more… idk, natural?

[wild plank]

ofc it's the same song lol. only changed the sort of acid to a proper screech

[thick viper]

wait

wait

wait

wait

This is waht i got when i first listened to it

what is this

[thick viper]

btw love the sidechain

[wild plank]

My bad! Wrong project lol

This the right one

[thick viper]

sounded great tho

[worldly mortar]

Yo Moin Dudes 🙂 if you have time let me know youre feedback on my newest track you guys awesome ❤️

https://on.soundcloud.com/hTpTF

[thick viper]

Well, im not very familiar with this genre and i dont know if its my style, but for me those songs are a bit difficult to listen, as it doesnt seem to really have some structure. Again these are my personal thoughts and those are based on my personal preferences. Maybe @void bough can say a bit more about ur song than me, i think u guys are interested in the same genre

[void bough]

Yeah structure is a big thing, song is nice, the screeches and fx's are nice. Panning pn vocals and fx's is also cool. Kick choice is interesting, but biggest thing that stood out was that when i listened there was no clear line between heres a drop and heres a buildup. The first drop has a clear buildup but thr others dont and that kinda got me lost inbetween. Also ive heard no clear drums? Like hats crashes rides etc, and those are really really usefull to make buildups and drops stand out.

If u want to make remixes of rock/punk/metal etc id really recommend something like Iridium, Chaotic Hostility or Berzärk. They have nice heavy metal remixes/elements and that way u can have a good comparison to how they use and include drum loops from heavy metal or so

[void bough]

Im not that good either in this genre, altho i know bits and pieces, the good people here are like madra , equal 2 , d1tz , madmize ,and even mr freq

[void bough]

After listening to it a few more times, i must say the first drop slaps, the song grows on me lol

[thick viper]

i couldnt give those recommendations

[void bough]

But we all can still see issues and good stuff no matter the genre so you can still help

like miss

She does euphoric but people send her uptempo anyways

[worldly mortar]

You are really ingenious hahaha
Yes the problem with the 2nd buildup - break - drop I also noticed unfortunately I found "yet" no suitable way :x

btw yes there are actually hardly to no hats, crashes, rides included but that was deliberate I found the project so exciting :/

But you are really great people thanks for your detailed feedback maybe I still create sometime a cool 2nd break/drop

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU @void bough @thick viper

[thick viper]

No problem

[void bough]

No problem, GL I am interested where you will go on from here

[worldly mortar]

i like to keep you up to date 😄

[worldly mortar]

If I have a chance that someone hears this then please let me know your opinion
https://soundcloud.com/grobisick/magic-trick

[thick viper]

Not my style, but heres some things i heard: I liked the kick in the intro, the kinda raw style kick in the drops surprised me a bit. Also around min 2 the tracks sounds a bit powerless, because of lack of a melody or synth/screech/whatever.

Wait a goddamn second

Ive read the comments on Soundcloud dont tell me ur german bruh

[worldly mortar]

sure german :x

[thick viper]

Ich finds immer wieder lustig, wenn man mit jmd auf discord endlos lang auf englisch redet obwohl beide deutsch sind

[worldly mortar]

ja das stimmt ;D weiß nur nich wie die DC regeln sind will ja niemand veraergern xD

[thick viper]

Ja klar back to englisch ig

Gn gotta get some sleep rn

[radiant vale]

https://on.soundcloud.com/HwNJ7o6BtqN5Yc9fA
My first SoundCloud upload, feedback would be appreciated!

[thick viper]

it private?

[radiant vale]

Ehhhh no don’t think so

Could it be copyright striked or something?

[thick viper]

maybe? it says its not available, either private or deleted

[arctic lake]

Now it's gone

[thick viper]

:(

[arctic lake]

The embed seems to play it tho

Oh, the link is just broken

https://soundcloud.com/innov8dj/i-am-techno-innov8-edit

This works

[thick viper]

O.O

[arctic lake]

So it looks like @radiant vale changed their Soundcloud username after generating that initial Soundcloud link

From gkose to innov8dj

[thick viper]

hecker

[radiant vale]

Ahhhh yes that could be it hahaha

Mystery solved

[worldly mortar]

This hall feeling in the whole track grows on me xD the first Drop and first Kicks true rly nice