RT pipeline init feels a lot like initial vulkan init
#Rosy
dark saffron
api is smelly
cloud rivet
it's a real slog
cloud rivet
finally
I have created a blas, and no vvls
following sascha's example led to VVLs
the tlas should be easier now that I have all the things to build an acceleration structure
cloud rivet
tlas was ezpz
2.5 days for the first one, second one < 30 min
now for the pipeline
the first day was understanding just what all I had to build and what it did
and looking through all the structs
and then setting up the code to have a RT pipeline at all and be able to build it
as I was going through it I realized that while it all looked similar it was all different enough to need new helper methods
anyway
none of it works, but I am creating and destroying the things without VVLs
oh and I have to do the new descriptors thing
the descriptor for the AS is passed in as a pNext to descriptor set
and the shaders are bound completely differently
cloud rivet
I bet Sascha's don't VVL since he's declaring VK 1.1
cloud rivet
ok shaders done, pipeline done
I need to add the descriptor set and then build the render graph for it
I'm going to do that tomorrow, day 4
after this RT nonsense I'm going to work on my CPU software rasterizer for a bit and actually do something fun and not think about vulkan stuff for a minute
cloud rivet
Actually I will do mesh shader then work on my cpu raster
bronze socket
the kind with 4 sides?
bronze tendon
very rare triangle
cloud rivet
it's a sign of good luck when you find one
cloud rivet
the kind with 4 sides?
I should have written a new way to render a triangle :P
cloud rivet
VkStridedDeviceAddressRegionKHR is so weird
like wtf
for shaders
why
I already bound the pipeline
that has the shaders
what is the explanation
I have to create VkShaderModuleCreateInfo
I have to create VkPipelineShaderStageCreateInfo
I have to create VkRayTracingShaderGroupCreateInfoKHR
I pass these into the pipeline:
pl_create_info.stageCount = 3;
pl_create_info.pStages = shader_stages;
pl_create_info.groupCount = 3;
pl_create_info.pGroups = shader_groups;
why do I additionally have to pass a shader binding table?
are we absolutely sure the device doesn't have all the information it needs?
lets give it some more, sure
whatever
this is the last piece
I just don't understand what shader group handles are I guess
honestly, missed opportunity to have at least 5 more structs to describe the shaders, I should be lucky it's only 4
In a rasterizer we can batch objects by the shader they use and thus always know the set of shaders which must be called to render a set of objects. However, in a ray tracer we don’t know which object a ray will hit when we trace it, and thus need the entire scene available in memory (or some proxy of it) along with a function to call for each object which can process intersections with it. Our ray tracer needs access to all of the shaders which might be called for the scene, and a way to associate them with the objects in the scene. Each of the RTX APIs implements this using the Shader Binding Table.
The Shader Binding Table contains the entire set of shaders which may be called when ray tracing the scene, along with embedded parameters to be passed to these shaders. Each pair of shader functions and embedded parameters is referred to as a Shader Record. Since it’s common for geometries to share the same shader code but access different data, the embedded parameters in the record can be used to pass such data to the shaders. Thus, there should be at least one Shader Record in the table for each unique combination of shader functions and embedded parameters. It is possible to write the same shader record multiple times in the table, and this may be necessary depending on how the instances and geometries in the scene are setup. Finally, it is also possible to use the instance and geometry IDs available in the shaders to perform indirect access into other tables containing the scene data.
ok ok
that article is great
ok ok I get it
too may rays bouncing around hitting different things and you have to have all the shaders all at once
the Sascha example is a contrived single triangle example that doesn't really help at all with understanding RT, it's just a the minimum struct spam required to get a triangle
which I totally appreciate
but I get that it isn't even explaining a little bit about what any of this is for
I just want the triangle now, I'll figure it out later
you look at this example code and you could just copy and paste it in a few minutes and get it to work, but I have been going through it for days now building each struct, trying to understand how it works, it takes time
cloud rivet
that was kinda hellish
this is with slang shaders
I will try vcc tomorrow
I did this with my miss shader to get that background
struct Payload
{
float3 hitValue;
};
[shader("miss")]
void main(inout Payload p)
{
float3 rayDir = normalize(WorldRayDirection());
float r = (rayDir.x + 0.75f);
float g = (rayDir.y + 0.75f);
float3 bgColor = float3(r, g, 0.5f);
p.hitValue = bgColor;
}
had no idea what I was doing
cloud rivet
Posting https://poniesandlight.co.uk/reflect/debug_print_text/ here from Dodo's thread for UI ideas, since I have to build a UI myself #1311466891415519302 message
echo crystal
u can even make ur own special font on GIMP and easily export it for this
or so i read somewher
cloud rivet
buying my kid a guitar when she was 6 was the best investment, now she's practicing singing and playing Pixies and Cranberries songs on her stratocaster and sounds amazing
get your kid into music when they're young
astral hinge
btw, are you an mtg player? I thought your discord theme stuff looked familiar
cloud rivet
I love the cards for how they look but I don't play
astral hinge
lol you sound like deccer 😄
wraith urchin
You play mtg @astral hinge ?
cloud rivet
maybe I need to change it so I'm not mispresenting myself now
astral hinge
You play mtg <@288411937962721305> ?
yeah
astral hinge
maybe I need to change it so I'm not mispresenting myself now
nah it's fine. keep it if you like it
cloud rivet
is mtg pay 2 win?
astral hinge
it depends
if you only play with friends and they don't mind proxies (cards that aren't official prints, i.e. ones you printed yourself) then it's very cheap
you can also play magic online for free with programs like Cockatrice
but if you want to play with "real" cards, it's very expensive. not pay to win exactly, but close
you have to pay hundreds of dollars a few times a year if you want to have a competitive standard format deck
if you want a competitive modern or legacy deck, you'll have to pay way more ($500 to $2000+), but you rarely need to update your deck
pauper is a format where only common cards are allowed, so competitive decks are much cheaper
and all of them are free or cheap if you use the options I mentioned above
the most popular official format is Commander, which allows almost all cards, and most people play it casually so you're not strongly incentivized to spend a bunch on powerful cards
it's also designed as a multiplayer format so it's often played in groups of 3-4
great for social gatherings
astral hinge
oh yeah I neglected to mention limited formats
draft is awesome but I don't play it a lot
I just play commander and pauper with my homies
cloud rivet
do you play Hearthstone?
astral hinge
I played it a little bit several years ago
I'm not a big fan of it being digital only
wraith urchin
I like having physical cards 
Its fun just to flip through them
With the nice artwork
astral hinge
yeah
astral hinge
With the nice artwork
I got a playmat with the art from this card that's signed by the artist
cloud rivet
I got a playmat with the art from this card that's signed by the artist
beautiful
I think I'm gonna focus on some other stuff for now and not put a lot more work into the vcc RT stuff atm
astral hinge
we need a :flag_ub: for moments like this
was great but we need more
the complete collection
wraith urchin
🇺🇿 dam Uzbekistan is so close
astral hinge
@brisk chasm 
I don't think that chart is the same as whatever discord uses because 🇽🇰 is here
and that's supposedly deleted
wraith urchin
What is bougainville gonna use?
(They will become independent from papua new guinea in 2027)
wraith urchin
🇬🇵 GP is taken 
wraith urchin
Is it Guadeloupe?
broken fog
new plan, stage a coup and replace their flag with froge
cloud rivet
I don't think I'd know how to do anything if it wasn't for Sascha's vulkan examples tbh
how do mesh shaders work? idk, let me check Sascha, he's got an example
oh
looks like a tesselation shader
sorta
this is sacha's example
astral hinge
(They will become independent from papua new guinea in 2027)
it doesn't seem very certain
In late 2019, a non-binding independence referendum was held with 98% voting for independence rather than continued autonomy within Papua New Guinea. As a result, the regional authorities intend to become independent between 2025 and 2027, pending ratification by the Papua New Guinean government. If ratified, the capital may relocate from Buka back to the previous location of Arawa.
cloud rivet
yeah that's no an SRGB render
the clear color sascha uses is clearValues[0].color = { { 0.0f, 0.0f, 0.2f, 1.0f } };;
I think that's a much brighter blue than that
astral hinge
cloud rivet
oh
astral hinge
that's the color picker from PowerToys btw
cloud rivet
yes
astral hinge
sascha's is not
cloud rivet
ooh my vulkan guide book has mesh shaders
ah it uses the NV mesh extension
I am not going to use that
dark saffron
funny i was messing with that mesh shader example yesterday
ported it to my toy framework for my students
dark saffron
we only had two hours for me to explain MS, figure out the sample, port it to IMR and also fix some shady parsing errors
(i just use shady to do reflection on the shaders in the framework, shaders are left as glsl)
cloud rivet
what class do you teach?
dark saffron
cloud rivet
that's a great class
I bet students must look forward to it
this mastering vulkan book is using mesh shaders to render shadow maps to a cubemap
dark saffron
i had a lot of demand, far more than the 12 slots I offered
12 slots is a lot of workload
cloud rivet
job security
dark saffron
as far as it's possible to have it as a graduate student, i have it
not a lot of people who do both compiler design and implementation, and also GPU/graphics stuff
cloud rivet
what are you going to do after school?
dark saffron
i'd like to stick arround as a post-doc
but i've got a couple of people who reached out with offers
dark saffron
unfortunately not
there are a number of companies with centralia-type situations
most in-house compiler stacks look like that
cloud rivet
unfortunate
for the mesh shader I think I will just use a normal graphics pipeline
I'm going to make a helper function make creating graphics pipelines generic since I'll have two now
hrm
I need helper functions for making shaders too, too much boilerplate
I'll probably have a nice mesh shader pipeline thing set up pretty quick and then I'll focus on CPU rasterizing
or well actually I need UI first
UI text and a slider
and buttons
dark saffron
you don't need much, give it a MS stage and don't give it a VS stage
you can add a TS stage too
cloud rivet
yes, that's the plan
dark saffron
i ended up doing zero changes to the imr::GraphicsPipeline class since it already took a map from stage to module
cloud rivet
oh nice
my current graphics pipeline code is just hard coding a static single pipeline so I will just make some simple changes for the parts that I'll want to pass in, shaders and the pipeline layout
and a pointer to grab the handle
cloud rivet
I today caused the worst incident in my company's history. How is everyone else doing
astral hinge
what happened?
cloud rivet
I shipped a change that caused a bunch of perfectly aligned dominos to fall
and cause a lot of problems for our customer
that we couldn't fix ourselves
astral hinge
that sucks but doesn't really sound like totally your fault. and even if it was, mistakes happen
cloud rivet
and our execs have to fly to the customer's city and meet in person to make up for
astral hinge
damn
cloud rivet
I definitely made multiple errors in judgement
astral hinge
live and learn I guess
cloud rivet
I definitely learned a lot today
astral hinge
I hope you are doing alright
cloud rivet
thank you, I am ok right now, everyone's been nice enough about it and we spent a lot of time talking about circuit breakers and structural changes that should have made this impossible
after we got out of incident
working on rendering games for a living sounds really nice right now
broken fog
that sucks but doesn't really sound like totally your fault. and even if it was,...
this, there's no such thing as a personal fuckup, only a process issue
if you fucked up well that's on you, but if your mistake actually had serious consequences that's a design failure, people screw up from time to time and every system needs to account for that
so yeah don't feel too bad about it
cloud rivet
true
broken fog
and our execs have to fly to the customer's city and meet in person to make up f...
i certainly wouldn't feel bad for the execs
i'm sure they'll give themselves a big fat bonus to make up for it
astral hinge
guy who makes way more than you do probably had to earn it today
cloud rivet
I took down our production and the production of others
we got it all working
we're good now, except that it happened
broken fog
I took down our production and the production of others
10x developer right there
cloud rivet
my kid came home from school today, her second week of her senior year telling me she doesn't like her physics AP course because she is the only one in the class who hasn't taken calculus, (she was able to get in because she did really well in AP chem last year).
I asked her if she wanted to make a change and she said "I don't want to give up on something just because it's going to be hard."
it's kind of hard to describe how I feel about seeing your own child become an adult, and to be doing it well? better than I did
idk
back to mesh shader
I wish I could help her but it's not a strength I myself have
I can figure out math as I sort of need to use it
astral hinge
maybe you can ask her for help
cloud rivet
she said ok, I just asked her
cloud rivet
you I don't call my project or refer to my project as a "game" or as an "engine" anywhere
but when I ask AI about my project it calls it an "engine" or "game engine"
like coderabbit or copilot in edge
I don't use any AI when writing code on any of this
astral hinge
probably because all the other projects that look like yours call themselves an engine or game
cloud rivet
it's just a bunch of C code with some vulkan api calls right now
I object to these names
I kind of want to build a game though, I'm trying to stay strong however
it is fun to ask AI what it thinks about my code, it's ridiculous, but a little bit fun
I did that once with rosy and it called a professional production ready game engine lol
it definitely wasn't anything of the sort
of course it doesn't think at all, it's a text generator
cloud rivet
so already thinking ahead to my imgui
I'm going to have it be window based
like dearimgui
and I'll allocate bytes to write colors into the window bytes
it'll all be CPU side
so I'm not creating another a giant full swapchain size bitmap, just for the size of the ui window, which has to be specified
and then I'll draw buttons and sliders into that window and handle events over that window based on where it will be written to in screenspace
I'll copy it independently of whatever other thing I'm rendering, CPU raster, GPU Raster, Graphics Pipeline or RT Pipeline
to the draw image
I could allocate subwindows from a subset of the existing window, that'll be interesting, where it gets a rectangle inside a parent window
I won't do anything fancy like that at first
I actually think drag and resize would be easy to add
cloud rivet
I'm pretty happy with my render graph, I made my pipeline/layout bind nodes more generic and am establishing a parameter/function pointers type pattern for static/dynamic configuration for a particular node type
it's getting easier to bulid and configure new render graphs, and since they're just a linked list they can update themselves at run time, and change what happens
it's evaluated by a giant switch right now, which seems fine
I should make it a tagged union instead of a fat struct, following what I saw in vcc
astral hinge
could you share a taste of the render graph API when you feel ready?
cloud rivet
sure, it's probably not uh very good to someone more familiar with C or C++, but I can share
cloud rivet
ok, most of it is still very static, I make it more configurable as I work on it over time https://gist.github.com/btipling/617769bab1d04669bdfcafd1db609f00
void render_gfx(AppContext *actx, Arena *arena) {
if (!arena)
fatal("render_gfx: null arena");
if (!actx)
fatal("render_gfx: null actx");
if (!actx->gctx)
fatal("render_gfx: null gctx");
if (actx->gctx->minimized)
return;
render_node_t *current_node = actx->gctx->render_graph;
do {
} while ((current_node = pump_graph(actx, arena, current_node)));
return;
}
is how I call it
each frame
I'm not sure it's fair to call it a render graph, it's more a render list right now I guess
it's a huge improvement over what was before just a giant monolith function
I have like a vision for how I'll make it better too, because while right now I have each of the different renders entirely isolated, eventually I'll combine them, where some of my render will be CPU rasterized, like the UI, some of it will be graphics pipeline, some of it will be RT
and that'll vary based on what is being rendered, like maybe the pause screen or start screen will be totally different than scene, or inventory, or whatever
maybe a sequence will just be entirely RT
nearly done with the mesh shader pipeline, gotta go exercise for a bit and then will probably finish later
astral hinge
```c
void render_gfx(AppContext *actx, Arena *arena) {
if (!arena)
fatal("...
I'm getting deja vu looking at this
a list is a 1-tree which is a kind of graph
cloud rivet
If necessary it may grow in complexity but I am just building something that works and is practical I guess
astral hinge
the code looks good btw
cloud rivet
Right now it’s just a single triangle in different flavors
cloud rivet
the code looks good btw
Thanks! You know it is working
I really like not having to worry about getting barriers wrong anymore
The barrier is defined where dependency is needed and persists previous state for the next barrier
If I do get it wrong I read the details of the op I am doing
cloud rivet
hey I have advanced from 1 triangle
cloud rivet
ok, most of it is still very static, I make it more configurable as I work on it...
there were a lot of bugs in that mesh graph init, I had copy pasted my RT stuff into it
It actually looks like this
void create_mg_graph(AppContext *actx, Arena *arena) {
if (!actx)
fatal("no actx");
if (!actx->gctx)
fatal("no gctx");
if (!actx->mgctx)
fatal("no mgctx");
actx->gctx->num_render_nodes = 1;
reset_arena(actx->gctx->graph_subarena);
render_node_t *head = init_new_node(actx->gctx->graph_subarena);
render_node_t *current_node = head;
current_node->render_node_type = render_node_type_noop;
current_node = prepare_frame_render_graph(actx, arena, current_node);
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"begin rendering mesh tasks",
render_node_type_begin_rendering,
(render_node_cfg_t){0});
render_node_cfg_t mg_pipeline_cfg = {0};
mg_pipeline_cfg.pipeline_bind_point = VK_PIPELINE_BIND_POINT_GRAPHICS;
mg_pipeline_cfg.pipeline_layout = actx->mgctx->vk_mg_pipeline_layout;
mg_pipeline_cfg.pipeline = actx->mgctx->vk_mg_pipeline;
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"bind mesh pipeline",
render_node_type_bind_pipeline,
mg_pipeline_cfg);
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"set render viewport",
render_node_type_set_viewport,
(render_node_cfg_t){0});
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"bind mesh descriptor sets",
render_node_type_bind_descriptor_sets,
mg_pipeline_cfg);
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"mesh push constant",
render_node_type_push_constants,
mg_pipeline_cfg);
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"draw mesh tasks",
render_node_type_mesh_tasks,
(render_node_cfg_t){0});
current_node = add_render_node(actx,
arena,
current_node,
"end mesh tasks render",
render_node_type_end_rendering,
(render_node_cfg_t){0});
current_node = present_render_graph(actx, arena, current_node);
actx->gctx->render_graph = head;
}
also I noticed I have like no barriers for my RT so I bet if I turn on sync validation it will yell so I need to fix that tomorrow
I may have to work over the weekend, but I have time I will work on UI
that's probably why I had that UB yesterday
brisk chasm
thats how my engine looks like
beautiful flame pictures, but no steering or front wheel : >
and the seat looks like where you would put the meat on a grill
also 🫂 i read what happened 🙂
and what is a ..mg..? besides the obvious german thing without the number
broken fog
hey I have advanced from 1 triangle
three trongles
now make them into a bigger trongle
cloud rivet
and what is a `..mg..`? besides the obvious german thing without the number
mg means mesh graphics Gotta save on those characters
I have a limited budget
cloud rivet
ok I got all the triangles a fella could want
time to work on my imgui
goals for this current initial iteration is a window, ASCII text, a button and sliders, and a checkbox
I will divide my UI up into rectangles and only update the rectangles that need to be updated
I should do the same thing with my software raster tbh, I don't need to be rendering it for the whole window, I think I will use it also for HUD stuff
I think I will use RT for the sky, and things in the sky like clouds, and distant terrain
and maybe GI once I figure out how to do GI
I think this going to be a game tbh eventually
I actually don't want to do sponza or bistro or any of that, I do want to work on fancy rendering however
cloud rivet
I kinda don’t want to use any images or models
bronze socket
I will divide my UI up into rectangles and only update the rectangles that need ...
it's a surprising pain in the ass to lead with when putting UI together
I did naive full redraws only until very recently because state tracking gets you in the weeds with lots of annoying bugs
I only switched to minimize the number of calls to text relayout
cloud rivet
I see hrm
May rely on a heuristic to exclude obvious not dirty ui and default to redraw
bronze socket
you should wait until you have your full featureset
it was annoying for me, but mildly less annoying because I just had to switch over existing functionality
cloud rivet
I've been working all weekend due to the incident, that I caused
so haven't done much
cloud rivet
I went through what was effectively deposition about everything that lead up to the incident and all the decisions and conversations
rough
wouldn't be surprised if I ended up without a job tbh
or worse
more time to work on my engine
cloud rivet
I should probably not go into anymore of it
echo crystal
okay 
astral hinge
wouldn't be surprised if I ended up without a job tbh
don't employers understand that they just paid a bunch of money for training
we'll support you in whatever happens Bjorn
cloud rivet
Stubbed out some UI code that doesn't do anything yet, but now just need to have it actually do something:
void render_ui(AppContext *actx, Arena *arena) {
if (!actx)
fatal("no actx");
if (!arena)
fatal("no arena");
if (!actx->uictx)
fatal("no uictx");
begin_ui(actx, arena);
{
// FPS & Performance Information Window
const u32 fps_window = ui_window(actx, arena, "performance");
actx->uictx->windows[fps_window]->pos = (uint2){50, 25};
actx->uictx->windows[fps_window]->width = 100;
actx->uictx->windows[fps_window]->height = 50;
actx->uictx->windows[fps_window]->theme.bg_color = (float4){0.2f, 0.2f, 0.2f, 1.f};
ui_text(actx, arena, fps_window, "fps: %d", actx->app_performance.fps);
}
end_ui(actx, arena);
}
C unity builds are fast af
by this time Rosy was already approaching a 10 second build time, and my first C++ app was taking like much much longer
cloud rivet
@broken fog you write C in nvim on macos?
I got lsp working ok
but what I can't figure out is how to go to definitions or find references :<
I can shift+K to see get the little pop over that gives me type defs
and I see errors and can take actions on them
wish I could go from a function call to the function definition though
or to where I declared a variable
I'm sure it's just ignorance on my part
if I could figure that out it would make such a huge difference
oh!
I think I figured it out
nice nm I figured it out :D
broken fog
<@389103927892639754> you write C in nvim on macos?
ye
broken fog
but what I can't figure out is how to go to definitions or find references :<
you have to define keybinds for that
cloud rivet
yeah!
broken fog
i have leader gd for definition, gR for refs
cloud rivet
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>ge', vim.diagnostic.open_float, { desc = 'Show error' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '[d', vim.diagnostic.goto_prev, { desc = 'Previous diagnostic' })
vim.keymap.set('n', ']d', vim.diagnostic.goto_next, { desc = 'Next diagnostic' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>ga', vim.lsp.buf.code_action, { desc = 'Code action' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>gt', vim.lsp.buf.type_definition, { desc = 'Type definition' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>gd', vim.lsp.buf.definition, { desc = 'Go to definition' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>gD', vim.lsp.buf.declaration, { desc = 'Go to definition' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>gr', vim.lsp.buf.references, { desc = 'Go to references' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>gi', vim.lsp.buf.implementation, { desc = 'Go to implementation' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>gh', vim.lsp.buf.hover, { desc = 'lsp hover' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '[d', vim.diagnostic.goto_prev)
vim.keymap.set('n', ']d', vim.diagnostic.goto_next)
this works!
broken fog
and I see errors and can take actions on them
huh i don't think i got code actions working with clangd, what's your setup?
broken fog
i need to rework my lsp keybinds tbh they're not super great
especially the definition vs declaration stuff
i think i have em the wrong way round from what i actually want
broken fog
cloud rivet
I'm new to nvim so might be cringe
broken fog
oh yeah i'm no nvim wizard myself
my config is mostly stolen from a bunch of yt videos/forum posts mashed together and then edited
broken fog
i spent most of the time on the colorscheme and statusline lol
cloud rivet
I mostly don't use it since I apply formatting on save
my status line is just vanilla
broken fog
yeah i do that too
i mean i have code actions working great on every other language
well at least i know ts, java and rust work
it's just clangd that shows nothing
broken fog
telescope is great
cloud rivet
I think now that I can actually jump to references and definitions my life is finally complete
broken fog
ye
cloud rivet
one thing I still open up vs code for at work is when I want to make big changes to directory structure
just drag stuff around
broken fog
the one thing i should do is figure out how to add a nicer border to the popup windows for type info and such
cloud rivet
also I guess I don't know how to search in just one sub directory
broken fog
to make them stand out a bit more
cloud rivet
that's another thing I'll do in vs code
yea sometimes I can't tell I'm looking at a popup window in nvim
broken fog
one thing I still open up vs code for at work is when I want to make big changes...
nvim-tree
broken fog
x/c/p are pretty handy for moving dirs around
broken fog
ye, it's so good
i need to add a binding to jump directly to it
and back to the last panel
cloud rivet
yeah I have "<leader>no" for that
broken fog
hmm maybe i should add a tabline
cloud rivet
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>no', ':NvimTreeToggle<CR>', { desc = 'Toggle file explorer' })
vim.keymap.set('n', '<leader>nf', ':NvimTreeFindFileToggle<CR>', { desc = 'Toggle file explorer' })
I actually don't know what the difference is between no and nf
oh I need a "highlight current file in tree" let me see if that's a thing
oh that's what nf does, nm
broken fog
btw you can map :Telescope lsp_references to open refs in telescope directly instead of opening a buffer
hm so for me vim.lsp.buf.definition works fine for jumping to a function def, but in c it always goes to the declaration (in the header file) instead
otoh vim.lsp.buf.declaration opens a buffer with all declarations (usually both the header and implementation)
wait nvm i am actually retarded
i wasn't loading my lsp keymaps so they were just doing something else
cloud rivet
yeah I was really struggling for some reason with all this too for months and I just spent sometime today and figured it out
I don't know why I had so much trouble last time
I had some conflicts with default vim format on save issues with conform that I have a hack for
that's still kinda unresolved
broken fog
hm wait i must have removed the line at some point cause the telescope thing was working
cloud rivet
oh shit
broken fog
uh mine worked and is now borked for some reason
cloud rivet
just doing :Telescope gives me a Telescope UI for its commands 
broken fog
oh the telescope lsp_references is way better
ofc it does defs etc as well
broken fog
yoo that's great
i haven't tried gitsigns stuff with it but i'm sure that's possible too
cloud rivet
I guess I don't find anything for "implementations" because that's probably for interfaces and I am writing C
git_diff is nice
ok that's a lot of new key bindings have I to learn
I'll limit to just getting good with these
this is all a huge game changer
implementations will help me with go at work
maybe
ok maybe I have energy to do some ui code
broken fog
I guess I don't find anything for "implementations" because that's probably for ...
yeah
do you have it working to jump to the actual definition of a function
like instead of the declaration in a header
cloud rivet
I think so
broken fog
hm
for whatever reason vim.lsp.buf.definition and vim.lsp.buf.declaration do the same for me in c
and they both open a new buffer where the same header declaration appears twice
broken fog
hmm
cloud rivet
not the vim.lsp
broken fog
right that'll jump to the header for me as well
cloud rivet
hrmm
I have a unity build
maybe that's why
idk
ohh
I bet it's my compile commands.json
broken fog
well my definition is in another build so that could be it ye
cloud rivet
[
{
"directory": "C:/Users/Bjorn/projects/code/palinode",
"command": "clang -x c -std=c2y -Wall -g -fenable-matrix -I include -I C:/VulkanSDK/1.4.313.2/Include src/main.c -L C:/VulkanSDK/1.4.313.2/Lib -lvulkan-1 -lUser32 -lGdi32",
"file": "src/main.c"
}
]
oh yea how do you deal with that
did you write it by hand
broken fog
i never managed to get the cmake generated one working
cloud rivet
I don't use cmake
broken fog
yeah i'm using make now
cloud rivet
I just use a bat file
broken fog
time to write a shell script to generate it from my makefile :clueless
cloud rivet
I was going to rewrite it in zig but then decided I didn't want to because I was lazy and it wasn't solving a real problem
I just really want to spend 0 time ever worring about a build system
bat files are super easy
and it works idc
if I ever decide to make a linux build I'll write a fish shell script
also shell scripts just dispell the whole magic of build systems
because you have to learn how the cli compiler commands actually work and what the options are
which is all the build systems mostly do
so you spend less time than you would with cmake, because you don't have to learn about a useless cmake feature, and you do learn the actual useful knowledge of how the compiler and linker work
so less time wasted over all and more things actually valuable learned, I spent less time writing my bat file than all the time looking gui things in msbuild or even looking up premake docs
I like premake though
I just don't need anything to generate a vs project, I can just write the bat file
cloud rivet
make is actually good
broken fog
magic single char variables 
broken fog
anyway my nvim shtuff is now working great, it not jumping to defs in c is probably clangd issue
broken fog
only thing i need to fix
for some reason when i do telescope lsp refs
it lags for like a second before actually opening
i don't think this happened before
oh and it's only with the keybind
great
cloud rivet
oh I learned something about that
I always do <leader>AB <-- two chars
never 1 char
no <leader>A
because I think it doesn't know if a second character is coming
I think that's why it hangs?
broken fog
ah so in this case i have just gr no leader
cloud rivet
I use g for navigating
gg takes me to the top of the file
all my keyboard mappings start with <leader>
I think I have a couple that still start with cntrl
I need to fix those
broken fog
I use g for navigating
go to reference etc is navigation imo, that's why i use g-
cloud rivet
oh good point
cloud rivet
yeah it's waiting for the next key I think
at the beginning of this project, I made two arenas, each 256MB each allocations which is way too much, but you know I haven't had to worry about memory allocation at all even once since
I have two for two different life times
broken fog
yeah it's waiting for the next key I think
yup
cloud rivet
one for application life and one for per frame
broken fog
that explains why i had it mapped to gR
cloud rivet
ahh
broken fog
but i don't like having to press shift lol
cloud rivet
yeah that's like three key strokes
2.5
also regarding my arenas, I have creates this sub arena, so from my main application arena I have chunks of arena that can reset themselves, behave just like a regular arena only they allocated from the original arena
it works great
I love C man
broken fog
i'm starting to like c as well
it's shrimple
ofc if you want any kind of type safety it's uhh not good
but that's not why i write c
cloud rivet
yeah, I actually hate looking up slang types
because it requires a lot of brain usage to understand types
I wish I could just use vcc for everything
I'm not interested in decoding
float _Texture<T, Shape, isArray, isMS, sampleCount, access, isShadow, isCombined, format>.CalculateLevelOfDetailUnclamped(
vector<float, Shape.dimensions> location)
where T : ITexelElement
where Shape : __ITextureShape
where access == 0
where isCombined == 1;
I mean it's not that hard
I just don't want to
broken fog
yeah msl types can get cumbersome as well
don't think they're quite as bad tho
haven't use slang yet
i wish shading langs would go away tbh
just let me write c on the gpu
or better yet rust
oh and also why does telescope not keep my keymaps in normal mode
now i have to figure out how to remap the cursor keys within telescope (i use jkl; instead of hjkl)
cloud rivet
weird
I don't even know if I use ; for anything?
it's all muscle memory
; must have some functionality? it's directly under one of the fingers??
oh maybe because of :
broken fog
yeah, ; does nothing but you do have :
but iirc the reason hjkl are the default cursor keys is they used to be the four keys under your fingers in oldschool terminal keyboards back when vi was written
you know, 50 years ago
i just find it really awkward to shift my hand one key from its resting position on the home row for cursor movement which i do like 80% of the time
cloud rivet
I'm going to set my imgui state to 0 arena memory usage every frame, just any ui state has to be tracked separately hrm
we'll how that goes
man I hope I render at least one pixel tonight
oh I have an idea how to stretch my arena allocation
so if the current allocation is still the most recent allocation from the arena, I can stretch it to grow a **pointer of the same type by more of that type
so I'lll track a stretch ptr
and I'll have to pass that stretch ptr into an arena_stretch function
and if the arena is like yup, that's the tail of the most recent memory allocation it will just stretch that allocation
but you can only do that if that allocation is the current tail, because once other memory has been allocated it's RIP
this works for this UI code though
it's like a nice way to have a little bit of dynamic memory in a function scope thing, I just can't use that arena for anything else while I do that, unless I slice out a subarena with a nice max
I'll just go with it
this is the idea
void *arena_alloc(Arena *arena, size_t size) {
if (!arena)
fatal("attempted to alloc from a null arena");
void *ptr = NULL;
ptr = arena->ptr;
size_t available = arena->end - arena->ptr;
// TODO: grow arena
if (available < size)
fatal("Arena overflow, available: %zu", available);
// Align pointer
arena->ptr = ALIGN_UP_PTR(arena->ptr + size, ARENA_ALIGNMENT);
// Validate pointer alignment
if (arena->ptr > arena->end)
fatal("Arena overflow after alignment, with available space: %zu", available);
void *expected_ptr = ALIGN_DOWN_PTR(arena->ptr, ARENA_ALIGNMENT);
if (arena->ptr != expected_ptr)
fatal("Unexpected new pointer alignment");
arena->stretch_handle = ptr;
return ptr;
}
void *arena_stretch(Arena *arena, char *stretch_handle, size_t size) {
if (stretch_handle != arena->stretch_handle) {
// Can only stretch with the most recently allocated pointer to memory
fatal("tried to stretch with invalid handle");
}
// Reset ptr to previous position. This will allow
// the caller to acquire more memory to grow a list
// for example.
arena->ptr = arena->stretch_handle;
return arena_alloc(arena, size);
}
hrmmmm
no this is weird
I just need a dynamic list
nah this is ok, I'm just going to create a sub arena for this, it's fine if this is criminal
I am not going to bikeshed this
actually it is dumb
nevermind, I will just allocate a max sized list and blow up if I go past it. This is happening per frame and I don't want to a malloc a dynamic list then
cloud rivet
nice
now to draw the thing
I haven't figured out the text part yet
this is just to draw anything for a window
cloud rivet
ok ok
I didn't get to a pixel
but
I think I figured it out
void render_cr(AppContext *actx, Arena *arena) {
if (!actx)
fatal("null appctx");
if (!actx->crctx)
fatal("null crctx");
if (!arena)
fatal("null arena");
begin_ui(actx, arena);
render_ui(actx, arena);
cr_draw(actx, arena);
end_ui(actx, arena);
}
this is my CPU rasterizer
so the CPU rasterizer will do all its rasterization business
but because it owns the bits
it takes the UI contexts and all its windows and whatever's in there
and knows how to draw them on its bits
the UI context will know how to draw itself to the bits I think, but the CPU raster is like what bits do you need, ok here they are, or something
I think I need the concept of fif for my cpu raster
I was close, I think I will have window pixels tomorrow
the UI context will also get events from user input
hrm, just want basic stuff at first
cloud rivet
the cpu raster stuff all ends up on the gpu with all the graphics pipeline and RT stuff all together in one render eventually
and the ui will be fully CPU
broken fog
huh, why's that?
do raytraced ui
also ig i'm back to vimshedding some of my keymaps are randomly breaking
broken fog
fixed it, apparently a mason update quietly added auto-start lsp which breaks everything 
do people not know not to make breaking changes to the default config when they add a new feature
cloud rivet
It kinda will be path traced UI since I am mapping it directly to the screen per pixel just on the CPU side.
Probably would be harder and more work to do it differently
It’s just a first attempt
cloud rivet
pixels
that bar on the top left is a little window I defined
tomorrow I'll start figuring out how to render some text into it
brisk chasm
with glRasterPos2i ofc 🙂
cloud rivet
I have left all of the handmade associated discords I was in.
They are weird personality cults tbh. I just want to program.
Yesterday I improved my nvim tab and split key mappings, my editing is in a really good place now
I can easily switch and move tabs around and open up and jump around splits
brisk chasm
welcome back to the bikeshed 🙂
cloud rivet
I am glad I gave neovim a try I thought I was done with vim and TUI editors but so much has improved
bronze socket
yeah neovim is great
cloud rivet
From the ASO discussion, didn’t want to post it in someone else’s thread
broken fog
Zero baked in
fully customizable in an actual programming language, extremely powerful, thriving plugin ecosystem, no ai bullshit ootb
what more could you want really
and it uses almost no system resources if you have to code on a potato for whatever reason
cloud rivet
true gopls however jfc 30GB of ram
broken fog
settings sync? dotfiles repo, ez settings sync with full version control
does go lsp have a massive skill issue
never written go idk
broken fog
cloud rivet
It has 32GB of ram
broken fog
what the fuck
cloud rivet
Yeah
broken fog
riir
cloud rivet
It’s not neovim though
broken fog
yeah
cloud rivet
It is go pls
cloud rivet
Same
broken fog
while on clion it would eat up 20gb+ every now and then and oom
cloud rivet
What’s weird I run gopls on vs code on that same server
Idk
It just kills gopls then
Not vs code
But vs code runs like a client server thing
I blame linux
Or my linux skills
Probably
broken fog
now i want to try gopls just to see if it ooms
are you working on some huge codebase?
cloud rivet
You need a mammoth repo like my job probably
broken fog
yeah that'll do it
cloud rivet
We just have one massive repository
cloud rivet
It creates like 29 executables
cloud rivet
just ask for more ram <:KEKW:666849321462792234>
I did
broken fog
monorepos were a mistake
hey at least it's not webshit
some component libs do absolutely cursed shit with ts types
cloud rivet
I did <:KEKW:666849321462792234>
The response was
broken fog
to the point where if you make anything bigger than a todo list the ts lsp has a shit and dies every 20 minutes
massive skill issue
and people use those dogshit libs
i hate webdev
cloud rivet
Oh we vendor our dependencies also
So every dependency is checked in
It is massive
broken fog
chungus repo
i mean
still a gopls skill issue for loading the entire codebase in memory at once
cloud rivet
I tried adding the vendor repo to all the ignores
broken fog
but it's also kind of an edge case
and a cheap boss issue
yes we work with this chungus repo
no you're not getting more ram
mfw
at my last job we were given 8gb macbook airs
tbf they were fantastic for most everything, macos is insanely good at swapping
but if you had the misfortune to work on a project that required you to run a bunch of docker containers you were dead
cloud rivet
Wow
My work macbook has 64GB of RAM so I just edit on it and rsync
It’s a tiny bit of hassle
broken fog
Wow
fwiw i never once oomd outside of the docker thing
and even then i switched docker desktop to orbstack and it magically cut mem usage by 90%
turns out docker desktop has a major skill issue on macs
broken fog
so 8gb was kinda enough for web shit
it's still a joke in $current_year though glad they finally went to 16 on the base air lol
cloud rivet
I have to build integrations for gitlab enterprise , jira datacenter etc, i will run them in docker
broken fog
Yeah I use docker on my Mac sometimes
do yourself a favor and install orbstack
idk what kinda black magic they did but it's way more efficient than base docker
by a ridiculous amount
cloud rivet
I will look thank you wow
broken fog
also has a much nicer ui than docker desktop written natively in swift, if you use that
i mostly use cli so idc but it's nice
btw what mac is it
m3?
cloud rivet
I have to look
broken fog
if it's m3 or m4 you have hwrt in that gpu
and effectively 64gb of vram
you know what that means
moana island scene time
cloud rivet
We are hiring btw if you want to work insane hours and learn go
broken fog
uh no thank you
i'm game for learning go but i already have insane hours with uni and the occasional freelance gig
broken fog
i mean if i had the time and y'all took remote workers from outside the us i would be genuinely interested
but i don't think i'll be out of uni for another uhh
3 years
cloud rivet
Yeah we are all over the world, people work from the UK and India and Argentina
remote
broken fog
oh hey i'm in argentina
cloud rivet
Oh
broken fog
what company? i might have heard of it
(bet the salaries here are a fraction of the us )
cloud rivet
We don’t have a presence as a company but we have a team working through clarolabs
A few are also in uni
They are great imo
Good team
I work at ConductorOne
broken fog
huh, never heard of em
broken fog
A few are also in uni
probably not mine
working in uni is common here but people usually do like half the usual courses per semester
i'm trying to speedrun it so i can go study in europe
wraith urchin
From the ASO discussion, didn’t want to post it in someone else’s thread
Albany, CA? Is this a self-dox?
cloud rivet
I haven’t hid anything about me
My name is easily searchable and because I own property so is my address lol
wraith urchin
I'm pretty public but I try to avoid revealing my exact location. I have the advantage of living in a city of 6 million
Although one GP member already knows my address
cloud rivet
I don’t care. I am a grain of sand on the beach
wraith urchin
It's up to you yeah
cloud rivet
I couldn’t hide it if I wanted to
it’s impossible if you own a home
Best you can do is have a very common name
broken fog
Although one GP member already knows my address <:bleakekw:1082598350303539240>
it's jaker isn't it
he is in your walls
wraith urchin
Best you can do is have a very common name
Neither of us have one of those lol
wraith urchin
it's jaker isn't it
This is true
broken fog
Albany, CA? Is this a self-dox?
tbh it seems like no big deal?
like idk
my github profile has my name, photo and i'm pretty sure you can find the uni i attend
which has three campus locations around the city
so like, if you wanted to find me off public information on my github you probably could
but why'd you want to do that
cloud rivet
huh
I tried searching for me and couldn't find my address like I used to, I guess that service I tried paying for actually works
I gotta read that dodo thing about how to do texts
dodo's text looks great
broken fog
I tried searching for me and couldn't find my address like I used to, I guess th...
second result for my name on ddg is a dead linkedin link with my approximate location (section of the city i live in)
privacy is a lie
(first result is my website, yay)
cloud rivet
nice
wraith urchin
Yeah I mean I make YT vids so I'm pretty public
But the one thing I try to avoid revealing is my location
More narrowly than "Toronto"
Which doesn't narrow it down much
wraith urchin
I've been nuked
cloud rivet
I hate when that happens
wow imhex did not want to quit
I had to exit out of like 2 or 3 dialogs
uninstalling lol
I cannot stand applications that won't quit when I want to quit
if I want to save I'll save
I don't like having to deal with a font, I'm just going to make my own characters and sample those
broken fog
wow imhex did not want to quit
i had the opposite problem
imhex quitting when i didn't want it to
(ie crashing )
cloud rivet
hehe
broken fog
do you have a better hex editor btw cause i sure don't
cloud rivet
I don't need a hex editor
broken fog
cloud rivet
I'm not mr robot
vagrant musk
Meanwhile intellij idea just makes sure you want to close it
It already saved your work, it just doesn’t want you leaving
broken fog
everyone needs a hex editor wdym
cloud rivet
for what
vagrant musk
do you have a better hex editor btw cause i sure don't
I use IJ
broken fog
hex editing 
cloud rivet
what hex do I edit?
broken fog
joe
cloud rivet
what are you editing with a hex editor?
vagrant musk
what are you editing with a hex editor?
hexes
vagrant musk
I’ve done bytecode engineering at points 
It’s more useful for reading than writing imo but
cloud rivet
maybe imhex is actually useful, but it looks like it takes an upfront fixed cost to learn how to use it for basic tasks
and nothing I want to do is motivating me enough to invest that kind of time
in fact
I rather spend what will probably be a bunch of time now
vagrant musk
Hex editor I use (plugin to IJ) is just sorta
click on hex you want to edit, type
pretty intuitive
cloud rivet
writing my own character bitmap using 0b notation
because of how unusable imhex looks to me
vagrant musk
But yeah I’d say understandable to not want to do hex editing lol
cloud rivet
like why
what did you use it for?
just for its own sake because it was cool?
when I was looking at dds headers
I just looked in the debugger
that was way easier
broken fog
what are you editing with a hex editor?
last i used it was to figure out icc profiles
vagrant musk
Needed to double check compiler outputs manually, and there were a bunch of characters which don’t display
So displaying them as hex is easiest
wraith urchin
imhex is actually super cool
cloud rivet
negative
broken fog
the spec wasn't super helpful
cloud rivet
all I need is a debugger
broken fog
imhex is actually super cool
yes until it crashes for the 87th time
wraith urchin
mostly I use the Notepad++ hex plugin
vagrant musk
Needed to double check compiler outputs manually, and there were a bunch of char...
Especially since the compiler I was testing, was for a language which has no such thing as a debugger
broken fog
i need a good nvim hex plugin or something
wraith urchin
but yeah if you ever mess around with designing your own file formats, having a good hex editor is crucial
cloud rivet
do you edit hex so much that you need a plugin?
I do have my own file format
the .rsy format
wraith urchin
is it a binary format though?
wraith urchin
it is a I write C ABI types into a file
this is a potentially quite bad idea, struct layout depends on your compiler & platform
cloud rivet
well I only use one compiler and platform
vagrant musk
Especially since the compiler I was testing, was for a language which has no suc...
I was probably also writing test files before making a compiler too actually
which… requires hand writing them
and I don’t really mind hand writing stuff if it’s simple
cloud rivet
I think the C ABI types are pretty cross platform
wraith urchin
They actually aren't
vagrant musk
I believe you can also specify the ABI format you want?
cloud rivet
yeah
wraith urchin
you can force your compiler use remove padding, which is probably the way to go if you write to a file
cloud rivet
you are right
idk
not a problem for me I guess
ok I guess imhex would be useful in that case, I agree
wraith urchin
yeah you need to be able to confirm the thing being written is what you think it is
cloud rivet
well I have also have a binary format, it's just not cross platform compatible
vagrant musk
When you want to know exactly what is written
That’s where a hex editor is gold
cloud rivet
oh
vagrant musk
When you want to know exactly what is written
That’s where a hex editor is gold
That and also when you don’t have a higher level tool
gaunt drum
what more could you want really
an editor written in jblow's language that you need access to compile with no plugin system, ecosystem, lsp support or even autocomplete, that you can fork and edit when needed
:P
cloud rivet
I don't like imhex, and printing the bytes of a file in hexidecimal is not exactly hard
maybe I don't have all of the features
gaunt drum
an editor written in jblow's language that you need access to compile with no pl...
(https://github.com/focus-editor/focus, I use it for odin and unironically like it for odin)
cloud rivet
maybe I have 0.01% of the features
but maybe that's all I need and I don't have to use someone elses app
vagrant musk
if it works, it works
wraith urchin
I don't like imhex, and printing the bytes of a file in hexidecimal is not exact...
notepad++ hex plugin, is another simpler option
cloud rivet
I will take a look, I love notepad++
vagrant musk
NP++ is great
not my preference for text editor but it is definitely great
vagrant musk
I use my phone for that
vagrant musk
I use my phone for that <:KEKW:666849321462792234>
Either that or github on my desktop/laptop
which is the same thing I use on my phone
gaunt drum
I use notepad++ like one big list of session persistent buffers
clear it once a month or so, and open so many unrelated things there. having a different app from my regular coding environment helps a lot
cloud rivet
oh
I use notepad for that
const u8 p_char_0[] = {
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
0b01111110,
0b01111110,
0b01100110,
0b01100110,
0b01100110,
0b01100110,
0b01100110,
0b01100110,
0b01111110,
0b01111110,
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
};
my 0 :/
I have a 1 as well
const u8 p_char_1[] = {
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
0b00111000,
0b01111000,
0b00011000,
0b00011000,
0b00011000,
0b00011000,
0b00011000,
0b00011000,
0b00011000,
0b01111110,
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
0b00000000,
};
now I need to render one of these
gaunt drum
I envy that you can find so many fun stuff to work on :P
cloud rivet
it's just trying to render text
can't do anything without debug texts
what are you working on?
I think if I wasn't doing graphics programming I think my work stress would probably do me real harm
I sort of have to do this
vagrant musk
ooh I miss doing programming for a reason similar to that
gaunt drum
what are you working on?
lately trying to learn how to do game design by iterating ideas quickly, try to find solutions to issues by game design, abandoning them to try again
cloud rivet
this is like my 5th project in a year
I'm doing that too
I think I will stick to this one though
unless it turns out I get access to jai and like it
I hope neither of those two are true 😨
vagrant musk
jai?
gaunt drum
I'm doing that too
I put myself to NIH because I thought I can overcome game design issues by ignoring them and focusing on technical stuff, leaving them as last resort
so... I finally bit the bullet
wraith urchin
unless it turns out I get access to jai and like it
relying on someone else's proprietary bikeshed project seems to me like an insane proposition
wraith urchin
If he made it open source it would be another story
gaunt drum
so... I finally bit the bullet
quickly prototyping ideas I think of, sometimes play them in my head, think what are main gameplay mechanics and what are potential issues. doing that over and over again and making scope smaller each time until I'm satisfied
cloud rivet
I watched a q&a about it, it sounded interesting
gaunt drum
If he made it open source it would be another story
iirc he'll do that after release, maybe not open source open source but at least source available
cloud rivet
like he's building things into the language that I am building myself, like a configurable allocator
wraith urchin
iirc he'll do that after release, maybe not open source open source but at least...
if it ever releases
The only language I rely on has an open standard and 3 different good compilers
thats how languages should be
cloud rivet
agree
gaunt drum
sorry I'm a rustacean
vagrant musk
I use a language where the runtime ships with a compiler, and the compiled code can run on just about any runtime, anywhere
gaunt drum
even simcards?
vagrant musk
thats how languages should be
But I am actually inclined to agree with this
gaunt drum
gaunt drum
Can simcards run code???
idk how sim cards exactly work, but I know java card exists :P
vagrant musk
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card>
well if you remove "card"
you have the language I am talking about
gaunt drum
broken fog
jababooey
cloud rivet
alright, I think I got scaling and character position down
now I just have to make the rest of the alphabet
astral hinge
I'm active in your walls still
But yeah it's the twilight as Americans start to go to sleep and Europeans start to wake up
cloud rivet
it's like 10pm on a friday, prime graphics programming time
astral hinge
True
vagrant musk
hoi
astral hinge
I'm not at my home though, so no GP for me
cloud rivet
traveling is nice
vagrant musk
I should be asleep as of at least an hour ago probably
why am I still using this keyboard layout with y and z flipped on my phone
cloud rivet
missing coordinate space transformation
the order
will need tweaking
alright I got the numbers, now I make those work and then I will do the rest
maybe someday I'll do proper glyphs
brisk chasm
this reminds me of custom cursor masks from the good old dos era
slim oak
It's exactly how I initialize a font texture with 0-9 digits for debugging my shaders 
cloud rivet
I may dump shaders all together and just write C code that emits spirv
broken fog
isn't that what vcc does
cloud rivet
vcc enables you to write shaders in C and C++ or whatever frontend is supported
I am talking about application runtime generate spirv
No frontend at all and no compile step
Complete one off just for my works on my machine project
Just a minimal IR just for what I need I guess
Not trying to reproduce C
dark saffron
you could use shady directly, use its IR API to build programs
cloud rivet
Yes at the very least would be heavily inspired by Shady
I really don’t like slang after writing vcc shaders
I am spoiled now
Just feels bad
Also my project compiles faster
Maybe a compile options skill issue
Slang’s compiler has a lot of them
cloud rivet
isn't that what vcc does
I don’t want to bother gob with all the dumb shit I want to do that vcc doesn’t support yet and would require me quitting my full time job and making compiler dev my complete focus to learn how to do in a way that aligns with the projects broad goals to do myself or create a fork or whatever
broken fog
I am talking about application runtime generate spirv
sounds like an absolute nightmare
but also fun if you want to go there
broken fog
I don’t want to bother gob with all the dumb shit I want to do that vcc doesn’t ...
fwiw it's probably great for vcc to get issues from actual users
cloud rivet
I also at the same time really enjoyed learning about SPIRV
Also how from scratch is my project if I am relying on a shader compiler
cloud rivet
I should write my on C compiler
create my on OS 
build my own hardware
mine my own rare earth minerals
I mean I have to find a place on the spectrum from 0 to just use a game engine, and right now it's like "what can I feasibly do myself within the time I have"
and if I can't do it myself just don't do it?
maybe there's a least works on my machine effort once I get to the point where I'm like fuck I need texture compression
I'm just going to solve problems I actually have, and not build a generic thing that doesn't help unblock what I need right now