shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:18 PM

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fence.with_cleanup(move || {
    // Take ownership of every resource inside the submit batch, to delete it afterwards
    let _pool = self.local_pool;
    for mut submit in self.submits {
        unsafe {
            submit.cmd.delete(self.exec.clone()).unwrap();
        }
    }
})

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This is attached to the submit's fence when calling SubmitBatch::finish()

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:19 PM

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rgbemojiwiggled

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Can you speak C++

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:20 PM

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sure kekw

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fence.add_cleanup_fn([_pool = std::move(this->pool), submits = std::move(this->submits)]() {
  for (auto& submit : submits) {
    submit.cmd.delete_now(...);
  }
  // _pool goes out of scope and is released here
});

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:22 PM

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// render loop
{
  // wait for frame's fence
  vkWaitForFences();
  vkResetFences();
  fence.clean_up_all_the_resources_used();
  auto ubo = local_pool.allocate_ubo();
  // record commands (uses ubo)
  vkQueueSubmit(queue, {
    commands, ...
  }, fence);
  fence.add_dependent_resource(ubo);
}```

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:23 PM

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Except that final line, yes

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Well, implicitly

#

{
  fences[cur_frame].wait_and_call_cleanup();
  
  local_pool = LocalPool(global_pool);
  auto ubo = local_pool.allocate_ubo();
  auto submits = SubmitBatch(...);
  submits.add_cmd(VkCommandBuffer, ...);
  fences[cur_frame] = submits.finish(local_pool);
}

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the submit batch takes care of creating the fence properly and whatnot

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:25 PM

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What's new fence

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:26 PM

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each frame in flight has its own fence associated with it so you can have some overlap

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so more like fences[cur_frame] really

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:26 PM

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rgbemojiwiggled

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Now it's good

#

nice

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:26 PM

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frogapprove

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:26 PM

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What if it's not in a frame though

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:27 PM

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Then you need to keep the local pool in scope yourself

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Either attach it to the fence manually or wait on the fence before destroying it

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:28 PM

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Hmm

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I don't like manual things

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:28 PM

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yeh me neither

#

but most of those cases you'll have something like

#

void async_thread_task() {
  // record commands
  auto pool = LocalPool ...;

  auto fence = submit(commands);
  fence.wait(); // now we block
}

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and then its not an issue since the pool is kept in scope long enough

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:31 PM

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{
  auto huge_buffer = local_pool.allocate();
  auto desc_set = allocate_desc_set();
  desc_set.bind(huge_buffer);
  auto command = CommandCompiler();
  command.bind_desc_set(desc_set);
  auto cmd_buf = command.compile();
  auto fence = queue.submit(cmd_buf);
  // ~fence(); will wait for the thing and kill the thingies
}```

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I had this in mind

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But I have no idea how viable it is, I guess the only way is to try

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:31 PM

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its possible

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but what i dont like about this is the implicit blocking wait

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Something potentially expensive such as blocking while the gpu waits can imo never be implicit

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:32 PM

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Hmm

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That's true

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:32 PM

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oh btw, binding descriptor sets is entirely transparent for me

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i bind them directly in the command buffer

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:32 PM

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🤔

#

How does that work?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:32 PM

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cmd.bind_uniform_buffer(0, 0, buffer);

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black magic

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no uh

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it tracks all bindigns until draw or dispatch is called

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then looks that info up in a hashmap

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returns descriptor if exists, allocates new one otherwise

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:33 PM

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What's the condition for the descriptor set existing?

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A descriptor set with all the bindings already specified in a previous frame?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:33 PM

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yes

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this works especially well with bindless because you have few truly unique descriptor sets

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:34 PM

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What about stale bindings

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:34 PM

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i keep track of when the last usage was

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if its >= n frames -> delete

#

i might pool those back into a new pool and re-use them instead of allocating but its not a problem for now

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:35 PM

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So each descriptor set has it's own frame timer or something?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:35 PM

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yeah

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:35 PM

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Or do they all share the same frame timer

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:35 PM

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thats all internal to the cache

#

its shrimply

template<typename R>
struct CacheEntry {
  size_t ttl;
  R resource;
  bool persistent;
}

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:36 PM

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🤔

#

// has the hash map used for all desc sets
auto desc_pool = allocate_desc_pool();
// render loop
{
  // make many desc sets...
  auto desc_sets = vector {
    desc_pool.allocate_thing(main_frame_timer),
    desc_pool.allocate_thing(main_frame_timer),
    ...
  };
  main_frame_timer.tick();
}```

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:39 PM

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yeah its updated once every frame with next_frame

#

wait

#

its more like

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:39 PM

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Do I need two hash maps?

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One for which descriptor bindnigs belong to descriptor sets

#

And another for the actual resources bound?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:40 PM

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no, those are together

#

the hashmap is a little like

#

struct DescriptorBinding {
  uint32_t binding;
  ResourceBinding resource; // a union or whatever
}

unordered_map<DescriptorBinding, CacheEntry<DescriptorSet>> cache;

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(yes i have hundreds of lines of code describing how to hash stuff)

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:41 PM

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I am conchfused

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:42 PM

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the exact same logic is also applied to pipelines btw, to create them on the fly once renderpass info is known

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Why is there a 1 to 1 mapping of descriptor sets and bindings?

#

One desc set has many bindings right?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:42 PM

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oh wait

#

that should be a vector<DescriptorBinding>

#

my bad

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:43 PM

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Hmm...........

#

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:43 PM

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🐸

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:44 PM

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nimble solar

we need this as a sticker or emote

#

To #1027528776717975592!

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:44 PM

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How do you keep track of which bindings have been bound (and which are new)?

#

You create a whole new desc set right?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:44 PM

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the command buffer keeps a list of these DescriptorBindings

#

yeah theres no partial invalidation going on now

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:44 PM

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Makes sense

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:45 PM

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I can implement it but im lazy and if you use bindless its kinda useless anyway

#

kekw

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:45 PM

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Yeah, partial invalidation is a lot of extra work for nothing I think

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:45 PM

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and then i need to look up the exact rules on descriptor set disturbing

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:45 PM

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This way you just have the ttl of the desc set as a whole

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:45 PM

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yeah

#

on each access its reset obviously

#

so if you use it every frame itll never be deleted

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:46 PM

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Reset?

#

Ah right

#

yes

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:47 PM

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pub struct InFlightContext {
    /// The current frame's swapchain image
    pub swapchain_image: Option<ImageView>,
    /// The current frame's swapchain image index
    pub swapchain_image_index: Option<usize>,
    pub(crate) wait_semaphore: Option<Arc<Semaphore>>,
    pub(crate) signal_semaphore: Option<Arc<Semaphore>>,
}

i would love to delete this struct

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:47 PM

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Is this good enough?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:48 PM

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oh yeah thats nice

#

much smoother

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:48 PM

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shadow trench ```rs pub struct InFlightContext { /// The current frame's swapchain image ...

Wat the hell is this

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:48 PM

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the present system thingy gives that to the command recorder stuff to do all the proper frame sync and know what swapchain image we have rn

#

but its ugly

#

it used to also fullfill the part of LocalPool but thats been ripped out now because it doesnt play well with out of frame submits

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and i dont like inconsistency between submitting/recording in a frame and on a background thread

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:50 PM

#

Wait

#

🤔

#

swapchain index? Not frame index?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:50 PM

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i used to "fix" this by allowing creating 'fake' InFlightContext structs where those optional fields are empty

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:50 PM

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nimble solar swapchain index? Not frame index?

not frame index no, thats not needed with the LocalPool

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because its kept alive as long as needed, theres no way to accidentally overlap access

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:51 PM

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What about per frame resources? How do you index into these?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:51 PM

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they have to be allocated through a local pool

nimble solar May 26, 2023, 1:52 PM

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Ah yes I see now

#

Thanks, I have gained a lot of insight and brain mass

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 1:53 PM

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frogapprove

#

anything to slowly convert the opengl frogs to vulkan

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:06 PM

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I have an idea to make this completely transparent but I don’t know if it’s a good one

#

I can stuff the local pool inside the command buffer and delete it together with it

#

That way you’d have to allocate through the command buffer instead

#

It already has all the information passed to it to construct a local pool anyway

#

But I’m not sure I like that a lot

#

The upside is you never have to worry about keeping the local pool alive

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:11 PM

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Hey at least you got accepted to uoft

#

I have no idea when to start submitting my uni submissions

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:39 PM

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Look at all these younglings still in high school

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:43 PM

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Lol

#

Hey man I just turned 17 I'm a big boy now!!11!1

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:46 PM

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KEKW KEKW

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:48 PM

#

Also question about your terrain

#

How do you handle edits/brushes exactly?

#

Do you just read back the heights and then modify them by some delta (based on brush size/weight?)

#

I'm working on an octree voxel terrain ATM and I'm about to implement terrain edits and unfortunately I can have persistent voxel data because of the octree so I have to find a different way to handle terrain edits (maybe using CSG ops) instead of brushes

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:51 PM

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young oar Do you just read back the heights and then modify them by some delta (based on b...

Its entirely in compute

#

I create a cmd buf with the compute submit for the edit and add that to the current frame’s submit call

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:53 PM

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Yea makes sense

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:54 PM

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Reading back height data would introduce too much delay I think

#

Plus you’d need to double buffer it

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Yep

#

I'm gonna do my edits using compute as well since my voxel texture only persists for one frame anyways

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:57 PM

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Yeah I’m sure it’s doable

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:57 PM

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I guess I'll need to regenerate the terrain everything I do an edit

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:57 PM

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Plus you get nice gpu parallelization

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:58 PM

#

shadow trench Plus you get nice gpu parallelization

Yep

#

2-4 ms for like 20 octaves of voronoi and simplex noise in a 64^3 volume is not bad at all

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:58 PM

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Oh yeah that’ll be fine

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Compared to like 200ms on the cpu lol

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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💀

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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I feel bad for my laptop 1050 tho

#

It's definitely shitting itself lol

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Is it 2ms on a 1050

young oar May 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Yep

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

#

Oh

#

So basically free

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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Yea not counting rendering tho

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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I can do a quick profile on my pc when I get back to uni on sunday

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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Only compute is 2-4 ms

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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I have a 3060 ti there

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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Holy

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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Compared to my laptop MX250 KEKW

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:01 PM

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Never heard of that lmfao

#

Amd? Intel?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 4:01 PM

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Its a laptop nvidia gpu

#

pretty bad tho

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:01 PM

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My old laptop had a gt525m lol

#

Could barely run the simplest unity scene above 60fps

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 4:02 PM

#

dread_cat

#

I used to have a 1050 ti in my pc though

#

Was a pretty solid gpu honestly

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:03 PM

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Yea my dad has a desktop with a 1060

#

Surprisingly much more powerful than my laptop 1050

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 4:03 PM

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That’s the case with laptop gpus usually

#

Its why I don’t bother with them at all

young oar May 26, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Yea

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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shadow trench Reading back height data would introduce too much delay I think

readback for what?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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for editing using a brush

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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yeah are you saying applying the brush edit on cpu?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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im saying im not doing that :P

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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yes that what i meant

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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im doing it in a compute shader instead

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:09 PM

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the program i've worked on that did CPU editing doesn't readback for CPU brush application, it just stores on CPU and uploads changes when dirty

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:09 PM

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https://www.notapenguin.blog/posts/terrain-brush/ i have it explaind in a lot more detail here

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:09 PM

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i read that :P i was just trying to figure out if i understood what you meant with that sentence

#

since i don't think many programs would be storing on GPU, move to RAM to edit, then move back to GPU

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:10 PM

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oh yeah right

#

That sounds inefficient to do yeah

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:10 PM

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inefficient either way from RAM :P

#

i'm honestly surprised the unnamed program that i've worked on does it 2flushed

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:11 PM

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floomba

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:12 PM

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especially considering the brush position is obtained off a render result readback dogekek

#

if that makes sense

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:13 PM

#

yeah im a bit confused as to why you would do that

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:13 PM

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so paint delay is 2ish upload frames and 2 readback frames

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:13 PM

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i find the readback delay not too noticable but add another 2 frames and i might get annoyed

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:13 PM

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depends on framerate of the program

#

do you have framerate locked?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:14 PM

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i dont atm

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:14 PM

#

ye, should help

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:15 PM

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i dont really know what do do about repainting yet

#

I used to only redraw the terrain on change

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:15 PM

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oh btw is undoing gonna be hellish for you 🙂

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:15 PM

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but i scrapped that for simplicity for now

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:15 PM

#

coarse yoke oh btw is undoing gonna be hellish for you 🙂

yeah KEKW

#

i plan on making a copy of the heightmap when a stroke starts

#

so you can undo full strokes

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:16 PM

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i wonder if you could actually store the undo buffers on RAM if you really wanted to have an extended history

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:16 PM

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no idea

#

i mean

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:16 PM

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would be annoying but i bet some programs do that

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:17 PM

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you probably could write them back on a background thread tbh

#

and save the ones very deep down to disk even

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 5:18 PM

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if i was an academic who could spend 9 months of my life working on a single thing

#

that'd be a fun project lmao

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 5:18 PM

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kek yeah maybe lol

young oar May 26, 2023, 6:59 PM

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Wait I thought this was a personal project but it's for academics instead?

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 7:02 PM

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no it is a personal project

coarse yoke May 26, 2023, 7:40 PM

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i was just making a remark about how it would take a long time to get it working seamlessly

young oar May 26, 2023, 8:26 PM

#

Ohh yea totally

young oar May 26, 2023, 8:27 PM

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shadow trench no it is a personal project

Imagine if it was though

#

It would be pretty cool

shadow trench May 26, 2023, 8:29 PM

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yeah that would be awesome

potent quest May 28, 2023, 1:01 AM

#

Tempted rn to flip a coin to pick my uni

#

Let an rng algorithm decide my fate 🗣️🗣️

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 8:35 AM

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nervous

mild flower May 28, 2023, 12:35 PM

#

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 12:35 PM

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the man himself

#

gigaChad

mild flower May 28, 2023, 12:36 PM

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The McMahon himself

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 12:37 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dhanush-vanakam-jagame-thandhiram-vanakam-tamil-dhanush-vanakam-vanakam-everyone-gif-20481729

Tenor

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 5:55 PM

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jesus fucking christ rust

#

go to rustlang...

#

find out how t install rust

#

read this

#

Rustup: the Rust installer and version management tool
The primary way that folks install Rust is through a tool called Rustup, which is a Rust installer and version management tool.

#

install rustup

#

run rustup update

#

read this:

[deccer@rootfs ~]$ rustup update
info: no updatable toolchains installed
info: cleaning up downloads & tmp directories
info: self-update is disabled for this build of rustup
info: any updates to rustup will need to be fetched with your system package manager

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

#

Try running cargo

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

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there is no cargo installed along with rustup

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

#

huh

#

rustup should install everything

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

#

i just installed rustup in me arch

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

#

It was super simple when I did it last time

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

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seems to be an official package

#

not some jank thing from aur

#

deccer@rootfs ~]$ sudo pacman -S rustup
warning: rustup-1.26.0-3 is up to date -- reinstalling
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (1) rustup-1.26.0-3

Total Installed Size:  6.98 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:      0.00 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:01 PM

#

Archwiki says to install the rust package

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:01 PM

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heh

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:01 PM

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That should install rustc + rustup + cargo

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:01 PM

#

its a running back and forth again it seems

#

yeah

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:02 PM

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Ah you might need to rustup default stable

#

To install a toolchain

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:02 PM

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first thing you read on their webshite

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Yeh I think that’s how I did it too

#

I don’t remember but I had a working install on arch with no major issues

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:03 PM

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im just whining in my language, not complaining

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:03 PM

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KEKW

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:03 PM

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rustup default schtable is also not mentioned on the installing rust 🙂 or "getting-started" or "kwik install"

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Yet here he is installing rust

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

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hot yarrow `rustup default schtable` is also not mentioned on the installing rust 🙂 or "ge...

Yeh I found that on the arch wiki for a manual install

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

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deccer has been taken by the Rust demon 😦

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

#

Soon you too will join

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

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lol

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

#

does rust have equivalent UI to C#'s Avalonia

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Lemme check what avalonia is

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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i hate rust already

#

look at the scrollbar

#

every schmuck on the planet who has touched rust, HAD to make a vscode plugin

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:06 PM

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get rust-analyzer

#

But

#

IntelliJ >>>>

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:06 PM

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ah clion better?

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Yeah

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:06 PM

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alrighty

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:06 PM

#

Any jetbrains ide will do but intellij and clion are good

#

There’s a great rust plugin

#

Managed by jetbrains

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:07 PM

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nimble solar does rust have equivalent UI to C#'s Avalonia

I don’t think so

#

Rust UI ecosystem is somewhat lacking atm

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 6:07 PM

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then the rust demon cannot claim my soul

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:08 PM

#

froge_sad

#

Out of curiosity, what brings you to rust @hot yarrow

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 6:13 PM

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c++

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 6:14 PM

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bleakekw

#

Highly understandable

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 6:14 PM

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What reading [over.match] does to a mf

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 7:48 PM

#

#

happy frog

coarse yoke May 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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is that valorant

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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unfortunately

coarse yoke May 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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unfortunately for me i recognize the font and background

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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dread_cat

#

its good that im washed or i might accidentally have fun

coarse yoke May 28, 2023, 7:58 PM

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at least its' not league 🙂

shadow trench May 28, 2023, 7:58 PM

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i never played that game luckily

#

i also dont plan to

shrewd lynx May 28, 2023, 10:15 PM

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Valorant moment

coarse yoke May 28, 2023, 11:02 PM

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ok but on the topic of valorant

#

why is the aliasing in this game so bad

#

there are so many effects that have 2 pixel wide jaggies

#

example 1

#

example 2 is harbor ult

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 11:03 PM

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No FSR

#

Clearly inferior game

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 11:04 PM

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this game needs to run on your 10yearold brother's potato laptop

coarse yoke May 28, 2023, 11:04 PM

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NotLikeThis

#

isn't this what graphics settings are for

hot yarrow May 28, 2023, 11:05 PM

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dont elite player set those to low anyway?

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 11:05 PM

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Ngl implementing FSR would actually give you more performance

coarse yoke May 28, 2023, 11:05 PM

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yes but i'm not an elite player so i do not care

nimble solar May 28, 2023, 11:05 PM

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~~Assuming they don't use OpenGL on NVIDIA, in which case you get randomized performance~~

shrewd lynx May 29, 2023, 4:13 AM

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nimble solar ~~Assuming they don't use OpenGL on NVIDIA, in which case you get randomized per...

They use ue4

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They literally have zero excuse

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 8:33 AM

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coarse yoke why is the aliasing in this game so bad

The aliasing on the minimap is super bad

livid geode May 29, 2023, 9:58 AM

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shadow trench IntelliJ >>>>

that is debatable

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:59 AM

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im not a big fan of vscode

livid geode May 29, 2023, 10:00 AM

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im not talking about the ide but the lang server

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 10:00 AM

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ah

livid geode May 29, 2023, 10:02 AM

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hot yarrow read this: ```bash [deccer@rootfs ~]$ rustup update info: no updatable toolchain...

this is pretty much what you'd expect if you're installing it from a package manager

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it can't update itself because it's not managed by itself

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what did you end up doing?

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i recommend installing it the official way (the cmd in theit website) because you can update it more easily that way

young oar May 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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@shadow trench you use fsr for your engine correct?

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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yep

young oar May 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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Is it stable enough for use

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(Fsr I mean)

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 5:59 PM

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Yeah I think so

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It looks pretty good

young oar May 29, 2023, 5:59 PM

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I'm thinking of hacking my way through wgpu and somehow implementing fsr for it

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Probably impossible but I'd like to try

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 5:59 PM

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you can probably just call the raw bindings in the middle of your command buffer

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as long as you add barriers before and after for sync itll work fine most likely

young oar May 29, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Ah well that's impossible lol

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 6:00 PM

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is it actually

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shit api

young oar May 29, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Wgpu has an internal command buffer

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 6:00 PM

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use phobos ™️

young oar May 29, 2023, 6:00 PM

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So it doesn't actually tell vulkan to record when you want it to

young oar May 29, 2023, 6:01 PM

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shadow trench use phobos ™️

I might I might

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I want smthing vulkaney but not too high level

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Cause I already have a nice thicc wrapper around wgpu atm

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 6:01 PM

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thats sort of what i went for tbh

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annoying parts like sync are abstracted

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for me at least using it feels like using vk without the boilerplate

young oar May 29, 2023, 6:02 PM

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O-o

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That sounds very interesting

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I gave up on vulkan cause of the boilerplate and sync

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But if it's somewhat bearable then I just might

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 6:03 PM

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you can check the samples for what exactly it looks like

young oar May 29, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Doing so this instant lol

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Yea it's interesting

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 6:28 PM

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if you have any issues or questions you can always let me know

young oar May 29, 2023, 8:23 PM

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Awesome

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 8:45 PM

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I play on max graphics and this is the AA I get

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what a scam

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😔

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:02 PM

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shadow trench I play on max graphics and this is the AA I get

W crosshair though

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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gigaChad true

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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shadow trench 😔

I have such a burning hatred for AA that I plan to just not support it in my engine

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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FSR2 is a form of AA

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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Ohh really?

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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yeh

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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I thought it just upscaled things and sharpened it

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:03 PM

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its TAA + upscaling

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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Oh fuck it's temporal??

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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if you do 1:1 upscale its just TAA

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yeh

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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bleakekw

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Aight I guess no FSR2 for me either

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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modern AA is fine

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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young oar Aight I guess no FSR2 for me either

bleakekw

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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shadow trench I play on max graphics and this is the AA I get

btw u ever see this in harbor ults

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it's like they do the effect at half res with basically no upscaling KEKW

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:05 PM

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KEKW

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:05 PM

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not even anti-aliasing, this is applied aliasing

nimble solar May 29, 2023, 9:05 PM

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anti-anti-aliasing

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:05 PM

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max graphics settings btw

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:06 PM

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what happened here lol

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:06 PM

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the bedframe is what i wanna know about

nimble solar May 29, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Thank god I only play real games

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:06 PM

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im going back to my factorio addiction

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:07 PM

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coarse yoke the bedframe is what i wanna know about

yeah that too lol

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:07 PM

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i think it's literally just done at half res

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no clue why they'd do that though

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:07 PM

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covers a large screen area i guess

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but eh

coarse yoke May 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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this setting though?

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also is it not literally just a decal

nimble solar May 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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I like how steam still asks me for a review

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Like, what do you expect me to say

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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2k hours nervous

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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coarse yoke i think it's literally just done at half res

Yea some effects in Val are like that

nimble solar May 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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good game, may cause severe addiction

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:09 PM

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true tbh

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:09 PM

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Yep

nimble solar May 29, 2023, 9:10 PM

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I clicked play

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it's over

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:11 PM

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see you in 3 weeks

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o7

young oar May 29, 2023, 9:11 PM

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o7

nimble solar May 29, 2023, 9:11 PM

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The factory must grow 🫡

shadow trench May 29, 2023, 9:11 PM

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shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:40 PM

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I have spent the day playing factorio

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As you can clearly tell my exams start next week

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:40 PM

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lmfao same

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i spent all weekend playing factorio and doing hardware shit with my friends

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still haven´t launched a single rocket tho

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have you finished the game?

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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😔

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I was close but I didn’t bother and went to play space exploration instead

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I did launch one there but it’s a bit faster

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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is it?

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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I think so yeah

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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doesn´t it start much simpler

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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No yellow or purple science

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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ohjhh

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did you get the achievement for it

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:42 PM

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After blue it’s straight to rocket building

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No

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:42 PM

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shadow trench After blue it’s straight to rocket building

god i wish

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:42 PM

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Im continuing that save now, just finished destroying my entire old base so I can start from scratch but with all my resources left :P

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I have 300k plates in warehouses NanaStare

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:49 PM

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im still saving resources to do exactly that

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my old base sucks balls

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:49 PM

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yeh mine did too

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:49 PM

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i kinda hate main bus

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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idk how i will deal with this

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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well not hate but just dislike

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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livid geode i kinda hate main bus

same

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im building train base now

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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shadow trench idk how i will deal with this

iiiiish

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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shadow trench im building train base now

ye thats exactly what i was gonna go for

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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its fun

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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just seems more disconnected and has much less buffering

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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yeah

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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also that

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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i mean you have buffers in your unloaders but thats fine ish

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:51 PM

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but those are good

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:51 PM

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yeah

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:51 PM

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because they decrease unloading times

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the material transported is determined by what you put into the cargo wagons

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not the distance between the source and target

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:52 PM

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true

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im using cybersyn now for train scheduling, its a lot easier to set up stations than ltn imo

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:52 PM

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like in a main bus base its completely ineffective or inviable to make bus liens of some stuff because theyre really expensive to buffer but in a rail base thats no issue (specially because you can easily allocate space in cargo wagons with exactly what you want and how much of it you want)

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:52 PM

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shadow trench im using cybersyn now for train scheduling, its a lot easier to set up stations ...

ill have to check that out

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:53 PM

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also adding lanes is hard

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with trains you set up a new provider and youre done

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:54 PM

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true

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lmao its like car infrastructure vs irl trains

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:55 PM

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KEKW

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not wrong

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:55 PM

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just one more lane bro

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Copium

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:55 PM

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it will fix the traffic im sure bro just one more

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its also much easier to make malls and other factories for

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with a main bus you need lanes for everything

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with a train system you just need a single train connection

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:57 PM

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true

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although theres only one true king

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:57 PM

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then you can assign a train to collect exactly what you need

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:57 PM

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spaghetti base

livid geode May 30, 2023, 3:57 PM

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true

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without spaghetti base we would not have nice bases

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 3:58 PM

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indeed

nimble solar May 30, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I switched to 16 bit bus for iron and copper, loaded and unloaded by trains, it was a real fucking pain to setup but it's so worthit

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My iron has never had so much

T H R O U G H P U T

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The bus-es are also localized so I don't have unnecessary space dedicated to ungodly amounts of belts

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Everything is handled by train loaders and unloaders which I spam at every facility I have

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There's also a Primary Production Facility (PPF) and a Secondary Production Facility (SPF) which produce all the materials needed for most craftings (green red blue circuits, belts, dubious liquids like L U B E)

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 4:24 PM

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LUBE

nimble solar May 30, 2023, 4:25 PM

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There is an 8 lane train system which starts from the PPF and the SPF and goes to the numerous APFs (Auxiliary Production Facilities)

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 4:29 PM

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sounds very large scale

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id love to make my new mall not a mess and use logistics bots but unfortunately SE says no

mild flower May 30, 2023, 6:27 PM

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@shadow trench are your rust bindings for fsr 2 on github

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 6:27 PM

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yeh

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https://github.com/NotAPenguin0/fsr2-rs

mild flower May 30, 2023, 6:27 PM

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thx, I wanted to show my coworkers

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 6:27 PM

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froge_love

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i may have removed the dx backend

mild flower May 30, 2023, 6:28 PM

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I see 😄

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np

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 6:29 PM

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the compiler binaries they ship are too large, crates.io has a 10mb upload limit KEKW

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:19 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monke-neuron-activation-neuron-activation-gif-20850506

Tenor

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nimble solar May 30, 2023, 7:24 PM

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Hmm

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How's efficiency

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red belts have a 900 items/min throughput

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:24 PM

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i did the maffs

nimble solar May 30, 2023, 7:24 PM

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Epic

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:24 PM

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apart from my unloader being a little slow

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each lane should consume a red belt

nimble solar May 30, 2023, 7:25 PM

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'ery nice

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frOK

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:25 PM

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i despise steel

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you put down hundreds of furnaces and the result is so sad

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:31 PM

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i never did any maffs in any game, i just play like an idiot

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but i also have never played past yellow science 😄

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:31 PM

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hot yarrow i never did any maffs in any game, i just play like an idiot

Angry Anno 1800 player noises

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:31 PM

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Anno 1800 is ❤️

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:32 PM

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It's going to be so hard for BlueByte Mainz to beat that one

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imho a masterpiece in the genre now with the DLCs

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:32 PM

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when my pc was still working i played it quite a log with a colleague and it was always 3 or 4am in the morning when we stopped XD

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yeah

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and you need all dlcs, but all worth it tbh

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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oh that looks cool

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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I kinda wish they'd have gone with the PDX route for multiplayer at least

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so only host needs dlc

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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i mean they dont cost an arm and a leg

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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well if they are on sale

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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(unlike paradox dlcs)

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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KEKW

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:33 PM

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and they are on special every now and then

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:34 PM

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well and there's the gold edition now or whatever it's called

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:34 PM

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yeah

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:34 PM

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shadow trench (unlike paradox dlcs)

I always think that PDX dlc policy was actually pretty fine

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:34 PM

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id just love my uplay account to become a steam account so that i can just play via steam

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:34 PM

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You play those games long term

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they have a core playerbase

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:34 PM

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wispy ore I always think that PDX dlc policy was actually pretty fine

yeah its mostly fine

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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ofc. with CK3 and Vicky 3 the prices for DLC are a bit too high for me

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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i mostly played stellaris and cities skylines

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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But I tend to think of it more as a "very soft" subscription model

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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i only plaid stellaris for some time back then

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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Stellaris is very nice

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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have a screenshot of me conkuqering the whole universe 🙂

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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but currently waiting for Diablo 4 KEKW

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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i can get so immersed in that game, its great

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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hot yarrow have a screenshot of me conkuqering the whole universe 🙂

did you enjoy endgame lag

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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it was like 7 years ago or so

wispy ore May 30, 2023, 7:36 PM

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shadow trench i can get so immersed in that game, its great

it's nice getting immersed in genocide on a galactic scale

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:36 PM

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nefarious

warped beacon May 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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shadow trench I did launch one there but it’s a bit faster

I do not agree with this

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I think space exploration makes a lot of the processes more difficult

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I believe you just got more used to the game

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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yeah thats definitely possible

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i do find it much more fun, but then again i tend to have a masochist tendency in these kind of games sometimes KEKW

warped beacon May 30, 2023, 7:57 PM

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Space exploration is fun

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 8:01 PM

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i recently played through everspace2

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finished main story + few side quests in ~27hrs and played a little further to 30hrs

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it gets super repetetteteive and the story turned very meh at the end

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according to the interweb, if you solve everything you can spend ~70-90hrs

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 8:06 PM

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thats a pretty short game

hot yarrow May 30, 2023, 8:07 PM

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they are working on a dlc for end of year, and a paid expansion for q2 2024

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but ye

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also quite repeteteive... fly to x, to get the job, fly across your accessible universe to look at something there, just to fly back to get the XP or whatever

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plus the random side quests here and there

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:41 PM

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Fellas

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I am proud to announce

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I have picked my university

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by RNG

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:41 PM

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bleakekw

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:41 PM

#

#

this is divine intervention

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look at that wheel

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:42 PM

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LMAO

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:42 PM

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i have to go now

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i alreadt submitted these changes

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:42 PM

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are you sure you dont want to go to toronto to do math

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:42 PM

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It's scarborough

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not st. geiorge because i forgot to aply

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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that doesnt sound like a real place

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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it's not 💀 it's their bad campus

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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KEKW

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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also all these unis will lead me to the same point

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its just how much debt i go into

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this is why it was agonizing to pick KEKW

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they're all good options

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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fair enough

potent quest May 30, 2023, 10:44 PM

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im so proud i let an rng algo decide my fate

shadow trench May 30, 2023, 10:44 PM

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as long as this is a good one

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and you dont regret it later

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enough factorio for today probably

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i built this entire area today except the solars

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from the ashes of my old mess arises a new mess

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yes the train stations at the iron and copper smelters are stupid i realized that too late

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ill fix it eventually

potent quest May 30, 2023, 11:56 PM

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yo

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im starting to regret ym choice

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but

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the other option ottawa would put me

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into crippling student debt

mild flower May 31, 2023, 12:13 AM

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what

coarse yoke May 31, 2023, 12:20 AM

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this channel is this meme

c9498d2feb9caf63f4d5f5ea2369967c850f9e02d4cd92c55ca2540dba117a33_1.png

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but instead of the first part, it's andromeda

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and instead of ant farm, it's factorio

shadow trench May 31, 2023, 8:41 AM

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Bringing back #memes step by step

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 2:15 AM

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potent quest

GG!!

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I'm thinking of going UofT for CS / Graphics Dev (if they have it?) but idk yet

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 2:50 AM

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@young oar It’s a gamble.

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I am not joking

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Apply early as well. They seem to be more receptive to lower averages to people who apply early. So i’m not kidding, like prepare your application before they even open and apply ASAP
Later you apply -> higher averages you get. It’s how kids with 99s and 98s get rejected from UTSG.

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I;m so sorry penguins for temporarily turning this place to university apps 😭

mild flower Jun 1, 2023, 2:52 AM

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it won't be nearly as bad as when you start doing job apps bleakekw

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imagine trying to survive the moisture wars while looking for a job

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 2:52 AM

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But their GP is the strongest in Canada imo. They offer very good and compelling courses. However, they don’t offer a ray tracing course. Iirc UOttawa only does

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 2:53 AM

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mild flower it won't be nearly as bad as when you start doing job apps <:bleakekw:1082598350...

bleakekw
From what I heard it isn’t bad here

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Almost every uni offers co-op here in Canada. So it’s not uncommon to go back to work full-time at your co-op

mild flower Jun 1, 2023, 2:54 AM

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btw university of rochester (which is close to toronto) offers color science degrees, but I think only MS and PhD

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 2:54 AM

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Color science?

mild flower Jun 1, 2023, 2:55 AM

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color perception and reproduction is an extremely complicated topic

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yet it's very important in (and any other field where images are produced)

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 2:55 AM

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Ohhhhhhh

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Maybe that was the degree I was supposed to do KEKW

mild flower Jun 1, 2023, 2:56 AM

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things like """gamma correction""" and """tonemapping""" (which aren't even correct terms) are the tip of the color science iceberg (and there is a stupid amount of misinfo about it on the internet)

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 2:57 AM

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Oh damn

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Huh I assumed color science would be way more like

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Pigments to make paintings

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Also I’m devastated. I just learnt today that US unis don’t require you to take SATs at all 😭

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I would’ve tried for Cornell bro

mild flower Jun 1, 2023, 2:59 AM

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by SAT do you mean the standardized test

mild flower Jun 1, 2023, 3:01 AM

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potent quest Pigments to make paintings

lol that kind of stuff would be taught in an art degree

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 3:02 AM

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mild flower by SAT do you mean the standardized test

Yeah. Apperantly a lot of US unis dropped the standardized testing requirements

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 3:13 AM

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potent quest But their GP is the strongest in Canada imo. They offer very good and compelling...

Yayyy

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 3:14 AM

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potent quest Apply early as well. They seem to be more receptive to lower averages to people ...

Appreciate the tip!

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That's definitely going to help

potent quest Jun 1, 2023, 3:21 AM

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young oar That's definitely going to help

Good luck man! UTSG requires a supplemental form so make sure you stack your ECs with your interests. UTSC only looks at your average. UTM hasn’t change their CS POSt requirements so it’s still insanely hard there.

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Hmm what else. UTSG is the main campus you want, but I would say also apply to UTSC CS as a back up.

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 3:34 AM

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Solid solid

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 9:39 AM

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im thinking of generating material properties based on the height data

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i dont know if its possible at all but it sounds interesting

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color can maybe be done using a few base colors/textures + noise + normals

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:18 PM

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shadow trench im thinking of generating material properties based on the height data

That's what I do

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I use 3 onion textures for albedo/normals/mask and blend within them using clamped normal up scalar

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:26 PM

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how does that work pepe_think

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does the user supply base textures and you modify them based on height data?

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:49 PM

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Oui

#

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Left is albedo

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Right is normal data

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There's a lot of noticeable tiling cause I use simple triplanar mapping

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And it's already taking 3ms per frame bleakekw

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:52 PM

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i wouldnt do it every frame so i can afford fairly expensive procedures

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:53 PM

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Oh it's my frag shader

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:53 PM

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ah does it interpolate between the different albedo textures based on steepness and whatnot

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:53 PM

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shadow trench ah does it interpolate between the different albedo textures based on steepness ...

Yep exactly

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:53 PM

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i see

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i could add some noise to it to reduce tiling

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:53 PM

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I need to find a way to fetch barycentric coordinates to handle custom "painted" materials

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:54 PM

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shadow trench i could add some noise to it to reduce tiling

I would if it wasn't taking 8ms / frame to render the whole scene lol

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It's so slow and I have no idea why

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:54 PM

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id probably rebuild this on every stroke end

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full async obviously

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:54 PM

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Yeap

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:54 PM

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and then swap out the new textures when its done

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 12:54 PM

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Yes

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Buffer all the things

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KEKW

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 12:55 PM

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always

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KEKW

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:16 PM

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are you just saying procedural materials?

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:17 PM

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shadow trench im thinking of generating material properties based on the height data

otherwise i do not understand

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 3:17 PM

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possibly

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i havent done anything like that before

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so i dont really know what im talking about KEKW

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:18 PM

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do you want a recommendation?

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 3:18 PM

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Sure yeah

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:20 PM

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ok, it'd take a bit, like probably a couple of weeks, but building shaders out of a node graph might not be as hard as you think

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you expose some textures derived from the terrain, and you add math operators and the output nodes, then build an hlsl string out of it

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not quite a normal shader graph

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since it's special cased for the terrain, but that conceptually at least

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 3:23 PM

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young oar And it's already taking 3ms per frame <:bleakekw:1082598350303539240>

big chance that a lot of it is small triangles with oversamlpling textures

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 3:24 PM

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That seems like a good idea yeah

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:24 PM

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i've really wanted to build a shader graph editor for the past like year after working with some for my job, just haven't had the time

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i feel the same about the terrain editor and they're closely related dogekek

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 3:25 PM

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Yeah I’ll do some tinkering :)

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Thanks for the advice froge

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:25 PM

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np

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from my experience, the node editor was more complicated than the shader graph :)

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 3:26 PM

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Heh I can imagine tbh

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 3:46 PM

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there aren't many great non-fully procedural alternatives i think, though one workaround would be just to have good exporting and importing with splatmaps

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 4:15 PM

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wispy ore big chance that a lot of it is small triangles with oversamlpling textures

Yea most probably

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I need to find a better way to sample my textures

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9+ texture samples don't seem too good

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 4:24 PM

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young oar 9+ texture samples don't seem too good

I mean it is better than 96

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 4:24 PM

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...

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You have 96 texture samples....?

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 4:25 PM

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no

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but farcry 5 optimized from that

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down to 12 or so

young oar Jun 1, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Holy fuck

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That is a lot

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It also might be because I'm using onion textures

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Maybe they have an impact on performance when sampled?

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 4:26 PM

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onion = array?

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 4:27 PM

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it's pretty easy to get to large numbers when you're sampling multiple materials

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imagine each material has 6 channels, and you support 8 materials

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 4:28 PM

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https://ubm-twvideo01.s3.amazonaws.com/o1/vault/gdc2018/presentations/TerrainRenderingFarCry5.pdf

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 4:29 PM

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yeah or you support 6 materials with 4 channels and sample each 4 times :P

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that's where the 96 came from i see

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 4:29 PM

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yep

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but that was for cliffs

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not for the terrain itself

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afaik for that they still used adaptive virtual textures

coarse yoke Jun 1, 2023, 4:33 PM

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wispy ore down to 12 or so

8 to 12 even!

wispy ore Jun 1, 2023, 4:35 PM

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coarse yoke 8 to 12 even!

yeah

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funnily enough 8 for the close cliffs

shadow trench Jun 1, 2023, 4:45 PM

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96 samples NanaStare

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jesus

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:25 AM

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potent quest But their GP is the strongest in Canada imo. They offer very good and compelling...

I looked up ECS in this discord and somehow found this chat. FYI I’ve taken every graphics course and honestly they’re not really good

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It’s just RT basics

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Sorry for off topic

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:28 AM

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watcha lookin up ECS for :)

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:28 AM

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Haha

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I’m trying to figure out how ECS’ work with transform hierarchies

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Or if they just go away with the concept completely

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:29 AM

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i don't think penguin minds off topic much

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:29 AM

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Since ECS have non deterministic iteration I’m inclined to think it’s removed

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:29 AM

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i would suggest doing away with them

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:29 AM

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Hm ok

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:30 AM

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as in

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well, how much do you care about performance

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:30 AM

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Not remotely

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There will be like 1000s of objects at most

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Want to write first then benchmark

mild flower Jun 2, 2023, 3:31 AM

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pulsar ingot I’m trying to figure out how ECS’ work with transform hierarchies

https://skypjack.github.io/2019-06-25-ecs-baf-part-4/

ECS back and forth

Part 4 - Hierarchies

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:31 AM

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mild flower https://skypjack.github.io/2019-06-25-ecs-baf-part-4/

Wtf ty

mild flower Jun 2, 2023, 3:31 AM

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Multiple options are presented

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:31 AM

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if you have an entity hierarchy, you can just store an entity reference (even as a component!), or you can store the entire hierarchy in an entity

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:31 AM

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Such a specific problem I’m surprised someone bothered lol

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:31 AM

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skypjack has an awesome ecs library

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the one that i use

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:32 AM

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I’m a filthy rustacean

mild flower Jun 2, 2023, 3:32 AM

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ECS and hierarchies aren't very niche in gamedev haha

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:32 AM

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So references are kind of a PITA depending on the usage

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:32 AM

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you can store the entire hierarchy in an entity
this actually isn't that bad of an option FWIW, it's how my game works

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if you import a model, splitting apart that hierarchy means you lose the hierarchical transforms, and there is no parent/child relationship between entities

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but models still have them to keep GLTF importing easy

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:34 AM

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coarse yoke if you import a model, splitting apart that hierarchy means you lose the hierarc...

I was hoping to just shove everything into a big node hierarchy for the entire game world, but it’s proving to be difficult to load models into memory and then spawn/duplicate them

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Because of rust’s borrow checking I resorted to having transforms just be handles into a “node context”

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Handles being indices into a slotmap

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But it makes it hard to duplicate or spawn entire prefabs

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That’s the big issue idk how to solve

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A good design pattern for that

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:36 AM

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pulsar ingot But it makes it hard to duplicate or spawn entire prefabs

(Duplicating handles is worthless)

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:37 AM

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one of the things about ECS is that it already handles the thing that parent/child relationships often are trying to solve
e.g. my characters have a healthbar, usually making this a child of the character would be a solution, but with ECS it's just a component that's fairly easy to construct it's transform from the entity's base transform component

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:37 AM

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Oh

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That’s a good point

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:37 AM

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so i'd make sure that you need an entity relationship hierarchy first, which fair enough if do

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:38 AM

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It’s mainly just for importing GLTF tbh

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I use blender to author maps, and export custom attributes per node

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I figured maintaining the hierarchy would be beneficial but maybe I could flatten it depending on what the object is I guess (?)

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Honestly I just put everything into a giant node hierarchy because of frame interpolation: you can make the camera a node, skeletons into nodes, game objects into nodes etc

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Then just interpolate the entire node context

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I was hoping to keep that so I didn’t need specialized frame interpolation for every single type of object which might have one or more transforms

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:41 AM

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that's fun

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it may be worth just managing the entity references honestly

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:42 AM

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What would that look like then? Do you mean the system you proposed where instead of child/parent you just have components or

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:43 AM

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i'll move channels, i don't wanna pollute penguin's channel too much lmao
https://discord.com/channels/318590007881236480/1019758048912359525

pulsar ingot Jun 2, 2023, 3:43 AM

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Sry

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:43 AM

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i take responsibility

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 8:50 AM

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kek all good

wispy ore Jun 2, 2023, 12:58 PM

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https://hal.science/hal-04049125/ 👀

Large-scale terrain authoring through interactive erosion simulation

Large-scale terrains are essential in the definition of virtual worlds. Given the diversity of landforms and the geomorphological complexity, there is a need for authoring techniques offering hydrological consistency without sacrificing user control. In this paper, we bridge the gap between large-scale erosion simulation and authoring into an ef...

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 12:58 PM

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👀

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 3:45 PM

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is anything wip 🙂

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 4:15 PM

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I have been cooking material graphs in my head

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But concretely I have been playing factorio and studying

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Exams next week :(

livid geode Jun 2, 2023, 4:25 PM

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shadow trench But concretely I have been playing factorio and studying

moooooooood

nimble solar Jun 2, 2023, 4:26 PM

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shadow trench I have been cooking material graphs in my head

Why is this so relatable

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I've also been cooking mesh shading in my head, but currently studying

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😭

livid geode Jun 2, 2023, 4:28 PM

#

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nice flagspeech lol

hot yarrow Jun 2, 2023, 4:41 PM

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heh

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 4:47 PM

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shadow trench I have been cooking material graphs in my head

i see

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you gonna NIH node editor or just yoink one?

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if you do it that is

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 4:50 PM

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livid geode

Real

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 4:51 PM

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coarse yoke you gonna NIH node editor or just yoink one?

Idk yet 🤷

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 4:55 PM

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livid geode

@hot yarrow can u pin this

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 5:05 PM

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coarse yoke you gonna NIH node editor or just yoink one?

to clarify this in more detail, i think there is a node editor thingy for egui but if i use it i probably want to customize/extend it

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and at that point i might want to make my own anyway

coarse yoke Jun 2, 2023, 5:19 PM

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im not sure

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node editors do seem tough, but also perhaps fun

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 5:25 PM

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Yeah

livid geode Jun 2, 2023, 5:38 PM

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factorio timeeeee

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 5:43 PM

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train_wagon

livid geode Jun 2, 2023, 5:53 PM

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engithink

hot yarrow Jun 2, 2023, 7:13 PM

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livid geode

shadow trench Jun 2, 2023, 7:13 PM

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Thank

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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@shadow trench YOUR TIME HAS COME

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i will now test phobos

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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NanaStare

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LETSFUCKINGGO

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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you will be judged

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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dont use the readme example

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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and your library will be heavily abused

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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bleakekw

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:46 PM

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shadow trench dont use the readme example

we starting off good

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:46 PM

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shadow trench dont use the readme example

(its outdated)

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the ones in examples/ are fine

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im still updating docs

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also i suggest using the git version but pinning to a commit

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:51 PM

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bleakekw

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why

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:51 PM

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some small improvements that arent published yet

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:52 PM

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could you publish a new version when you have time?

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ill use git for now sure

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:52 PM

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yeah ill finish going over all the docs and publish

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that should also get rid of outdated examples

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:53 PM

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lesgo

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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user feedback will be nice for improvements i hope

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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the example runner code is really long

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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it is yeah, i gotta clean that up

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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i personally dont like when libs do that

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i sincerely prefer having repeated code in examples

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:55 PM

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its a bit of a mess

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hmm i see

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ill clean that mess up soon, but after the updated release

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:58 PM

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hold up

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dont tell me its nightly

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😦

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 4:59 PM

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ive recently been trying to get rid of some unnecessary nightly features but theres still 2 in use right now yeah :(

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 4:59 PM

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specialization and what else?

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:00 PM

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new_uninit, only with fsr2

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maybe i can somehow have a nightly feature flag for that

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i want to get rid of specialization

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i think its possible but it would allow calling attach_value on a fence multiple times to replace the value inside

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(instead of only allowing it on Fence<()>)

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:05 PM

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i have no idea what you're talking about KEKW

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but i'll trust your words magic man

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:06 PM

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jesus

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ill figure it out

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phobos 0.9.0 hopefully no longer nightly only

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:10 PM

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i forgot how much boilerplate code vk required

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:11 PM

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yep

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its hopefully not as bad with phobos at least

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:19 PM

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AIGHT that took a while

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need the shaders now

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:20 PM

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that should be easy

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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livid geode AIGHT that took a while

nervous what happened

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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epic

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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shadow trench <:nervous:836935166437883934> what happened

needed to copy the example runner and include the crates and whatnot

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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ah hm

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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also apparently use order mattered i think

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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i dont recommend using the example runner for your actual program

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:25 PM

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ye ofc ill modify it to my needs

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just wanted to get something working first

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:25 PM

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ye makes sense

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mostly the init part is useful

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:30 PM

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that's weird, rust-analyzer is kinda broken rn

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i think it's because of the toolchain

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fuck it switching whole project to nightly then

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:31 PM

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ElmoFire

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ill try to make it not require nightly

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:32 PM

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shadow trench <a:ElmoFire:924630975147823124>

indeed

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:32 PM

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bleakekw

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:32 PM

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goddammit

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:32 PM

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wtf

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:33 PM

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system's falling apart hold on

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:33 PM

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good first user experience

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kekw

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:33 PM

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cool dolphin crashes cause theres no space on the drive lmao

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:33 PM

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phobos victim list

1 linux installation

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kekw

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:34 PM

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ok sorry pengu i'm leaving phobos for later

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:34 PM

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all good

livid geode Jun 4, 2023, 5:34 PM

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i'll have to finish the clean up program first

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 5:34 PM

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yeh

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i gotta use that when its ready

hot yarrow Jun 4, 2023, 6:20 PM

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rm -rf ~/.crates && sudo pacman -R rust rustup cargo

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😛

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 6:22 PM

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NanaStare

hot yarrow Jun 4, 2023, 6:26 PM

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aww

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i have not removed rust from my system yet

shadow trench Jun 4, 2023, 6:34 PM

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froge

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one day

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#1112444142291800115 is not dead yet

mild flower Jun 4, 2023, 7:38 PM

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it's in the afterlife

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:16 PM

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ahhh i cant pick between continuing my cpp raytracer or going to rust 💀

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im at like chapter 8 of the rust book rn and uh restarted my ray tracer (again)

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:17 PM

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you could restart it in rust wesmart

hot yarrow Jun 6, 2023, 8:17 PM

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go rust with your raytracer

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ah 🙂

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:19 PM

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lmaooo
. > does not know what a "lifetime" is
. > has only completed 8/24 chapters

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. > cargo install phobos

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its rustin' time 😎

nimble solar Jun 6, 2023, 8:20 PM

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As a professional C++ advocate I recommend C++
(I have stockholm syndrome)

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:21 PM

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all C++ devs got stockholm syndrome 🗣️

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we can't leave its grasps

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the illusion of choice:
C++
Rust but then you need to use C++ at your school/work

hot yarrow Jun 6, 2023, 8:26 PM

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as a professional c# fanboy, i suggest c#

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:29 PM

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hmhmhmhmh c# does unlock unity (i do not use unity, but ue5)

nimble solar Jun 6, 2023, 8:29 PM

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On a serious note, it's not like you have to "choose" a language and be loyal to it forever

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:30 PM

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yeah for sure. fairly certain ill still c++ cuz school, ue5, and one day (never) godot

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:31 PM

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potent quest lmaooo . > does not know what a "lifetime" is . > has only completed 8/24 chapte...

its fine you can learn stuff along the way

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btw i will try to remove the nightly requirement with the next release

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(but some stuff will break so you'll need to make some minor changes)

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:35 PM

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all good

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breakage is fine tbh cuz im still at the starting example project KEKW

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:36 PM

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yeah kek

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you'll probably want to look at the rt sample

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also, do phobos = { git = "https://github.com/NotAPenguin0/phobos-rs", rev = "8036bfe" } in your cargo.toml

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thats the latest commit, but it wont update automatically unless you change the commit tag

livid geode Jun 6, 2023, 8:40 PM

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also it requires nightly

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:40 PM

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(for now)

livid geode Jun 6, 2023, 8:41 PM

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hot yarrow as a professional c# fanboy, i suggest c#

i read femboy instead of fanboy bleakekw discord is killing my neurons

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:41 PM

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bleakekw

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:48 PM

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bleakekw the end is near

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so like

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what do i name the renderer

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:49 PM

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big questions indeed

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:49 PM

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hmhmhmhm

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Renderboy 😎 (pixar is gonna sue me)

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:50 PM

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frOK

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:51 PM

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Danny's
Awesome
Rendering
Engine

(DARE)

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 8:51 PM

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heh thats kinda cool

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 8:51 PM

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acronyms letsss gooo

nimble solar Jun 6, 2023, 9:08 PM

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Sounds like RAGE

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(Rockstar Advanced Game Engine)

hot yarrow Jun 6, 2023, 9:16 PM

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for unreal there is also unrealclr 🙂 ie c# rather than c++ when you dont want to do pluebrints

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 10:24 PM

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bro i cannot do blueprints for the love of my life

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its so god damn messy

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like let me type it bro

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"yeah this blueprint is really simple and easy to follow"

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sorry for off-topic

coarse yoke Jun 6, 2023, 10:27 PM

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node editors GigaChad

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 10:27 PM

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real

coarse yoke Jun 6, 2023, 10:28 PM

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spend a week in substance designer, your mind will melt and reform into a node wrangler

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 10:28 PM

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bleakekw

potent quest Jun 6, 2023, 10:48 PM

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wait does

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phobos include fsr2?

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or is that separate project (Andromeda)

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i really do not want to install fsr2 with all of phobos 💀

shadow trench Jun 6, 2023, 10:51 PM

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potent quest phobos include fsr2?

optionally

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you can enable a feature flag for it

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but not by default

mild flower Jun 6, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Pog

potent quest Jun 7, 2023, 1:48 AM

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OHHH i rmeember why i avoided rust

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the foundation

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Why does the lang have massive every year

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💀💀💀

livid geode Jun 7, 2023, 5:19 AM

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massive what

coarse yoke Jun 7, 2023, 6:01 AM

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literally every year...

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 8:44 AM

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Lol

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C++ has drama too, just behind closed doors usually

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 10:42 AM

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just submitted the final version of my bachelor thesis paper

livid geode Jun 7, 2023, 11:01 AM

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YOOO congrats

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will we get a copy when you defend it 🥺

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:07 AM

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theres no defense as far as i know for this, thats only for a masters or phd i think

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you can get a copy but its in dutch :(

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doxxed my own name but thats alright

📎 Bambi.pdf

mild flower Jun 7, 2023, 11:09 AM

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Interesting thesis

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Surprisingly readable if I pretend it's drunk English

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:09 AM

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bleakekw

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i would have preferred to write it in english tbh

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 11:10 AM

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im surprised its in pommeslang not engrish

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:10 AM

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i hate writing technical stuff in dutch

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 11:10 AM

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limitation by the school?

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:10 AM

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yeah

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something something do education in your mother tongue something

mild flower Jun 7, 2023, 11:12 AM

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All I read was
--- do --- your mother

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:13 AM

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SCohno

mild flower Jun 7, 2023, 11:13 AM

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Freud's thesis

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 11:13 AM

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there are some funny dutch words which would be weird if you read them as german as well

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verkocht.... verhuuren

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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some words are pretty similar yeah

livid geode Jun 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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shadow trench doxxed my own name but thats alright

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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wesmart

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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overboiled and selling your body (if you go 1:1 from .nl -> .de -> .us)

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but it actually means... sold and rented out iirc

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 11:15 AM

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yep

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 11:15 AM

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and the ggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

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https://tenor.com/view/goldmember-austin-power-smoke-pancake-gif-7399683

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shrewd lynx Jun 7, 2023, 1:42 PM

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shadow trench theres no defense as far as i know for this, thats only for a masters or phd i t...

My bachelor's has 2 defenses

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And it's a huge project I don't understand why

young oar Jun 7, 2023, 2:29 PM

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shadow trench just submitted the final version of my bachelor thesis paper <:ez:75409006500472...

Ooh nice!!

coarse yoke Jun 7, 2023, 6:03 PM

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oh god yall do thesis's for your bachelors

nimble solar Jun 7, 2023, 6:06 PM

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I'll just do what I do best: Write utterly unhinged rants on stuff I don't even care about

young oar Jun 7, 2023, 6:08 PM

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I'm still in hs 🥲

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I have utterly no idea how you can manage making a thesis out of pure thin air

mild flower Jun 7, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Pick something to study
Study it
Write a paper with findings

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 6:11 PM

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or

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finish school

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find a job

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make some money

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do gp as a hobby

young oar Jun 7, 2023, 6:15 PM

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The dream

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 6:18 PM

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coarse yoke oh god yall do thesis's for your bachelors

its pretty short luckily

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 6:48 PM

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young oar I have utterly no idea how you can manage making a thesis out of pure thin air

it doesnt come out of thin air though

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its the result of months of work on some topic/project

young oar Jun 7, 2023, 6:55 PM

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Yea I meant where the idea comes from*

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Like do unis just let you pick anything and study / research it

hot yarrow Jun 7, 2023, 6:56 PM

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the latter part is a little weird

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i wish for students who actually want to research new shit to go for it

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thats what university is all about

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but so many people just graduate with something which has been invented 1000x already

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yet another deferred renderer showing off sponza... with CSM and idk... som PBRIBLism

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as part of their thesis/master papers

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i find that super sad

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(im also generally speaking)

young oar Jun 7, 2023, 7:05 PM

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Oh shit nothing stops you from doing stuff that had been done before?

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I thought universities would be strict about showing off a "new" thing

shadow trench Jun 7, 2023, 7:09 PM

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especially in your bachelor's youre not expected to do something new at all

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for your master's they do encourage you to, and for your phd of course you need actual research

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