What phone to buy for osu!droid?

[fluid stone]

no uuh

i paid like 450 for it

[sick knot]

how in the name of christ it is "cheap"

[fluid stone]

cheapest without any issues?😭😭

idk maybe there's better phones

cheaper*

[sick knot]

ok, the thing is that the phone use the snapdragon 888

which is notorious for being very inefficient compared to its predecessor the snapdragon 865

so the thing run like a firebrick

otherwise its spec is pretty "run off the mill" for a 2-year-old near-flagship device

[lethal pivot]

lucky i picked s20 instead of s21 lmao

[sick knot]

for that price you can already get these

• poco x6 pro and f5 pro but too new so its inconclusive about its longevity

hell at this point the garbo tensor-based pixel would make more sense for the software update

feel free to go one round on gsmarena

considering oppo's demographic (non-gamer) these review are not even kind to the phone

if you want to go to the extreme, the chinese redmi k70 pro cost 10 dollars more having a freaking snapdragon 8 gen 3, 4 generations newer than the 888

though its not recommended due to it being a chinese-only phone so one need to jump through some hoops to get it to work right

but like... this is the value proposition we are dealing with in the 400-500 sect

your random oppo bought from a brick and mortar store wont fly

@fluid stone so yea, please do more research

you could simply say "i play droid on this phone and i find it to be good" and i will have nothing to say, but since you went out of your way saying it is the best and cheapest(?). sorry bud

[fluid stone]

sorry, i will be more careful next time

that message looked like it was sponsored

[sick knot]

its ok, you live and you learn

[prime quartz]

Even Infinix note 30 too?

Damnn

[worn sinew]

infinix is shit

[prime quartz]

Bruhh

Infinix moment

At my Infinix zero 5g was a good phone

Untill android 12 ruins it all

Tbf

[fair delta]

Hmm is andoird 12 phone actually bad?

[faint sequoia]

No

Android version is not an immediate phone quality check

[sick knot]

it's not really about the android version, but how the phone maker (oem) deliver those update thats the problem

honestly in my experience, the original android version come with the phone should be the most stable

with subsequent updates having an increasing chance of messing something up with your phone

depends on how lazy these oems do things

[fair delta]

So that what make the software or andoird version to be laggy and buggy right?

[sick knot]

with most of the budget tier brand being "very fucking lazy"

[sick knot]

there are more factors, the android ecosystem is very complex afterall

[sick knot]

i just explain why he whine about this android version on this specific phone

i have listed the device in the blacklist pinned in this thread as well

i do have a lot of gripe with how lockdown newer android is becoming (fuck scoped storage) but as rian said, the version alone does not dedicate the quality of any device whatsoever

[fair delta]

Thank you for explaination

[sick knot]

np

performant android devices selection is like stepping on landmine

i dont mind telling others about it

[lethal pivot]

Am I wrong for seeing like, the Manufacturer just lazy out on their software when there's an update

[sick knot]

its more like they need to do the update out of obligation

to stick to the marketing stitck of "2 years of android update, 4 years of security update"

as consumer has practically been conditioned to believe that you NEED the absolutely latest software for their device to be at "their best"

while the core android update in reality no longer bring much to the table

dont believe me? here is the wikipedia section listing change between major version of android

this is android 9

and this is android 12, 13 and 14 on the same screen estate

[faint sequoia]

The later versions' changes are more oriented to developers than users

[sick knot]

which is practically curb stomp by oem pissing all over the core android with their garbage derivative

the whole battery management shenanigans has gone utterly crazy since android 10

with developer scratching their head just to keep their app running in the background

for any extended period of time

its a mess

but we live in a society

😔

[sick knot]

but yea, with how much newer android version oriented toward developers mean more breaking change under all the oem-flavored system app that they have to patch to work properly

[faint sequoia]

Hey at least Android 15 supports partial screen recording

🚶

[sick knot]

so obviously they just go "screw it"

make it run, go to sleep

thats how the situation is going right now (in my lens)

[faint sequoia]

Yea you see Android 14 changes in that page having just one bullet

But the dev changes are a lot

Like, a lot a lot

On another note, if you are a fan of background videos or just like to play with background videos in general, Mali GPUs are buggy with them. They are not notorious, but if you have ADHD you may notice it (ref: https://github.com/osudroid/osu-droid/issues/318)

[sick knot]

insert obligatory "LOL MALI GPU"

its simply a pain to work with if you stray anywhere away from the paved road

said every emulator dev

speaking of which, rog phone 7 received android 14 a week ago

and as expected, their forum is already in crisis mode

even though their flavor of android is much closer to stock than others

[faint sequoia]

Can't do that because there are people using it, the fact that there is an issue (and the investigation was only possible because sora has a mali phone) speak for itself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick knot]

i mean at least that problem is rather mundane

will keep that til the next one

[prime quartz]

@sick knot Poco x4 gt worth the buy in ur opinion

[sick knot]

for how much

[prime quartz]

Uh

188usd

[sick knot]

could be a bit cheaper

but fair price

if you can stand miui

do note that the dimensity 8100 inside the thing trade peak power performance for efficiency

its efficiency is actually on par with snap 7 gen 2 and snap 8 gen 2

even though its peak performance is below snap 8 gen 1+ (which is the target in the used 200 usd section)

they dont seem to suffer from the same mainboard frying itself like the poco x3 either

due to lower powered soc

[iron lagoon]

I'm here to give a perspective about Xiaomi 11T

• At first glance, This phone seems to be a good phone with no issues towards rhythm games (o!d) however, lately after Xiaomi has released the new HyperOS it has turned out to be one of the worst OS updates. Turns out the problem after updating the OS is Multi-touch issue / Ghost touch

But when I attemp to play with drag style everything is fine

I'm not sure if other HyperOS phones would have the same problem or not

[worn sinew]

conclusion: dont buy xiaomi phones

[onyx patio]

Have you try game booster?? (Me using redmi note 12, yea hyperOS too)
I also got that wacky stuck cursor

[jolly vapor]

boom

[prime quartz]

What's best 144hz phone ATM?

@sick knot

[worn sinew]

Samsung Galaxy S23+ is recommended, gameplay is smooth.

[lethal pivot]

Flagship or exflagship

[sick knot]

probably rog 5 used

if you can find it for like 200 bucks that is

888 is shit

but, it is exactly the reason why you can buy it for cheap, otherwise its actually pretty okay

[lethal pivot]

Legion duel

[sick knot]

realme gt neo 5 is now around 260-280 range

sd8gen1+ and 144 hz

but dubious touch response

probably due to high sampling rate

[worn sinew]

the phone will break in half with a single touch bro

dont buy that shit

its so fragile

[prime quartz]

Maybe both

If there's a cheaper one

I mean

I did find

Redmi note 11t pro

Which is 144hz

[sick knot]

its also 888

and it is xiaomi

with shitui now reskinned into turdos

so i wouldnt put much faith into them

oh wait

wrong phone

redmi 11t pro

not xiaomi 11t pro

caution on dimensity

but yea considering 888 is turd, its probably not half bad if going for 220-250 range

oh i found it for 170 here

actually good

6/128 though

200 for 8/256 seems like a better choice

[worn sinew]

LMAO

ShitUI ❌ ❌ ❌
TurdOS ✅ ✅ 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[prime quartz]

@sick knot

A phone that has 120hz

Is useless

Realme 11x 5G

I only get 60fps

More proof

[lethal pivot]

You need to use setedit

The adaptive refresh rate is cucked

[prime quartz]

How to do that

@lethal pivot

[faint sequoia]

Do you not have per-app refresh rate setting?

Funtouch OS has that

I don't know if realme UI does

[prime quartz]

I think it doesn't have it

[prime quartz]

In my opinion

[prime quartz]

I already did that just now

And it's cucked

[vast ridge]

Is hyperos that bad, I know miui is already buggy but damn

[sick knot]

well.

[vast ridge]

Do they force you to update to hyperos?

[sick knot]

now technically hyperos have more change under the hood

but it is exactly why 3rd party application will have even a harder time dealing with its bullshit

with virtually 0 documentation on what they did on their "custom" linux kernel

i cant believe when i say this

but if you dont have too much worry about security

DO NOT UPDATE YOUR PHONE OS (if you buy any chinese brand phone)

[vast ridge]

I assume those problems will be fixed along the way but looking back when they were using miui I don't think they are gonna fix some bugs. Especially for a small community like us osu!droid players.

[vast ridge]

My phone is already abandoned, and I am not gonna get any os or android updates anytime soon

it's on miui 14 and android 12

the phone model (specifically k30 ultra) needed to update to miui 14 using a computer because if I just updated it to miui 14 normally the phone would just not work

It would just simply stop working, some people experienced boot looping, touch screen dead, the green line on screen or the phone just straight up dying

[sick knot]

[vast ridge]

this thread has been going for quite a few months now lol

Redmi phones are designed in a way that you have to upgrade to a new phone every 2-3 year (if you:re lucky ). if you choose to buy a phone with less than 4gb of ram, dog water processor then you are screwed. my old phone (Redmi note 10T ) had a 90hz display but the processor COULDN'T handle it that it lags when I use 90hz.

[sick knot]

because the question can never be answer

new phone out, old phone become crap

it happens

tbf my question is a bit pretentious because i already bought an ROG phone 7

[vast ridge]

Nice

[prime quartz]

Gg

Rog is Chad brand

[sick knot]

haha sure

asuck with their non-existing RMA and update

well, i prefer them to not update rather than half-assing update and have me find out the hard way

and beneath the gaymer skin is a pretty stocked android

[prime quartz]

[sick knot]

[pliant dagger]

i have something to say

do NOT buy samsung s21 for o!droid, especially if your playstyle is drag

the phone itself is good but

something is wrong with touch

[faint sequoia]

if you have exynos, mayhaps

[pliant dagger]

yep exynos issues

[pliant dagger]

also 240hz touch sampling rate only in games (with game booster on)

[worn sinew]

its there to save battery

[pliant dagger]

i know

i was playing all this time with 120hz touch sampling rate

[worn sinew]

[untold heath]

[pliant dagger]

yeah and i set my first 800 with this shit

[prime quartz]

@gusty shadow is your phone a good one?

In your opinion

[gusty shadow]

been perfect

very rarely do i ever get fps drops and ive basically never had touch issues

but there are probably better value devices on the market now

[worn sinew]

what phone are u using anyway

[gusty shadow]

xiaomi mi 10t

never updated the OS

[sick knot]

just dont

[gusty shadow]

im surprised a chinese spy plane hasnt bombed my house yet

[worn sinew]

lol

[prime quartz]

I wanna get the mi 10t 5g

[lethal pivot]

get proper flagship when

oh nvm

865

get that ig

try

[prime quartz]

No audio jack

@lethal pivot

And no sdcard slot

[lethal pivot]

most flagship dosent have that

just buy dongle

[gusty shadow]

yeah those kinda suck

[prime quartz]

Ye

I like my iem earphone

Instead of using wireless

[gusty shadow]

dac dongle is prob ur best bet then

[brittle galleon]

hey
so i'm thinking about switching to a 12gb poco f5 (~380US$ for brand new w/ 1 year warranty, here)

are there better (snapdragon powered) alternatives in the 350 - 450 US$ range? i couldn't find like, a good one besides the poco x6 pro, but... mediatek

thx in advance

[jolly vapor]

f5 sounds good

[faint sequoia]

if it doesn't come with HyperOS out of the box

[worn sinew]

^^^ this

the f5 price:performance is crazy

but the OS is the only problem

[brittle galleon]

yeah forgot to mention that

[worn sinew]

thats holding me back on recommending it

[brittle galleon]

once i check that the phone works fine and all

i'll slap a custom rom on it no doubt

[faint sequoia]

might as well (semi)blacklist HyperOS devices

I haven't heard a single case of HyperOS working well with droid in terms of input

[brittle galleon]

store says it comes with miui lesgoo

anyways i'll wait until f6 launch

maybe the price will be lower then

[lethal pivot]

most sane chinese rom ever

[prime quartz]

Sanest chinese rom user

[leaden hill]

I currently have a Poco f5 running hyper OS

I can test it if it's really necessary

[haughty vine]

Late news

My BS4 officially ded

And already bought new phone

Feels very good for droid

[worn sinew]

how did it die

[prime quartz]

How did your bs4 ded?

[prime quartz]

And what's le new phone

[haughty vine]

Battery died

It can drop like

32->17->1

[haughty vine]

Asus Zenfone 11 Ultra

(Pretty expensive...)

[prime quartz]

Yooo

Snap 8 gen 3

No wonder it's expensive

144hz as well

[haughty vine]

Genshin runs at high res 60fps too

Unfortunately I don't use my phone for games

[prime quartz]

even i don't play genshin

[haughty vine]

haha ik it's more like a performance test

[sick knot]

non-gaming rog 8

:omegalul:

[worn sinew]

damn how long have u been using it

like 2-3 years now?

if i remember

my bs4 battery started being stupid after 6 months of use i think

once the battery got down to 20% it dies in a minute lmao

[leaden hill]

Tabby's bs4's battery dying is completely normal

It's just normal battery degradation

By all means she got quite lucky with her unit

[prime quartz]

That's her case

so glad it's a good thing ig

I was concern about my mi10t pro's battery rn

drains quickly

[worn sinew]

yea

its already worth its value after 3 years of usage

stupid brand why am i so unlucky

[leaden hill]

I have the same phone and the battery is dying

It lasts only like, 4 to 5 hours

[jolly vapor]

thats not bad

💀

for a ximi

my f3 lasts about 2-2.5h

[faint sequoia]

that is bad

assuming same usage routine, of course

[jolly vapor]

yeah

ximis degrade extremely fast

my redmi note 8 pro suffered charging port death

[worn sinew]

my samsung is doing pretty well

after 4 months of use

10+ hrs of sot everyday

[pliant dagger]

bruh i use 5g and it drains so much battery

[worn sinew]

what model

[pliant dagger]

also my phone is overheating when it comes to play games with enabled 5g

[worn sinew]

mine doesnt drain battery

[pliant dagger]

s21

[worn sinew]

lol

then its expected

[pliant dagger]

ik its not new

[worn sinew]

s21 has snapdragon 888

[pliant dagger]

ehehehhe....

in my case its exynos cuz its eu version

[worn sinew]

u have exynos ver

ah

same thing lool

[pliant dagger]

yep

nah snap is better

[worn sinew]

portable hot pocket

no

[pliant dagger]

in terms of battery

[worn sinew]

performance different

[pliant dagger]

yes

[worn sinew]

but temperatures

same thing

both hot as shit

[pliant dagger]

but i dont play games like genshin impact

[worn sinew]

i use s23+

sd 8gen2

[pliant dagger]

maximum is pubg movile

[worn sinew]

no overheat

🤤

giga battery

[pliant dagger]

cool

i wanna sell mine

[worn sinew]

can last the whole day no problem

[pliant dagger]

and then buy s24 when it will be in store

[pliant dagger]

hoo lee sheet

i like the size of my s21

its not that big

thats comfortable for me

and also its not that heavy

[lethal pivot]

Dont buy s20 fe guys

/j-

[pliant dagger]

what the h-

hoo lee sheet

how tf is this even possible

[zinc lynx]

what the fuck

how

[untold heath]

wtf

[vast ridge]

48°C is already too much what the hell dawg

[manic robin]

whats a good low price phone for osu droid?

[faint sequoia]

oh also state your country and budget

since prices and availability will differ based on where you are

[manic robin]

United States and like 200

[sick knot]

@manic robin do you have any notable carrier contract option or trade in program?

we usually recommend user from asia/eu

us market is a bit unfamiliar

in any case, i think you can check the price of a galaxy s20

quite old, but it does the job

[manic robin]

ok thank you

[manic robin]

i dont

[sick knot]

the US version guaranteed the snapdragon 865 which is plenty powerful

[manic robin]

isnt dat like expensive

[sick knot]

and even in asia they are available used for 200 bucks

[manic robin]

oh

[sick knot]

s20

the current generation is s24

so yea

[manic robin]

ok

im only gonna use it for osu anyway

[sick knot]

also android phone value depreciate really fast

unlike iphone

where an iphone 11 is still quite pricey

[faint sequoia]

nero, for context he already has an iphone as his daily driver

[sick knot]

you can check pinned

[faint sequoia]

so he is just looking for an android phone to play the game

[sick knot]

there is article on how fast android phone lose their monetary value

[manic robin]

yeah i had a s8 sinceold osu droid den it broke

[sick knot]

the s20 have an 120Hz screen

which is pretty good for playing droid

[faint sequoia]

this is one of the rare case of "buying a phone just to game"

[manic robin]

lol

[sick knot]

200 bucks though

[manic robin]

is the s20 like the s8 where sometimes my cursor glitch out

[sick knot]

if he have 300 i might suggest him buy an used steam deck

[sick knot]

no it doesnt

[manic robin]

thank god

[sick knot]

the s8 problem is very well-known here

since lots of korean players suffer from it

[manic robin]

didnt that one dude have a s8

he was number 1 i think

[sick knot]

yea neetloli/nelitoru/amaya kokoro (i think)

he is absolute pissed about it

[manic robin]

oh ok just making sure it wasnt just my phone thanks guys

[sick knot]

yea, normally just be aware of phone in the black list section

(also pinned)

[manic robin]

ok

how do i find a pinned again its been a min

[sick knot]

oh yea its very hard to find if you are on mobile

tap the thread title up top

press setting > pinned message

[faint sequoia]

if you're on mobile and iOS you must go to #1006369245577347082 and do the above

[sick knot]

welp i dont have ios

[faint sequoia]

I do

[sick knot]

but tapping thread title works for me

[faint sequoia]

oh setting

yea yea

[sick knot]

actually how does that make sense isnt both running on roughly the same codebase?

moment

[faint sequoia]

I can't really verify if that works because of admin perm

so I believe you

[sick knot]

but im OP

ah shit

time to bust out the alt 🏃

[spice sentinel]

ok i can

nice

[manic robin]

😭

[faint sequoia]

follow this

[manic robin]

ok

[lethal pivot]

another s20 sold??

[sick knot]

@lethal pivot tbf the us is easy mode

[lethal pivot]

true

[sick knot]

you have samsung, apple, motorola, pixel

and thats pretty much is for phone that operate in us network without any problem

[worn osprey]

How about a Galaxy S10?

These should have dropped their prices but it also depends on country

I am not sure about the refresh rate but I doubt it has that touch issue

Nvm its 60

[sleek forge]

does vivo v30e work?

I'm given no choice as of the moment by my parents since that's the only phone that seems okay with them (we can't get second hand phones cos of money issues) so they're taking out a product loan or something so we'll just have to pay monthly

also I've already asked them for Redmi Note 13 Pro 5G (17k) since it's just 1k less than Vivo V30e (18k)

and it has a better processor (redmi)

if I do get that though, I plan to use it as my main phone and also for rhythm games since it probably can't run hsr and other games as good as my Huawei currently

[sick knot]

i really hope your installment plan (product loan as you said) offer 0% interest

because otherwise you are wasting money on your already strained budget

[sick knot]

17k of what currency?

[sleek forge]

Philippine peso

[sleek forge]

it is at 0% interest but idk why they're taking so much time rn

[sleek forge]

nvm they didn't get me the phone

[sick knot]

[sick knot]

btw can you check lg v60 price there?

there might be new old stock

[sleek forge]

I checked online and it's about 10.8k for 8/128

in shopee, but if I manage to find one at the local store in the next city, I'll also go check since me and mum will be going later after lunch

[sick knot]

oh wait i realized that you are asking in this thread

please forget about it, its 60Hz

[prime quartz]

no way

Nero gave false info

goes wrong

[brittle galleon]

bought this last week
osu!droid runs really good, 120fps 480hz TSR, no touch issues or stutters, best experience I've ever had with this game so far (keep in mind that my previous device was a Redmi Note 9 Pro)
hyper os has been strangely good, no shenanigans so far
12/512 variant, global stock ROM (HyperOS 1.0.4.0.UNPMIXM)

here, a touch test

[sick knot]

welp, its poco alright

just dont update your os

[prime quartz]

android14

so can't go any further

[calm torrent]

480hz????

touch rate or screen??

[calm torrent]

will the phone tell u to update after you turn it on?

[brittle galleon]

touch rate is 480hz

screen is 120hz

[brittle galleon]

you can switch to 60hz

switching to 90hz isn't possible without root

[calm torrent]

is there a delay in input time?

[brittle galleon]

almost none

matter of fact, it's so snappy that I have to relearn how to aim in streams cuz previous device was laggy

[calm torrent]

im a drag player and that is scary

[prime quartz]

@sick knot yo we got something

this phone techo spark

[faint sequoia]

what about it

[calm torrent]

are there even any poco phones that are good for osudroid but doesnt automatically update the os if u turn it on

[worn sinew]

stop buying poco phones

[zinc lynx]

simply turn off automatically download updates

[worn osprey]

Get a custom firmware

[faint sequoia]

Never give such workaround again thanks

[toxic heron]

oh lol i have poco f6 pro one haha

[worn osprey]

Why?

I thought it would solve these types of issues...?

Oh, maybe it could brick their device

I see now

[lethal pivot]

something something

if you buy your phone and need to replace the os its already a redflag

something something

[calm torrent]

soo

aside from the phone imagineblaze unboxed in his livestream years ago

what phone is best for o!d?

[worn osprey]

If its like MIUI 14 on Poco phones?

People do enjoy the game in this case but not properly

I wouldn't do that in this case but if someone was addicted to osu!droid THAT MUCH they would

[lethal pivot]

then avoid it or wait till the os become usable again

unless you cound downgrading counts as flashing custom os

[worn osprey]

Had no idea you could downgrade a Xiaomi

Or any other phone

I only know for Samsung

[prime quartz]

It's the firmware version that u can downgrade

If your bootloader has been unlocked

[worn osprey]

Oh okk

[pliant dagger]

smarthertz

guys just get the samsung s21 phone

its like the optimal one

still good in games and costs not that much

[radiant stump]

Vivo v29 lite 5G It is also a good option, 120 hertz works in the game

[worn osprey]

is it 120fps?

[lethal pivot]

ye

[worn osprey]

holy shit

its so expensive tho 😦

[boreal junco]

some good phone below of 200€ with 120hz

?

[boreal junco]

i come from poco x3 pro and I am dissatisfied bc it dies randomly, all people of here knows what about i talking

i just wanna change to better launcher or android

[sick knot]

galaxy s20 (or s20 5g) snapdragon version

[sick knot]

check price
+400 bucks

no this is some terrible value

[boreal junco]

+400 the samsung?

[sick knot]

nah see the message i response to

[boreal junco]

yea

[sick knot]

it comes with an sd695

and err

considering what i have just recommended is equipped with an sd865 for 200 euro

[boreal junco]

a friend has the s20+ 5g and feels pretty nice

[sick knot]

which dwarf the sd695 as image

[boreal junco]

hmmmm

idk right now lmao

wait

yes, for 200e 2nd hand its good option

[sick knot]

just make sure its the snapdragon (for us market) version

global use exynos 990

which is workable but not that good

[boreal junco]

one question, i have alternatives?

[sick knot]

and i doubt reseller know the difference to price gouge that specific model

[sick knot]

probably sony xperia 1 mark II

or old oneplus flagship

or the pixel 4 (pixel 4xl)

[boreal junco]

wtf, it cost 380euro 2nd hand

the xperia

[sick knot]

which one?

oh

hmm

what about the 5 mark II

[boreal junco]

remember i just have 200€ xd

let me check

[sick knot]

though there are reports of the 5 mark II screen having green stroke when it is overheating

[boreal junco]

well

i dont like the xiaomi software but probably i buy a redmi note 13 4g

[sick knot]

i mean, you can buy xiaomi

and it aint bad on paper

[boreal junco]

XD

okey

[sick knot]

wait

wait

[boreal junco]

whats happend

[sick knot]

you said note 13 4g

not note 13

[boreal junco]

note 13 4g

its the same

i think

[sick knot]

k yea nvm

sd685 though

thats some pretty bad value

brand new right?

[boreal junco]

yes

[sick knot]

please buy used

reason explained in pinned message

or im pretty sure new old stock can be have by relatively cheap as well

at this price point aiming for an 865 is very possible

[boreal junco]

where?

[sick knot]

this message

[boreal junco]

old high end?

[sick knot]

discord is just garbage at showing pinned message in thread

@boreal junco yep

[boreal junco]

okey

the payment thing it to comlex too explain it

[sick knot]

its more like explanation on why you would prefer these method

depend on your location you can approach smaller phone reselling store as well

they still do have the overhead of a physical store, but much less because of their small size and will present you with those old flagships that the bigger one will definitely not restock

[boreal junco]

wait

i find a good option

samsung s10+

maybe?

has a snapdragon 855

[sick knot]

a bit too old and not really efficient

but yea still servicable

[boreal junco]

hmmmm

and s20+?

[sick knot]

raw power wise you are looking at double the 695 but almost tripple the power consumption

[sick knot]

its somehow cheaper than the normal s20?

[boreal junco]

yea

214€

[sick knot]

moment

[boreal junco]

and s20 normal 235€

wtf

[sick knot]

welcome to 2nd hand market

when nothing make sense

[boreal junco]

still better the s20+

[sick knot]

just make sure its an sd865

and have a "no question asked" return policy

then you are golden

actually if you buy hand to fist there is no return

so just make sure you see minimal sign of wear and tear and wipe it clean after buying

it should be pretty good

[boreal junco]

okey

for the last

am checking what is better

s20 fe or s20+

[sick knot]

sure ask away

s20+

s20 fe is the cheapo version of s20

sure it was released "later" but plasticy body and most definitely worse software update support is not really scream confidence here

[boreal junco]

oh okay

Tomorrow it will be time to convince my parents why a second hand

[sick knot]

though they do re-release the fe as late as 2022, so maybeee???

i would say dont bother tbh

[boreal junco]

but

its for the s20+

its one of my options

probably the redmi note 13 4g 1st hand cost more or less THE SAME than the s20+

[sick knot]

well for the redmi note 13 4g you are looking at pretty subpar hardware with a really bad software (shitui)

there is a reason why i anti-xiaomi after only using their stuff once

[boreal junco]

I am dissatisfied with the crap of the poco x3 pro

if i find the photo i show you in what state is my poco

[sick knot]

though if xiaomi then maybe a new old stock (not second-hand) f3 will also fit the bill

[boreal junco]

its, just a gray screen with a blue line in the middle of the screen

[sick knot]

since the x3 pro is kinda like a freaky exception

[boreal junco]

hahahaha

[sick knot]

they cram the soc that is too power hungry to a board with lack of quality control

which overheat and permanently damage the board

[boreal junco]

i see

I thought it was the software

but not

[sick knot]

its also software too though

miui 12.5.8 introduce change that make touchscreen just sometimes unresponsive

which has been reported over and over

[boreal junco]

Well, that's it, I don't want to bother you anymore, I'll look at the Samsung to see how it is.

[sick knot]

cool

hope you enjoy your new (or old) wonderslab

[boreal junco]

thx

[sick knot]

unironically the report died down in later year cuz all the poco x3 pro suffer hardware failure later on anyway

[boreal junco]

xd

[boreal junco]

That should be considered a scam, but oh well. what is dead is dead.

[sick knot]

🤷‍♂️

[lethal pivot]

just wanna add note

xperia 5 mk II and mk iii apparently can easily get green line

had a friend just bought xperia 5 iii recently not even 2 days later green line appears out of nowhere

[lethal pivot]

s20+ is better but make sure you get the snapdragon version

if you wanna safest route just go with s20 fe 5g since its the only model that have snapdragon version

[sleek forge]

is this redmi? I just got the 5g version btw

note 13 pro 5g

sadly, it's just loaned out but it's still good

[radiant stump]

The cell phone is very cheap

[lethal pivot]

not worth the 400 bucks tho

the money

and just checked on my side

[sick knot]

are you on some kind of carrier plan?

because 400 bucks for that is pretty badly overpriced

[radiant stump]

Aah it's true that you are from another country, sorry

That mobile phone in Spain costs 300 euros

I'm really sorry

[sick knot]

still pretty miffed price

[radiant stump]

Sorry

[sick knot]

i guess for that price going to 144Hz is pretty hard (and not worth the headache of buying imported phone)

[radiant stump]

The one I said is 120

[sick knot]

but you can very likely do better than a snapdragon 695

which is old

and underpowered

[radiant stump]

I understand

[lethal pivot]

its like rm1,4 to 1,5k here

[sick knot]

i guess its fine for what it is

[lethal pivot]

with that price id better buy used s21

[sick knot]

isnt s21 on 888?

[lethal pivot]

wolfram 1500 myr to usd

[broken helm]

Wolfram Alpha

Click here for full result

Request for starstsu

[lethal pivot]

better than 695

[sick knot]

so does 865

[lethal pivot]

[lethal pivot]

eh

future proofing

[radiant stump]

Yuzu emulator entering the chat

Sorry for my bad English

[sick knot]

yuzu for 865 is quite a challenge

preferably you would want 8 gen 1+ and up

[radiant stump]

oh

[prime quartz]

I mean it still runs a pretty decent on dolphin emulator

on snap 865

[sick knot]

@prime quartz thats like 1.5 generation older yea

[prime quartz]

wait fr

[sick knot]

dolphin is emulator for gamecube and wii

after that you have the wii u

which is a proper generational leap

[prime quartz]

I don't play Wii games

[sick knot]

and then the switch which is just a half step due to being a hybrid

[prime quartz]

Yuzu

already tried it

[sick knot]

yuzu is for the switch

[prime quartz]

Ik

Sometimes it crashes

[sick knot]

also switch emulation is not fully matured

friendly reminder that the gamecube is already 20 years old

or 21

smth

so dolphin has a lot of time to optimize compared to yuzu (or ryujinx or strato)

and these have wayyyy more effort poured in compared to xbox or ps emu

due to nintendo allergic to pc platform

[prime quartz]

a

Okie

[sick knot]

anyway off topic

lets just stick with droid

or if you dont mind ask away in #technology

[boreal junco]

people

idk if this version has snapdragon

https://www.backmarket.es/es-es/p/samsung-galaxy-s20-128-gb-negro-libre/4c195ffb-4692-4b72-a68f-910029b93adf#l=12

it is not 2nd hand

is reconditioned

[worn sinew]

no

[worn sinew]

u gotta ask them

or dont buy if there are no detailed specifications

[boreal junco]

They don't have support chat

[boreal junco]

real

[worn sinew]

[boreal junco]

Also, my family does not agree F

ok ok

If I am understanding correctly, depending on the CPU, it will be an indicated mobile phone or not.

so

snapdragon 695 its better than snapdragon 685

[brittle galleon]

exynos

the model is SM-G985F/DS

[boreal junco]

thx

grande floemia

[boreal junco]

OnePlus Nord CE 3 Lite 5G?

[boreal junco]

hmmmm

idk

[faint sequoia]

What

[sick knot]

if its brand new its fine i guess

oneplus while mediocre nowaday is less offensive than majority of chinese oem

and other than the mediocre chip and UFS 2.2 storage its spec is nothing too bad

[boreal junco]

snapdragon 695 its better than snapdragon 685,right?

[boreal junco]

okey

😄

[calm torrent]

what about the software update tho

does it still have that?

as of now

[sick knot]

sincerely, software update is just android propaganda

most (especially chinese oem) phone got worse after update if anything

sure its not intentional like applegate (probably)

but firmware dev is hard

and chinese oem really like to customize their android flavor to absurd point not even thought possible

which make incorporating android update upstream significantly harder for them

in addition to overpromising software "update" period while definitely not having a resource to properly do so (especially for budget phone with razor thin profit margin)

you got yourself a perfect recipe for hastily, under tested update that bring more grieve to user than protect them from some elaborate vunerability that only target people with actual money in their bank account

but in case you want to know latest update for us version of s20 is in june this year

pretty respectable for a 4 years old geezer

while e-wast... i mean budget phone will get at most 1-ish years of shitty feature update and 2-3 year of "security" update

[calm torrent]

how do u check the touch refresh rate on a phone and tablet

im thinking of switching from phone to tablet

[sick knot]

there isnt any

touch sampling is mostly marketing bluff

[prime quartz]

fr?

[sick knot]

while touch latency remain high

due to android overhead

i guess you can hook your phone up to a pc to log all touch event if you really want to know

@faint sequoia tried to do that back when

but the delta time is all over the place

[faint sequoia]

this "overhead" is the fact that android may group touches together when it reports a touch event to the receiver

while you can access those grouped touch events individually, this is overlooked in droid, so touch sampling is a bluff specifically for the game

[calm torrent]

how

[faint sequoia]

this behavior has its own section in android docs: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent#batching

I imagine that in the case of high touch sampling rate, the grouping happens more often

[sick knot]

@calm torrent get android studio, make a dummy app with a handler onMotionEvent for android build it on your phone, log the MotionEvent object to console

[calm torrent]

what the

[sick knot]

nobody bother

because again

its mostly bluff

[faint sequoia]

mhm

the point is you can make a high touch sampling rate screen, but android will "discard" most inputs that you do for "efficiency"

[sick knot]

ok finally i got something

so here is the table of end to end touch latency for mobile devices

use a high speed camera to measure

its a bit old

but it will do the trick

as you can see latency is somewhere in the ballpark of 70-100ms

say if you have a generic phone with 120Hz touch sampling rate, the worst case scenario is that your touch will be 8-9ms more delayed

compared to top of the line gayming phone with 720Hz sample rate

you touch response will be at worst 1-2ms more delayed

you see how insignificant those number is to the general latency?

https://danluu.com/input-lag/

source for the autism

[faint sequoia]

the way I see this is touch sampling rate will only cut a certain process within the input processing pipeline that isn't the major bottlenecking process to begin with

[sick knot]

yep

[faint sequoia]

this 8-9ms is just, let's say, the time that android takes to go "hey you touched the screen"

the rest of the process is unaffected by it, and that may be where most of the latency comes from

[sick knot]

thats why on the same platform (android) having high touch sampling rate only provide marginally (or at worst just straight up placebo) benefit to the user

but marketing gonna marketing

as long as they cant get sue (cuz it "technically" not false advertising) you damn sure they will do it

this section sum it up nicely

[faint sequoia]

oh I didn't open the site and now I know how nerdy this is to other people

[sick knot]

.

there is a reason why i put this line

[faint sequoia]

I know that iOS has a different pipeline from android, but damn this really explains why I felt my ipad's response time feels so much better than my phone even though the former is at 60Hz and the latter is at 120Hz

[faint sequoia]

but either way, this has been established and should be advised to other folks lurking around here

[sick knot]

time to actually write that article on the osudroid-guide site

[faint sequoia]

because there are people who were bought into high touch sampling rate phones like BS4

[sick knot]

honestly i would be much more confident if there is some kind of a/b testing to disprove this once and for all

but yea the logic mostly checks out

[faint sequoia]

disprove the belief that high touch sampling rate on android devices do something?

the logic behind it isn't so easy to consume for the average user I'm afraid, but with some visualizations I think it can be made easier

[sick knot]

have you seen the audiophile community?

2 billion years later they still believe they can hear the difference with sampling rate above 44.1kHz

while due to shannon-nyquist theorem, to have the recreated signal not identical to the source the source need to have sound above 22kHz

which is beyond the fucking human hearing limit

[faint sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I think that's an entirely different thing, but in here we should at least warn people to not be bought into high touch sampling rate advertisement

because droid is something that sounds like it can benefit from that thing

so it is easy to be misled

[sick knot]

the thing is that marketing is gonna marketing, just like premium audiophile product

its very hard to be persuasive with just word and logic

cold hard number much better

[sick knot]

one of the more irksome point is that sure we know ios good latency and android bad latency, and having high hardware sampling rate is not gonna do jackshit to those gap

but why even in the android space that latency number is still all over the place

anywhere from 110-180

if it is turns out to be because of inadequate testing methodology then you can discard the whole chart and my logic

thats why im not 100% sure

[worn sinew]

this ^^^^

in bs4 gaming mode options

there is a button to "enable" 720hz touch sampling rate

but it made 0 difference

in input latency

literally a placebo

it does nothing

[faint sequoia]

There are so many variables for Android devices

Hardware quality, software modifications (Android flavors), and so on

The testing methodology may be unified across all devices without taking these variables into account, even though some of them may be controllable

After all, using a unified testing methodology ensures that the testing is fair across all devices, so it sounds more like a device latency test rather than Android latency test

Even in iOS, this is present

iPad Pro has significantly better latency than cheaper Apple devices

[sick knot]

i mean only the pencil response time is significantly lowered than the remaining ios device

everything else sit between 70-90ms

which is decently consistent

android? seem a bit too wild to me

maybe just me being paranoid

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint sequoia]

Yeah just like I said, many variables

I have more to say, but I think this is deviating a little bit from the thread, so I will stop

[calm torrent]

ayo

is the infinix gt 20 good

[sick knot]

spec wise kinda mid

and they dont have a good reputation here

for the price point you have poco x6 pro (which use the dimensity 8300u instead)

and probably a bunch of snapdragon 8 gen 1+ devices

and there is the oneplus ace 3v with a snapdragon 7 gen 3+

[calm torrent]

what about the os tho

does it tell u to update the os the first time u unbox it?

[sick knot]

infinix is not that much better than shitui

actually no, that wouldnt be comparable

shitui is more on the "over-engineer their garbage android flavor"

and infinix is more on the "lmao this guy actually use the phone outside of china"

[sick knot]

pretty sure every phone do so

[worn sinew]

infinix is a joke bro

[calm torrent]

but its not good for osudroid u said

when u update it

[sick knot]

i recommend to not update it

every phone will ask you to update though

so its an uphill battle

[sick knot]

also to cover my ass here, if its your daily driver, i would at least recommend to do security update

(though considering poco x3 pro goes to shit after 12.5.8 of all version, that wouldnt help)

[calm torrent]

does poco x6 use android 14

and can update to 15?

[hot jolt]

yes

[hot jolt]

and obviously yes

[calm torrent]

poco x6 has 2k+ touch refresh rate

@sick knot how small are the bezels in the phone?

[faint sequoia]

what phone

poco x6?

[calm torrent]

yes (and pro if same)

[lethal pivot]

psst

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_poco_x6-pictures-12723.php

[calm torrent]

theyre that thin

[lethal pivot]

standard bezel for the midranger

thin sides and top but big on the bottom

[calm torrent]

has anyone reviewed the phone on osudroid yet

[calm torrent]

ok so i figured it out

the x6 pro will have a 99% chance of having hyperos in store

and the best way to use the phone is by downgrading hyperos to miui

i just have to unlock bootloader, download a flash tool, download the right rom for the phone, put the phone in fastboot thing, connect it to a pc/laptop, use the flash tool with the custom rom for the phone, disconnect it and voila

[toxic heron]

why everyone is so afraid of hyperos

😭💀

[sick knot]

not afraid, players literally have problem rigth after upgrading to hyperos

and due to the lack of developer resource, its 99% guaranteed that it will not be fixed from the game side

[prime quartz]

In short

those phones are supported to hyperos

Is being cuck

iirc

[worn sinew]

because its shit for osu droid players

[calm torrent]

was my solution right tho

[sick knot]

overkill in my opinion

just be sure to play with the current version first before deciding what to do

and if it worth your time and (minor) security risk

[smoky sable]

Hi

I want to buy this for study. I wonder if this tablet can run osu droid 120 hz since the screen is already 120hz

i got deal for rm500

~$100

[worn osprey]

Are Huawei devices even supporting multitouch or nah?

I thought they did not but this one may do

[sick knot]

buddy stop living in 2012

[sick knot]

but anyway yea it works fine 120hz, the soc is plenty strong

100 bucks is too cheap for it so it may come with other problems

[worn osprey]

I literally thought a 2016 Huawei Device didnt

Well it did but there was someone who created a github issue about it

samsungs back then even so rarely supported multitouch

[sick knot]

ok the 2012 is an exaggeration

but seriously

that is a 2021 model

its literally in the name

[sick knot]

yes back then as in 2014

[faint sequoia]

I don’t know if it’s wise to play the game on a paper-like screen

Just a hunch, but make sure to find out first

I’ve used the device physically, so I know how it feels

[sick knot]

wait wut

[faint sequoia]

11 inch is also pretty big, so it wouldn’t be the best experience to be exact

[sick knot]

wdym paper like

[faint sequoia]

Yea, the screen feels like a paper

[sick knot]

you mean mat screen?

[faint sequoia]

That’s why it’s called matepad

Yea

[sick knot]

ehhh

yea i guess

tbh tablet size screen is generally better for rhythm game

not osu!droid though

[faint sequoia]

If the purpose is for studying, I wouldn’t risk

[faint sequoia]

Yea, lazer is miserable on my ipad

It’s also 11 inch

[sick knot]

even lazer?

[faint sequoia]

Yea

Too big for me

[sick knot]

lazer is miserable to play on anything but pc though

phone play suck too

[faint sequoia]

I meant the feel to physically aim at a way faster velocity than usual

It feels way more tiring

Maybe it’s just me

[sick knot]

🤷‍♂️

tbh i havent have experience playing on mat screen

it could range anywhere from non-issue to actually physically hurt to play

[worn osprey]

So you are suggesting that the mutli touch works?

[faint sequoia]

Of course dude

The system may place a finger restriction just like an S-pen though

I didn't test it

[worn osprey]

Oh that shucks

[crimson frost]

I've MIUI 13 and it's all ok

what's the crying about

[sick knot]

https://discord.com/channels/316545691545501706/1061747211525947482

i would like to demonstrate, but the phone mainboard also fried itself so ditto

[crimson frost]

How long have you been using the phone?

[sick knot]

2 years before it die 15 months ago

actually no, less than 2 years, 22 months

bug report is in january

so 17-18 months into its life

[crimson frost]

o

I bought this one with 2 yrs of usage lmao

Fortunately it was cheap

[crimson frost]

For now no issues

[limber fjord]

I cant play osu droid caused it says my phone dont support multi touch i try using multi touch test it works fine but on osu droid it won't any fix on this im using huawei y6p

[lethal pivot]

huawei

[sick knot]

this is probably due to the phone not provide necessary flags to enable multi touch support in-game, unfortunately resolving this require having said device at hand and development effort current dev team cannot afford rn, maybe you may have better chance flashing custom rom to the phone

but recommended action is to not use the device

[prime quartz]

in other words

Don’t just buy phones only for droid

Find that is beneficial to yourself and to everyone

[sick knot]

err thats not what i meant

[worn sinew]

[prime quartz]

mb

i dum dum

[sleek forge]

[limber fjord]

Ok thanks