Remove SPA Spawn Destruction

[frail sage]

I don't know if anyone is still reading this or if I should post in suggestions, but:

SPA's need to be adjusted to not destroy spawns. Commander arty was adjusted the same way after release and is in a good state. SPA's are a strong alternative to static arty (and personally, I would rather SPA be the only arty, rather than static arty), but the potential for spawn destruction can become unbalanced.

Comp rulesets (please don't flame, not just a comp suggestion) have considered banning static arty in favor of implementing SPA's, but testing has shown SPA's potential to wipe outposts is too strong to move forward with such a change at the moment.

[somber raptor]

SPAs are already very weak. I am not in favor of weakening them further. OP destruction is the only thing they have going for them right now.

[daring oracle]

removing the ability to remove op's would make them redundant

[elder pasture]

Too strong in what way? Does it create a stalemate because it's too easy to defend with it, or is it too powerful to defend against?

[warped comet]

Sadly removing that part would make them to weak in pubs

Would love to see some SPAs in comp streams honestly.

[lyric ivy]

they are allowed in multiple tournaments since this year, people hate them.
Was wondering about a match on Remagen this weekend, but one side gave up already pre-match

[surreal olive]

I was first advocating for allowing SPA in ECL tournament but must admit that it is already painful for the infantry enough getting splashed by HQ arty, tanks and now 3 AT rockets. Having SPA with the same splash as HQ arty and removing OPs is absolutely nuts especially in high skill matches where all elements of the gameplay are being fully utilised. Let's see what arty changes they announce this Friday

[final snow]

The SPA should be limited to a minimum range with an ARC style trajectory for their rounds. Sick of seeing one sitting front door spamming with a medium tank behind it keeping AT from doing anything about them. SPA shouldnt be able to shoot under a certain amount of metres.

[somber raptor]

People need to decide what they want the SPA to be because the feedback that people have given is very conflicting and it makes it difficult for the devs to properly balance it

[surreal olive]

We do not need them to be in the first place

[final snow]

Went from 3 arty guns to 1 mobile tank arty, commander x 3 aoe arty and soon to be you can build a arty gun anywhere in the first 2 rows

[agile coyote]

They already nerfed the SPA into the ground. A shell of what it once was leave it be lol

[surreal olive]

What are you talking about? It only cannot destroy garrisons :D. It is still overpowered if used well. It can destroy OPs and Level 3 structures which is madness by the way. Static artillery shell flies 30s, SPA is only a few seconds so the cadence is much faster and the splash is the same.

[agile coyote]

For artillery purposes it’s junk. It’s a shell of its former self. It was introduced to give us arty players another option. You cannot hit behind buildings, hedge lines, etc. ya know… like what artillery and indirect fire does.

[surreal olive]

Yeah that's true that it is an utter rubbish on some maps especially Hurtgen and Hill400

[agile coyote]

Completely useless in urban areas like Carentan, SME, etc where the whole point of artillery is to be able to hit behind hard cover. Not to mention the MIL system and shooting mechanics are completely backwards now. No mortar or artillery piece ever do you raise the elevation to shoot further.

[surreal olive]

It's really really hard for T17 to reflect and remove or rework features they've implemented. Truth be told they should start looking in to hiring a new game director. The GD might be good for other projects but I don't think the GD has the right sense of what this game needs and where it should be headed. HLL:V seems to be a complete copy pasta of HLL. Not really any new ideas nor improvements of the core mechanics...

[agile coyote]

Early reviews of Nam don’t seem ideal imo. Hearing a lot of “feels like battlefield” and same things you are saying. I’m curious if they even implement mortars properly, like actually properly

[surreal olive]

I didn't see it in action on my own eyes but I was told mortar is alright but we'll see...

I would not mind if it played a bit more like BF3/4