Meltdown Update Preview

[eternal ibex]

mem leak?

E_OUTOFMEMORY

[zenith knoll]

memoryleak..

flashback to when i was devving a mc modpack and a world file ballooned to 30gb in like 20 mins

[vague aurora]

Maaybe.

I have never suffered it before, hm.

[twilit matrix]

Ha, fun. I try to be a little more careful with that in my mods.

[narrow owl]

Ok I like it but make it gold plates

so refined gold

[twilit matrix]

That would mean a new item, though.

[narrow owl]

else you can't stop it from being taken by processor factories

[narrow owl]

yeah not much of an issue

[twilit matrix]

True.

Though I think gold coils would be better.

[narrow owl]

Well not really because to transmit heat you need a lot of area

[twilit matrix]

True.

So, yeah. Gold plates.

[narrow owl]

Also that would "soft-lock" overclocks behind a higher level

[twilit matrix]

Even better.

[narrow owl]

not needing to make the blueprint as expensive

[twilit matrix]

So which heat-related parts do you think should require gold?

I'm thinking thermal batteries, for one.

[narrow owl]

All of them

just make 1 raw gold give like 4-6 plates

to not make pipes too expensive

That way you can also use a limited amount of overclock early game

[twilit matrix]

Oh, I was thinking that just some of them would. It would feel a bit odd to have gold produce that many plates.

[narrow owl]

Well we could call it gold sheets or maybe gold alloy and mix it with iron or copper

[twilit matrix]

Gold sheets would be good for 5 or so per ore.

[zenith knoll]

i did fix it, it was caused by one mod doing too many checks and saving each check induvitually

[minor stratus]

will this update require the existing ships in game to be changed, like adding vents? it seems like a full thermal beam ship would be very strong against conventionally strong normal ships

[pale python]

no i think

[frigid gull]

Hosting MeltDown Domination FFA

[near flax]

two LC changes i would like to see
the shrapnel itself has a shorter range, rn if flak shoots down OCLC right when its shooting it just makes a shotgun for full LC range
shrapnel able to be shot down

[languid basin]

Interceptable shrapnel would distract PDs from shooting down actual threatening muntions like missiles/OCwhatevers

[narrow blade]

added benefit (shrapnel smoke screen or smth)

[near flax]

does the rts ai know when thrusters are overclocked?

[eternal ibex]

TCMs are bugged and fire twice as fast as intended

[plucky fossil]

no

nor does dc

[frigid gull]

Hosting dom Meltdown

[near flax]

a way to see deck cannon stun radius would be fantastic

[regal sand]

not specific to meltdown, and already asked. For now, you have to use a mod for that (this one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3011398047), but it doesn't include the widened Oc DC stun

[granite sapphire]

oc mrt needs a buff

[tacit peak]

mhhh.

maybe thrusters should kinda work like radiator sdo

keep the ''danger'' zone of the thruster

but

make there be an extra radius behind it that makes it less effective the closer theres a block

nerf block ships 🔥

make oc TB'd missiles switch to the team of the TB

[plucky fossil]

it needs to be rescaled, afaik it's ok for massive ships, it just is not useful for normal size and smaller

[narrow owl]

I 100000% AGREE WITH THAT

But wait until we get that orientable thruster at least

[tacit peak]

why?

and orientable thruster would NEED to be deck

or like

burn your ship if its in your radius

of blocks

itd be hard to work with

[narrow owl]

So we can get reverse thrusters like this, who are at least partly protectedby the armor

[tacit peak]

oh dude

thatll be

LATE in

with the joints

[narrow owl]

Not really, it can be like a front mounted turret

Orientable like -45 to +45 degrees

[tacit peak]

it would need too adress to the burning blocks thing

or make dangerzone in a cone ;-;

[narrow owl]

just make it a laser like radiators and reduce efficiency when there is an obstruction

[tacit peak]

i mean

I suppose that works

only let them work as close as they are

to other things

yeah I suppose that could work

[wispy stream]

which kind of mods will break when the meltdown update goes public ?

[tacit peak]

bassically all of them id assume

[narrow owl]

Some of them I guess until the modder decides to change the number on the mod.rules > version line x3

[paper hemlock]

wdym rescaled

[plucky fossil]

the curve needs to be refit

[charred lantern]

Set to a different size, scaled again. Re-scaled

[tepid charm]

skimmed over faq couldnt figure it out, how do you actually access the meltdown preview?

is it like a beta access code i gotta find

[dark lily]

I believe the password is previewpreview
#1370799036591898837 message

[tepid charm]

cheers o7

[tepid charm]

so whats the rundown on some of the new stuff?

heat mechanics seem neat, radiators heat pipes all that

i sense this being a pain in the ass to work around though

whats the thermal oscillation lance or whatever it is and the heat amp and its variant though

[lusty zealot]

thermal resonance lance

[tepid charm]

yeah that thing

[lusty zealot]

it applies heat to an enemy where it hits, the amount of heat applied is increased by amplification pumps and the propagation area is increased by dilation pumps. it also debuffs shields that it hits by making them have less HP per energy, this debuff is increased a lot more by dilators

[tepid charm]

ohhhh thats what theyre for

[lusty zealot]

it also creates heat as a waste product

[tepid charm]

so ideal setup for it is have a bunch of rads on it, stack amps and dilators, and ball

[lusty zealot]

it's neat because it can be set up as an anti-armour support weapon, an anti-shield support weapon, or a main damaging weapon depending how you use pumps

[tepid charm]

im gonna need tips for how to set it up for an individual purpose fml

[lusty zealot]

a note: pumps apply to any TRLs (the resonance lances) on the thermal network they're connected to

though with diminishing returns, scaling power use, and heat generation based on the amount of pumps

[tepid charm]

cant wait to slap an mmct substation on them lol

[plucky fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/find-out-goof-gif-27488654

[tepid charm]

or for when mods get updated for it ig

[lusty zealot]

i would advise against using mods on meltdown for the time being yeah

[tepid charm]

figured that out already dw lol

[lusty zealot]

also the TRL isn't the only new weapon, there's also a new missile type

the Thermal Canister Missile (aka TCM)

basically: shove your heat in, and make it someone else's problem

[tepid charm]

huh you can actually use the heat as a weapon?

i thought it was just something you had to dissipate via rad

shit ok

[lusty zealot]

you can also dissipate it via TCMs and throwing it at someone else

[tepid charm]

fr

[lusty zealot]

it's also possible to use radiators to airfry opponents

[tepid charm]

no way lmfao

so what you can just overclock your thrusters direct it into frontal rads shield it and commit freshly seared ship

[plucky fossil]

yes

[tepid charm]

that sounds funny as fuck ima do that tomorrow

[lusty zealot]

yeah, though they're very short ranged

and it can be difficult getting enough heat to run that full time

it's more of a gimmick thing that you can do than a fully viable tactic

[tepid charm]

ive like only ever played the game with a fuck ton of mods though so this is gonna be interesting

[lusty zealot]

i've never really used mods, the game doesn't really need them

[tame comet]

the only mods ive used are changes to existing weapons or vanilla+ weapons or lights or new career ships to fight or more pirates

thats kinda it

[tepid charm]

yeah not me

anyways

so uhh, thrusters just go faster when overclocked, laser turns into a beam weapon and gains fire rate, ion emitter doubles up on power, what other effects are there

[lusty zealot]

a lot

i will link back to [air's gif](#1370799036591898837 message)

try things out

there's enough to keep you busy for a while

[tepid charm]

cant right this second but alr

ig ill ask someone else later

[lusty zealot]

every weapon basically gets an additional mechanic that changes its use in some way

small lasers get hitscan and fire faster, heavy lasers fire slower but more powerful and with an aoe, small cannons get burst-fire faster and more accurate projectiles, large cannons get incendiary shrapnel, ions create lightning instead of directly impacting, railguns have windup time and a much more powerful shot, etc

[tepid charm]

oohhhhh

ima see about making a sniper rifle on crack then

do the railgun parts need to individually be connected to each other with pipes or does it only need to be expelled from a single part

[tame comet]

just a single part

[tepid charm]

if its the latter, :)—

[lusty zealot]

aye

[tepid charm]

:))))))

[tame comet]

it is worth noting that if you dont want to disspiate it, then 2 railgun shots dont produce enough heat to completely overheat the railgun

[tepid charm]

this is, good information that has been given to the wrong person :))))))))

[tepid charm]

good to know

[tame comet]

completely overheat means cause fire

[tepid charm]

yeah i figured that out p early

[tame comet]

im fairly certain it is 2 but id try and see

[tepid charm]

ill need to check how many rads is needed for every overclock

[lusty zealot]

It Depends™

[tame comet]

heavily depends

for some weapons like lasers its not that many but for some like shields its very dependent on what you're fighting

[lusty zealot]

there's also thermal batteries that can store heat, allowing you to get away with using burstier things with less radiators than strictly necessary

[tepid charm]

i figured itd depend for the reactors at least but everything else if its just shooting surely itll be p consistent

[lusty zealot]

heavily recommended for chainguns, deck cannons, and railguns

[tepid charm]

oh thermal batts is cool

[tame comet]

batteries are also way cheaper than radiators

4 batteries is 1 radiator i believe

or is it 3.5k

[tepid charm]

jesus

[tame comet]

its either 3.5 or 2.5

[lusty zealot]

oh and shields

running overclocked shields without thermal batteries is certainly A Decision

[tame comet]

if its 3.5 then its around 3 but if its 2 then its 4

[lusty zealot]

2.5k since the last balance change to them iirc

[tame comet]

trust me i will survive the alpha and use my alpha

[tepid charm]

whats shields..?

[tame comet]

ok then yea

[tame comet]

shields overclock?

[tepid charm]

yes

[lusty zealot]

3x the efficiency (and thus HP) but smaller shield arc and produce heat when taking damage

[tepid charm]

i know what they are dw im not retarded that much

[lusty zealot]

50% EMP resistance as well

[tepid charm]

oh holy fuck yeah thatd be kinda nuts

[tame comet]

i thought emp resistance was 50% of what it normally was

makes sense

i wouldnt mind seeing the emp resistance be a 50% weakness

or produce a fuck ton of heat

[lusty zealot]

overclocked large shields are kinda ridiculously good right now, we (the balance council) are definitely looking at them

[tepid charm]

ideally you overclock something only if you have a substantial buffer before it then huh

small standard shield buffer before large overclocked shield

thanks autocorrect

[tame comet]

i wanna try using 2 radiators and like 60 thermal batteries and seeing how that goes

[lusty zealot]

eh, or just have enough thermal management

[tepid charm]

uhhhh

[lusty zealot]

pvp ship for example (credit to j_yuuki)

[tepid charm]

im already godawful at proper optimized crew logistics so thats gonna be fun

[tame comet]

you technically dont need thermal management if you kill whatever you're fighting in pvp before you explode

[tepid charm]

i did pvp like once back in 2024 and never again because nobody plays with me

[lusty zealot]

thermal management is generally easier than optimizing crew logistics i think. for the most part it's basically shove as many batteries as possible in and have a decent amount of radiators

[tepid charm]

and im not playing pubs with how little i know about basegame balance

[lusty zealot]

that's one of the issues with modding

[tame comet]

pubs are a thing

[tepid charm]

thing is, everyone had my pack, played it, then never touched the game again

not even when i asked to do basegame

[lusty zealot]

most PVP stuff happens in either [Excelsior](#links message) or, recently, the [Tidepool](#links message)

[tepid charm]

im like the only one out of all my friend groups that even remotely enjoys the game which sucks ass

[lusty zealot]

yeah, it's always annoying when that happens

this game does have a good community though for the most part

[tepid charm]

yeah yall seem nice

[lusty zealot]

or for the domination gamemode, [Fight Club](#links message)

[tepid charm]

i honestly forgot everything about the pvp games i did back in 2024

[lusty zealot]

it's certainly a different experience from career and creative

[tepid charm]

i just remember basically kicking everyones shit in because nobody made even remotely large ships like i did

my big ships arent even that fkn good

none of my ships are for that matter honestly i use some mods for crutching

[lusty zealot]

-# part of the reason i don't like using mods

[tepid charm]

anyways, yeah, nobody to play game with so no pvp and no metahead optimization and shit

[lusty zealot]

that's what the servers are for

[tepid charm]

im trying to crutch less in my current career run, use crew logistics for everything instead of ai cores and mmct power

[lusty zealot]

plenty of nerds willing to play and to autism out to help, myself included

[tepid charm]

-# should we move to general? this is less meltdown-y now

[lusty zealot]

yeah probably

[tepid charm]

ill be in modded ships ig

[tepid charm]

i wonder how fast i can get a fully overclocked MRT to go

speaking of, whats that vacuum part or whatever it is

does it just eat heat from around itself? does it have a limit to how fast it can do that or

sounds like itd be useful for engines or other parts with specific connectivity

railguns maybe? idk

[tame comet]

yea its 900/s

[tepid charm]

good to know

ill need to see how much heat stuff generates specifically, is it in stats when you hold alt on a part

-# i dont need the stats right this second ill look at those when im on later today if they exist on the statscreen

[lusty zealot]

yes, though you also need to hit ctrl to toggle showing OC'd stats

[tepid charm]

good to know

im actually curious if i can get some of the simpler mods to work just by changing some of their version parameters

stuff like bulkheads and corridor fire extinguishers should be pretty simple

im worried about how built in ships are gonna make use of overclocking though this shit is gonna be nasty

[lusty zealot]

the current builtin factions will have little to no overclocking, though the architects are working on a new faction dedicated to overclocking and thermal stuff in general

[tepid charm]

oh ok

[lusty zealot]

like imperium they won't spawn in the first system, making them a bit more late-game

[tepid charm]

that works better cool

so what other changes are there apart from the heat system and new weapon

[tame comet]

only one i know of is flak goes from 2500 against projectiles to 3000

[lusty zealot]

a change to drag (increased at high speed) and another couple QoL changes, i think projectile speeds are increased across the board as well

[tepid charm]

oh they’re fucking with ship speeds?

[lusty zealot]

also not sure if you're including these in the 'heat system' bracket, but overclocking and TCMs are also new things that aren't strictly the heat system

[lusty zealot]

yeah there was a much more drastic change to overall pacing earlier in the meltdown previews but that was mostly rolled back

[tepid charm]

we’ll probably get a drag reversion mod instantly

[tepid charm]

fair enough, i meant those to be in the heat system but yeah you’re right

[lusty zealot]

eh, it only really comes into effect above like 110m/s, most gameplay won't be affected

it's mostly just for pvp

the council and devs are looking into other tweaks/changes on that front though

[tepid charm]

i make all my campaign ships with insane engineering bay mrt systems :))))

autocorrect turning all into my is crazy

[next urchin]

I find the question funny every time it's asked bc rephrased it's like: "What was changed aside from adding a per-tile heat status effect, a modular fully heat-based weapon, a heat-based missile type, alternate modes for almost every part in the game, heat management via a pipe system, and overhauling how fire works?"

[tepid charm]

overhauling how fire works wait what

nobody said anything about that

what are the changes to fire, honestly idk shit about it outside of any beta to begin with lol

[next urchin]

It no longer destroys parts, instead doing a significant portion of the part's health in damage, and eventually rendering the part inoperable

[tepid charm]

oh

huh

so its not just a dot its more of a bleedout without destroying the part

wonder how repairs will work with that

alr cool good to know, i had no idea fire was changed

also just to be clear, theres no other parts that benefit in any way from having heat accumulate in them apart from the missile type right

everything else is just get off my lawn

[lusty zealot]

correct

[tepid charm]

sweet

[bitter steppe]

Yeah, but like... what else was added?

[lusty zealot]

it's also worth making a distinction between 'hull heat' and 'system heat', as it does affect a few things and might account for a few seemingly counter-intuitive situations you could encounter

[tepid charm]

yeah i didnt mean the question in a ‘thats cool but anyways’ way i meant it like am i missing anything

[tepid charm]

oh?

[lusty zealot]

system heat is heat inside a pipe network, it's 'safe' and applies no debuffs, heat generated by any part attached directly to a pipe network is system heat

hull heat is the dangerous type, it happens if you get hit by a thermal weapon (TRL, TCM, radiator) or if system heat exceeds your network's capacity

hull heat increases the damage parts take and decreases their penetration resistance, it also starts fires and causes damage over time if beyond a certain threshold

[tepid charm]

ohhhh

so thats why the trl can be support focused its a dmg amp

shit, thats p cool i might make a lil mini trl support ship

[lusty zealot]

you can turn hull heat into system heat by using heat exchangers to suck up heat from the hull and into a network, though it is throughput-limited and has inefficiency (it adds 40% to the heat slurped in the transfer process)

[tame comet]

also it can go through parts i think, or at least thrusters can go through engine rooms

[lusty zealot]

aye

that alongside its shield debuff makes it a serious force multiplier

[tepid charm]

oh god the vacuum generates more heat when it vacs?

thats more caps or rads shit

[lusty zealot]

yeah, though the benefits it offers often outweighs that

[tepid charm]

mm true

[lusty zealot]

a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to hook up things like OC PD or small thrust, and very handy on smaller ships where pipe layouts conflict a lot with crew logistics

[tepid charm]

im awful at crew logistics lmao

moving walkways when they uhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/evil-ambrz-cat-fading-smile-smile-fade-gif-7045864595609206640

wait whats overclocked pd do

higher damage projectiles or more acc?

[lusty zealot]

generates power for itself

[tepid charm]

o

[lusty zealot]

much like base small thrust does

which, by the way, overclocked small thrusters increases that generation rate

[tepid charm]

neat

[lusty zealot]

very handy as emergency turning thrust

[tepid charm]

i really should try to make a ship that isnt just some variation of an oval

no creativity for actual ship shapes though

it all just expands outwards from a certain point

[lusty zealot]

oval's an interesting shape to naturally grow into

rectangles seem more common

[tepid charm]

yeah im not a rectangle person

[lusty zealot]

it is a fairly effective shape for a ship

[tepid charm]

shit that reminds me i still need to rework my ‘pvp’™️ fleet to not use those damn impulse drives

i gotta give it engineering bay mrts or something

[lusty zealot]

wdym by engineering bay?

[tepid charm]

4x4 engine room with boosted range

my current career ship uses it

the resource logistics ship does too

[lusty zealot]

ah

[tepid charm]

when i get on my pc later today ill post a full pic in modded ships

[next urchin]

Uhh it really shouldn't be able to go through walls? if you can reproduce that, submit a bug report

[plucky fossil]

also it ignites some resources and functionally just instakills the part

[upbeat sequoia]

What have the Romans ever done for us?

[clever marlin]

@half wyvern

[frigid gull]

the shield seems to cover the radiator but the hit box extends past.

unlike the laser where both the hitbox and part itself both are covered

[narrow owl]

I guess the hit box thing will eventually be fixed but report it to bug reports if not already done

[frigid gull]

okay

[narrow owl]

Also your rads aren't connected to the pipe system

[frigid gull]

yeah thx this was a few days ago i fixed that lol

[tepid charm]

made a quick lil ion prospector with meltdown stuff :>

i realize now though that i could probably pretty easily turn that mining laser sideways

[jaunty gyro]

why is everything red

[tepid charm]

ion storm prospector

[jaunty gyro]

Ahh

horrifying

[tepid charm]

truly terrifying

[near flax]

the pipes cant pass through it so not really

[next urchin]

Oh? That's odd, I didn't think it did. Will look into it

[tepid charm]

yeah

[frigid gull]

yeah it appears to. Thanks!

[next urchin]

Wait, are you referring to the highlight box?

[frigid gull]

yeah the part looks like its int he shield but the hitbox is outside the shield

but the laser is right

[tepid charm]

its still taking damage then right

[next urchin]

That orange box isn't the hitbox

^

[tepid charm]

yeah thats just the minimum exhaust sector

[frigid gull]

either way it get killed through the shield

[tepid charm]

does it actually get hit or not if projectiles impact the shield—

ok then yeah

makes more sense™️

[frigid gull]

idk it just get killed every time without the shields going down

[next urchin]

By what weapon

[frigid gull]

laser heavy

[next urchin]

OC?

[tepid charm]

over— ^

[next urchin]

OC heavy laser is splash damage, which will damage parts behind shields if they're close enough

[frigid gull]

yes

[tepid charm]

then yeah theres your answer

[frigid gull]

well idk now lol i thought i used a old laser wall

Not OC

[granite sapphire]

so not overclocked?

👽

[frigid gull]

yes

[tepid charm]

oh shit ok

nvm then yeah

[next urchin]

In future, if you experience something like that - get a save where it happens. I'll try to reproduce it

[frigid gull]

it was lol sorry

[tepid charm]

https://tenor.com/view/echdeath-gif-312242944436843927

[granite sapphire]

oc heavy lasers, mining lasers, and ions can go through shields

[frigid gull]

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-shonk-attack-camera-dive-shark-gif-14344361424253681658

[next urchin]

Schrodinger's overclock

[frigid gull]

so thats not a bug?

[tepid charm]

yeah its an area of effect attack

[granite sapphire]

ys

[tepid charm]

the impact range is damaging it after projectile hits the shield

[next urchin]

Ions jump across shields. The others are splash damage

[granite sapphire]

ions dont have aoe they chain lightning which can go thru shields to parts behind

very funny vs walls

[tepid charm]

ion go brr

[granite sapphire]

i think this needs more research in dom tbh

sounds very very strong and not taken advantage of

and oc ions are alr rly good at melting small ships

[delicate bay]

Are there release notes anywhere for the Meltdown preview builds? I've observed that the tool-tip info doesn't always match what's actually happening. Specifically Thermal Resonance Lance pumps use WAY more than 0.4/sec. (more like 1.5-1.67/s)

[plucky fossil]

depends on number of turrets

hideen stat

[delicate bay]

Really enjoying the Meltdown preview. Tons of new things to optimize and quite a few deadly new combos. I wish the balance committee the best of luck. On the one hand, heat management is a big jump in complexity so it has to result in more powerful ships or nobody will use the new mechanics. On the other hand the old ships need to stay relevant.

[delicate bay]

Huh, I did have 10 lances on that ship. Was trying to keep 6-pumps per turret for max heat on target per plasma battery. Hidden stats really screw up my optimization spreadsheet.

[lusty zealot]

power use and heat generation for pumps scale off the amount of TRLs on the network

@next urchin might be a good idea to put
-# per connected TRL
after the power use stat of TRL pumps

[tepid charm]

im actually getting some really basic mods working with preview

corridor fire extinguishers, bulkheads, the works

but even stuff like advanced ammo storages is working

[plucky fossil]

yeah, i spent a couple hours on my own setup but inly autofired 1 turret when testing :(

[dusky gate]

I'm having some issues with heavy lasers, when OC'ed they sometimes do no damage. Is this known ?

I think it happens more often when they hit shields, they just explode on the shield surface but shield is not consumed at all

[vague aurora]

Architrcture!

Administrative divisions.

Model of European society (though that was Greece)

[plucky fossil]

is it moving

[narrow blade]

why can the overclocked disruptor bolts be blocked by cannons

[plucky fossil]

they aren't armor and have high pen resist

[paper hemlock]

New meta

[vague aurora]

Cannon armour

[paper hemlock]

Cannon Armor is Canon

[zenith knoll]

cannon plot armor

[vague aurora]

There was some guy suggesting balance change cannon hp from 21K to 36K or something, and some guy replied with a ship with its front made out of cannons.

Reminds me of that.

I think CG shell should recieve hp buff.

Funny idea, what if overclocked CG shell got 100% damage reduction, but every hit generated utterly ludicrous heat?

Like 4 heat per damage.

[tame comet]

chaingun is probably getting changes soon™️

[vague aurora]

Mmm

[vague aurora]

Imagine the idea of CG composite armour, hilarious.

[tame comet]

for most this wouldn't change much. the shell is a really odd addition snd doesn't make much sense since you want to kill what you're fighting and avoid not killing them and all for a measly 70% dr for that enormous downtime

if the weapon wasnt modular, sure

[vague aurora]

Yeah that's why I' saying CG shells should recieve huge buff to AT LEAST make it have the FEELING of being slightly impactful.

It was one thing I was saying about CGs that they feel a bloated and gimmicky weapon, rampup weapon, modular and defence-based all at once.

Back when still in preview

[tame comet]

they're essentially a roided out ion that doesnt last as long. thats now i treat them

the side mounted magazines make it hard to actually mount on the front vs turning them sideways and making bootleg ion core

[vague aurora]

But we already have that type of weapon, it's called ion!

I think the CG were always meant for rotational use.

I think they need to bring back the 90 degree per second rotation.

Though that comes with side effect of removing the cg core downtime.

[gloomy raft]

amusing but also, us?

[dusky gate]

sorry I don't understand. What's moving ?

[plucky fossil]

the target

[frigid gull]

whats the elim meta in meltdown ?

[plucky fossil]

deck cannon op

[lusty zealot]

OC deck cannons, OC large shields, dilation TRLs, lots of thermal storage, i believe are the main components of the meta

[jaunty gyro]

I have a feeling OC deck cannons will get nerfed, even the super stun is not a huge downside when they have massive range and hit like a pair of trucks

[frigid gull]

cool

[lusty zealot]

yeah they will be

[near flax]

from playing with them in dom which is where they are the strongest the shot speed is the thing that makes them really strong

[stuck roost]

@next urchin how happy are you with the current state of the preview? how much testings are you expecting to need before stable release?

By the way I think it's a really wonderful update and breath of fresh air and I guess you really worked hard on it!

[hollow gull]

I had this exact problem but with OC mining lasers

[next urchin]

Pretty happy, but only with the knowledge that it's not in its final state. Probably still a bit of testing, but I expect that even after stable release I'll be making improvements, particularly on the balance side - we'll see

[next urchin]

They should not be doing that. I've already fixed 2 bugs causing this - you're telling me there's a third??

[hollow gull]

@next urchin

I don't remember where I saved the gifs, but I have gifs of around 8 OC mining lasers just not damaging a shield at all

it was very inconsistent and generally odd

sometimes the lasers would annihilate the ship, sometimes they couldnt do even one shield

I watched inside the other ship, the crew were not delivering batteries outside of the natural decay

[next urchin]

I'd need a save file to fix it

[hollow gull]

I created a save file just in case someone were to say that

I overwrote it saving a different bug 😭 I'll try to recreate it

ok I got it to happen again first try

actually i think I see what is happening

they fire at shield 1 and it goes down

then the others go down

but then when shield 1 comes back up, despite hitting shield 1, they are not damaging it

and only dealing aoe damage, and only to shield 2-3

so

the beams are hitting shield 1, but only damaging shields 2-3

@next urchin

[stuck roost]

Ya think it'll release before the end of july?

you got a fair bit of testing already and so much polishment I wouldb'r be surprised if it takes more than that ^-^

[pale python]

just hope the odd collider bug gets fixed before rc

-# its been like several weeks since i touched cosmoteer rahhh

[pale python]

@next urchin Quixotic (not on the server still waiting for that unban form to work rahh) asks the following:

what's supposed to be put inside OnlyStatuses[] since putting just a status id into [] gives a "Unable to find node at path "StatusType" relative to "<C:\Users\Admin\Saved Games\Cosmoteer\76561199027201253\Mods\multiverse\Parts\Weapons\FellMagicBullet\bullet_large\bullet_large.rules>/Components/Hit/HitFriendly/HitEffects/2/Filter/OnlyStatuses/0"." error

[next urchin]

Uhhh from memory and the error, it might be an object that has rules for value ranges - maybe optional?
I would try just putting StatusType = "xyz" in an object (curly braces)

[pale python]

will foward to them

that sounds confusing

[next urchin]

It wouldn't be if we had accessible documentation 😢

[pale python]

i looked into it i think its supposed to be like

OnlyStatuses
[
{
Statustype = x
Minvalue
Maxvalue
(optional for both)
}
]

[next urchin]

Yeah, as I said

StatusType in an object

Value ranges, maybe optional

[pale python]

I see (good to know what its called)

[next urchin]

Sorry, I tried to make that clear with the parentheses

[pale python]

i used to call anything similar node but i guess its different

Node for Named fields in {} and Object for unnamed in [] then?

-# example_mod also gives out the names as {} group and [] list, i see

[narrow owl]

Is there a bug ? I don't think I should be capping out the radiator with only 1 OCLT and 1 fac on an exchanger

I'm only generating 940 heat

the OCLT is 550*1.5 and the fac is 82.5*1.4

oh wait

the tooltips are lying

mhhhh

bot cool

[eternal ibex]

known issue i think?

[narrow owl]

oki

[vague dew]

looks like you are sucking heat from more stuff to me

[covert frigate]

the heat generation tooltip on factories is bugged. the calcs were multiplying by the interval, when they should be dividing

[narrow owl]

I only have these two OC (and pd)

[vague dew]

ah yeah

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone New Meltdown Update preview is now ready for testing! Thanks for your continued testing and feedback! We're getting closer and closer to launch, I swear! 😉 (Note that there was even more stuff we wanted to get in for this build but just didn't have time and felt like there was enough for a new build and didn't want to wait.)

Features:

• Fire Extinguisher overclocking
• Added connectivity visualisation to the Part/Thermal Network blueprint overlay
• Suns now apply heat rather than dealing direct damage

Balance:

• Railgun (Overclocked):
  • Reduced base charge time (0.75→0.5)
  • Fire interval timer can now progress while charging
  • Capped charge time to a maximum of 3.5 seconds
• Small Laser (Overclocked): reduced fire rate (4/s→3/s)
• Ion Beam (Overclocked): reduced base damage per lightning strike (200→180)
• Deck Cannon (Overclocked): reduced projectile damage pool (12,000→10,200)
• Mining Laser (Overclocked):
  • Reduced damage against enemies (750/s→500/s)
  • Reduced damage against shields (500/s→400/s)
• Heavy Laser (Overclocked):
  • Reduced damage (2,000→1,500)
  • Increased shield damage (800→1,600)
  • No longer deals damage to parts when hitting a shield arc
• Large Cannon (Overclocked):
  • Reduced projectile speed (300→195)
  • Reduced shrapnel range (150→75)
• Standard Cannon (Overclocked): increased heat per shot (175→265)
• 1/2/3-Way Small Thruster (Overclocked): increased heat generation (200→250)
• Medium Thruster (Overclocked): increased heat generation (250→340)
• Large Thruster (Overclocked): increased heat generation (550→675)
• Boost Thruster (Overclocked):
  • Disabling overclock now disables boost
  • Increased heat generation (550→675)
  • Reduced max power usage while boosting (1.58/s→1.38/s)
• Thermal Resonance Lance:
  • Increased base heat pool (1,800/s→2,250/s)
  • Rebalanced Shield Overload:
    • Now builds up to max value over 3 seconds (was instant)
    • Reduced base value (50%→4.4%)
    • Reduced value per amplification (1.25%→0.6%)
    • Reduced value per dilation (16.5%→10%)
• Heat: halved diffusion (spread) speed
• Capacitor (Overclocked): batteries now take time to pick up (same as Large Reactors)
• Large Shield (Overclocked):
  • Reduced the damage per energy bonus (300%→200%)
  • Reduced energy drain resistance (50%→33%)
• Reworked Small Shield Overclock:
  • Increases arc by 150% (to 135 degrees)
  • Increases radius by 150% (to 11.25)
  • Generates heat continuously and on taking damage

Other:

• Corrected Overclocked Engine Room heat multiplier (75%, now 175%)
• Fixed Beam Effects not showing spread
• Fixed issue causing toggled-off radiators to retain their last activation value, causing pipes to glow
• Unified Thermal Canister Missile non-targeted and targeted lifetimes to match other missiles
• Corrected Small Thruster dynamo production speed from half-speed value
• Fixed thermal ports showing on non-overclocked parts
• Polished the sub-parts U.I. and started using it for all modular parts, plus missiles+factories and armor.
• Right-clicking on a sub-parts tab will now close it.
• Reorganized some of the ship editor part tabs. Thrusters now have their own "Thrusters" tab. Hyperdrives have been moved to Utilities, leaving Control Rooms in their own "Command & Control" tab. Armor and structure have been combined into a single "Armor & Structure" tab. (Armor is still in defenses too.)
• Reordered some of the thermal parts in the ship editor.
• Build mode polish/adjustments

[narrow blade]

wall of text

[eager gyro]

fire extigishers

[remote charm]

fe rammer meta

[narrow blade]

OVERCLOCEKD FIRE EXTINGUISHERS?!?!?!?!?

[delicate moss]

FLOWTHROUGH LINES!! :D

[eager gyro]

yeee

[narrow blade]

facts

[frail anvil]

Yay my Meltdown mod works now

[narrow blade]

what do oc fire extinguishers do

[eager gyro]

if they do what i think they do...

one moment

[near flax]

yippee im gonna have to rebuild ships!

[livid thunder]

FIRE EXTINGUISHER OVERCLOCKING??

[eager gyro]

yee

[unkempt hazel]

Woohoo

[light stratus]

damn some big nerfs, big buffs and OC fire extinguishers haha

[tacit peak]

...FIRE EXTINGUISHER oc.... now that i did not expect

[unique orchid]

stars now deal heat damage, that means we can make vanila sundivers

[eager gyro]

nice

[grizzled sentinel]

oc large cannon nerf?

[summer cypress]

What does an oc fire extinguisher do-

[alpine needle]

what on earth would an OC fire extinguisher do give the crew jetpacks?

[eager gyro]

aw, i was hopeing for an aoe fire extigishing

[alpine needle]

making them remove heat in the general area not just put out fires would have been another idea

[eager gyro]

it just makes it so it only takes 1.5 seconds insted of 15

[summer cypress]

Ooh

[alpine needle]

does that mean one fire extinguisher can give multiple crew the suit things

[eternal ibex]

🤔 would you even need to sink the heat from OC fire extinguishers? 150 is so little heat that any fire would be tiny and a crew is bound to be right there with an extinguisher

[eager gyro]

in other words they restock faster

[paper hemlock]

What about the Small Shield OC rework, what does the shield look like now

[buoyant vortex]

fire extinguisher overclocking

[wintry kite]

DEAR GOD that's a rise of speed

[buoyant vortex]

what

[alpine needle]

also cant wait to make vannila sun divers

[paper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[eager gyro]

i think it might have some issues

[light stratus]

whoa

[grizzled sentinel]

texture is weird

[polar knot]

Woah the Polish

[eternal ibex]

universal overclock nerfs, good
i really like the small shield rework and the cannon nerfs, thank god

[paper hemlock]

That structure and armor tab change is awesome

[wintry kite]

Oh YES

[eager gyro]

wait i just realised, small shield now acts like a large one

[wintry kite]

Now small ships can have so much more use

[paper hemlock]

It's like a mini LS arc now but with block phasing

[wintry kite]

Yes! You can now shield the barrel of even 5 prism ship with them for example

[grizzled sentinel]

its like mod shield got added in cosmoteer

[eager gyro]

theres a new icon for radiators

[paper hemlock]

The graphic needs a bit of work though with it being stretched out like that lol

[eager gyro]

yep

[grizzled sentinel]

also heat beam buff is crazy idk

[paper hemlock]

Reminds me of those electrical kits where you would snap parts together

[eager gyro]

also no worrys with the extigusher, you can do it on all sides

[grizzled sentinel]

with the halved spread

[eager gyro]

also

[paper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/mental-cat-ive-gone-completely-mental-gif-20846828

[eager gyro]

directional wire indicators or something liek that

[alpine needle]

okay that i like

[narrow owl]

dat's not what I expected but I'm liking it

[pale python]

o shit

[grizzled sentinel]

conveyor oc when

[eager gyro]

lol

[paper hemlock]

The red army

[eager gyro]

its kinda crazy

[tranquil cape]

i thought it would have like anti fire foam get spread around the extingusher position instead

[stuck roost]

Gosh looking at these numbers alone I bet shields were greatly nerfed

[stuck roost]

GOOD THING

[eternal ibex]

shields were fucking broken

[pale python]

aw it just ignores asteroids

😢

[frigid flax]

fire extingusher should spread like a fire

[paper hemlock]

Wdym aw this is good

[charred lantern]

What's it doing ?

[grizzled sentinel]

also halved diffusion? idk i think this buff to no oc ships

[paper hemlock]

Mineral rich asteroids won't get slowly eaten by the sun anymore

[grizzled sentinel]

its like no oc parts dont spread heat

[narrow owl]

New icons !

[pale python]

new noise textures

[grizzled sentinel]

also its buff to heat beams

[narrow owl]

Omg it's perfect

[stuck roost]

Fight fire with fire

[eager gyro]

the amount of crew from 1 overclockek extigusher

[charred lantern]

Oh it prints extinguishers?

[mortal musk]

Everything nerfed

[narrow owl]

Someone gotta explain what the hell is that to me

[mortal musk]

Its over

[charred lantern]

I couldn't tell where the crew were coming from. I thought they were extinguisher androids or something

[mortal musk]

New small shield oc?

[eager gyro]

yep

[narrow owl]

yeah

but wow

[alpine needle]

alos have i been building my heat lasters wrong or are shields just ment to hard counter them

[pale python]

so sad 😢

[grizzled sentinel]

heat beams were buffed

[mortal musk]

Looks cool but useful?

[mortal musk]

Yeah but like

[eternal ibex]

The thruster nerfs might be so much that even without overclock being blueprint locked it may no longer be worth it to run OC thrusters unless you have surface area constraints

[mortal musk]

Eveything else :(

[vague aurora]

LOLOL I wanted to suggest overclocked FE but only as a joke, there's no way XD

[eternal ibex]

Testing required though

[mortal musk]

Well its probs for the best i trust cosmoteer balancing

Indirectly buffed chaingun my goat

[eternal ibex]

Holy the small shield oc arc, that seems pretty broken

[narrow owl]

Yellow makes it look like it's more resistant, but it kinda acts as a light shield of some kind, maybe another color ?

cyan ?

[pale python]

yeah this is pretty awesome

[covert frigate]

factory heat gen tooltip still bugged 💀

[mortal musk]

Purple for thinner shield?

[pale python]

i do wonder what the build mode polish adjustments mean

[charred lantern]

Waiting on overclocked airlock

[lofty escarp]

what is this new update?

[eager gyro]

resock rate for OC extinguishers is slow enugh that you can use them without radiators

[narrow owl]

Group hyperdive and beacon

[lofty escarp]

i dont like the new build menu personally itll make buildiing slower

[mortal musk]

Fires crew as projectiles

[lofty escarp]

well thats also what my friends think

anyway

[eternal ibex]

lol, knew it

[mortal musk]

Whats the difference

[eager gyro]

1 extighisher every 1.5 seconds insted of 15 seconds

[rough shuttle]

Found something, the sun change of it emiting heat seems to make it so large shields just cant damaged, so if you have sheilds covering your ship, you are invounerable

[mortal musk]

Oh good

[cerulean prairie]

Remember that you can favorite anything you want easy access to.

[lofty escarp]

oh interesting,

may i suggest a way to switch back and through

forth*

[vague aurora]

These are some great balances, I really like long range for deck cannon by the way, I think this innacurate bombardment could be made a part of their gameplay but I'd like even slightly more range (400-450) and less damage (maybe damage dissipation over distance?)

[lofty escarp]

from the old system to the new one

[paper hemlock]

I personally think being able to move the tabs around would be really nice

[rough shuttle]

Is this intentional?

[cerulean prairie]

Switch between what exactly?

[rough shuttle]

like the sheilds make you unable to die from the sun

[stuck roost]

Oh my I love the new tabs!

[lofty escarp]

the old annd new build system

[vague aurora]

OC airlock, like I saod, spawns a small wormhole that sucks willing crew into ship very fast. Would make doing stuff on the move so much easier!

[lofty escarp]

or well tab's sysstem

[stuck roost]

Each time I think the QOL of this game cannot be improved, yet it always get prettier and better!!!

[cerulean prairie]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "tab system" because there were several changes.

[lofty escarp]

pretty much i meant the seperation of the tabs of this, so people could switch back to the old one if they wanted

and or just overall perfered it

[cerulean prairie]

Do you mean the part stacks?

[vague aurora]

Oo looks interesting.

[lofty escarp]

yeah,

[cerulean prairie]

Or the thruster/ftl/armor reorg?

[tranquil wedge]

The new tabs system is super cool

[lofty escarp]

ah, yeah this

[rough shuttle]

Oh i just noticed! thats awesome! but i almost find it a bit to subtle, didnt notice it at all, i just thought that certain parts when clicked opened up more.

[cerulean prairie]

I don't think I want to support multiple ways of organizing part tabs.

[lofty escarp]

fair,

[weary sparrow]

Hello, I am still on the work so I do not have the patch notes, can someone give me the link for me to check it?

[cerulean prairie]

I could see adding an option to turn off the part stacking feature since that's just systemic.

[cerulean prairie]

It's pinned.

[pale python]

really like this yea

[weary sparrow]

Ty

[split nexus]

NOO MY MINING LASERS NOO

[charred lantern]

What if I want multiple tabs open at once in parallel?

[split nexus]

THE NERFF

[rough shuttle]

Maybe make it more noticable? didnt see it until it was mentioned

[lofty escarp]

my friiend

stumbled upon a crash

i think?

[jaunty gyro]

None of my pipes are connected to reactors, engine rooms, and capacitors anymore?

[tribal ridge]

the lance and reactor crash bug got fixed

[cerulean prairie]

Sounds potentially useful, but a fairly significant new feature.

[cerulean prairie]

Are they overclocked?

[lusty zealot]

honestly if you aren't noticing it's working great

[rough shuttle]

They dont look overclocked?

[jaunty gyro]

Oh, that's different huh

[lofty escarp]

what could causse this actually?

[tranquil wedge]

Bug: The sun does not deal heat damage to shields

[rough shuttle]

Yep, noticed that

shields = invincable to the sun

[eternal ibex]

alpha sundiver time

[tranquil wedge]

waste sundiver

[eternal ibex]

i can't wait to build sundivers with heat application once the shield bug gets fixed

[paper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-damn-ar-one-enel-gif-26279142

[eternal ibex]

it could be quite interesting so long as shields aren't op for sinking heat

[paper hemlock]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

[tranquil wedge]

I fear that its much easier than before

[paper hemlock]

Testing rn

[tranquil wedge]

well its bugged rn so its trivial to do lol

[rough shuttle]

Wait sundivers? whats that?'

[eternal ibex]

idk it was pretty easy before

[coarse spindle]

Smh my head everyone knows that when you combine heat and a fire extinguisher you get a flamethrower

I'm sure the pvp community would find a use for that

[tranquil wedge]

Not to do it optimally. You needed very precise armor placement and crew positioning

[eternal ibex]

@granite sapphire fe rammer specialist your time is now

[rigid temple]

Personally, I don't think fire extinguishers should have an overclocking feature because they're not a mechanical part that could be "souped up" like lasers, shields, engines, cannons, etc.

To me, the Fire Extinguisher part is just a holder for a fire extinguisher, without any other mechanics to operate beyond normal limits. How does picking up fire extinguishers faster generate heat?

[coarse spindle]

In rare scenarios crew can leave the ship with an fe no? You could send a flamethrower swarm towards your enemy

[rough shuttle]

Yeah that is true, maybe if they looked or behaved more "mechanical" it would make more sense

[eternal ibex]

stick

(this no longer works due to OC SS rework) well technically it does because of the bug but whatever

[tranquil wedge]

Oh yea i guess oc shields ruined the complexity already lol

[eternal ibex]

yes completely

[tranquil wedge]

I meant before all that. In the good old times

[eternal ibex]

idk if these still work with the LS nerfs, may need to update them

[eternal ibex]

Before manip beams they were a lot harder

[coarse spindle]

I do agree that the oc fe is a little weird, imma give my fe suggestion here in a minute

[eternal ibex]

if oc fe gets removed it's going in my iceberg

[tranquil wedge]

i have not built one pre manip beam but yea i can imagine. Can it even be done with 1 ls then? Pretty risky if even possible

[tranquil wedge]

You have an iceberg?

[eternal ibex]

probably possible but harder, switching storage for tractor beam would be the easiest way i think
either a large reactor or multiple mediums/smalls required for power for sure

[eternal ibex]

very old thread but yea

[tribal ridge]

wait so oc small shealds are now just bigger?

[tranquil wedge]

Seems its time to update my dom ships with ss

[eternal ibex]

oc small shields look so comical

i think their projection distance needs to be shorter but it's funny rn

[tranquil wedge]

You think? I think this is nice cause it makes it harder to prevent phasing on smaller ships

[jaunty gyro]

Guessing the OC small shield graphic is placeholder?

[eternal ibex]

It's OP for getting more shields to overlap

Removes the LS placement restriction too

[tranquil wedge]

Dont you mean the arc length?

[near flax]

what does the FE overclock do?

[tranquil wedge]

reduces recharge speed

[near flax]

gonna be fully honest, really dislike the new OCSS

[eternal ibex]

Well, both
I'm willing to bet you can fit an entire deck cannon module under the OC SS with room to spare

[near flax]

was more interesting before

now its just kinda a poor persons LS

[tranquil wedge]

What If the health just got signifcantly reduced? I think this could be interesting. Just probably not balanced rn

[near flax]

i think it should just be reverted

[charred lantern]

So true. Double the distance just for that

[tranquil wedge]

on big oc ss this is just a huge buff

[charred lantern]

Make it project really far away

[eternal ibex]

Does it still have the amount of hp of old oc ss?

[near flax]

and cause of the gap you can place it deep into the ship which i dislike

[tranquil wedge]

it can be placed behind parts

[tranquil wedge]

I didnt see anything else in the patchnotes about it so i assume so? Kinda crazy

[eternal ibex]

If true that's just game breaking LMAO

[tranquil wedge]

time to make a oc ss spam ship

[eternal ibex]

I thought it may have had the normal ss hp

[tranquil wedge]

THAT MIGHT BE BALANCED

ups caps

[eternal ibex]

if you make it op enough it might just be balanced

[coarse spindle]

Ok so

Fire extinguisher changes:

• Reduce the ability cooldown to 5 seconds
• Reduce the capacity of a single use by 66% (to account for the reduction in the cooldown)

This will allow more crew to use the fire extinguisher at once, helping contain fires quicker, while also promoting closer placement to fire hazard areas, so that the crew refuel quickly and can go back.

Fire hose:

• Not actually required but I'd like to see them
• Main gimmick is that it can only travel a set range from the part, using crew travel distances (Not a radius distance, so that corners actually matter). This could be around 5-10 m, not sure tho
• Has a much bigger ability cooldown, but also a much bigger capacity
• Extinguishes fires in a 3x3 area (being fastest in the middle)
• Only one crew can use it at once, and the ability cooldown triggers when it is returned, not picked up
• Should probably be 2x1 or 2x2

For more dedicated fire extinguishing, needs more placement thought, but the reward is very effective and crew efficient extinguishing.

Might crosspost this to #1019739575683399840

[near flax]

i also think the SC change is wrong

[tranquil wedge]

ok no sorry. All the old changes got removed and now we jsut ahve the new ones

[eternal ibex]

okay good i was worried that shit had 45k hp lmfao

[tranquil wedge]

how so?

[near flax]

too much heat

[tranquil wedge]

sc was pretty op

[grizzled sentinel]

Yeah

[tranquil wedge]

and might still be

so I disagree there

[eternal ibex]

small cannons

[tranquil wedge]

they are also a menace in dom

[near flax]

yeah i think it should be at the 250 mark

[tranquil wedge]

thats not enough

I like the current number

[near flax]

alr

[tranquil wedge]

*I dont think it is

[near flax]

the small shields just kinda look stupid too tbh

[vague aurora]

Wait, considering sun applies heat now, do shields even work, is sundivingh broken?

[vague aurora]

S H T R E T C H

[near flax]

hey if i get a crash log what part of it am i looking to copy?

[narrow owl]

not broken, reworked

it's time for armor sundivers !

[paper hemlock]

I mean a lot of surface area technically does this as it will get hit way more often now

[near flax]

nvm just posted the whole file

[tranquil wedge]

And you know where else that damage would have gone with a smaller arc?

[paper hemlock]

no

[near flax]

the OC deck cannon nerf is also heading in the wrong direction imo
the main problem is their shot speed, not their damage

[tranquil wedge]

Its not like shields dont take heat damage. But they are bugged rn

[grizzled sentinel]

Their shot speed is their gimmick why tf you would nerf that

[coarse spindle]

I think turning OCDC into a long range artillery battery would be nice, esp for broadsiders

[tranquil wedge]

Yea shot speed is kinda their thing now

[near flax]

cause i think its a problem that messes with the balance of the game, making them much stronger against interceptors
imo 12k damage per shot, 300 m/s shot speed

[mild gazelle]

Well the fire extinguisher space makes fire extinguishers

So it would make sense that making them faster uses more heat

[rigid temple]

FEs do regenerate fire extinguishers, true. But the part always seemed like a holder more than a fire extinguisher factory. Particularly since FEs do not use power, ammo or resources to make fire extinguishers like other factory parts.

[mild gazelle]

Hm maybe it's thematically wrong but it still is very cool

[stuck roost]

Made a ship as quickly as I could

Old and new designs are welcomed!

Hosting for a bit

[tepid charm]

wait, are the pumps also functionally heat dissipators too?

[lusty zealot]

that's a WIP texture issue

[bitter steppe]

Such positive and constructive feedback

[near flax]

all the other changes i like and dont really have complaints about

[eternal ibex]

I am disgusted by the oc rail buff

It was broken in this exact state and now shields are weaker

They're just going to be even more broken than before

[bitter steppe]

I believe there was supposed to be some extra heat added to them as well, but I'm not sure

[eternal ibex]

That doesn't even matter

[bitter steppe]

from my perspective, the rail change is a fix for the "broken" charge time of the last build where it was supposed to have a delay between being able to fire shots but instead turned into the cooldown didn't even start until after the shot had fired

[eternal ibex]

The DPS per surface area is broken

[fallow spade]

I'd love to have a setting for always showing the heat network in build mode. That way you could differentiate between overclocked and non-overclocked parts without having to grab a heat part first.

[eternal ibex]

The one scenario where I would accept the faster fire rate is if all of the accelerators required a pipe connection

[bitter steppe]

I haven't tested the current build yet so I'm not sure how the fire rate compares, but the last build cut their damage in half with the added delay

[eternal ibex]

With shields being nerfed that's literally fine

[zenith knoll]

shields getting nerfed? cabal of sol hates this

[lusty zealot]

i mean, starting the cooldown after the shot is fired seems to make sense to me

from an intuitive perspective

[tranquil wedge]

I love ss spam

[eternal ibex]

the extra arc literally makes them look like modded parts

[hard orbit]

Needs to be a 360 degree bubble shields to really be like a modded part. 😆

[frigid flax]

WHAT

What have they done to my small shield

[bitter steppe]

DIAGONALS THO

[frigid flax]

huh didnt realize flak shrapnel fields carry your momentum

[paper hemlock]

Close enough, welcome back Bubble Shield

[vague aurora]

No way is that real? DIAG SMALL SHIELDSS

[eternal ibex]

large shields produce 0 heat when they are taken out in 1 shot

[near flax]

honestly i would be down to see a double height aimable medium shield

but i dont think thats in the scope of this update

[eternal ibex]

for some reason, infinite capacitor loops seem to slowly lose power over time due to the new recharge time on capacitors

secondary glitch: if an OC capacitor has less than 3 power, any crew attempting to pick up the remaining batteries get stuck infinitely

[eternal ibex]

seems like the culprit is trying to turn off a capacitor while it's charging a battery

also, capacitors can still receive and supply power while burned down

[pure salmon]

are there notes for this recent change?

[eternal ibex]

i broke capacitors again

apparently when they are burned down (and still working perfectly fine), OC capacitors no longer generate any heat

[eternal ibex]

see pinned messages

#1370799036591898837 message

link if you can't see it

[plucky fossil]

tactical self fires \👍

[quasi meteor]

I am happy to report that the overclocked fire extinguishers make it so extremely large fires WILL be successfully handled by ALL the crew

every man woman and dog has been conscripted for the fire

[next urchin]

It's just experimental. If the new OC is good, the graphics will be updated ofc

[quasi meteor]

THEY BEAT THE FIRE

I love overclocked extinguishers

[next urchin]

Crew body heat from the extra exertion 😶

[grim gyro]

NOOOO ALL OF MY SHIPS ARE BROKEN AGAIN

Much needed nerfs though

Poor architects having to rebuild all the new faction ships again

[ivory temple]

Anyone else finding that their ships aren't refunding properly?

I started with the inbuilt shield starter twice, but can't move the reactor due to insufficient uranium (it only refunds 7).

New behaviour with todays patch. Could someone else give it a go starting a new game and check whether It's just me and I need to revalidate or if I ned to make a bug report?

[granite sapphire]

does anything here require rebuilds? they might perform worse but thats the point right

[grim gyro]

yeah they all burn down

thrust

[granite sapphire]

ah, ig they dont run much spare cooling

[granite sapphire]

what economic difficulty are you running?

[grim gyro]

i swear oc tb used to generate like half the heat they are rn

[ivory temple]

Top one. it's probably relevant. I'll try it without it. It never used to do this

[granite sapphire]

i doubt it is, but its information nonetheless

reduced refund is generally a mechanic for captured parts but its steeper than -1 uranium for an sr so thats a bit strange

[ivory temple]

It does it on a fresh game for builder economic difficulty too

[grim gyro]

a tragedy 😔

[grim gyro]

walt could you please not nerf thrust so hard 👉👈

[cunning swift]

ooh I like how capacitors batteries are now actually dividided into 3

[granite sapphire]

yea the nerfs seem overkill

[granite sapphire]

always were

👽

[cunning swift]

oh really dang

[frigid gull]

yeah lol at least to thrust

[granite sapphire]

oc cap nerf also seems overkill

they were only op bc of ocls being op

and their synergy

they allow a lot of rly fun logi so i hope theyre not bad now

[cunning swift]

would be cool if you could also see reactor batteries go down segment by segment as crew pick them up

[grim gyro]

9/11 for pvp players

[granite sapphire]

i think oc caps are still rly strong tho

so thats good

[frigid gull]

yo

[granite sapphire]

that graphic needs some work

rly funny tho

theyre literally pocket ls

[cunning swift]

also for things like small thrusters it would be good if you could see how much is left of the single battery

[grim gyro]

kms

wah

[granite sapphire]

i be praying to the gods above that they somehow dont run out ever on their 2/3 uptime

[granite sapphire]

looks p good tbh

auto spreading much harder to kill with concentrated dps

[frigid gull]

crashed lol

if you add a radiator in front a 1x3 wedge it crashers

[grim gyro]

i really hope walt doesnt keep the thrust heat gen so high

[delicate moss]

man.. I get why oc small shield was too powerful, but I'm gonna miss it

new oc shield gen is gonna take gettig used to

[granite sapphire]

i think it was changed bc it was weak?

idk

the changes should definitely be a net buff

[delicate moss]

felt the opposite to me, they would make great "fortress shields" since they'd focus on a tight area

ig the arc getting bigger ia a buff though

[granite sapphire]

yeah

its almost a straight buff. there are small benefits to a tighter arc but its almost always just better to have the arc larger in a vacuum

especially on smaller ships that rly struggled to use oc ss bc its coverage was so bad it cant rly cover the front of a ship at all without having a stupid amount of them

[mild gazelle]

it seems like oc rails aren't working quite right with oc ss

the rails should have went through three more sheilds, but they didn't

[granite sapphire]

isnt this just the shields under armor intrraction

with the outer shield being hit bc of it peeking out of the armor

lowkey a p big issue with oc rails it seems its the first weapon that significantly pierces a large amount of armor with a single shot

but i think its always acted that way

where shields dont work until the armor theyre under breaks

[tame comet]

the graphic is pretty bad but i love how fucking strethced it is

[mild gazelle]

hmm

this doesn't seem like it's how it hsould work

[granite sapphire]

it is, though. i think its always been this way

may be wrong

but its never mattered

until now

[mild gazelle]

huh

[hard orbit]

ya shields inside parts can be by passed by penetrating shots. Try putting structure where the shield arc is and try again.

[mild gazelle]

the issue is that I'd need to have strure everywhere to be able to use the sheild overlap

maybe lightented armor works better?

[granite sapphire]

with the radius you can probably afford to thin it out to where the shields past the armor

[next urchin]

Wish granted because he didn't - I did

[grim gyro]

AAAAAA

[granite sapphire]

@mild gazelle what do u not understand?

[grim gyro]

celeste could you please not nerf thrust so hard 👉👈

[mild gazelle]

where do I thin it out

they go past the armor everywhere

[granite sapphire]

wait whaaa

screenshot?

[granite sapphire]

they look, behind the armor to me

no like screenshot in game

bc the shields look to be inside the armor rn

just make ur front armor thinner by like 2 layers so the shields are out the front

[mild gazelle]

that doesn't make all of the sheilds overlap though

thinning out by two layers only covers 5 sheilds at once

[granite sapphire]

better than nothing idk

still not ideal yea

[mild gazelle]

full would be 11 sheild overlap

[granite sapphire]

you can probably have reasonably thick armor with an 8/9 overlap due to geometry

but its a bit werid yea

[mild gazelle]

I have so much budget thoooo

[granite sapphire]

i mean if oc ss is fr good it should be fine enough with how much shields u have

[granite sapphire]

rip

[mild gazelle]

it is great against everything but oc rails

[granite sapphire]

how does oc ss alone with no armor fare vs oc rails?

[mild gazelle]

idk I don't have an oc rail to test with

I'll have to try

make one

not much better

[granite sapphire]

rip

[mild gazelle]

having them completely seperate barely stops it

[torpid harbor]

With a lot of OC weapons generating heat, would this necessitate all career endgame builds to incorporate thermal infrastructure (pipes etc) if they wish to fight the new faction?

or traverse territories of the new faction, and/or survive random pirate encounters

[granite sapphire]

literally ls behavior

[mild gazelle]

if you want to have an oc ship

if not, idk why you would need the infastructure

[next urchin]

You can always just build a bigger ship, which is what most people in career already do anyway

[torpid harbor]

yeah but those non-oc ships run the risk of melting down more easily when they face oc ships

[bleak sonnet]

OC features will definitely be optional, it is just a matter of balancing/how it is implemented

otherwise all built in ships will need a complete rework which I dont think is feasible.

[quasi jewel]

How do you think of new small shield？I don't like them tbh....

For me, in the vast majority of situations where it is needed, I tend to use the big shield

However, the effect of the original oc small shield is very important for many ships I think

If any modification is really necessary, I would prefer that the large shield has a wider shield face and the small shield has better defense

[bitter steppe]

The wider arc and being able to be placed internally makes them good for diagonals, but their strength may need to be adjusted

[quasi jewel]

Well I agree with this

[bitter steppe]

large shield already has a 180° shield arc, how would you make it any wider? lol

[quasi jewel]

Many ways

For example, a shield in a straight line,This can also prompt everyone to mixed use overclock and normal shields

And perhaps we can add medium shields to provide the effect of the current oc small shield

[grim gyro]

so uh how exactly does sun diving work now?

i assume it still has to be done with shields but those are bugged atm

[bitter steppe]

You'll have to use shields and be able to vent the heat, but yeah it's currrently bugged

[grim gyro]

peak

[granite sapphire]

i really like them in theory. its pretty cool that the identity of the small and large shields swap when overclocking and it solves one of the biggest flaws of small shields being their small coverage giving them poor defensive concentration. also small ships very much struggled to use small shields well before due to their very poor coverage

as for actual gameplay idk havent tested it too thoroughly yet i like how it looks on domination builds tho

lot more versatile

was hard to justify ocing small shields before due to coverage loss

[grim gyro]

???

[bitter steppe]

I know many people have commented on the graphic looking odd, but it's temporary while this new OC gets tested. The current VFX it has was made for the narrow arc OC, a new one will likely be made for the wider arc if it's planned to stay the new OC

[bitter steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

that's right, you're starting to see the possibilities

you can also do stuff like this

[grim gyro]

but why heat go through??

guh

[bitter steppe]

oh are you testing it in the sun zone? idk there's weird stuff with the heat from suns and shields right now

[grim gyro]

lmao

[bitter steppe]

diagonals living their best shielded lives
||to make up for that lack of thrust ||

[vague gulch]

personally I don't really like the new oc ss either, if they want to keep the new shield bubble maybe make a new shield, medium shield/heat shield, no overclock option, base shield generates heat like the oc one.

[quasi jewel]

Agree

I feel like in many situations, OC Small Shields are practically a debuff. Their projector arrays are too far from the small shield itself– on smaller vessels they can't coordinate well with armor layers, while on capital ships they get entire defensive facades blown off instantly by AOE damage (Like nukes). What I desperately need is compact-coverage, high-intensity defense.(And it's even more expensive!)

As for the places where it is really needed. Just as I said, in most cases I prefer to use the large shield

But I agree that the wider arc and being able to be placed internally makes them good for diagonals,

[next urchin]

Why would non OC ships melt? There's no source of heat

[torpid harbor]

TRL’s, TCM, other OC weapons applying direct heat debuff to shields and stuffs

some newbies may encounter thermal stuff fairly late into the game

ruuuude awakening for them probably

[granite sapphire]

no other weapons apply direct heat

[next urchin]

TRL and TCM are not OC, they're just heat weapons, ofc they melt other ships otherwise they'd be useless.

There are no other weapons that apply heat

[torpid harbor]

oh whoops

my bad

I probably would need to test some more too

but yeah not needing to overhaul infrastructure just to journey into another faction territory, that’d definitely be nice; personally I’ll be OCing some or a lot of things in career, but yeah I can foresee a small pocket of players playing through the entire campaign without OCing something

[next urchin]

Heat exchangers are not required to defeat ships with heat based weapons. Just kill the ship before it kills you, same as always

Going into a fight against a ship with lots of EMP without any armour is going to make it harder, but that doesn't mean you have to build armour to win that fight

[muted junco]

Does anyone know if the built-in factions will have the meltdown update integrated?

[tranquil wedge]

there will be a new faction based on heat and the existing ones will also get small adjustments

[muted junco]

Thanks :)

I’ll prepare and track it

[eternal ibex]

Why do medium hyperdrives use a processor now? It just feels so unnecessary

They had the advantage over large hyperdrives of only using hypercoils before, why take that away?

[tame comet]

they always have..?

[eternal ibex]

no?

[tame comet]

i swear they have

gimme a sec

[eternal ibex]

pretty sure processor costs were exclusive to large hyperdrives before

[eternal ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[tame comet]

vast quantity of intelligence

[eternal ibex]

i'm definitely just slow

mandella effect

[tame comet]

don't worry i am too

[eager gyro]

It's the side specs into other processing

[quasi jewel]

Why are there no oc diamond factories?

[tame comet]

what does ocing factories even do again

[tranquil wedge]

Diamond factories instantly use all carbon to create one diamond. So the default of just increasing production speed doesnt make sense

[quasi jewel]

Oh Yes

[quasi jewel]

For standard factories: Increases production speed For ammunition factories: Also amplifies output yield

[hollow gull]

I really like the new small shield OC

it feels very fun to build with

[tame comet]

gotcha. yea what plaus said

[near flax]

huh

[grim gyro]

pipes don't connect to non oc parts anymore

[near flax]

ooooooh

oops

[jaunty gyro]

I think it would be good for the final Meltdown Update to have a specific sprite that communicates "this pipe could connect to this part, but it is currently closed because the part is not overclocked" rather than the pipes magically snapping or unsnapping. It would help visually show which parts are capable of being connected to the heat system and which aren't with just a glance.

[lusty gulch]

like having a "greyed out" connector symbol?

[jaunty gyro]

Maybe not a symbol but in the design of the pipe part itself. Like maybe the pipe and the module both extend a few pixels of pipe towards each other (to show that a connection is possible) but maybe each side has like a cap on the end of the pipe to show they can connect but aren't.

Again to better differentiate them from a pipe that is just minding it's own business because no connection is possible with the tiles next to it.

[quasi meteor]

big fan of whatever is going on here

[lusty zealot]

it turns out that passive heat rejection is enough to keep wreckage alive close to the edge of the sun's danger zone

[twilit matrix]

Neat.

[stuck roost]

Does it means it's easier to go by the sun now ?

[lusty zealot]

if you're using shields, yes as the sun doesn't affect them at all yet

[split nexus]

uh is it me or are mining lasers horrible against shield ?

[grim gyro]

not just you

i played overclocked mining lasers a lot in pvp pre nerf and even then they struggled a lot against shields

[tranquil wedge]

yea youre right I feel like that nerf went in the wrong direction. Ill bring it up