Meltdown Update Preview

[narrow owl]

the gimmick of ocIONs is pretty darn strong

[bitter steppe]

have you tried them since the last update that fixed the bug that was making them deal 2x damage?

[narrow owl]

I'm not an ion guy, didn't even know they were bugged tbh only watched the tournament highlight

Still the ion gimmick is worth it not because of the damage but because it prevents overkill

imo

[tame comet]

they make it great at aoe but total garbage at dealing with armor which is what unoc ions are great at

[narrow owl]

I'm the kind of guy that's basically trying to fight OC without OC currently

The number one most valuable OC in my opinion is capacitor

[jaunty gyro]

OC Capacitor my best friend and lover

[tame comet]

oc caps are disgustingly good but i still think they're fine

[bitter steppe]

OC Capacitor is the Large Reactor we have at home.

[delicate moss]

Yeah I kinda like that caps don't require command points, it helps encourage alpha strike builds which are fun imo

[narrow owl]

They're not. Trust me. I got shield setups tanking way above their rating just because I slammed 2 OC caps between the reactor and the shields. instant pick up is no joke but I don't want that part to be nerfed.

Tbh, I have no idea how occap should be nerfed.

48 power and size 2 batteries would still be great but unremarkable, and less valuable in career, though they would work better with small reactors and shields as they don't waste a 3 size battery for a .5 energy need in the shield.

maybe they shouldn't be nerfed tbh

since rads are so expensive

[jaunty gyro]

One downside to them is that they can strain reactors when crew tries to fill them quickly

[dark lily]

I don't think that they should be nerfed because they technically do nothing. It's not realistically possible to assess their strength and deam it too high, because they only work with things in tandem

It's not dissimilar to PD where it's really good at it's job, but when it's not relevant is a waste of credits

[tame comet]

oc caps are fine since they're an intermediary if you can keep them refilled and caps do the exact same thing

its just a stronger cap which costs 10k and 5 command points

[dark lily]

Exactly, you have to consider things with the perspective of the attached heating costs

[narrow owl]

What if we just made the pick-up 0.5s (medium reactor like)

It's a nerf and also a slight buff, it will consume marginally less power, but also make breaking shields using them easier

[dark lily]

I don't agree a change is necessary at all personally. I've not seen any evidence that suggests the contrary either

[narrow owl]

it's not necessary but you have to agree it's crazy strong

[tame comet]

its really strong if you use it as an intermediary power souce and not an alpha, and strong if you use it as an alpha, but i don't think it needs a nerf

[narrow owl]

I feel the interaction with shields is a bit cheesy strong. pick up time is what I feel always kept shields in check from being unbreakable.

[tame comet]

expensive and is a patchup for botched or tricky logisitcs for the former and unsustainable for the latter

my pvp ship uses oc caps because it takes too long for the lr to reach the ions. it has 100% uptime. i could totally cut the caps and rebuild it because i do not need it

this isnt a oc cap thing in particular either

my gfs ship uses regular caps because lr takes too long. went from 40% uptime to 98% with just two caps near the guns. caps can be decent for tricky logistics and they do not need a nerf

[narrow owl]

I need to eat a capstick brb :3

[paper hemlock]

Do you mind if I send some of the ones you’ve sent in the Tidepool? So people don’t have to scrounge around

[last breach]

wtf you somehow have a girlfriend who likes this game????

[dark lily]

Those are bait so people come to the Tidepool 😛

[narrow owl]

Just search messages posted by saris containing pictures

[jaunty gyro]

pls nerf

[dark lily]

As Markty said, there's a few I've posted on the main server. One even got ship of the day!

[narrow owl]

nah girlfriend is balanced. nerf boyfriends

[dark lily]

But that's beside the point of this thread

[narrow owl]

the fuck is the tidepool

[narrow owl]

oh oki

100 servers

[last breach]

stop attacking me

[narrow owl]

you don't want to know cirno

how many times

I had to beat you

I haven't even passed sakuya yet

[narrow owl]

-# skill issue for the only fairy who can't take a life from me

-# yes I still die to midstage fairies

[last breach]

Some midstage fairies are just unfair

wait if oc thermal radiators are getting more command point usage, then what happens if you overlock cockpits

[pale python]

you dont

anyway offtopic elsewhere plz

[last breach]

[dark lily]

Yet, anyway

[twilit matrix]

I assume it's this one: #ship-of-the-day message
Very nice ship!

I bet it looks even better with the heat pipes glowing.

[next urchin]

How is 8*2 CP cheaper than 4*2+5

Unless DiffEqs have fried my brain, that's 3 less CP for the OC set

[twilit matrix]

8 * 2 = 16 and (4 * 2) + 5 = 13, I think.

[granite sapphire]

it doesnt prevent overkill

the value of the gimmick is no falloff and the autoaim

and the chaining is rly good vs shields

[lusty zealot]

i think the chaining does help alleviate overkill though

it's not just hitting 1 block at a time max

[prisma halo]

bug report

When firing at railgun launcher, beam does no damage to actual railgun, but heat can transfer to surrounding blocks.

wait no? it does damage?

im so confused.

[next urchin]

The TRL?

the TRL does no damage in general

[prisma halo]

ok so it just appears railguns have much better heat capacity than other items.

added a few banks of uhhh

amplifiers

[paper hemlock]

That doesn’t even look like Cosmoteer anymore lol

[prisma halo]

:)

(this is impossible in vanilla without cheats, due to the crew command limit)

maximum heat appears to be a diamond insead of a circle?

idk

this seems weird.

[lusty zealot]

parts lose heat faster the closer they are to the surface, and the TRL works via propagation through tiles rather than aoe

[tame comet]

is that... runedelta........

[twilit matrix]

Delta isn't a rune, it's a Greek letter derived from Phoenician. Easy mistake to make, though - they're both ancient writing systems.

[dark lily]

Deltarune is the name of a popular videogame

[next urchin]

I am unreasonably upset that you described this as a diamond rather than a flame shape 😭

[cerulean hound]

it's OBVIOUSLY the top of a spade

[next urchin]

But yes, the TRL heat gets a bonus to distance in the direction it hit (maybe the inverse of the collision normal specifically, can't recall)

[twilit matrix]

I would agree.

[tame comet]

im being a dumb fuck and saying deltarune because it looks like lancer from deltarune, who uses the spade symbol

@pale python your taking too long...

[prisma halo]

tryna tile stuff rn, what do yall think?

[bitter steppe]

What is the Tidepool?

[granite sapphire]

i think the capacitors may be a bit redundant

[bitter steppe]

is that a green background i see? 👀 💚

[granite sapphire]

also your reacotors arent connected to the heat system. those pipes are cut off

[tame comet]

-# letting them figure it out is the funniest way

i had my ship explode because i forgot to pipe heat to it several times

[prisma halo]

I'm a little more certain that this is a bug. lol

[prisma halo]

what..?

oh

lol

[granite sapphire]

what is a bug?

dilators increase the visual width of the beam to correspond with how it increases the area of effect

[next urchin]

I think they're referring to the heat gen stat

[tame comet]

the 0/s heat generation

[granite sapphire]

oh

[next urchin]

Not a bug, just not implemented yet because it requires Part Networks, which don't run in BP mode yet

[granite sapphire]

yea idk seems like

[prisma halo]

SO

OVERCLOCK EXISTS

[prisma halo]

the heat generation doesn't exist.

[granite sapphire]

unfortunate

[lusty zealot]

that it does

[prisma halo]

so uh for some reason

we have really good uptime

but wer'e not getting rid of enough heat, apparently.

[lusty zealot]

those reactors aren't connected to the heat system

[granite sapphire]

well i mentioned your reactors arent connected

[prisma halo]

i see.

heat can't pass through reactors though? seems a bit silly.

[lusty zealot]

heat can only pass through heat parts

[granite sapphire]

heat cannot pass through non heat parts

[lusty zealot]

TRLs, TCM launchers, pipes, radiators, thermal batteries

[granite sapphire]

would have some very strange implications if heat can pass thru overclocked parts

[plucky fossil]

and pipe bridge

[lusty zealot]

that's counted under 'pipes'

[prisma halo]

i don't remember, what was walt's stance on collision damage?

[pale python]

not done yet

if it will be done

[lusty zealot]

probably not

iirc

[rigid temple]

To cast my vote, radiators getting CP may be an interesting choice. I’d like to see how it pans out, honestly. (We’ll see if the CP value needs to be adjusted or not)

This revision makes me feel quite a bit better that OC weapons aren’t going to completely overpower the meta.

[vague aurora]

Oo the radiator command point requirement is very interesting.
Could you please rebuff the tb hypercharge slightly? 200k was too much but 50k barely has an effect.

100k is fair for it.

[narrow owl]

no, that's -47 cp, if you consider that you could have bought a cockpit

[granite sapphire]

i must have forgotten some mathematical law

[next urchin]

Then it would be 8k cheaper what

[narrow owl]

I agree, you don't have to buy the weapons all over again, though you do have to pay for the cooling infrastructure. But for example my 180k ship lacks engine power and cp, I could overclock the engines, but I can only oc like two (standard with exchangers) of them, though I'd have to sacrifice 3 cp somewhere else. The only value I would get from ocing my engines is better reaction time and slightly increased top speed, for 10k credits, this is not worth it at all.

5cp might be cheap on bridges, they are not on cockpit.

[stuck roost]

Oh that's very intresting! Thank you for your testings!

[narrow owl]

And the weapons ? To pay for the cooling I would need to sacrifice 1/3rd of my weapons, to overclock half of whatever's remaining, and I wouldn't get twice as much value

[stuck roost]

That also explains the somewhat penetrration effect

[narrow owl]

What I'm saying is that ocing with 5cp rads feel unnecessary gatekept to non cockpit ships

[granite sapphire]

im so confused

even pegging the cost of cp to the cockpit's cp efficiency exclusively oc thrust is mathematically cp efficient im p sure

[stuck roost]

Why what why are you all good when radiators got a 25% price increase and now you're whinning on 5 control points?

[next urchin]

If you didn't want the extra thrust, then you wouldn't want more thrusters, OC or not.

1 radiator supports 3 and a bit standard thrusters. Standard thrusters get 300% thrust from OC. Standard thrusters are 2 CP + 1.5k credits each.
1 radiator + 3 standards = 14.5k, 11 CP, which is equivalent in thrust to
9 standards = 13.5k, 18 CP

1k more expensive for equivalent thrust, but that's ignoring:

• less mass
• less space
• the "and a bit" on the end of the 3

[lusty zealot]

also leaves you with 7 more command for other things

[stuck roost]

I'm curious as to why it recived this changes, what archetypes or ships type was aimed and what it actually affected but adding control rooms and removing a few parts should never cause any issues

[next urchin]

Admittedly also doesn't include pipe costs ^

[next urchin]

It was aimed at reducing the insane CP and crew effectiveness of OC, that's all

[stuck roost]

well that makes sense, I think the changes are justified!
Now I hope it did not nerfed too badly Anthraxx & Quiximo's broadsiders

[next urchin]

I was there to mourn with them

[crimson osprey]

Nah, drag rollback already did that

[next urchin]

😭

[narrow owl]

Ok let's say I want to overclock this ship (dropped project for my 180k tourney)

I want to overclock the weapons

I have more than enough cp. I want to overclock blasters for AOE

650*1.78 = 1157 so 1 rad for 2 blasters.

I have to sacrifice a bit more than 2 blasters to overclock 2 blasters. Is it worth it ? Arguably, yeah. AOE on 2 blasters means you're potentially shredding armor like no tomorrow. That works for heavy blasters, because their gimmick is strong.

Overclocking cannons here is also worth it. It's cheap, and battery compensates for the lack of proper cooling

Though

the 8k of oc guns isn't really as good a 8 non oc guns

But lads

There's no situation where you're winning using OCSB

Or OCSD

regular disruptor is just more cost effective

and for the price of the radiator you could just upgrade to heavy blasters

the gimmick isn't even worth it anymore

And for ships tight on cp

It's even worse

2 hb are 4 cp

If I'm already on cp cap, there's literally no point in ocing anything

[dark lily]

I believe several people were raising concerns with small blasters being broken when subjected to them in combat

[narrow blade]

well they have like 2.5x dps

[narrow owl]

The logistic hell is not worth it

Let the OCSB user have it

[prisma halo]

I mean, this gun is really big. Why would a small ship be able to handle it?

Man these items are gonna be really hard to balance.

Hmmm.

[narrow owl]

not talking about TRL

[prisma halo]

Oh, ok

[narrow owl]

5cp rads is a whole tenth of what a cockpit can handle

[prisma halo]

I guess the balance point should be where high efficiency setups are more powerful than simply adding more weapons, but it requires having a good design.

[prisma halo]

@cerulean prairie serious suggestion, make thermal batteries the ones with a high CP cost. Burst DPS is what matters more in this game anyways, so having a radiator on a compact ship isn't even neccessary, you could just use it after combat if thermal batteries require no CP

Or, for realism sake + balance, radiators take only 1 or 2 cp and thermal batteries take 5 or so.

(If you think about it, keeping the heat capacitors evenly filled would take some processing :)

[narrow owl]

Nah, batteries don't deserve the high cp cost. Competitive ships mainly use rads

Because the batteries just don't last long enough

they used to take on heat spikes

[prisma halo]

Competitive ships mainly use rads

For now-

[prisma halo]

Nerfed?

Ohhh ok

I get it

[narrow owl]

Also batteries are pretty damn bulky

they can significantly increase the ship's cost if you have to protect a ton of them

[prisma halo]

Weight?

[narrow owl]

Space

[prisma halo]

I'm asking abt weight

They should be pretty heavy I think

[narrow owl]

No they light

4 tons

same as corridors

[prisma halo]

Alr

[narrow owl]

it's really the space they take

[prisma halo]

Fair enough. One is a 2x3, two is a 5x2

Wait do both ports have to be connected?

[narrow owl]

No, both ports don't need to be connected

[prisma halo]

...I feel like that's gonna get abused lol

[narrow owl]

not really. Having chains of batteries isn't really strong. It's not useless, just not strong

They fill up fast

[prisma halo]

Good lord this is insanely difficult to balance.

I love doing this but man it's so complex.

[narrow owl]

every money you put in batteries is money not put in a radiator, at some point batteries just become unnecessary. Because the less rads you have, the more battery you need. So if you got a small 100 heat surplus, you use a battery, but if you have a 2000 surplus, then batteries are going to fill up too fast to be useful.

[granite sapphire]

you can afford 4 batteries for a single radiator. if you have a large surplus just spam more batteries so you can absorb it better

thermal batteries are very powerful

but yes, radiators should have the cp cost not batteries. precedent wise it doesnt make sense for a passive storage module to incur a cp cost and its fine balance wise to give radiators a cp cost

[narrow owl]

I'd be probably happy with 3 or 4 cp instead of 5

[granite sapphire]

5 cp is fine

overclock is very powerful and was too cp efficient imo especially for smaller ships

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone I hear you like meltdown previews, so have another meltdown preview!

Balance:

• Large Shield (Overclocked): Increased heat per damage (0.5→0.6)
• Reworked Chaingun Overclock:
  • Reduced max fire rate
  • 4 ‘projectiles’ per shot
• Tractor Beam (Overclocked):
  • Now only applies force to the target’s center of mass
  • Reduced beam ‘spread’ arc (20d→5d)
  • Increased Overload Pulse force (50KN→100KN)
• Disruptor (Overclocked):
  • Reduced penetration (50→10)
  • Can now penetrate parts
    • Ignores 5/7 (~71%) of Armor’s penetration resistance
• Engine Room (Overclocked):
  • Reduced heat inefficiency (+100%→+75%)
  • Increase power distribution efficiency (+25%→+40%)
• Large Cannon (Overclocked):
  • Reduced penetration (25→20)
  • Armor is now 150% as effective at blocking shrapnel penetration
• Railgun (Overclocked): Fire interval timer no longer progresses while the rail is charging up for a shot

[narrow blade]

im so happy

[minor valve]

when is the next postview

[narrow blade]

i love how this meltdown preview came LITERALLY RIGHT AFTER I TURNED ON MY COSMOTEER

[olive thistle]

nuh uh, i hate meltdown previews
i want to cry in a corner now
meltdown previews murdered my whole family

[bitter steppe]

Disruptors 🔥 🔥

[olive thistle]

ER changes will be nice

[eternal ibex]

POV:

[tacit peak]

holy shit now I HAVE to make a carrier with TB OC

[tame comet]

what the hell is that disruptor oc

[light stratus]

CG rework is great, previous on had issues, disruptor is odd i'll have to play it, ER buff is huge (dunno if it matters to my use)
Maybe increase the fire chance a little for OC LC since the pen is a lot worse?

[olive thistle]

lmao
i stopped playing 4 nozzle when rampdown came out

[tame comet]

in a good way ofc

[mortal musk]

Chaingun rework lets goooo

[olive thistle]

anyways, back on topic
im glad that ERs will be useable again

[mortal musk]

Wonder if its good

[narrow blade]

alright so im going to like

absolutely despise the new disruptors

and also love them or smth

[tame comet]

ers look fire now

[next urchin]

Maybe finally they have a use outside of killing shields? It'll be fun to see either way

[light stratus]

won't it like, pen through armour to hit components behind (reactors, shields?)

[eternal ibex]

oc lc was really OP, it does not need any compensatory buffs

[tame comet]

yes

[light stratus]

it was super OP at 10% fire with pen, but now its 3% fire basically no pen

[languid basin]

OC LC on its way to ignore two layers of armor and set all internal blocks on fire :

[light stratus]

the issues with it have been fixed

[tame comet]

you have clearly never seen the absolute cinema of stacking like 20 of them for "stop."

[narrow blade]

omg finally... i wont be able to light a ship on fire as mutually assured destruction

[next urchin]

OC LC should still shine when hitting lightly armoured areas

[tame comet]

you have power? N O .

[toxic junco]

What is the difference between small and big cannon (overclocked) ?

[narrow blade]

uhh small is 3 burst and big cannon is shrapnel ig

[languid basin]

Small becomes an autocannon

[tame comet]

small oc shoots a burst of 3 shells and big cannon shoots a shrapnel shot

[next urchin]

One of their past experimental OCs was essentially a shotgun and they actually did a significant amount of damage lol

[bitter steppe]

-# pew
pew

[light stratus]

SC OC has 3 fire burst, LC OC has shrapnel. Basically SC OC is just better SC, while LC OC is different LC

[toxic junco]

So that why poeple use small cannon

Ty

[eternal ibex]

well now they should be fixed
it should no longer be as rng whether they go through shields when their stats suggest they should be able to stop them

[tame comet]

this sounds amazing

the wall of disruptors was no longer a meme

[olive thistle]

OC disruptor sounds lit

[narrow blade]

piercing disruptor sounds fancy

[bitter steppe]

EMPruptor

[olive thistle]

being able to access shields behind armor seems cool

[narrow blade]

oh right... that

[tame comet]

im scared of watching it go through my armor and tickling my reactor till it explodes

[olive thistle]

lol

[narrow blade]

wouldnt it just drain the power

and deal like

2 damage per shot or smth

[tame comet]

unless the damage is still 0 then itd slowly tick it down by 200 per second

[narrow blade]

i managed to open mindustry like the genius i am

time to reenable the 5 mods that i have been using forever and they are still somehow not exploding

[tame comet]

also oc cg seems kinda funny

casual 4x damage

oh no i think its not actually 4x

reduced firerate i see i see

[fathom torrent]

I think that’ll be worth it cuz it was unbalanced in both directions

[tame comet]

i have a lot to say about chaingun itself but it seems super fun now

[fathom torrent]

Definitely

[tame comet]

does it still consume 1x ammo or is it 4x

[bitter steppe]

brrrrrrt

[narrow blade]

why would 0.25x ammo consumption ever go wrong

[tame comet]

if its 1x, then holy shit chaingun surface weapon viable

if its 4x, eh fair lol

[prisma halo]

speed is life

:)

oh, Anti. I noticed people these days are using a more simplified MRT setup. Is the old one you gave me outdated?

or is it just not widely used.

[eternal ibex]

i have no idea what setup i even gave you

[granite sapphire]

wow this seems huge

great balance stuff

shotgun cg!!!!

[tame comet]

also oc tb using center of mass seems really fun for pulling someone into a ram

[granite sapphire]

is the change just x4 projectiles x0.25 fire speed from old cg oc? i dont think thatll be rly helpful tbh

or is it a more complex change

[tame comet]

i dont think itd be an equal exchange

probably like 0.67x firerate

[next urchin]

Half fire speed

[granite sapphire]

well relative to the old chaingun overclock

[granite sapphire]

from base?

[next urchin]

Yes

[granite sapphire]

i dont think thatll be good at all

[languid basin]

No more inf speed cg?

[granite sapphire]

same issue as the previous oc

[narrow blade]

base 2x smh

[tame comet]

i think their intention is to make it more of a surface weapon?

[narrow blade]

doesnt affect spread at all apparently

so... just a more broken chaingun...

[granite sapphire]

so itll spend 4 bullets per shot (a full mag) but fire at half the rate of fire?

[bitter steppe]

has anyone logged in to test it yet? or just read the patch notes?

[next urchin]

Did I forget to put the spread stat in lol

[narrow blade]

4 projectiles per shot?

[granite sapphire]

it just spends its damage faster. so it seems the same issue as old chaingun overclock unless im misunderstanding

[narrow blade]

this is ALL YOUR FAULT

[granite sapphire]

i suppose ill test it tomorrow but if the damage efficiency/potential of the gun and its behavior are not changed i dont see how itll fix the issue with the chaingun oc

[pale python]

I love cosmoteers

[narrow blade]

this is 8 occgs

[tame comet]

oh yea thats not 4 merged together

[next urchin]

So pretty

[tame comet]

i get even more walls of bullets

[narrow blade]

jesus

it spends SO MUCH AMMO

[tame comet]

my favorite thing with old chainguns were the complete wall of bullets

[bitter steppe]

wouldn't want to be too optimistic until you log in to verify the effectiveness

[narrow blade]

ok so the spread seems to be like... really high

just that its not documented

[tame comet]

cosmoteer melee weapon real...

[next urchin]

At least it's obvious once you fire it 😇

[narrow blade]

it really isnt im just seeing half the bullets hit a wall

[bitter steppe]

big spread, but 4x bullets means faster ramp speed

[pale python]

Smh should use smart bullets

[tame comet]

fire

[bitter steppe]

oh yeah, disclaimer: they may not be compatible with traditional rammer barrels on account of the increased spread

[pale python]

The horror on the ships face after i spend 4k per minute firing chaingun shots that arc

[narrow blade]

120000 dollars to fire this gun for i forgot

[pale python]

It's past 2077 guys

[tame comet]

my career buddy watching as i eat 4x the ammo and leave behind half the salvage

[next urchin]

Chaingun but with a big brain

[pale python]

Braingun

[bitter steppe]

a-10?

[next urchin]

True

[bitter steppe]

gun that can fly

[prisma halo]

there was a mandela effect i think

[narrow blade]

balance boutta be so pissed

[granite sapphire]

by 1/2x rate of fire is the fire rate while its ramping up just divided by 2 across the board to the max rate?

[pale python]

Curving beams would go crazy

[prisma halo]

people thought it was 12 seconds but its like 10 or 8

[narrow blade]

i thought it was 10 seconds

[tame comet]

from looking at it the max firerate seems to be 10 instead of 30

could be wrong though

[pale python]

Chaingun? I barely knew her
-# [LAUGH TRACK]

[granite sapphire]

??

[narrow blade]

yeah

it takes four hundred thousand credits to fire this weapon for twelve seconds - heavy tf2

[prisma halo]

and theres another video that it references, it takes 120000 to fire a different gun for 10 seconds

[pale python]

I gotta figure out what new things you can do with bullets and hiteffects more in depth

[narrow blade]

what

[tame comet]

oh so its rampup time is halved, but i was wrong, its 5 instead of 30

[pale python]

I dont think you can have secondary width on bullets can you

[tame comet]

id still verify with your own eyes

[narrow blade]

so it just shoots like really innacurately

[pale python]

Oc ion Secondary width will be very useful for my bomb teleporters so they actually spawn a bit away from target instead of fixed distance back

[prisma halo]

it might have been the gun that can fire at 8 million rpm or whatever that stupid number was.

[plucky fossil]

so over

[granite sapphire]

jesus

[prisma halo]

it went from the second mode "zoop" to the fastest mode which was literally just like 16 barrels all firing at once with a "pop"

[pale python]

I kinda forgot how exactly the flak overclock works

[narrow blade]

8 cgs btw

[granite sapphire]

can u take a screenshot with the whole ship showing it firing on a concentrated area?

im curious how bad the spread is

[narrow blade]

uhh no it cannot fire on a concentrated area

[granite sapphire]

well just aim it at one spot

im getting that impression

[narrow blade]

half the bullets will get blocked by the copious amount of armor

especially these 2 chainguns

[plucky fossil]

mouse tb no longer optimal :(

[granite sapphire]

well, im not hopeful. will test tmr

[narrow blade]

@granite sapphire as you wish

cant believe were getting ptsd in cosmoteer before flamethrowers

[next urchin]

Nope - only needed it for ions

I think the Flak shrapnel cloud hit stuff is pretty interesting

[tame comet]

me in a vault trying to steal precious jewels

[granite sapphire]

flak oc is cool, its a shame we dont see it much in pvp. i think its pretty strong personally

ive seen it shut down oc rails and ocdc

[pale python]

One day when there's some way to spawn bullets without killing a projectile... i can dream

[narrow blade]

what if... hear me out... cg oc just fires all bullets in a big shesll

[eternal ibex]

So I already found a bit of an exploit with the OC chainguns

Since the rampup value is preserved between overclock/non-overclock, what you can do is ramp up for 5 seconds using the non-overclocked chaingun then turn on the overclock to achieve max shotgun ramp with way less mags than intended

[narrow blade]

micro is simply immaculate

[paper hemlock]

I'm confused about OC disruptor, I'm testing it and it doesn't seem to penetrate anything

[narrow blade]

ok so imo a gun should not be able to be oced WHEN it is firing

im capitalizing random stuff for no reason btw

[light stratus]

more time at max ramp but still the same damage right?

[paper hemlock]

Nevermind I forgot to OC it

[narrow blade]

good job man

[paper hemlock]

:I

I'm kind of mentally challenged

Oh that's really cool

[pale cargo]

when heavy radiator

[light stratus]

TCM:

[paper hemlock]

Why would you need a heavy radiator?

[granite sapphire]

as a chaingun main, the potential issues i see even before testing it are:

• no change in damage potential. chainguns are already very good at spending their damage in a burst, its kinda their whole thing. allowing them to spend this damage even faster wasnt a particularly strong benefit which is why oc chainguns failed in pvp before this patch
• increased spread. focus is a very important aspect of chaingun cores as it allows you to deal incredibly good damage at medium ranges outside of a ramlock as a chaingun rammer, melting through shields and even armor with good aim. high spread will make this impossible and relegate oc chainguns to only work in pretty much ramlocks
• obviously, generates heat and requires cooling, which are massive costs
  as a chaingun rammer main i simply cannot see how the upsides provided on the tin would justify all the downsides of using the oc.

i will test it tomorrow though. these are untested first impressions and i may be misunderstanding how the oc works

[narrow owl]

I like every one of those changes

[light stratus]

you are getting quadruple dps though

[eternal ibex]

chaingun rammers when they aren't the type of only chaingun ship

[granite sapphire]

double right?

half rof and 4 bullets per shot

[light stratus]

it's 4 ammo per shot

oh half rof

[pale cargo]

what if cooler block that uses hyperium

[light stratus]

hmm then yeah not that great

[granite sapphire]

did you even read my criticism? this would mean rammers ARE the only cg ship EVER

because the spread will be even worse

[light stratus]

if it was quad dps i'd say it's good

[narrow owl]

bro forgot dc shellshock

[paper hemlock]

Super Helldive Automatons

[tame comet]

isnt the base firerate 30 and the oc firerate 5 or am i not seeing it properly

[eternal ibex]

also the overclocked cg has a type on the rate of fire stat

[light stratus]

I was there... malevalon creek...

[narrow blade]

boarding boutta be crazy when the enemy pulls out bullet hell attack

[bitter steppe]

the potential issues i see even before testing it are

[narrow blade]

it is sending the enemy to heaven

[light stratus]

does remind me of OC SC fire

just a stream of bullets

[narrow blade]

no it isnt

oc sc... is not a straem of bullets... stop hallucinating...

[light stratus]

OC SC fires in 3 shot bursts, when you stack em it sure feels like a stream

that happens every 3.6 seconds

[narrow blade]

OMG

ITS USING LIKE 100 AMMO PER SECOND WTF

that is disgusting

why does it say "penetrates operational parts" on oc disruptor

[light stratus]

it won't penetrate uncrewed and/or unpowered rooms

[granite sapphire]

iirc it pierces any powered and operated (if applicable) rooms, removing a quantity of energy from them in the process

like an emp

[narrow blade]

does it just... stop at a single unpowered pd???

[light stratus]

probably

[narrow blade]

new pvp meta is probably going to be repulsive and abhorrent

[granite sapphire]

is it worse than nuke boxes going 220 m/s?

[narrow blade]

well uhh nuke boxes going at 160 m/s with unpowered pd in every single block

cuz why not

[eternal ibex]

nope

it just continues going

[narrow blade]

thisi s deeply misleading

OMFG WHY IS THE SHIP AI CHOOSING TO SHOOT AT A REACTOR BEHIND 2 SHIELDS AND 10 LAYERS OF ARMOR INSTEAD OF THE FUCKING CHAINGUN THAT IS ACTIVELY TEARING THE SHIP IN HALF

[eternal ibex]

xd

[narrow blade]

omfg what did i even open

banging my fist on the table from anger issues causes this mysterious blank square

[eternal ibex]

ah yes, the broken singleplayer chatbox

accessed by hitting enter in singleplayer

[narrow blade]

amazing

[granite sapphire]

ok what

crew dance

[eternal ibex]

for some inexplicable reason the oc chainguns are way better at maintaining ramp while in their shell than non oc

so if you reload them really fast the extra rampup left over from the last volley is extremely noticeable

[compact ibex]

That's a nice feature

[eternal ibex]

this was already possible with normal chainguns but it was less significant

[next urchin]

It's not broken

Probably shouldn't open when there are no messages in it though

[eternal ibex]

What messages even go in there?

[next urchin]

Favourite crew death logs

[eternal ibex]

Ah

[vague aurora]

YAYY THANKS WALT!

TB pulse is back!

[paper hemlock]

It can pierce through armor as well, haven't tested how deep tho, at least one

Whenever I tested it on a small ship the lightning went right through

Very good for crippling reactors

[tranquil cape]

very interesting disruptor change

[stuck roost]

Was drag changed in this preview?

[eternal ibex]

Looks like neither manip beams nor crew EVA speed got reverted in the half speed reversion - manip beams actually go so fast that they have issues overshooting their target resource tiles

Except for the overshooting, I would actually prefer if this was not fixed. It's just a nice qol change that doesn't really have significant implications for PvP balancing as far as I can tell. Maybe someone will break it somehow but idk, I feel like the benefits for career are worth that risk

[plucky fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-sayin-falling-gif-25685028

[lone crest]

omg its an antithesis haiii

[regal sand]

Results of my thinking & tests around Oc CG... this is bad.
-> Oc CG have more spread, so they got worse defense penetration/damage concentration potential
-> they start with a higher damage (same shooting speed but 4x more bullets) but normal CG end up with higher damage output once ramped up (20 bullets/s vs 30 shot/s) they have in theory more damage but it doesn't have gimmicks like Oc Ion, so the spread prevent to exploit it and much of it is lost against small ships and/or at medium-to-long range
As such, Oc CG are hard to justify, as normal CG get similar results with higher damage concentration, higher alpha damage and significantly lower cost.

At this point, just take CG with more mags

[eternal ibex]

OC chainguns do have higher damage output, the fire rate in the tooltip is typo'd
It's 15/s not 5

[regal sand]

Oh. In that case it's fine (corrected)

[grim gyro]

@next urchin do oc disruptors behave the same as when you streamed earlier?

[next urchin]

Uhh similar, but think you might've left before I finalised it

[regal sand]

As for the Radiator CP cost, you are already paying a significant price in weight, size, building limitations (holes in the armour, logistic) and credit/materials, so 5CP per radiator is too much in my opinion. 3CP would be probably be a better.
If the objective is to reduce accessibility in early career, maybe changing the radiator cost to have some tritanium in it would work? Reaching tritanium factories is much further in the tech tree than coils & hypercoils factories, and stations tend to not have much of it (let alone ship wrecks)

[tribal ridge]

some of my ships stoped working cus of the coommand points so ye thats a small problem

[paper hemlock]

I've been testing the OC Disruptors and I feel armor should be much more effective against it, it can penetrate 3 layers of armor while still hitting something.

[tribal ridge]

ok all my main prev ships are fixed

[next urchin]

If armour is effective against it, then it's entirely pointless because you'd be better off just shooting the exposed parts with an actual damaging weapon

[paper hemlock]

Hmm that's fair

I just feel 3 layers is a bit much

[stuck roost]

I do not think 3 layers as being too much

there's my two cents

[tribal ridge]

wait I just realized that OC CG are just CG with shotgun ammo

huh

cool

[woven aurora]

Wohoo octb pulse buff

[prisma halo]

Air... did TP nukes get patched?

[tribal ridge]

I dont think so? maybe nerfed

[paper hemlock]

Now that I've reflected on it I agree, I was mostly testing it on smaller ships so it pierced through the entire ship, I'd imagine on larger ships it'd be more manageable

[prisma halo]

With that buff? Potential penetration literally just doubled.

[tribal ridge]

I may miss read that but its maybe a nerf to the puls on ships but not nukes

[prisma halo]

Wdym? Nuke TP uses scrap and by using a 100kn pulse the distance could be way further especially since this tech relies on one-tick calcualations

[paper hemlock]

What is TP

[prisma halo]

i tp reactor inside of enemy ship.

[tribal ridge]

ye but you propobly cant rotate ships with it any more so thats a bumer (the nukes are stronger but not the anti shilps)

[prisma halo]

if you self-detonate at the right time, you can blow up a reactor under enemy armor.

[paper hemlock]

That's awful

[tribal ridge]

oh

[prisma halo]

nukes are way more cost effective. I just wanted to see if you could do it with a reactor.

nukes detonate automatically

so you don't have to time it

[paper hemlock]

Even then you shouldn't be able to teleport anything into an enemy ship

[prisma halo]

tfym? I did it

[tribal ridge]

ye but reactors can penetrate much deaper

man that sounded weard

[paper hemlock]

Shouldn't, That needs to be fixed

[prisma halo]

large reactor

small reactor

we're talking thousands of m/s here lol

the game can't update physics fast enough

that's why we call it a TP nuke

[tribal ridge]

ah

[prisma halo]

and now, instead of getting a few meters of penetration with a large reactor

we could actually set it off behind several layers of armor

[tribal ridge]

ye but try hiting the exact point you want on a ship

[prisma halo]

easy, I just need a ship that can handle the weight and tank enough shots to get close.

this isn't used at range

it's almost a melee weapon.

ALMOST

it can still do damage at range.

[tribal ridge]

ah

[prisma halo]

btw, that's a perfect reactor tp. it was teleported right in the middle of the enemy ship.

[tribal ridge]

oh

[tribal ridge]

so reactor tp is strong agains 1 big target and not swarmers

[prisma halo]

yeah lol

if you can afford it

it takes a lot of supporting material

and pausing the game

[tribal ridge]

ah

so the nuke version is the oposite?

[prisma halo]

no, the nuke version is just more cost efficient.

It takes a lot less to do some

reactor TP is just the maximum damage possible

[tribal ridge]

ah

I tough it was good at swarms bad at single targer

[prisma halo]

@eternal ibex if you want to go into more detailed

[prisma halo]

no lmao

nuke tp basically uses some scrap with nukes targeting it to launch it at relativistic speeds at a single target. the nukes will explode inside and behind the enemy armor.

[tribal ridge]

last time I saw it it shoted nuke like a shootgun

[prisma halo]

shootgun

anyways, send?

[tribal ridge]

sure

[torpid yoke]

is the reactor tp viable at all in pvp? because if not, and maybe this is a controversial opinion, but i think it is an unbelievably cool application of game physics and shouldn't be changed lol

[paper hemlock]

Stop being creative!!!

[prisma halo]

shouldn't be changed lol
I don't think it can be without breaking everything

[prisma halo]

only if they allow game pause.

wait no

ok so

this specific version here

It isn't the "best"

range is really bad

but it's highly consistent

meanwhile I had a different iteration that wasn't consistent

but range competes with laser blasters

it still requires you to detonate stuff while aiming your ship.

It would be VERY easily kited.

[torpid yoke]

yeah it really doesn't seem good at all outside of the extremely niche circumstances it shines in

[prisma halo]

it seems great if you can build a ship to support it.

It literally ignores armor.

[tribal ridge]

wait can tp be used as a small ship acelerator? (like a hyper jump but insted of teleportation its a cannon)

[prisma halo]

i don't think so. One Structure block goes to those speeds for a significant while. A small reactor barely goes a tenth of that distance. A large even less.

[tribal ridge]

oh

maybe shooting just the hyper beacon? (the thing you can hyper jump to)

[torpid yoke]

youd probably end up jumping straight into a star but it would probably work

[prisma halo]

not if you aim it? lol.

[prisma halo]

shoot a beacon, a cargo, and a bunk. the cargo could have enough mats to build a CR, reactor and airlock.

[tribal ridge]

ah

[prisma halo]

only problem is that the shot is "spent" and has to be rebuilt every time

[tribal ridge]

bdw do you got any ideas for a ship that can beat a oc dc ship and costs less than 300 000 and preferibly isnt a oc dc ship?

cus I made like 10 diffrind ships and they all die to the same 3 dc ships and/or are to expensive

[stuck roost]

ummm I might raise the concern of mine fields zomming at 500m/s thanks to overloading tractor beams generates a lot of lag

Thaty is not a problem until it crashes the game like that

[prisma halo]

DC shop?

[tribal ridge]

shop? I never sayad shop?

[prisma halo]

*ship

Deck cannon, got it

[tribal ridge]

ye

[prisma halo]

Ions probably. Outrange and kite.

Or railkite

Idk if missiles can do it

[tribal ridge]

huh let me test

ye kites are they way to got (I also tested and swarmers also work)

ye swarmers are much better than kites

[lusty zealot]

@next urchin is this correct

[pale python]

+-25% heat

[pale python]

[narrow owl]

any ways I can go back 1 version ?

[granite sapphire]

run overclocked large shields with good heat storage

primary weapon doesnt matter anything competent vs armor

[tribal ridge]

welp I tried but it doesnt help every time

well it works on low amount of dc but if there are more than 3 than its a problem

[granite sapphire]

make sure your response times to the shields are good and you have a LOT of storage. it should be a reliable counter. you will have to back off and disengage whenever your heat storages begin filling up

[tribal ridge]

most of the time the problem is that somehow the medium reactor provides to litle energy and cus of it it shuts down but I will do that

[granite sapphire]

overclock the reactor, or use an overclocked capacitor

or a large reactor if its within ur cost

[tribal ridge]

sure I will do it later

[next urchin]

No wtf

How did it end up like that 😭

[lusty zealot]

did you accidentally put 75% instead of 175% or smth

[next urchin]

It was 100% previously I think, I dropped it to 75%. Maybe I mixed up the semantics of the number lol. I'll check it on Monday

[next urchin]

Ships should not be clipping into eachother just because they're going quickly. In fact, we fixed that with TB recently so I have no clue how it's happening here again

[bitter steppe]

Funny and kinda sad thought that if all phasing were "fixed" it would break locking tech

[lusty zealot]

hopefully we can save that until docking exists

or hinges

[prisma halo]

outdated screenshot

want me to test/send my ship?

also, did you implement the distance-collider check to prevent it? that's the only way i know how but i also imagine it'd be laggy and resource intensive in this game.

[next urchin]

It's just continuous collision detection

[next urchin]

I believe locking is less about a failure to collide and more you putting the physics engine in a position where it can't figure out how to apply restitution to the colliders without causing them to clip

[prisma halo]

"Continuous" the game still has a tickrate though?

you can't detect more collisions than the tickrate

[next urchin]

Calculus

[prisma halo]

well i'm not a dev so i assume you fixed it, yippee :D

[granite sapphire]

so is locking dead?

[next urchin]

I don't think so, but I don't know enough about the tech to say for sure

[narrow owl]

time to bust out the old sm64 quartersteps (jk it's a horrible idea)

[next urchin]

This just fixed super high speed objects not properly detecting collisions

[bitter steppe]

Afaik it hasn't affected locking at all, which is achievable at a very specific speed

[prisma halo]

oh?

i usually do my "locking"? in build mode

via slopes and charges.

[paper hemlock]

I think your thinking of chaining

[prisma halo]

multiships ofc

and theyre prebuilt

it's only really valid for my two mega ships

[bitter steppe]

Ahh yeah, locking tech is different

[languid basin]

lmao

shield pass has been fucking revoked

and it STILL has pen

wonder how far i can push this

[granite sapphire]

thats rly cool

def better than the dot previously

[plucky fossil]

i thought eb would get lightning

give ion pierce or splash and eb lightning :thumbzup.

[tame comet]

do they deal damage?

or is it just emp

[languid basin]

it's like 100 per shot

[tame comet]

oooohhh hholy ill be rightr back

oh nvm they dnt

[regal sand]

Still work

[delicate moss]

god the game's music stuttering constantly when you do almost anything is the worst thing to listen to

I really hope it gets fixed at some point

[granite sapphire]

nice to see

[next urchin]

Stuttering?

[paper hemlock]

I’ve never had that happen

[weary sparrow]

greetings

do now heat pipes only carry a fixed amount of heat?

I am testing a OCd M.R.T system from my old preview ship but looks like that one of the nozzle always get overheated

I even put a direct pipe to get the heat out of it directly into the batteries/radiators but it do not seems to work

I mean, there is two heat exchangers to it and a pipe directly into it too

and the heat batteries still has enough space

[paper hemlock]

Try connecting more pipes

[weary sparrow]

do pipes now have a cap of how much heat they can transfer?

[paper hemlock]

I think

[pale python]

no

i think

[paper hemlock]

Good for you for thinking

[weary sparrow]

well, idk if it may be some clue but I just noticed that the heat exchangers who are close to the engines seems to not show the particles that they generally do when they are removing the heat of some piece

the engine just out of the blue starts to become overheated

[hollow gull]

I have never had any stuttering, how long has that been an issue?

[halcyon slate]

bluetooth headset?

[bitter steppe]

No. Your thermal system has a total system capacity, and if you generate more heat that you can dissipate without any available thermal capacity, the heat will overflow into the part that generates it

[weary sparrow]

welp, I have atm 4.185.000 of heat storage, and as we saw on the batteries those where at roughly 80% or 800k~ of heat storage

do that means that it may be a bug?

when the batteries reach 80% of its capacity the MRT engines treat as if the batteries where full

[hard orbit]

Heat will overflow if more heat is generated in one game tick than there is storage so maybe if you have a lot of other stuff that is not shown generating heat that could be happening.

[weary sparrow]

while the ship is on standby it has enough radiators to keep it cooled, in the test itself while there was other systems who was indeed overclocked, those systems always stay overclocked 24/7 while the ship stays at 0 heat so I do not believe that this is the cause

I mean, even if I shoot all of my 4 railguns it would generate like 5% of the heat batteries capacity

there still has 800k of heat capacity on the ship

[hard orbit]

Are the heat networks are connected? Are the thermal battery on the left connected to the thruster pipes on the right?

[weary sparrow]

Yup

The entire system is connected to the main heat system of the ship

In fact, the system itself manages to easily store the heat from the M.R.T, but once it reaches 80%~ one of the engines (at random) acts as if there was no place for the heat to go

[delicate moss]

no, I have a wired one. give me a moment

I'll screen record this happening

[delicate moss]

@next urchin @hollow gull
This is what I've been experiencing basically

it also happens when loading and selecting ships, though to a lesser degree

[hollow gull]

can you post your computer system specs?

[delicate moss]

yep:
-CPU: AMD Ryzen 5600x
-GPU: Zotac Nvidia RTX 3070Ti
-RAM: 32GB DDR4
-Hard drive: Samsung 860 EVO SSD

Cosmoteer is the only game of a couple I play (all are indie and 2d) that has audio stuttering. More demanding games don't have it

[hollow gull]

that's beyond me. godspeed, hope someone else has a better idea

[tribal ridge]

@narrow owl well I think Im done so where do I post it?

[narrow owl]

DMs

[tribal ridge]

ok

[narrow blade]

oc chainguns are suprisingly laggy for some reason. also

(one burst of 32 chainguns)

it lasted like 15 seconds

[vague dew]

ive started a meltdown campain

[narrow blade]

ok man

[eternal ibex]

woo i broke something again

apparently oc boost's infinite heat/power scaling can just be...reset by toggling the overclock off and on again - it lets you re-overclock during the cooldown so the downtime is basically nonexistent

(gif to show the difference it makes)

the same mechanic can also cause some really funky things with shields, the reset can allow you to micro the oc on/off and catch shots outside the oc arc

[lusty zealot]

huh

interesting

[eternal ibex]

i suggest that for boost turning off the overclock deactivates the boost

[frigid flax]

chainshotgun

[plucky fossil]

@crimson osprey does balance council get preview previews?

[granite sapphire]

yes they have the betatest branch that they use to test the previews

[tranquil wedge]

I think this would be less missable as a bug report or balance council post

[tranquil wedge]

Yea we got the cg and tb oc a bit earlier for example

[next urchin]

Huh never had that happen before and never heard anyone else mention it 🤔

I have no idea why it would do that

[next urchin]

They get access to things I want brief opinions on before going live with it. Only by like a couple days at most though, if at all

[coarse spindle]

iirc it happens to me as well but very rarely and briefly when I'm loading a save or doing other similar tasks

[vague dew]

TRL + OC LC is amazing

[light stratus]

i was kinda sad with the OC CG changes cause now TRL + OC CG isn't as great a combo (on my ship)
Even with the generous rifling, the OC CG spread still hits the sides of the rifle

[bitter steppe]

it's a bit unfortunate for pre-existing designs with narrow barrels, or chainguns mounted farther back in the barrel, but I'm really liking this current design I'm testing with 4 OCCGs and a TRL to debuff shields and armor

Chainguns are one of the highest DPS weapons in the game at max ramp speed, the OC ramps fast and does crazy damage to shields but doesn't cut through armor quite as well as non-OC with less spread

[granite sapphire]

im going to try out a forward mounted cg core

but i dont think purely ramming is a viable win condition any longer

so im not sure how a weapon with massive spread will function very well

[hollow gull]

on the other hand, this is the only OC that is incompatible with existing builds

the shotgun has little synergy with a weapon as delicate as a chaingun, especially when it has to be front mounted with no rifling

[bitter steppe]

probably something similar to this?

[hollow gull]

I really don't like that aspect

[granite sapphire]

no, forward pointing

[bitter steppe]

ahh i see

i'll be interested to see how it turrns out

[granite sapphire]

im thinking an aimable cg core

with the current bugged rampup thing allowing u to keep ramp rly well it should be nice

[bitter steppe]

i've been hoping to see some horizontal CGs other than alpha rammers

[granite sapphire]

i still dont think itll be good tho lol

in terms of actual meta viability

people lament cgs inflexibility but then they ignore all suggestions that would genuinely encourage different building styles

[hollow gull]

can you elaborate on what could be done to encourage more building styles?

[bitter steppe]

tbh I'd really like if they had another ammo feed on the center back

[granite sapphire]

cg oc: greater shell retraction, turret rotation speed encouraging forward mounted guns which are generally not that great due to their lack of compactness

cg in general: alternative firing modes to allow them to be somewhat more magazine agnostic; literally all their design currently encourages as high mag counts as feasible

[bitter steppe]

but idk how practical that is or likely to ever happen

[granite sapphire]

greater accuracy instead of less accuracy because increasing their spread only further relegates them to a ramming role

in fact cg rammers almost broke free of being exclusively rammers as we innovated highly focused cores that allowed chainguns to be effective at medium ranges creating a category of cg ships that were more orbiters than rammers

[hollow gull]

I feel like the concept of chainguns really hasn't shone through, the idea of a weapon with a protective shell, with a very good gun arc, that can aim and have increasing power with a longer mag

..but in practice it is so delicate that you have to hide it in fixed most of the time, especially because with a longer mag you invest so much budget that getting it destroyed ruins your chances

[granite sapphire]

but now thats bulldozed bc oc is even more "ram to win"

ive had multiple people mock me for my criticisms of the chaingun oc absolutely ignoring/missing the point that all the oc does is obviously further relegate it to exclusively ramming instead of literally anything else

[hollow gull]

I think that shotgun OC chaingun just forces them into a ramming role

I mean a really rigid ramming role

and one that's already packed with competition from every other cannon

[tame comet]

you got a lot to fix then... theres a lot wrong with horizontal cgs in general and its why they're almost always mounted vertically

[hollow gull]

adding heat pipes to chainguns doesn't even really affect their weaknesses?

[granite sapphire]

people can hope all they want xd

[hollow gull]

if your mags get shot then the chaingun is useless anyway

and the pipe has to run along the mags

[bitter steppe]

you could protect them with shields?

[tame comet]

oh no, i see your criticisms (from what ive seen) as totally valid, it doesr change how you use it still,its just mor damage with a bit more spread

[tame comet]

have fun loading them

with what space

[granite sapphire]

all we really need to do is actually implement my suggestion of the burst fire overclock where it gives the cg an alternative mode of fire where it fires tight bursts

instead of rampup

[light stratus]

like the SC OC in a way?

[tame comet]

this is why i suggested vertical mags on cgs so they could be mounted on the front easier and more justifably because rn they have zero space for efficient reloading. theres... a lot happening with the chaingun and it extends to the cg in general. outside of overclocking

[granite sapphire]

that would genuinely encourage other uses bc with the higher accuracy and burst damage you wouldnt require a ramlock to deal consistent focused damage

but theres a reason my suggestion for the shotgun/burst fire involved a far larger number of bullets per shots with slower volleys. with only 4 bullets per shot its not really a significant functional difference past it dealing more dps over more area

[bitter steppe]

#ask-walt message Here's what Walt previously said about bent mags, I don't think it's likely to change them even more by adding another ammo load point, but it might be worth asking?

[granite sapphire]

adding bending mags or a rear ammo port wont fix chainguns inherent design issues in their current state. it would make them a tad more convenient to build but not much else

also forward facing guns would probably become objectively better with a rear ammo port

[tame comet]

if this is referring to me. i do not want bent mags. bent mags ruin the balance of it. i mean you can either have it take horizontally or vertically. no bent mag bullshit. the shell is also a really odd choice and having the mags be able to come from underneath OR to the side (not and) would makethe shell more justifiable

ive had so many times where the shell provides no value outside of cosmetics

unless its like 95% or something (which is aids) then i dont see a world in which the cg shell provided any value

[bitter steppe]

Wasn't referring to you? Just a response having to do with changing the chaingun or magazines that I found by looking up the last suggestion that was posted about "mags"

[tame comet]

was just making sure. since i talked about mags and you also mentioned mags

[bitter steppe]

#1329893024599375925 message

[tame comet]

oh jesus yea bent mags are a nightmare

[bitter steppe]

where JarHead had posted a link to the AskWalt response

[hollow gull]

imagine if you could load chainguns while firing like OC boosters

[tame comet]

small nightmare

itd be funny but i dont think thatd change much

[bitter steppe]

would make shorter mags with an all or nothing barrage playstyle work better

[granite sapphire]

anyways my suggestion for making cg oc much better and more interesting remains the same. i recommend the burst scaling mechanic, with a burst fire that scales weakly with mag count. ideally the burst would have the same or even slightly more accuracg than non oc chainguns. the most important part that walt and balance council seems to have missed here: THE BURST NEEDS TO BE BIG! a spread of 4 shells is functionally negligible, not providing any meaningful burst damage and is almost exclusively a flavor feature. combined with the increased spread this is almost a downside mechanically.

[tame comet]

i was gonna say oc weapons should change how you approach a weapon and use ocdc as an example but ocdc is kind of almost objectively better in every way so maybe not that one

[bitter steppe]

effectively making shorter mags the same as longer mags, but you only get to fire once

[granite sapphire]

i dont think this is a good game design decision at face value

[bitter steppe]

that would be if you could reload while firing

[hollow gull]

why burst?

[granite sapphire]

burst fire would provide a method of concentrating damage output outside of a complete ramlock which would open up more playstyles for chainguns

[hollow gull]

what distinguishes burst fire chainguns from say, a deck cannon shot

[tame comet]

cgs rn are career holdm1 andys and pvp rammer

[granite sapphire]

what?

do you want. a list

[tame comet]

do you mean dc in general or ocdc specifically

[hollow gull]

no I mean that the draw of chainguns is that they are dps weapons, converting what is an automatic weapon into a burst of many smaller bullets

changes its role to something closer to a normal cannon

[bitter steppe]

it's not very likely that they will ever get more accurate considering they are a hitscan weapon and needs something to balance that out

[hollow gull]

in that it would deal say 10000 damage and then have downtime

[granite sapphire]

its not very likely that they will ever get the single most important attribute to allowing them to be more versatile and interesting?

[tame comet]

clearly you must give them penetration

[bitter steppe]

hitscan + long range + high RoF... yeah, nah

at that point they'd be lasers

[granite sapphire]

see, the concept here is that when youre burst firing you actually have a lower rate of fire because youre firing in bursts

[hollow gull]

how much damage would they do per burst, roughly? and how long is a burst

[tame comet]

they already are kinda bursty ions tbf

just wildly inaccurate

[granite sapphire]

the concept was roughly 12 shots per burst slightly increasing with magazine count

[hollow gull]

so that's 7200 damage per burst, but with no penetration

[granite sapphire]

at some point you have to actually choose a lane on whether you genuinely want chainguns to be viable outside of the niche theyve been designed to fill in any way

[bitter steppe]

shotguns

[hollow gull]

I just don't know about the shotguns

[vague aurora]

Lmao one of the two pirates attacking a station hailed me with surrender immediately after they came into view. The other one pounced upon me and almost destroyed the ship but I went no you fucking didn't and the shrapnel gun saved my life.

My ship is the peak of redundancy it turns out.

[vague dew]

your ship went "IM FUCKING [title card]"

[vague aurora]

Yeah, doom mode activated.

Hey am I the only one seeing stuttering here?

(Meltdown snapshot)

Never seen this bug before.

I hope it translates to the savedgame

Also, was this fully in-tact condor that I just stumbled upon supposed to send me a surrender?

It could easily kill me

[jaunty gyro]

I have noticed surrenders have been super common in my latest co-op playthrough with the preview build, but, I guess you tend to out-budget ships in career a lot

[vague aurora]

Yeah I think that is a big problem with the game, it's super easy to out-budget your enemies.

Even if your ships are inconcievably efficient you'll usually just win by sheer size overmight.

[near flax]

i think it would be better to be split the time the part spends going from OC to normal between both state changes
so if its 5 second to swap from OC to normal it would instead be 2.5 seconds either way.
this would allow more strategies in how you micro manage stuff and would open up some more depth

[coarse plaza]

I think this is generally a good thing.

if I look at the subreddit ships: most on there are super inefficient.

Add to that how the balancing of ships is very much a rock-paper-scissors system.

Most people in this discord (or even just the subreddit) are already more engaged with the game than an average player would be

[narrow owl]

I guess if it thinks he's outmatched, probably ?

[vague dew]

Man OCs are OP. that's a macerator BTW

[unkempt hazel]

Do you have to OC an entire railgun or does just one spot work? If so which

[tame comet]

i think you oc the launcher module or the base, basically anything that isnt the accelerators. im also fairly certain you dont have to pipe the whole railgun, just the base, but im also not sure of that. what i do know is that you only have to pipe one side of it (left or right)

im fairly certain its the launcher module and not the loader that you need to OC and it OC's the whole railgun

[unkempt hazel]

K, ty

Yeah it does, ty. Was trying to radiate the launcher and not the loader

Oh wait you said it backwards but still wroks! yay

[lusty zealot]

you just need to connect a pipe to one spot

any bit works

[jaunty gyro]

Accelerator(s) included?

[regal sand]

You can connect the rail to the pipes from any parts. Loader is the most used for obvious logistical reasons, but so long as any given module in your railgun is connected, the heat will be expelled from all of them

[narrow owl]

the... chaingun ship ?

It's very bad

I beat it with 2 heavy blasters by shooting the cg

not even oc

[lusty zealot]

yep

as i said, any bit works

[lusty zealot]

@unkempt hazel OC mining lasers have an area-of-effect damage system, they do their listed damage to any tile within their aoe

that's probably why you're seeing more damage than you may expect

[icy eagle]

everything still needs to be OC'd though, right?

[vague dew]

ah ok. but it can beat a howitzer by ramming and getting around the side

[lusty zealot]

OCing the launcher part toggles OC for the whole railgun

[narrow owl]

Yeah... that doesn't mean it's op

[vague dew]

fair. i should test it VS somthing with a simalar cost

with manual controol it defeats a nighthawk

same with tatia

cant kill Buzzard but good at hercina

[plucky fossil]

pretyy sure only the launcher is overclockable

[tulip lark]

I'm using the unstable beta but I don't see anything new? What am I doing wrong?

[plucky fossil]

see the pins

you need to input a code

this one in particular #1370799036591898837 message

[icy eagle]

ah

[narrow owl]

Name the new faction the Engineers or something like that, tinkering with experimental and dangerous tech

[plucky fossil]

firebug

[narrow owl]

"trust me, I'm an engineer"

Or the HotHeads if they're a smaller faction

[jaunty gyro]

If the Cabal accidentally blew up the sun, these guys would do it on purpose

[narrow owl]

yes ! exactly !

[regal wharf]

hold on hold on, Cabal didnt blow up anything, that was propaganda started by Monolith

[narrow owl]

"IF"

[granite sapphire]

is ts canon?

[regal wharf]

would I ever lie about something like that

[granite sapphire]

i would so

[tame comet]

i would not mind if this was a legitimate piece of lore

[coarse spindle]

Mono doesn't have time for that, that would be the imps

[lusty gulch]

how to change ship deefault attack angle again?

[vague dew]

its in the hamburger menu for the ship

[lusty gulch]

not savee it, how can i make the ship attacck broadside?

[vague dew]

oh that i thought you were talking about the flight diretion

just hit save attack defalts

[lusty gulch]

its a ship with more weapon on the side than frontal but the game keeps putting it as frontal attacking...

[vague dew]

hold right-click and you can change where the ship wants to go

[lusty gulch]

-.-

thats right click,,,.,.-,-.

[light stratus]

Right click on the side, then shift click the settings icon

[vague dew]

yeah and you can press R to rotate it after

[light stratus]

U can change rotation that way

And also R ofc

But I use the settings for it

[vague dew]

then save attack defalts

[opal parrot]

I'm having some difficulty understanding the purpose or interactions of some of the new parts (bad at building so takes some time to test).

Are radiators necessary if you have a thermal lance or thermal missiles?
how does the "free" PD work, where is the energy coming from?
how do you determine how many thermal batteries are necessary and when do you use them?
Does the heat exchanger have to cover the entirety of overclocked weapons/engines etc to prevent fires?
When to use heat exchanger or direct piping, or both together?

If anyone could answer the above questions or link anything relevant id appreciate it.

[light stratus]

Thermal Lance does not get rid of heat. Only TCM and radiator can get rid of heat

Thermal Lance has energy storage inbuilt

But other than that, no other heat mitigating affects (it does -100 heat but produces more than that)

Free PD work like small thrusters

You use as many thermal batteries are needed to take the instantaneous heat from the usage of OC parts, examples being shields, chainguns and DCs. They act as a buffer

Heat exchanger must cover the whole part

Use heat exchanger for low heat OC parts

Since it only takes 450 heat per exchanger and multiplies said heat

[opal parrot]

Awesome, thats really helpfull thank you

[lusty zealot]

-# technically the TRL does dissipate some heat, but it's a very small amount easily overtaken by its heat generation when firing

[lusty zealot]

900, since the reversion of halfspeed changes

[opal parrot]

Could you send some ship files my way so i could have a look at (more) optimal setups?

[light stratus]

"But other than that, no other heat mitigating affects (it does -100 heat but produces more than that)"

[lusty zealot]

in my defence i am occasionally stupid

[light stratus]

Look at #ship-of-the-day

[lusty zealot]

sotd isn't ship files

[light stratus]

Usually the ship files aren't there, but you can dig them up from #sotd-submissions

[vague dew]

why is it flickering?

[pale python]

it shows if theres even a tad bit of heat in the system

its contantly absorbing heat so

[vague dew]

ah so thats why

[eager gyro]

It's like a status light, if it's flickering it's fine but if it's not then that's not good

[vocal trout]

set a manual rotation angle

[grim gyro]

@vague aurora did you ever give Plaus that swarm paint for 'helping' you in the FFA tourney? I'm curious to see them

[bleak sonnet]

is non OC chaingun laser accurate now? is this a bug?

[granite sapphire]

really?

[vague aurora]

Meltdown Update Preview

[grim gyro]

oh whoops

[vague aurora]

But yes I did

[bleak sonnet]

possibly bugged chaingun accuracy in meltdown preview

[stuck roost]

what's the issue?

Chaingun hitting armour? ya sure it didn't before preview

[tame comet]

no it has no inaccuracy

its a laser pointer

it really is a bootleg ion

[bleak sonnet]

yeah that, issue is chaingun NOT hitting armour lol

[stuck roost]

my my I cannot make the difference between laser and lesser

i thought it was a misspell 😭

[regal plume]

It probably shouldn't, looks off
Heat should be radiated and only stored if there isn't enough radiator power

[vague dew]

yeah i agree. it makes it feel like theres too much heat in the system

[sharp root]

is there a possibility OC ER might be outputting 75% heat instead of 175% heat?
both thrusters were started up at the same time and are overclocked
it isn't exactly 75% heat outputted, but seems way less than intended either way

looking at the ingame stat, if you read +-25% heat as +(-25%) heat, it seems like it might be multiplying the heat it receives by a wrong stat lol

heat exchangers are just there so I could see the exact moment the thermal batteries maxed out, the reactors are not overclocked

[narrow owl]

Question : I'm trying to mod the chaingun, is ther an operational toggle for CanEmit/Non overclocked ?

[summer coral]

OC ER definitely reduce heat. This setup created the same thrust for the same duration at the same thrust / heat, and the ER side creates less heat.

[tame comet]

documented, aleady known

[stuck roost]

intresting! so i presume your now better with overclocking the engine rooms....?????

[vocal trout]

dont tell me this is an effect of half speed changes

[lusty zealot]

it is in fact not

celeste meant to change it so that OC ERs have 175% heat generation from attached thrust, but accidentally put in 75% instead

[stuck roost]

So it is not intended!

right thruster overclock left engine overclock same thrust same duration

[tame comet]

175% heat generation

still a lot

[bitter steppe]

but the tradeoff is being able to transfer heat through the negine room and you also gain power efficiency from OCER

[vocal trout]

even better lmao

[hollow gull]

what are the most funny, subtle ways to sabotage my friend's ship in creative?
I already tried rotating a heat pipe

[jaunty gyro]

remove doors to the fire extinguishers

[hollow gull]

now that's an idea

[bitter steppe]

removing doors or unassigning logistics

[twilit matrix]

Or alternatively, assigning logistics. How long will it take them to notice that their crew are getting power from the wrong reactor?

[sharp root]

change random tile assignments in storages

change a random weapon to hold fire

swap around crew priorities so crew behave strangely

remove FE or CR power crew priority

[hollow gull]

writing these down

[woven aurora]

Set random weapons to hold fire

Rotate a walkway

[frail anvil]

Almost 16k messages... wow

[jaunty gyro]

Maybe a needed change since fires have many more ways of starting and spreading... crew will just sit still and burn to death for no reason?

They might need like, a tiny bit of self preservation instinct

actually a bit comical I just lost over a hundred crew because they all ran into the same single tile of fire when they could've all walked around it in the very-not-on-fire hallway tiles next to it

the scream sound effect just played like over and over in a few seconds like a Youtube poop

[last breach]

willhem screamed of fire that day.

[regal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

Average Redshirt

[rough dock]

what if we could chain engine rooms with compounding energy efficiency. That would totally make sense.

[tame comet]

tbf rn stacking engine rooms does increase heat gain by a bit which can be decent for TCMs

[vague dew]

for some reason it decreses it

think its a bug

[tame comet]

oh oops

forgot about that

you're right

[regal sand]

It will once again after the... how many change will this make for the preview? 11? The 11th preview patch?

[eager gyro]

12th curintly

[split nexus]

@zenith knoll check out this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punching-angry-mad-gif-24670332

[zenith knoll]

i haven't seen any of this

this is hype

[lusty gulch]

uhm, u cant see stats of Parts but u can see the OC stats when not owning the blueprint for it @next urchin

[zenith knoll]

is there a list of new parts/mechanics? i'm looking but can't find any info

nvm found it

[tame comet]

does the flak buff change any important breakpoints?

(flak went from i think 2250 or 2500 to 3000 damage against projectiles)

[twilit matrix]

Random idea: make some thermal components require raw gold.

[jaunty gyro]

huh

[light stratus]

that is pure evil

[split nexus]

Evil at it's core

[twilit matrix]

Why evil?

Gold is a good thermal conductor.

[coarse spindle]

are crew supposed to operate burnt down parts? I do not think they should

just in case it's a bug and not just an overlooked thing here's the save

I burnt this ship down and then sent two crew to take it over and they went straight to the cockpit and laser

Also it would be nice if doors got a texture for when at least one of the rooms they connect is burnt down, they stand out quite a bit now

[vague aurora]

Heh, in a fierce dogfight against a sprocket, where it ran out of ammo and my final bullet managed to set it ablaze.

Gotta love how AI can't cope with the new fires as well.

[twilit matrix]

Why so?

[vague aurora]

Oh nooo

wHAT is this?

I was trying to go from one system to another.

And the game just died.