Meltdown Update Preview

[granite sapphire]

1.9 combat is objectively good lol

[narrow owl]

Why do you like the changes

[carmine heron]

it feels better

[lusty zealot]

i will say: the devs have read the feedback on the halfspeed changes, and are discussing things. i probably shouldn't say much more than that, but do know that the devs are listening

[narrow owl]

Then why the most popular server is still on 1.8

[granite sapphire]

faster paced, more strategic combat at 1x speed than 1/2x offered, not to mention a solid monothrust nerf

[granite sapphire]

because minecraft players are contrarians that dislike change

[carmine heron]

ppl like u

[narrow owl]

How is this faster paced than old 1x

[granite sapphire]

it isnt, that clearly isnt what i said

[narrow owl]

Don't get me wrong, I like the new pvp on minecraft, but it was incredibly unpopular and I don't believe people who say "it's just veteran bs"

[lusty zealot]

i've never really liked the changes, though opinions in the council were mostly positive. most of the testing was done in elim pvp, with probably not enough done in career to really get good testing done on it (anti did mention that earlier on in the public preview's release), which is something we'll keep in mind for future testing

and also talk about minecraft could probably go to #off-topic

[narrow owl]

Then just play old x1

[narrow owl]

trust this was relevant

[granite sapphire]

what?

[carmine heron]

just because it was unpopular doesnt mean it was bad

[granite sapphire]

are you being intentionally obtuse

[tame comet]

my personal take is: if the devs are really set on it, move it to another update.

this is probably the biggest update the game has ever seen as so many things changed its a lot to take in. i feel like if they were moved to another update for independent testing that itd go a lot better because as of right now its a bit of a mess with meltdown

[carmine heron]

I think it meshes fine with meltdown

[lusty zealot]

chill out please

[narrow owl]

If you want something faster paced, speed the game back up to x1 and embrace the struggle until you learn it.

[granite sapphire]

thats entirely different

i enjoy the increased top speed that new 1x offers

[lusty zealot]

attempt to explain your point and solve misunderstandings before suggesting that the other person is acting maliciously

[granite sapphire]

playing pvp on old 1x speed would be absolutely insane

[lusty zealot]

that would be a lot of work for the devs, to revert the changes now and then merge them back together later

[pale python]

yeah if nothing else, speed and eva changes would be cool at old speed

[tame comet]

it would, this is a very tough situation for everyone

[narrow owl]

And I do not enjoy that now everything is twice as slow to do except top speed unless I'm willing to play on what 1/2x speed players would have experienced as 4x speed

[lusty zealot]

i did actually suggest that during balance council testing, and the counterpoints to it from the devs did sway me to the opinion of 'this ain't a good idea really'

[narrow owl]

It would be even more work to push the speed changes through and then try to make the game fun again for everyone

[carmine heron]

someone is always going to have a problem with the game with the changes or without

[narrow owl]

I'm willing to wait 2 more months or more if it means I can keep enjoying the game

[narrow owl]

I don't think there was a single update of cosmoteer prior to this one that was so controversial

[carmine heron]

this is also one of the largest changes

and it being controversial proves my statement

[narrow owl]

no, transition from classic to modern was the biggest

[carmine heron]

not everyone is going to be happy here

[pale python]

now that i think about it if this was done tbh it would basically just end up the same gameplay as currently but the speed changed is essentially re-labeled (and vfx work too)

[carmine heron]

one of

[narrow owl]

mb

[lusty zealot]

imo there are definitely solutions that would make people happier overall

[carmine heron]

making it a mod or setting would be best but balacing between the 2 would take a lot of time and thered be a divide but its the best solution i have

[lusty zealot]

respectfully: hell no

[pale python]

true...

[lusty zealot]

trying to keep both branches maintained through other changes would add so much work for the devs, not to even mention the balance concerns

[carmine heron]

whats your make everyone happier solution then?

[tame comet]

the best solution i can think of for career is just a mod

[pale python]

i had an old stupid ideas of how to balance the half speed changes while keeping half speedness

[lusty zealot]

reverting the halfspeed changes, but keeping some of the features of halfspeed (though to a lessened degree) and adding other changes to fulfil some of the same goals

[carmine heron]

other changes such as?

those goals are the important part

[lusty zealot]

changes to projectile speed, default gamespeed settings, as well as armour and structure HP, primarily

[pale python]

double ish projectile speed, crew flight speed, possibly factories

is what i'd so for the stable game's changes

it kinda is a bit of the spirit

[lusty zealot]

the exact numbers and implementation of my changes would (if the changes are gone with) be up to the devs

[next urchin]

I'm going to miss the longer TTK 😭

[tame comet]

this is also me: i do not mind the drag

the drag changes are totally fair

[pale python]

if drag and the changes i said got added then it's functionally the same as the current preview kinda? just different sound effect speed

[lusty zealot]

lowered ship top speeds is a good change imo yeah

[tame comet]

i only mention that because some people might lump them in to half speed changes. but the drag rework is a very healthy change

[narrow owl]

I think drag rework is fine for pvp, but it's not perfect for the game.

Like nobody complained about top speed being to high in career, in fact, quite the opposite. early career is slow, with ships going like 70m/s, maybe slightly more if the player has experience, but you're locked into weaker thrusters for at least the first few bounties.

Exploration missions are going too be long af to complete without a 200m/s scoutship

what about reducing the drag for smaller ships, so that smaller ships are faster even without the same power-to-weight ratio

[tame comet]

isnt thst what they dkd

like i was still able to go like 160~ with 2 oc engine rooms with 6 HTs

on a tiny shitmobile

[narrow owl]

I don't think so ? They just increased drag at high speeds

[narrow owl]

With old drag values that would have easily gone to 250

[lusty zealot]

things like that were tried in the far past of cosmoteer, and considered Not Great

for what it's worth, the drag changes are essentially nonexistent below 100m/s, so most career ships will be unaffected. scout ships being slower is a fair concern, though i'm not sure what could be done about that without negatively affecting other things

[lusty zealot]

i doubt it, though something like 200-220 could be expected

[narrow owl]

overclock is crazy strong tho

[tame comet]

i wouldnt mind if that was possible with oc mrts now because theres an actual price to pay

[narrow owl]

why was it considered not great ?

[tame comet]

not saying it should be a thing

[lusty zealot]

just based on the speed ranges of things in-preview, 160 is about what MRT ULnukes are going iirc, and they're around 215m/s in stable

[narrow owl]

oc engine setups are so much lighter that's why they are strong

[lusty zealot]

i'd have to find walt talking about it, but iirc the main things were:

performance concerns
unintuitiveness
splitting a ship and then having the bits 'locked' together by structure being faster than the whole ship being weird

[tame comet]

imo it could be because less thruster-equipped ships have much less of a reason to add thrusters if they just go faster by default

[tame comet]

ULnukes are mrts

with or without engine rooms them mofos are gonna zoom

cuz mrt do mrt thing

[narrow owl]

ik

[lusty zealot]

top speed is, iirc, purely based on thrust:weight. the scale of a ship shouldn't have an effect on how much it's affected by the drag changes

[narrow owl]

I was saying that oc engine setup could generate thrust at around the same cost but for way lower mass than traditional non oc (and non mrt) setups

so the ship would be lighter and thus slightly faster

[lusty zealot]

and i'm saying that 2 things that go 160m/s in the preview are going to go at the same speed using stable's drag equation

overclocked thrust setups would definitely allow for higher top speeds, though that particular setup wouldn't be any faster than an MRT ULnuke

(which, don't get me wrong, is still really really fast)

[narrow owl]

-# hold on may be tired me not understanding

[lusty zealot]

probably go to sleep, reset the brain and come back to discuss in the morning

[narrow owl]

what if we looked at more creative nerfs for UL setups

already I feel like OCDC could be really strong against them, and OCLB too

They protected by shields but easily dodge emp and disruptor, so overwhelming damage is the only option, maybe OCEB (disruptor) could be changed for that purpose

not necessarily scrapping the current concept

Someone should mod the OCDC into stable and fight an UL

[lusty zealot]

the changes to drag and projectile speed in halfspeed already make ULnukes far easier to hit

-# i know technically it doesn't change projectile speed but for the purposes of elim pvp it does

[narrow owl]

what if we gave shorter ranges to nukes ? I don't understand why the deck cannon brutality and the ultimate weapon of mass destruction don't boast similar ranges

[prisma dock]

Nobody is ever again going to forget putting Extinguishers on their ship. ^^

[plucky fossil]

nuh uh with the 1200 i save i am going to get 0.02 more pieces of effective armor in the average fight and win

watching the critical pipe that leads to all the radiators break

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/878302866807332905/1368981946549538906/images.png?ex=682ca84a&is=682b56ca&hm=2844ca91f5a9ae25dae74c41ab250c95a28321a658cdf1f829f839540633e523&

[tame comet]

this is such an osha image

[granite sapphire]

lol i turned off overclock ions on my overclock ion cruiser and it did just as well

[plucky fossil]

another one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407989900881952771/1374093123827007659/RDT_20240928_1359213709700275597631683.jpg?ex=682ccb72&is=682b79f2&hm=e500d8dd9a5a3ab223b36f847aa67cb7be6cacb480cffd52226e73ccf88c522f&

[plucky fossil]

against what?

[granite sapphire]

rammer

[plucky fossil]

was it not wiggling?

[prisma dock]

I think the new 1x speed feels mostly good. It's a bit weird learning all the new numbers on what produces what per second, but there's a reason why almost every pvp game was done on 1/2x speed. Everything just feels more natural on the new 1x speed.

[tacit peak]

does heat not have a use or am i blind

fully possible

though its also possible thats just not whats its meant to be

[next urchin]

Heat is mostly a waste product, but you can load it into Thermal Canister Missiles

[coarse spindle]

Heat is a waste product and I choose to waste it on enemy ships

[tame comet]

man im ngl everytime i see your pfp i think its a cosmoteer building grid

[coarse spindle]

Better than a protogen I guess

It's so funny how I never noticed that

[tame comet]

nevermind i see a protogen too

-# kinda based tho

[narrow owl]

boop

[upbeat sequoia]

Has anyone figured out what OC engine rooms do yet?
Im using engine rooms but not OCing them, only OCing the engines.

[bitter steppe]

OC engine rooms allows you to transsfer heat from all the thrusters through it, otherwise you have to connect all the thrusters to pipes or use heat exchangers

[bleak sonnet]

let you pass through heat from the engines at cost of efficiency

[prisma dock]

Is there a way to see the patch notes of even the small updates on the preview branch? Every time I load the game it says I'm loading new stuff for the first time, but then I can never find what numbers changed.

[brazen cove]

i dont think anything's actually being changed; its just bug from beta instability

[prisma dock]

huh. weird. thx

[narrow owl]

Question, des the OC flak also have the initial damage of the non OC one ?

[summer cypress]

Pretty sure yeah

[upbeat sequoia]

Duh! I did not think it worked like that when i was playing.
So you get double the heat from the engine rooms rather than directly connecting, but get +125 power distribution. Does that mean you need 25% less batteries delivered to your engine rooms?

[narrow owl]

thanks !

[granite sapphire]

any update on oc cg rework?

[narrow owl]

Guess who made an OCDC avoider

Sadly piloting sucks because when strafing trying to rotate makes it strafe the other way

When marking thrusters as "non turning"

[pale python]

last i checked overclocked large cannon had immense penetration for shrapnel in armor
i should test it again since it's been a bit

[prisma dock]

You can mark thrusters?

[narrow owl]

no

[pale python]

you can mark pliers /j

[prisma dock]

I'm sure you are ashamed of yourself, as you should be.

[tulip nebula]

Lol /j

[paper hemlock]

Heat makes parts have lower penetration resistance right?

[pale python]

yes

[granite sapphire]

@mild gazelle as someone using alpha trb do you think trb debuff should have ramping up/down effectiveness from duration hitting a shield? i think it makes sense

[mild gazelle]

that would make sense but make me sad

(but nerfing trbs is a good idea imo)

a lil broken atm

but hey 🤷

not like other people have caught on yet

I also haven't had many fights with it, havent seen ppl online when I was

[cerulean prairie]

All of the patch notes are posted in this channel. See the pinned messages.

[prisma dock]

thx a lot

deck cannons. didn't mess with those yet.

[paper hemlock]

OC DC are the physical manifestation of the phrase "hits like a truck"

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone Please see above poll.

[plucky fossil]

it feels a lot faster to me....

[prisma dock]

That is what they say.

[plucky fossil]

i like the shot speed and whatnot but the speed feels much faster

*i like the reload and fire rate changes but ship speeds feel faster

[paper hemlock]

I feel the DPS of most weapons is too slow

[wraith ginkgo]

i would love if it was an optional setting

[prisma dock]

I like the new speed. It's the speed where you can actually still follow the crew and the shots don't fly absurdly slowly now. Feels natural.

[paper hemlock]

Maybe make it a bit faster

[wraith ginkgo]

maybe have it be default in pvp, but i dislike it in career

[prisma dock]

it is optional

[paper hemlock]

How?

[lone crest]

i think i kinda like it but if there was also the option to bring it to a 16x speed that would be cool (assuming it doesnt shatter the physics)

[prisma dock]

press + or -

[wraith ginkgo]

it wont stay that way tho, right??

[paper hemlock]

Really?

[lone crest]

o interesting, cool

[alpine needle]

So it’ll be like the previous 8x I like the idea not sure if it’s practical or not

[prisma dock]

you can manually set the game speed to -x8 or x8... You know that.

[lone crest]

ye idk

[polar knot]

I feel like the game can be sluggish at times with the new speed, but maybe that's just the magic of early campaign

[alpine needle]

I feel it’s a good idea just not sure if there is any worth in it

[paper hemlock]

You know that's not what they're asking

[wraith ginkgo]

thats not what were talking about

it doesnt affect all aspects of the game

[prisma dock]

but they are asking that. They want the game speed to be optional. It is.

[tacit peak]

It feels more like just more stuff to deal with, which I like! not much with game speed

[wraith ginkgo]

no, the change

[paper hemlock]

It's not the same

[prisma dock]

what is it that they'Re asking then?

[grizzled sentinel]

when oc reactor nerf?

[lone crest]

i like the reactors lol

[prisma dock]

Are they asking for an option to change the game speed? We have that

[stuck roost]

I haven't felt a difference! Ewpected witgh how fast ships are moving relative to asteroids and nebulas during battles

[visual knoll]

I still find the game speed too fast

To do combat on normwl

[stuck roost]

Crew are painfully slow but who ever complains having to put your game on 8x when building

[cerulean prairie]

Most things like rate of fire, crew speed, and ship acceleration were halved in the meltdown preview.

[rain sky]

Same no difference noticed

[stuck roost]

It's o well done!

[grizzled sentinel]

how is the 2x energy buff with half of the cost with other buffs is balanced😭

[paper hemlock]

It's called heat

[prisma dock]

yes. I personally love. Feels natural. I guess an option to change the shot speed wouldn't hurt. Customizability is always good.

[grizzled sentinel]

you need 8k for radiator and you have 3x your energy for small reactor

[worn hound]

tbf reactors are often buried within your ship so you do need a bit extra infrastructure to actually handle dissipating the heat from reactors

[grizzled sentinel]

thatlike +5k , not so much

[worn hound]

also you still have to deal with challenges with crew transporting that power, so the reactor buffs dont solve all your problems

[paper hemlock]

Radiators alone are 8k

[grizzled sentinel]

+5k to transport heat

[lone crest]

yuh

[prisma dock]

I think, if the relation between shot speed, ship speed and crew speed had been like it is now from when the game was first launched, nobody would complain.

[worn hound]

i have no problem with the reactors, since you still have to handle good crew logistics anyways

[static plinth]

old speed was way better than this new one
something about it just feels viscerally wrong

[tacit peak]

I just wish you could USE the heat

[plucky fossil]

fatter logistics and increased distnace sometimes makes crew cost not worth it

[paper hemlock]

You can?

[stuck roost]

Does anytone got a link to the old poll in the first halved preview? I want to compare it with this one

[tacit peak]

well

not in the same way

[lone crest]

ye lol, i mean missiles, but also i wanna approach and melt someone

[paper hemlock]

Also, this is a preview, they might and probably will add more to it

[worn hound]

make a knife block that you can pump heat into for melee damage like every youtube video a decade ago

[grizzled sentinel]

yeah but large reactor have 4 energy batteries...

so logistics is easer

[worn hound]

a little easier, still not like its a solved problem

[tacit peak]

i mean

buff ram ships why dint you

😭

[lone crest]

realllll

[paper hemlock]

It'd be cool if you could pump heat into cannon shots

[olive thistle]

my long answer is that i dont like it for now, but i can imagine myself getting used to it further down the line

[tacit peak]

Yeah true

[paper hemlock]

Maybe a setting like how missiles are

[tacit peak]

Make em have higher burn rate or smth

but less AA hp

[worn hound]

would be confusing tho

[grizzled sentinel]

heat rockets: am i joke for you?

[tacit peak]

i mean

[worn hound]

overclocked cannons create heat, so this would mean you could have both something that outputs and taKes in heat

[tacit peak]

pumo heat in

have heat tank

[paper hemlock]

Also also, when Plasmathrowers get added they will def use heat

[tacit peak]

maybe

[worn hound]

i mean like its a bit of a ui/ux concern

[tacit peak]

just maybe

dont overclock nome electric things

idk

unless their heat is coming from

extreme firing

then idk why their producing heat

[narrow owl]

Discord render lmao

[pale python]

the great glebaning

[worn hound]

probably just they are firing with more explosive force and that makes a lot of heat

[paper hemlock]

I love no contrast ❤️

[tacit peak]

eh...

I geusssssss

[paper hemlock]

Why is my laptop producing heat

[tacit peak]

power moment

[static plinth]

thanks jar

[grizzled sentinel]

we have heat powered missiles arleady what are you asking for????

[static plinth]

trb also consumes heat if im remembering correctly

[paper hemlock]

So maybe just maybe elecricity produces heat 🤯

[tacit peak]

oh no electricity is fine

im talking about cannons producing heat

[regal wharf]

What is friction for 500

[paper hemlock]

Friction

[regal wharf]

everything produces heat

[worn hound]

normal force * coefficient of friction
-# im so glad im done with ap physics now

[tacit peak]

THAT fast?

[regal wharf]

Heat Is just energy

[static plinth]

gameplay feature.
ask walt if you want a canon explanation

[regal wharf]

Also this

[tacit peak]

our blueprints are laced with confusing power dynamic 😔

[grizzled sentinel]

so in cosmoteer world thermodynamics are reverse?

[regal wharf]

This is a reality set in 2D space where space itself has friction

[summer cypress]

could be a higher powder load producing more heat than normal for kinetics

[worn hound]

or

fun fact

im no physicist but apparently over extremely long time spans energy does actually get lost

[regal wharf]

I swear if you bring up micro medorites lol

Or that lol

[granite sapphire]

the guns fire hot thingsp

[worn hound]

what if i put cold bullet in gun

[granite sapphire]

✅

[midnight canopy]

then th explosion heats it up

[hazy umbra]

Would be preferable to have additional game speed settings instead of changing the current ones

[summer cypress]

im also gonna add that canonically every ship has a massibe block of ice to cool it off

[granite sapphire]

stay with me here

[worn hound]

what if i ice bullet

[regal wharf]

Well current cannon explonation is that the game takes place in a dense nebula, either way, guns here on earth just after a few shots generate a lot of heat, in a vacuum with no atmosphere to replace that heat it would be much worse

[grizzled sentinel]

we have infinty energy machines in this universe, are we talking about physics?

[worn hound]

are they truly infinite

[midnight canopy]

thermodynamics

[summer cypress]

ooh, i thought the ice block was the canon explanation

[worn hound]

what if they have a cost you havent found

[granite sapphire]

its just nuclear reactors

[worn hound]

what if they feed on your soul and you havent realized it

[prisma dock]

Isn't that just because you're used to the old speed? Would you dislike it at all, if it had always been like this since classic? What are the objective disadvantages of the speed as it is now?

[summer cypress]

Nuclear reactors wouldnt produce infinite energe, they'd need some refueling

[worn hound]

nuh uh

[plucky fossil]

i don't like that it's super easy even at moderately long distances to kill people before they can react, and it's harder to target people as they move since they spin/accelerate quicker and the tick rate is lower and fps lag gets in the way more

[worn hound]

not if i have anything to say about it

[static plinth]

crew feel unresponsive and slow
sound is unnerving (personal preference)
things generally feel faster (for pvp this is bad)
my laptop suffers more

[grizzled sentinel]

also we have DECK cannons on the 2D world

[paper hemlock]

It's 2.5D

[midnight canopy]

its a 3d world represented in 2d

[prisma dock]

What if tournaments would still be held at 1/2x speed?

[static plinth]

lmao that would be awful

[granite sapphire]

1/2x is very very slow now

[prisma dock]

it is very slow yes

[plucky fossil]

they already take too long i think

[granite sapphire]

because all values aside from top speed are alr halved

[granite sapphire]

3 day official tourney bracket

[prisma dock]

8 hour tournaments lets gooo

[static plinth]

wasnt drag changed?

[paper hemlock]

That's my main problem with the speed changes, we had options to slow down and speed up the game, now 2x feels too fast and 1/2x feels too slow

[prisma dock]

hm, i get what you'Re saying

[summer cypress]

They're expensive bc you gotta break out of the 2d world iirc

Either that or thats only for planets

[paper hemlock]

Also unrelated but is your R key broken?

[granite sapphire]

if only devs could accept they cant keep the double top speed without dramatically changing litrrally everything

[prisma dock]

the new 1x feels good to me, but it kinda now is the only speed that feels ok

[prisma dock]

my finger is broken not my key ^^

[cerulean prairie]

Trust me, we know. We've spent weeks trying to find a balance.

[static plinth]

please for the love of walt keep it how it was before

im begging you

never change it

[prisma dock]

what exactly do you mean by this?

[flat skiff]

i dont see how it's ruining the game..

[plucky fossil]

how it was before was still a drastic change from classic....

[granite sapphire]

i think its kinda a fundamental issue, i dont think its fixable really. i mean you cant do any more than you have already done, top speed being doubled will greatly increase the pace of the game literally no matter what

iirc the reason for leaving top speed doubled was because you didnt want to double transit times yes? i dont think this is an issue personally as it would incentivize hyperjumping and building faster ships

i personally like the speed changes fwiw

[worn hound]

if only the devs were aware of this and are trying to find the best balance for something that is really tough to balance

[granite sapphire]

but i just think its kinda an irreconcilable issue

[static plinth]

i didnt play classic

[paper hemlock]

It's not really ruining the game, it's just making things feel wacky

[plucky fossil]

and there are players who have never played prerampdown, or preoverclock, or prerebalance

[cerulean prairie]

That was the main reason, yes. We don't want to incentivize building faster ships, they're already too strong. And we don't want to make exploration slower.

[paper hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[granite sapphire]

have you considered adding career-side infrastructure to assist with exploration instead? aka space highways that increase ur speed, better hyperjump beacons, etc? exploration alr feels fine enough on preview imo, especially once you start unlocking hyperjump beacons and making use of them. its mostly an issue in the earlygame imo, before you can have very fast/multiple ships with sensors

ofc some very complex features to add but it might be time to cut your losses

i dont think there is any way to make this not be an issue otherwise

[worn hound]

man i do not envy game developers

balancing is hard

[cerulean prairie]

Yes we have, we've talked about a lot of ideas. We haven't ruled them all out, but they all require much more work than the current speed changes.

[granite sapphire]

idk atp

[gloomy raft]

100%

[granite sapphire]

the speed changes seem like quite the headache

[paper hemlock]

Can't make everyone happy unfortunately

[worn hound]

walt i believe in you

[gloomy raft]

Thanks for the effort Walt and others btw (especially since weve all already paid you 😂 )

[granite sapphire]

yea walt will figure it out

[plucky fossil]

just delete the game clueless

[granite sapphire]

steam forums hate this one simple trick

[worn hound]

air can i evaporate you

[cerulean prairie]

Everyone stop voting!

[worn hound]

w

[granite sapphire]

smh

[worn hound]

smh my head

[median crow]

i do think that the less responsive acceleration has made AI ships worse at navigating obstacles, they seem to get caught more on asteroids and have to be guided around them more carefully in RTS play

[static plinth]

oh yeah thats another thing
why is the ai this useless its hilarious

[paper hemlock]

This is more of a issue of AI being neuron deficient they already do this

[worn hound]

also overclocked thrusters seem janky last i checked with inertial dampeners, as if it doesnt calculate for their increased thrust

[median crow]

i know, it just feels more prominent now

[plucky fossil]

ai is concerningly getting increasingly stupid for unexplanaiable reasons

even in stable, something is making it worse through the versions i feel

[worn hound]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification has gotten to the ai

[granite sapphire]

inertial dampeners? is that modded?

[worn hound]

when thrusters counteract your current force to bring you to a stop, thats inertial dampening

[static plinth]

yeah the ai is agressively bad it just refuses to work

[plucky fossil]

#1374116521768390676 i think

[regal wharf]

~~ I just want career 2.0 man, to hell with the speed changes~~

[crimson osprey]

That's pretty mean

[granite sapphire]

i wouldnt call it that, rcs is the term iirc

but anyways yeah

they strugglin rn

[cerulean prairie]

Friendly reminder to report AI issues as bugs, especially if it's worse somehow. People keep complaining that it's worse, but I don't think we've actually had any reproducible comparisons. (i.e. a saved game that works fine in a previous version but fails in the current version)

[granite sapphire]

reaction control system

[worn hound]

rcs is reaction control system, just a system of precise thrusters that provide attitude control

inertial dampening is what its called because its literally there to dampen the inertia

rcs-type stuff can do inertial dampening, they arent mutually exclusive

[regal sand]

friction + chemical explosion

[hybrid warren]

This is a larger ship I made with the meltdown. I know this has nothing to do with the current discussion.

how do you upload photos?

[worn hound]

screenshot

[hybrid warren]

does not seam to load right

[paper hemlock]

It just says file

[hybrid warren]

Yeah I wanted to unload it as an image

[paper hemlock]

Why not just make it like a PNG or JPEG or something

[plucky fossil]

see pins of #ships - it'll tell you the location of save ship files

[flat skiff]

first file

second

[paper hemlock]

Those pipe hallways down the middle are def not necessary

[flat skiff]

i did it for u

[static plinth]

is this the place for meltdown ship discussion?

[hybrid warren]

Thanks, I figured it out

[paper hemlock]

It relates to the preview

[static plinth]

fair enough

[flat furnace]

oh boy, i sure do love meltdowning my whole ship
this update is gonna be great when it fully comes out

[narrow owl]

I love how my estimation was around correct

[regal plume]

didn't you say less than 5% love?

[lusty zealot]

that was thinking that the poll would have 5 options: hate, dislike, neutral, like, and love

with the 3 options (like, neutral, dislike), their proportions for positive and negative opinions on it are about right

though it's a bit more skewed to the non-neutrals

[rough dock]

Off center overclocked rails seem to fail to fire on their target a lot. I feel like one or two centralized overclocked rails seem better than a big fan of overclocked rails.

[rough dock]

I wonder if they just have more recoil throwing things off the further off center they get.

[static plinth]

Wdym by that? Because oc rails have a firing delay

[rough dock]

I was just doing some fanning, the fanning does not seem to work nearly as well with overclocked rails.

Delay would explain it, I will watch for that.

Yeah. I think it is the delay. I definitely don't like the over clocked fan's performance. One or two big over clocked rails feels good though.

Sweeping an eight rail fan back and forth is just sending shots all over the target.

[plucky fossil]

that's the intention

they're not meant to be fannable

[rough dock]

The fan is still doing a ton of damage.

I kinda like not being incentivized to oc rail fan. The oc railfan builds come out awkward.

[narrow owl]

105 votes is 1/10th of the daily playerbase btw (iirc)

[static plinth]

Oc rails aren't meant to be fanned

[narrow owl]

unless it's the daily peak

[carmine heron]

only a part of those 1000~ ppl are the same ppl each day, the playerbase is larger than 1000

[granite sapphire]

meltin it down, and by it, well. lets just say... my whole entire ship

[pale python]

Sarising it rn and by it lets just say my Winterwisp

[dark lily]

This was almost word for word the design intention 😁

Vanilla rails aren't effective enough to be used in low numbers, so they have to be volley fired

Overclocked rails are effective enough to be used in small numbers, so they have to be incompatible with fanning lest they become broken

[rough dock]

Maybe mention the delay in the tool tip.

[pale python]

I think it is

On the overclocked stats

[rough dock]

Is that what charge time means?

[pale python]

Crazy but what if random amount of delay so you can't fan by having a lot of skill and timing it right /j

[rough dock]

I would have interpreted that as reload time, not firing delay.

[delicate moss]

The children yearn for career 2.0

[rough dock]

I feel like if I went back and played career again with over clocking it would be way easier than it already is. Progression is gated by crew, and overclocking stuff seems much more crew efficient.

[pale python]

Wait
Random or just extended reload time might also be good

You get one shot

[granite sapphire]

it is much easier, however overclocking will be unlocked later into the game in stable release

[pale python]

Actually nvm just manually wait a bit

Raah

[granite sapphire]

not to mention enemies will also use overclocking in the future

[next urchin]

It's seen the world's misuse of its brethren and it's revolting

[last breach]

I’ll be real

I can’t tell if somethings wrong with the AI

~~also WHICH AI ~~

[hybrid warren]

I want the damage of the radiators to be much higher. They seam underwhelming right now.

[lusty zealot]

well. they're not exactly intended as a weapon, to be fair

[devout fox]

I mean, they're not meant to be a weapon or anything. Now adding burn damage to thusters, like how radiators work, that would be something

Boost thusters as makeshift flamethrowers would be so fun

[twilit matrix]

I honestly didn't even notice the speed change.

[next urchin]

"My space heater is not doing enough damage to my foes 😡😡"

(I just found this funny)

[pale python]

infinite heat loop

[hard orbit]

Clearly need to be able to overclock the radiator and turn it into a blowtorch. 😆

[tame comet]

that sounds so funny

the first "melee" weapon

[pale python]

still ranged hitscan so its basically an ion smh smh

[eager gyro]

technicaly mines could be consitered the first melee weapon due to range

[muted junco]

Make armor overclockable/j

[remote charm]

i bet by now it's been suggested a dozen times, but would be really cool to get real-time numbers of how a heat system was operating

[next urchin]

It has, and it has been on the list of things I'd like to do since before even the balance council got their hands on Meltdown 😅

GUI things are... difficult

[remote charm]

no doubt

for now ill roleplay myself into seeing the numbers of a great ship's thermal system creaking under immense pressure

[muted junco]

This ship would benefit from that
Cause it goes over its cooling limit sometimes

[rough dock]

We need thermal dynamos that just trickle feed energy to adjacent stuff. The point defense and small thrusters already have dynamos, so we know the technology exists. Imagine just slapping down a sensor and being able to run it off of a dynamo.

[remote charm]

yeah the thermal load can vary so much so im kinda just throwing money around in ship design

[rough dock]

I really wish the corridor pipe combo did not need a door to merge into a corridor.

[pale python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333614794032549982/1370574710638776482/caption.gif

something is brewing

[remote charm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896724548349751326/1135434947096756255/hapee.gif

[next urchin]

I was thinking of removing the doors/walls on them but I don't actually know how to do so off by heart, which is why I haven't gotten around to it lol

[pale python]

(ah i was more of mentioning because i one of my friends started playing the beta it but that works too)

[next urchin]

Ahh, thought it was in response to the corridor message

[pale python]

😢

i should uninstall at some point

actually it may be useful to use the old factory roofs that might be good for modding later

[flat skiff]

so would crew also be able to walk in the same direction as the pipes?

[pale python]

actually, what do you mean "by heart"?

[next urchin]

No, not those walls.
Though... Could be interesting

[pale python]

interesting

[next urchin]

Yes, that. As in, I would need to look at examples/figure it out, rather than just already knowing how to do it

[lusty zealot]

ehh, i feel like that'd make heat logistics a bit too simple in some cases

[next urchin]

Hence the could

[pale python]

yeah i dont think the game (before preview, i dont know if changed) supports 0 speed walk speed/blocking the way completly in some directions
but atleast blocking door placement should be possible

[next urchin]

I think it'd probably be better to keep them as crossings rather than full corridors, though

[pale python]

i dont think this would really help but this is how i did for my floodfill connections

more social engineering zipbombs oop /j

i didn't implement door placement restrictions so it really is just a corridor that has a negative if placed incorrectly

i guess it would'nt be too bad with it being a corridor-like part using heat network because you'd still need a straight line (strictly) for it to travel, the door restriction should be easy to put ontop

[remote charm]

how much heat does each thermal canister take to complete

[pale python]

i think the factory has stats

[lusty zealot]

says on either the launcher or factory, 7k

[remote charm]

damn

yeah on the factory i see

[plucky fossil]

almost at 10k messages

[barren osprey]

This is how I did it for one of my modded parts
in the main part section:

    TypeCategories = [corridor]

    //does not require doors to enter/exit
    IsWalled = false
    GeneratorRequiresDoor = false
    AllowedDoorLocations []

then later after the components section;

        BlueprintWalls : <./Data/ships/terran/walls/blueprint_walls.rules>
        {
            Location = [.5, .5]
            BlendsWithCategories = [corridor]
        }

        WallsBlend : <./Data/ships/terran/walls/walls.rules>
        {
            Type = BlendSprite
            Location = [.5, .5]
            BlendsWithCategories = [corridor]
        }

[rough dock]

it is just weird having a one tile brick that will always have two doors in a completely predictable orientation. It already has 80% move speed. Just let it merge into corridors without a door.

I guess you could use it without doors to stop a pipe from merging into a room if you want to overclock that room without worrying about eliminating heat.

On that note, it would be nice if we had more control over pipes merging into rooms for ascetic reasons.

[dark lily]

Early on in development you had to manually place line, bends, t-shapes and crosses, and it took about 8 times as long every time you needed to place pipes. It was phased out due to being orders of magnitude more tedious

If you have an effective suggestion for how to do it though, I agree that it would be useful 👍

[rough dock]

Just have adaptive pieces and straight pieces. 99% of the time you are going to want to customize, it is just going to need a straight piece to stop ugly extra connections. The corridor pipe does it, but is expensive and leaves an extra bit of corridor.

[cunning swift]

would be cool to have diagonal pieces for aesthetics

[rough dock]

Diagnal would be cool, even if it needed to be a multi tile unit to pull off.

[cunning swift]

I don't think it would need to be

[granite sapphire]

one of the things i hate about the drag changes is how rammers feel... rough

everything feels so much slipperier as a rammer

[lusty zealot]

pretty much my thoughts too

to be fair, rammers have been pretty... if not exactly dominant, definitely very prominent in the meta for a good while, plus being ramlocked can be frustrating, so some nerfs to them isn't a terrible idea. though, this does go too far imo

[dark lily]

Rammers suffering balance wise is and has been a good thing not only due to their dominance, but due to the fact that any victory they have via a ramlock is infuriating for the opponent. If their gameplan is successful, then it means that all agency is taken from the opponent and they instantly lose

If such a frustrating tactic is possible, I think that it's fair that it would require significant thrust investment for it to be possible

[granite sapphire]

i agree with this on principle and rammers being nerfed isnt a bad thing. however i feel it goes quite a bit too far. in the first place while ramming is a bit of a frusturating strategy for the enemy, i disagree they lose all agency. not only do you have ways to significantly dissuade ramlocks both through piloting and design, you can also break ramlocks and spread damage with reasonable effectiveness especially with design considerations. i dont think achieving a ramlock shouldnt be a pseudo win condition

[dark lily]

I agree that it should be a pseudo-win condition, I'm just in favor of it requiring more investment than it does now

[granite sapphire]

i also disagree with the general sentiment of "its not fun to lose like that". its not fun to lose in almost any way, if we nerfed everything that wasnt particularly fun to go against we would probably be down half of the popular archetypes. overall aside from with certain problem archetypes like spinners/railfans i think the rammer matchup isnt particularly/especially unfun for the enemy in most cases

problem archetypes like ulnukes were entirely untouchable by many archetypes, which is where that sentiment becomes valid as your only win condition is a mistake from the enemy

[lusty zealot]

to be absolutely fair, rammers and ramlocking are, i think, somewhat disproportionately effective against the sorts of ships brought to the table by newer or more casual PVP players. though, then again, any even somewhat-optimally designed pvp ship will most likely stomp a casual ship, so i don't think rammers being a little bit more difficult for new players in that situation is a huge issue

for what it's worth, the changes i've proposed for if halfspeed does get reverted would nerf rammers somewhat in a few ways, though not to the degree of the halfspeed changes

focusing more on increasing counterplay than reducing initial effectiveness

[rough shuttle]

Regarding the speed changes, i really love it as it adds "weight" and makes the ships feel larger, the only thing i dislike a bit is how incredibly slow the crew is, some weapons and engines require cores and crew to be incredibly close to get power efficiently. Which makes ships have a lot of capacitors and cores that usuall. it just feels a bit wrong and difficult. sure i like a challange but i love having crew run around the ship, not just run back and forward between one part.

[tame comet]

thats drag and rampup changes. i can somewhat live with thsoe as yes they make a ship feel weighty

[light stratus]

we should get an emergency stop button

for overclocks

you can select whether a overclocked object responds to it or not

and when you turn it off the overclocks reactivate

that way you don't have to do it manually every time, and can select what stuff gets deactivated (say, keep shields active, but deactivate OC for weapons and propulsion)

[tame comet]

thats called assigning two hot keys by pressing ctrl + number when highlighting a weapon and binding a key to toggling overclock

[buoyant vortex]

imo:
cores generate not enough
people are way too slow
theres nothing you can do against the thermal resonator beam

[tame comet]

i agree. it feels like theres absolutely nothing we can do to fight against it besides extinguishing doctors and sustaining shields, the debuff feels unavoidable

[vocal trout]

i mean exchanging heat is an option ig

[icy eagle]

Not sure if reported, but there's a missing space in "hull,transferring"

[tame comet]

oh mistypes. the biggest bane of almost fucking everything

[buoyant vortex]

Unplayable

[narrow blade]

"i make graphics for mods" do you make graphics for mods

[buoyant vortex]

possibly

[buoyant vortex]

you dont happen to need... graphics... for your modss...

[narrow blade]

no i dont even make them i was curious for your answer

[tulip nebula]

tinport moment

[woven aurora]

oc nukes wouldave been fun

someone might have already reported, but the boost description cannot be fully seen.

[prisma dock]

I for one would LOVE that. It would make heat designs a little simpler. Yes, that means it'd be less challenging, but it would still be challenging enough, I think.

[prisma dock]

would still be plenty challenging.

[prisma dock]

"a bit of a frustrating strategy for the enemy"...
a BIT frustrating? It's one of the most or possibly (but not definitely) the most frustrating strategy in pvp.

[paper hemlock]

Please no, the main challenge of OCing manned or powered parts is connecting them while still making sure crew have access

[wispy stream]

when will the update be an release candidate? do we speak about months or weeks ?
im a little bit confused

[regal wharf]

Walt said somewhere on the steammforums hopefully single digit weeks

[prisma dock]

I wouldn't be mad, if it stayed how it currently is. I just think combining manning and heat piping is already plenty challenging/bulky.

[paper hemlock]

So max around 2 months?

[regal plume]

Would you be interested in making a 2x1 reactor with storage for a couple of batteries? Entrance one end and reactor filling the other end?

[buoyant vortex]

as in i make the graphics you make the mod? lets take this to dms if this is what you mean

[granite sapphire]

ramming? when ul orbs/tbr exists? thats a stretch by any definition

if your ship gets completely hard cohntered by rammers thats just reflecting a design issue more than anything for the most part

[prisma dock]

Yes. One of the most.

not the most

[granite sapphire]

lol

[marsh aurora]

Every minute the results become more average lol. Almost 33% for each option.

[carmine heron]

poor Markty

I knew there were more ppl who like it who didnt speak up on it

[buoyant vortex]

nah

this is

silly

[carmine heron]

Nearly perfectly even across the board

Wouldn't want to be a dev dealing with that

[quasi meteor]

IT TIED?

I honestly wonder what the consequences of this are

[cerulean prairie]

I deleted Cosmoteer.

[plucky fossil]

good idea

[narrow owl]

It tied neutral and dislike with minority liking

well

[carmine heron]

1 person from each is all it would've took to make it fully tied lol

Might as well have been fully tied

[lusty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/tbh-white-creature-yipee-break-fall-apart-gif-25850097

[coarse spindle]

Well then surely a compromise is the best solution, slow the game down by 25%

[narrow owl]

why

[coarse spindle]

So that both parties are mildly annoyed

[static plinth]

[narrow owl]

I'm not against making the fights slower though, reduce damage by 25% across the board, but not the speed of the game

Like yeah I told that the ttk being slower was annoying
But it's miles less annoying the the rest of the meltdown slowdown effects

[wintry kite]

MILDLY????

[quasi meteor]

I think game speed should be removed and the new game speed is the average of x8 and x0.25

[narrow owl]

lmao

sudo rm -rf Eapple

[wintry kite]

How did we go from trying to improve the speed of the game (or leave it on 0.5) to creating a torture using time?

[pale python]

jokes and boredom and i dunno

previewpreview and previewpreviewpreview branches to compare when /j

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone New Meltdown Preview!! Thanks for all your testing and feedback! Keep it coming! 🙂

Features:

• Tractor Beam overclocking

Balance:

• Small Shield (OC): increased arc (45→50)
• Reworked Small Laser overclock to rapid-fire pulse beam (formerly Heavy Blaster’s overclock)
• Reworked Heavy Laser overclock to slow-firing splash damage projectile
• Capacitor (OC): increased heat per battery delivered (20→50)
• Thermal Resonance Lance: Shield heat-penetration now scales with amplification according to amp^0.85 / (250 + amp^0.85) (Currently unlisted in stats)

Other:

• Renamed Thermal Resonance Turret to Thermal Resonance Lance
• Fixed Scorched and Heat Exchanger VFX showing on hidden ships
• Minor tooltip formatting/phrasing changes
• Fixed overclocked Mining Laser showing incorrect range
• Fixed incorrect value for Thermal Resonance Turret “Shield Damage Power Cost” dilation stat
• Fixed issue causing game to claim there are new or updated files on every game load
• Fixed overclocked Reactors not generating heat when only intermittently generating power

[vague dew]

they fixed the shield gap

[plain sonnet]

WOOO LETS GO BABY

[worn hound]

omg tractor beam

[delicate moss]

NOOO THEY FIXED THE SHIELD GAP

[mortal musk]

No chaingun oc changes? Can i get some design philoshophy on it?

[tacit peak]

ayyy

[icy eagle]

🔥

[tacit peak]

we get

MORE free heat

from capacitors

🔥

[pale python]

lost in classic
reborn in preview
welcome back kroom's energy lance

[tacit peak]

what

lol

one of your creations

ig

[mild gazelle]

What's the tractor beam overclock? @cerulean prairie ?

[tacit peak]

ooo

talking of

do we have

[marsh aurora]

Nice

[tacit peak]

ship contact to contac heat transfer

[pale python]

oh yeah thats funny i guess you can get infinite heat using that

hmmm

[cerulean prairie]

Find out for yourself!

[pale python]

i dont know if thats much of a bad thing

[mild gazelle]

Fair lol

[tacit peak]

Hello, do we have insulation yet?

[pale python]

slight capacitor ineficciency so you cant infinitely generate heat might be something good i dunno

[pale python]

whats would that be

[tacit peak]

well

Im thinking of like

having an insulation block (not perfect insulation ofcourse)

which can keep back some heat from transfering

so you could make modular heat blades

[rain sky]

Can someone tell me after you figure it out what the TB does?

[pale python]

its called armor

[tacit peak]

keeping heat on one part of your ship

[pale python]

heat exchangers and venting out is more interesting i think

[tacit peak]

I suppose

[pale python]

when its overwhelmed like that

[cerulean prairie]

Reminder to post concrete ideas (like insulation) in #1019739575683399840 where they won't get lost.

[tacit peak]

but insulation is just part of heat and cold stuff

[boreal estuary]

we arent trying to get you out of the chat but it will take less than a day for this idea to become entirely lost in the depths of this chat. do the thing everyone else does and add meltdown in your post

then we also know its heat and cold stuff

[mild gazelle]

I wonder what the thoughts on DCs are, I think they are still overtuned

[pale python]

this will have to wait

[rough shuttle]

BIG ISSUE

the overclocked tractorbeam pulse thing is WAY to strong with small ships

[narrow owl]

LMAOOO

[rough shuttle]

litteraly one tractorbeam, enough to pull a ship INSIDE me

[narrow owl]

NOT EVEN 10 MINUTES

[pale python]

completly gobbled

[narrow owl]

That's how baby ships are... Wait that doesn't work we went from 2 ships to 1 ship

[icy eagle]

wish there was collision damage lmao

[tacit peak]

UMMM

[icy eagle]

baby ships get made by being split in two with a railgun

[tacit peak]

what am i seeing here

is this

like

[wispy bone]

Currently updating the preview... time to see what this does

[icy eagle]

particle accelerator

[tacit peak]

sneak peak of stage 5 of the alpha

[narrow owl]

ships are single celled organisms

[tacit peak]

[remote charm]

railgun assisted mitosis

[tacit peak]

itd be cool if radiators gave a bit of thrust based off the ammount of heat going out

[narrow owl]

busy on stable that will have to wait

[tacit peak]

evne ifthats not entirely how that owrks

[wispy bone]

Ah.

[rough shuttle]

The tractorbeams new ability button bassicly teleports smaller ships away or towards you, if both are close and you pull towards you, it flies inside you.

[rough shuttle]

the overload thing is a new "ability"

[wispy bone]

That is a lot of force

[rough shuttle]

this button activates it

[tacit peak]

what it do

[upbeat sequoia]

There isnt a tool tip about OCing Tractor beams, what do they do?

[coral cove]

Docking update fr

[rough shuttle]

OC makes them stronger, and gives them an ability. that makes them deliver a pulse of EXTREME force but it drains all their power

here is the tool tip for the ability

[cunning swift]

seems nondirectional though?

[rough shuttle]

And it triggers the overload stuff here

[rough shuttle]

hm?

it works on pulling and pushing

[tacit peak]

uhhhh

cool ig

seems

situational

[wintry kite]

WTH IS THIS?!

What have you done to the pure thing?!

[rough shuttle]

yeah. lets say you want someone away QUICKLY. that will do the job

[rough shuttle]

LMAO

[wintry kite]

Well, my MREC will go crazy with it

[plucky fossil]

yeah it's just an area around it

[tacit peak]

bruh

[cunning swift]

ok wow this is powerful

[tacit peak]

What the fuck.

those are megaroids right.

[rough shuttle]

yeah. very good indeed

[tacit peak]

ok but thats

a liitttle toooo powerfull

how much power does it cost..?

[plucky fossil]

the get out of my faceinator

[coral cove]

Does hold do anything? Or is it more of a strongly worded stay followed by it having a nap?

[tacit peak]

i like it

i like it being a hting

but its a BIT extra

[tacit peak]

haiiii sparky :D

[narrow owl]

Fixing speed meta one overclock at a time

[coral cove]

Oh wow, hi, didn’t even read your name lol

[tacit peak]

ye

been getting back into this game

ofcourse i join back when

hvac update drops

lmao

[narrow owl]

THIS IS CLASS AS FUCK

[tacit peak]

i feel like

they should push off

as big as the ship is

[coral cove]

Fun effect

[tacit peak]

the push off effect should definetly be based off ship size

i like that as a module it sjust a bit much

[rain sky]

Can someone record a gif if it can rotate an enemy ship??

[tacit peak]

i mean

the mega roids didnt spin

so no i dont think they spin

[pale python]

T.C. Missiles when

[coral cove]

Can you have it target your own ship?

[pale python]

awesome

[tacit peak]

probably not

wondafull

[wispy bone]

It also allows for instant teleportation

[tacit peak]

ofcourse it is

😭

[coral cove]

OH HELLO THERE

[tacit peak]

though

this is a good way

of stopping runners

i like this

[pale python]

i feel like the heat generated should be like 10x stronger

[tacit peak]

mhhh

[rough shuttle]

FOUND ANOTHER BIG ISSUE LMAO

[tacit peak]

probably

though

also take more power

[tacit peak]

tell me!

[pale python]

how

it already eats all it can

[tacit peak]

when going overclock let it hold more

[rough shuttle]

wait ima send a vid

[tacit peak]

like cpacitor does

[rough shuttle]

https://medal.tv/games/cosmoteer/clips/kkItCjVYWFygsbBWY?invite=cr-MSwxalEsMTc0MzAyMzcw

[pale python]

Thermal Battery holds 15k
Overclock Tractor beam only causes 5k per blast and is immensly powerful

[tacit peak]

whaaaaaaaaat

atleast make it like

50k

yeah

[rough shuttle]

maybe a bit to far???

[tacit peak]

oh nah

i love this

just make it less powerfull on bombs

[rough shuttle]

shoots them to jesus

[tacit peak]

id love this

lol

or

again

make the blast ship size relevant

[cunning swift]

huh, did it just go so fast that it forgot it's momentum

[flat furnace]

Mine launcher ?

[tacit peak]

make it just go more for how big the ship is

[rough shuttle]

OMG YES, A SHIP THAT SHOOTS MINES AND FLINGS THEM AT MACH 10 AT THE ENEMY

[flat furnace]

I wanna be able to send a minefield at someone

[tacit peak]

ok yeah

im using this

im using this for my fighters in carriers

im using this

[flat furnace]

It's just like the Jani shipyard bomb teleport

[rough shuttle]

but could we maybe ping a mod or dev abt this?

[pale python]

oh shi

[narrow owl]

What if the tractor beam made the target ship momentarily suffer fixed instead of exponential drag

would open the way for mass drivers !

[coral cove]

So what if, inward facing mines so that they form a tight (as tight as you can with mines :p) band, then fire the oc tb after some time

[pale python]

it does affect stuff like missiles

[rough shuttle]

https://medal.tv/games/cosmoteer/clips/kkIyFH5DAdDVhwzhZ?invite=cr-MSxubjQsMTc0MzAyMzcw

[narrow owl]

It's not railgun, it's not gun, it's big gun

[tacit peak]

3 new suggestions 🔥

[rough shuttle]

LMAOOO

[rough shuttle]

they go FLYING

[pale python]

however... well.,,
some projectiles have wacky weights

[coral cove]

Explosion gun 2.0

[tacit peak]

id like a weaker version that

goes quicker

[rough shuttle]

this is at 1/8 speed btw

[narrow owl]

Return to sender nukes

[rough shuttle]

LOL

[tacit peak]

id love sending the stuff back to people

[flat furnace]

Maybe they should make the ability into a separate smaller item

But it just always generates heat

[rough shuttle]

https://medal.tv/games/cosmoteer/clips/kkIB11HYSdvO_Q5Ea?invite=cr-MSxKUWosMTc0MzAyMzcw

Maybe a bit to strong? but it could be used as an awesome defence if times correctly

it generates tons of heat and has a long cool down (it drains the entire tractor beam)

[tacit peak]

''tons of heat''

not entirely true

[coral cove]

I love it, but yee maybe have force on projectiles slightly lower.

[tacit peak]

or in general

its a bi tmuch

[narrow owl]

RETURN TO SENDER RAILGUNNNN

[rough shuttle]

i mean 5000 instantly for a single tractorbeam is quite a lot. multible would require banks of thermal batteries

[tacit peak]

i mean

so?

5000 is

easily manageable

[rough shuttle]

lmao, but it would be increbidly hard to time since the ability takes like 5 seconds to charge up

[tacit peak]

@coral cove please tell me you replaced the carrier lmao

one we made a year ago or smth

[plucky fossil]

can't wait for hypersonic nuke range extender

[coral cove]

Replaced with what

[tacit peak]

..oh god

[coral cove]

I still have it

[tacit peak]

a new one

a BETTER one ;-;

[rough shuttle]

really depends on ship, like your ship really needs to be built for them to use the ability. any normal thermal setup will struggle a bit with the wave of thermal energy (esspecialy if you dont have thermal batteries)

[wintry kite]

DEAR GOD

[tacit peak]

i mean

[cunning swift]

why are there two binds for tb overload?
the top one doesn't seem to work

[tacit peak]

the laser ones could

[wintry kite]

Just "BE GONE"

[tacit peak]

@cerulean prairie ... 😟

wwhatare you

planning good sir...

😟

[rough shuttle]

idk if it works. in the clip they seem to despawn asoon as they get to far away, but mines as shown in the otherclip go flying across a third of a solar system (not joking)

[rough shuttle]

wait

maybe you need to hold the other keybind

and when you relese

it uses the ability

[wintry kite]

So... Now we got artillery that shoots mines...

[rough shuttle]

like a hold button that lets you charge and time it

[tacit peak]

lemme send you a newer one I made

[rough shuttle]

pretty much

wait

[wintry kite]

I am definitely making an experimental version

[coral cove]

Dm

[rough shuttle]

i need to test if it affects your own mines

[wintry kite]

If it doesn't... PAIN

Tho if it effected ALL, enemy or ally projectiles, it would automatically balance it

[pale python]

gonna test with new values

[pale python]

use hitscan and ignore consequences

[rough shuttle]

I found a very strange thing..

https://medal.tv/games/cosmoteer/clips/kkIK53u9pbQTFEFIj?invite=cr-MSwzY2EsMTc0MzAyMzcw

it seems like it affects ships normaly

but shields

holy shit why is it so aggresive

or maybe its because i was to close

https://medal.tv/games/cosmoteer/clips/kkIMlQw9RXuW3x2Lu?invite=cr-MSx1NUssMTc0MzAyMzcw

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-personal-kid-teleports-behind-you-megaman-battle-network-battle-network-megaman-exe-gif-25890807

[wintry kite]

It also gave it a TON of spin

[wintry kite]

We got full-on assassins now

[stuck roost]

Wasen't mentionned but large reactors got their fix whohooo

q

[lusty zealot]

oh nice

[rough shuttle]

Oh? What was wrong?

[pale python]

it was mentioned iirc

[stuck roost]

crew were insanely slow they got to pick up 3 size battrie the pick 4 size

[lusty zealot]

crew picking up batteries from OC large reactors would first fill up a 3-size battery, then discard it immediately when full, then pick up the size-4 battery they're meant to

[cunning swift]

that was fixed before this patch wasn't it?

[rough shuttle]

That explains why medium cores performed better in one of my ships rather than an overclocked large. I noticed the crew took ages to actually get the power from the reactor to my shields

[eager gyro]

it almost looks like the overload for the tractor beams vaporises nearby projectiles

[pale python]

yeah projectiles have extremly low weight because it never before had stuff that impacted its speed

[eager gyro]

interesting

this might be a better gif

[pale python]

infinite power

[eager gyro]

this is realy cool

lol

[rough shuttle]

Wait really?

[paper hemlock]

That is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen in this game

[eager gyro]

we realy need the ai to be able to use toggles for things

this and boosters are the main reason

[pale python]

overclocked small lasers are awesome

[paper hemlock]

The problem is how would the AI know when to use them

[buoyant vortex]

🎉

[quasi meteor]

lmao

[prisma dock]

PD is almost worthless now. Something seems to be wrong. There should not be that many missiles (I think it's close to 100% in this gif) getting through.

[paper hemlock]

I can’t really tell what’s going on

[plucky fossil]

are you junk

junk pd do not deal damaage

[prisma dock]

I have 24 PD guns. You can see that almost all missiles are getting through. And it's not even that many launchers. The PD guns don't seem to be aiming right.

[prisma dock]

No, I'm player 1. The PD doesn't seem to lead the projectiles correctly.

look at all the shots missing the last missile on the bottom.

[paper hemlock]

Stormtrooper aim

[prisma dock]

lol yea

but THEY'RE the imperium

Should I submit a bug report? I don't think it has previously been like this.

[remote charm]

yeah pd has been feeling a little off to me too

maybe im just gaslighting myself but this has been less effective than it would have been in prior versions

[paper hemlock]

Def

[remote charm]

60pd in a tunnel should make it so missiles dont get to be in the tunnel i think

[eager gyro]

it appears so

[paper hemlock]

Can they be effectively cooled by Heat Exchangers now?

When they did their salvos in the previous version there was too much heat even when using 1 laser

[eager gyro]

prity sure, this ship has adiquit heat dumping plus missiles for exesses

[wintry kite]

So... Star Wars xD

[eager gyro]

i haveint realy made many ships useing the overclocking stuff yet, but the 2 i have basicly have technicaly more heat removal then they need which helps when things get stressed due to being shot at

[granite sapphire]

still no ion buff/cg rework smh

[eager gyro]

the shotgun chaingun thing looked interesting

[granite sapphire]

GET OUT!!!!

[eager gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/boba-fett-mandalorian-slave1-seismic-charge-gif-19532400

feels like this now that i think about it

[remote charm]

shotgun ?

[wintry kite]

So uhhh remember what I said about artillery using mines? F it, I am making a cannon that shoots SHIPS

[paper hemlock]

I really don’t like the CG shotgun idea

[plucky fossil]

wait what is wrong w/ ur shields

[pale python]

btw i cant even see that crew speed is different tbh it looks natural to me right now

[eager gyro]

https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1374629394575917157

[pale python]

hmm

[eager gyro]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[paper hemlock]

Are your shields not OCed or is the graphic bugged

[plucky fossil]

too skinny to be unboosted

[eager gyro]

i think its probibly a grapigh bug, or i didint unpause when it loaded in

[remote charm]

i agree with yuuki in the sense that overclocked chainguns arent as fun or interesting as other overclocked weapons

[paper hemlock]

Same, I just feel the suggestion isn’t the right direction to go

Maybe instead of shooting immediately it ramped up and then shot once it’s at full speed

[remote charm]

yeah i dont think chainguns should be bursty in the way he is describing

feels less chaingunny imo

[woven aurora]

Ion buff is needed

Oc tb look beautiful

Would be neat if the power draw/heat generation scaled with distance like normal tb. If it doesn't already do that.

[marsh aurora]

I liked more the previous small and large laser blaster

[plucky fossil]

sl fits better with hitscan

[marsh aurora]

It would be nice if both becomed hitscan

Both becoming actuall lasers lol

[pale python]

[marsh aurora]

You can rotate them

And can't combine them

[flat skiff]

is the TB not supposed to impart any force on its own ship?

seems odd that it's just stationary

[pale python]

The overload icon shows up even if not overclocked

[near flax]

should be 15k-20k at a minimum

[pale python]

i suggest 25k#1374846924817174528 message

[near flax]

it may be a drag thing, when things go really fast drag can be weird

[vague aurora]

TB OVERCLOCK YIPPIE

[pale python]

uhhh idk

[vague aurora]

I KNEW IT WOULD BE A 360 EFFECT!

[near flax]

idk if it should be blocked/weakened by tall parts

[woven aurora]

Or increase it's effect? Idk

[near flax]

not increase it's effect

[woven aurora]

Why not?

I would think it has more to hit, and the weight is already calculated in?

[near flax]

let me rephrase, blocked or weakened by tall parts on your own ship

[woven aurora]

Ohh ok yeah I agree

[pale python]

interesting

i dont think this does anything though

[cunning swift]

seems odd that tb heat generation doesn't scale with distance like power use does

[prisma dock]

I dunno guys, does this seem normal? This doesn't look normal to me... PD is not doing dmg.

[granite sapphire]

lol did it bother you so much you felt the need to post it here

[granite sapphire]

well emps go twice as fast in preview

this was one of the bigger side effects of 1x speed that pd is much worse

[prisma dock]

Yes, but also it really seems like this should be enough shots to at least destroy 1 of them...

0 shot down is really odd

its just 3 EMPs vs 24 PD guns

[granite sapphire]

yeah, this happened last time too.

its a shame

[plucky fossil]

during beginning of preview pd worked pretyy well

i yhink something may have changed to make it work w/ tb overclock

[marsh aurora]

How much dps improvement in general should have a weapon when overclocked? cause the small laser blast has a huge improvement

[next urchin]

Technically they were just filling from a 2 size to a 4 size, rather than a 3-4. It just graphically looks like they discard it for a whole new battery

[lusty zealot]

ah

[granite sapphire]

it depends on a lot of things. sl is op, but it makes sense that it gets a lot of dps from oc as it kinda needs it to function anywhere near the effectiveness of other weapons past the earlygame.

[marsh aurora]

I think instead of a straight dps super buff, the old mechanic of burst damage was more interesitng

[prisma dock]

So... prisms don't explode anymore? Probably because they're hit by my incoming OC beam, which sets the dmg "inside" the prism to 0.

[dark lily]

I believe not exploding when channeling OC ions is a bug

[next urchin]

Oh, yeah, a bug I keep forgetting to fix lol

[prisma dock]

I'm not sure it's only OC beam related. Because as you can see, the incoming OC beam disperses at the choke point and creates lightning hitting the shield generators. I'm not sure the prism actually had the OC beam going into it when it explo... failed to explode upon death.

[pale python]

25 meters

[prisma dock]

What can you say about the PD doing seemingly very very little dmg?

[pale python]

large cannon overclock burrowing through 3 layers of armor is very very scary

[next urchin]

Nothing

[plucky fossil]

and it can oneshot the entire ship behind it

[next urchin]

I have no clue what's happening with PD. I haven't touched it

[lusty zealot]

i think it's more tapuck's issue as it's likely got to do with the halfspeed changes more than thermal stuff

[twilit matrix]

Only worse because it crashed, which of course will be resolved when meltdown becomes stable.

[pale python]

why did it crash ?

[near flax]

the pd aiming may likely be calibrated to old projectile speeds

[pale python]

but that usually is automatically handled by the game

oh sorry hmmm that too

[plucky fossil]

pd was working before this latest patch

[lusty zealot]

not well

[plucky fossil]

true

[tame comet]

honest to god real

im developing something and i forget like 30% of everything i do

and 30% of everything i need to do

[prisma dock]

Yes. I just tested it vs nukes and they shoot down nukes that are standing still while aiming just fine.

[narrow owl]

I made a radiator exhaust asmr video I will upload here tomorrow cuz no wifi

[next urchin]

Ty, I needed something to fall asleep to

[next urchin]

You reckon that's the Cosmoteer crew version of rain sounds

[next urchin]

I keep lists, but I think that only takes it from forgetting 90% to forgetting 30% lmao

[narrow owl]

rain sounds are fire

[pale python]

rain sounds that cause fire

[tame comet]

even with lists i still dementia andy pretty much everything

where would we be in society without the concept of writing things down

clearly this must mean we must add a notepad to every game

[plucky fossil]

sleeping during lightning storm with minimal wind & heavy rain \👍

[tame comet]

i absolutely adore thunderstorms when im inside, hate em when im outside

[narrow owl]

add notepad to cosmoteer plz plz plzzzzzz

[tame comet]

steam already has one

steam did most of the heavy lifting for us

[narrow owl]

oh good

[tame comet]

it takes a bit of finding but i promise its there

[rough dock]

Does the overclocked tractor beam do what I think it does?

It does not do what I thought it does, but still nice.

It would be cool of the tractor wave could repel missiles and other projectiles if timed right.

[tame comet]

thatd be neat if they didnt turn back around and act like i slapped them because they're homing

[plucky fossil]

it does

[rough dock]

Well, I guess it is cool then.

Now to make a ship that chain fires tractor pulses as armor, I guess.

[pale python]

it does but its very wacky

freezedown update preview

[delicate moss]

What the fuck