Meltdown Update Preview

[next urchin]

Not sure what you mean

It's so scorched parts don't stop a ship being considered killed for missions or whatever

less optimisation and more just I wanted scorched part to count the same as killing it

[plucky fossil]

"primarily"

[next urchin]

Dw, we know! It'll be introduced to the player far more slowly than this preview. Just wouldn't be very useful feedback-wise if we gated OC atm

[vague aurora]

I am sorry, I have not even had the slightest chance to even touch the new update, in fact this is the first time I've opened PC in over a week.

[muted junco]

yey

[narrow owl]

I agree, but some parts like small blasters really struggle being connected with pipes

[light stratus]

factories too

[mortal musk]

Anyone has any thoughts on overclocked chainguns? In theory they seem like a more offensive variant but I hsed them and they didn't really feel that much better

Maybe they could have a faster turn speed as they favour larger magazines which are harder to make horizontally

[tame comet]

i agree they felt kinda lacking even with like 20-40 mags

could be the half speed changes

[mortal musk]

Normal chainguns felt fine to me, but maybe

Even so they could be faster than normal ones, would go well with the idea of dealing damage faster from standstill

[eternal ibex]

i think this menu should default to being a little bit wider

[tranquil cape]

idk how useful it actually is
it makes ramping it up a ton more powerful but that requires building onto it a lot and it cant be made use of if you dont get past that threshold

[mortal musk]

Things is, for me it seemed that by the time it ramps up that much the fight is already almost over. I think oc chainguns much rather benefit from 2.5x ramp speed so they can destroy parts faster. I do agree that higher turn speed would take a bit from the building aspect of it, but maybe the heat itself makes up for that?

Oh and also the ammo consumption is insane anyway but thats another story

[robust hound]

I keep seeing comments about "power creep" and I'm kinda baffled tbh. Was this people's reaction to Ions or Deck Cannons being added initially?

The way I see it, an OC ship using the same weapons as it's contemporaries is 25% more expensive for all the heat management and twice as likely to catch fire, particularly if a radiator takes a stray hit.

Plus some designs run on a thermal battery with insufficient radiators and thus cannot run in perpetuity without risking a quite literal meltdown.

Also I really like the reduction in combat speeds in career, it means everything I fight isn't just a literal kiter.

[stuck roost]

@coarse spindle If you need it yourself, I found it under the ship builder tab in control settings

[next urchin]

It doesn't wrap for me. What do you have your gui scaling set to?

[eternal ibex]

150%

[robust hound]

It's doing it at 125% too.

Can components act as passthroughs for heat pipes? (E.g. having a Reactor with a heat pipe on either side)

[white acorn]

i noticed that when flying you come to a stop normaly when thrusters are overclocked but when you want to go to a POI and then fly to it the ship for some reason cant brake fast enough and fly past its POI

[brazen cove]

no unless they are specifically thermal capacitor missiles, to my knowledge

and probably TRBs too

[summer cypress]

Trbs can pass through power

[toxic junco]

The code doesn't work 😦

How di i get the update ?

*do

[white acorn]

it does 1 sec

previewpreview

paste this in

this should work

[toxic junco]

Already done that

[white acorn]

did you look in the beta tab now?

[toxic junco]

Yes

[white acorn]

there should be a new one called preview

[toxic junco]

Not showing up 😦

I have previous-build showing up

I have unstabe showing up

[white acorn]

this?

[toxic junco]

Not showing up

Maybe my steam app is not working

[white acorn]

just try again restart steam restart pc?

maybe

[toxic junco]

Ok

Ty

[white acorn]

np

[pale python]

interestingly some things in this preview i would never mod because of personal opinion of being unbalanced with the broader mods scene
(indirectly) damage the shield emitter, manifesting more power per battery from engine rooms,
proportional damage over time,

similar stuff

[toxic junco]

I also just saw that 0.29 is not showing up so its definitively steam not working

[pale python]

things are gonna get interesting

[brazen cove]

0.29 is the current game version, it shouldn't be showing up?

[brazen cove]

just to clarify, make sure:

• you put the code into the Private Betas text box and not anything else?
• you didn't put a space in before, after, or in the middle of the code?

[toxic junco]

It should on the normal page not on the betas

[pale python]

heat weapons going straight for the emitter is horrifying for my preconceived notions

[toxic junco]

Just done that

[brazen cove]

the "normal page?"

[white acorn]

diffrente language BUT NOT HERE

THIS ONE

[pale python]

anyway this is huge

[brazen cove]

what is the "normal page", the general settings? the store page? the default game page where you can press "play"?

[toxic junco]

The store page

[white acorn]

it should not be there

this

[toxic junco]

What ?

Yes !

[brazen cove]

why are you looking at the store page?

[white acorn]

the at last this

[toxic junco]

0.29 is not here meaning that my steam is broken

[brazen cove]

0.29 isn't there normally

[white acorn]

look in your game stuff

[toxic junco]

That why i can't get the meltdown beta

[white acorn]

meltdown is not 0.29

[toxic junco]

I know

[white acorn]

go here

then your game

idea show us what you see?

[toxic junco]

Im trying to put images on discord but i cant find where

😭

[white acorn]

just do prntscreen and ctrl+v

[toxic junco]

Sorry for the quality

[summer cypress]

0.29 is the current game version though, it shouldn't show up as a beta

[white acorn]

hmmm thats weird

[toxic junco]

EXACTLY

[summer cypress]

That... that's not where you input the code?

[toxic junco]

My steam doesn't want to update

[white acorn]

sry gtg eat after that ill try helping again if needed

[toxic junco]

Bro that just to show my steam doesn't update

[brazen cove]

oh wait i see

the major update is missing from the newsfeed

[summer cypress]

Are you 100% sure that you selected the preview beta?

[toxic junco]

There is no preview beta showing up

[summer cypress]

huh

[brazen cove]

try restarting steam or your computer

[toxic junco]

Ok

[brazen cove]

yes that all looks correct

[toxic junco]

So where preview ?

Wait steal is updating

*steam

Hopefuly it will fix my problem

[brazen cove]

you enter in "previewpreview" (no quotation marks) into the rectangle just below "Betas privees" and it will either give you access or say that the code is invalid

if it works then there should be a blue button you can click on to switch to the preview and/or the preview should be available in the list

[tranquil cape]

SELF and FREINDLIES

[pale python]

those were a thing

[tranquil cape]

does it have this for weapon targeting detection

[pale python]

i unno

[robust hound]

Does the Railgun OC need a heat pipe per component or does heat passthrough the entire body?

[pale python]

passthrough

i hope they add different icons for passthrough like factorio pipes having the 2 way icons being 2 little arrows per side

or just moddable icons /colors for the same purpose

[bitter steppe]

thankfully you only need to connect one single pipe to the rail, anywhere along its length

[robust hound]

Good to know, I was worried I'd have to make an entire spine of heat pipe for the railgun (though it's also great for other things like automating small thrusters)

[bitter steppe]

well, almost anywhere, any of the valid connection points

[mild gazelle]

@granite sapphire 6 dialators vs 2 decreases ttk by about a second, from ~6.7 to ~5.5

left is 6 dialators

[near flax]

now that we have AOE Display (currently for Heat Exchangers) could we get a Deck Cannon Stun range AOE display

preferably for both normal and OC

[plucky fossil]

literally just a stat up for pretty cheap

[toxic junco]

Guys it worked tysm

Sorry i was buzy irl

[white acorn]

have fun playing

[white acorn]

np

[toxic junco]

Ty 😄

Have a great day !

[narrow blade]

how unbalanced would reactors and capacitors being heat parts (as in heat can flow through them 2 ways)

[bitter steppe]

Part of the design philosophy for overclocks was for them to be different, not just "X but better".
Chainguns are.... in a strange spot, I don't feel like the OC is impactful enough, but how else do you make them interesting?

[narrow blade]

what if chainguns get normal bullets that can be shot down but in exchange they have penetration

[pale python]

hear me out

even faster ramp up, but increasing spread

[narrow blade]

quirky chaingun rammer meta

[plucky fossil]

true!!

[pale python]

oh yeah aw dangit

[plucky fossil]

or maybe get more accurate as they ramp up

[pale python]

ok so

new idea

overclocking allows crew to also put in batteries in magazines

actually no restrict it to only the main part that makes it more challanging

[narrow blade]

what if... the batteries would add velocity to the super normal chaingun bullets so it would be more quirky to shoot down and stuff like stupid

[narrow blade]

this

[pale python]

energy shot with more damage at further range

[narrow blade]

but... but... thats... boring!!!

[pale python]

its EVIL ion beam it deals MORE damage at long range and is a spread instead of focus

[narrow blade]

gambling simulator

also it would be very beneficial towards my sanity if overclocked stuff would turn immediately to overclocked if stuff is restocked of smth

[vocal trout]

lightning cg clearly

[pale python]

true! beam penetration of lightning cg or something would be interesting if it

instead of shooting 1/4th bullets it shot full ones

full slugs

i can make a lot of ideas in quick sucession idk if thats a good quality of me or not

[plucky fossil]

super high knockback maybe

[pale python]

chainrail

fr

[plucky fossil]

splash chhain

[summer cypress]

i'm not sure if this will be that crazy of a sentiment, but i think a full heat system and overclocking will become standard on my ships manned by more than like 15 people

[dark vault]

does the preview build include the painting enhancements of 0.29.0?

[pale python]

some

[random oyster]

Been fiddling with the update and I must say the added complexity to managing heat pipes as well as crew/power cells I think is the little bit of special sauce I feel the game was missing.

[narrow blade]

why did my large shields just randomly fucking explode????

mines also make every single shield turn the entire ship into a bunch of flames which is bullshit!!!!

[marsh aurora]

I got an idea for a Chaingun alternative when overclocked.

• No longer beam type. Instead is now a projectile.
• Reduced range from 240m to 180m
• Reduce firerate to 1. It slowly increases up to 3.
• It now shots 4 bullets (pellets) simultaneously. It slowly increases up to 12 pellets.
• It now has 3m penetration. It slowly increases to 9m.
  No idea how much spread should it have, not too much as spread isn't a good thing in cosmoteer.
  At max speed and max multishoot it shoots 36 pellets per second instead of 30 bullets per second. It has just slightly more DPS, but the 9m penetration is what really makes the difference.

Maybe, to simplify, only the firerate would ramp up and the multishot and penetration should remain as a fixed value. If they are fixed, multishot at 4 would be nice (as normally chaingun has a 1 to 4 ammo split)

[narrow blade]

idk about a projectile shotgun imo a projectile with penetration would work fine

[marsh aurora]

We have no shotgun, so it would at minimum be interesting

[narrow blade]

wouldnt small cannon work fine as a shotgun?

or smth

[summer cypress]

an alternative i thought of was perhaps it could fire without ammo at the cost of a massive heat per shot

[narrow blade]

so just free ammo

[marsh aurora]

That is weird considering it is a bullet weapon

If it were an energy weapon that could work

[narrow blade]

you cant just have like 20 radiators and infinitely fire a chaingun?

[summer cypress]

true

[marsh aurora]

The heat could scale exponentially

[narrow blade]

and what would happen

does it just... explode

one burst of like 30 seconds or smth and then it explodes

[marsh aurora]

I still prefer my idea of an automatic shotgun with penetration

[summer cypress]

it would get super hot to the point it would overload the heat system, then the ship would start melting if it wasnt turned off

[narrow blade]

so you manually turn it off?

that sounds literally awful

• would completely invalidate usage of oc chainguns for ai ships right

[summer cypress]

either manual turnoff or auto turnoff once it overloaded the heat system

[regal plume]

Overclocking of small reactors might need some tweaking. 🤔
While the tooltip implies it's 400 heat/s it's actually just 178 heat/power unit, meaning a single radiator is enough for 3 power/s, giving you something able to sustain shields though even very large amounts of sustained attack.
A little <70k ship like this punches at weight class 100k, due to ability to sustain a shield at over 3000hp/s (limited by crew in this case) while dishing out 2000hp/s in damage, enough to simply overwhelm ships with small reactors.

[narrow blade]

cant you just overclock the shield

[regal plume]

overclocking the shield seems bad at this weight class

requires far too much heat management and the shield arc gets too small

[marsh aurora]

Any idea how much will cost the heat parts tech?

[plucky fossil]

just make jt so that the mags can be force fed as it's being fired

[marsh aurora]

Overclocked small laser blaster has almost twice as much dps, right?

[regal plume]

3x

[marsh aurora]

...

Normal is 500 damage every 0.67 so 333.3 dps
Overclocked is 500 damage in a 6 bullets burst every 3+3 seconds so 500 dps

[marsh aurora]

That dps doesn't includes the interval (cooldown between burst)

[narrow blade]

yea

[marsh aurora]

So that isn't real dps

That is just the burst dps

[narrow blade]

what! this is... unbeleivable

[marsh aurora]

No idea how much the heat tech would cost, but a single radiator is already too much for a starting ship

[narrow blade]

but wouldnt it be like 500 dps since its like 6 second cycles (3 second burst of 3k damage, 3 seconds interval in burst)

[marsh aurora]

Ops yeah

[regal plume]

eh? no

take a stopwatch

you'll find it fires every 3 seconds

(I literally just did that to be sure)

it's genuinely 1000 dps

[narrow blade]

omfg these stats are so bullshit how am i supposed to understand this shit

[regal plume]

it probably needs some more specific tooltips...
e.g. a "Burst rate of fire" entry

[narrow blade]

yea

[limpid flare]

does increasing the dilation lower the damage per tile?

[bitter steppe]

in a way, yes, as the damage pool is spread over a larger area

so if you want to use TRBs to actually deal damage it's best to have some Amps

[brisk lichen]

my power is a little confused

[narrow blade]

looks fine to me

[kind estuary]

also keep in mind that crew cannot pick up smaller sized batteries. I had a few design errors where i was emptying 3 OC capacitors, and redlining a small reactor even though the power drain was only 60% of the supply of that reactor. the problem was that crew were taking size 3 batteries to supply the 1 missing power in 7 shields effectively tripling their drain.

This was a new design challenge that didnt exist before so had to rethink positioning and other compensation methods to deal with it.

[narrow owl]

That was a problem for me when I tried doing a canister only ship, had to turn off the shields off combat and the capacitors, so they wouldn't heat up, but on later iterations I would pick up 2 radiators to deal with the issue

[granite sapphire]

my creature freighter from the excelsior career coop 2.0

overclocked large thrusters give it a top speed of roughly 90 m/s

overclocked mining lasers give blazing fast salvage and mining

[granite sapphire]

im still a fan of the shotgun idea

shotgun/burst imo wouldnt particularly matter, basically just changing rampup to a mechanic where you fire a spray/shotgun burst of concentrated higher spread bullets

[narrow owl]

I think the chaingun when OC should not fire faster but fire all "barrels" at once creating a shotgun effect, like 6 bullets/shot but 2x slower fire rate

[granite sapphire]

the number of pellets should be like maybe 4 mags worth around with very few mags while increasing based on your mag count, which would get rounded up or down to divide evenly between ur total mags

[narrow owl]

iirc 6 bullets is 2 mags, 4 mags is 12 bullets

[granite sapphire]

so like with 4 mags you get 2 bursts but with the usual 15 mags or so you might get 4 bursts of more concentrated shells

[granite sapphire]

sounds reasonable

this would definitely change how you build cg rammers with making short mags with front facing guns at least viable while not overly punishing high mag traditional setups

i think we could also do a spraying burst instead of a shotgun blast which would be functionally similar while making more sense for chainguns and being a bit more readable

a mag fed rotary cannon wouldnt really be able to fire an actual shotgun blast no matter how hard you overclocked it realistically

[lusty zealot]

iirc each chaingun mag holds 4 ammo and a chaingun uses 0.25 ammo per shot

[limpid flare]

this update was needed

actual breath of fresh air and makes it so, so much more interesting

you have to deal with consequences and maybe build in even more redundancy

[wicked lotus]

Imagine OC Small Cockpits generating their own power. Then we could legit have no Reactor small ships running on Thermals alone and cannons lol.

[limpid flare]

still kind of funny in-universe heat can be moved out regardless of the temperature gradient, but installling a couple cables is too much effort

[twilit matrix]

I think the problem is that batteries are too powerful for the cables to handle.

And, honestly, that's one of the better explanations in my opinion.

[paper hemlock]

The only way I'd be fine with this is if it generated a lot of heat

It is very cool but I feel it'd be OP

Or I guess it is very hot

[robust hound]

Depends at what stage of the game they want you to unlock them at. You'll probably see something like this;

• Radiator (Pre-requisite for all other Heat techs): 3,000cr (Unlocks Radiator, Heat Pipe Walkthrough & Heat Pipes)
• Heat Exchanger: 5,000cr
• Thermal Battery: 5,000cr
• Thermal Canister Missiles (Requires Missile Launcher): 7,500cr
• Thermal Resonance Beam (Requires Large Blaster): 10,000-15,000cr (Keeping in line with the Ion)

Also doesn't a Disruptor cost as much as a Radiator?

I'm pretty sure that's another hypercoil using component.

[paper hemlock]

This but it'd either be a blueprint for overclocking before radiator or it'd be paired with the radiator

[robust hound]

I'd argue it'd be the first time I've seen a UI button locked behind an unlock, but then I remember that EMP Missiles, Mines and Nukes exist, and arguably operate on a similar system.

Eitherway, it'll be interesting to see where Overclocks come into the career.

But I am enjoying my little OC'd Model S.

[paper hemlock]

If OC isn't locked behind a blueprint I can already see new players seeing a button for making your parts work better and then seeing their ship go in flames

[robust hound]

He's just a neat little guy

[robust hound]

Hahaha, touché.

It'd be neat if overclocked components automatically disable after overheating for the first time, or give an indicator of "fire risk", so people get some indication that maybe I need a radiator or something.

A new icon that is basically 'this component is uncooled and will set itself ablaze'

Would also make finding separated OC'd parts easier.

[paper hemlock]

A warning would also work when you try to OC for the first time

[robust hound]

(Say you rebuild the corridor leading to a thruster and forget to turn off overclocking on it)

I had this happen once with my goofy little starter railgun platform (fixed in this picture) where I had the heat pipe in the wrong place and was wondering why it detonated itself after three shots.

an indicator to say "this part isn't being cooled" would be a useful indicator that I'm about to fall on my own quite literal sword.

[near flax]

or it included in the blueprint description

[robust hound]

The description you only see when you go to save or load a ship? XD

Kinda redundant.

Ohhh, you mean blueprint mode.

(Like missing fire extinguisher, missing airlock)

[near flax]

career blueprint part description when you unlock a new part

it may be difficult to make work considering parts may be cooled by heat exchangers (for your suggestion)

[robust hound]

I just wonder if this is the start of other piped systems, imagine making ion pumps and amplifiers a-la From the Depths.

Or an entire particle accelerator cannon.

(And then imagine the pipe hell that'll be trying to overclock ontop of that)

[narrow owl]

oh yeah 16 shots per mag I think that's reasonable to have shotgun shot per mag

[prisma dock]

Come on now, to compare it with something as absurd as wireless power is not called for. I even mentioned that I understand that heat logistics are supposed to be a challenge, but that they're already challenging enough (still takes a lot of room and careful consideration which parts to overclock), even without the competition between doors and heat pipes.

[carmine heron]

as much as I like autoconnecting pipes I wish I could also manually set a pipe's shape so I dont get this when I don't want it

[cunning swift]

What would it be instead?

[quasi meteor]

they might want to have two separate heat systems instead of everything being part of the same system just cause the pipes are adjacent

[vocal trout]

whats the benefit of splitting here?

(perhaps this could also be a funny use for crossings)

[lusty zealot]

i think it's largely an aesthetic thing as well

the pipe connection points don't seem to be paintable, and even if they were are a quite repetitive roof texture

[carmine heron]

im completely fine with the connections not being paintable, its just even the extra pipe sticking up makes it feel too repetitive. so in cases like my screenshot where I didnt need each of those connection itd be nice to toggle some of the pipes from connecting to certain things

[vocal trout]

aye fair

[twilit matrix]

By the way, what's the overclock benefit of boost thrusters? I can't remember.

[lusty zealot]

they can have power put into them while boosting

[pale python]

infinite- inf infininte (power)

[granite sapphire]

evil little career trb brawler

[lusty zealot]

4amp 2dilate?

nice

btw there's a bit of asymmetry just above the EMP launchers

[lusty zealot]

oh wait, 6amp, the beams obscured a couple

[carmine heron]

I made this thing for my faction lol, just 2 powered up TRB

at least yours has another weapon

lol

[lusty zealot]

my intuition says that there's probably some way to save on pipes at the back there but thinking about it i don't really see that way

[lusty zealot]

hey, that looks solid

plus, you do have other weapons, lots of PD

[carmine heron]

I can see a way to. youll need to extend the back out 1 tho

[tulip nebula]

Did someone tried to get heat from different ship with heat exchanger?

Also, does the sun now deals heat damage or still the same as before?

[lusty zealot]

would have to cut a thermal battery

[lusty zealot]

sun does not deal heat damage yet, iirc it's on the devs' plans

don't believe exchangers can take from other ships

[tulip nebula]

Just curious cuz me dont have access

-# ehem

[carmine heron]

nope

uh, lemme try and recreate

i could be wrong

[lusty zealot]

you can get access

beta code is previewpreview

[carmine heron]

recreated

saves 6 pipes and makes room for armor but the ships butt a bit bigger

[grim gyro]

🙁

lmao i hadnt scrolled down until i sent that

[lusty zealot]

ah, nice

[granite sapphire]

pipes inside so i dont have critical pipeage on the very outside of my ship wherever possible

[granite sapphire]

i cant make it wider really because of the thrusters

[carmine heron]

not wider, longer

[grim gyro]

this could also work

[hard owl]

Does the heat only increase the speed of the rail gun particle?

Or does it also increase the damage?

[lusty zealot]

i assume you mean the overclock, as heat itself does not have any affect on railguns

overclocked railguns do notably more damage and also have infinite penetration (only stopping when they run out of damage), making them a lot better at breaking through armour and shields

[tame comet]

i really dont know how to feel about that whole anti shield thing because against large rails or deck guns what are you supposed to do

like 6 oc'd deck cannons broke 3 large shields instantly but that could be oc deck cannons being stupid strong even after their nerf

[lusty zealot]

yeah they're turning out to be difficult to manage

how's OC flak vs them?

[tame comet]

havent tried oc flak, but i should try since you asked

[tame comet]

i did some testing and they kinda suck against OC deck cannons.

All are overclocked. flak is set to defense only and autofire for the purpose of this test, and is totally stationary for the best results. deck cannons are set to double barrel. both flak and deck start firing at the same time (in the case of dc they just fire once and assess afteR)

4 flak vs 7 dc

the dcs win literally every time except when the flak are given like 5 seconds to set up a giant wall. but this quickly dies to an extra volley. unless you stand still and set up a wall this isnt practical at all. it just isnt viable to use flak this late. i tried with it actually moving around and it was a total failure.

8 flak vs 7 dc

dcs still break through if shot immediately (whats likely to happen) and deal heavy, but not critical damage it did in this case but the cockpit is at the front because im lazy. you're likely to survive the first hit but the hit after you will die to. they can probably break even if you stand still and build up a giant wall but otherwise its not worth

12 flak vs 7 dc

the flak barely win, and you totally fuck yourself by having no shields unless you build small shields properly. if you build a wall nothing can get through, but i dont think its worth being weak to ions and chainguns for that wall.

id definitely test more, but im lazy and kinda burnt out on cosmo. my best answer is probably touch oc dc's more and maybe give flak something, because rn they're a bit weird and gimmick-y
-# ping should be fine here yes?

i was very lenient on flak here as i dont think in most scenarios you'll have enough time to actually stop moving and build a wall of shrapnel

most battles will also be moving around if its regular ai, so the wall may be even less effective

[lusty zealot]

yeah ping was fine, thanks for the testing and feedback

will keep in mind

[tame comet]

i ask that you get more advice before doing any tweaking, i did controlled and conducted tests and this may skewer results versus something more natural

[timid vapor]

Overclocking small thrusters can make some very efficient drones since they generate their own power

[muted junco]

a fokin nightmare

entire vessel is overclocked

[tame comet]

hey speaking of, what balance concerns would arise from making an overclocked cockpit create its own power?

[timid vapor]

no idea, but if i dont use energy weapons, the one capacitor can last a long time

[muted junco]

isolated cockpit surrounded by stupid amount of armor

or as i like to call it

Chinese missile barrage move

[tame comet]

crew still needs to get there, and you can still kinda do that

my only concern is like

starter ships will have like 15k extra

[muted junco]

how about

it gives more command points :3

or
slightly more view range

[tame comet]

[tame comet]

sensor does this

it sucks lol

[muted junco]

tru

oh

mother fu-

[tame comet]

it goes from 800 visual to 1200

yes that is a 50% increase but it generates a lot of heat and it doesnt feel worth

i think you need 1-2 whole radiators for it alone

[muted junco]

partition to extend max railgun range to 800 meters

[tame comet]

partition

do you mean petition

[muted junco]

yeha

i cant type well rhwn tired

[tame comet]

dw

[muted junco]

i need to slep

[delicate moss]

Y’all.. the second most discussed post to this here has less than HALF the messages

Honestly nuts what it’s gonna be like when this update goes fully live

[stuck roost]

I love how messy and scrappy this looks!

It's intresting what we can do with the new paint

[timid vapor]

aww thanks!
i love the junk style

working on a factory ship for them

[stuck roost]

This makes me laugh a lot because when I saw it for the first time I instantly thought it was by far the single most mendatory thing on any ships

We might have a different way of playing the game, which would explain this difference. I usually play in large fleet battles against a player or an AI and I can guarantee that seeing even a little further in the fog of war is, as for any RTS, an absolute beast

[tame comet]

oh yes absolutely we play different. i usually make one ship do most of the fighting in direct control if im in singleplayer

so that makes sense

i think its fine then

[weary sparrow]

MFW I tested the TCM on a ship and realized how damn efficient those are as a active cooling system while you still have a descent weapon

[tame comet]

also what's the difference between the heat pump thing and dilation for the trb?

[boreal estuary]

what does this do?

[timid vapor]

walkway to the factory so crew can restock it before it launches

[tame comet]

restock what?

theres no door

[timid vapor]

the capacitor mostly

[tame comet]

[boreal estuary]

either the thruster is missing a door or something else is missing

[timid vapor]

use an explosive charge to blow up the walkway and disconnect it

[tame comet]

thats a corridor

oh ok

[boreal estuary]

what factory?

oh

[regal sand]

You are forgetting the clouds.
In electron clouds (where you can only detect enemy at visual range), seing the enemy further away allow you to engage potentially unfavourable fights or engaging in unfavourable conditions (like with your back facing them), and for non-combat ship to avoid fights altogether.
Within gazeous clouds it allow to shoot further away. Though still not at missile range, overclocked sensors allow you to see a bit further than 350m away, so far away enough to use your ion at maximal range without needing another ship.
Whenever it is as a fleet or as a single ship, there are quite a lot of advantages in overclocked sensors.
.
Also, a small scout ship of 6 crew, a cockpit and a sensor with overclocked small thrusters is now mandatory for me now, as on top of it’s exploration and detection capabilities, putting it at the center of an asteroid field allow you to see and to queue up every asteroid inside it before your mothership even get here.
Entire minutes of wandering inside asteroid fields doing nothing but that removed for only 6 crew and a small quantity of materials.

[wispy bone]

For OC flak, I've found it's actually best to set them to offensive. They'll shoot the front of the enemy ship and create a massive flak wall without needing to do to much. I've shut down some friends ships with some flak. The counter being just run the flak ship down

[narrow blade]

wadafak

[paper hemlock]

So it conserves some coils to be put back in?

[narrow blade]

this does not seem right

i dont think it conserves coils since nothing else does that

[paper hemlock]

So then does it just make coils?

[narrow blade]

i think it would just... say like coil use: 4/processor

instead of outputting 0.6 coils per second

[plucky fossil]

pretty sure it just says coils instead of processor at the top

[lusty gulch]

Probably just misspelled

Imo just test what it Outputs ^^

[narrow blade]

i did

[prisma dock]

Overclocked Ions feel kinda weak. It takes these 16 overclocked Ions (6 outputs) about 10 seconds longer to destroy the Shestopyor's reactor than it takes the same setup without overclocking. Sure, they're essentially destroying more blocks, but I suspect a slight buff to dmg might be in order.

(this test is at x4 speed)

[pale python]

visual bug/sheninigan or is it reaching much deeper than it looks?

[prisma dock]

the former

[pale python]

as in the first?

[prisma dock]

Btw, I revoke my previous statement. (#1370799036591898837 message) Heat Ions are insane vs shields.

[prisma dock]

yes

this is at 1x speed

[lusty zealot]

amplification pumps increase the amount of heat the TRT applies, dilation pumps increase the area over which that heat is applied (and also have more of an affect on the strength of their shield debuff)

[lusty zealot]

yeah they have a lot of damage, it's just not as focused, so you can't dig through armour as well

though if they're spreading damage you'll probably be better off

[pale python]

how odd

[prisma dock]

That makes me think perhaps it's best to have minimal venting + some heat storage, so that you can quickly turn on overclocking for a short while to break shields when needed.

kinda like an Ion Capacitor, just not as cool

[prisma dock]

See, if you can spot the moment overclock is turned on. 😉
(that's 16 ions with 6 outputs)

[regal plume]

Does it burn?

[dense jay]

So I've been messing around with making a 1.5mill ship relying solely on small thrusters and I've noticed some fps drops

Haven't really had problems with anything else so I thought I'd make a comment.

[prisma dock]

interesting. how does it compare to regular thrusters?

[rough dock]

Looks hot.

[paper hemlock]

The game doesn't really expect you to use 1000 fucking small thrusters

The amount of particles must be insane

[rough dock]

I feel like it is way easier running ions off of overclocked small and medium reactors than it is running them off large.

[tranquil wedge]

yea youre not alone https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1373753851248644147

[dense jay]

Its decent, a bit slower then an actual engine room setup but its pretty maneuverable

[prisma dock]

Honestly, that sounds like a bit of a problem. Maybe small OC thrusters should get a slight nerf?

[dense jay]

well the main draw back is it doesn't have enough power regen to go for long periods

or maybe I'm wrong after looking at it again huh

[dense jay]

I think their fine honestly. It takes a massive amount of space to get a decent amount of speed from OC small thrusters.

[regal sand]

small thrusters flicker if you don't feed them, even with Oc (0.02/s, generate 0.009/s)

[prisma dock]

maybe you're right.

[regal sand]

and their power to weight ratio isn't that good if you need to add heat pipes to maintain them

[prisma dock]

the power to weight ratio was what I'm mostly worried about. It seems pretty good.

[regal plume]

Of potential interesting: looks like OC Ion is around 3000dps vs armor
(though the spread makes it rather bad

[regal sand]

All Oc Thrusters have insane power-to-weight ratio. Without accounting for the heat system weight, Oc small trusters have a power to weight ratio of over 600, but the others are above 725, and large especially have a p/w ratio of 801. If we take the weight of the heating system in consideration, the result get worse for small thrusters

and again, small thrusters flicker if not feed in energy

[regal plume]

noticeably less against shields though, around 1100dps

[marsh aurora]

I just realized that Engine Room forces overclocking to thrusters , but when you stop overclocking it, the thrusters keep overclocked

[prisma dock]

Yes, OCing is supposed to save weight when used with thrusters. But from what I've been told, OCed thrusters are not supposed to be strictly superior. So, you need to compare OCed small thrusters to all non-OCed thrusters and ask, if it's too strong compared to those too.

[prisma dock]

I have tested one of Plaus' ships that only use OCed small thrusters. It was an avoider that got up to ~100m/s. That'd be a problem, if it never runs out of energy (which it does).

[prisma dock]

Wouldn't it be the same dps, just with armor it's spread out?

[regal plume]

No, the chaining needs a second-third thing to chain to

[regal sand]

I'd worry much more about Oc boost thrustes and it's ability to be fed on energy while being boosted. 12k of thrust on boost, so the equivalent of 3 whole huge thrusters, for each one you maintain.

[regal plume]

How exactly lightning works seems underspecified 🤔

[plucky fossil]

it's not particle issue

[prisma dock]

OC boosters create more and more heat, the longer you feed it batteries. Eventually it overpowers any radiator setup.

[marsh aurora]

I saw this on shields
IsOperationalOverclocked requires

• IsOperational
• IsOverclocked

OverclockedEffectToggle requires

• OverclockTweenToggle
• IsOperationalOverclocked (the previous one)

IsOperationalOverclockedOverloaded requires

• IsOperational
• IsOverloaded
• OverclockedEffectToggle (the previous one)
  So as you can see IsOperational is redundant as it was already asked before

[prisma dock]

So, because shields are too far away from other parts, the lightning doesn't chain?

[granite sapphire]

oc ions struggle vs shields without support

[marsh aurora]

If you have multiple layers of shields they penetrate them, right?

[regal sand]

Heat is not the limitation. Feeding it energy is the one. If you try to put even a single standard thruster on it's engine room, you wont be able to supply it in time in energy to maintain it much more than a dozen of seconds.
If you make an engine room dedicated to feed a single boost thruster, you can basically have it on boost for more than 45s with two radiators and 1 thermal battery, then stop it a few second to start again. It's also cheaper and lighter than huge thrusters (36.2k & 27.8T at the cheapest against 42.2k & 42T for a triple huge thruster engine room), and two of those are enough to move a brick of 3000T at around 59m/s (itself included)

[versed bridge]

I'm sorry, I'm sure this has been asked, but when is this coming out like full release?

[tame comet]

probably not soon!

lot of stuff needs to be touch up'd and balanced

[plucky fossil]

when it's ready ;) so submit good bug reports/feedback asap

[paper hemlock]

This might not even be 0.30

[pale python]

0.58

[limpid flare]

my god railguns are ridiculous

railguns NEED to be nerfed my god

railgun kiting is stupid now

[plucky fossil]

are you fighting ai which has no concept of "dodge"

[granite sapphire]

oc ions are so weak 😭

cant focus fire at all and they do no damage to top it off

arc dmg 200->240 imo maybe 220 if we are scared

[plucky fossil]

overclock large cannon needs some change - no other weapon is so absurdly hit or miss depending on defenses (shieldless + thin/no armor means single shot is death) and it literally takes 1 bullet to kill an entire pvp ship

[next urchin]

That's sorta the point of it, though. It might be too strong atm, but it's intended to be akin to hollow-point rounds

[tame comet]

i also want to say i think oc dcs are still a bit strong against shields

they're very easy to stack and 6 oc dcs immediately kill 3 full charge LS. the only counter is oc flak but that feels like power creep. they're too fast for conventional weaponry to actually shoot down in time and have too much health to shoot down

[granite sapphire]

is the point that its overpowered and one-threeshots everything

[plucky fossil]

it makes shields practically mandatory if you don't want your entire ship penetrated

[granite sapphire]

i mean ofc its a high damage punchy slow firing weapon

but like balance and gameplay experiencehas to be considered

[plucky fossil]

one of my ships with missiles in the back gets consistently shot through the pd wall "wings" in front

[tame comet]

hey... this gives me an idea...

[plucky fossil]

at least rails do not kill the entire ship at once

[next urchin]

"Shieldless + thin/no-armour" doesn't sound like "everything"

[hazy umbra]

Perhaps good to reduce speed, hollow point aint as fast as ap (even if space has no drag)

[granite sapphire]

well it one to threeshots literally everything ive seen

[hazy umbra]

Also perhaps weaken the round health to make non oc PD systems viable

[granite sapphire]

even heavily defended and armored ships

[hazy umbra]

since it seems to be extra HE it should ideally be more susceptible to PD due to more volatility

[crimson osprey]

That hasn't been my experience

[prisma dock]

I'm gonna have to do some testing, but what you say sounds kinda dubious when compared to what the tooltip says. According to the tooltip the boost generates not only 412,5 base heat/s, but also 15% more heat every second for every battery that was consumed while boosting. So after 1 battery it's +15% heat/s, after 2 batteries it's +30% heat/s and so on. And you likely won't have just a single booster either and maybe you'll even have an overclocked ER (which doubles all produced heat) in order to have a central energy delivery point close to the reactor instead of 2-3 delivery points.

All this to say, there's no way you can keep even just a single booster boosting for 45s. For even just 1 booster without an ER to boost for 45s, you'd be paying +450% heat/s (because the first 6 batteries are "free", so after ~37,5s you'll start paying the steadily increasing heat tax) which at ~1237,5 heat/s already requires 3 radiators...

[bitter steppe]

I think you're misunderstanding the mechanic a bit, the heat scales per battery used but only start scaling up after the 6 batteries are used

[prisma dock]

I thought they're weak too at first. Then I tested them against shields and holy hell, they're really good against shields.

[prisma dock]

I factored that in (even mentioned it in my post)

[bitter steppe]

but there's nothing about scaling heat/sec, it's based on batteries used

[granite sapphire]

non-overclocked shields yeah

[prisma dock]

According to the tooltip you pay +15% heat per battery used. So for each battery used that's 275 * 0,15 = 41,25 heat/s extra. Which, if you do the math, will lead to roughly 1237,5 heat/s after 45s, factoring in tat it takes about 7,5s to deplete the first 6 batteries which are "free".

[granite sapphire]

but i could compare any overclocked weapon/ship against a pre-oc build and in that vacuum it would perform amazingly

in a world where quite optimized oc shield setups and generally overclocked ships exist oc ions struggle

they simply lack the brute force to make up for their historic levels of imprecision

[prisma dock]

OCed shields are dangerous. A damage spike produces an equivalently huge heat spike, which is probably more than you're willing to pay for in heat ventilation. So, at most I'd expect a couple of shields to be overclocked, but not all of them, like on the ion/TRB ship you posted on Excelsior.

[granite sapphire]

you know what oc ions cant do?

a damage spike

[prisma dock]

Look at the gif I posted above. If you leave on the overclocked Ions, you see they do a massive amount of damage. Sure, that's not a dmg spike, but that's a lot of heat that you'll have to vent. And it's an equation favorable to your opponents heat ventilation.

[granite sapphire]

ive significantly upgraded (more like entirely built a new) cruiser with 20 oc ions and a single 8 dilator trb and its still questionable against shields (though better) and horrid vs anything else

[granite sapphire]

youre testing against an entirely overclocked setup of just 4 large shields off a single lr without any damage spreading

also are those ions ocd?

they uhh dont look like it

[prisma dock]

I assume you tested it against overclocked shields? How many radiators did the OC shields setup need to vent all that heat you were pumping into them? I can't imagine it's a reasonable number of radiators.

[granite sapphire]

youre disregarding the fact enemy players can invest in heat storage instead of pure radiators and spread damage

[prisma dock]

look closely. In the gif they're at first normal and then they switch to overclocking to demonstrate the difference.

[granite sapphire]

perfectly concentrated constant damage output is the complete best case scenario and nobody will let that happen

[granite sapphire]

gif isnt loading for me

its just a still image

[prisma dock]

you probably need to click on it to make it play then

[granite sapphire]

these are conclusions ive drawn through thorough gameplay testing vs real players

[granite sapphire]

not working

i believe you anyways, that they can break through 4 large shields. that isnt the issue with them

[prisma dock]

I have done (limited) testing of overclocked shields and I was struggling to vent all the heat, even when I was also using a reasonable amount of heat storage.

I will have to do more testing, but that is my impression so far. That heat shields are freaking dangerous.

[granite sapphire]

well thats because oc shields are never placed on a completely static platform taking constant massive damage output

theyre placed on hybrid setups/highly mobile ships that can spread damage/disengage and manage heat

[prisma dock]

That has always been the case and thus we're back to ramming vs dodging.

[granite sapphire]

well we're actually back to "ls is overpowered" which has been a relevant and constant argument in the pvp community p much since they were added

[prisma dock]

In any case, when you say "OC Ions are weak", the fact remains that they have considerably higher dps than regular ions, OC shields are very difficult to vent on a budget, and any situation where in a tournament an Ion Rammer would end up catching their opponent in a ram head on (you know the situations where a constant stream of ions is hitting the exact same spot over prolonged times) they'll either destroy or burn up and then destroy their target.

[granite sapphire]

no way to guarantee a ramlock vs many ships

or even get one at all really

[prisma dock]

So, then you're arguing that OC ions are weak, if they can't hit their target... I mean...

[granite sapphire]

clearly not what i said. not much point to continue this discussion due to how differently we have each acquired our points of view on the matter. i suppose ill wait until the dust settles and the more egregious balance issues get sorted before oc ions get buffed

a shame but understandable. just sucks devs had to go and emergency nerf their damage by a whole 33%

[sharp root]

you can actually get very sturdy cooling for OC LS with a budget
I have an OC ship with 8 OC LS, and 44 radiators + 26 thermal batteries that fits within 1.5mil
also with half speed changes avoiders are actually quite strong now since their main weakness previously (ships outspeeding them) has partially ceased to be a thing and omni-thrust now appears to be quite powerful

[prisma dock]

Can you see this gif, or is it a still image too?

Look, I really mean this in good faith. What you're saying when you say that "a ram is not guaranteed" is essentially that "it's difficult to direct a stream of ions at your opponent for prolonged times" and yeah, that's true, but the entire point of Ions is that it's a constant stream of dmg, which by its nature is only really good when you manage to shoot a particular area over prolonged times... No?

[tame comet]

i dont think they want to continue the discussion anymore

[prisma dock]

that's fine, but I will still reply to their last argument.

[tame comet]

can you send the ship in dms or somewhere? im curious how the fuck that fits within 1.5m

[granite sapphire]

look, i said the discussion is over. you have developed your opinions through static damage tests in a solo creative lobby. i have developed them through massive amounts of pvp play vs some of the highest skilled players in the community, continually iterating on all of our ships mutually. this discussion is simply unproductive as you have formed your opinions through an entirely different system than i have

[sharp root]

it might be 26 batts I don't remember exactly

it has a high amount of cooling either way

[tame comet]

oh

oh my god

[prisma dock]

Can you post the ship file here?

[sharp root]

right there ^

[granite sapphire]

anyways, i suppose patience will be required

[tame comet]

the HLs are OC'd too yes?

[sharp root]

yeah

[tame comet]

jeez that looks brutal

[sharp root]

OC HL has really good cost/DPS at the moment and its hitscan too

[tame comet]

oh, i see how you're doing that

[prisma dock]

lol im blind thx

[tame comet]

those are small reactors and likely OC'd capacitors

oh the SRs are OC'd too

thats super fucking mean

[sharp root]

its cheaper than an OC MR

[tame comet]

OC SR is better than regular MR?

[sharp root]

and you don't really need the power generation of an MR when you're playing hit and run, the SR + capacitors is enough of a buffer

[tame comet]

aaaah

that explains that

[sharp root]

I have an OC MR version of that ship but its my belief that OC MR just generates more power than needed and SR + capacitors is cheaper by a lot

[tame comet]

hows that TRB? my opinions been shifting on it ever since i heard that it makes parts take more damage

[sharp root]

its to debuff shields

and armor as a bonus

[tame comet]

gotcha

[sharp root]

OC LS takes a ton more heat per damage when hit by a TRT which allows pure HL to burst through OC LS

[tame comet]

TRT?

[sharp root]

the games calles TRB TRT

[tame comet]

OH

[sharp root]

I use TRT out of preference and nothing else

[tame comet]

thermal resonence turret

gotcha alright alright

[sharp root]

idk why the game uses both names

its weird

[tame comet]

because consistency is hard ok 😭

[eternal ibex]

TRB = whole weapon
TRT = only turret

[bitter steppe]

it was originally called TRT but that was too easily confused with MRT, so it was changed to TRB, but then the tooltip still says TRT so...

[sharp root]

between TRT being mispelled as MRT and TRB being mispelled as TBR, I'd rather TRT

[tame comet]

so many Ts and Rs and Bs...

[sharp root]

harder typo to make

[bitter steppe]

what is a TBR? TB Rail?

[sharp root]

toothless book review

[tame comet]

we do got a BRT and its called the chaingun 🔥

[eternal ibex]

bus rapid transit?

[tame comet]

depending on if you get locked by a cg rammer you'll get a bus rapid transit to the afterlife

[prisma dock]

interesting concept

[bitter steppe]

MRP?

[sharp root]

mrrrrp mrow

[next urchin]

The two have always been relatively interchangable. Generally the part itself is a TRT and its beam is a TRB

[eternal ibex]

anyway, yeah trt vs trb is confusing

the category should probably be called TRB and the part called TRT

[next urchin]

I might just write them all as TRT, though, since it's consistent with the naming of other beam weapons

[sharp root]

inspired by a saris ship but it is very nice that avoiders are no longer on life support because of ships going at mach tarnation

[tame comet]

oh yea, is that category staying?

i figured it was there just to showcase all the new preview stuff

but this is giving the assumption that its gonna be a permanent thing

[prisma dock]

Makes me wonder, if Ion Capacitors might work now.

[sharp root]

completely untested

don't think I've seen a single Meltdown ion capacitor

[tame comet]

capacitors are very alpha-based but they're very cost efficient

circles probaly has the best mix of alpha and consistent for the cost
enough where it can remain consistent but not alpha enough that it takes like 3 minutes to recharge

[sharp root]

well I say that but im reasonably confident that balance council might have tested it at some point

but idk the results of that (and probably wont for the forseeable future)

[next urchin]

Yes. Multi-part systems will likely be moved into similar groupings in future

[sharp root]

gonna assume from the react I guessed correctly

[tame comet]

huh. i assume the icon it has right now is very much a placeholder?

[next urchin]

The icon it has now is just the TRT - the parent part of the group. Its scaling/colour will likely be adjusted when I get around to polishing the sub-part groups

[pale python]

nice

[regal plume]

That's how it seems

[regal plume]

If you have multiple ships and get a couple of back hits then you doom the enemy ship, but slowly
(Hence my earlier comment about OC large cannons being unsuitable for enemy ships in career mode, players would get too upset about the huge amount of firefighting)

(In theory the player can put shields at all orientations for full 360 coverage or thick enough armor (5 layers or so?) But they'd be pretty unhappy to have to make such a drastic change)

[prisma dock]

I'm guessing this is coming to Rails and maybe Ions too?

very cool

thx for all the work you devs do

The fact that this game is still being added to, from the days of classic is crazy

real dedication

[lusty zealot]

to my knowledge, no testing on it was done. i didn't do any, and i think i'd be the most likely council member to use ion caps

[prisma dock]

When I first played Cosmoteer, back when you had to download it from the blog, I thought that maybe it'll be a nice little time waster for a few weeks.

[regal plume]

Anyone done testing with multiple OC LC vs single ship?

[lusty zealot]

unsure

[regal plume]

Also some really cool mechanics 🙂

[upbeat sequoia]

Can someone explain what OC Engine rooms are meant to do please. If I have an engine room and a huge thruster, does that give me 12,000 thrust, but at 1400 heat gen/sec. Also what does power distribution efficiency mean?
Ive added a couple of OC engine rooms, but i dont seem to be going much faster.

[prisma dock]

Since we were talking about it. 2 overclocked large shields need 24 radiators to vent the heat coming from 16 overclocked ions (6 outputs). You can see the heat storage slowly rising and then falling again as the non-overclocked shields come back online.
I know this is not representative of an actual pvp situation, but it serves as a reference for rule of thumb extrapolations. You could probably cut half or so of these radiators and prevent the rest of the would-be heat by dodging and spreading dmg.

But 16 ions is a low number for any real ion ship. I shudder a bit imagining what 24 or so overclocked ions would do.

[fickle patrol]

i gotta say, the ions look super cool if nothing else

[tulip nebula]

Sorry to ask, is the "all non-oc stats" thing will be reverted soon?

[bitter steppe]

OC Ion damage may need to be dialed back against shields

that's just the nature of aoe damage against stacked shields

same reason mining lasers deal reduced damage to shields

[regal plume]

Dialed back? OC doesn't seem to get any damage boost over non-OC vs single shield 🤔
(Which in practice means its a damage drop due to heat equipment needs)

[bitter steppe]

Rails aren't very good against shields either

but ions do at least get more effective against stacked shields

[narrow owl]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[narrow owl]

Alternative : Use shield heat to launch an absurd amount of canisters

don't think of canisters as bonus weapon

now canister main weapon

I'm making a canister barge

[tame comet]

this seems so mean i love it

bonus points if you oc the factory

[narrow owl]

"why you hitting yourself"

flak mandatory

against emp

or absurd amount of pd

[tame comet]

ive thought about making a ship like this

"you cannot play the game"

bonus points if you add tons of TBs

i, however, respect the pvp players, so i will not

[narrow owl]

I can spam heat exchangers

cuz more heat = more missiles

[tame comet]

oh true....

i like that part, very well designed

[plucky fossil]

they deal dot is the problem

stacking has diminishing returns, even if dps per single missile is insane

[tame comet]

tbf if you're using oc ls and using heat missiles as your main weapon then dot is merely a means to an end instead of a dealbreaker

practicality wise im not sure how effective it is

y'probably need to get a ton of thrust with some accessories like flak or pd but outlasting your opponent sounds like a seriously fun strategy

[narrow owl]

I can oc the LR to get 4 sized batteries saving on crew !

[narrow owl]

Imagine going through this

[narrow blade]

no

[plucky fossil]

crew reaction speed looks like it might be slower so it might be alpha'd down before they can react

[narrow blade]

i think you should swap the pd over to just normal pd cuz the oc ones arent really meant for like main defense

[narrow owl]

Yeah true

[narrow owl]

150k under 1.5mil

[narrow blade]

wait tcms are heat parts?

[narrow owl]

They do transfer heat

so you can chain them

I got so much cooling

[prisma dock]

Is the OC reactor in the back fully exhausted?

[eager gyro]

probibly should still have atleast 1 or 2 radiators to remove pasive heat,

[narrow owl]

Getting countered by a single, non-oc shield

[eager gyro]

i duno im thinking ov it like its a npcship

[narrow owl]

I don't think I can even exhaust a regular LR without ion beams

[prisma dock]

I see. wanna hear my thoughts?

[narrow owl]

Keep in mind this is an experiment for now, I was trying to know how much heat I could generate to throw at the canisters to kill the opponent. Answer is, not enough

[narrow owl]

sure

If you wanna say I lack emp, I know

I was trying to make thermal Thanatos

[prisma dock]

You could replace the middle reactor with an overclocked capacitor like you did in the back, no? That wouldn't exhaust the rear OC reactor, but it'd save some money.

[narrow blade]

you could overclock the middle reactor for no reason at all. you know, make more heat to throw at the enemy???

[narrow owl]

The voice of reason vs the voice of arson

[narrow blade]

ok

you could also definetly get away with overclocking the sensors cuz doesnt that make a absurd amount of heat

[narrow owl]

ohhh true true

[narrow blade]

you just need to move the thermal stuff a bit further away from eachother for a gap to add a heat pipe

[narrow owl]

OCing that reactor saved me 2 crew

[narrow blade]

i thought sensors made like 1000/s not this pathetic 150/s

this is disgustang

[narrow owl]

hmmm

critical design flaw

I get penetrated by 2 OCCG

Need to find a way to OC the 2 center shields

[narrow blade]

this sounds like a way to do something perfectly usual and not diarrhea

blah blah blah you can just push out the flaks and stuff

[narrow owl]

I did it like this

Forgor fire extinguishers

[narrow blade]

wghat the fuck is that

just do it like this smh its like 3% simpler

• inbuilt fire extingkshvier!!!

and thermal b attery but who cares about that

[narrow owl]

what is 3% simpler when you use 2 more width

[narrow blade]

your setup already looks like theres a bunch of space

you can lose a single pd on both sides right

[narrow blade]

turns out this didnt have the capacitors connected to heat network so it combusted randomly

[narrow owl]

who the fuck would aim for a random pd

[narrow blade]

the scary doom setup of doom

[narrow blade]

also are these heat exchangers just... completely fucking useless

such greed

[narrow blade]

i was referring to the fact that no negative consequences would head your way if you were to relinquish the accessibility of a extra pd on both sides of the shield conglomeration

(go from 6 pd per side to 5 pd per side)

[narrow owl]

anyways that canister ship is utterly useless unless you wish to piss off kids

[plain shoal]

i dont even see it...

[granite sapphire]

could add some emps with ur leftover budget

or oc ebs

[narrow owl]

i did already btw

[narrow owl]

@granite sapphire

[vague aurora]

Wow I just checked the new update and it's INCREDIBLE how overwhelming everything is, I feel like I'm playing a brand new game!

The fact that you can overlock practically EVERYTHING i sinsane.

Though I'm disappointed you can't overclock hyperdrives and manipulators.

Overclocked hyperdrives should be able to stay pre-charged, constantly generating heat.

OC manipulators will have double the speed on both crew and resources.

[narrow blade]

thermal defense platform:
-> 30 oc hyperdrives constantly producing heat
-> emergency radiators
-> 10 bajillion thermal canister missile!!!!!!!

[plucky fossil]

straight stat up is boring

[narrow blade]

yea

[vague aurora]

Truee, it should get 16>32 beams maybe.

But boring stat up is better than not having anything in my eyes.

[plucky fossil]

one beam at 30x speed

[narrow blade]

make oc manipulators merge beams into like 2 (2 crew per 1 beam) and the beam has like a 5m sphere where it affects anything in it!!! trust super balanced

[paper hemlock]

It'd be cool if OC Manipulator Beams acted as small Tractor Beams for ships

[narrow blade]

we already have big treactor beams :(

[bitter steppe]

Yet. 🔥

[vague aurora]

Overclocked airlocks generate a wormhole that tug any crew that want to enter it from 6 tile radius

[vague aurora]

Oh wait, you can't overclock TB!

[paper hemlock]

OC Armor, deflects shots

[narrow blade]

oc tractor beam turns into a small ship that flies towards any enemy and explodes violently to push them back

trust me. i am the best idea maker

[vague aurora]

Jokes aside, I like the fire mechanics this new update introduces, I hope I can finally push my ''Fire extinguisher gun'' idea further.

[narrow blade]

and uhh. oc airlock just throws the crew out in a line at 600 m/s out of the ship

the red arrow is what tiles get affected

[vague aurora]

A TB with a large radius like some kind of an anti-matter cannon from event horizon (for those that know) could be cool.

[vague aurora]

I think my wormhole idea is better.

[narrow blade]

nick. i pray for your spontaneous detonation

[vague aurora]

Another missed opportunity is Hyperdrive beacon, maybe it just halves hyperium usage for anything that warps to it or something?

[narrow blade]

hyperdrive beacon turns crew into hyperium

10 crew per 1 hyperium

[vague aurora]

A prayer jesus, allah, the sun, buddha or whatever deity you worship will not answer.

[vague aurora]

Man thanks for asking, I love completely unconstructive ideas too.

[narrow blade]

i hope so

[eager gyro]

be cool if it alowed warping to it even if your drives arnt charged

[narrow blade]

this would be slightly powerful for pvp

(as in uhh ship hyperdrives 5 times in 10 seconds)

unload nukes and immediately hyperdrive to another oc beacon ship

[bitter steppe]

Agreed, but I would say instead of wormholes it turns airlocks into teleporters for instant crew transfer

[vague aurora]

Oh boy... And how'd one link it I wonder.

[narrow blade]

so you just remove any usability for moving walkways???

[vague aurora]

Having them constantly spinning would also be cool and not having them charged kinda just destroys the whole point of having them charge.

[narrow blade]

unless it produces like 13 billion quadrillion bajillion heat i dont think just allowing for crew to teleport is a good idea

[vague aurora]

I agree

[bitter steppe]

Science, obviously. It would link to all other teleporter/airlocks on your ships

or maybe not even to other ships... what about just from one teleporter to another on the same ship

[narrow blade]

this sounds like a unnecessary addition that kind of ruins a few other aspects of the game unless its like turned into complete garbage (as in like 5 seconds to teleport or extremely small range teleport

[bitter steppe]

imagine trying to set up logistics using teleporters

[narrow blade]

you cant just turn the moving walkways into just heat pipes???

crew practically moving through heat pipes with oc airlocks being teleporters to wherever the crew wants to go

[vague aurora]

A little suggestion is that I think the heat dissipators should have a little blue bar under the HP that shows how much heat they are currently releasing and if they are at their full capacity or not.

[bitter steppe]

not sure how that would go over since they're not like thrusters where each one ramps up, it's more like a system check for thermal capacity and available vents

and it's happening constantly every tick or whatever it is

[vague aurora]

I see.

No because it already shows explonentiation with the pipes heating up and producing more blue plumes.

[regal sand]

I think the Oc Deck Canons need to have their projectile speed reduced. Not necessarilly by much, but enough for a Flack to have a chance to counter them instead of needing over 10 flack to cancel 5 Oc DC.
Layers of armour is still effective on them, but there is a limit to that and at mid-range it will deal more concentrated than normal DC.

About Oc ions, I made a few tests with ions with guiding prisms using a Redline modified specifically for the test. Both sides have the same setup with 12 radiators & 6 thermal batteries. First test will 9 Oc Ions then 12 normal Ions against 4 normal Large Shields, while the second have the same 4 LS setup but with the 2 on the back being Overclocked. In both cases I aim At the reactor
First test, we have 9 Oc ion then 12 normal Ions against a 4 LS setup.
As you can see, the 9 Oc Ions break through in abound 14~16 seconds (speed x2), but the 12 normal Ions take nearly a full minute to reach the reactor (speed x8).

Second test, and 2 Large Shields, with 12 Oc ions first then 18 normal ions.
As tou can see, the Oc Ions do their job, once again, and start to reach the overheating point after around 45 seconds (speed x8) and the first Oc shield get destroyed at around 1 minute after the start. The 18 ions, however, where unable to defeat that setup.

A few things to add, however.

• Neither the 12 Oc Ions nor the 18 normal Ions could breach the Oc large shields themselves: the heat was what destroyed the setup. Targetting the side of the shield setup would have done the trick for the 18 Ions, but not for the 12 Oc Ion, as the damage is spreading too much… but this would be a problem either case in PvP and against moving targets in general.
• If the radiators are used for other purpose the resilience of the ship to the heating caused by Oc ions will be significantly reduced, and in the testing setup I gave it a LOT of radiators (2 per Oc LS) and thermal batteries just for the shields: 108k worth of resources in those alone, without counting the pipes. Moreover, if the ship I made for testing was designed like the how the Redline was originally imagined (with each of the three sections being autonomous and able to continue the fight on their own), there would also, most likelly, be isolated pipe systems instead of a combined one.
  .
  Overall I think the best ion setup would be one with a mix of normal and Oc Ions to combine the damage focusing capabilities of the first and higher damage on shield of the second (which can be turned back into normal Ion against shield-less targets). It would also require less investment to do so than turning all Ions into Oc ones and would be easier to maintain it’s logistic.
  This, however, will require testing.

And yes, I wanted to respond since this morning, but things kept happening so I didn't get the chance until now

[paper hemlock]

I don't like seeing heat being pumped out the system while my Heat Missiles aren't full

[granite sapphire]

thanks for the tests, and acknowledging how these values might not hold up in a pvp lobby. however i disagree with a mix of oc/non oc ions past the surface level of it being a bit cheaper and less heat. with a mix you suffer from even less damage to shields on a weapon whose overclocked form already struggles. imagine how hard it will be to stay on target of a single cluster of oc ls for 45 whole seconds in an actual pvp game where the enemy can move (often far more agile than you) and is firing back with devastating overclocked weapons

[granite sapphire]

tcms are prioritized over radiators iirc but they still do remove heat from heat storages that could be used for tcms. i think its a fair tradeoff and hard to fix otherwise because you often do want the maximum cooling possible

[regal plume]

overclocked manipulator lets you pick up whole piles of materials and thus you don't have to spend several minutes after a big late game battle picking everything up

[prisma dock]

Is there a way to transmit heat wirelessly between piping? Like can a Heat Exchanger draw heat out of a Thermal Battery that's a few meters away?

[paper hemlock]

No

[prisma dock]

😢

[regal sand]

In the test, the Oc Ions tended to hit on other shields than the targeted ones if the ships where not straight in front of each-others or too close...a problem which would be nearly always happen in PvP. In other word, while total damage is higher, you are now attacking 6 shields when you are only targetting 4 of them and loose a significant part of your DPS because of that.

[near flax]

if friendly fire is on you can shoot yourself with a TCM

[regal sand]

that's generating heat, not exchanging

[near flax]

tcms don't generate heat, I think youre thinking of trt

[prisma dock]

Heh too complicated.
Would be cool, if this worked:
(it doesn't)

[near flax]

I think wireless self heat transfer being very difficult is a good thing

you can transfer heat between ships easily

radiators heat up enemies if they are close enough

[prisma dock]

ah. interesting. didnt know.

[tranquil cape]

i had an idea for OC large hyperdrive that just teleports crew to their destination when they enter the room

[tranquil cape]

or maybe just reduce their projectile health a little?
i dont want to see the OC deck cannons go into the same state as the non OC ones

[regal sand]

DC projectiles already get 2-shoted by Flack

[tranquil cape]

hmmm

[granite sapphire]

ocflak can kinda alr shut down oc dc

the health isnt rly the issue its just that it rips through stuff

[regal sand]

the problem is that Flack don't aim fast enough to shoot down Oc DC most of the time, since it goes at 300m/s, meaning that it is even faster than a Laser Blaser projectile (260m/s) and that it can reach it's target from maximal range in 1.26s, let alone at closer range where flacks don't have time to react at all

another option would be to increase Flack's turning speed, maybe?

but that would be a huge buff to Flack

[tranquil cape]

oh i havent realized that the shots moved faster than laser shots huh

[regal sand]

yeah, it's VERY fast.

even a 40m/s reduction might make a world of difference

[plucky fossil]

it would make cooling down big parts too easy :(

[prisma dock]

Hmmmmmmmm...
So apparently combining an overclocked and a not overclocked beam results in AN OVERCLOCKED BEAM???

[plucky fossil]

the unovercl0cked one just gets deleted unfortunately

[prisma dock]

lol ok. worth a try. ^^

kinda makes sense tho. Kinda. I expected the total beam doing 75% + 100% lightning dmg.

[regal plume]

it's weird and unintuitive that against an OC Ion beam you want to turn off all but one of your shields 🤔

could be annoying to micro?

[prisma dock]

Is that actually the case? Have you tested that and gotten that you stay alive longer, if no other shields are up?

Does anybody know of a good PD setup that mixes overclocking with a few crew that supply energy?

[paper hemlock]

Why would you need to supply energy

[plucky fossil]

bursts of usage and mirrors

[prisma dock]

Because OC PD is only 25% effective, if it has to shoot all the time (against missile boats for example). And so, maybe you could have just a few crew members running around supplying energy, so that you get the same uptime as you would from your previous standard crew-dependent setups, but with fewer crew and thus a lower cost ultimately.

Basicly, not use OC PD as an entirely different mode, but use OC to cut costs essentially.

[plucky fossil]

plus you probably want some heat sucker nearby anyways for defensive purposes

[prisma dock]

that too yea

[granite sapphire]

the current use is to leave them on offensive fire at will which deals damage to the enemy and creates a wall of debris right infront of the enemy ship that dc struggle to even get through

[regal plume]

Yes with small shields, now trying with large

interesting that the capacitor is needed...

also specialized crew roles

[prisma dock]

Is it strictly needed, or is it just better than having the LR with its charging time of potentially 4-size battery?

[regal plume]

this setup dies to the 13 OC ions without a capacitor

regardless of crew numbers

they just react too slowly

that 2 second picked time is an eternity when facing about 15000 raw dps

[regal plume]

I should clarify: this is if you are potentially power or heat dissipation limited
in theory if you have unlimited power/heat dispersion and more than 3 shields then more is better

if 3 or less shields then you are agnostic to 1 vs 3 for beams that hit close enough to affect all 3 shields

[prisma dock]

So, the often seen 4 LS around an LR would still be better?

[regal plume]

also apparently needs 21 radiators to disperse all this heat... good lord
11,500 heat per second

[regal plume]

yup, looks like the LS is small enough to avoid chaining

[regal sand]

This is for Oc flack. We are talking about normal flack. Also, Oc Flack get countered my moving the fight location

[regal plume]

further caveat: chain distances seem quite short (note the destroyed red structure bits are the only ones directly in range
so if you offset your shields by 2 tiles you avoid chaining

so large shields that are at the same distance forwards and adjacent will experience chaining along almost their entire lengths (so for hits here you might as well have 1 and save on power and the ludicous heat capacity requirements)

[prisma dock]

An interesting observation:
9 OC ions with venting and an OC LR costs about the same as 16 non-OC ions with an OC LR (+2 Radiators for the LR).

(crew numbers are not tested here, but should roughly be what's needed for both setups)

[polar knot]

All of the overclocked weapons just make the weapon better in every way

I like the overclocked ions because it’s unique

[plucky fossil]

rails are good too i think

[polar knot]

Instead of cutting its more of an aoe thing

[plucky fossil]

same with electrobolt

[polar knot]

What’s the new electrobolt like?

[plucky fossil]

it deals dot instead of instant drain

well draining over time

[regal plume]

No? OC DC has lower DPS

and electrobolt deals less damage up front when overclocked

[polar knot]

Interesting…

[polar knot]

I’d say the knockback more than makes up for that

[plucky fossil]

it is better vs basically anything with penetration resistance

[boreal estuary]

ive generally been wondering this, why would you ever make a non OC ships now? outside of ships that are too tiny to fit cooling it seems way better than spending that money on a second gun

[near flax]

you don't want to deal with thermal risks/haven't purchased OC yet

[paper hemlock]

Heat missiles are cool

[vague aurora]

Ohh the little wormhole thingy sucks up energy from a distance? That's neat.

Or shall I say, that's heat.

[vague aurora]

Cool idea, though how'd you distribute it?

[regal plume]

would only pick up a full stack of the same item and take it to a fully empty storage tile

[upbeat sequoia]

And the increase of range. DC now out range Ions. That could be fun.

[vague aurora]

Wait wait wait what do you mean my reactor just TURNED OFF?!

Is that a new feature?

[sharp root]

when parts burn down by pure fire damage instead of breaking like previously, they now turn into rubble and become inoperable, but remain intact

[vague aurora]

Ohh that's so cool.

So no longer reactors explode by fire.

That is a significant nerf in one way, but it must be mentioned crew fire control becomes nearly impossible.

Even with me making ship invulnerable, 6 crew and constantly restocked FEs couldn't save it.

And me even repearing some stuff.

[sharp root]

yeah fire spreads so incredibly aggressively now

and mainly is a threat to crew

[vague aurora]

Crew are so agonizingly slowww

[sharp root]

entire compartments can go unmanned

[regal plume]

seeing this shield layout in action is quite something...

[vague aurora]

Why was the crew nerf even enacted?

[regal plume]

about 17,000 dps going into this shield and it doesn't blink

[sharp root]

not a nerf, a byproduct of the half speed changes

[vague aurora]

Another quick suggestion (I bet nobody is ever reading those), I think rubble fire takes too long to subside, by the time it begins dissipating everything is already burnt, so just make it quicker.

[sharp root]

they don't move slower relative to how much power parts use

they were all divided by 2

[vague aurora]

Hmm? I don't think I get it.

[sharp root]

0.5x previously is now 1x speed in Meltdown, except for projectile movement

[vague aurora]

But why? It just makes fires twice as strong, despite them already getting a huge spread speed buff and much more new sources that can cause them.

[vague aurora]

Oh that is handy, because now it's much harder to dodge stuff.

[sharp root]

to scale properly with the half speed changes, also fire got a rework this update that intentionally made it spread super aggressively

[vague aurora]

But it's still an overwhelming buff to fires.

[sharp root]

yeah UL nukes going 200m/s were basically unhittable

[vague aurora]

I know.

[sharp root]

the buff to fires isn't because of crew speed getting nerfed, its just fire being reworked to be more of a hazard

the melting down of parts due to overheating greatly depends on fire to actually be hazard to your ship

[vague aurora]

Hazard doesn't mean unextinguishable.

I have 6 guys all with FEs going at it and it's still unattaineable.

[sharp root]

as far as I can tell by design

[vague aurora]

FEs need a buff too, crew holding FE should move twice as fast!

[paper hemlock]

They can, there needs to be enough heat to do it so sometimes when they are already low fire finishes them off

[vague aurora]

It just would incentivize extinguishers.

[sharp root]

seen whole sections of PvP ships go down due to mismanaged heat

[vague aurora]

I like how much more of a core mechanic fire is, though!!

I love how colossal this update is, I practically felt like playing a new game.

[sharp root]

yiii

[vague aurora]

Oh my god it just melts the fucking thing, you can do a hit and run with this, swoop in, lick the enemy with your volcano, run and just watch them slowly and uncontrollably burn.

[granite sapphire]

fully unoverclocked? no reason in particular. i think thats fair though, there should be a good reason to use a whole game mechanic. as for overclocking or not overclocking specific parts, there are massive amounts of nuance to whether or not.

[granite sapphire]

yea i think the pumps have a bit too much alpha potential

cgt has been using alpha trb on normal ships and its still apparently rly good

just a ton of dilators

[vague aurora]

Yeah, but I still think a general slight nerf would be nice for them, because they're just too free to use once you get the hang of mechanics it seems.

[granite sapphire]

for sure a bit powerful. but i dont think they should be nerfed until oc shields are dialed in

[vague aurora]

I checked but amplifiers are necessary too, just dilators have HUGE AOE but take a long time to start setting stuff on fire.

[sharp root]

dilators are good to nerf shields

mainly OC LS

they apply much more debuff than amplifiers

[granite sapphire]

well cgt is spamming dilators to just debuff every single shield on the enemy ship

[vague aurora]

The rubble mechanic is SOOO cool, I love how fire doesn't just turn ships into structure.

Charred ships could be a new setpiece in career graveyards.

[tranquil cape]

a lot of the issue is crew trying to pick an extenguisher on the opposite side of the ship, walking through fire to get it, and then dying
i tried to stop fire with kike 50 extinguishers and it didn't work but if i removed the 4 extinguishers on the other side of the ship then they actually did like 600% better than previously

because the crew is also going for that extinguisher, it means no one else will pick it either

so it ends up making a lot of them not be used

[vague aurora]

Yeah that too, and crew are far too slow now.

[granite sapphire]

atp ima make an alpha trb cruiser. pumps are so credit efficient and you can ignore the heat gen on an alpha setup with a few batteries

[sharp root]

this is why you assign FE

[vague aurora]

I think the spread rate should be lowered in exchange for just higher raw damage of fires and FE crew should get a speed bonus.

[tranquil cape]

no its not their speed, its how they pick what extinguishers to use

[granite sapphire]

assign your fe

😭

[sharp root]

that and crew don't properly switch to fire extinguishing if you don't assign FE

[tranquil cape]

the difference is so bad its probably worth fixing outside of FE assignment

[sharp root]

crew do that in general

especially when it comes to selecting which storage to pull ammo from

[granite sapphire]

have you been properly assigning it? because theyre mostly fine for me

[sharp root]

or with selecting power supply if there are no power assignments

or selecting which block to power

[tranquil cape]

yeah that would be neat

maybe extend the duration of extinguisher foam too

[vague aurora]

Oh I noticed it, does it shield stuff from catching fire again?

[granite sapphire]

automatic foaming fire control systems would be cool

[tranquil cape]

yeah

but it lasts quite a short time

[granite sapphire]

mostly a redundancy thing for career, to make cutoff points for fires so they cant burn down your entire ship

[vague aurora]

The mechanics are now literally asking for a fire gun.

[granite sapphire]

trb???

[vague aurora]

Fire EXTINGUISHER gun

[granite sapphire]

bit of an important word, but yea

im iffy on support weapons that directly fire on and assist your own ships because there isnt particularly good ui support for that stuff, but it would be cool

[vague aurora]

OH YEAH, my old concept for an airlock-door used to cut off chambers and compartments in a ship could be cool to see as well.

[vague aurora]

Well yeah, but it could extinguish stuff on your own ship too.

Just with a much lower range than on other ships.

[granite sapphire]

would it be automatic?

[vague aurora]

Maybe ability for crew to be ordered to come out ships with airlocks and extinguish other ships.

[vague aurora]

Obviously.

[tranquil cape]

hmm
angle limited extinguisher roof "weapon" that could spray over the roofs of allied ships to extinguish fire

[vague aurora]

You could either set on self-extinguish or extinguish others.

[vague aurora]

Yes, and spawn long lasting foam.

But it wouldn't be all magically powerful.

[granite sapphire]

now that we have a heat mechanic an icing mechanic would be cool to see

[paper hemlock]

I liked an idea someone else had of a part that removes heat/fires but damages/destroys itself in the process

[tranquil cape]

would probably not work as well on a moving ship

[granite sapphire]

for the next major weapons update

[vague aurora]

Balanced enough to still keep fire a threat, on your own ship it'd have like radius of 15 metres, because I'd suspect aiming such a thing down on your own ship would be difficult.

[granite sapphire]

would make sense being in space that heat and cold are both weaponized

[vague aurora]

Yeah, like those fire and ice breathing dragons in fantasy games 😅

[paper hemlock]

Not sure about cold, space is already pretty damn cold

[vague aurora]

That is true.

[granite sapphire]

its a thin nebula. prime for icing issues

[paper hemlock]

Though to be fair, ships have drag so what do I know

[vague aurora]

Also speaking of ice mechanic, I had two cool ideas for new storms/nebulae that I wanted to suggest, Blizzard and Corrosion, but that's a topic for #1019739575683399840.
So many suggestions I have.

[narrow owl]

That's so cursed

[narrow owl]

yeah hope that gets reversed

[plucky fossil]

good luck making it sustain

[pale python]

Hope it doesn't because theres not really a way to avoid

The changes

[narrow owl]

??

[pale python]

Most of the new content was built with the speed changes in mind

[narrow owl]

yes, but no, in all of game history pushing awful feeling changes due to time constraints led to awful consequences. We have time to fix all this

smash 4 is one of the most forgettable smash games because it's slow af

brawl cheats cuz mods

[pale python]

i heavily disagree on it being awful feeling (and there's not much of time constraints and there's feedback being said and etc)

i dont see how that example really helps

[lusty zealot]

actually irl spacecraft have to put significant effort into remaining cool. yes space is very cold, but it's also a vacuum, and thus does not transfer heat very quickly at all

as convection and conduction don't work without a medium (like an atmosphere), so you're relying on very slow radiation of heat

[lusty zealot]

the thermal changes were actually initially tested in a separate branch from the halfspeed ones, though to be fair most of the balance was done on the merged branch. things shouldn't be too different though for most overclocks or the TRT, balance-wise

[pale python]

i mean yeah in the end after a day of rewriting rules i can see it could be reverted entirely but not sure if the testing's balance would still apply

[paper hemlock]

After playing with the new speed it honestly feels a fair bit better than I thought it would

[tranquil cape]

give it like a 150 meter range against ships that isnt own ship too with like an extinguish self and extinguish allies mode

so you can have firefighter ships

hmmm

would need a minimum range or something to justify that because then pvp could just make a splitter with it

[pale python]

preview's haunted

[narrow owl]

of course, the slowdown "feeling" awful is subjective, but it's nonetheless important to the health of the game. especially considering ~40% of players from the survey played on x1 for combats, that's a lot of people to piss off.

a lot of people agree with me that the slowdown does not feel good for them, and a few (including me) that they cannot enjoy the game with it.

[pale python]

aw
yeah taht sucks

[carmine heron]

all 40% wont be pissed off

[narrow owl]

The only reason why I played was the adrenaline from piloting and designing ships.

I'm not very much of a pvp player, even though I did some, I like getting a cheap avoider I designed and zipping around a mothership to take it down, was applicable to career as well and was basically my way of enjoying the game, fast, reactive gameplay that's also punitive when messing up.

The slowdown ruins it for me.

[carmine heron]

im part of that 40% and i dont mind at all

and im not the only one

its just the ones who dont like it are much more vocal

[narrow owl]

Just like all 60% of the 1/2x players won't necessarily like the changes

[carmine heron]

exactly, its a lose - lose for a bunch of players no matter what happens

Id rather them spend the time itd take to revert it elsewhere

[narrow owl]

Yeah but is it worth it losing a bunch of players to push new features out while carrying an unpopular change ?

Because I saw quite some people complaining about the speed, I haven't seen a lot of people pro-actively say "oh I love the game being slower it stopped me from pausing and slowing it down and I love crew taking it's sweet sweet time to power the shields"

and certainly no x1 player after the changes going "oh yeah good for the players who like the changes x2 feels great for me now"

[carmine heron]

its a lose-lose

I prefer the change tbh

[granite sapphire]

avoiders are even better due to the changes now, however the viability is not the only concern i understand

[carmine heron]

others do too

[narrow owl]

we can get the new heat stuff without the speed changes

[carmine heron]

when did i mention heat.

[granite sapphire]

the issue, and what rekyu mentioned, is that we kinda cant now

[lusty zealot]

well. we can, but it would be work for the devs

[narrow owl]

They ain't satisfying no more for me

I'm bored as fuck when playing them as every fucking input takes longer to execute than my life expectancy, my weapons struggle to kill the squishy insides I managed to get an angle on because half the dps.

It's just slow, and x2 is too fast. Nobody ever complained about 1/2x being an issue.

Just go watch #1371284364562006186

[granite sapphire]

atp im p sure the devs are just going forward with this regardless. what did balance council think about the 2x speed stuff? even people on the balance council seem blindsided by it which i find odd

[narrow owl]

Don't make minecraft 1.9 all over again

[carmine heron]

and what of the people who like the change? your acting like everyone hates it