design contest chat

[long raven]

Whoa, cool.

[desert trail]

almost done, i defintly did not forget about this contest existing for about a week

[desert trail]

time to start doing starsunder,

-# alsllo i like the name alot so not changeing that

[vernal lance]

hi @slow axle are thrusters treated like internals (editable with little to no consequences) or like weapons (editing is prohibited)

[slow axle]

That's a very good question, I think that thrusters will be treated like weapons because of their dead zone and external nature they could affect the shape of the hull quite massively

The definition of a weapon is quite vague and apart from the obvious ones we have tractor beams that most players consider as a weapon, and yet you are free to add any in this contest

[slow axle]

Looks amazing!
I heavily encourage not posting both ships at the same time as you are not obligated to paint them both

[novel coyote]

I'm liking how this looks but the exterior shapes are running out and I do not know yet how to paint the interior

[long raven]

Wow, shiny. I like it.

[desert trail]

okedoke, i still might paint bouth

[vernal lance]

progress sure is slow

very clear reference

[desert trail]

that looks cool

[slow axle]

Oh wow

[long raven]

Looking sharp there!

[vernal lance]

at the very least progress is steady

[slow axle]

Isn't the build finished? You can submit it

[vernal lance]

its not as finished as i'd like it to be

this feels like im only using 3 layers on a sculpting styled paintjob

[toxic ocean]

Very cartoony/comic aesthetic, me likey

Definitely you change your art style with your pfp

[vernal lance]

both styles are very heavily based on one source material

down to the color choices

[elder marsh]

vane lily

[slow axle]

@desert trail That's a really impressive submission! Mainly because you did not changed the hull whatsoever even in the areas allowed in the rules

I cannot wait to see what other contestants will do of Mystical Mist though it's highly likely you'll be the only one to have a Mystical Mist's submission

@strange mango, as the manager of the thread could you pin this for the duration of the contest?
I think it might be helpful knowledge for the participants

[vernal lance]

damn I haven't even thought of a single idea for mystical mist

[strange mango]

there you go

[slow axle]

Thank you

[desert trail]

thanks, there is actualy a few spots that have a tiny amount of modification, but it is still 99% the original

[vernal lance]

it seems that it is done enough for me

I now have to brainstorm and put into canvas an idea for mystical mist

[slow axle]

Looks great!

I appreciate that you respected the rules perfectly! I love the use of the black layer especially in the making of these blades. Prior to loading the file I had considered wether you edited the hull or not

[elfin venture]

@slow axle is it within the rules to use the new painting system in the release candidate in this design contest?

[mortal cave]

Lol

[slow axle]

The issue is that we already have two submissions by two participants and allowing the new painting system would obviously set them at a disadvantage

On the other hand I think everyone's very excited to paint with this new system, which makes me think I really should've waited for May first to start the contest....

@desert trail @vernal lance I want to hear your opinion about this.
There's also the problem that the release candidate might become a full release before the contest ends, therefore not allowing the new system would force some late participants to downgrade their game version

[vernal lance]

personally i'd be fine with it

would get a chance to see even cooler submissions and for me, updating my submissions wouldn't be too much of a hassle if i find some things undesirable

[mortal cave]

If you ask me (you didn't but anyway) I think it would be reasonable to extend the deadline by a week or two accordingly because of the decal update

[simple valve]

Yeah, it will be a lot to take in

Especially the inverting

[desert trail]

honistly i dont know, i dont think i'll need to update my ship mutch but i probibly will have to check for anthing odd

id say its fine

[flint abyss]

i started working on paint :P

[flint abyss]

sorry, been playing warframe too much, the paint will never be finished XD

[vernal lance]

you have 3 days

rush it nick style™️

[toxic ocean]

I do it with hours instead of days.

[slow axle]

As someone suggested above, due to the release of a lot of stuff it might be a good idea to postpone the deadline by a few... weeks? Days?
I doubt we'll have more than 3 submissions anyways

If anyone is planning unto painting one of both ships, needs more time for it, don't be afraid to ask.

Since there's quite obviously less popularity I think I can afford being lax too

[flint abyss]

oh no, it's just that i play too much warframe, the paint will NOT be finished

i was just warning so you don't wait for a paint that will not come

[slow axle]

Alright, are anyone else intrested in making a paint?
If not, then the contest shall end on the 14th

[elfin venture]

i would like to

[slow axle]

Is june 1st enough time for you?

[vernal lance]

finally I have a chance of actually doing mystical mist

[elfin venture]

honestly there's a good chance i can finish starsunder before the 14th but with the june 1st extenstion there's a good chance i can do mystical mist too

[slow axle]

Good luck then!

[elfin venture]

ended up needing the extension to finish starsunder anyways

[toxic ocean]

Wow, smooth gigafades are so cool, I figured they'd be awesome in paint.

I am dying to try out Cosmoteer's new stuff, haven't had the chance to touch computer in a while.

[elfin venture]

yea they are
inversion is also amazing

[toxic ocean]

Thy what now

[elfin venture]

inversion
one of the things in new paint is that any decal can now have the transparency inverted

so the number 1 decal, for instance, becomes a block of paint with a 1 cut out of it

this also means a bunch of decals have been removed because you can get them by just inverting another decal

[hexed prism]

The paint inversion really fills in the gaps for several decal shapes that were missing previously.

[median patio]

What if
Since we got both a paint update and an entirely new mechanic
Paint + tournament in one
Total score would be combined scores from the tourney and paint

[slow axle]

That sounds very cool but hosting pvp tournaments isn't really my thing, my level in spoken english prevents me from doing proper casting and the quick paste nature of it prevents me from taking the time I need.

Perhaps Plaus would like that idea? I'm not sure he's in this channel, and he love doing unoffical tournaments with weird gimmicks

[vernal lance]

what about a paint optimization contest

[elfin venture]

how is one meant to optimize paint

[vernal lance]

least amount of decals

[elfin venture]

wouldn't that just be Clear All

[vernal lance]

least amount of decals + community vote

[elfin venture]

so what happens if someone has the most amount of decals but wins the community vote because they ignored the decal minimization part of the contest

[vernal lance]

then I will eat shit

[elfin venture]

That doesn't sound healthy

[median patio]

also how would you count decals

[small elm]

cough

[slow axle]

Glad to see a few more submissions!

[tired vapor]

@robust cave wdym more heat loss than generation

when standing still? moving? shooting?

[tired vapor]

oops wrong chat

[robust cave]

huh ?

[toxic ocean]

Uh

[toxic ocean]

@restive umbra Great colour scheme on that dragon thing! Very nice dark magentaish red.

[restive umbra]

thank you 😁

[novel coyote]

I left it a bit late hopefully I can finish in time

[vernal lance]

finish it nick style alright

[slow axle]

You have a bit more than 28 hours as the contest ends at 21:00 UTC+1 tomorrow

[toxic ocean]

Tick tock tick tock

Nick nock

[novel coyote]

the Nick curse shall not get me this time

this might be my new favorite paint I've ever done
the new decals are soo good

[elfin venture]

damn nice work mungbean

[toxic ocean]

My curse is having to do stuff when 1 day is left, so it got to you before you even said that.

[novel coyote]

not many submissions this time :(

more ship submissions than paint

[restive umbra]

:(

[vernal lance]

perfect excuse to create more cygnus ships

[raven isle]

@strange mango Are Meltdown Preview ships allowed?

[vernal lance]

oh yeah are newly built ships allowed (ships designed specifically for the contest, rather than them already existing in one's ship folder)

[strange mango]

untill it comes out as a stable update, sadly no, previews are subject to change and what may be legal one day could theoretically change the next

[strange mango]

yes, newly build ships are allowed

[median patio]

Bringing this up again as I have put a little more thought into it
Tourney would be held as a bracket, and total score at the end = number of places - placement
Paint would be in a similar manner, if there are any ties a tiebreaker would be held
Submissions could either be solo or duo (one builds other paints)
Total score would be the added score from paint and tourney

If it were to start anytime soon definitely after exams ~ july

[strange mango]

while i love the consept i dont have the skillset to host something like that, not alone at least, i never do tournaments so id have no experience with them, nor would i be able to provide quality commentary due to lacking meta knowledge (as well as being very microphone shy)

id be happy to co host the contest part while someone else manages the tourney part though

[grizzled sequoia]

so you can submit whatever u make as long as it's not againts the rules?

[slow axle]

I give myself the right to crop some glamor shots submissions of my contest for those who shows more space than ships

[strange mango]

pretty much

[toxic ocean]

When will we have an official design contest? I hope post Meltdown!

We can help the architects make more built-ins in time for meltdown this time, that could be soo cool.

[restive umbra]

yes please

[desert trail]

yhat would be prity fun

[median patio]

I'll do it then
Perhaps

One problem
I've barely played pvp

[inner basalt]

I'm a bit curious. How can generative AI be used in design and painting.This point is particularly emphasized in the rules

[strange mango]

as far as i know, theres no way to use ai to create cosmoteer ships, the rule is there just in case im wrong

[inner basalt]

Oh got it thanks

[novel coyote]

is the vote over yet

[restive umbra]

@slow axle

[slow axle]

Oh my, time flew by 😓
I will do it right away

[novel coyote]

dang i really thought I would win that
gg Rednax

I wonder if it was a bad idea making the details so small because you cannot see any of it in the voting preview

[elfin venture]

gg

[vernal lance]

bad results as always

probably should stop participating at this point considering how poor my performance always is

[slow axle]

Receiving 3 votes isn't that bad, you've only received two more.

[restive umbra]

GG to all

[strange mango]

congrads to the winners, and well played to everyone

[strange mango]

@desert trail im missing parts in all of your ships, did you use mods or an unstable version?

[elfin venture]

yes they're all on the Meltdown preview

[toxic ocean]

Oh boy here comes a text wall detailing why that's a nono

[strange mango]

i see, i didnt mention it in the rules cause it didnt cross my mind at the time but clearfyed that only stable versions should be used for the contest here, i guess i should have been more clear about it, thats on me, theres still plenty time so i hope you can convert the ships to stable version builds, but as is i cant allow them

[strange mango]

i wont delete the submission right away in case you need to copy paste the lore into a text file for the future resubmission

[toxic ocean]

Two different blakes??

[strange mango]

i just changed profile picture

[toxic ocean]

I see.

[desert trail]

https://tenor.com/view/stairs-steps-fall-falling-fell-gif-15373342

at the moment all of the ships that i have that use the new paint methods use meltdown parts

[inner basalt]

WHAT

I was just about to submit and saw it X,X

[inner basalt]

wait wait wait,can I wait until walt updates the version oc to the official version and then submit it?

[strange mango]

i understand the frustration, meltdown(or any resent unstable version with major changes really) is really cool, and i get wanting to use it in the contest, but allowing unstable updates means that a patch could change a submitted ship, possibly making it illigal, meaning id have to recheck every ship every patch, possibly informing multiple participants they need to update their ships several times, which is annoying for everyone involved, yes this is posible with stable updates too, but its much less likely. in the event meltdown comes out as a stable update before the end of the contest, you are allowed to use it in submissions

[strange mango]

@inner basalt can you add the name of the ships creator to that submission?

[inner basalt]

Oh

I forget it sorryyyyy

[strange mango]

no worrys

thank you

[strange mango]

reminder that submissions close on the second of july

also @desert trail do you have non meltdown versions of your submission yet?

[slow axle]

I think it's rather unfortunate to celebrate the stable paint update while prohibilitting Meltdown preview knowing they were quite literally bundled together

I would've personally rather waited for Meltdown to release on stable if that's really an issue

[strange mango]

i realised that a tad too late, i was so focused on "oooh new decals, gotta host a contest asap" that i didnt think to wait for meltdown. and im sorry for that, if i could go back id tell my past self to wait a bit longer

[vernal lance]

meltdown is bundled with the painting system...?

[strange mango]

i have an idea, what if i extend the deadline till whenever meltdown comes out as stable?

[vernal lance]

it'd be a perpetually online contest by then

then again it'd probably be for the best considering the submission rate

[bronze citrus]

uh, theyre separate updates p sure

[tired vapor]

did u play stable

[slow axle]

They were seperated by a day, meltdown even came out publically before the paint update was released to stable

Bundled together does not mean they are the same update; it means they released together though you are free to play one or the other

[slow axle]

Your choice. The update released almost 7 weeks ago already and @black__snow's mood does not seem to indicate it will end any time soon though

Yu could cancel the contest but that would be sad (I believe it'll be the first time in cosmoteer history) and I'm sure Vaengirian made these ships specifically for the contest

[strange mango]

i dont think i will cancel, ill figure something out, i hope

[tired vapor]

just keeping it as is is fine imo

[late zenith]

I made those ships as my career save progressed and submitted them to the contest as an afterthought

[toxic ocean]

I want another official pirate design contest 🥺

[desert trail]

could be fun

[inner basalt]

Although it is a bit arrogant and greedy to say so. But I want to win the next contest and get the red name

Oh....And I guess the official version won't come so soon. I think I'd better hurry up and modify my ship and submit my work

[vernal lance]

I'm sure you'll be able to handily get the red name

[late zenith]

eh getting ships in is the ultimate goal for me, you and others can fight for the red name

[vernal lance]

(not only that you likely won't steal it from someone else by one vote)

[median patio]

Didn't even realize there was a design contest

[strange mango]

thats not the first time i heard that, i feel like there needs to be a better way to anounce unofficial contests

[vernal lance]

server role pings

[toxic ocean]

you will have to get through meeee

(koz)

[inner basalt]

Woh,will be a hard mission

[strange mango]

okay, i think i know what im going to do regarding meltdown, i will finish this contest as planned, but to make up for the lack of meltdown, the moment a stable meltdown releases, ill host another contest with it

[strange mango]

i am so sorry to have to disqualify grants submission, i hate doing that, but keep the ships, next contest will allow meltdown ships

[desert trail]

its ok

[toxic ocean]

Sameee

I already HAVE a red name for crying out loud!

[small breach]

but you're only a champion
not a real master of desing, l

[vernal lance]

shampooin has a different shade of magenta compared to mustard of signature

[toxic ocean]

Does it though, I don't think I see it.

[strange mango]

i dont see a diference either but i am slightly colour blind

[small breach]

master of design is slightly darker i think

but i might just be hallucinating because this is like insanely small differences

[toxic ocean]

Brain likes to make up fake clues sometimes, initially I thought Champion was more magenta and MoD was red.

[strange mango]

i just checked in my art program by colour picking them, they are ever so slightly diferent, its 1 pixel worth of diference in fact

[slow axle]

Congrats greeen! You broke the contest votes!

[strange mango]

i cant say ive had something like this happened before, and im pretty sure the 100% votes on protocol is a first too

[inner basalt]

lmao

Too few people participated

[desert trail]

think i might have got a few had overclocked been alowd... unfortuneate that i dont realy have any non overclocked ships useing new paint yet

[strange mango]

meltdown is out, time to write some rules

ill be done in less than 24 hours

[vernal lance]

finally, I get to reach fourth place and below for the 1344th time

[inner basalt]

Great

[desert trail]

-# cant wait to make a ship that eventualy causes new players to cry

[tired vapor]

can i proofread

usually your rules are ok but the grammar makes me \😡 \🥴

not to be rude

[strange mango]

sure thing, im dyslectic so having someone proof read helps avoid typos, the rules arnt done jet but ill dm you when they are

they wont be ready by the usual time i start my contests, i hope noone minds that

[strange mango]

rules are done, tho im waiting for 15 minutes with posting so the deadline will be a round hour

[tired vapor]

do you have the magic time block ready? i can make one @strange mango

[strange mango]

i have it ready

[tired vapor]

\👍

[vernal lance]

time to either procrastinate until I don't get to submit or not get on the podium again

[inner basalt]

Nice

[strange mango]

im curious if anyone will try an io submission, the new faction looks interesting

[vernal lance]

if I participate I very likely will

I think it's quite obvious why

with the trend of my placements though i doubt they'll be successful in any capacity

[strange mango]

ideally everyone who joins these contests regularly wins at least once, but i dont control who wins, so i cant promise anything. that said i wish you luck if you choose to participate

[inner basalt]

Sure

I have already have about 40 io ships

And I'm painging a new one now

[flint abyss]

good, my vacations start now. (i'll do my warframe daily quests first)

[strange mango]

i cant wait to see what youll submit then

[flint abyss]

the only of mine that won is the ship breach

though, expect some old renovated ships from me

[strange mango]

thats fine too

[ember flare]

ah, the joys of timezones

[median patio]

Mining laser time 🔥 🔥 🔥

[toxic ocean]

Can we ever have an official contest? Please? It feels like we had 3 per year when Blake was in charge, that figure is barely 1 per year now.

It is like that famous Soviet Union joke where people had to wait years to get the car they ordered.

[tired vapor]

ask someone to host one then

more like ask all the architects to agree to vet new ships actually

[slow axle]

It's horrible we does not have any official contest, complete radio silence, and for what reasons?

We do not even need to have our ships in career mode, please let us be happy with our special creative locked folders like the first few contest of modern

[mortal cave]

3 of the architects are absent, 0neye is occupied, Vilda isn't in the server, and I have been busy making the majority of the Great House Io ships.

I'll look into hosting another one come August.

The reason that I have not been super proactive about it is because it can be a source of stress and one easily deemed as unnecessary, on top of the fact that figuring out official systems and methods of proceeding that work is difficult, nevermind ones that don't generate complaints that are usually pointed directly towards the hosts.

[slow axle]

Hey I know it isn't your fault, I know hosting can be quite a thing to be added on an already busy life, and I don't blame any of the other architects for being absent or occupied.
But we had historical dedicated community member hosting put on the side because- from what I understood- it was easier to organize and host the architect voting for quality standard (justified)

It was said that the architects would take over but since they are thoroughly not the plans should perhaps be changed.

[inner basalt]

Really thank you for your hard work.That's not your fault

[vernal lance]

someone already posted and it's already better than what I can conceive 😭

[strange mango]

id love to help out by hosting official contests again, but as far as i know, its still an architect only thing

[inner basalt]

I thought you were an official to some extent

[strange mango]

i used to be, for a while i hosted official contests, even got a spot in the credits of the game because of it, but at one point walt wanted the architects to be in charge of official contests, so i switched to doing unofficial ones

[strange mango]

@desert trail its a phenomenal build, love the temmie pixel art, but mods, including build in mods like huge ships, are not allowed, nor are illegal builds. so unfortunatly the submission doesnt qualify, im sorry. you can still submit something else

[slow axle]

Is this really necessary acknowledging this is an unofficial contest?

Though it is written in the rules so I won't contest your decision

[strange mango]

i suppose you have a point, theres not really a point to having a size limit in unofficial contests, i just keep writing it due to force of habit, i rather not change a rule mid contest, but for future unofficial contests i think im gonna leave it out

[desert trail]

i entirely forgot about that

[vernal lance]

I have been cemented back into 4th place and below

[restive umbra]

@desert trail nice story writing

[ember flare]

wonder how i'm gonna do in my first design contest

[simple valve]

@desert trail why is the station named [[hochi mama]]

[desert trail]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune

[vernal lance]

time to get no votes again 🔥

[desert trail]

i love how you used the screenshot i took of Io's lore

-# the privateers are watching

[restive umbra]

rare color scheme on second one

i approve

[median patio]

are ships made in the sound and range preview betas allowed in the contest? the previews dont provide any new aesthetic options

[strange mango]

please use the latest stable version

[tired vapor]

they lod and look the same

[strange mango]

reminder that the deadline is at the end of this week

[toxic ocean]

Folks should I make le ship

Steampunk stratopol

[desert trail]

Would be cool, you have 6 days remaining...

[vernal lance]

get to work nick

this time frame is your time to shine

[desert trail]

Five days remaining...

[toxic ocean]

I went somewhere and left my laptop home so don't spam me anylonger lol

[desert trail]

ah okedoke

[tired vapor]

gg

[elfin venture]

should i post a third large ship or a smaller ship?

[lament skiff]

get a variety

[vernal lance]

you should post a third large ship that turns into a smaller ship

[elfin venture]

just 90% explosive charges

[strange mango]

from my experience as a contest host, large ships tend to get more votes

also, submissions close in 24 hours

[vernal lance]

nick you have 3 hours left you have to submit a ship

[strange mango]

2 hours till deadline

[toxic ocean]

yay its time to sumbit sip

[elfin venture]

@strange mango the voting form seems to include me twice?

[desert trail]

corupt left Yahweh's railguns on autofire

[desert trail]

i think its cause you axedently submited 4 ships

hey activate windows, you forgot airlocks and fire extinguishers lol

鸟鱼星 and Mr.Bigglesworth also missed an arlock on a ship

in bouth cases tho i think its cause they might be pvp ships

[vernal lance]

I forgor 👲

[ember flare]

damn, Incident is so small compared to most of the ships around it

[late zenith]

you literally can't see Code Beamer's paint in that image bc its the smallest ship of all submissions

[elfin venture]

oh
thats because i submitted it, then deleted the submission because i wanted all my ships next to each other

[strange mango]

oh youre right, im so sorry. but luckily nobody has double voted, so ill just add up both of them for the final result, and ask ppl to pick 1 but not both. and it shouldnt make any diference

[strange mango]

oh i didnt catch that, my bad, ill remove the deleted ship and repost the save

[slow axle]

It's worth to mention that as a tournament host myself, I can confirm Blake sees individual's votes and you will get caught if you double vote rednax

[elfin venture]

wasn't planning on it

[desert trail]

Lol

[lament skiff]

I voted for myself thrice

[restive umbra]

I put myself in and voted for myself

[inner basalt]

I don't have a Google account to the extent that I can't even do this

[lament skiff]

shouldn’t need one

[inner basalt]

umm,it said I need to log in

[small breach]

idk if you need to log in but i'm psure you need an email to vote

[lament skiff]

Oh i see

idk how it automatically logged me in

i will choose to not worry

[small breach]

it's google docs so it should do that i think

[lament skiff]

im on my phone so i shouldn’t be logged into it lol

[small breach]

i mean if it's ios hten idk

[toxic ocean]

Guys it won't let me submit the ship that I 100% definitely made

[lament skiff]

[strange mango]

the google account is so people cant vote more than once, but if you dont have one, dm me your top 3 and ill add them manually using my personal google account

[inner basalt]

Oh I just kiding lmao.that's not a very important thing

[strange mango]

ah okay, i thought you where annoyed about being unable to vote so i thought id offer to help. i didnt realise it was only a joke

[vernal lance]

oh wow, I didn't make it to the top 3, what a surprise

[elfin venture]

hey you did better than i did

[vernal lance]

I find that surprising

especially considering that all I did was io

[elfin venture]

probably cus the MSA ships i submitted use a very subdued paintstyle that's not especially flashy

[vernal lance]

either way it has been made clear to me that I fell off and that I should stop participating

[elfin venture]

"i have lost this sports competition. therefore, i will give up the sport"

[vernal lance]

(un)surprisingly enough that is how I think and what has happened to things I have participated in before

[elfin venture]

i mean, if you're gonna stop doing something at least do it because you don't want to anymore, not because you think it's impossible to get better at the thing

[inner basalt]

Yeahhhhh now I have bragging rights!

[vernal lance]

usually one causes the other and as an effect, both happen in a cycle until the universe explodes

[inner basalt]

Still nice works.I really love this one

Maybe next time you can try submitting three different styles and win！

[vernal lance]

unfortunately I'm unoriginal, which makes me unable to do so

like that thing, which is a combination of the big iron silos, your deep blue civilian io scheme, and motifs of 0neye all merged into an inherently oversaturated style of painting

[inner basalt]

three build-in style also cool!

[strange mango]

you did get in the top 4 though

[vernal lance]

yeah but it isn't a rank that's mentioned

which basically makes it meaningless

[strange mango]

i still think you did well, i only ping the top 3 cause we as humans usually have the podium positions of gold, silver and bronze, that doesnt mean the positions below that are completely worthless. almost making it to the podium in any other competition is still an impressive feat. so why would that be any diference here?

[vernal lance]

while the achievement itself may be "impressive" to a bystander, not getting recognition for it just feels undermining for any effort put into the craft, it's in a similar situation to getting silver but amplified due to the lack of a tangible reward
it just makes it feel like I'm just some random that lost because my efforts weren't worthy enough for anything meaningful, made worse by the supposed title of "master of design" being written upon me

[strange mango]

i see, i suppose i understand where you are coming from, im sorry that you feel this way, i dont know what i can do to help though, i want everyone to enjoy my contests, but i dont control who wins. i suppose i can do an honourable mention for 4th place, but i dont know if that would help

[vernal lance]

ehh it's fine, I'm just a silly little manchild that throws tantrums because I don't like losing

if I give in and quit due to my own lack of self-care then that's on me

[strange mango]

if you say so

[bitter ocean]

By the way, I'd like to know who voted for me?

[desert trail]

Might have been me? I don't actually remember if I did you or greenxchecken

[bitter ocean]

thanks

[ember flare]

2 votes for me

reasonable

[restive umbra]

Your style is unique and really clean

I didn't vote but maybe I should have

[strange mango]

i cant see who voted for who as i dont collect usernames, a google account is needed but i dont have access to the account names. but it looks like it may have been admral grant based on their response to your question

[slow axle]

Collecting usernames would result in collecting email addresses of everyone involved which might be a privacy concern in our cases

[strange mango]

thats exactly why i dont collect them

[median patio]

That's also why I can use the most random email I have to vote

Cause Google doesn't allow me to change emails for some odd reason

[toxic ocean]

I've never heard of MSA before. Uh... Mediocre, states of america?

[toxic ocean]

GG. I've heard they make a great currency for buying absolutely nothing.

[elfin venture]

nah
new faction i've been making since meltdown

[toxic ocean]

Let's be honest here 'mediocre states of america' rolls off the tongue much better than 'new faction i've been making since meltdown'

[desert trail]

Should do a civilan ships contest next

[toxic ocean]

Stillll waiting for another official contest.

We should make PIRATE STATIONS!!!!!

[lament skiff]

Is a pirate station not just a faction station

[slow axle]

I'm willing to take host of an unofficial civilian design contest if neither blake or the architects has plans for it

[late zenith]

civvy ships would be really fun

[simple valve]

I need to lock back in in the mono civvie grindset

[vernal lance]

I need to lock back in in the grindset

[simple valve]

You and I are not so different

[strange mango]

unsure if the architects have anything planned but my next contest will be in november or later, i dont have planned anything spesific yet

[slow axle]

Do you wish me to host civilian contest for the month of october or november?

Seem like you've been pushing it a lot, since I recall you've once considered it

[strange mango]

if you want you can host the civ contest, i wont be able to host for october as ill be away from home for part of the month. i have considered hosting a civilian contest myself but i dont mind having someone else host it

[toxic ocean]

No I mean unique ones for pirates specifically

[slow axle]

If in three weeks I have figured out a doc, I will

[desert trail]

if you need help with that let me know, i probibly can help

[slow axle]

I just need to figure out whether to base on built-in faction or not, what defines a civilian ship, and that's pretty much it

I wouldn't like to see anyone just use their combat ship scheme and essentially do the same thing but stripped off of weapons

Haven't taken a look at Io's ships yet too

[desert trail]

fringe and cabal use basicly the same scheme for combat and civilan, Imperium has its red swaped with white, Io swaps its orange with cyan and sometimes turquoise, and Monolith uses greys

io also has like 4 diferent shades

with an non bultin example, most of my civilans use the same colors as the combat ones (i'll probibly change that at some point to make it more aparint that its not a combat ship)
the one example i do have is the Weldyards part of the ships which use a dark turquoise for the civilans and brown for the combat ones

while civlan ships usualy dont have weapons, they sometimes do have low grade stuff like Pd, lasers, Emps and perhaps mines, as an defenceive loadout

imperium is an exeption with nukes

honistly the mane things that make a civilan a civilan are being very fast, 60-80 usualy, sometimes even 100. haveing lots of storage, and menuvibility, enugh armor to survie glanceing hits sometimes,

also utilitys like the resorce colector

perhaps mineing laser also

no idea if all this helps but hopefuly it somewhat does

[lament skiff]

I dont think there are any builtins with ML’s

unless Io added some

[north willow]

sometimes, less storages but lots of crew

[desert trail]

yep those ones are the crew transports

[slow axle]

I'm not sure if I should wait and start the civilian contest on the first of october, a wednesday.
What date would suits you best?

[lament skiff]

Depends how long it’ll run for

@slow axle

[slow axle]

A month, like every contests thus far

[lament skiff]

dont think it matters then

[slow axle]

Well it might give extra days for some and extra less for others

[lament skiff]

Sooner better

[elfin venture]

can i dump lore in this channel? or should it be somewhere else

[vernal lance]

a civvie contest, 2 years overdue

[slow axle]

You can post lore here, but why here specifically?

[slow axle]

Instead of complaining you hadn't it sooner you can be happy that it's here

or host it sooner yourself

[elfin venture]

wdym "there" im asking about here

[slow axle]

I'm sorry if I made a mistake, to me those two words mean the same. I did meant "here"

[elfin venture]

ah
just because this is the most convenient and obvious place to put it, and you said dont put lore on the ship submissions themselves

[vernal lance]

this is a comprehensive diagram of what happens to my messages, including the one you've replied to

[slow axle]

Sure! Feel free to post it here

[inner basalt]

Yep,it's clearly a civ ship,I might should post this

[elfin venture]

Medicinal Deck Cannons

[simple valve]

deck cannons make ammo trading a lot faster

[desert trail]

"As I've said before, The ships of Weldyards typically have a convoluted history behind them.

An example I've got today for you folks is this reforged Structure class salvager. It's history goes a little something like this;

Owned by Weldyards before Monolith started aggressive sales tactics, Stolen by us Fringies, Sold back to Weldyards, Sat in a drydock for like 20 or so years, Refurbished and now? Well, Like any old thing those enginheros have stashed away, 'For they loath to throw anything that could be useful.' (Or so I've been told,) They've done gone and rebuilt the thing from head to toe. And like many a thing them boy's been tinkering with it works like a charm!

Anywho, Hope yall liked this segment on our strange relatives friends, Stay tuned for more news on things the government try's to expunge!"

• Tallkeiv timmy, Fringe talkshow host.
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[slow axle]

I do not know if I have been clear enough in the rules but you are all fully free to submit up to three ships

Of course if you planned on only submitting your best you are more than welcomed

[desert trail]

yep

[desert trail]

#1059085469708734515 message
"Best thing I've ever stolen"

-Davik

[raven isle]

#1059085469708734515 message

Made to replace dependency to union cargo ships

Kometh Empire's first non-military vessel

excels against Woda Consortium for defending itself

'cause

you know

it annihilates missiles

(Kometh Empire, Kometh Empire Civilian Department, Civilian Union and Woda Consortium are factions made by me)

Easily bullied by high power weapons

(yup, it's basically a space victim)

[elfin venture]

#1059085469708734515 message
The Englobed Shade-class freighter can serve as a freighter, yes - but it specializes in the transportation of exotic, volatile, dangerous, and/or fragile goods that may be irreplaceable. This includes such objects as alien bacteria, curious geological samples, or salvaged AI cores. These exotic items are loaded into the specially sealed cargo sphere at the centre of the ship, separated from the outside world by innumerable defenses and layers of protection. Attempting to break into this cargo sphere when it is sealed is virtually impossible for anything but starship weaponry - and it is actually impossible to force one's way in with any delicate cargo remaining intact.

only took me about a week to remember i hadn't actually posted the lore for this thing after i posted it

[vernal lance]

I should setup a daily reminder that yells at me to make a contest ship so that I wont forget it exists

[desert trail]

i can do that

@vernal lance make design contest ship, you have 26 days remaining

[slow axle]

@dusty orchid @verbal pond Just to be clear, I will attach your submissions picture as is in the google forms voting document, next to everyone else

If no shots are available I'll attach the ship file as PNG. And by the way, if you include multiple shots I will attach the one where the submission is most visible unless asked otherwise

[dusty orchid]

got it so if I want to add a pick for my ship now where do I post it?

[slow axle]

Considering your submission already got reactions and I don't want to force you to delete it and submit again, you can simply post it here and attach the link in your existing submission

[verbal pond]

I can take a diff pick rq

[dusty orchid]

got it

[verbal pond]

game just need to load rq

@slow axle I updated the image

[dusty orchid]

here #1059085469708734515 message

I even made some background

[verbal pond]

I think i got carried away though tbh

[slow axle]

Ah, I meant to attach the link of your picture in your submission, not the other way around
Sorry about that

#general message

[dusty orchid]

oh got it

[dusty orchid]

like this ?#1059085469708734515 message

[verbal pond]

@dusty orchid how did you link your image like that?

[dusty orchid]

"copy link" after right clicking

at the image

[verbal pond]

it just gives me a massive link

oh

nvm

didn't know discord could do that

thx

[dusty orchid]

np

[late zenith]

I had a lot of fun accidentally (and intentionally) exploding my ships while make my submissions

[lament skiff]

@median patio bro built a combat ship

[desert trail]

thats all 3 of my ships done

[slow axle]

I am very glad to see so many submissions and players having fun barely one week into the contest!!

[verbal pond]

@slow axle, I have a bunch of small ships designed to look like actual life cars (I am very proud of them). Am I allowed to submit them, or would it be against the rules?

[slow axle]

@verbal pond Your ship have a little too much missiles and deck cannons for the few cargo containers it have... You sure it's for self defense?

[slow axle]

I don't understand how it could be against the rules! For long as they are civilians and you follow the submission format, you are free to use ships of any shapes or themes

[vernal lance]

hi @slow axle is this too much firepower

if it gets lucky it can kill an obviator

[dusty orchid]

I think railguns count to (heavy artillery)

[slow axle]

Doubt so! Especially if you have lore reasons to do so

You can still shorten the railgun or turn it to coridoor if you're unsure (all needed is being unable to be used to kill ships of larger size or as a career main)

[desert trail]

i made a fringe ship like that once

[verbal pond]

great, I'll send pic later.

[verbal pond]

nvm

I don't think they would be allowed

but I'll post anyway, just to get your opinion. @slow axle

If they aren't allowed, I'll use a different ship

[verbal pond]

The weapons are more for self defence and intimidation. In reality, what this ship is, is a ship you can buy ammo and missile pieces for a heavily discounted price. Its basically a mobile ammo cache.

That one is also just a secondary design, the green one is the main design.

[spring haven]

#1059085469708734515 message
The C2 cargo ships are the backbone of the Rings of Saturn Merchant Fleet. They haul cargo between RoS systems and conduct most of the trade with other factions. The design has been produced continuously for almost 80 years, beginning twenty years after the destruction of Sol.

#1059085469708734515 message
The C3 class cargo vessels are specifically designed for transporting cargo in hostile areas. Derived from the ubiquitous C2 class, they mount a single deck cannon for protection. C3s operate as part of the fleet train or transport cargo in higher risk systems. They often operate together in convoys.

#1059085469708734515 message
The U1 mining vessels supply massive quantities of raw materials to RoSMF manufacturing stations, which in turn provide the materials needed to continue expanding both the Merchant and Defense fleets. U1s can also be found cleaning space lanes and salvaging wrecks.

[verbal pond]

Haven't gotten yelled at for my last submission, so I'll take that it's allowed.

[lament skiff]

i dont see any rulebreaking personally but xsnow might just not be online yet

[slow axle]

Scout ships are allowed!

I hadn't thought of them anytime until your submission, but truly all civilian types are allowed. Itchy info board and border post for example would be more than welcomed in this contest

Sun divers, Ion storm delvers, scouts and beacons are so too allowed! For long as you make it clear in your description what their purposes are, and they do not possess the means of destroying larger ships than theirs, everything is allowed

The only thing not allowed actually (it's more of a blacklist than a whitelist) are trading stations, such as those seen in Blake's contest. A large static pile of storage with hyper drive beacons attached, for example.

They already had their time to shine and will perhaps so in the future, plus they're always large builds that I consider very different from literally anything else. So they don't have their place here

[slow axle]

My timezone is UTC+1, and I was indeed sleeping
I always wake up before 12pm (noon) though so you can be sure I'm here by then

[desert trail]

beacons you say
.

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#1059085469708734515 message

(replaced Lhasa for it)

[slow axle]

If you had all three submissions already you need to delete one now

The goal is not to have players dump their whole civilian folder either

[desert trail]

did

[slow axle]

Great! I had not noticed your ship was named Lhasa

[toxic ocean]

Is blackwolf just a damn AI faction

[desert trail]

no

[toxic ocean]

Doesn't seem like it

[desert trail]

but we do have more robots then the other factions

[toxic ocean]

Also what is this 'contest' about

[desert trail]

civilan ships

[toxic ocean]

Ah ok

[slow axle]

I should link the google doc for those who missed it in announcements https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JwGic4tgjeDbat4ByXYYHkocd4FVZ-hl-345JQWd8-g/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.u7t1bsj8tmzo
I really tried to keep it tidy and concise this time

[elfin venture]

#1059085469708734515 message
"A ship with a distressingly difficult to navigate cargo hold, compensated for with an outsize number of manipulator beams to allow for swift trading regardless. It would seem the designer intended the crew to spend as little time as possible actually moving about the ship and and its cargo and as much time as possible polishing its golden surface."

forgot to include the .ship file first time round

#1059085469708734515 message
"Perhaps the most beloved ship among the ranks of the Preserver Civil Service, and for good reason. It's quick, turns surprisingly well, holds a lot of stuff, has a mostly sensibly arranged cargo hold, and is relatively quick and easy to load and unload. And, as a bonus, no other ship allows you to make quite as many dick jokes at the expense of the shipwrights and freight-fleet organizers in stations above you."

[toxic ocean]

#1059085469708734515 message
Here's the original lore of The Colonial:
More than just a trusted workhorse of the Stratopoline cosmonautical economy, The Colonial represents those who look forward, the vanguardists of the trade network, those bold enough to stray off the beaten path and explore the vast dangers on their own, in efforts to find new routes.

Don't let the word Colonial scare you. Colonization does not strictly imply overtaking and oppression of civilizations; it can come in ways as mild and simple as charting new paths on the star map. The defining Industro-Gothic appearance of the Stratopoline trade guild serves a reminder of this, on top of many other things.

I hope you like the shippo

[dusty orchid]

#1059085469708734515 message if yal want lore its in lore section inside the ship (next to the name and creator (me)) (just saying)

[slow axle]

@inner basalt Please I would appreciate if you keep it 1 ship - 1 message, so the channel doesn't get too long to scroll through

Including your ship files that's two discord message for each ships

[inner basalt]

Oh

OK

Sorry

wait a minute

Done

[dusty orchid]

dont you think 2dc and 2 flaks are a bit of an overkill for a small deffensive weapon?

[inner basalt]

No since it's for a large clivan ship

[vernal lance]

just wait till you see my civilians

[slow axle]

It's a pretty large and defenseless cargo ship. If it had more armor it could be used for completing mercenary missions on smaller ship and thus be unacceptable

[vernal lance]

[Decorator](#1059085469708734515 message) - Tensions with the Monolith have been on the rise, which means that the Cygnus has been getting paranoid, arming civilians with excessively powerful "self-defense" weapons, inadvertedly making the already sour relations of the Cygnus and Monolith worse due to the way newer pilots treat said weapons.

[Embryal](#1059085469708734515 message) - Once a low-orbit vessel, only created for delivery at planets and housing near the surface, it was converted into a space-faring civilian cargo vessel. It saddened the planet dwellers, seeing the beloved models go, but the Cygnus' governing leaders claimed that it was due to "a lack of resources" despite the faction's clear design philosophy of sparkling, gilded ships.

[Disarmer](#1059085469708734515 message) - The Cygnus has been struggling with enticing its population to work with civilian vessels, whether it'd be regular citizens, military personnel, veterans, etc. The Cygnus' civilian branch has been running dry, supply lines to station and arms depots get cut off, and even the number of standard delivery vessels carrying goods has been declining. This in turn has caused the higher powers of Cygnus to try and appeal to the more violent side of the populous, to less than ideal heights, barely suppressing the decline of the amount of civilian pilots in the collective.

[inner basalt]

Use railgun to send things fast

[median patio]

No huge ships right?

[slow axle]

Huge ships is allowed!

I was pondering to recall why the no mods that modify or adds parts rule even exist, when a flash suddenly reached me that it's simply because I wouldn't be able to verify the submission.
I worded the rule specifically so you can use huge ships or qol mods or graphics mods! Or even illegal designs for long as they're functional

[median patio]

Oh huge ships is allowed? I have a great plan

[slow axle]

Ahhh, don't fill the whole grid either I don't want you to spend 70 hours on a single ship
That would be quite unfair for the other contestants

[lament skiff]

[median patio]

dw its not that insane

[mortal cave]

How would that be unfair for other contestants?

[simple valve]

Because clearly bigger equals better

[toxic ocean]

I was being unfair to the other contestants locking the hell in on Soltron and painting it for 60 hours straight 😔

||Exaggeration, the entire ship took 60 hours not just painting||

[lament skiff]

Everyone has the opportunity to make a big ship

dont see the unfairness

[small breach]

i see potential unfairness to the big ship builder i think

what if they spent so much effort on it but the quailty just wasn't there so they lose?

[mortal cave]

I feel as though the argument here is "I shot myself in the foot so I should get a head start in the race" 💀

[toxic ocean]

Intentional handicap from other contestants to give the foot shot guy a fair chance

[north willow]

i did forget to test crew prototype using ship that one time...

[inner basalt]

@novel coyote Fantastic ship!

[novel coyote]

thank you!

[lament skiff]

mungbean more like goatbeam

[slow axle]

I am surprised nobody has done crew transport ships thus far
The cargo ships looks wonderful though I am glad to see this contest been so popular!

[elfin venture]

is Corpo's Disarmer not a crew transport?

[slow axle]

You've got a point

[inner basalt]

The windows of the dormitory have a significant impact on the painting. If it's purely for aesthetic reasons, it's better to directly replace them with 3x4 storage space

[lament skiff]

Blue protocol addiction got me down bad

I will build at least one ship

[verbal pond]

I built a crew transport ship designed to look like a bus

but I have used my 3 submissions

[vernal lance]

then remove one of your submissions for bus

[slow axle]

For long as you delete one of your previous submissions you can submit a new one

[verbal pond]

I was just saying I built a crew transport ship

[raven isle]

#1059085469708734515 message
CBMC means Created By My Chair.
My chair is cool 'cause it rotates pretty quickly.
I love things that rotates !
Maybe I am rotating my chair while you are reading this.
Who knows ?

The ship is specialized in the ''AAAAAAAAAAH RUN AWAY'' combat strategy.
32 souls
270.950 Cr (crew included)

[slow axle]

Myself have my own deadline to meet before friday, so I will gather all submissions in the form tomorrow

16 unique participants is very impressive to me! The Guardian paint contest was overflowing with submissions I recall and it had 21 unique participants

[novel coyote]

I've been putting all the submissions in a save if it's helpful to anyone

[desert trail]

Nuce

Nice*

[toxic ocean]

Mung knows he has this in the bag and is doing some philanthropy work.

Is there prize by the way?

[verbal pond]

Oh

Wait

Nope

Doesn't work for less either

Now it works

I had to pick 8 submissions

[slow axle]

Is there anything wrong?

Voting less than 9 submissions works fine on my end, and seems to be working fine for others too
The 14th voter only selected 4 builds for example

[raven isle]

do you need the save files for my ships or is it ok without ?

(sorry for ping)

[novel coyote]

I just put blank spaces for any ships missing a file

[raven isle]

so it's ok (?)

[novel coyote]

well I probably won't edit the save and send it again so yes

[raven isle]

ok

[verbal pond]

yeah, i think it was just me

I still voted tho

It just didn't like it when i picked 9 total submissions

[hazy edge]

In the design contest chat, straight up rotating it
and by it, haha, well, lets just say, my chair

[dusty orchid]

#tournament-announcements message so or my ship got the first place or its quite low in the ranking (and I dont think its the first option sadly)

[vernal lance]

for some reason I feel compelled to vote duralumin

[late zenith]

I've never seen so many ships tie before, but i know where mine rank and thats deep below

[dusty orchid]

Very likely same

[verbal pond]

Same here

[toxic ocean]

Cerulean Centrifuge was not in the tiebreaker, so my bets are on it taking no.1. If so, definitely a first place worthy ship quality wise but kinda not earnt because it wasn't made for the faction and doesn't even feature any OC features.

[slow axle]

I will note that large tie breaker can cause speculations which may spoil the results or create false expectations.

[vernal lance]

i found it interesting how disarmer reached the tie breaker

[novel coyote]

Was it being made for a faction a requirement?

I would be kind of surprised if it did win though, like half the pant is copy and paste and it was even made before the paint update

[toxic ocean]

My bad I am stupid, I meant for CONTEXT not faction

[novel coyote]

it's been 24 hours and 15 minutes where the results

[slow axle]

The message got sent while I was writing it, I apologies to everyone that got pinged

[toxic ocean]

Oo so that's what it was

I was so spot on the Centrifuge winning

So I didn't get top 3 post tiebreaker, sadg

Well, not like there was a prize to get attached to, most importantly I had fun building Colonial

[slow axle]

I'm starting to think any voting system is flawed, The Colonial and Shredder ended second to last in the tie breaker making them like 4th or 6th place while when they were among all other ships they got 3rd place?

Kererū also grabbing that spot kind out of nowhere? it's a remontada!

[slow axle]

I invite you to read the whole announcement message so you know what happened

[slow axle]

Having fun was in the rules, was it?

[toxic ocean]

Bold of you to assume I didn't. Honestly I really don't think that the whole 10% vote difference is a good rule. On the 2nd time people had voted vastly different things than in the first one, so this might as well be 2 separate votes for no reason. A 3-way tie breaker would've been a way cleaner and simpler solution.

[slow axle]

Bold of me to assume we read at the same speed! 😅

[dusty orchid]

welp excluding my vote I got 1 vote on BOTH of my ships :|

[novel coyote]

Honestly surprised misplaced responsibility got 6 votes

[toxic ocean]

I wonder, when, or if ever, will we have another official design contest?

Sorry if that's something annoying, I'm just curious if there are any plans for the near future.

[desert trail]

i wonder that too, could be cool to have like the rouge Cosmoteers combat ships, civilans of that style

or stations

[late zenith]

yeah player made ships would be way scarier and funnier than built ins

I'd love to fight that one splitter I recently made in a career game

[slow axle]

The last statement walt gave on the matter imply there are no plans for official design contests and has no mention of it being a priority

[desert trail]

sad

[mortal cave]

Designing time

[lament skiff]

LETS FUCKGIGN GOOOOOO

[proud cypress]

yippie :D

[desert trail]

Yeeeeeeeee

This is go8ng to be fun

[median patio]

I have new ideas after not playing for a while

Hopefully they come to fruition

[ember flare]

damn, i don't really have a good independent style. might have to try some things tho

[tired vapor]

does this count

[mortal cave]

The entire storage should be empty. It should be a dedicated storage that has no purpose other than being empty

[tired vapor]

has to be exactly 1?

[mortal cave]

You can have multiple for symmetry reasons, and they can be any size, such as a 2x3 for an odd ship. But there shouldn't be a lot of them

[lament skiff]

Is there a reason for this

[mortal cave]

It's a sort of future proofing. If devs come up with missions that utilize it then ships will be equipped to carry quest-relevant items for players to take or protect.

[lament skiff]

blud knows something we dont

[mortal cave]

That isn't a confirmation of anything being worked on or planned, mind

[lament skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[proud cypress]

some days for me it's the other way around

I've found it really depends on my mood if I feel like building or painting

[long oasis]

@mortal cave
is the max ship price 2m?

[lament skiff]

not saris but yes

100k-2m

[long oasis]

thank you but fffffffffffffffffffff

[lament skiff]

wha

[long oasis]

i m annoyed

[lament skiff]

Also you can see the rules here

#tournament-announcements message

[long oasis]

i know i just wanted to clariffy

[night plover]

I couldn't find this anywhere: Is this specifically aimed at combat ships? Or both combat and civilian?

[mortal cave]

Combat, though civilian ships is interesting. I'll ask Walt after December holidays end, and he may give the go-ahead for civilian independents too

[desert trail]

Yippee

[night plover]

I wonder if these will mainly fight with or against the player (and which case would make people build the more nasty ships XD)

[toxic ocean]

Woaaah!

[toxic ocean]

What happened to this I wonder??

Time to actually flippin' win for a change. Maybe. I'm rusty as all hell

[slow axle]

I guess we can all thanks Saris who I expect is at the source of this 😄

[inner basalt]

Woahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[inner basalt]

this will be cool but I guess I need to do my homework first

[dusty orchid]

welp I will try to make a good ship but I may make smth bad (last time I made 2 ships and I got 3 votest and I voted for my self)

[late zenith]

heck yeah chrimas came early, a new ship drive

[proud cypress]

Ok I know the answer is prolly no but what if we could submit a station :D

[toxic ocean]

I want to make something unorthodox.

[late zenith]

I (will) make something unorthodox

[night plover]

I am making something unorthodox

[long oasis]

i wanna see were this goes !

[lament skiff]

I am making something orthodox

[toxic ocean]

Actually same

[vernal lance]

I will make something ununorthodox

[desert trail]

i will make something

[deft kayak]

i should make something

[elfin venture]

I will something

[desert trail]

real question, why the heck does this work, and yes i will be contiueing this

[lament skiff]

the humble ocflak

[vernal lance]

that's like, 100 lasers, of course it's gonna do massive damage

[lament skiff]

its hard to see but doesnt look like it can resupply either

funny idea tho

[night plover]

I wonder how many people will trip over the 10m/s backwards speed required. My initial single oc thruster certainly didn't cut it XD

[late zenith]

that requirement is kinda annoying since there's some built ins that don't really have back thrust

[desert trail]

the heck you mean the silly dorito laser ship can core orion?!

its like a mill cheeper too

[lament skiff]

1. thrust has changed between various updates so many of them used to be able to hit it in reverse
2. they dont fly well

[mortal cave]

I set -10/s because multiple people failed to include any reverse thrust and were immediately disqualified

Presumably people will pay more attention to it now

[desert trail]

feew, ime safe

-# i have to remaike the entire thrust aray cause its too slow...

[tired vapor]

is this maximum possible backwards speed, or thrust only

like if i were to have a hypothetical ion capacitor that generates thrust and the ai can use

[bronze citrus]

take a guess air

[tired vapor]

well it's always on

so ai can fully use it

[toxic ocean]

How do you have it always on? Ion capacitor needs to have at least 2 stages, charging and unloading, right?

[tired vapor]

yes

i mean it charges when ai deems it time to charge and unloads when ai thinks it's combat time

[slow axle]

Are those overclocked?

[night plover]

Oc smalls have hitscan

That would be disco inferno, not bullet rain

[toxic ocean]

How'd that work?

Ohhh right! Prism points back, making a loop, ship see enemy prism rotate to face enemy opening the capacitor, then it becomes a regular ion after the burst. Genius air genius

I did experiment with this one time but now I want to make an actual AI ship around the mechanic.

Plus, no disconnection chicanery required.

[simple valve]

Tho the capacitor would only be filled for how long the ship is loaded in and could only fire once per engagement

[mortal cave]

Ships are not allowed to autofire their weapons

[desert trail]

nope

[dusty orchid]

first ship done

hell ye

Wait I dont need to connect the storage to any airlocks right?

[small breach]

like 14 small thrusters cut it for me(on a 2mil (oc)railfan mind you)

realised that you only need to move 5m/s backwards with your thrusters the rest is free with magic thrust

[small breach]

honestly think it's a great way to do it since it doesn't mean you can get away with nothing and just surf off of magic thrust while still being easy because magic thrust still gets you half way there

[dusty orchid]

Same here but just 8

[tired vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[slow axle]

@mortal cave I just finished reading the entirety of the rule document and I am left with a question, why do ships must have very inefficient FTL with a maximum of 50% efficiency?

[mortal cave]

Hmm, actually, you're right.

That's a necessary restriction for the built-in ships, as Monolith designs are supposed to have a factional trait of the highest FTL efficiency. Independents don't need to worry about that though; in fact, it should probably be higher for them.

I've revised the rules, thank you!

[night plover]

No prisms or chainguns for the other ships to be made, otherwise I'll end up with another sanity attack...

[tired vapor]

one of my ships is only prisms and chainguns lol

[small breach]

gotta say the ships this tourney are going to be stacked

my confidence would've been absolutely shattered if not for the fact i never had it to begin with

[dusty orchid]

ye sadly that means that I have to make even better ships than I have ever before to have a chance of beanin in there (and the ship I posted arredy cus from what I saw only 2 people ever acknowledge it existence (at least in here))

[small breach]

i don't even think i'm capable of that i'm just not cut out for it i think

[dusty orchid]

eh at least make 1 ship just cus why not

it doesnt have to be good just that it exists

[small breach]

i'm going to do a collab with super and make a couple but i don't think i can win at all

i don't agree with that because the whole point of this is putting your best efforts, not only does it lower one's chances even more but it also feels insulting to the other contestants who have put their best effort in

[dusty orchid]

well same here I aint wining but there is a smal chance

[dusty orchid]

well ye i didnt ment that to just put a random ship in there but a ship that you tried to make the best as you can so what that it didnt win it was still a good try

[lament skiff]

It’s a ship drive not a contest

[small breach]

same thing different name imo

my definition for winning is very simple, it gets into the game, the process won't affect that much

and also the fact that it's voting for authors and not ships only makes it more of a contest since now it's not between ships it's between artists and how consistently they can put out high quality ships

[lament skiff]

That’s for the master of design role, dev team chooses which ships get into game

and they do it by ship not by author

[small breach]

oh i just read it wrong then sorry

[lament skiff]

[small breach]

that does give me hope though

[lament skiff]

Ye

Don’t gotta beat other people

You just gotta meet saris’ standards

[small breach]

i have a better chance i just need to lock in

[small breach]

rip other architects

[lament skiff]

It’s just saris rn right

vilda makes ships but otherwise isn’t present

[small breach]

oneye is still active tho

[lament skiff]

not in this server

[small breach]

fair enough

[lament skiff]

I guess he’s slightly more active in excelsior? idk

[small breach]

also in tidepool

[vernal lance]

the submissions are already making the ships I expect myself to make look boring and generic

they aren't even real and they've already been overshadowed 😭

[small breach]

reallll

[lament skiff]

L negativity in chat

[versed locust]

I believe in you guys!!

[night plover]

Remember that any amount of ships will be added to the game, as long as they pass the dev teams vote.

[slow axle]

A collab with sup3r?

[small breach]

yeah

[small breach]

this is what gives me hope

but i still don't think i can compete all too well due to being creatively bankrupt

[mortal cave]

Doing something derivative doesn't mean it's bad

As the saying goes, originality is overrated

[small breach]

it's not about being derivative rather not flashy and unique, an example would be something like this isn't bad but it isn't all the flashy or unique atleast in my eyes due to the fact that it's just another one of the many red and white base layer black ship with text and symbol even tho i tried really hard to not make it that

[night plover]

New players are probably also going to identify better with more standard ships, or players that like specific shows a lot.

[small breach]

this may just be my own bias tho since i've tried to be as unique(which btw i use this word as like something that stands out even when put near similar ships) and flashy with my paint as possible

[hazy edge]

thought one specific part of this ship's paint would look cool as a flag so

it also has some silly lore in desc

[lament skiff]

@mortal cave is my neon hyper overdrive paint still a no-go or are we more accepting now

[mortal cave]

No idea whatsoever in any way what you're referring to

[elfin venture]

i believe concrete is referring to this ship

[mortal cave]

Did I say that was a no go at some point?

[lament skiff]

Last ship drive you said it was too painful on the eyes to be accepted

[mortal cave]

Huh. Well, my apologies. I don't see any issue with the style. I'm not super partial to it myself, but it looks promising, and some other Dev may love it

[lament skiff]

I mean I understand

It is about as eye burning as you can get without being legit cancer paint

But I hope the wider paint community can see this style’s glory someday

[elfin venture]

i think everyone can see it

[lament skiff]

[proud cypress]

this goes hard, no I'm not biased towards light spam

[lament skiff]

Lights are the 5th layer

[lament skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[proud cypress]

TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN

[late zenith]

I read the doc wrong at first and thought the price cap was 2 mil, it's actually 3 meaning I already got a ship waiting in the wings for late game

[lament skiff]

It was 2

@mortal cave was this an intentional change

[late zenith]

apparently specific to this contest

[lament skiff]

ik but it was 2m as of yesterday

so saris recently changed it

or a couple days ago

idk

[late zenith]

its a good change, cause we lose grant's insane laser submission otherwise and I don't get my fun with late game splitters

[mortal cave]

Yes, but I don't expect anyone to really go that high

[elfin venture]

question: are ships allowed to use small parts of builtin paint? I'm considering a "headhunter" ship that has parts of faction ships attached to the front as trophies

[mortal cave]

Sure

[small breach]

trueeee

[lament skiff]

whoa that’s pretty similar to one of my ideas

i can see you’re doing it better

[inner basalt]

Uhh。。。sorry?

[lament skiff]

it was a compliment

[inner basalt]

Don't know how to answer it lmao

[lament skiff]

I can shrimply steal your techniques

[inner basalt]

That's nice

Do u need ship file?Though I havn't done

[lament skiff]

If you wanna share that’d be cool but I can figure it out just by the screenshot

[lament skiff]

That’s different from that little teaser you posted earlier

Is it a different ship or did you change it up

[night plover]

Turn it 45° in your mind

[lament skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-imagine-anything-imagine-smart-big-brain-huge-brain-gif-5334238097904652592

[lament skiff]

huh

[elfin venture]

Does this ship's front count as a "large concave/recessed front" as outlined in the guidelines? Do I need to add structure between the spikes?

[desert trail]

dont think so

[elfin venture]

alright good

[lament skiff]

can you not add any structure

[elfin venture]

no i can i'd just rather not for aesthetic reasons

[cyan yew]

I would still add structure so no debris gets stuck in the gap where the chainguns shoot out from.

[elfin venture]

that's pretty good most of the time
besides, debris stuck in the way of three chainguns usually doesn't stay there for long

[lament skiff]

Just noticed the last post doesnt qualify

[elfin venture]

Wait how

[lament skiff]

It’s a civilian ship

[elfin venture]

There's nothing in the infodoc that actually says you need to make combat ships

[elfin venture]

Oh, i didn't notice the word "combat" in there

nevermind yea

@bleak garnet your submission isn't valid because it doesn't have reasonable combat capabilities, you might wanna do something about that

[mortal cave]

Actually Walt just gave a go ahead

That being said, I think the next design competition will be Trade/Transport exclusive. These ships can probably be put into the game pretty easily once there's sufficient volume, as he mentioned.

[lament skiff]

i was gonna say

feels kinda weird to have civ ships combat ships in the same contest

[mortal cave]

Okay?

[lament skiff]

wha?

[mortal cave]

Like. Are you proposing it be combat ships only? Do you think there's sufficient reason to do so?

[lament skiff]

i mean it doesn’t rly matter for the ship drive part but honestly I think ppl are disincentivized if they want to win the votes

but that’s also based off the assumption trade ships are scaled to like

builtin sizes

a 3m trade ship seems… probably not like a thing that would exist

[mortal cave]

People regularly make 3mil cargo vessels, and independents are emulative of cosmoteers/players.

If there is a bias against them votewise, then they can choose to ignore that if they want.

[lament skiff]

I guess

just thinking balancewise a 3m cargo ship is the world’s biggest pinata (and would they even have security since they’re independent?)

[mortal cave]

Thats a good point, I'll add an addendum

[lament skiff]

I got to watch that in realtime

epic

[cyan yew]

I've made cargo vessels that had far higher prices than 3 million and I have a faction who has civilian ships that can reach well into the titan range, vastly surpassing any built-in ship in size.

[proud cypress]

well I mean, at least my cargo ships are absurdly fast to outrun any attackers

career cargo ships are less like that (tho there are exceptions)

[lament skiff]

Isnt it kinda hard to outrun in meltdown

[proud cypress]

not if you design for speed yourself

[lament skiff]

Lightweight ships cant hit crazy speeds anymore

[proud cypress]

the vast majority of career ships go 50-80, with a few exceptions hitting upwards of 95

but if you deliberately design for it you can very easily hit 90 and 100 if you try

at any size, mostly

[lament skiff]

Imma be honest i dont really design ships that go under 100

[weak moth]

what do yall think of my 3mill ship

[late zenith]

orion't

[ember flare]

shaved orion

[vernal lance]

civilians are allowed now huh

time to make a splitter that turns into multiple storage pods that run away

[bleak garnet]

Noted

[lament skiff]

Should’ve scrolled down a bit more lol

[toxic ocean]

This is gonna be such a stacked contest, darn. I'll need to come up with something ridiculously creative to win, and fast (My university don't have new year holidays, only 3 days or so)

[inner basalt]

Uh almost same

[lament skiff]

@bleak garnet the message directly after the one you responded to was saris saying the rules were changed so your ship is allowed now

[bleak garnet]

What

Whu-

Ohhhhh

Shit

Why I erased it

Welp, can I change the design for a bit?

[night plover]

You can always delete and add submissions until the deadline according to the rules.

[bleak garnet]

Yayy

[late zenith]

you don't have to compete necessarily, you only need to pass the architect check unless you want master of design (again)

[night plover]

Would it make sense to link this in #events ?

[lament skiff]

Previous ones were so dont see why not

[inner basalt]

Not as perfect as I thought sigh

[lament skiff]

Is that finished product?

[inner basalt]

Almost

Still need to do some changes

[lament skiff]

ic

i think the middle could probably be improved

[inner basalt]

Yep

I agree

[lament skiff]

Other than that it’s pretty sick

[inner basalt]

thanks

[toxic ocean]

Ooo it's between 1 and 3 million 👀

Why did I read it as 2 million.

[dusty orchid]

and how am I supose to compare to this when this is counted as "not as perfect" man

[weak moth]

u could compare via a >, a <, bitwise, really u have some good options

[lament skiff]

It was 2m at the start lol

[versed locust]

resubmitted because of a painting error I noticed >_>

[late zenith]

Early Game Ender done, now time for Mid Game Menace and Late Game Legend ships

[toxic ocean]

Wow I gaslit myself 0_0

[inner basalt]

So when I checked the rules again, I found that the price cap had changed to 3m

Is it that the price cap has always been 3m, but I just misread it?

[bleak garnet]

As I far I know, it was 100,000 to 2M based on my memory

[dusty orchid]

I think

[tired vapor]

yeah it was changed for this one

[inner basalt]

Anyyyyy way that's really nice.I can just remove some parts,and submisson my Throne

[bleak garnet]

:fancy_chair:

[desert trail]

[toxic ocean]

Maan, 3 million, I can do a lot in this price.

No I will not be making another Crapazon, I'm eternally tired of diagonal ion ships even though I still love them.

I think of making one of those many output ion vessels.

[tired vapor]

7.55 fps \😋

the chaingun section on that back really only needs 1 heat battery but it looks ugly that way

[toxic ocean]

Average Air :D

[hazy edge]

double mpregnancy something

[small breach]

air prefiring those submissions lol

[tired vapor]

?? i'll fill it out later

don't want to keep deleting and reposting

[dusty orchid]

I was making my ship and I just realized that I was just making another 1 reactor 2dcl but with 6 shealds and disruptors (and ammo factores)

[dusty orchid]

what yal thing which one is better?

[tired vapor]

bottom

[dusty orchid]

So orange red gray and black got it

Gona do it later

[tired vapor]

could be interesting i think but i don't really want to build it

[lament skiff]

why not I think it’s a cool design

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452188723260424336/1452190749092347924/Gloaming.ship.png?ex=69541e46&is=6952ccc6&hm=f3578d7fe67d8edabf12d341bc3e2ba95cdb3bf589ad3fd7fefc8766c71f7e5d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452188723260424336/1452189863972438016/Void_Invader.ship.png?ex=69541d73&is=6952cbf3&hm=5761e3fcaac86742fcc3320ffd5dbbaeb3993b6c1542c01b5ebe4c51789931a7&

[tired vapor]

i like the bottom one

[lament skiff]

Why not the top one

[tired vapor]

ugly :(

[lament skiff]

oh :,(

[lament skiff]

Disregarding the paint (it old) what about the shape and actual ship design

[tired vapor]

the shape is displeasing

[lament skiff]

o

[versed locust]

I prefer the look of the top one, actually :]

[lament skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

If you could articulate why that’d be helpful

I think each have their own merits personally

[versed locust]

firstly, the colorings more up my alley, but that's only because I don't like the neon and black look on the second one
And while the overall shape of it is a bit boxy, I like the two big corner armor parts with the central mass sloping to a point like that... the second one basically has the opposite notes: nice shape overall, but a really undefined and hollow oval center-- it does seem practical though!
I also think each have their own merits 🙂‍↕️

[lament skiff]

Thanks goat

[versed locust]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-grab-hand-meme-gif-9151059333928663509

[elfin venture]

Since we're apparently dissecting the aesthetics of these two ships, i'll say that i like both of em but i think i like the bottom one more
Top one has the better shape in my eyes, but i dislike the way its armour above the side wings is painted
Bottom one's purple and black is cool, but its sides feel weirdly small and as a whole it seems a bit too dark

[lament skiff]

damn

exactly my own thoughts

although it being really dark WAS intentional since it was supposed to blend in with the void

[weak moth]

i have posted a ship and will be noticing at least 10 different minute paint details i would like to change within at most 10 minutes

[mortal cave]

This is a classic experience

I totally recommend taking glamor shots because the second you go to post them you instantly spot flaws in the paint job

[past bramble]

is using stuff AI cant use for its visuals ok? example boost thrusters

[mortal cave]

If you don't spam it sure

[dusty orchid]

done

[lament skiff]

@mortal cave on a splitter does each part need a hyperdrive beacon

drive*

[mortal cave]

Nah

[lament skiff]

[late zenith]

@mortal cave on a splitter does each splitting part need the minimum 10 m/s backwards requirement or just the overall ship

[mortal cave]

Each one does, I'd say

[desert trail]

Actually I'm probably fine

[late zenith]

for reference this is what I'm working with, I'm modifying a sotd winner to be legal for this contest

[tired vapor]

how's it split

[tired vapor]

not really a splitter imo

more of an automatic armor detach

[elfin venture]

wdym its not really a splitter its built to split into a railkite and 2 DC ships

[tired vapor]

how

the dc both die to split

[versed locust]

i'd say it counts as a splitter since each part has control rooms and reasonable mobility

[elfin venture]

no? how?

they're completely self sufficient

[tired vapor]

thrust block loss doesn't cripple?

[elfin venture]

they don't lose any thrusters?

[tired vapor]

how does it split then

[elfin venture]

gets hit down the barrel

[lament skiff]

structure between the reactors break = split

not the most reliable but it can work

as long as the ship functions well before splitting

[mortal cave]

Why not move the connection to the very front of the ship?

[late zenith]

damn I didn't think of that, the og intent was to have it fight as a cohesive ship and then split when it takes too much dmg but in practice it wins as a cohesive vessel against lesser ships and as a splitter against equal or better ships so I'll move the connection forward and if the ship takes too much dmg it'll still split. Does the empty storage need to be on all splitting parts or the one with the highest survival rate (the rail module)

[mortal cave]

Just the last one'll work

[desert trail]

I assume recoil doesn't count for reverse thrust

Ether way I found a work around

[mortal cave]

It counts in the same way that batteries are edible

[late zenith]

as it turns out the 2 front splitter parts can also split (courtesy of Praefectus chain gun barrage) (the one on the right can't really move and will probably overheat)

[night plover]

I think that doesn't count as splitting anymore ^^ just as redundancy.

[late zenith]

probably, this 2 dc splitter parts were made redundant to make the ai take longer

[tired vapor]

@weak moth can you not edit your message like me

i can tech you if you don't know how

looks prettier that way imo and less posts

[weak moth]

ye how attach new files

[tired vapor]

post it in your embedder of choice (i use discord, like rigth here)

then you get its link (i right click the image and copy link)

and then yku just edit your og message and put the link in somewhere (i put it after ship: or glamour:)

[weak moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1427438543474790503/1455829609701441617/biggler.ship.png?ex=6956267a&is=6954d4fa&hm=4ee6be967d434f3a00d5ddbadb274760704657550f4462ee485f1d04e0c859ad&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

eeyyy it worked

thx

[night plover]

I wonder if there should be a follow up ship drive specifically for smaller ships.