design contest chat

[small breach]

ehhhhh 1-2 is too high

my paint was done in like 30 mins

[toxic ocean]

Yes because you're like one of those Chiniese small goods factories.

[desert trail]

it depends on style and modivation, i probibly could have done it in an hour, but i took 2 or 3 days becase i was meh

[median patio]

lights are allowed right?

[desert trail]

yep

[median patio]

aight

[median patio]

rockolith

[desert trail]

nice

[median patio]

ill continue later

[small breach]

damn i thought you were better than this
i thought you were going to compare me to a soviet tank factory

[elfin venture]

activate windows

[median patio]

aight im done

[elfin venture]

how dare you not include Guardian in the name of the ship

everyone else did

but not you

[median patio]

cause

idk

time to forget about the game till the next contest

[lament skiff]

renaming it to spectre guardian

[vernal lance]

hi @slow axle has this hull changing gone too far

[slow axle]

@median patio Please include a valid ship file in your submission

[slow axle]

Whaw that look amazing!
I can hardly count tiles neither can I notice lights or black plain if you used any in this screenshot. Mind sending me the file through DMs?
For now I'd say hull changing hasn't gone too far, though you can stop there 🤭

The changes helps the paint and the paint help the changes to be as unnoticeable as possible, and that's the nichecase in which I allowed hull changes to be!
~but again I might be biased because I cannot see the changes properly

Sorry for the late anwer

[toxic ocean]

Soviet tank factory too much quality

[vernal lance]

if you're interested you can look at it in detail with the ship.png

hi meekoz

[grizzled sequoia]

U know what it's similiar to my ship

[vernal lance]

yes

[grizzled sequoia]

Hi corpo

[vernal lance]

it's exactly what ive been using

[grizzled sequoia]

The combat ship one not the station

[vernal lance]

...what combat ship

[vernal lance]

i have never seen that in my life

[grizzled sequoia]

Coz I doesn't want to submit it yet,

[slow axle]

Looks perfect to me! It's all good you're good to go
I'll just ask you to put back the flak where it used to be. You moved it one tile up

[desert trail]

all ships so far: Valor, Wolf, Tower, Pequod, Rodrigonian, Repaint, Repaint 1, Repaint 2024, Spectre, Fog, bad
thats 9 out of i think 12 or 13 at this point.

[slow axle]

We got a submission ratio of one per day so far

[desert trail]

nice

[spring haven]

I'm also working on one, gonna try and get it finished in the next few days.

[desert trail]

nice

[late zenith]

I took the opportunity to mess with the fog style a bit and now it looks like more waves and less visual mess

[strange mango]

i may finish my submission today, if not it will for sure be done by tomorrow

[small breach]

i can't believe

i can't believe we got guardian bad apple before cosmoteer full release

[slow axle]

@strange mango Your submission is amazing!
Care to send me a zip file containing all frames?

How many are there? Fifty?

[strange mango]

its 100 frames total

[wispy vigil]

Does that mean there's 100 submissions

[slow axle]

I just remembered you are protective about your art. Feel free to keep only the one frame you gave me. You are not required to send me the whole folder

I just thought it would've been fun to include all frames in the save file that comes with votings

In spite of being unable to show a GIF inside a cosmoteer save file. That or giving instructions on the user on how to run the animation like you did. But it's completely fine to just show one frame and be like "hey go see the full GIF on the voting forms"

[strange mango]

tbh having all 100 of them is pretty laggy for older pcs so its probably for the best that way

my pc isnt that old, and i drop frames when i have them all in game

but heres a screenshot of them all in my library

[slow axle]

Oh this is such a good glamor shot

[desert trail]

its verry cool

[median patio]

Awesome

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

[toxic ocean]

Meekoz blueprinting in progress

™️

[novel coyote]

What
How is Abyssal Maelstrom not winning

[strange mango]

im not sure, i was sure it would get higher too, but not a lot of people voted in general, only 5 did, thats also why there are so many ties

[lament skiff]

I didnt even know voting opened lol

[strange mango]

it got a bit buried in other anouncements

[slow axle]

How sweet! Votings!

What is a Naamloos @strange mango?

[strange mango]

dutch for "nameless", its defaut text i havent changed

[slow axle]

Ah annonymous my bad

I am sorry to have participated in the burial of your voting forms

[strange mango]

its just a side effect of having multiple events sharing an anouncements channel, and at least theres no real reward at stake this time, so no real harm was done

[toxic ocean]

Meekoz won enough times already :>

Also it's in essence 8 copy-pasted dragons. Very cool dragons but still.

[slow axle]

@strange mango How many participans?

In other words: How many peoples voted

[strange mango]

6 people voted on the tie breaker

[elfin venture]

7 now

i didn't realise it uhh existed

[strange mango]

i thought i closed the tie breaker, not sure how you managed to vote but that did work out both ties so i guess that solved it

[slow axle]

Thank you rednax

[elfin venture]

well apparently you uh
didn't

[strange mango]

well i did, but i guess it didnt save the change, google forms updated mid contest and it changed how some things work, so im having to relearn it so that may explain it

[slow axle]

He game himself the win
Honestly that's fair

[elfin venture]

i voted for the ship i liked most (and self voting was allowed in the first vote)
Black Lotus is bloody excellent, what i dislike about it is mostly the lack of station-ness
the paint feels like its fighting the roof textures of the storage, and theres nothing else that makes it look like a station

[slow axle]

I don't blame you

[elfin venture]

i won't deny that part of it was that i wanted to win, though
i was surprised seing MHMLW as a candidate for first place to begin with, lol

[open stag]

@slow axle did I edit the armor too much or it it fine? (Original is left)

[slow axle]

Uhhh I'd say it's too much. Especially the front.

Consider that I do not see any paint for who these changes are required, and therefore I think you have a thousand way to avoid them

@worldly surge Please include a ship file of the original ship alongside yours

[elfin venture]

i think it's all good for everything but the front
if the front was unchanged it'd probably be fine

[vernal lance]

hi @slow axle are we allowed to cheapen the ship (e.g, turning the armor into corridor to fit it inside the 300k limit)

[slow axle]

Asides from the Guardian, you can only repaint Monolith ships that are less than 300k. So to anwer your question, no you can't.
However, you can pick a ship below 300k, rework and edit it with lights and structures for instance, get it above 300k and submit it just fine!

I only care about the price of the Original Monolith ship

------- ♡ -------
The idea behind that is to encourage painting the Guardian rather than any other massive ships that may be larger or slightly smaller. But I am open to suggestions to increase the pool if you think it's too low

[vernal lance]

d'aw i cant use intercessor

[toxic ocean]

I might actually return to my old roots adn do steampunk repaint of guardian.

My cyberpunky/superconductor/electrical grid thingy not too well going

.,

[small breach]

well in any case you have 18 days

[flint abyss]

go for it XD

[flint abyss]

aaah, should i greenolith ?

[small breach]

yes

[desert trail]

dew it

[flint abyss]

frick

gotta do it now :'(

[strange mango]

im not part of the Grand Prix but i think i speak for all here when i say this, no need to be sorry, we understand family takes priority over a cosmoteer event, i hope they get better soon

[toxic ocean]

It's greenandpurpolith

It's like the typical cartoon villain scheme.

(Colour scheme, not an evil scheme :>)

[slow axle]

@open stag I don't really like the extra armor on the prongs next to the missile array, but I guess that's a nitpick

[flint abyss]

i don't have purpolith though

[open stag]

As in the changes in the armor or the way it's painted?

[slow axle]

How dare you to think I would ever deny a submission because the paint looks atrocious

Though, looking back, it is a clear oversight from me as I should've noticed the change on the picture you sent above. So you're good to go with this current submission

[elfin venture]

fuc i forgot that xsnow used howitzer already for one of the example submissions

[vernal lance]

you made howitzer appear chonky

[elfin venture]

thanks... ?

tbh thats the result of the paint not having as many vertical lines as the original + the lights + the thruster tails

[slow axle]

Duplicates are allowed as long it's not the same author

[elfin venture]

oh i didn't think they wouldn't be allowed im just mildly irritated by it

[slow axle]

...Why, may I ask?

[elfin venture]

no real reason tbh

just didn't want to do the same small submission as somebody else - though it is an example not an actual submission which helps

but its very minor so potato potato

[desert trail]

alrighty so for Guardians we have:
Valor, Wolf, Tower, Pequod, Rodrigonian, Repaint, Repaint1, Repaint 2024, Spectre, Fog, Bad, Custos and Royal

theres like 13 of them, thats a lot

[hazy edge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/314103695568666625/1059085469708734515/1318588176712990720

[toxic ocean]

What happenes to the other 2022 repaints😭

[desert trail]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic ocean]

I like Meekoz guardian by the way, amidst those pomposic and bombastic art ships it's nice to see a regular vessel for a change, the heraldic elements are cool.

[flint abyss]

idk if i'll be able to give greenolith in time ahah

[desert trail]

well you do have about 14 days

-# same goes for you nick

also is it just me or does the area around the bridge for meekozes ship look like a lion?

[slow axle]

We are only a little over half the contest afterall

https://tenor.com/view/hell-taker-van-ripper-sweating-anxious-nervous-gif-17279654

[lament skiff]

It’s the intent

meekoz done a similar paint before

[desert trail]

makes sence

[flint abyss]

i lied, i painted the ship

greenolith dropped

not my best paint, but it's decent

[desert trail]

green

[vernal lance]

meekoz' art project style doesn't seem to mesh that well with a more traditional style

though what do I know

I am but one man

[grizzled sequoia]

Actually it wasn't intended to look like that, more like a shield or badge

[grizzled sequoia]

Yeah, at least it's fit for sentry

[elfin venture]

add Prototype to that list, and in addition to Green that's like 15 guardians or something

[desert trail]

nice

Valor, Wolf, Tower, Pequod, Rodrigonian, Repaint, Repaint1, Repaint 2024, Spectre, Fog, Bad, Custos, Royal, Green, Prototype and RoSDF

[vernal lance]

I should finish codename shitty meekoz fast

[desert trail]

that would remove one of the repaints i think, still leaveing 2 that i do think could have slightly better names, but meh

should be cool

[lament skiff]

@elfin venture i lowkey feel bad it’s just a guardian repaint cause that’s the best thing you ever painted imo 🔥

Literally went “guh” out loud

[toxic ocean]

Okay yeah that Guardian repaint goes hard rednax

The bluerple gradient has always been one of my favs.

And the red accent lights are SOOO well done.

Time to get painting my venetian Guardian I guess, even though I'll be extra busy this week.

[elfin venture]

lol i've been considering trying to find a way to apply that to an original ship but it's extremely light centric which makes it hard

[vernal lance]

yay i did it

i finished codename shitty meekoz

[hazy edge]

poopeekoz

[toxic ocean]

Sheetkoz

[hazy edge]

shitpeepookoz

[mortal cave]

Only the deepest and most engaging conversations here on the cosmoteer server 🙄

[desert trail]

[hazy edge]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[vernal lance]

saris what happened with architect voting

did we delay it by 4 decades

[flint abyss]

omg

[slow axle]

#1059085469708734515 message
@vernal lance I see you added six extra blocks to the missile array. I simply don't see how these changes help the paint, unlike the curves for the dragons, it's an area of low light, and the ship does not lose any quality without it.
Unlike Itchy, these changes werent there when you asked me about the hull, so there's no excuses to keep it.

Though I don't think you need to reupload your submission, as I see it already recived quite a lot of reactions. You can just send me an updated ship file and glamor shot and I'll take account for it

If you have a strong argument in favor of keeping these six blocks I am ready to listen and change my mind

And I wish to stress that I do not like rejecting a submission either

[flint abyss]

i think it's to have a more eye pleasing shape. but it has indeed nothing to do with the paint itself

[lament skiff]

Im confused i thought armor shaping is fine

[flint abyss]

yeah, but i guess you have to mention it beforehand XD

[slow axle]

It's explicitly stated in the rules that you are not allowed to change the outer outlines of a ship. I said I wouldn't be very strict but everyone has been dancing on the border thus far

[flint abyss]

well, to me i always do shape first, then never compromise on it again while painting. so to me it was the obvious to not change the shape XD

i don't adapt the ship to the paint, i adapt the paint to the ship

also, it's a painting contest :I to me everything is in the name

[slow axle]

I allow armor shaping when it

• helps the paint in some way & cannot be done otherwise (I.E. gives space to continue a pattern like on the Dragons for exemple)
• is a very small change
• no other changes on the rest of the ship
• I have a much easier time to accept removed armor than added ones

I think Corpo's submission is where I should draw the line specifically. (Though Itchy's should've been I had an oversight when they asked me to validate their submission)

It doesn't even cross half the guidelines I set above

[lament skiff]

Well I won’t argue with the rules however i will say that if you plan to do this again I would recommend changing that rule

Armor shaping and paint go hand in hand so restricting it really restricts paint

[slow axle]

I will clarify it if I happen to make another contest

[flint abyss]

that's called a challenge

[slow axle]

Just look at Meekoz submission and please realise how much I've been lax

And look at Corpo's submisson again to see that the 6 added blocks are blank and adds nothing to the paint. Hence why I ask against them

[flint abyss]

yes, i don't understand why at the back (corners) of the sentinel he changed the armor

[slow axle]

Who? What? Where?

[flint abyss]

(well, all corners in fact)

[lament skiff]

using someone else’s internals is already the challenge in my eyes

[flint abyss]

sorry, the sentry

[lament skiff]

I don’t see why armor should be restricted too

[flint abyss]

#1059085469708734515 message (meekoz's sentry)

#1059085469708734515 message this is a good exemple that you don't need to change the shape

[flint abyss]

yeah, it was

[slow axle]

You are completely free to modify the internals as implied in the rules

Though I don't see a point

[flint abyss]

XD

i mean it's a contest, it has its rules, and participation isn't mandatory. doesn't even have a prize (that i'm aware of)

[slow axle]

I also wish to stress that I am completely fine with 20 or so armor edits Corpo's wonderful dragons had to make, but I am nothing but against the hull changes 6 unpainted blocks provides

[slow axle]

I do belives it was needed for the 3rd glop of his pattern

"glop" for a lack of a better term (I made it up)

[vernal lance]

hi i did what youve asked (i copied the screenshot)
i also murdered the crew and hyperdrives, if that's alright

[elfin venture]

ngl i wasn't sure exactly how much shaping was allowed but it turns out i didn't need to do much shaping at all
finally a time where my habit of basing paint off of shape, instead of vice versa, comes in handy
say, were you planning on participating? or not

[lament skiff]

uhhh

[elfin venture]

its understandable if you weren't, or won't be able to
I probably wouldn't have if not for random injection of inspiration

[lament skiff]

if i do get free time to paint I’ll probably spend it on church ships tbh

[elfin venture]

also fair

tbh it is a bit boring paintoing somebody elses' ship
and while i get the choice of Guardian from the poll, as a historically important ship and a good canvas, it is a bit of a boring design

[vernal lance]

that's why you should port classic ships into modern

you get to train yourself into painting other people's ships

[slow axle]

Yes yes thank you

[toxic ocean]

TLDR for everybody ''how dare you add 6 extra blocks literally unacceptable rejected''

[open stag]

I can still change it, its no big deal

[desert trail]

i did technicly do that lol, but in a way that doesint change the shape in the slightest basicly

[slow axle]

Again my issue was that these blocks were blank

[desert trail]

which ones were they

[slow axle]

I also need to draw the line somewhere, can't keep pushing it back further

[slow axle]

I feel like it's very annoying for me to ask so I avoids as much as possible. Just like Corpo you does not need to reupload your submission, as it also recived some reactions and God knows you have less on a reupload. You can just send me an updated ship file and glamor shot and I'll take account for it

[vernal lance]

hi, which blocks specifically?

[slow axle]

Paint them or revert changes and I'll let you go
The changes arent drastic, I claimed 6 blocks but it's closer to being 4 edited blocks. However since the area is completely black I don't see what are their purpose if not to annoy me or to dance with the rules

[toxic ocean]

Hmm..... venetto

[small breach]

good thing you started, only 4 days left

[hazy edge]

funky!

[toxic ocean]

Indeed.,

[slow axle]

Already?! I should set a reminder for when this end

[toxic ocean]

Shocked that I started building this early, eh?

Usually I do it early in the morning of the date 😏

[desert trail]

lol, good luck nick, hopefuly you finish before the end

[toxic ocean]

I hope too, it's turning out really well.

[desert trail]

yeps

[vernal lance]

imagine if the official contest results have been done since day one of voting and saris is just waiting for the new years

[elfin venture]

nice structure eye with lights on the RoSDF Guardian, Toothless

[spring haven]

It's actually supposed to be a gear

[elfin venture]

oh i see

but looking at it more clearly it resembles a flower more than a gear

because its symmetrical, methinks

[spring haven]

Forgot a glamor shot, I'll make one tomorrow

[desert trail]

it looks nice

-# also

Valor, Wolf, Tower, Pequod, Rodrigonian, Repaint, Repaint1, Repaint 2024, Spectre, Fog, Bad, Custos, Royal, Green, Prototype and RoSDF

[flint abyss]

hello, how do you want your guardian today ? Royal, Green, or Repaint 2024 ?

[desert trail]

mmm i think iu' go with a bad a prototype and a repaint

[hazy edge]

royal? like, royal obelisk? sure, go on

[vernal lance]

repaint1 is dead

it has been replaced by guardians of the void

[elfin venture]

i think RoSDF, Pequod, and Rodrogonian win in terms of name

[toxic ocean]

Today you shall add Stratopoline to the list.

It's halfway done

[vernal lance]

2 days is approaching quickly

[toxic ocean]

2 hours will do me corpo

[desert trail]

okedokes to all the pings lol

Valor, Wolf, Tower, Pequod, Rodrigonian, Repaint, Repaint 2024, Spectre, Fog, Bad, Custos, Royal, Green, Prototype, Of The Void, RoSDF and Stratopoline

[simple valve]

Yeah two hours later will do you

[toxic ocean]

Mhm

[toxic ocean]

Okayeee I wonder how far above the threshold this hull is.

The 1 major thing is that I only added the lil' prongs in the back.

These pokey bits

[elfin venture]

Xsnow might not like the structure

[toxic ocean]

S T RU C T U R

But it's the most important part...

It's supposed to be a giant purple lance, and on the head and sides it's just gothic decorations.

[slow axle]

I am actually very fine with the structure. What I am less happy with is how you changed 1x1 angles to 1x2 angles and the random appended coridoors in the rear

[toxic ocean]

Exactly what I thought you'd say.

[slow axle]

Reminder that you can get away with most armor trick with a cleaver usage of structures, light and black decal layer

[toxic ocean]

So how non-fine are they?

Because they play a crucial role in the paint.

[slow axle]

The paint itself is a huge weight in the balance, I wouldn't have accepted Meekoz submission if it wasn't for his very stylish style. I wouldn't have accepted Corpo submission's curves and front edits if it wasn't for them being required to draw the dragons properly

[slow axle]

Wish I could judge by like, seeing the paint

[toxic ocean]

Aight, you'll see when I finish it.

[slow axle]

If it's just an extension of this I don't see how is it crutial and I may very likely deny the submission

[toxic ocean]

Extension of what?

No it's not one gigantic armour plate

[slow axle]

Whatever this paint style is

[toxic ocean]

So it's literally just you barr or allow the same violation depending on how much you like the paint.

[slow axle]

On the previous image that you posted I litterally don't see how changing wedges angles would have any impact on the paint or the patterns

[toxic ocean]

'Very fair judgement'

Look, I couldn't have done this thing if it wasn't for the 1x2

Yuck

[elfin venture]

you can use a corridor and the shadow layer there to do that, also, though either way its a small change

[toxic ocean]

I'd say corridor is an even worse violation than a wedge 🤷‍♂️

[elfin venture]

or a 1x1 tile of armour

doesnt really matter
"anything more than a 1x1 triangle" works in that spot basically

[toxic ocean]

It's the same amount of raw physical substance added to a ship, but I don't know the exact specifications for what gains more lenience.,

[slow axle]

You should aim to change less tiles rather than more just because it's simplier

you arent even technically allowed to change the hull in the rules

[toxic ocean]

Hmmmmm

[slow axle]

another possibility is to just lower the entire pattern down one tile, I don't think it affects the beauty in any ways

[toxic ocean]

Fair enough, it's just that because so many others did I thought it weas just fine.

[slow axle]

I said I wouldn't be strict or severe, and that all I ask is not to abuse of it. And clearly I'm starting to feel like peoples abuse of it >:(

[toxic ocean]

Well, I'm withdrawing most of the wing prongs.

[elfin venture]

honestly i tried to change the shape as little as possible just to avoid this sort of situation

[toxic ocean]

I love how they look and they fit in with my faction perfectly, but I guess they're not that crucial.

.,,.

[slow axle]

all past submissions were 4 tiles at most, Meekoz was the one who changed the most his hull and lucky him he touched not the front and put strong patterns where he did changed the hull.
For the love of God don't change all the angles or other important feature (monolith hulls are characterized for using 1x1 angles only, mind you) for a tiny pattern (or downright leave it unpainted) and call me a bad host for denying it

[toxic ocean]

There we go @slow axle I reverted absolutely everything back to how it was, except for highlit parts, and found clever ways to get around it withuot breaking paint.

I hope you're happy

[vernal lance]

that last comment feels laced with sarcasm

[toxic ocean]

First I was intending for it to be sarcasm but nah, it's genuine.

[vernal lance]

though I'm bad at reading speech, let alone text

[toxic ocean]

Most of them were pretty useelss on second thought.

[desert trail]

it looks prity good sofar

[slow axle]

Again can't tell without paint, but if those are the only changes and you are right about them being "highlit parts" then it all sounds good to me ^-^ :thumbline:

[toxic ocean]

Well good new, it's 95% done so soon you'll see it.

I put more effort in it than I needed to be honest.

[toxic ocean]

And it's complete!!

[small breach]

#1059085469708734515 message i love the effect with the emp and dc where it looks like it's on fire

if you did it for the otherside too it would've been soooo good

it's already peak

[vernal lance]

ornaments, the superior spacefiller

[desert trail]

very fancy

[toxic ocean]

That was the intent, glad you liked it! :D

[toxic ocean]

Mm yes obsidian + fire

[slow axle]

Absolutely love it!

[small breach]

i don't think meekoz changed the hull the most, they just used dark layers to make it look like it

almost all of their hull changes i also did, except i did a good chunk of moving in the core (i moved hyperdrives and crew quarters, plus reworked armor to fit the paint better in lots of other places)

however we both pale in comparison to corpo

who knew fitting in two big dragons changes hull quite a bit

[flint abyss]

people should build bricks XD

[desert trail]

[spring haven]

If I've counted correctly, we have 18 Guardian submissions. (Counting the original)

[flint abyss]

and i have counted 0 tooth

[toxic ocean]

Nice, that's a lot of guardians to guard the holy land™️ with.

[tired vapor]

oopsie i forgot :(

[slow axle]

I was wondering where this submission went by the way

[tired vapor]

i updated it a bit more as well i think :(

[slow axle]

Next time I'll bear in mind to create the form as the contest is going and submissions are dropping so I don't have to deal with 25 whole submissions at once '•~•

Wish good luck to everyone!

[elfin venture]

@slow axle is voting for yourself allowed?

[slow axle]

Of course! If you believes that your own submission is among the best or that you are genuinely prideful of it there's nothing wrong in self-voting

[elfin venture]

my respect for Bad Guardian being a nearly perfect recreation of the start of bad apple in cosmoteer fighting against the fact that technically this is meant to be a paint design contest not an animation contest

[slow axle]

There would be no ways I can check against it anyways expected a trust system. Nothing reliable.

[elfin venture]

going above and beyond in the wrong direction, if you will

bloody hell there's too many good submissions this time round

[slow axle]

I authorized it in our DMs mainly because I knew Blake would've made actual dedicated quality art rather than a poor 8 frames animation designed to catch peoples attention.
I'll admit though it's a bit fussy and scuzzy and clearly I absolutely never even considered the possibility of such submission

[elfin venture]

oh i didn't really care about whether it's an acceptable submission or not i was just tossing up

anyways i've submitted now so it's water under the bridge

[strange mango]

thats how i do it too, that way i can post the votes basically right after the submissions close

[strange mango]

an animation contest, now theres an idea

[vernal lance]

the painters decided to pop off on the contest with only bragging rights

[toxic ocean]

Trueee...

It was mostly just a blank canvas to experiment a style upon though, at least for me.

[desert trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003336667362496583/1288546047035048038/pixil-gif-drawing1.gif

i mean you defintll did a good job

[toxic ocean]

I wanted to finish this and now that I realized how I can center the camera every time, I think I'll do it.

[desert trail]

nice, if you need help makeing a gif let me know

[toxic ocean]

Nah I'd much rather assemble it myself.

[toxic ocean]

Also I'll post these, two unfinished Monolith remakes for the contest, I just kinda gave upon them in exchange for working more on the main submission.

I liked how quickdraw was shaping up, ''electricity draw.''

[grizzled sequoia]

What app you use to assemble each frame?

[toxic ocean]

The app is called scrolling rapidly through the images library with screen recorder on XD

I call it stop motion for a reason.

[grizzled sequoia]

[desert trail]

alternitively you can also put all the ship pngs into a gif maker,

[simple valve]

I forgor to vote

fixing that

[slow axle]

Both 2nd and 3rd place are on a tie

[simple valve]

Glad I could help

[toxic ocean]

I am not vote either

Okie doke done.

[strange mango]

almost

[slow axle]

I got awaken by my reminder, I'll go fetch the results in a few seconds

2nd place is on a tie, I'll unfortunately have to host a tie breaker

@strange mango Do you usually host tie breakes on podium only or are other places also at risk?

[strange mango]

usualy i reserve tie breakers for podium positions yea

@slow axle you can submit multiple votes

snow?

[slow axle]

I'd rather go fix an issue straight away than taking time to confirm I took notice of it.
Thank you a bunch!

[strange mango]

ah okay

[toxic ocean]

That was the fastest vote of my life

[hazy edge]

tru

[slow axle]

My typing speed is disastrously low for how little I'm trying to convey, I'll grant you that

[toxic ocean]

I wonder if I'll be in the top 3.

[toxic ocean]

That is true xsnow, I've noticed you take years to write small commentss XD

But I don't know, maybe my typing speed is excessively fast and I just don't notice.

keyboard lion noises

[slow axle]

No, I partially have some serious writting complications, but right now it's especially bad as it's getting late and I am more or less exhausted

[mortal cave]

I dislike the premise of Bad Apple winning. It's not a paint job, it's an animation, and is inherently, intrinsically more impressive.

It has a completely unfair advantage and doesn't even employ the guardian's entire surface nor smooth out the rough pixelated edges.

If I create an Imperium ship that has flowing highlights that shift between red and blue and purple, the novelty of the shifting color alone eclipses any of the merit of the other ship or even the color changing ship itself.

[lament skiff]

I would normally agree but this is an unofficial contest with no awards except having fun so I think it’s fine

[elfin venture]

i feel similarly but my reason is mostly just "this is a contest where you paint a ship, and that isn't painting a ship"

[bronze citrus]

it's only for second place right?

[elfin venture]

it is very impressive but not what was asked for

[elfin venture]

yes

[lament skiff]

Correct

[elfin venture]

i wonder who came first

[lament skiff]

You

[elfin venture]

well i'd hope so, but there were a lot of other good submissions too

Stratopoline, Of the Void, and Royal guardians were really good too

also wonder who's gonna win the small mono ship repaint side-contest thingo

[lament skiff]

me

[elfin venture]

ha ha

-# i scrolled through the submission channel like three times to make sure that you hadn't submitted and were joking

[lament skiff]

I did submit but i painted it like a stealth vessel so it’s hard to see

[elfin venture]

tbh i do like the idea of the side-contest as a way to encourage newer players to participate in contests (regardless of if they're new to cosmoteer or new to contests)

[lament skiff]

I think as long as the word ‘contest’ is attached to it, new players will be hesitant to participate

[elfin venture]

there is probably a way to snip off the word "contest"

but hmm

[lament skiff]

I said the same thing about the ship drive

[elfin venture]

tbh another big thing is that these are considered, well, big things
They have their own channel that may not even be visible to newer players

it might be a good idea to try hosting more informal contests in #ships or something

also - and here i'm just spitballing - a really bad example ship could help
comparatively it'll make people more confident with their paint if the example is much worse + might encourage people to try and participate solely against the example ship

one thing that would definitely dissaude anyone from participating in a contest is seeing that the first submission is from meekoz or nick or something

[lament skiff]

I think a better method to get newbies to participate in painting would probably be painting classes

or lessons

whatever u wanna call em

[mortal cave]

Classes don't work, the ideal spread of useful info is in the form of videos that can be watched at any time in any way forever. Classes require students being aware, willing teachers, and an available time frame for both

[lament skiff]

it’s not really about actually imparting knowledge tho, just confidence

I think painting seems deceptively harder than it actually is, so newbies who would otherwise enjoy it are turned off before they even start

[elfin venture]

especially since the decals still need a better way to be sorted that the devs are trying to figure out, right now u kinda just have to develop muscle memory which is fine for experienced players and not fine at all for new ones

as has also been pointed out by people there's quite a few guides that introduce one to painting but less guides for bridging the gap to become a seriously good painter

[lament skiff]

To be fair I don’t think that’s a kind of skill you can get through teaching, I think that’s more a practice only thing

Also should probably take this to general chT

[worldly surge]

Fairly certain I count as a noob painter and I mostly enjoyed this contest as an opportunity to simply participate?

[lament skiff]

that is a good attitude to have :) but many newbies have expressed in the past anxiety competing against experienced painters

[vernal lance]

looking at what happened with maelstrom, my totally accurate, definitely well researched prediction for guardian of the void has led me to think that it does not have a chance at winning first place

[toxic ocean]

I partially agree. As a single frame it looks like nothing, and paint almost definitely involves a single "frame"

[slow axle]

General reminder that you can always modify your vote if you changed your mind

[toxic ocean]

Well I don't need to.

[slow axle]

I am flaggerblasted. In my exhaustion from yasterday I completely failed to read the simple chart and got the tie for 2nd place wrong. I guess this morning doubt wasn't unfounded
You can award me the label of "host of all time" for my pitiful management, in the main time I need to redo the votings for the ships that are actually in tie for 2nd place

The two ships from yasterday are neither in a tie, and one of them isn't even on the podium

My dearest apologies!!

[elfin venture]

ohhh my god lmao
im sorry its ok xsnow and u dont need to feel bad it was an honest mistake
but outside of that, that's hilarious

[toxic ocean]

XD

Happens to best of us.

...So now what concerns the top 3 and the vote results in general?

[slow axle]

I'll have to do two separated rankings because somehow the ship that won yasterday's votings by quite a few votes originally ranked lower as the one that losed it

Fortunately enough this does not affect the podium

[strange mango]

something similar happened to me and my contests at least once too, thats why i no longer do any contest related tasks while under the effect of sleeping medication

[slow axle]

I am sorry for the emotional roller coaster I may have caused to you and Admiral grant, Blake

[strange mango]

its okay, it happens

[toxic ocean]

Aye, I'm on 2nd? That's cool!

I'll gladly take it.

[barren yacht]

lmao

[desert trail]

thats ok, its prity funny

[forest peak]

is design contest voting over already?

[vernal lance]

tie breaker will end tomorrow

[slow axle]

Yes! You had two weeks or 15 days starting from January first to submit your vote,

The 2nd place ended on a tie so at the moment there's a tie breaker that is about to end in 10 hours and 20 minutes. The tie breaker deadline is much shorter than the main vote was mainly because I noticed there's not a single vote deposited after the first 24 hours, so there's no need of dragging on,

Still the tie breaker has less vote than the main vote because peoples did not panicked out of putting off when I sent the proposal of ending the votes early

[desert trail]

honistly top 5 is better then i was expecting

[slow axle]

Congrats on your two crowns rednax! Feel free to brag about winning over the other contestants especially the well regarded painters as that and pride shall be your only award

[toxic ocean]

Daaamn, the fact that the top3 submissions got enough off a tie breaker to sneak in the top 3.

Or was that what happened.

Anyways, I'll take no.2 spot any day of the week ||(even if that day is submission results of October 2023 tournament😔)||, nice contest!

-- Had a ton of fun participating.

[lament skiff]

@elfin venture grats gang

[vernal lance]

i really did fall off

[elfin venture]

yo what the fuck i won twice

[elfin venture]

thank you

[forest peak]

i cannot find the design content results are they not public yet?

[elfin venture]

the ship drive has been in the "architect vote" stage for over six months now

[median patio]

I think around 2 months ago they said they were halfway done

So like 2 more months

[strange mango]

4th, not bad

[slow axle]

Those are shared in #tournament-announcements, For the exact amount of votes each participants received please refer to the image links

I do not have any other data asides from the optional survey I shared for the other hosts ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest peak]

thank you - why did i never look into anouncements ... shame on me

[toxic ocean]

How does Architect vote take longer than the literal US elections.

It's 6 people vs the world hegemon of nearly 335 million.

It's deciding which user ship gets into an indie game vs deciding who will become the strongest man on earth.

[simple valve]

If you had to wait for every us citizen to cast their vote you'd never elect a president

[desert trail]

i wonder which one is the bottle neck this time...

[lament skiff]

one?

[tired vapor]

just like the us elections most do not vote

[simple valve]

Omw to become an architect to not vote

[toxic ocean]

Epic

But have you done anything other than Monolith

[simple valve]

Fringe (but not as much) (it was a joke)

[tribal heath]

"Nah I'll not vote" thing lol

[lament skiff]

can someone pls take executive action on this 🙏

[tribal heath]

I will try.

[toxic ocean]

Then why even call for an architect vote if all the architects don't agree to vote?

Shouldn't it be the kind of absolute democracy where every architect shouls agree.

[tribal heath]

The main reason I believe is that some architects are too busy doing IRL stuff and just forget about architect voting.

[toxic ocean]

I totally understand that however it's been months and I'm pretty sure the overviewing and voting the entries would only take a couple hours.
Of course it's kind of entitled and wrong for to say that, "all are wise in someone else's war" as they say in here... But still.

[simple valve]

I think they have some time but by the time they have it they forget about the voting

And spam pinging and stuff can get annoying

[flint abyss]

the myth of the architect votes

but i think that there should be something done about that. i agree that architects should vote. but absence should be counted as neutral after some time ?

[late zenith]

that sounds reasonable, considering some architects have been recently way more active with adding/updating built-ins than others

[desert trail]

now that i think about it, a contetest were plain01 is baned could endup being cool

[simple valve]

nah, plain01 only would be better

I'd just sacrifice one paint layer for it if it were banned

[strange mango]

noted

i already have a plan for my next contest, which should be next month, but idea are always welcome

[flint abyss]

plain 01 ?

[slow axle]

refer to this

plain 01 or plain 1 is the full cube

[flint abyss]

oh no

[slow axle]

Arguably plain 01 is the most famous decal, even more than fade 02

[strange mango]

plain 01, being a full solid square, is very versatile in just about any build

but when used on its own, you are effectively locked to just pixel art, so both an only plain 01 and a no plain 01 could make for an interesting chalange

[hazy edge]

tbf without plain 01 you can just waste one layer for an identical color and use two plains 06

[strange mango]

there would probably be a rule againt workarounds, like ''no square in the grit can exclusively be 1 colour''

[toxic ocean]

adjusts the 2nd colour by one saturation
does an evil cartoon smirk

[strange mango]

"you cant use 2 or more decals from different layers in a manner that can be mistaken for or look like a plane 01"

finding loopholes rn is actually helpful, as i can make the rules more foolproof for the real deal

[toxic ocean]

Whatever I'll use supplements anyways, ahoy plain 60!!!

[desert trail]

i'd go with plain 64,

curved 09 could also work in certan circumstances

also plain 12-01

[slow axle]

The contest last a month? Not two?
For animation that's a hell of a short deadline

[strange mango]

that is true, i guess i was a bit on auto pilot when writing the deadline, ill extend it

there now its 2 whole months

[vernal lance]

meekoz acquired the power of animation with ophanim pristine

we are all charred and turned into toothpaste

[elfin venture]

i have a simple idea but it certainly won't win against something like Ophanim Pristine and also im not sure i have the free time for it

[strange mango]

Ophanim Pristine isnt going to be allowed to be submitted because it uses a diferent method of animation

[elfin venture]

oh

[vernal lance]

what if i make a snippet of doom in cosmote

[elfin venture]

ich sehe

[vernal lance]

aw lights arent allowed then

how sad

[elfin venture]

oh right shit they won't be that's bad

[vernal lance]

well for animation

[elfin venture]

that throws a wrench into some of my more extravagant considerations

[vernal lance]

we can't have pulsating ships

[median patio]

I have an idea

Cabal esque ship with the underlying highlights shifting

Idk how to explain it

But maybe I'll get it done

[strange mango]

i get what you are saying i think, i think it sounds promising

[desert trail]

hey blake, for the assembeing of the gif, can i use https://www.pixilart.com/draw ? , its what i used to assemble the train nick made

basicly its to order the frames

[strange mango]

no external programs are to be used in the final result, i spesifyed how the animation should be made so everyone works with the same tools

[desert trail]

okedoke

[toxic ocean]

Hmm that's cool.

I wanted to make another light animation anyways.

Waaaait am I only allowed to do paint animation?

BOOOO

[strange mango]

i tryed making the rules as flexible as i could while keeping things fair, but i suppose i can make a small addition that also lets people animate in build mode if enough people want me to so lights become an option

the same idea should work there too

see #tournament-announcements for a poll on it

[toxic ocean]

Yes yes yes yes yes lightimation lightimation lightimation

I wanted to make a super cool AI ship, like a sequel to Content Generator.

[desert trail]

that does sound prity cool, i'm going to look at a ton of gif's of wolves running to see if my brain will deploy an autism hyperfixation moment and finish it in a couple of hours

or sit there doing nothing, which is far more likely....

[strange mango]

okay after testing it, lights being loaded over diferently coloured lights seem to not be saved in the undo hystory

that might be a bug honestly

[desert trail]

real question is, do i fill the interior of it or leave it blank.... probibly will do the formor, but afet the other frames

[median patio]

Undo only goes back 200 steps right?

[strange mango]

100 last time i checked

[desert trail]

2 ish? more prototype frames to go i think

[novel coyote]

If I used a macro to on logitech ghub to spam the undo button at a constant rate would it be considered cheating?

[simple valve]

That should be allowed

[toxic ocean]

Mmmm lights with undo redo... Very interesting.

I don't know if it will even work.

I might just load the different frames on one skeleton vessel, and then spam undo.

[slow axle]

Brother how can you be so fast

Are you using reference images or making that from scratch

[desert trail]

refrance

ironicly i'm not very good at drawing, but painting / traceing on the other hand. it makes it somewhat easyer,

also its still takein like 5-6 hours just to do the bare bones

plus i want to have it howing at the moon, so that means i actual have to do an adition

[slow axle]

I love how you imply that tracing being easier than doing from scratch is unusual

[desert trail]

autism hyperfixation moment lol, if i am sufisintly modivated, i go nuts

it somewhat is, i basicly need the blueprints of the thing to make the design

and with that comes modifications, minor improvemints and genral messing about

[slow axle]

I feel more or less relieved to hear that you were indeed doing tracing

[desert trail]

yeah i'm not that good lol

........i just rememberd that meekoz exists, and has done an animation recintly

[desert trail]

le prototype

[elfin venture]

Well I'm fucked

thats so damn good, better than what i could do, and its a prototype?!

[desert trail]

i mean i did spent like 7 hours drawing lines on a gif to figure out how its suposd to move, and i suspect i'm not even 1/3 or 1/4 th dones... technicly the hard part will be figureing out how to get it to sit down and howl at a moon

i do bet you can make something prity cool too, if theres 2 peopel i know that are good at cosmoteer, its you and nick

[elfin venture]

you might not have enough frames for that

[elfin venture]

well yea i can make a nice cosmoteer ship but i've never done animation

[desert trail]

well its curintly only 7, suposidly it goes up to 100

[elfin venture]

the main (and pretty much only) leverage i have is to make something that's a cool and effective ship by itself and then make it animated too

if build menu animation is possible it'd also be (at least theoretically) doable to have a primitive hinged/transforming ship because you could do animation with both lights and with the ship itself

[elfin venture]

oh
i assumed it was more frames than that jjust because of how good the movement looked

[desert trail]

spamm clicking undo + the gif editer does that lol

[toxic ocean]

Are we allowed to build an entire ship and attach our animation on it?

@strange mango

[toxic ocean]

I thought "functioning ship" just implied corridor box with the tedious extra step of adding CR

Aighty, I'll get work on Content Generator Supreme, then >:]

[strange mango]

the rules say no external programs can be used for the final result, and personally i never found the need for a macro, but, if you find it hard to spam undo manually 100 times while keeping consistent speed, i can understand wanting a macro and am willing make an exception

[strange mango]

yes thats allowed

[strange mango]

to clarify, funtioning ship refers to a ship thats useable in regular gameplay

[slow axle]

So basically just a fancy word to say that the Bad Guardian is a valid submission

[small breach]

i should make a railfan for this

is making the animation on a ship that itself is doing the same thing as the animation allowed?

like this but animated inside the ship as it's fanning, both the ship and the animation will be doing the samething at the same time

[strange mango]

yes that would be allowed, though it might need some presice timing

[small breach]

i'll try to do it in an mp game so i can record the gif in the rec

[strange mango]

basically yes

[small breach]

setting it up shouldn't be too hard since i'll do 24fps for a total of 96 frames

4 second fan isn't that bad

[strange mango]

using the mp recs for the gif is a great idea, i hadnt even considered that

[desert trail]

bottom stuff is the bits that didint quite work out

[lament skiff]

[elfin venture]

huh, i didn't get a single ship in? i mean they were all quite experimental and probably not very reliable in a fight

[mortal cave]

I found it very unfortunate that the Collection didn't make it in 😔. That was probably my favorite submission

[elfin venture]

next DC i'll see if i can make a Collection 2

it'll probably just also be called the Collection but still

[lament skiff]

there are a lot of ships im curious as to why they didnt make it in

[elfin venture]

in general it does seem smaller than i expected considering that the main draw was "everyone has a shot at getting in without winning"

[mortal cave]

I mean, a ~4th is a lot higher than it would have been...

[elfin venture]

fair

[lament skiff]

im quite sad balams dream didnt make it in i have never cooked so hard

[elfin venture]

hey at least you got Tempestbreaker in

[novel coyote]

It's been so long I had pretty much forgotten we where still waiting for the results

I'm glad inronsights got in

[slow axle]

@mortal cave Your post raised several questions I wish to be anwered
Has the architect voting concluded?
Did you canceled it?
Has every architects voted?
Will we not get feedback on why our ships were rejected like last contest?

And and thank you for having hosted the contest despite all the management complications. Glad to hear you are looking for improving the approval method or find a solution 🙏

[lament skiff]

He just posted the results

#tournament-announcements

[mortal cave]

• Yes
• Didn't wait for the remaining architects as 4/6 voted
• No
• They didn't look good enough or potentially were disqualified for having no reverse thrust

[vernal lance]

aw i lost

again

participating won't be a good idea from now on, it seems

[median patio]

2/3 ships in??? Let's fucking go

Both of those are definitely my best pieces of work

[past bramble]

aw the brick didnt get in

[desert trail]

i think i vaugely thought that mantis would get in, if only of the reason that it is basicly the smaller version of kazaaakillikpleth

still did not expect that

[late zenith]

dang no fog people made it in

tbh all 3 were squishy and the only noticeable impact any of them had is that someone seems to have made Semiramis longer a few days after I submitted the 3, potentially in response to the 28 nukes crammed onto the Fog Devourer

[toxic ocean]

Betrayal.

[toxic ocean]

You deserved to get in..

[toxic ocean]

''Didn't look good enough'' is extremely blunt and vague, there has to be a reason, right? Or have all the architects not provided a feedback.
Could we maybe see a spreadsheet like in the previous DC's architect vote.

---

I'm so sad A Red Balloon didn't get in, it was my favourite submission @ashen widget

[desert trail]

spreadsheets are always a good sorce of data

[past bramble]

i get it tho, its basically a pure mrt rammer, mrt cant turn anymore and it has basically nonexistant reverse thrust

i can always try again next time

maybe with the fancy curvy lines

an even more regal prick would be funny

[toxic ocean]

The RRRRRRRegallest of them all.

[desert trail]

reminds me, i should update mantis's paint and internals, mostly becase i've done the same with kazaaakillikpleth, aka the 1st ship i won a contest with

like dont get me wrong, out of the 3 ships in its class, it looks the coolest, but consitering the smaller and larger brothers are updated with updates, i should give it some love

-# (also the small one)

which also reminds the reminds of my minds rewinds, that i should ask walt if he likes / is ok with the updated Kaz...

[toxic ocean]

Honestly not THAT huge a difference.

[simple valve]

No reverse thrust, you will be skinned

Also aren't the red green lights only for civilian ships?

[desert trail]

perhaps, but whos to say what goes on in the minds of renigades

[toxic ocean]

I preferred the blue lights 100%

[toxic ocean]

Omg KAZ?!?!
Kolkhida reference GLORY TO THE GEORGIAN SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC

[desert trail]

no lol, but that is hilarius

ironicly that truck looks like something monolith would use

[toxic ocean]

Yeah. Kolkhida is a masterpiece.
People used to call it შინმოუსველლი or ''the one that does not come back home,'' because many technical issues it had. But it was the first Soviet truck for long range hauling and with a built in bed.

---

For context, I think I know what visual style I want to revive for the ship on which I'll do the animation >:)

Topic I mean.,

[desert trail]

i sence whatever you are going to do will be an epic looking thing

[toxic ocean]

Yee

[vernal lance]

wouldn't it be funny if someone somehow managed to merge build mode and paint animation together

within the boundaries of the undo technique, of course

hi, @strange mango, is adding audio allowed

or does it break rule 4, external program inhibition

[strange mango]

it breaks both rule 2 and rule 4, rule 2 because gifs dont support sound

[desert trail]

only way i can think of doing that is useing an gif assembler, but as blake said...

[slow axle]

How's the contest going for everyone?

[toxic ocean]

Just started on my robot boi™️

[toxic ocean]

How bout ya?

[desert trail]

i forgot it existed for a bit

[past bramble]

animation design contest

[slow axle]

At first I was going to say for sure that I couldn't participate but then I realised it's only been 12 days, not a month and a half like, as I had the impression

[toxic ocean]

We still have some 45 days.

[desert trail]

wait its a mosth and a half?

[strange mango]

its 2 months in total because animation can be very time consuming

[desert trail]

makes sence

[toxic ocean]

So glad that you agree with my perception as well.

[vernal lance]

procrastination

I haven't even started painting the ship I'm using for the contest yet

[toxic ocean]

I came to a painful realization that light animations are ineligible thanks to the fact that you need to be looking in paint mo-

Wait a second, hotkeys exist!

[toxic ocean]

Just a quick mockup I was wishing to share with ya'll.

[tired vapor]

even saris did not know of b -> i

[toxic ocean]

XD

[median patio]

Yall didn't know this?

[desert trail]

nope

[lament skiff]

ngl i read the convo and i still dont understand

[desert trail]

aparintly we have 2 months insted of 1

so rest of febuary and march

[desert trail]

so how goes oepr peolese animations? ive got 40 frames at 8 frames a sec dones so far

*other peoples

[toxic ocean]

Oer peolese is top 10 mispronounciation for sure.

[desert trail]

i thinks its a combo of typing fast and random dysgraphia

on an semi unrelated sidenote, that would perhaps make a good ship name

[toxic ocean]

Fringe shio names thread momento

Ship

[novel coyote]

I have not started yet

[desert trail]

well you've got a month and a week leftish i think

[toxic ocean]

I must build C.G.S. But Soltron v.2 had preoccupied me...

You know what... I don't think I need to do lightimation.

I could do something really wacky and fun, like recreating the doctor livesey walk from that soviet treasure island cartoon that became a meme!

[desert trail]

that would be realy funny i think

i need to add stars

[strange mango]

due to the fact ill be celebrating my birthday, i wont be actively checking this chat today and most of tomorrow, ill get to any questions when i get home

[slow axle]

Happy birthdate Blake!!!

Best wishes!

[strange mango]

thank you!

[toxic ocean]

Dude that is phenomenal, the way the moon starts reddening.

[desert trail]

happy birthday, hope you enjoy it

[strange mango]

thank you!

[strange mango]

im back

[inner basalt]

Happy birthday!Though it's late

[strange mango]

thank you!

[desert trail]

the fact that each one of these has over a thousand lights is realy doing great things to my fps/savespeed/loadingtime

also finaly made it to the blood moon part

[novel coyote]

How are you animating lights and paint at the same time?

[toxic ocean]

Was about to ask the same thing.

[desert trail]

not sure yet

[strange mango]

im honestly not quite sure if it would be possible, but if you find a way to do it i would love to hear how you pulled it off. though in case its not possible, be sure to have a back up plan

[desert trail]

alrigty... curint trys inculude:

makeing a fast ship to try and rotoscope it (doesint work due to camera not sticking)
pressing 'F' while selecting the last ship (skips frames)
draging camera (too slow)
buildmode/paintmode (cant do boulth at the same time)
ship library window (small, but posible, altho has them 3 wide)

i have.... yet one more trick up my sleave that i hope will work...

actualy 2

perhaps...

[novel coyote]

Do the rules actually allow more than one ship to be used?

[desert trail]

it doesint say, but consitering eatch frame you load is a seperate ship, techinly yes? i have no idea

[strange mango]

ill allow it

[desert trail]

this kinda works, but not realy,

this theoretically could work if the ships you put, actually stuck

unfortuneitly the only way they'l actualy do that is if you code them in.... and thats mostlikely off limits

[strange mango]

mods and similar things are off limits yes, it has to be done in vanila cosmoteer

if you want to go with the ship library window, its not 3 wide per see since the window is resizable

[novel coyote]

if you recorded the library window it would be crazy low resolution though wouldn't in

[strange mango]

large icons may help a bit

[desert trail]

i know, that brings it down to 2, which is sligltly more helpful, but not quite

[toxic ocean]

Would be very effective if it scrolled fast enough, right now it's just brain pain.

[desert trail]

yep....

[open stag]

Could you not just limit the fps?

[strange mango]

cant you save a buffer ship between each frame so its effectively 1 row?

[desert trail]

thats with the fps set to 8 frames a second,

[desert trail]

i could, but it probibly wouldint help sadly

[strange mango]

im hopefull you can make it work one way or another, ill try to brainstorm ideas as well

[slow axle]

Remember to everyone you got a whole month left

[desert trail]

yepx

[flint abyss]

you guys talking about the animation one, right ?

[toxic ocean]

Ja

[desert trail]

ya

[desert trail]

unfortuneitly i cannot find any posible way to have lights and paint, i'm still going to work on the animation, just know that anything i do post will unfortuneintly be disqualified due to external program (aka the gif assembler)

till then, this is what i gots so far

ether way this has been fun sofar

[strange mango]

id hate for you to go through this much effort just be unable to submit your work, but i dont have much ideas to get around it, the only thing i can come up with is to make a version where the lights get replaced with paint and submit that version, though some sacrifices will have to be made too do that

im glad you are enjoying the prosees though, knowing people enjoy my contests is what makes them fun for me

[toxic ocean]

What is such a sin in pre-recording a gif by chucking ship files in a gifmaker I still don't understand.

[strange mango]

the original idea was "if i allow external programs, people may not be working with the same tools, potentially creating an unfair advantage" but i may have been too restricting with it, so im considering allowing any free gif maker

but im not sure about changing a rule mid contest

[slow axle]

Let's assume Cosmoteer has a built-in GIF maker and therefore using one isn't really 3rd party

[grizzled sequoia]

Wait, if that is allowed I can use my ophanim?

I already had an idea to make new one before

[strange mango]

yes

[strange mango]

well that answers that

[toxic ocean]

It is an unofficial contest with the intention of encouraging some cool user made animations, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't have been an overwhelming yes.

[desert trail]

i acualy didnt vote, since i was mostly the only one afected

[tired vapor]

why even have the rules if you're just going to change them so someone can have an advantage

[strange mango]

i try to prioritize fun in my contests, and making a whole animation just to be unable to submit it doesnt sound all that fun to me. i dont intent to make a habit of changing a rule mid contest. in fact its something i try to avoid at all cost, thats why i keep my previous rules from past contests as a reference, so i can learn from them, but this being the first of its kind, i had no reference to work with, and made a mistake because of it. i did what i could to fix the mistake, and i get that some may not enjoy how i did it, but as much as i want and try to, i cant always please everyone, im sorry

[tired vapor]

main problem imo is that if it were announced as such at first, other people might've made different things

[toxic ocean]

It was a dumb rule to implement to begin with if I'm honest, like of course people would want to do hybrid animations too in this animation contest.

[slow axle]

Does anyone have an idea on how to fix the spacing on Cosmoteer or am I the only person using a graphic tablet

I guess it is somewhat a sort of a little vibe or style... it's ugly...

[novel coyote]

mayybe its a value you could find and change in the files? I doubt it though

[slow axle]

By the time you spoke I already checked for it, brushes are editable in Data/gui/game/designer/brushes.rules and this is what the code looks like (ignoring the immutable stuff and non block brushes that only refers to a file we do not have access to as users)

            Type = Block
            ID = block1
            Size = [1, 1]
            NameKey = "Brushes/Block1x1"
            IconNameKey = "Brushes/Block1x1Icon"
            DefaultEditorHotkey = [D1]

            Icon
            {
                Texture
                {
                    File = "brush_1x1.png"
                    MipLevels = 2
                    SampleMode = Linear
                }
            }
        }```
In other words, (or I guess you could say *actual* words), it is very likely that the value exists, somewhere in the source code, but I am afraid this variable has no way of being edited through the modding system.

[novel coyote]

unfortunate

[slow axle]

I understand though, performences issues. But my question was rather aimed not directly on "fixing spacing" but rather "painting in a convenient way on a large canvas, like with a pencil drawing, while taking into account the bad spacing"

I tried using lights, as the blur somewhat helps, but I am open to more solutions

[slow axle]

Would loading the files directly in the game using pngs against the rules? That way I paint my frames in Krita and trouble not with Cosmoteer
Please, ignore the black exterior lights on his head

[strange mango]

i use a drawing tablet too, and have the same issue, so i use the line tool in short strokes and it kinda works

[strange mango]

i didnt even know you could make ship files from standard pngs, but i think using an actual art program for the actual frames would be a major advantage so im going to have to say no, as a general rule of thumb. while a gif tool is allowed, the majority of the prosees should still take place in cosmoteer, its still a cosmoteer based contest after all

[desert trail]

le' uh oh

[desert trail]

i supose reminder that we have like 2 weeks left

[strange mango]

2 weeks and a few days

[toxic ocean]

I haven't made a thing :<

[desert trail]

why nick

[elfin venture]

i also have not made a thing

[desert trail]

why haves my 2 favorate peopel not done stufs, this is very sad

[elfin venture]

well im in england

and i do not normally exist in england

so i am too busy, not to mention i havent done any animations before

[strange mango]

participating is never mandatory, and chances are ill do this again in the future so theres always another oportunity

[vernal lance]

I have not done a thing

[desert trail]

79 frames and i'm still only like 3/4th? ish done...

[slow axle]

It would be very unfortunate if you are the only submission, mister admral

Do you want me to do an animation about a spinning cube or moving dots so there's atleast an iillusion of competition?

[desert trail]

no idea

i do bet meekoz will be there tho

• at least one other random person that no one has seen before

so theres atleast 3 peopel

[strange mango]

historically these more unusual contests dont attract many players so i dont expect much, but as long as a few people enjoy them ill keep doing them

[novel coyote]

I finally have a good idea so hopefully I'll submit something

[toxic ocean]

@grizzled sequoia nice transformer!

[grizzled sequoia]

gundam

[toxic ocean]

Wellll I'm not versed in what that is. It transformas = it's transformer :P

Except I guess I am moderately familiar with Voltron, that's where name Soltron comes from if it wasn't obvious XD

[lament skiff]

gundam reference = peak

[past bramble]

holy shit thats cool

even got the V fin and everything

https://tenor.com/view/機動戦士ガンダuc-mobile-suit-gundam-unicorn-mobile-suit-gundam-mecha-anime-anime-gif-26884001

[strange mango]

we are officially in the last 2 weeks of the animation contest

(i was like a second early so its showing the wrong minute but you get the idea)

[toxic ocean]

Kaiju stuff

[vernal lance]

very small, and insignificant nitpick
the tail instantly snapping is very off-putting especially to the considerably smoother animation everything else has

great now I get the actually good idea for an animated ship

[strange mango]

also, if i had a penny for every time one of my more unusual contests got a submission based on mecha anime i would have 2 pennys

[desert trail]

i stayed up way too late last night working on the animation, to the point i could hear my bones screaming. but now i'm 90% done

[strange mango]

please dont prioritize any of my contests over your health, id hate for someone to get hurt over a silly event i held

[desert trail]

i'm fine, its more like i was tired

right now i'm trying to figure out why the heck my computer saved half the frames double the size of the other ones...

[strange mango]

okay, good to know its just tiredness, that said sleep is important too

[desert trail]

yep

[strange mango]

1 week to go until the submission deadline (minus 1 hour cus im late)

[desert trail]

2 days left, not counting today

-# hey meekoz, do you think we might just end up doing a rock paper scissors match?

[simple valve]

each make an animated rock paper scissors ship ending in your choice, spoiler it, and reveal it after the deadline

[desert trail]

thats actualy a realy good idea lol

[strange mango]

i mean if meekoz agrees, then why not

jokes aside, i think ill stick with a vote form since thats how its described in the rules, tho it will be vote for 1 instead of 3 due to obvious reasons

[slow axle]

I am afraid that I will not have time to make any sorts of animations

Thank you for having listened to my feedback about extending the deadline, Blake,

@desert trail I did proposed making a spinning cube or moving dots a while ago

[strange mango]

you have slightly less than 24 hours to submit your animations

[median patio]

dw ill cook something up in 22 hours trust me

[slow axle]

This is so sad I want to elect them both as winners

[strange mango]

both are really well done, even though theres just 2 to vote on its a hard choice

[slow axle]

How much time should the mini contest last? I was thinking of 5 days but I'm sure some peoples need more
I set 4 for now, as I am not available on saturday. But I might extend it or review the rules if there's too little submissions

[median patio]

Kinda confused on what the contest is

So like the guardian repaint but with a player ship instead?

[slow axle]

I changed the wording of the announcement post, did it helped?

[lament skiff]

the tldr is that the mini tournament is uploading an unpainted ship

Then a winner is chosen

Then the following tournament is everyone paints that ship

[median patio]

Ok

[open stag]

@slow axle I assume there is a max cost?

[flint abyss]

i used an unpainted ship so people don't think with the original paint.
but yeah, i make shape (with holes) before painting the ship, and don't modify the shape in the painting step

[slow axle]

Absolutely not. Theorical max size is limited to when the ship becomes illegal

If peoples vote for a ship that costs 8 millions, I see no reasons not to subject it to the paint contest

I will consider, perhaps, another time, removing this limitation and think something with very very large ships
Not coming tomorrow though 😛

[raven isle]

Only good ship hull I have above 670k is modded so I'll wait for the painting part of the contest

[slow axle]

The ship may be painted, or unpainted. The submission process depends on the state of the paint and is specified under RULES
The goal is to encourage working on a repaint, which may be easier to picture, than painting from scratch. Also I still like the idea of putting the original ship on the votes like with Guardian
And of course, I don't want to let anyone down so non-painters can still submit their designs as I know some of them are very intresting!

[slow axle]

You can always try to quickly convert to it vanilla unless the mods are quite heavy?

[raven isle]

It uses Large Laser turrets from Galactic Allegiance as its main weapon so not really

[elfin venture]

thing about this, is that large ships take a lot of time to paint, and then a lot of people just don't have the time to participate by painting an 8mil sized ship, so you end up with like 3 people total doing the painting if a large design wins

[slow axle]

My assumption is that if people wouldn't like to paint it, they simply wouldn't vote for it

[strange mango]

since i have a ton of art in this game, im somewhat tempted to just submit a giant silhouette of hatsune miku or something

[desert trail]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[strange mango]

oh i need to make it funtional, i nearly forgot

[slow axle]

That's why this rule exists
But please, I know you got some amazing ship art! Don't shy

[slow axle]

@tired vapor Your submission is underpriced by 171k

Should I consider a ship without hyperdrives nor airlocks but still able to fly and fight "fully functional"?
I lean toward saying yes, as it's not necessary in a paint contest, though I am open to opinions

[past bramble]

oh wait that thing doesnt have airlocks?

i will change ti something else

[slow axle]

Activatewindows's hull does, as well as the top section of Meekoz's, and bottom section of XDERP's

Explode the reactors, repair the ship and make sure not to hire any crew, transfer all crew from your design to it to check whether you are missing airlocks or not

[desert trail]

now that i think about it, i wonder if i should swap my ship for a diferent and more aysimetrical one for variation, since all the others are basicly symmetrical

probibly wont but i dont know

[flint abyss]

pretty sure i have airlocks at the bottom too, looks like next to the DCs, i'll check it anyway

nvm, it's indeed a mistake (wtf though)

thx for pointing it out, updating ship right now

done

wait, what was i thinking ? 3 HE factories for 3 missile launchers ?

this reality has been reckoned

though the shape did not change. but for me it changes everything

[tired vapor]

oopsie

[keen haven]

Is huge ships mod allowed I got a ship around 8mil so it isn’t too big?

[slow axle]

I do not consider huge ship as being "vanilla", though it's just my opinion I'll adjust the rules to make it clear

[vernal lance]

I have the perfect ship to submit

unfortunately our internet decided to sever its brain stem with a rusty can of lead

[flint abyss]

while huge ship is a vanilla mod, i agree that it's still modded in a way.
also spare our life, we can already make big enough ships to make me regret the concept of paiting a ship

[tired vapor]

that is an illegal ship

[raven socket]

is there any update on the architect voting for the august (i think it was august) 2024 (i think it was 2024) design contest, or should i give up all hope.

[novel coyote]

#tournament-announcements message

[slow axle]

@novel coyote While I excuse the lack of hyperdrives as I do with the other submissions, I wish to atleast have a proper name attached to the ship
Being able to rename the ship is in the rules, so you do not have to worry about it first hand, but Idfk Name It paint contest! doesn't sound very epic

With a name like that I also hope that is not a ship drawn from your WIP folder by the way

@strange mango Amazing to see you submit! It's a really pretty piece you got there, unfortunately it seems to be an unupdated classic design as it lacks the control points to be properly functional

-------------- ♡ --------------
Oh, and I just need to clarify in-case some peoples assumed stuff without reading the mini contest rules; you are not obligated to construct a ship for the contest! You can directly submit one of your existing works

@vernal lance Your ship is lacking weapon assignements

[strange mango]

it is an older ship yea, ill update it when i can, currently making my dinner

[slow axle]

You have a full day over the weekend, do not worry

[strange mango]

updated ships been posted

[desert trail]

it looks quite cool, depending on how the mini contest votes go i hope it will be one i can paint

[strange mango]

thank you, i appreciate it

[flint abyss]

beware of the "Green Idfk Name It paint contest!" !

yeah, it doesn't really roll of the tongue

[flint abyss]

that what i did :I

i mean, using an existing one

that i have yet to paint

months ago

i was also thinking of submitting that one

maybe next time ;)

[raven socket]

thanks :)

[novel coyote]

alright adding hyperdrives and a name
it's certainly not from my wips folder btw I made it over the last few days after this contest was announced

[slow axle]

There are so many submissions that are lacking a hyperdrive or airlocks I may just ask the winner's author permission to mend it

Anyhow, I am quite decently surprised not to see any submissions from peoples like Concrete, Nick & Itchy. Despite having all the amazing hulls ready to be sent down the channel

[toxic ocean]

:>

I was considering making a hull...

HEY

I COULD USE ARES!

I never ended up painting Ares.

Then I'd have an actual incentive to paint the thing! a winner [imagine how funny it'd be id it was me.] Wouldn't matter for me seeing that ship in many styles could be aweso e.

[slow axle]

Yes but you're too indecisive

[open stag]

I forgot to submit one

[slow axle]

Oh please

I wonder how many peoples just procrastinated so hard a twelve second task

[desert trail]

well at least +1,

[toxic ocean]

Oh 😭

I just opened cosmoteer to submit the hull

Whatever, not like I care.

[slow axle]

I am quite surprised many of you name your finished ships gibberish

[novel coyote]

uhhh so it looks like my ship didn't save the name properly

[slow axle]

I saw it, first thought it was trolling, then realised the error then adjusted it myself

[desert trail]

i just realized you included the Canadian syllabics final or " ᣟ " for lynx, only reason it has that is to prevent duplicate names with other ship mods,

it doesint actualy afect anyting i just find it funny

[open stag]

You underestimate my procrastinating abilities

[worldly surge]

putting the pro into procrastination?

[flint abyss]

on jewjuice ship's how are the small thrusters powered ?

also i bet blake's ship will win the votes. it's a sick af ship

[flint abyss]

though there's little matter to work with

[toxic ocean]

What do you mean procrastinated I found out there was a ''hull poll'' literally yesterday.

[lament skiff]

the hull poll started yesterday but submissions for the hulls opened a week before

[elfin venture]

small thrusters generate power by themselves

[flint abyss]

what ?

[elfin venture]

small thrusters generate power by themselves

this was added at the end of January

its 0.005/sec power gen according to wiki

this is deliberately not enough to sustain, its meant to make STs viable as manoeuvring thrusters as they can be put in inaccessible places to help ships with turning and stuff, but can't be used for sustained flight in the same way

[lament skiff]

better idea: have hundreds of them and use them for free powerless flight

[elfin venture]

yea but then your flight turns off after a few seconds

[lament skiff]

You just need enough of them to sustain

[elfin venture]

That's not how that works

they'll just all go at once and then all turn off at once

[toxic ocean]

Yeah I meant submissions.

[desert trail]

i did not expect to get that many votes on the animation i did

[flint abyss]

@slow axle how long is the ship vote ?

[slow axle]

ATM I am handling big and I am very fainty
The poll closed yasterday but I see no reasons to actually close it before I can finish the doc and start the contest

I set my deadline for the doc on the 14th but I'll do my best to whenever possible

[flint abyss]

ok

[slow axle]

@elder marsh Can you please give a proper name to your submission? And Update your ship file, or give me the permission to edit it, while making sure All hyperdrives have power access and are correctly assigned, And all crew can leave via airlocks? (currently some are missing and others have missing doors)

@strange mango I can ask you the same with adding hyperdrives and path for some crew, though I appreciate the work you've done so far

I figured out instead of nitpicking every submission for lacking airlocks or hyperdrives I was just going to ask the only winners. And just because I know most of the painters won't care about logistics and not having proper hyperdrives and airlocks would make the shipfiles unusable from a gameplay standpoint

[strange mango]

will do

[slow axle]

Thank you!

[elder marsh]

@slow axle sorry for the issues ._.

hopefully should be fixed??

[slow axle]

It is completely OK to have flawed logistics on your ships, not everyone has massive standards and I must say: Aesthetics > All. That is also the reason I did not verbally flagged the 9/14 submission that had either airlock or hyperdrive issues.
Thank you for solving the issues, seems everything is good now, and Thank you for the name.

Now I shall wait for Blake to finish his or give me permission to

[flint abyss]

though, don't hesitate to tell me if my ship does have issues XD

[strange mango]

@slow axle here you go, its not efficient but it works

[slow axle]

Seem like you are still missing airlocks on the upper parts, mind if I add them?

Hyperdrives work so it's good on that part

[strange mango]

oh right sorry about that, here you go (see my next post, needed another fix)

[flint abyss]

wait wait wait, that path to deliver energy to that one shield XD

i know it's just an artistic ship, but i love the auto door placement

on a more serious note, those crew are stuck, no door out. (left side of the ship)

@strange mango ^

[strange mango]

not sure how that happened, i used mirror mode for the whole prosees and its fine on the other side

[slow axle]

@strange mango Efficency is very optional don't worry ^-^
Besides, you have more issues with factory requiring ammo now than bad door placement

The ship seems all good now, ready to go

[flint abyss]

december 2024 ? nice first impression to the google doc :P

i'm saying that but i do the same mistakes at work

[slow axle]

Fixed, thank you.

[raven socket]

i like this ship design a lot

[desert trail]

also i jamed some fire extiguishers in since it didint have any

[flint abyss]

noice

[strange mango]

thank you, i appreciate that

[strange mango]

looking good already

[desert trail]

the funny bit is had i not had 8 hours of work at ikea, i'd probiby have finished it yesterday

[flint abyss]

sexy

[lament skiff]

Beast mode

[desert trail]

think this is good enught for today

[toxic ocean]

Grant posting a preview image for every decal he places:

[desert trail]

more like every couple of hours,

[slow axle]

That ship is also very hard to paint

I am very curious on what peoples will make of Starsunder (if there's anyone, this chat been a lot more silent than with Guardian repaint)

[flint abyss]

i'm reading :3

[toxic ocean]

YES, because instead of a very specifically arraged agglomeration of spindley parts and tiny enclosed modules that I see only 2 or 3 ways of painting, Guardian was a perfectly adaptable blank canvas!

Albeit very cool arrangement of random parts, but it would be so much better as a one off ship than an entire contest built around it.

Just saying.

I'm so glad rotten core didn't win the last paint contest, it would've gotten 3 attendees instead of 20+ because such a specific hull is inherently less incentivizing to customize in one's very own personal faction style of choice.

[slow axle]

Well you have two ships avaliable for paint, one of which is what I would consider a perfectly adaptable blank canvas

Asides, there's a point in the rules I think a lot of you simply missed perhaps because you did not read it and assumed most of it from last contest: You are allowed to transform all originally placed structure parts of Mystical Mist by corresponding coridoor or armor tiles, and vice versa

[elfin venture]

wait, can you do both or just one of them?

[slow axle]

Allowed by the rules

You can finish the bottom part if you want but my point has been made

It would be sad to throw away such a nice canvas for being too scarce

[slow axle]

You can do both, or only one. It's up to you

[elfin venture]

ah ok

[flint abyss]

i just didn't start to paint the ships yet

[humble cipher]

i like that it has some symmetry

[toxic ocean]

Oh my god this takes me back :D

[flint basin]

I forgot about this contest fr

i been painting this

[slow axle]

Excuse me, which hull is that?

Looks like a ship that is neither CTRL nor Blake

[elfin venture]

its neither of them - that ship isn't for the contest at all

james was saying that they forgot about the contest and was working on that ship instead of participating in the contest because they forgot

[slow axle]

My apologies I got carried away