design contest chat

[flint abyss]

(or paint, if i feel lazy)

[spring haven]

Made some progress on the paint

[elfin venture]

nice

maybe lore wise part of the ship is basically stolen from a morbiter? that's what it looks like to me

[spring haven]

Hadn't though of lore but that gives me an idea. Maybe it's made from two unfinished prototypes fused together?

[elfin venture]

i could see that happening

[elfin venture]

🤔

[lament skiff]

uooghhh

[elfin venture]

what

[lament skiff]

looks cool

[elfin venture]

thank

[grizzled sequoia]

I really like the contrast, looks cartoonist

[elfin venture]

@desert trail nice job on Mantis there, looks real nice

between the butt mines, nuke placement, claws and everything it just looks very nice

i think i like it more than Kazaakilikpleth

[desert trail]

i'm curantly trying to wright up some lore about how it was the origanal before Kazaaakilikpleth was made.

becase funnily it was

[tired vapor]

noooo i was not quick enough for every orher submission to be mine

i just can't think of a name :(

[elfin venture]

show me the ship

[lament skiff]

call it ball weaver

[tired vapor]

i should've autofired some thrust acutally

but the balls are not going inside each other

[lament skiff]

autofire thrust??

[elfin venture]

ah that one

[elfin venture]

air means for the glory shot

[tired vapor]

for the glamour shot

[lament skiff]

O

[elfin venture]

what's the last colour you're going to lose

*use

[tired vapor]

none probably

[elfin venture]

fym none

it looks unfinished

[tired vapor]

metal plate

[elfin venture]

at least use a 3rd metal so you can do megagigafades

or whatever they're called

where there's 3 of one colour

[lament skiff]

tri fade

1 for shadow 1 for highlight

[tired vapor]

it does not look good

[elfin venture]

imo it doesn't look good right now so

[tired vapor]

easier for you to get master of design then :P

[elfin venture]

i... guess that's a valid train of thought

[tired vapor]

i just need a name lol

weed eater \👍

[lament skiff]

it’s a cool ship, unique shape, but it looks like you’re not using an entire layer

[tired vapor]

that is not true

[elfin venture]

not particularly one that i like but it is definitely a train of thought that one can have

[lament skiff]

shadow layer, grey, slightly lighter grey

[tired vapor]

there is purple :) everywhere

[lament skiff]

oh

[lament skiff]

alrightyyyy

[tired vapor]

the ftl works now

[lament skiff]

i am officially on a 9 day vacation as of right now, time to spend 300 straight hrs building and painting

[bronze citrus]

looks nice, im glad u implemented a couple of my suggestions

2mil on the dot but i do think this will ruin some people's day

[tired vapor]

ai can't turn very well

[lament skiff]

oh nice

pretty similar to mine

[bronze citrus]

it has missiles to hopefully take out any stupid squib/flankers and its gonna be on autoram so hopefully it wont lose to orbiters

it goes 100 lol

mrt op

[bronze citrus]

somewhat inspired but this is just the form that most mrt cg ships take

[lament skiff]

yee

[tired vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-gif-25363844

1 ship/day

[bronze citrus]

if we could actually use hooks, this ship would be a lot better

unfortunate

[tired vapor]

well you can

rather difficult to make hooks that can only grab ship sized stuff and not debris or rock sized stuff though

[median patio]

you see the vision?

[lament skiff]

tes

ys

[lament skiff]

v3 is a failure

[median patio]

i have mo idea how to do this center crystal

[lament skiff]

just pick a direction

doesnt need to be perfectly symm

[median patio]

we going both directions

[lament skiff]

your brain is big

[median patio]

im cooking this dc

[lament skiff]

is huge ships allowed

my ship is long and the build grid is, well, not large enough

[median patio]

i dont think so

[lament skiff]

Nothing in the rules explicitly says so as far as I can tell

@mortal cave

[mortal cave]

No

[lament skiff]

Life is spin

[median patio]

crys

tal

[lament skiff]

waow

[median patio]

i think its a bit messy tbh

[lament skiff]

I think the x pattern ones are jarring

[median patio]

like the one in the middle overlapping another one?

[lament skiff]

yeah

it’s like
vertical
vertical
vertical
vertical
x
vertical

[novel coyote]

They're cool though

[median patio]

how about
vertical
vertical
vertical
vertical
x
diagonal
diagonal
diagonal

[lament skiff]

I guess id have to see it

[lament skiff]

hmmm

seems a litle chaotic

could work if you clean it up

[median patio]

i think the fades and the really small gems are the problem

yeah the fades def were some of the problem

and too much detail on the small gems

and the skinny ones

[tribal heath]

"x" is like a sign of pirates ☠️ or something

[median patio]

shiny pirate

cleaned it up a bit

[lament skiff]

Seems better

[median patio]

this tho

[median patio]

now i stare at it for 10 min

i think i can use lights as a complementary

[lament skiff]

Ye

[median patio]

hm not really

[elfin venture]

why

also here's the Collection finished

[median patio]

actually

hm

[bronze citrus]

pretty

[elfin venture]

i can say i never expected to blow up my own ship for a glory shot

[median patio]

banshee but better

[elfin venture]

yea p.much lol

[lament skiff]

the bottom chainguns cant fire (critical failure) and its overbudget (fixable)

[lament skiff]

glory shot?

[elfin venture]

oh

[lament skiff]

idk if its just me but if a ship has lights i can hardly tell on the ship.png

[elfin venture]

glory gif

[median patio]

could use a wider aspect ratio imo

[elfin venture]

it is hard to tell esp. since the lights on this one are dark and mostly used between parts of the ship

[lament skiff]

ye

[elfin venture]

full screenshot im just not gonna include all that empty space

[elfin venture]

its performance against Eos is weird, it beats it, but sometimes it never splits and other times it splits once or twice

[lament skiff]

my reccomendation is to use some brighter lights to give it a more glowy magical look

[elfin venture]

i can just brighten all the lights

[lament skiff]

idk if you gotta brighten em all

[elfin venture]

they're p. dark since their colours are taken from the bluish-purple used in the paint

[lament skiff]

the dark lights give it dark magic vibes

i think a mix would be ideal

[elfin venture]

aight

i also have .ship files of the individual sprocketoids

[median patio]

shoot, this thing only goes 50m/s

is this ideal?

[lament skiff]

lmao epic, send them in as the other two ships lmao

[median patio]

is there a speed requirement for the dc?

[lament skiff]

uhhh i dont believe theres a hard requirement

just fast enough to not be free railkite food

[elfin venture]

haha no

the non-flak variant might not be expensive enough actually

only 2facs and 18 crew running the whole ship

[median patio]

why do i always forget sensors :<

[elfin venture]

ok just checked the smallets Collected is just barely large enough to qualify, though a hyperdrive would also need to be added

[median patio]

thoughts?

[elfin venture]

a tad repetitive but nice

[median patio]

i have an idea for my third and final ship

a combination of all 4 of these ships

wings, emp, ion core, distinctive shape

wings will be completely aesthetic

cg ion core perhaps

[lament skiff]

sounds exciting :)

does this evoke whimsy

i was trying to use both negative and positive space

[elfin venture]

updated ver

[elfin venture]

i see a creature in there

[lament skiff]

whar

[lament skiff]

Can i see w/o guns blazing

[elfin venture]

i don't have a not shooting glory shot

[lament skiff]

[elfin venture]

now im wondering what to do for my last ship

i have a few options

[lament skiff]

Explain

[lament skiff]

Hmmmm

Interesting

[novel coyote]

That reminds me SO MUCH of that clip of guy hitting a spider with a broom and all its babies coming off its back

[lament skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-nope-move-away-nasa-explosion-gif-14113120

[novel coyote]

You probably don't want to change the name but i might have called it wolf spider

[lament skiff]

whew

[elfin venture]

even more glowy ver

im starting to run out of places to put lights

[lament skiff]

when my extremely stupid plan bears fruit

[lament skiff]

huge improvement i love

[elfin venture]

im sorry but when i saw this the very first thing i thought was "the gay creachure"

it looks quite nice tho

[elfin venture]

do you have enough budget leftover for the weapons?

[lament skiff]

the weapons are already on it below

[elfin venture]

it's a PD fighter?

[elfin venture]

thank

[lament skiff]

no

[elfin venture]

that will probably be the final verson of this ship/s

[elfin venture]

oh

how much money do you have leftover?

[lament skiff]

200k

[elfin venture]

i would use that to clean up the same and add some structure in the nuke area imo

having one of hte most decorated, cool looking structure setups and then just nothing below it looks odd

[lament skiff]

yeah im probably gonna use most/all of it for decorative stuff

oh yeah its not done

at all

[median patio]

funny ship

i like it

[elfin venture]

i still i have no idea what my 3rd ship will be

[median patio]

all crew in nukes have airlocks?

[lament skiff]

They will

basically i just have the barest minimum rn there will be more armor and structure all over

[elfin venture]

u probably also want a bit mroe reverse thrust (rotate the outermost HTs perhaps?) since an enemy touching the structure is probably close enough to have its missiles go around the PD

[lament skiff]

yeah i will

[elfin venture]

but you seriously cooked with that structure and concept is great so i'm excited to see what you're bringing to the table

[lament skiff]

this is like 20% done lol

[elfin venture]

tho it is probably kinda fragile with practically no armour

[median patio]

who needs armor when theres gonna be no projectiles

[elfin venture]

ions

chainguns'

[median patio]

lasers and disruptors tho

[lament skiff]

and also limited lifespan as there are 32 nukes there that will tear through most things in one salvo

[elfin venture]

there's WHAT

[median patio]

flak would be a little better but its much more expensive

[lament skiff]

also the pd will look like funi little light show

[elfin venture]

you know what else has 32 nukes? this

literally twice its size and still has the same no. of nukes

[bronze citrus]

yall already taking glory shots and the contest started like 2 days ago 😭

[elfin venture]

ich bin speed

[bronze citrus]

my belovered

[elfin venture]

thank you

[lament skiff]

voluntas also has 32 iirc and alexander has 34

[bronze citrus]

one of my ships will be a 500k nuke barge with mibes

i am not sorry

[elfin venture]

i am still slightly irritated by aeternum having less nukes than alexander

[elfin venture]

now that i think about it i should probably make a mine ship

i'm tossing up between:

• Aurora Australis
• flesh ship
• small ship

[lament skiff]

1 or 2

[bronze citrus]

2/3 of my ships have mines but neither are really the main focus of it (because the ai cant use them very well anyways)

[elfin venture]

a small ship won't look as cool but also at this rate there's gonna be like no low-level independents

[bronze citrus]

what counts as low level lol

[elfin venture]

as far as i'm concerned, below 6

then 6-12 is mid level and 12-18 is high level

[lament skiff]

this ship was initially gonna be about 750k-1m but then shields and pd and thrusters were a lot more expensive than planned

[bronze citrus]

around 200k then?

[elfin venture]

ye smthing like that

i could submit chevron potentially

or perhabs a 500k version that's even more jack of all trades

[bronze citrus]

hmm i do wanna try my hand at that too but my ships are mostly set in stone. maybe the nuke barge can go

[tribal heath]

It's a classic problem 😌

[lament skiff]

The two ships im currently working on are gonna push 2m but my third one im gonna force myself to keep below 1m

[bronze citrus]

your poor pd 💀

[lament skiff]

y poor

[bronze citrus]

terrible line of sight

cause lights everywhere

[lament skiff]

each pd has like 75% unobstructed los

[bronze citrus]

hmm

ig its worth the flair

[lament skiff]

thats why i have so many

so they can watch each others backs

[median patio]

extra armor

[bronze citrus]

actually there are very few honest to god cannon triangles, i might make one

cannon dorito

at a very low cost

fringe has one but it doesnt rly commit to the bit

[lament skiff]

i agree

[tribal heath]

This is definitely a nice ship, I remember your "I can't do imperium ships", huh. Great work!

[lament skiff]

i didnt even notice but apparently these two little strips are the keystone pieces my ships structure and if any of those blocks break it gets splitted

post-alpha salvo relentless nuke barrage is satisfying

[elfin venture]

damn watching this thing in action is so nice

[elfin venture]

well back then i was just kinda bad at everything except fringe lmao
i did aeternum partially to prove once and for all that I can do imperium ships

[lament skiff]

visually i enjoy this ship but mechanically it is objectively fuckass

that being said, why does this fuckass ship beat desecrator

[elfin venture]

it has 32 nukes surely it's not that fuckass

[small breach]

going well

[slow axle]

Gives me vibes of this guy

Da pancakes men

[elfin venture]

oh hi elder hu

elder hu aka the "i think i'm missing an upgrade" boss fight

[elfin venture]

oh nice

[small breach]

waiting for nick to comment

[elfin venture]

nick appears offline

[small breach]

he'll come eventually i'm sure

but anyways this tournament my submissions are actually decent

[lament skiff]

Generally in testing it seems the more compact the enemy the higher the chance of victory

[elfin venture]

my submissions are just all wtf

[small breach]

(left is 2, i cannot decide which to pick)

[elfin venture]

i think my last ship will definitely be conventionally painted

[lament skiff]

Glue them together ass to ass into one ship

[small breach]

yeah sure thing

[small breach]

got it

[elfin venture]

i promise

its going to be designed incredibly weirdly just like the Tractor Tractor Beam™️ and Sprocketoid Card Booster Pack™️ but i will paint it with normal techniques and not a white/grey and blue/purple colour scheme

both of these ships basically use a sculpting setup except the dark layer is layer 3 instead of layer 2

[small breach]

done 👍

[elfin venture]

beautiful

[small breach]

so while i planned to kill a bunch of built ins and bring them back as their railfan varients, i don't think i'll do this anymore that ship sucks combat wise

[lament skiff]

rail liquidator is so hot

[small breach]

indeed

it's perfect for a railswap (flak is actually the perfect dimensions for 0 accel railguns)

[median patio]

turns out my supplier crew didnt even have doors lol
the first time i tested it the ship destroyed its enemy in one salvo

[median patio]

name: 🔥 🔥

[toxic ocean]

@median patio Amazing ship dude, I love all the unique highlighting techniques you've been doing.

[median patio]

Thanks

Ever since i incorporated art into my designs they have been much better

[toxic ocean]

Heck yeah, same.

[median patio]

And it all started because of xsnows design contest
Couldn't fill a area up so I put a star there
Then on another ship i had the same problem
And it begun

@elfin venture
I don't even play or watch hollow knight it was just a name that stuck in my head lol

[elfin venture]

and yet you get the hk reference lol
but thats' fair, Radiant/Radiance is a great name for things

[median patio]

Only know radiance because of terraria lol

[elfin venture]

oh is it because of those people saying empress is a radiance reference or whatever when it isn't

[median patio]

Yeah

And there's an calamity item named radiance

That I use a lot

[desert trail]

nearly forgot.

@toxic ocean remember to work on / submit your ships if you havent already. you have 20 days left

[median patio]

20 days feels like 20 minutes

[tired vapor]

i forgot to fill it in

anyways, i have no more dc related dc ships to make so if anyone wants/needs optimizations lmk

[lament skiff]

do you know the best way to squeeze 6 cg's in a tight barrel orthogonally

[tired vapor]

show the ship

depends on what ur definition of best is

[lament skiff]

maximizing the defense

[tired vapor]

is that not already the best

or at least fairly close

[lament skiff]

idk

best i can do

[flint abyss]

just made that :3

i'll make a big ship and paint this one

i intend to make a DC strafer defended by a shield of flak (and maybe good old EMP side weapon ahah)

[toxic ocean]

''Couldn't fill an area'' is exactly how people start messing with custom assets and how they get addicted with it.

[lament skiff]

chat im cooking

[small breach]

i don't think i am

[tired vapor]

oooo nice

[tired vapor]

where

[small breach]

it's very chaotic tho

but anyways all my submissions so far:

[lament skiff]

is middle one complete?

[small breach]

put the legened of zelda ocarina of time time travel melody in there

[small breach]

middle and far left

[lament skiff]

i actually put the piece this ship will be named after there

[small breach]

good enough

[lament skiff]

the whole ship is based off the piece lol

i decided listening to this piece that it needs 32 nukes

[small breach]

lmao

it's also really funny how undergunned my ships are, despite my pvp ships having so much firepower

[lament skiff]

how much does middle one cost

[small breach]

i'm talking like 40%+ firepower on my pvp ships and these are lucky enough to have 2 railguns

[small breach]

1.4mil

almost there

[lament skiff]

yeah thats not good but not the worst

[small breach]

i mean it does have 8 mines and 2 16accel railguns

just that usually, i have way more firepower

[lament skiff]

it seems maybe about average for a built in

maybe a little below

[small breach]

lemme compare to ictina

okay differences are: 4 flak, 12 pd, more kiting thrust, 8 emp no mines, alot more ammo, shorter railguns

[lament skiff]

i didn’t even notice the lacka flakka

[small breach]

less shielding too

[lament skiff]

gl w missiles

[small breach]

it's not meant to fight them anyways

hm i can extend the wings to have some pd

now the shape reminds me of a ship from starsector

hmmm

[tired vapor]

why is it covered in '

oh wait

music

i see

[small breach]

hm

[lament skiff]

[small breach]

which one is better?

[lament skiff]

New

[flint abyss]

left

[past bramble]

Left looks fuller i prefer that

[median patio]

Left looks more rigid

[small breach]

hm this is a bit too chaotic

goes over like 3 styles

but anyways all my submissions are "done" (i'll continue refining them and stuff and i'll post them on 8/19 or 8/20 probably)

[lament skiff]

Nice :)

[small breach]

hey @toxic ocean what do you think of all the chaos and improper painting on these?

[toxic ocean]

Left one looks a bit more appealing because of the good contrast of the gold and relative similarity between the noise colours. The right one is... I'm sorry, it's not that good.

[small breach]

ik that, that's why i ask you for help

[toxic ocean]

Great shape, bad paint.

[toxic ocean]

You're so weird, Nuki, you very inconsistently make both very good and very... not good, paints.

[small breach]

yeah but like, this ship is the most inconsistent shit ever

[lament skiff]

When you’re pushing the envelope you’re bound to miss sometimes

[small breach]

i took a nap and half a year between painting sessions on it, like i straight up forgot what i wanted to do with it

i'm going to try to rework the entire paint to be more akin to the center one

[tired vapor]

\👍

[lament skiff]

Guh

[bronze citrus]

the elephant explodes violently 👍

[small breach]

lol

[tired vapor]

(it is genuinely the worst mark in the game rn)

[small breach]

phase weave time

[tired vapor]

azutec??

[small breach]

indeed

[tired vapor]

an @onyx pecan reference??

[small breach]

yes

[lament skiff]

did azu died

havent seen him in months

[small breach]

no azu doesn't die

but anyways hopefully i can make an azu ship that is really good so that azu can finally be in the game

i'll rename this to railfans and concrete

instead of railfans and cocain or zombies and cocain

both of which are too obvious of a reference

and then again, railfans like smoking concrete

so it makes sense

[tired vapor]

how is ai using that

[lament skiff]

Checks out

[small breach]

nukes for big ship, and rails for swarm control

(it doesn't)

i don't do the combat testing till i have to (when it wins community votes)

hm it almost worked perfectly

except ai fans

which i never intended

i always knew ai tries to fire all of its weapons but come on, not this time

[tired vapor]

you need to not have a set angle for it to do that

like you can't tell it how to approach

[small breach]

i'm going to try to make it kite or something

and make one of the nukes mines, maybe add a back large shield

it dies too quickly

time to duct tape a block of concrete to the front

[lament skiff]

i concur

[small breach]

the concrete crown

[lament skiff]

epic ngl

[small breach]

it helped alot but the shields are still a major weakpoint

[bronze citrus]

its good for career ships to have weakpoints

[small breach]

well not like this

it has a weakpoint it's just that one of them is bigger and takes up everything

like in 3 seconds the reactor dies

you can still attack the rails and cut off all of its firepower

[lament skiff]

@tired vapor can you help me make this not flicker without removing any thrusters

[small breach]

should the crown be spiky or nah?

[lament skiff]

is it actually supposd to be concrete

[small breach]

yeah that's why it's grey

[lament skiff]

i say no then

[small breach]

green stuff is the zombie thingy that spreads on it

[lament skiff]

concrete no spiky it blocky

[small breach]

sure thing

hm the armor blocks have a funky pattern on them

checkerboard when i zoom out

[lament skiff]

[small breach]

good enough combat wise for me

not ideal but whatever

done again ig

[bronze citrus]

ls coverage?????

[small breach]

protects the rails

that's all it needs to do

[bronze citrus]

does it though? theres a pretty huge hole that leads like a direct line to the rails

[small breach]

also hm it kinda looks like eviscerator

[bronze citrus]

ig it protects it from flankers which is the point of the rails themselves

[small breach]

it does against ai

against people it's an intended weakness™️

[lament skiff]

i wa trying to go for a shiny gold look on this but i cant figure it out since the yellow and yellow highlight are the top two layers so i can't use fades

[tired vapor]

specialized reactor for mrt :despair:

[lament skiff]

wdym despair

all the thrust combined should use around 10 power so its not like theres a lot going to waste

11 maybe even

[small breach]

it looked like shinyness from afar

[tired vapor]

that is like fueling an er of ht from 16 walkway away

[small breach]

ithink you'll have to rework for top layer black if you want to do fades better

[lament skiff]

i can do fades when I’m using regular triangles and squares but this part is supposed to look flowy

[tired vapor]

pretty sure this one is close https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546947839008440330/1261784587521101995/recondite.ship.png?ex=66b09038&is=66af3eb8&hm=041b888bda0e4bbe3a02e11a8f96e1ba60f6cdbe354473cddf22009d66763a2d&

[lament skiff]

with the design of the ship theres nothing else in the area to power anyways

[tired vapor]

not full thrust though

[lament skiff]

third design is the closest thing to what I want

[tired vapor]

why not use mr module

[lament skiff]

which one

oh

not cost efficient enough

switching from 4 mr to 1 lr is a lot of money saved

[tired vapor]

it would be easier to save costs elsewhere

[lament skiff]

Do you see a way to save ~200k on that third design

[tired vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059084974655033415/1269665966321565727/ttt3.ship.png?ex=66b0e413&is=66af9293&hm=9a1c6156a2752256d1873abf2d98563474e4431d890d090bde178bac27611fbb&

i can try

ur chainguns will shoot worse though

[lament skiff]

the design as a whole doesnt work cause the bottom 2 cg dont fire properly

But i can reorganize them

im just trying to find various ways to do things so i can hopefully fit everything under 2m

8 cg (2 of which on the sides), 8 nukes, 4 emp, at least good enough flak/pd, 100+ speed

[tired vapor]

do some combat tests for the armor too - against ai, against human piloting wall, rammer, missile barge, missile orbiter (4 mainish damage distributions)

i think u can cut down on a lot of the armor

[median patio]

we going for loooong chainguns

[lament skiff]

i might also remove 2 of the cg and make the 4 remaining high reload speed versions

[tired vapor]

mine is so small D:

[median patio]

i sadly dont think i cant fit wings on this ship comfortably

[tired vapor]

you can certainly save cost on the ions and chaingun

[lament skiff]

ions?

[median patio]

looooooooooongs

actually no
no long

[bronze citrus]

ai kinda bad at using them yeah

[median patio]

eh

not worth a paintjob

exposed ions plus no reverse

and no armor

even a 700k ai ship can beat it

[bronze citrus]

you could solve both issues pretty easily, is it that close to 2mil?

[bronze citrus]

which ship do i axe

probably between the tb kite or nuke barge

i really like both though. it might end up having to be the cg rammer

[tired vapor]

love thr baby cannon

[bronze citrus]

yeah the baby cannon is staying

[inner basalt]

OK！How do you think of it!

[lament skiff]

it was cool

[inner basalt]

Thanks!

[tired vapor]

very shiny

[lament skiff]

hmmm

[tired vapor]

looks nice

[lament skiff]

are you trying to go for an aquatic look?

[inner basalt]

True

[tired vapor]

i think the shape of the ion core's structure should be symmetrical

[lament skiff]

i think it looks pretty good but architects might think its too close to cabal? idk i would ask saris at least

[tired vapor]

i think it's distinct - shinier and different color and less big curves

[inner basalt]

Well...Your're right.But how?

[inner basalt]

OK I'll ask

[bronze citrus]

its def gotta be distinct enough

[lament skiff]

just ping him here

Doesn’t hurt to ask anyways

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inner basalt]

@mortal cave Will its too close to cabal?

[mortal cave]

I would say probably

[inner basalt]

=n= OK Got it

Well,let's just send it to a daily boatload... Waste reuse lol

Should I change the light in the middle to red? Or just remove the lights

[lament skiff]

i like the way it looks now

the blue lights make the prisms look like bubbles

[inner basalt]

True.Thanks!

[lament skiff]

[bronze citrus]

im gonna axe the bigboy cg rammer, it kinda sucks anyways

rip

[median patio]

It's barely above 2 mil

[bronze citrus]

rip

[inner basalt]

If I changed the pipe to something like this with a 3d feel, it wouldn't be considered as cabal style I think

[small breach]

so cute

i like it

[bronze citrus]

im a big fan, but this style is probably too cabal-y

it has hard lines and angles everywhere unlike cabal, but everything else is, well, still cabal

[inner basalt]

The main thing that's strange to me is... How to define it's cabal?Using gradients?

[mortal cave]

Adding texture to your colorful ships will typically help distinguish as the Cabal is almost always pristine

[bronze citrus]

this might be... far enough? the color scheme is different too

hm

what defines cabal

[inner basalt]

Texture?

[mortal cave]

Asymmetry, curves and spheres, pristine and highly colorful paint, and to a lesser extent gradients

[bronze citrus]

alright, im gonna go with this then, it only fills 1 of 5 criteria which i dont think you can get much better than

[inner basalt]

You mean cabal?

[mortal cave]

2/6 technically as the paint is completely pristine, but yeah it should be good

Yes

[bronze citrus]

true

[inner basalt]

=q=

Can I figure out how to modify it so it doesn't look like cabal...I just try 3d feeling pipe...But it doesn't make sense in terms of light and shadow

[bronze citrus]

maybe change the color scheme for one, its one that cabal already uses i think

actually, they really dont use that color scheme anymore

[inner basalt]

No..cabal don't use it I think...And I don't think the color is the point

[bronze citrus]

i think older cabal ships used to use it, but this one's the only one left, and is also different enough

probably dont change the color then

[inner basalt]

=q=

[bronze citrus]

i think if you could somehow figure out an alternative to the gigafade it wouldnt look like cabal

but thats easier said than done

[inner basalt]

Mainly, it would take the ship out of the theme, and if the architect used a new color scheme to paint the cabal, we would say, isn't that a cabal?

[bronze citrus]

well

thats not an issue i think you should be worrying about really

the new color scheme part

as for the theme, idk. i think you could very much find an alternative to gigafade to detail and i think that would be the easiest way to differentiate from cabal

[inner basalt]

=q=let me think...

[bronze citrus]

i might ditch the tb missile kite too... its a strong ship but its not really fun to fight at all and silouhette-wise looks terrible. i like how this style lends itself to diags so i might make a diag something instead

diag underrepresentation is a very serious issue

[bronze citrus]

a few ideas:

• single fade, no gigafade (though cabal kinda alr does this)
• block fade instead of with actual fades (using three quarter, half, and one quarter blocks to make a kinda glitchy effect "fade"
• outlines with half blocks

[inner basalt]

gigafade?What's that mean

[bronze citrus]

actually its not the right term for it

just the style where u have a bunch of fades right after another in a straight line

[inner basalt]

Oh got it

Thanks for your suggestions!

[bronze citrus]

some alternatives to cabal-style gigafade

the leftmost is an example of gigafade

none of these look particularly great on their own but they work decently in actual ships usually

my least fave is the blocky one

i think the right is my most favorite, it looks pretty unique and cool in actual ships and its a lot more flexible with angles/curves than fades

[inner basalt]

True Love it

Thanks for your idea!Very good and useful!

[flint abyss]

the "gigafades" are really pretty on ships but my brain doesn't allow me to do it XD

[inner basalt]

Will it still looks like cabal now? @mortal cave

[desert trail]

progress

origanaly i was calling it clusterflack, but i think im going to rename it to Whirling shards of the fractured mind

or just Whirling shards

aparintly the other name is a bit too long

[mortal cave]

You can bypass name character limits by going to your ships file and modifying the names iirc. But Whirling Shard is cool

[bronze citrus]

beautiful. i think this is an improvement even regardless of being less similar to cabal

[inner basalt]

True

Also thanks!

[spring haven]

@desert trail Whirling Shards lacks hyperdrives

[desert trail]

good thing i have some surplus budget

[desert trail]

fixed

the efisincy is at 27% witch pains me but its just bearly enugh to work

[desert trail]

annnnnd, i just realised i forgot to do the power for the hyperdrive....

https://tenor.com/view/cali007-gif-9067272

fix...ed......yay.......

guess the next thing to do is make a 1m ship..... probibly...

[lament skiff]

Nice ships!!

[deep jacinth]

Excuse me, recently I learn there is a design contest happening, which I want to submit my work. But I'm new to the discord and not know the rule, where is the proper place to submit my work, also is there a rule I need to check? Thank you!

[bronze citrus]

2/3

[bronze citrus]

rule document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ep6TRsDYrTVpjDcW5NOMzdUTituBYIbEs9rwQtQT5Og/edit?usp=sharing
submissions are in the design contest submission thread. all design contests use that thread, they dont make a new one every time

good luck!

[bronze citrus]

bit wordy for sure

[deep jacinth]

Thank you very much!

[inner basalt]

Ops!!!!

I forget this!

[lament skiff]

It’s funny cause I don’t build pvp ships I only do builtins which means every ship I make has hyperdrives but I still somehow forget it 80% of the time

[inner basalt]

lol

[elfin venture]

considering using this design for my 3rd submission

[toxic ocean]

Pretty simplistic I'd say, not a fanof the PD wall structure with those extrusions but the structure bits are cool

.

[desert trail]

looks prity cool so far

[tired vapor]

why is the left 321 backwards D: i thought it was going to say e6 lol

[small breach]

should i do the funny and submit a tbrail? i just made one that probably follows all the rules except the sensor and backthrust so it wouldn't be hard to mod it for those rq

[tired vapor]

how is ai going to use that

[small breach]

wizardry

i'll make it use it somehow

or not

ai uses vanilla railfans better apparently

[lament skiff]

if you dont have them set to target only they can just spray lead

[small breach]

i had everything set to fire at target

i think ai targets part as soon as it starts fighting anyways

it's just that ai doesn't know how to use tb

[lament skiff]

Yes but if the part isnt in its line of fire it won’t fire which is why ai cant really use railfans

[small breach]

from my experience the ai actually rotates to fire its railguns

it won't fan but it should fire all the rails

[spring haven]

Second ship's hull is done.

[bronze citrus]

last dc ship

wish ai could actually use cg

but its a funny layout

[lament skiff]

wdy’m’?

[bronze citrus]

ai bad at using cg

if they lose target it loses all rampup

[toxic ocean]

I wonder if a pseudo CG rammer could work for AI

Also AI is bad at using MRT because it cannot feather.

[tired vapor]

ai is bad at most thrust because it cannot feather

[lament skiff]

who needs to feather just hold w

[tired vapor]

true

[wispy vigil]

who needs to hold w just select the ship and click the enemy

[bronze citrus]

it works ok for rammers but useless in any other ai archetype

[toxic ocean]

To be fair mrt is useless in most other things anyways.

[bronze citrus]

??

orbiter, ul

[toxic ocean]

MRT kite doesn't work because kites rely on relatively quickly ramping up and down.

[lament skiff]

ai can orbit with mrt good enough

[toxic ocean]

Good point I guess, it's the ''HOLD W'' archetypes though, that's what I meant.

[bronze citrus]

yea

[lament skiff]

🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

Fuk

Forgor hyperdr

[tired vapor]

interesting

[spring haven]

More paint progress.

[lament skiff]

Looking good so far!!!

[bronze citrus]

gonna have to go back and repolish their paint but i like these dudes

fighting diag underrepresentation in career mode (ignoring imper)

[lament skiff]

i like all of them especially the newest one

[bronze citrus]

big fan of the biggest one yea

its an unusually inspired layout for me, most of my ship layouts are formulaic to a fault

[lament skiff]

although i would recommend to change the middle one to a different archetype, i dunno if architects want two ships so similar in appearance and function

[bronze citrus]

theyre at a very different price range and the way to fight them are different, so i think its fine, but ill keep that in mind

[lament skiff]

up to u at end of the day

although this is a 'ship drive' so i think it is important

[bronze citrus]

how so?

i mean obviously its different but factions have a lot of the design trope of "same line of ships at various cost ranges"

[lament skiff]

well the goal is to add independents into the game, I would think they would want them all to feel unique

[bronze citrus]

ill keep that in mind ig tho i dont think itll be an issue

i gotta think of names now

[lament skiff]

they feel like a personification of steel to me, so i am thinking of names related to steel or steelworking

[bronze citrus]

mhm, i already have the lore down and they are very steel-y. basically a no-nonsense mercenary group

[lament skiff]

could name one of the bigger ones Blast Furnace

sounds scawy and is a steel smelting technique

also melting steel just fits nuke spam in my mind

[bronze citrus]

thats definitely along the lines, but their ships are intended to very much be cold and dispassionate in a way, and blast furnace kinda brings the concept of heat/fire to mind which is a bit opposite

[lament skiff]

i see

[green mist]

I kinda forgot about this. oops

[toxic ocean]

That's so fucking cool, I love it.

GREEEEEECE

My favourite

[toxic ocean]

You'll be glad to know one of my entries will be a diag.

---

Always so happy seeing architectural elements in Cosmoteer builds by the way.

[slow axle]

Trying to up reflection to the rule-set of this contest... Horns are not recommended because they are bad for AI... Decent maneuverability... The rest is basically already checked

I-I maybe overdid the front? May just be my minimalist mind speaking but I feel like the huge structure kinda shadow the stars and white outline

[toxic ocean]

:>

[lament skiff]

[desert trail]

the part at the front looks like one of those buged out eyes faces that cats make sometimes, very good

https://tenor.com/view/derp-cat-black-cat-eyes-wide-open-gif-15617303

its very good

[lament skiff]

Slunk

[desert trail]

thats a realy big slug

[bronze citrus]

very unique, though im a bit worried about actual flags of countries in cosmoteer

which is better, red lights or just white?

would appreciate some opinions

im split

[mortal cave]

Red is inherently more interesting

[bronze citrus]

im very split tbh

it looks a lot less shiny

[mortal cave]

I'm inclined to agree. I could ask Walt about it but its probably just better to leave it out, if you're not particularly upset about the idea, Concrete

[bronze citrus]

not to mention the greek flag specifically is a very... polarizing topic for some people

[lament skiff]

I’m probably not gonna submit regardless but yeah taking out the flag is dz

ez

[spring haven]

Paint's finished. I've decided to call it Sleipnir.

[lament skiff]

is it an orbiter?

[spring haven]

Yeah

[lament skiff]

Ive never seen cannons on the front of an orbiter

[spring haven]

The idea is it'll shoot into exposed sides/rears

[bronze citrus]

? well ig it depends on what you call an orbiter, but its not unheard of in general

if anything its more of an ul design choice, but uls are pretty much faster and lighter orbiters at their core

[lament skiff]

the design seems fine but the paint is cool

reminds me of Starry Night

[slow axle]

Hihihi that not intentional

The intended face on this ship is near the bottom next to the thrust

[small breach]

found it

[raven isle]

i dont think ill try lol, i cant get a good working idea

my first 3 failedd

and yet look at everyone here

[elfin venture]

The thing you don't know is that everyone here also had multiple failures

I know Concrete has had at least 3 ships they weren't happy with

[raven isle]

oh

guess im just slow then lmao

[elfin venture]

these two clusterfucks were previous failed attempts

[elfin venture]

plenty of time, dw

[raven isle]

what the

[elfin venture]

1st one was an omniweapon attempt that did not go well

[raven isle]

my first was a DC chain orbiter: thrust issue lead to fail

second was a unqiue DC ramer- failed

then a weird ass asym thing which failedd

pain

[elfin venture]

2nd one was based off of an idea i had for Fringe: a large reactor sticking out inside a very LS shielded barrel to taunt you with

two other failed designs

[raven isle]

PD WALL

LMAO

[elfin venture]

while the paint one is nice and all, it looks like pretty generic bright sculpting + not a fan of the shape and paint

[elfin venture]

I then redid the idea as this design which I plan to use

[raven isle]

P D W A L L .

goofy af

[elfin venture]

it's basically just a PD wall with a single HE fac module to let it pose a threat (and to kite really slow ships)

now that i think about it basically all my DC ships have used weird defenses

and been defensively oriented

Overseer with lots of shields and TBs + a small amour head and 2 flak, but only 3 nukes and a single CG for 1mil

the Collection which is subpar both offensively and defensively but can split and flank to keep up offense

and now this thing

[elfin venture]

it initially had numbers mirrored across the centre but i changed it to meaningless symbols that i thought looked better instead

also because multiple people read it as "e621"

[toxic ocean]

What's wrong with it though? If it was politically sensitive then sure, but it's ancient pillars and stuff.

[toxic ocean]

Odin's pet horsie.

[slow axle]

24 of august is still less time than usual and I usually submit in the last week

https://tenor.com/view/cool-cats-blue-cat-sweat-nervous-sweating-gif-9805470240241642171

[vernal lance]

man if only I hadn't wrung out my creative juices

[toxic ocean]

I can refill you if you wish :>

[toxic ocean]

You're saying that you DON'T submit at the last hour?

[slow axle]

Unfortunately I value my mental health

[toxic ocean]

Can't relate 😔

[median patio]

this thing is struggling on thrust and shielding

is it time for a complementary cockpit?

[median patio]

hitscan barrel

[toxic ocean]

Where's my buddy ol' pal flak?

[median patio]

vacation

[small breach]

only 3?

i only had 1 success and i grabbed a way older ship inspired by starsector, the rest are all failures, even when i tried to make them work they still kinda suck

also andrea you don't have to compete you just have to have a good ship, since in this contest everyone has unlimited votes

[toxic ocean]

Out of the one trillion ships you make a day we only see 1-5

That's not a good success rate.

[small breach]

yeah but like taht only applies toaesthetic ships

i posted every single pvp ship i have atleast once

[toxic ocean]

Including the worst ones right?

[small breach]

all of them

[toxic ocean]

Because if you do have standards and don't ever show some of your ships that are way too silly for this world to be shown...

Then we are all doomed and the existence of this universe is dependant upon your greater will to keep it standing.

GOSH, don't you just love it when you lose internet and your message is over 10 minutes late.

[small breach]

relatable

also order recived i will now go build the wackiest shit known to man kind and post it in ideas so that maybe i start a new trend for a day or two just like i did with 5er and 7er tbrails

[inner basalt]

Change the colour and reduce the brightness of the light to make it look a little more comfortable

To be honest, red is a little eye-catching with blue, plus it is very bright, resulting in no focus

[tired vapor]

i think i liked red more

but it is ur ship

[inner basalt]

=o=

I want to wait and see what people think....if every one think red is better

Okay I won't change it

[lament skiff]

i like it either way

maybe put it right in the middle

[inner basalt]

I don't know if I can submit different versions of a ship, but I don't think that's allowed

[lament skiff]

nope

i meant like change the color to be right between the two options

[inner basalt]

Oh got it

Let me try....

[lament skiff]

i liked the red because it reminded me of the deep ocean, the pink looks like a cartoony version of the ocean to me, which i like less but i agree that the red reduces the focus so thats why i like both

[slow axle]

I like your hull!!! I doesn't really like the absurd amount of light but I guess it might have success with other peoples

[inner basalt]

Mainly to catch everyone's eye lol

Thanks!

Hard to say which is better

[lament skiff]

i like the middle option more than the top but i think red is still my favorite

[inner basalt]

=q=

Hard to decide now

[lament skiff]

https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MHWI-Namielle-Arch.jpg

it kinda reminds me of namielle

[inner basalt]

What's this

[lament skiff]

a monster from monster hunter

it’s like a deep sea themed dragon

[inner basalt]

Oh got it

[lament skiff]

ultimately i think it will look good no matter which you do

[inner basalt]

Yes true

I just decided purple with the dice

[lament skiff]

nice lol

[inner basalt]

Good. I just decided, and later roseship told me that orange might be good

Whatever, just purple

[lament skiff]

orange seems a bit off to me personally lol

[inner basalt]

Also think so,her reason is better with emp and thruster

She just try and also think that not good as she think

[tired vapor]

yellow is not good D:

[inner basalt]

How do you think?

(There should be some changes, so it is not the final version lol)

[tired vapor]

wowwww

very nice

looks a bit like fringe though :(

[inner basalt]

Indeed....tbh I've only been playing this game for 3 months and I still can't quite create my own style....

[lament skiff]

You could definitely make it not fringy with a color swap

Unfortunately right now it is very fringy

[tired vapor]

i think it's pretty distinct

the "gears" are more like shurikens

[inner basalt]

Sadly QAQ

[lament skiff]

the ship is very good but yeah it is pretty close to shredder

or a larger sprocket

i think if you changed the color scheme you can make it distinct enoug tho

[inner basalt]

The gear part did borrow from it,just make some small changes

The main body is actually referer from cabal and add something I want

[lament skiff]

currently your green is pretty similar to a lot of fringes, maybe use brighter or bolder colors and less texture so it looks shiny as opposed to the more rustic fringe

[inner basalt]

Have tried

Not very good tbh

Well, if there's nothing I can do, I'll just recyle it by send it to sotd lol

[lament skiff]

i mean if you want to send it you should ask saris

[inner basalt]

Yes true

[lament skiff]

i think saris will say the same thing but you never know

[inner basalt]

I feel guilty about trouble him every time sometimes lol

[inner basalt]

Yes

[lament skiff]

he said feel free to ping him with questions here in the announcement post

[inner basalt]

@mortal cave Sorry to trouble you,does this ship conform to the rules?#1059084974655033415 message

[inner basalt]

You're right.I've always been a little too polite lol

[lament skiff]

that's a good thing

[flint abyss]

well, you can submit, but don't expect the architects to agree with it XD

[lament skiff]

better to be too polite than not enough

[inner basalt]

Sadly lol

[mortal cave]

The cogs are unfortunately a fringe aesthetic, I'm not sure how you would safely put them on an independent ship. You can submit it but it likely wouldn't be accepted.

[inner basalt]

Got it Thanks!

[tired vapor]

turn them into

[inner basalt]

=q=But that misses the theme

[tired vapor]

you need to make them more distinct though

make them sharper

[inner basalt]

I think I just need to make anther ship now lol

[tired vapor]

more angular

[inner basalt]

True

[elfin venture]

Holy shit that looks amazing

really nice looking appearance that fits an independent well

like it's not trying to look good, and is instead trying to just be effective (backed up by the rear being composed basically entirely of weaponry with almost no aesthetic shaping
but looks sick anyways

[lament skiff]

haha thank you im glad cause that was partially the point

i tried to make it look like a ship that isn't trying to intimidate or threaten you, it just will kill you

[elfin venture]

you succeeded

it looks a lot like how i'd build and paint a career ship honestly

no funny designs just whatever's effective
armour shaped pretty neutrally with 1x2s for polish and slightly thicker over the reactors
neutral paints, and long lines

tl;dr ship gud

[lament skiff]

thank u im so glad it turned out well lol

[elfin venture]

wait why is it called balam's dream im curious

who is balam and why do they have a dream

that one day,

[lament skiff]

well

Balam was a demon in the bible, and I was looking it up I guess it and many other demons were just removed from the Bible over the centuries, so now it is no longer in the Bible but is still found in Demonology books

Balam is essentially just a very strong general of a legion of demons due to its ability to see the past, present and future

[elfin venture]

ah nice

tbh with a ship like that, which looks very neutral imo, almost any naming style could work

[lament skiff]

and there was a song lyric I heard recently that I liked
||War dreams of itself||

[elfin venture]

That is a good lyric

[lament skiff]

and I just happened to learn about Balam around the time I heard it

[elfin venture]

i've inserted lyrics into at least one ship of mine in the past and i plan to keep doing it

[lament skiff]

so since Balam is basically a mythological master of war, I called it Balam's Dream

[elfin venture]

fitting

[lament skiff]

in my mind, the lyric means that war is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and by fighting in war we are causing more wars in the future

So the lore for the ship is that the captain simply loves war, and kills for the purpose of creating more violence and cycles of revenge

[elfin venture]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-desperado-winds-ofdestruction-sundowner-grin-gif-18169825

[lament skiff]

lmao yes

[grizzled sequoia]

No sensor ?

[lament skiff]

[lament skiff]

le fixed

[bronze citrus]

AAAAugh the cgs

it looks great though

very scary

[bronze citrus]

ive got news for you...

[toxic ocean]

Corinthian Order is politically offensive towards the nations that don't have pretty architecture 😔

[toxic ocean]

Very robotic I like it.

[tired vapor]

i keep upvoting everything thinking it's #sotd-submissions :(

[flint abyss]

ahah
now what i have left to do it make a nex big ship and paint it

called accursed because of the DC setup

[desert trail]

-# psst, remember to submit / start working on, your ships if you haven't already. or i will spend 2 years looking for your location to smack you with a baking tray

that being said, i have no ideas for my 3rd ship.....

[small breach]

i do i just have no idea how to paint them

feels like this tournament all my motivation evaporated

[median patio]

I have a paint theme ready
Just no ship

[lament skiff]

I feel

[small breach]

i've got the themes, terrible ships to apply them to, just no motivation to do anything anymore and i'm out of ideas for the rot on railfans and concrete

[toxic ocean]

If you think you can beat me in a baking tool duel, then you'd be gravely mistaken. You don't want to feel the wrath of my dough flattener

Good point though.

By the way remind me how to do the tiny text again?

[past bramble]

Which one

like this?
-# ⓘ This user is under investigation by the police due to kidnapping and attempted murder. • More About

[desert trail]

[past bramble]

-# tiny text

[desert trail]

-#

then text after it

-# like so

[lament skiff]

-#bingus

guh

[toxic ocean]

Yeah that.

[desert trail]

space lol

[lament skiff]

-# bingus

[toxic ocean]

Ah thanks, I remembered _#

-# in a hole?

[lament skiff]

-# ||bingus||

[past bramble]

-# dingus

[desert trail]

-# multi font thingus
-# (edited)

[toxic ocean]

-# h

Okay let's get back to topic.

[misty lark]

Whens the next design contest

[tired vapor]

now

[median patio]

i have ideas that wont conform to any ship

[lament skiff]

guh

[median patio]

ram cg perhapskis?

[lament skiff]

agree

[median patio]

hm?

nvm

[tired vapor]

almost looks good

[median patio]

i got a better idea i think

you think this looks like fringe too much?

[lament skiff]

mmm

i could see arguments for yes or no

personally i would say no

also it's probably my favorite ship of yours

[median patio]

its been one of my favourites for a while

[desert trail]

that looks realy cool

[median patio]

the paint in the middle is just so clean

cleanup

and reverse

...and i forgot hyperdrives

[lament skiff]

Yeeep

[tired vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/be-a-star-star-star-jump-fitness-piccah-gif-17808641

[median patio]

all 3

[tired vapor]

you need to include the .ship

[median patio]

shoot

[lament skiff]

yes glory shit is optional

[median patio]

now i forget about the game for 2 months

[lament skiff]

[desert trail]

i think ive finaly figlured out what to do as 3rd ship

combine harvister with mines

basicly

[lament skiff]

i present Neon Hyper Overdrive

anything before i submit

does this game have an epilepsy warning anywhere

[tired vapor]

niceeee

i'd try making the lights different colors than the paint

[lament skiff]

what colors

[tired vapor]

the paint that they're on

[lament skiff]

mmm i dont think hue shift really applies here

[lament skiff]

this was a serious question btw i dont wanna submit this if it will actually be a danger

i dont remember seeing one

but also idk if this would cause epilepsy

[tired vapor]

the options to override paint are gone :(

[late zenith]

2/3 (possibly)

[spring haven]

I don't think so but I'd make a version with slightly more muted colors just in case.

[lament skiff]

neon pastel underdrive

[tired vapor]

no migraine??

still a bit bright actually

[bronze citrus]

no that isnt what causes epilepsy anyways

[elfin venture]

thoughts?

[slow axle]

Nice!

[elfin venture]

this has the same name as my smallest submission from the previous design contest lmao

[slow axle]

I thought you did not wanted to go with sculpting though

[elfin venture]

it is not sculpted?

its shadowed

[slow axle]

I haven't a clue of what you all are talking 'bout if dats the case

[toxic ocean]

Yes. The epilepsy warning is an instant kick and ban you get when you use cancer paint in MP

[elfin venture]

sculpted is when layer 2 is dark, or at least that's what i was referring to when i said i didn't want to do sculpting

this ship's darkest layer is layer 3, and the second darkest layer is the base paint

[slow axle]

What if the layer 1 or background is black

[elfin venture]

also just realised i missed a single fade in a spot fml

[toxic ocean]

HMMMM I still haven't started on my ships, I have the theme in mind but once again I'm afraid of being overbudget and all.

My themed ships are pretty ambitious and most of the time cost more than 2mil, and that's resources EXCLUDED

[elfin venture]

basepaint is black = layer 0 black or shadowless (i think nuki also calls it "masking"), the terminology isn't very conclusive atm
i do not think there is a name for layer 1 black probably because you don't get a lot doing that and no built-ins do it

[slow axle]

I hate this terminology thingy from the deepest of my soul

[elfin venture]

i have too many different ships i could submit

which two?

[toxic ocean]

Come up with a better one, then. Paint has no terminology we're doing our best.

[toxic ocean]

I'd say right one but I love bottom left ship.

[elfin venture]

I made it for the design contest so, well, ig i succeeded

[elfin venture]

wait, which right one? top one or bottom one?

[toxic ocean]

Oh I thought you ordered it in a left and right column.