design contest chat

[elfin venture]

i swear why do assignment lines always look different in someone else's screenshot

[toxic ocean]

Absolutely starting from scratch, I'm not here to win, I'm here to design zany shippos.

[elfin venture]

oh its an interesting design alright
what's with the rectangular hole in the armour?

[tired vapor]

idk

[toxic ocean]

I have such a funny idea for that by the way.

[tired vapor]

what do they look like for you

[elfin venture]

the weird thing is i can't remember

i think they're a tad thicker? i'm not sure

all i know is that when i see other people's assignment lines they look wrong

[tired vapor]

just load it in and press c lol

i've got a few graphical mods

[raven isle]

can we only submit one?
I assume yes but im checking

[elfin venture]

if by one you mean three then yes you can submit one ship

[raven isle]

lmao

so i can submit 3

ill prob only get one done

[elfin venture]

if by 3 you mean 3 then yes you can submit 3

[ashen widget]

Are you running this one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2940984845?

[raven isle]

to think last time i did this was ladikerfos...

[elfin venture]

and the last time I did this was ruination

[toxic ocean]

I would gladly use my amethyst ship (still unfinished ;-;) for this DC but its slightly over 2mil and resource prices counting would make optimization agonizing.

I think it's still coming along nicely though, working on it super slowly.

[elfin venture]

jesus christ that is a lot of thrust

[raven isle]

such a long time ago....

[vernal lance]

yay I have an incentive to play the game now

[toxic ocean]

Phast boi

[raven isle]

went from that to this

[toxic ocean]

Took you long enough

[tired vapor]

yeah i think, by polar

[raven isle]

jesus, thats very good ship on the right

i tried making a orbiter but failedd again

[elfin venture]

well i made it about an hour ago so

[raven isle]

seems i can only make small ones

[tired vapor]

*air optimization ad here*

[elfin venture]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14jpLIvPhMdveR54r7RyFEGt7ZeLyk6r-SKwJ__oAye0/edit?usp=sharing

idk if that works but concrete made an autorbit guide

[raven isle]

no not that

the ship its self

i cant make larger ones well

[elfin venture]

well a) don't do what i did with overseer and use 6 TBs lmao

either wall or morbiter really

[raven isle]

i mean this one semi workedd

but was too slow

[elfin venture]

a lot of recent design contest winners - sprinkle of stars, x-calibur, raijin were walls

and the built-ins have plenty of morbiters

[vernal lance]

playing the game is getting incredibly boring ok

[elfin venture]

you're basically building a wall or morbiter so try doing that

just make sure it can fire diagonally

[vernal lance]

can't even do the ADHD thing of using 2 devices

[raven isle]

well ima try a new idea for this contest

[elfin venture]

burnout?

[elfin venture]

overseer is like the 2nd largers orbiter i ever did, the largest one was gyroscope

[vernal lance]

maybe

[toxic ocean]

Do you, YES YOU, want your ship to be mangled into an irrecognizable me-

[elfin venture]

and its the 1st one i set up the orbit myself instead of taking from a ship file

[raven isle]

also how much should a 3 factory dc set up ise...

i know 2 usess 18-ish

[elfin venture]

i tend to use 3fac with 18 loaders

[raven isle]

so it is hwat i thought

nice

[vernal lance]

I feel as though some certain someone will revive from death and take 1st place

[elfin venture]

plaus maybe

at least we know immaterium is out of the picture

[raven isle]

i feel this user above has a high chance

[elfin venture]

downside being that now immaterium is grading you

[raven isle]

as rednax is always being complimented by saris i swear

[vernal lance]

no not him

[elfin venture]

saris is only one architect out of... what... 7? hold on 0neye, vilda, door, immaterium, saris, hatter, why do i feel like i'm missing someone

[elfin venture]

why

[vernal lance]

someone else

[elfin venture]

nick will revive from dimensional wormhole that keeps teleporting him forward to 5 minutes after the deadline

[vernal lance]

pyr?

[elfin venture]

pyr like stopped existing so

[vernal lance]

someone else

[elfin venture]

immaterium will stop being an architect just to beat all of us

[vernal lance]

lmao

but no not immtrm

[elfin venture]

Meekoz will say "it's meekozing time" and meekoz all over the place

[vernal lance]

there you go

[elfin venture]

tbh that is pretty threatening

[vernal lance]

what if instead of freaky it was meekoz and it started to get meekoz

[elfin venture]

never say that again

other people to consider showing up are ctrl and greenschicken

[small breach]

this is starting to look like a ctrl ship

hmmmmmmmm

[elfin venture]

funky

[tired vapor]

i am specifically not making major design changes as per the rules

[small breach]

don't ask aout the logistics

i have no idea how it works or whether it works but i don't care also

[tired vapor]

@mortal cave do i need to turn off graphical mods for thr glory shot? (bigger missile lights and crew retexture)

[elfin venture]

minor update to overseer again: got rid of the reactor lights cus they were cringe

[tired vapor]

like monolith and imperium had a baby

the paint scheme

very nice

[elfin venture]

the paint scheme is actually shadowed lmao

[small breach]

hm it is

well that's the monolith part of it

[elfin venture]

that and the colours and TBs

imperium is the 2 greys and a colour

fringe is because this is an asymmetric ship based entirely off of an idiotic idea

and cabal because the ship's paint is mostly lines

[tired vapor]

it's very bricky and has the imperiumy veins i think

that is why i thought what i though

thought

[elfin venture]

yea i see where you're coming from

[small breach]

anyways i finally started using masking for shading

[elfin venture]

oooh

[small breach]

i'm going to make every other ship hunt this one

lore wise atleast

because monolith pays well

[elfin venture]

clearly you gotta test it against all the other ships then

[small breach]

no

testing is the last thing i'll ever do in my life

[elfin venture]

L

its fun watching your artwork fight

[small breach]

i do that in pvp enough already

[elfin venture]

you use all your railfans in pvp?

[small breach]

yep

where else would i use them? it's not like we have bounty hunter in modern

[elfin venture]

for testing lmao

when i make a ship, i build it, test it, paint it, name and description, and then usually test it again against things like design contest winners, my own ships i didn't test, steam workshop ships etc

[small breach]

ye

[elfin venture]

though the last step is optional

[small breach]

i don't think whether it'll work or not i just use it and see if it does

[elfin venture]

besides it's kinda hard to use this in a pvp match

[small breach]

also funny thing, this was inspired somewhat by mass driver

[elfin venture]

• timezones means even less pvp matches available because all the americans are asleep

[small breach]

with the whole 2 16accel railguns thing

[small breach]

well the good players are always there

[vernal lance]

what purpose do those tbs serve

[elfin venture]

primarily, puns
secondarily, keeping the enemy ship at appropriate distance

[small breach]

also another thing is i never make ships good enough to win against built ins

all my ships suck against builtins especially on ai

[elfin venture]

that is the downside of railgs

[small breach]

even when i don't use railguns

[vernal lance]

does your ship fare horrendously without those tractor beams...?

[elfin venture]

good question, probably

[vernal lance]

tb scales with distance and I feel like the distance you'd normally be at would be having the tbs at an extremely low power

[elfin venture]

it keeps the enemy just within CG range

[vernal lance]

unrelated but have you experienced cosmoteer burnout

[elfin venture]

also, far more often they are important because they're keeping enemies away, not because they're keeping kiters close

whenever the ship gets too close to another the TBs all increase in power from closer range and throw them away from each other, which is good cus the ship has no ram cage

[elfin venture]

yes

[vernal lance]

how did you remove that relationship with cosmoteer

[elfin venture]

play other video games

sometimes i also have burnout of a specific faction/style too

so making ships from other factions or inventing new styles is good

[vernal lance]

damn

haven't passed that stage yet

[elfin venture]

i think i first tried out pvp cus i was a bit burnt out with aesthetics

[median patio]

I've made so many ships that I've run out of ideas
Or atleast slowly drip out
Cause I made so many ships newer ships are more unique
That's why I paint once in a a blue moon

[small breach]

almost done

[small breach]

i have the opposite issue and have made tonnes of ships too

kinda overwhelming how much unfinished stuff i have, what's worse is theyll all probably stay that way for a really long time

because i don't really care enough to paint them and i get like 10 more better ideas to do every time i finish building or painting a ship

[tribal heath]

🥲

[spring haven]

Added more missile ammo and a ramcage and unless I find any major flaws, this ship is ready for painting.

[mortal cave]

Oh. Nope.

A 'Drive' is in the sense that its for collecting ships for the game, and less about competing. A blood drive is an example in which collecting blood takes place.

I pushed for trying it this way, because in previous competitions, really really good ships fell through the cracks, and because any amount if ships can 'win,' that should no longer happen. I'm a bit surprised, but very glad there's been such a positive response thus far.

[oak plaza]

Told ya @elfin venture...

[elfin venture]

dan

[oak plaza]

Even if I forfeit Master of Design I still can't join...

[mortal cave]

The glamor shot isn't going to be relevant for architect consideration, but it would be the best to do so

[tired vapor]

alright

[oak plaza]

This also applies if I were to only wanna join for Architect Voting right...?

[mortal cave]

Was 'banned from design events' unclear somehow?

[tired vapor]

the thing i named my ship after :D

[oak plaza]

Well the rules did change and if ever I would still wanna clarify myself because I still feel like wrongly banned but I just wanna clarify...

[mortal cave]

Go make a mod that adds every independent ship you wanna make to the game and upload it to steam

[oak plaza]

I don't have the skills for that...
And its no fun to not join DC, that's all...

Sorry for the messages then...

[mortal cave]

Inspiration is always cool, whats this from?

[tired vapor]

dcss

dungeon crawl stone soup

unfortuantely it sucks for this run :(

@median patio nice ship

[median patio]

thx

[toxic ocean]

In your words, goodbye infinity 🫡

[small breach]

lol

[past bramble]

this might be funny

[toxic ocean]

Ah, gotcha. Yeah this is a good idea, and spirit of the competition is still there thanks to mustard o' desing role.

[small breach]

sadekivi is done

[toxic ocean]

Very competitive looking but I like it.

I usually have big front faces to do cool decorative pieces on.

[past bramble]

pink brick is getting into the game one way or another

[toxic ocean]

WTF this is so much better than most your previous designs.

[tribal heath]

But this was only for sotd-submissions...

[small breach]

EXACTLY

it all began when realised i could do what immtrm does with layer 0

[toxic ocean]

Hmm... But architects aren't allowed to compete in DCs either as far as I'm aware.

[past bramble]

budget is an issue tho might have to cut down on MRTs

or EMPs

[small breach]

use it for shading

[toxic ocean]

I mean why'd they need to, they can literally get their ships in game for free.

If anything you have to be PAYED to get your ships in game XD

[tribal heath]

No, there is no such rule. It's just 100% pointless if DC theme is faction ships.

[past bramble]

this is alreaedy 1.8m, 200k for FTL + decor is most likely not enough

[small breach]

also thank you immtrm for bringing layer 0 to monolith now i have examples to copy

[past bramble]

i wonder if i can go storage

[toxic ocean]

✨ you know what to do ✨

[past bramble]

im using facts atm

[toxic ocean]

Can I ask you kine, why bullet here

[past bramble]

i could save alot off money using storages but idk if that is enough ammo

idk i haven assign things properly

im looking at built in contemporaries with DCs ship at these size use factories hmm

[toxic ocean]

The fact that the resources are included in the total price kinda sucks.

[past bramble]

but then again the missile sticks....

[toxic ocean]

Because frankly, resource price doesn't count in weight classes.

[small breach]

also wait did you notice the mine spam?

if you did then you saying that would make more sense

[toxic ocean]

I did.

I just don't understand the ides of the back facing mines, they'll never fire.

[small breach]

flankers i think

[toxic ocean]

AI not smart enough.

[small breach]

idk honestly but i had space to fill and extra budget so

[toxic ocean]

Also front facing mines, if you ram too quickly they'll do nothing.

[toxic ocean]

EMP EMP EMP

[small breach]

goddamit you're right

good thing i already have an emp and mines factory module

hahahahhahahahahhaah

hm hold on

what if i replaced front mines with emp and turned the back mines sideways

ai will use them if the enemy tries flanking

[toxic ocean]

That's nice, you could do some centralized factory array.

[toxic ocean]

Eh, I doubt it, plus the design looks nice as is.

Anyways, I'm doing some general shaping for le volcano ship™️

How's it so far?

There will be big CG and big ion in the middle just so my ship can volcano

[small breach]

meltdown finally getting a comeback

[toxic ocean]

I won't name it Meltdown though.

[small breach]

(if it's not obvious because you said that i'm waiting for you to say what you will name it)

[toxic ocean]

Yes lol, I was about to type it anyways but I wondered if you'd reply.

[small breach]

lemme guess, named after a georgian volcano eruption (if there are any, i mean georgia does have mountains so some of them have to had exploded at one point)

[toxic ocean]

Yes, Georgia has been quite volcanically active country, but there hasn't been any major eruptions. I mean there is the so called ''Mount Glass'' which could've been a kickass name, but nah.

I'm gonna name it In Silico, in honour to that one awesome volcano-themed GD level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY3tjQuHPYQ

I just really like this name.

[small breach]

mount glass is soo good

but cool nonethless, silico is nice name

[toxic ocean]

Plus it sounds like Silica.

By the way, in the volcano barrel there will be both chainguns, ions and a railgun :>

Will be so hard to fit all those stuff in but I'm up for the challenge.

[small breach]

nice

[tired vapor]

probably my coolest ship name

[small breach]

meanwhile my names: beamstone but in finnish

[toxic ocean]

Not sure what any of your ship names mean to be honest, most of them feel like gibberish.

[tired vapor]

the crew names follow a pattern to shottern the information as much as possibe: generally a prefix/suffix system but as tight together as possible, most common suffix is hi and lo, for high priority and low priority respectively

like ophi would be someone with operator priority in whatever precedes the op of 7 to 9

but all the ship names are either words i found cool or latin stuff or interesting site names (like pantai remis)

[tired vapor]

(this is because i need to be able to at a glance know that this crew role is to primarily operate a railgun, but will not supply ammo, and is also being pretasked by an engine to power a shield, but will refill a pd capacitor's power if it has downtime)

raiophinosuperpowloshihicapmed

[toxic ocean]

Any ideas on how to make the upper 8 ions work without shifting them back?

[toxic ocean]

You have invented your own way to create composites, nice.

[tired vapor]

yes

it originally used numbers but i like hi/low/med more

my crew colors are pretty standardized as well (blue is *always* just loop, green is always caphi or similar, etc)

and gre/ay is always operator, unconditionally

[toxic ocean]

How about the outer ions? They'll not be able to exit the super thin barrel.

[tired vapor]

you could attempt something like this but good luck lol

[mortal cave]

I was about to suggest doing that

[toxic ocean]

Well I already figured out an alternative, that also allows me to have 2 rails :D

Unfortunately I'll have to rearrange shields

[mortal cave]

Having a central 4 prisms that you shoot around is probably going to be your best bet

[toxic ocean]

Did something similar anyways.

Wait a second, I'm just stupid.

This is so so much better

[tired vapor]

btw nick do u have any critiques for my paint, i think i fixed everywhere i found ugly last night but my beholder's eye is very blind

[small breach]

i'm not nick but i'd say color scheme could be better

i mean that's what nick told me all the time

[tired vapor]

true

i want to make red somehow work though

it's in the name after all

[small breach]

you can probably find colors that work with dark red better than magenta(?) ithink

[toxic ocean]

Oh screw it, I only have 300K left.

I already sense a great irritance this contest shall cause.

[tired vapor]

@mortal cave just to double check, civilian themed ships are *not* allowed

[toxic ocean]

Definitely not bad, but the fully empty parts could use some Monolith or Imperium-like highlights to make it less bland.

[tired vapor]

can you circle

i think it is not really empty

[toxic ocean]

Highlight! Highlight!

[tired vapor]

oh i see

true

[toxic ocean]

By the way I like the uniquely transitioning scheme, but shouldn't orange go to red to magenta instead of red>orange>magenta?

[tired vapor]

also true

[deft kayak]

I like the orange directly to magenta fades personally

Agree that the solid red bits could use highlights though

[tired vapor]

the problem with highlighting the big red blocks is i only have 2 colors to highlight with, and they both make it look garish the last time i attempted it

maybe i'll use lights as psuedopaint

[toxic ocean]

I have a similar scheme by the way, but it turned out so ugly that I had to scrap it.

Orange>magenta

Problem is with dark orange

[tired vapor]

i lvoe pink

[toxic ocean]

Ain't look too bad to me.

Way better than plain colour

Just like how niches and windows help plain concrete walls look better.

By the way are you not concerned about ammo?

For a 600K ship it sure only has enough ammo to barely defeat 1 ship

[lament skiff]

meekoz still around

[tired vapor]

it was going to have lasers too but it looked very ugly

i can only weave balls through each other for so long before the logistics and shape just look awful

[lament skiff]

@elfin venture

[tired vapor]

better i think

i think this will be the last version unless i find something big

and a better glamour

[toxic ocean]

Screew you price limittttt

[toxic ocean]

Oh good freakin' luck optimizing 400K off that thing without tarnishing its looks or arsenal.

[tired vapor]

400k? wtf

it says 22k there D:

all resources??

[toxic ocean]

I will have to add more thrusters, crew and aesthetics you know.

[tired vapor]

how do you have 400k of resoruces

what's the current ship look like

[toxic ocean]

Looks like THIS so far.

☠️

[tired vapor]

oh

[toxic ocean]

Not even worth going on.

[tired vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-we-out-peace-out-disappear-gif-15464202

[toxic ocean]

Just gonna scrap the rails.

😔

[tired vapor]

lower ion count could make it work

and less shield

[toxic ocean]

Not much of a volcano will it be.

[toxic ocean]

It already looks like a fly could kill it.

I'll have stubby rails for the funny.

[tired vapor]

it only needs to be a volcano compared to the player

[toxic ocean]

Good point.

Original draft had 32 ions.

[past bramble]

not as fast as i hoped it to be

only 110

[toxic ocean]

The lengths a man will go to optimize 😭

And it's still 200K plus overbudget.

This project is a dumpsterfire.

[lament skiff]

The shape is cool tho

i believe in u

[past bramble]

Cut the launchers out

[toxic ocean]

Drop in a sea.

[mortal cave]

Turn some armor into corridors

[desert trail]

well.... i've managed to make a 1.9ish M, mine orbiter. its not done yet and i still need to paint it. but it obliterates most of the ships ive put it aganst so thats one thing its got going for it....

just need to make it look nicer....

[bronze citrus]

looks evil

im taking it upon myself to create new player ganking ships i think

[desert trail]

semi related side note, watching a ship fly into like 30 mines and lose half its armor in 30 seconds is epic

[bronze citrus]

first on the list is a low cost mine+railkite

mines are so satisfying

[desert trail]

yep

[bronze citrus]

basically the idea will be that new players struggle most with:

1. making fast ships in the earlygame
2. ships with sufficient defense/offense

so my ships will all exploit these weaknesses somehow and teach new players better habits

one will def be a low cost railkite with mines since nothing like that exists afaik

[desert trail]

when you get angry mesages asking who bult this ship you know its working

[bronze citrus]

mhm

maybe a morbiter as a second ship

to punish ships with poor defense/offense

[wispy vigil]

easy solution, get a player to use a railfan against that new guy

[bronze citrus]

aaaaand a high cost cg+dc rammer for the most expensive slot methinks

[bronze citrus]

im gonna upload ur soul into a tb rail and submit it to the design contest

[wispy vigil]

unlucky

[tribal heath]

The best kind of feedback

[desert trail]

yup

[bronze citrus]

ok, low cost railkites just dont really work

i see

maybe just a low cost missile/mine kite then

[lament skiff]

How low we talking

[tired vapor]

rockets do not need engine rooms - in fact you do not need them in general
you can also reduce the core and move the reactor

[toxic ocean]

I know, I'll probably remove them but I liked them as they reduce logistic strain

[tired vapor]

they add logistic strain under optimal conditions agony

like the optimal erless is more logistically easy and crew unintensive than the optimal er design

[toxic ocean]

Less things for crew to power.

[tired vapor]

that is part of the reason why it is bad

[small breach]

saving this for future use

[lament skiff]

That’s actually a funi idea

can you make a railfan based off me

[tired vapor]

concretefan

2 short rails in a brick of armor

[lament skiff]

perfect

[small breach]

sure

third fan in this dc will be the concrete fan

[bronze citrus]

basic idea for first ship

bit heavy on the armor for a kite but its not a pure kite and it has tbs so its probably good to be a bit heavier anyway

[lament skiff]

[inner basalt]

@mortal cave Roseship had made a Quartz with light.Looks very good I think!Can we replace the current version with this version?#ships message

The original author's permission has been sought

[inner basalt]

Really want to improve Isis to take part in the contest,but have no idea...

[lament skiff]

Paintwise or mechanically

Or both

[elfin venture]

yea i remembered that ship while naming it, but your overseer isn't in the game so its fine
the tractor beam beam™️ is not winning that fight lol

[lament skiff]

well yeah it's at a 1 mil cost deficit lol

[elfin venture]

damn is your overseer that big? i thought it was like 1.4mil for some reason lmao

im still wondering if i can get a better name for the tractor beam beam because "tractor beam beam" is funny but not a good name

[lament skiff]

im confused is it called overseer or tractor beam beam

and yea mine is a little over 2m

[elfin venture]

my ship is called overseer but it is literally a beam of tractor beams so i'm caling it that so i don't have to constantly specificy which blue-and-grey long orbiter we're talking about

[lament skiff]

o

aside from talking to me i doubt anyone will think of mine

[elfin venture]

that's whhy im not bothered about our ships having the same name

[lament skiff]

ye

im not either i just thought it was funny how the ships are very similar and u named it the same

[bronze citrus]

is there a way to set up the ai to use mines better

[lament skiff]

how are you using the mines

[bronze citrus]

on a kiter

[lament skiff]

uhh

not really tbh

[bronze citrus]

rip

ig theyll work as a contingency still

[lament skiff]

its hard cause if the enemy is slower than you then you're just gonna sit outside of mine range and if they're faster they'll probably just ram into you maybe taking one mine salvo at best

[bronze citrus]

the good thing is its using push tb

so basically immune to most rammers, itll stay at a decent distance

[lament skiff]

that miiight work

[bronze citrus]

i wonder what the most annoying low cost ship type is. in my playthroughs what usually gets me these days are cg ships and some of the cabal kiters

[lament skiff]

this is the most annoying ship i have 500k or below

[bronze citrus]

missile kite lol, makes sense

[lament skiff]

its annoying because it doesnt even do much damage its just very hard to kill

[bronze citrus]

maybe i should just make 3 missile kites and call it a day

at varying cost ranges

nah thats not interesting

[lament skiff]

lol

[bronze citrus]

i think all my ships are going to try to impart some lesson on newer players

[lament skiff]

good

[bronze citrus]

the tb missile kite is that outthrusting them is not the only counter to kites (since you p much cant)

[lament skiff]

correct thought process

[bronze citrus]

since that seems like a common complaint

[lament skiff]

idk how you can do it in only 2m but it seems the most complained about ship in recent memory is augustus

so i think new players might hate the giga he spam

[bronze citrus]

hmmm...

my tb kite is already giga he spam but i could do another fine since itll be distinct enough

but thats not particularly interesting, i also dont think those ships are too interesting to fight

[mortal cave]

Be careful to not make your ship soulless Yuuki 😛

[bronze citrus]

the newer ships grown on me, ive found it pretty fun to roflstomp max difficulty career with pvp ships and they provide a challenge

[flint abyss]

wait, we have to give them a soul ?
well, tbh, making ships do drain my soul. i guess that's what happening

[bronze citrus]

oh, a nuke ship, i have to make a nuke ship

[lament skiff]

^

The ship im trying to make im heavily considering nukes

Aesthetically they dont match the idea but spiritually they do

[tired vapor]

saris what is soul D: idk what people mean by ships with(out) soul

[elfin venture]

ships that feel mass-produced with not much interest or care put into making them unique; ships made out of obligation

[lament skiff]

i think some people assume pvp-esque ships are automatically soulless

But i dont think there’s anything you cant give soul with paint

[elfin venture]

pvp definitely has the most "soulless" charges thrown at it

the imperial cannonwalls Sharpshinned, Rain Crow, and Cooper Hawk were incredibly soulless with very little distuingishing them
Saris redid their paintwork entirely, added EMPs to sharpshinned, and gave them all descriptions to fix that

though cooper hawk is still kinda soulless imo

[lament skiff]

Which is which?

[elfin venture]

i wonder if you can tell which is which at all (i have no idea how knowledgeable you are about built-ins)

[lament skiff]

i recognize them i just dont remember their names

[elfin venture]

well i already said sharpshinned has EMPs, while the others don't

so which of the other two feels more soulless?

[lament skiff]

Smaller one imo

[elfin venture]

top right?

[lament skiff]

Ye

[elfin venture]

yep

top right is cooper hawk and my least favourite
it has no EMPs, and it doesn't have the unique brightly lit cannons

[lament skiff]

The big glowing red face is very iconic

[tired vapor]

my whole design is "obligation" to ball weaving D:

[lament skiff]

What is ball weaving

[elfin venture]

that is the most tangible definition of soulless - a ship with almost no defining features

[tired vapor]

i am putting the balls inside each other and shooting between the balls

the turret hitboxes

[elfin venture]

painful

[elfin venture]

did you improve the paint slightly? the front looks good, as to the sporadic purple lights
I do think there's a bit too much of the same horizontal 1x2-triangle-angled (y'know, the angle of lines that imperium tends to use) line rows at the bottom though

[lament skiff]

Isn’t that what you always do with those or am i missing something

[tired vapor]

yes

i love this shape though

[tired vapor]

i am shooting in between the 2 eb with one chaingun, and behind the other 2's balls with the other

[elfin venture]

small Imperium and Monolith ships are also the best examples of "soulless"

[tired vapor]

s

[tired vapor]

i think they look pretty good :(

[lament skiff]

Oh so its just pvp slang for tight barrel

[elfin venture]

the small imperiums are almost always triangular-shaped diagonal laser or cannon ships (usually laser)

Falconet and Fantail are almost identical ships - even their reactor, cockpit, and hyperdrives are in the same general layout, the only difference is the armour and thrust

[tired vapor]

well that is because their layout is similar

i think they're all relatively distinct to dissect in combat

(even though you almost never see tiny imperium :(

[elfin venture]

oh i forgot another triangular small laser ship

and this one is literally just erponis but with a small laser instead of a disruptor

[spring haven]

I think I've figured out a paint scheme for this contest.(The ship is just for testing colors.)

[elfin venture]

i would fight all of these in exactly the same way

similar to the nuke ships, but at least the nukeboats are a bit less common and more varied

[tired vapor]

average reactor exploder l

[elfin venture]

i would not do that

i'd strip all the weapons first
there's too much frontal armour to make it worthwhile going for the reactor

and for 4 of them, i'd try to kill the cr, the rest, the reactor since the CR is directly behind it

[tired vapor]

i would definitely do weapons/thrust for all of them

anyways, i do not really see how the designs are soulless other than "their guns are in similar places"

[elfin venture]

I am not surprised - you are a pvp ship maker first and foremost

when building aesthetically differentiating between the ships is far more important

these ships are the built-ins I test against the least and remember the least, because they're all effectively the same

[lament skiff]

imo almost all ships below 150k are soulless regardless of faction

just not much you can do at that size

[elfin venture]

to some extent yes, it's much harder to give them personality, though still very doable

fringe has the most character in its tiny ships

[tired vapor]

everything is babby clone bcePensiveThink

[elfin venture]

the Imperial ones are restrained by a need to be capable in combat which results in them all being built the same with the same tactics

doing the same thing will work against literally all of them

[tired vapor]

fringe is literally the same exact combat approach in every tiny ship agony each of the thrusts is accissible from head on

[elfin venture]

...so?

they can still require you to do different things

especially if you're not a PVP shipbuilder that knows exactly how to beat everything

[tired vapor]

yes, you press h and then r at it and target the 2 backmost thrust

true

[elfin venture]

ok but what if you're using the model-C, and the other ship is a Marigold? what if it's a Duster, and approaching too quickly will hit you in the back?

[tired vapor]

which is duster

i forget

[elfin venture]

it's much harder to use the same approach against every single fringe ship with the same amount of success, compared to Imperium

some of them you can also clearly see where they got the idea from beyond "i'm going to make a small faction ship"

[tired vapor]

imo ship difficulty is monolith > cabal > fringe > monolith for larger ship sizes, and cabal > imperium = monolith > fringe for the tiny ones

[lament skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314115775319506955/1233641577855975485/To_and_Fro.ship.png?ex=66ae6000&is=66ad0e80&hm=831e3374854dd5ef7ba98da7f1927ae3029fb5f1cbe66aafebc62cb3047686d4&

[tired vapor]

beautiful

[lament skiff]

L + ball weaved + soul

[tired vapor]

clearly ball weaving is what gives ship soul

[elfin venture]

it's a unique characteristic

so ye

there's a lot of ways to give ships soul

maybe a good measure of "soulfulness" is how easily you can differentiate the ship from others without using its name or a picture of it

if you say "that ship with the nuke behind the cannon" it's p. obvious it's backup

[lament skiff]

Could be the bigger ones

[elfin venture]

if you say "that tiny imperium ship with the two lasers" that could be Fantail or Falconet or potentially even the hybrid ones like longspur since that also has two lasers

[elfin venture]

those have multiple nukes behind multiple cannons

[tired vapor]

can yuo show me the fringe ship with the 2 lasers

[lament skiff]

It’s impossible to define imo it’s just a feeling

[elfin venture]

fanged fighter or horsefly

[lament skiff]

Cause i feel like on paper the on- series is soulless but they still feel soulful to me

[inner basalt]

Have finished the core part...I'm planing to refer to Solar Flare,But the theme is water

Paint like that(my old work)

[elfin venture]

which you can also refine to "that fringe ship with no armour" and "that little scrappy 2 laser sihp"
differentiating between Falconet and Fantail...
"that diag small Imperium ship with 2 lasers" - nope could be either

[elfin venture]

yea that's an interesting case
imo it's cus they don't overstay their welcome
each on- ship is quite far apart size wise

suppressor and successor are also interesting because they're pretty soulless alone but get a bit of personality together

[lament skiff]

Each one should be ‘soulless’ individually tbh

Long monolith ship with no unique features, uses solely HE

[elfin venture]

using solely HE is a unique feature, when all the other ships at the same price don't

plus, they're basically the quintessential missileboats

like how fion is the quintessential ion rammer

[lament skiff]

I dont remember for all the smaller ones but onager has other pure he at its size

At least one

(Mjolnir)

[elfin venture]

onager also has the funny ions

but yea it does have a lot of other HE stuff at its size - mjolnir, enforcer, guardian
It'd definitely be soulless if not for those ions which barely save it

mono defs struggles the most with having soul

with Imperium each architect has a very distinct style, it's a bit less noticeable for monolith

[mortal cave]

I said the soul thing as a joke and its still frankly asinine to try and retroactively quantify nonsense that was based upon a rage fueled rant and nothing more

[elfin venture]

i have no idea what rage fueled rant you're talking about

[mortal cave]

The origin of the soullessness term came from someone who was extremely tilted at the time and spent half of the post being insulting

[elfin venture]

i didn't know that

[mortal cave]

Soulless is about as personal as they could come up with I imagine

[elfin venture]

perhaps, then, another name for what i'm describing would be "boring"

[mortal cave]

At least thats clearer

[lament skiff]

soulfulness is a completely subjective term but I think as we are all here playing the same game our souls are at least partially in tune

[mortal cave]

Nonetheless I contest the criticisms you levy against the Imperium cannonwalls- I barely changed them from what they were, and claiming their pvp shape is an issue remains subjective

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1052491451726053388/1251357845195063316/image.png?ex=66ae3a0f&is=66ace88f&hm=e6f12f181203680ad9191d13d80ac92b71e1ce6bfc910e9950a5e504cf7ad2c2&

[lament skiff]

it’s all subjective, I personally don’t have a problem with them, but the red glowy one is at least more recognizable than the other two

[elfin venture]

yea rain crow is defs the most memorable thanks to the glowing cannons
and at least sharpshinned has EMPs to distinguish it from the others

[mortal cave]

I personally can distinguish them as well

• Cooperhawk has the twin fangs and splayed wings
• Rain Crow has the central hole and brightly lit cannons
• Sharpshinned has EMPs

If anything I'd be more inclined to be picking on sharp shinned

But I digress. Have you a rebuttal? I'm very interested in what you have to say

[lament skiff]

rebuttal to what exactly

[mortal cave]

My points, etc

[elfin venture]

I can also tell them apart pretty easily, though oddly i tend to forget about Cooper Hawk's fangs - probably because rain crow was already memorable and i was surprised when I saw Sharpshinned's added EMPs
I suppose to me it feels like there's one too many? they're all in the same 200-300k price range, with two of them in the same tier
I don't have particular attachment to any of them, I just thought of Sharpshinned's EMPs before Cooper Hawk's fangs

[lament skiff]

the EMPs are a difference but not immediately noticeable as they are only two and small. I dont think ‘Sharpshinned’ and think ‘oh yeah that cannonwall with EMPs’ and with that the only immediately noticeable difference between it and cooperhawk to me is the little fangs

[elfin venture]

before the EMPs i thought "that cannonwall with SCs)
i think i was sorting by newest to look at all the recently added ships, saw sharpshinned up there, and was surprised to notice the EMPs

[tired vapor]

there's 3 now

[elfin venture]

oh right nettlesome aka the Wide Boi

[tired vapor]

i think their paint looks pretty good

[elfin venture]

we got Best Ship in the Game™️, Wide Boi, and Scrappy Boi

[tired vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-crazy-gif-19728823

[lament skiff]

Interesting

[tired vapor]

i would hope so

[lament skiff]

Oof

Im going to put so much effort into this paint simply to teach new players fear

[tired vapor]

yipee

[elfin venture]

yes

the independents should be terrifying

overseer (mine) isn't that scary tbh, but it's hard to kill, an orbiter, and primary intended to mess with players using direct control or using RTS well

smaller ships are completely incapable of approaching it

[lament skiff]

Usually in these contests I try to make ships that invoke awe

But this ship will hopefully invoke terror and dread

[elfin venture]

i feel like from the perspective of a career player X-Calibur invokes confusion and fear because of it

sure its scary when you can see the giant death beam or something

but it's even scarier when you see a ship that looks incredibly weirdly designed to the point where it's barely recognizable as a ship, yet still belongs to the powerful Independent group of enemies

[tired vapor]

as a not new career player the worse things are when the explosive kills are the quik ones, there is exposed thrust and weaponry but destroying it takes so long that it's no longer worth taking damage to maximize salvage, and when things can always shoot you

not being able to ram is annoying too

[elfin venture]

remember, when designing for a contest, make design choices that a) look cool b) make people complain about this bs

i want someone to complain about overseer denying them any movement

[lament skiff]

I think it was unapproved for career

it was a unanimous no from the architects

[tired vapor]

mmmm idk whether to make a 200k run ender or a 1m-2m big project murderizer

[lament skiff]

former imo

[tired vapor]

don't want to be done in 3 days though

actually ig i should, i have other cosmoteer stuff to do as well

[lament skiff]

You can spend the rest of the month inproving the paint

[elfin venture]

ah

i mean it is extremely fragile and relies a lot on how the AI aims

i think for my next DC ship i'll do a splitter

maybe with frontal LS and ion reactors, and when those are blown up, individual DC ships connected to them can split off and attack

[lament skiff]

i have been considering ideas like that but i imagine they wouldn’t be approved

[elfin venture]

y

[lament skiff]

idk seems like something the archs wouldn’t go for

[elfin venture]

let me check what they've previous approved

[bronze citrus]

some ships are already soft splitters

[elfin venture]

most previous ships that haven't been approved:
-X-Calibur - Relies on AI sucking + some architects didn't like the shape
-Etch - it has only PD
-Omnipresence - it's too close to Cabal and has some issues, like airlock operators
-Chainbound - Looks competitive and generally doesn't look nice enough
-Mister Rock and Missus Ket - appearance issues only

• Empyrean Augur - barely a combat ship

[elfin venture]

yea
banshee in particular is effectively a hard splitter

as long as i don't do something blatantly obvious and ugly i should be able to do this swarm-releasing ship just fine

also, each swarmer will have a single DC as its weapon, so the ship can fight just fine without being split at all

[lament skiff]

well

[mortal cave]

Can you link or post those ships, just out of curiousity and for sake of other people reading?

[lament skiff]

tbf I was imagining something like Odd Machine when you said that

which even with good paint i dont think would ever be approved

[elfin venture]

idk what odd machine is

[elfin venture]

sure, gimme a sec

[lament skiff]

#ship-of-the-day message

[elfin venture]

in the same order they were mentioned in

from left to right, top to bottom

[elfin venture]

ah that
yea definitely not as obvious as that + the main ship will be noticeably larger than each offshoot

[mortal cave]

Ah yes I recall now

[elfin venture]

anyways since Banshee exists im pretty sure a splitter has at least a decent chance of getting approved

[tired vapor]

banshee is very nice to pilot

probably my favorite faction built in to pilot (fringe though :vomit:)

[bronze citrus]

p sure fringe has a lot of soft splitters

just like launchers and stuff in the middle to make them very easy to split

[tired vapor]

@lusty ruin you need to have a .ship file (the location is in the pins of #ships)

[elfin venture]

Is this... approvable? will the architects have a problem with this splitting setup?

@mortal cave

[mortal cave]

I think you should hide it better for sure, and just generally give it more aesthetics. There isn't a lot of very superfluous material

[elfin venture]

understood
it's kinda hard to do so, since there's quite a lot of structure added to hold them all to one spot
though i can test and see if i can get away with connecting them to the flak

plus, if i add too much armour or corridor, the squibs will be effectively immobile

[tired vapor]

"squib"

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[lusty ruin]

Some of these ships this time around are nuts

oh wait im looking at the previous one

seraphim supreme and monarch of the stars are nuts

[lament skiff]

lol

yeah true

[elfin venture]

Is this any better? I've been making it look fragmented (and a bit fringey, but the paint will be clearly not fringe) to draw attention away from the swarmers
reasoning being that if the armour was one solid chunk the 6 partially detached bits would look a lot more out of place

if necessary i can add stuff to the far sides, i'm just hesitant on doing that since it'll make it harder for the outer DC ships to get out (and thus a bit harder for all of them)

[mortal cave]

That does look better yes

[elfin venture]

Just aded even more

i noticed it was quite weak to HE

now the hard part is going to be painting the most fringe thing ever in a not fringe way

on the bright side its performance is alright, and more importantly, very fun

[inner basalt]

=n=Though I love the fact that this thing can use three weapons in one gun barrel at once... But it's not strong enough......

[elfin venture]

ah the omnibarrel, my favourite

[lament skiff]

rails probably need to be longer cause with short rails between prisms the projectiles will often smack prisms when turning but faster projectile speed helps prevent it

[elfin venture]

ok now finalized
does anyone have any idea how to paint this thing without it being fringe lmao

[lament skiff]

could be anything tbh

Im sure you can reshape the frontal armor

[tired vapor]

i might be able to help - want me to optimize?

[inner basalt]

True...Maybe I should just remove it

[elfin venture]

yea but the less fringey the frontal armour, the more out-of-place the summons look

[inner basalt]

Sure. Can we count it as a collaboration work?

[inner basalt]

me too lol

[lament skiff]

Why? You can paint them however you want

[tired vapor]

optimziation does not count as collaboration - if it did, i would not be allowed to submit solo

[elfin venture]

There needs to be holes in the armour for the minions to be released properly (explosive charges are banned on built-in combat ships)
if there's holes in the armour everywhere else as well, it's less obvious that the ship is built around releasing the minions in groups

i am considering doing a sort of skeletal paint for this one tbh

necromancy

[lament skiff]

trying to fine-tune barrel length and width, this is about as long as i can get it while keeping it two-wide, think it would be better to make it 1 wider and like 4ish longer?

[elfin venture]

could use a lot of principles from lanius fringe when doing that too, and would probably use blueish-purple along with the bone-white

[lament skiff]

those holes dont necessarily make it fringy tho, at the very least many cabal ships have little gaps like those

[elfin venture]

true, true
either way the finicking about with structure and holes inside the ship make it necessary, especially since those holes aren't anything like the cabal ones

[lament skiff]

yeah im jus saying little random holes =/= fringe

[inner basalt]

Oh got it

[elfin venture]

little random holes + structure + silly goober ship idea = fringe imo

[inner basalt]

My English is not so good that I didn't fully understand the rule

[lament skiff]

out of the 4 built ins factions, sure, but theres no reason an independent cant have those things but be painted differently

[inner basalt]

If I work with someone, all three of them have to be co-productions,？

[elfin venture]

that is what i am going to do

[lament skiff]

collabing with someone counts as one submission for both players

[inner basalt]

Got it thanks

[lament skiff]

per ship

[elfin venture]

Air helping someone with optimization does not count as a collab

[tired vapor]

but my current suggestions without making any direct edits:

[tired vapor]

yes

[lament skiff]

no

you can collab with someone on just one ship

[inner basalt]

The main thing is that adding missiles will affect the shape I think

But still thanks for your advice!

[tired vapor]

no

[lament skiff]

weird tbh

[lament skiff]

help pls

actually

I gotir

[elfin venture]

probs better to make it 1 wider and 4ish longer

[lament skiff]

i did this

shooould be the best option i think

[elfin venture]

looks like

[lament skiff]

i dont think either way will help win against ion doom rays

[elfin venture]

for that you rely on boolet

nothing outsmarts boolet

[lament skiff]

6 cg’s should hopefully be enough to beat da doom rays

[lament skiff]

ehehehe

[elfin venture]

wtf is that side cg placement

cant' even shoot forwards

[lament skiff]

its not supposed to

its for eliminating orbiting or flanking enemies

[bronze citrus]

i dont understand, where and how do they actually split off?

[bronze citrus]

btw i think builtins using mrts need normal thrust too

cause the ai cant maneuver very well with pure mrt omnithrust

[lament skiff]

i forgor the reverse thrust

[bronze citrus]

oh...

thats gonna be fun to fit into that ship

[lament skiff]

its gonna go right next to the shields

should be fine…

[bronze citrus]

iirc one of the soft guidelines is normal forward thrust too

might be mistaken though

[lament skiff]

probably

this things gonna get changed a fair bit anyways

this is just the rough draft

[bronze citrus]

i might have to make a cg rammer too

[lament skiff]

this thing is at 1,996,000 and I still need to fit hyperdrives, reverse thrust, and pd at the very least

[bronze citrus]

oh no

well youve got plenty of armor to cut at least

[lament skiff]

so it will go through revisions for sure

Im trying not to

emancipator just cut through its entire face while testing

[bronze citrus]

understandable

[lament skiff]

might reduce it to 4 cg in center and 1 on each side

dunno if that will be enough firepower tho

[bronze citrus]

i would cut the side cg first

cutting 1 side cg should let you afford most of what you need

[lament skiff]

im not confident a single cg can cut through the shields many orbiters will have

but maybe will be fine with the emps

[bronze citrus]

hmm

well if ur ship gets orbited to that extent i think ur pretty screwed anyways

mrts have zero redundancy

one of the prices you pay for insane thrust

[lament skiff]

well my main goal was to make a ship that can handle a rammer, orbiter, or kite

aka anything i guess

110 top speed and emps for kites, thicc face + nukes + cg barrel to win rams, side cg for orbiters

[bronze citrus]

and you built a rammer? 😭

[lament skiff]

yeah

Well to explain more accurately, i devised a system in my head to numerize offense, defense, and maneuverability

a perfect 10 in offense would mean no combinations of defenses and maneuvering will allow an enemy to survive for more than a minute or two

and that is the goal

[elfin venture]

there is a (rather complicated) set of structure set up which basically means that when a large reactor blows up, all 3 minions on that side are released

[elfin venture]

anyway, a question
does alternating DC fire do anything?

[lament skiff]

are you asking what it does or is there a benefit as opposed to dual fire

[elfin venture]

the minions on this ship have extremely low-budget DC factory setups with 12 loaders and 2 factories

[elfin venture]

is there a benefit, sorry

[lament skiff]

hmmm

The only thing I can think of is it would help slip past flaks

but there are too many downsides to make it worth

even if there’s something im missing

[elfin venture]

testing it, it seems that the alternating fire has better sustain?

[lament skiff]

yeah i guess it would

[lament skiff]

crew needs to load both guns with dual fire but they’ll fire with only one loaded on alternating

and the ammo drains more smoothly instead of in bursts

[elfin venture]

this ship frequently ends up in positions where what matters is shooting now, not shooting hard

so i think i'll use alternating

i don't think i've ever actually made a ship with alternating fire DCs before

[lament skiff]

I think best use case is probably big crew deficiency

[elfin venture]

well that's what i have lmao

12 loaders/dc and 2 facs, with no additional crew available

[lament skiff]

12 loaders including operators?

[elfin venture]

this is because a ship with 2 LRs, an MR, and 6 SRs costs money

[elfin venture]

no, just 12 loaders
each individual minion has 12 loaders and 6 redshirts who will only ever operate the DC and cockpit and the remaining guy powers thrusters

their sustain is quite bad

[lament skiff]

so 16 total crew per dc?

[elfin venture]

yes

by pvp standards not that much

[lament skiff]

that should be able to full sustain the guns for a few minutes

18 crew is indefinite full sustain

[lament skiff]

oh

why are ur factories rotated like that

that’s probably the issue

[elfin venture]

so ammo is close

and i cna't have both ammo and sulfure close because then the factories cannot be accessed

so flip all the facs?

[lament skiff]

you can have the sulfur attached to storage and bullets attached to gun

crew will only have to walk further for power

[mortal cave]

I really appreciate this ship being "what if we poorly glued 6 sprockets to an ion array"

I'm excited to see how it turns out

[elfin venture]

um
how?

the concept also gives me a lot of naming options

[bronze citrus]

iirc it struggles to actually be helpful because the stun duration is the same whether it fires one or two shells, though i might be wrong

[elfin venture]

ideally one that makes sense both for the main ship and the minions would be nice, since something like "overlord" fits well for the main ship, but a sprocketoid being called overlord makes no sense

[elfin venture]

if both factories are rotated like that there's literally no way to access them

[lament skiff]

just move your fe

[elfin venture]

i am considering Collector, Summoner, and Necromancer

[mortal cave]

Legion, Army of One, One for All?

[elfin venture]

that only works for the lowermost one, the others have crew quarters in the way

[elfin venture]

Legion is good

One Man Army maybe

[lament skiff]

either way they dont need power that often

the facs are not power hungry

just have crew walk through left fac to get to right

'Boneraiser'

[mortal cave]

I think that one's gonna be a pass

[elfin venture]

the most fringe idea yet its not for fringe
i'll have to make a different version as a fringe ship after this

i was planning to give this a skeletal paintjob, that's why concrete suggested that

but yea it's not great

i think Legion is a great one

[mortal cave]

Legion is a bit cliche, but at least its not a stark euphemism

[elfin venture]

well Legion works for both the main ship and the minions

[lament skiff]

i plead the 5th

[elfin venture]

im not in the US

i dont even know what the 5th is

[lament skiff]

it means you were too mentally unwell to consider the consequences of your actions

therefore no go to jail

[mortal cave]

The 5th is a clause that permits you to not incriminate yourself

Pleading the fifth means that they know what the issue is, but will not elaborate as it would be evidence against themself

[lament skiff]

oh im thinking of pleading insanity

same thing

[elfin venture]

like this concrete?

[lament skiff]

yeah

[elfin venture]

they do end up a bit lopsided but that shouldn't be that big a deal

hopefully

[lament skiff]

gives em character

[mortal cave]

"...Nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..."
^ The important part

Anyway, I do really like the scrappy look, but you may want to maybe make it look extremely uniform so as to give the impression of a professional, as scrappy doesn't work? Or you could just wait for a faction tournament to submit [Legion]

[elfin venture]

i feel like the six sprockets duct taped to an ion beam ship has some character already

[lament skiff]

can never have too much character

also just had a funny idea, could give each sprocket a name

[elfin venture]

thing is it's actually kinda hard to make them uniform since the sprocketoids are lopsided and have to have their reverse thrust in different locations

[lament skiff]

i know it wouldnt work functionally but u can put em in the desc

[elfin venture]

Dasher, Dancer, Rudolph, Vixen, and i forgot the remaining ones

[lament skiff]

Joe, Bob, Mark, Jenny, Sarah, Gortox the Unholy One

[elfin venture]

i'll go for a skeletal look which i think can work with the scrappy design and still have it look intimidating and, more frankly, like it has a budget

[lament skiff]

good idea

[elfin venture]

could take a little inspiration from your red rum paintscheme concrete

also, even with the updated factory logistics (which do perform a lot better without much extra cost) alternating fire still seems to sustain slightly better

[lament skiff]

probs my most relevant ships for inspo

also tip for coloring bones, basically make them light grey but as yellow as you can before your brain registers it as yellow

[elfin venture]

i have done bones before and this was exactly how i obtained this colour

the original version of the paintscheme, which was made before this ship, had piss yellow bones to represent ichor, but it didn't work well at all so i changed it to this

[lament skiff]

i like your flesh style

[elfin venture]

i could potentially do a flesh ship for the contest

my 1st ship is almost certainly Overseer
my 2nd, this summoner ship

[lament skiff]

i mean, what do you plan to do for this one

cant have all 4 layers dedicated to bone colors right

[elfin venture]

i won't start painting now (probs do it tomorrow) but i'm thinking so far that i'll use shadowed with most likely 2 layers for bone colours and 1 for a blue-purpleish colour

[lament skiff]

ah so like magic + bones instead of flesh + bones

[elfin venture]

yes

lore and appearance wise this ship was made by human hands

probably slightly insane human hands

i was also considering the name Collector or The Collector

[lament skiff]

the collector is a dope name

[elfin venture]

Collector's Effigy could work, as that fits for the main ship and the minions

[lament skiff]

i like the other two more

collectors effigy doesnt inspire enough fear imo

[elfin venture]

the main thing im concerned about is making the name work for the sprocketoids as well

i think, if i do this ship justic, collector's effigy will be scary enough

also, fun fact: the ship is only slightly above 1.6mil, making it fit perfectly into a preexisting tier cost-wise

[lament skiff]

maybe just add an s

The Collectors

[elfin venture]

eh that feels weird

what if it was the Collector's?

[lament skiff]

the collector’s what

[elfin venture]

ship

i still think Collector's Effigy might be best
or Collector's Gallery

[lament skiff]

the collection?

[elfin venture]

the collection works

[lament skiff]

or just collection

Collection or The Collection both feel ominous

[elfin venture]

it could work really well if/when enemies can use the hail function properly

"oh look! a new addition to my collection" attacks

[lament skiff]

Custom hail messages would be so sick tbh

[elfin venture]

it probably wouldn't be feasible but it would be epic if there was a custom hail for releasing the collection

[lament skiff]

I am such an edgelord zamn I literally thought of a hundred edgy catchphrases when you said that

[lament skiff]

lol i bet someone could figure it out

[elfin venture]

what if superconductor had custom hails

i imagine all of them would include a bit of text saying the ship's tesla coils are charging up

with its "defeat" hail being that they're ready to fire

so the ship never finishes "charging"

[lament skiff]

lol that’s funny

[elfin venture]

the flesh ship "hails" would be hisses and screenches

false relay would deliberately not have an opening combat message

there could probably be separate hail message librariesfor the following:

• most independents
• faction combat ships
  -faction battlecruisers and flagships (gets special hail messages)
  -faction civilian ships
  -faction stations

[lament skiff]

yeah

we can dream

[median patio]

Needs more dakka

[lament skiff]

v2, about 400k saved although less guns hurts a lot

i need sleep but i think if i combine them I will be closer to the goal

Also I spent a whole hour just optimizing the engines

[small breach]

tbh i kinda preferred the older ones, they looked cooler imo

anyways for the second submission imma do something special

a fringe-ish zombie railfan, and record a video of it killing built ins and turning them to railfans to help it kill more people

[median patio]

i have a better idea for this ship

crystals

but real

[small breach]

description will be (reference to zombies and cocain by elfire) "every derelict that is not salvaged, becomes one of them, it gets up and kills, the ships it kills get up and kill"

[elfin venture]

oh great
we got the skeletal DC wall and now the zombie railfan

what is this, the halloween design contest?

[elfin venture]

isn't pure MRTs bad for the ship? the extremely boxy shape also isn't helping

[lament skiff]

its just a test so armor isnt shaped

[elfin venture]

ah

looks p. strong

[lament skiff]

Also it has more non mrt thrust than v1 💀

ultimately this version is worse even considering the lower price point

[elfin venture]

how much does it cost?

[lament skiff]

1.6m

[elfin venture]

hey i have a ship you can test it against

[lament skiff]

i saved a lot of money on the thrust thanks to switching from 4 medium to 1 large lmao

[elfin venture]

i remember thinking that was weird

[lament skiff]

Yeah its a really easy setup tho

er-med-er, slap mrt on both sides and go

[elfin venture]

if i wanted thrust to be easy i would not use MRTs

[lament skiff]

Tbh it’s easier using mrt’s than huges to propel a ship that size to 110 m/s

[elfin venture]

Tbh it's easier to just not go that fast

but i know what you're trying to do

[lament skiff]

the one thing I need to figure out is where to put the nukes

the current placement seems kinda sucky

[elfin venture]

test it against this later perhaps? i don't expect it to win but it'll be a good test of how your external CGs perform

[lament skiff]

im in bed already i’ll be able to tmrw after work

[median patio]

snow

[slow axle]

dies

Summit gradient was that good now everyone is copying it

[elfin venture]

i'm not yea a lot of people are doing that

[median patio]

I'll see if I can make it more crystal like

[small breach]

indeed

well i copied it before activate windows so i get to say i was the first to copy snow gradient from nick

[elfin venture]

i feel obligated to copy snow gradient now

[slow axle]

Nick copied the gradient from my ship

Anyhow that getting off topic

[small breach]

i guess that makes me the first second to copy it

[small breach]

damn, to fit a sensor i have to be 4% more efficient than i need to be

[elfin venture]

does it go down to 26%?

[small breach]

?

i'm just gonna hope nobody notices the efficiency corridor

[elfin venture]

wait hold on a sec

[elfin venture]

um
why?

[small breach]

was just joking but it is in the doc

[small breach]

picture of the whole ship btw

[elfin venture]

roughly
I don't think there'd be too much of an issue with hyper efficiency being at 54%

[small breach]

ye

[tired vapor]

i thought the green was the selection ui lol

[small breach]

probs last time i ask, anything to improve paintwise?

oh wait i didn't bump resolution did i

hold on

i did but whatever here is 400% res

i don't want to know what i did good i just want to know what i did badly

[tired vapor]

i keep thinking u r going to show ur armor optimziation w/ the selection boxes

[small breach]

good, that means it worked

[elfin venture]

imo there's too much white through the middle but its p. minor

[small breach]

like beetween the rails? i can swap that out for the dark green

[elfin venture]

no, next to them
between the rails is fine

[small breach]

well too late i already changed up the middle of the rails, i don't think i'll change up the white structural support much because it's kinda the main thing of the ship

[small breach]

anyways with sadekivi done, i have no idea what to do for the zombie railfan

[lament skiff]

ball weaver

[toxic ocean]

That's a mega cool orbiter.

[tired vapor]

oops i forgot reverse

\👍

[lament skiff]

epic

[past bramble]

do we need reverse?

since there is magic omni thrust

[wispy vigil]

monothrust all the way

[lament skiff]

Yes ai goes cringe mode without some

[mortal cave]

You probably might need more but whatever

[tired vapor]

@mortal cave is there going to be a walt's pick

[tired vapor]

paint wip but i need a name

also updated all my ships (again)

333,666 exactly for agrihand

[desert trail]

thanks, just need to do some painting now....

[toxic ocean]

Waaait a second, there's a rule on not having parts with airlock access only.

Hyperdrive on right ship.

[tired vapor]

ai will stop to do ftl

@mortal cave is this ok?

[mortal cave]

I'll provide an example of what that means:

If a laser exists, the crew should be able to draw a line from the laser to a reactor

[tired vapor]

yes, but is it ok for ftl specifically? as crew will never be left behind by ai usage of ftl

[mortal cave]

I'm gonna say no

[tired vapor]

why not tohugh

[lament skiff]

wouldn’t the ship just not function? Or can crew actually take batteries into space?

[tired vapor]

in most cases, the crew would just get left behind

however, for ftl specifically, they will not, as the ai is incapable of scheduling a jump and moving at the same time

[novel coyote]

nothing is assigned to the hyperdrive btw

also crew are left behind when it jumps

well depending on how many are assigned to it ig

[lament skiff]

Crew dont need to be assigned to it iirc

[novel coyote]

the reactor does

[lament skiff]

Dont think so either

ai usually only jumps once iirc

[novel coyote]

Im in game testing it rn, it does

[lament skiff]

you’re piloting it yourself

we’re talking about the enemies that spawn into career

[novel coyote]

why is it different?

[lament skiff]

Because the AI doesn’t leave the system

It jumps in then stays there, they don’t jump a second time

That’s why built ins dont have hyperium storage

[novel coyote]

how does that work then

will they just do that even if they're not tchnically capable of performing a hyperjump normally?

[lament skiff]

well they have to be capable of performing one jump

not two

[novel coyote]

ships should be able to perform a hyperjump when controlled by the player too though just in case someone decides to build it in their run, right?

[bronze citrus]

the hyperdrives still have to be functional im pretty sure just for forward compatibility and general gameplay reasons

yes that too

career ships should always still function when player controlled

[novel coyote]

Agrihand as it is now will not make a jump

[lament skiff]

Idk

When i make ships i literally just slap hyperdrives to get to 20% or higher and put doors on them

[tired vapor]

oops i forgot to assign the reactor

[novel coyote]

anyway I made this little guy

and I think I'll submit this

[lament skiff]

10/10

[flint abyss]

i need to make ships T.T i'll start tomorrow i guess