design contest chat

[strange mango]

its a shame i lost the majority of the ships i made in my first year playing

[toxic ocean]

RIP.

Have you made any actual ships though?

You're mostly known for artworks.

[strange mango]

i have, but not resently

and most normal ships i made where never shared on the discord

[vernal lance]

I thought you gave up when you completed soltron in half of a week

[toxic ocean]

Nah.

I had all the ships made for the Jan 2024 contest, too bad somebody had to mess with the upload deadline time frame that was fine enough as it was

[past bramble]

It was the same as oct contest tho

[vernal lance]

jeez just submit it next time

[wispy vigil]

At this point nick's doing it intentionally

[late zenith]

you can just use those for next time

[toxic ocean]

I don't enjoy reusing stuff.

Those ships have sailed.

||😏||

[strange mango]

votes close in 24 hours

[slow axle]

aaaa

[strange mango]

for transparancy sake, i may have forgoten to turn on 'limit too one answer' on the first vote round, but you would have to had to understud "nog een andword verzenden" to realise that, and the chance that any of the 12 people that voted also speak dutch is rather small, my vote forms always have had some dutch default text so its also not very likely someone used google translate. just in case i rechecked all the votes and i cant find any suggestion this got abused. i dont think its needed but if enough people want a revote i will do so

[slow axle]

How did these tie

[slow axle]

I ummm i don't understands the issue?
Been too long i forgot how voting happened

[strange mango]

basically it was posible for people to vote more than once (which is not intended), but you would have to have read dutch to know this so i dont think its a problem

[slow axle]

I remember voting for multiple people

Werent we had 3 votes?

[strange mango]

3 votes was intentional, but you could use the vote link over and over, but you needed to read the dutch to know this was posible

[slow axle]

Ohh

Oh gosh i get it

[strange mango]

i am about 99.9% sure this didnt happen, i checked the votes carefully and nothing sticks out as suspicious

[slow axle]

@strange mango I think votes on each submissions being stacked as one is a flaw because it gives an unfair advantage to those submit multiple ships

Besides, i think all winner did a great job on their ship

Execpt corpo because idk i have them blocked

[elfin venture]

why do you have corpo blocked again

[strange mango]

fair point, but the alternative was splitting up the commission and that would also effect the votes they would get, not to mention give them 2 shots at winning spots. in the future ill consider adding a rule thats either "everyone gets one ship" or "everyone get X amount ships"

[vernal lance]

it's either two options
a. """r2, 7, 8"""
b. trying and failing to defend their point that remaking classic ships and posting it to sotd is "you are a dumb dumb poop shitty"

maybe c. a and b

I like leaning on b though

any questions?

[toxic ocean]

Monarch of the Stars should've won ;-;

Usually the community prefers originality over raw paint quality (As seen with False Relay winning january 2024 DC), so surprised that this one went so differently, as one ship is both extremely high quality AND original, whilst another is only really high quality.

And let me bring back the meekoz favouritism theory back again!!!1!1!

Mate's on 60% SotD winrate already.

GGs though @grizzled sequoia

[vernal lance]

double sub definitely swayed it alot

[toxic ocean]

Seraphim is really spectacular even despite my opinions on the winner.

[toxic ocean]

Yeah but one of the ships wasn't even really made for the contest, right?

Just an old remake ship of Fenrir.

[vernal lance]

amory

[toxic ocean]

Discount Alamgir

[vernal lance]

amory¡

[vernal lance]

long alamgir

[toxic ocean]

Call it Alongir :>

[strange mango]

id argue a biblically acurate angel is pretty original for a ship consept. and i think big ship bias also played a factor here

for those unaware, this is a biblically acurate angel:

https://tenor.com/view/cherub-biblically-accurate-angel-biblically-accurate-angels-biblically-accurate-angels-animation-gif-25767809

[toxic ocean]

Yeah I guess the theming is pretty original, but the theming itself isn't THAT visible in the ship, it's a big box.

Meanwhile monarch of the stars IS a butterfly.

Trust me it would't be 1% as cool if it was a big diagonal box with butterfly coloration.

[strange mango]

the big ship bias might have been more powerful than the anti box bias? in the end the reason it won is because it got the majority of votes and unless everyone who voted for it explains why we cant know much more than that

[deft kayak]

I voted for seraphim supreme in the tiebreaker, it was close between that and monarch but I just think the feather pattern and overall paint on seraphim is better

Very close obv, it was a hard choice

[past bramble]

i remembered seraphim and forgot the butterfly is monarch

[slow axle]

Add a pic of the ship during voting to prevent the bias of dumbness

[strange mango]

the save file is meant to serve that purpose, but i think i can add images to google docs

[grizzled sequoia]

wow, i won, now what

[strange mango]

you won a free pixel art commision from me, dm me a referece image (or multiple) of a character you want be to draw and ill get to work, i may occationally provide wips to ask for your feedback. artwork can either be a cosmoteer .ship or a standard .png depending on your preference

[toxic ocean]

This is how one accepts a contest victory? That's how you know they've won stuff far too many times.

Jokes aside GG

[toxic ocean]

Is it just a character, don't you draw landscape arts too?

Oh by the way that scene from Knight in the Panther's Skin you drew is still one of the coolest things I've seen in the game.

[strange mango]

oh, you are right, landscapes, or, more exactly, backgrounds, are available options. second place gets a simple background and first gets a more detailed one (though this is more due to the resolution than anything else)

third place would get one but theres not many pixels to work with so it would look like a 1 by 1 minecraft painting behind the character

[vernal lance]

ever heard of ion logic

[toxic ocean]

Yes.

[vernal lance]

iirc they made a calculator too

[grizzled sequoia]

I just don't really know how to express myself, and with how bad I'm at English just made it even worse, lol

[toxic ocean]

Welp, like I said, it is still one of the coolest things I've seen in the game.

[vernal lance]

competition too tough, might do a kaine

[toxic ocean]

Type three dots everywhere and your ships despite looking only half-decent will get in at least a high enough rating that they'll get in the built-ins.

Strategy sponsored by Kaine the Universal Hoarder®️

[flint abyss]

you mean leaving ?

[vernal lance]

what do you think

[flint abyss]

XD sorry, it's just i don't see kaine around right now

[vernal lance]

I could definitely make several alt accounts to avalanche my votes with and get dc banned

[flint abyss]

he... did that ?

[vernal lance]

no

at least I don't think so

[flint abyss]

oh, you scared me for a moment

[vernal lance]

I think it was alot of people solely voting for him which looked ultra suspicious

I could emulate that with alts

[flint abyss]

lmao, when was it ? i don't think it was one i participated

[slow axle]

Last

[flint abyss]

so yeah, i wasn't there

shame

[vernal lance]

you were busy being dead, yeah

[flint abyss]

well, iirc, it was the period when i was passing my driving license

[vernal lance]

did you pass

[flint abyss]

yes

it was last december

and january i was busy trying to seriously starting to make a game.
i'm lazy at it though

[desert trail]

wondering, do you think perhaps for the next ship contest we can make cargo ships?

[flint abyss]

oh please, i would live it !

[novel coyote]

that would be cool

[late zenith]

yes

[simple valve]

me, with a ton of monolith civilians Umm sure why not

[desert trail]

probibly factionless ones, like the last contest

independint shipers

[simple valve]

Hmm that would still be really good

[desert trail]

yep

[lament skiff]

for an unofficial one that would be cool

But all the official ones are supposed to be combat ships im pretty sure

[elfin venture]

they are
but who knows
maybe there could be something like an independent freighter and its combat ship, and the challenge becomes destroying the freighter to get lots of resources while avoiding the combat ship

[late zenith]

I thought about making that combo honestly

[flint abyss]

to be unfair, all of my cargo ships has weapons

[toxic ocean]

I wanted to see a station contest so much 😔

There isn't even Kaine active to steal the competition with the power of nepotism.

[desert trail]

i dident even think about stations, thats a realy good idea

[late zenith]

I actually haven't tried making stations yet

[desert trail]

with the stations, you also culd have custum defence platforms

[late zenith]

yeah

[simple valve]

fringe stations so that the lore actually makes sense

and/or pirate ones

[late zenith]

custom pirate stations would be dope

[flint abyss]

you say that, but even as a friend i didn't vote for him in some DC because there was better

i'm really bad friend

[vernal lance]

defense platform contest

[oak plaza]

You know Nick, this is why I'm inactive...
I know its a joke for you, but this is fucking me up real bad you know...

I try to forget about it even though its such a shitty deal, I'm not at fault and I'm the one being punished without a clue who the fuck is the others that voted for me...

It even hits me hard because you call it nepotism, bro I dont even have friends to do this shit with...
And the one fucking support I had made this a huge fight that I dont even know if shes there for me anymore...

sorry for the rant even though it was ages ago but fuck, Ill carry this shit to the grave man if I dont push it out...

just stop name calling me man, I'm just tired of it...

[flint abyss]

oh god, the legendary man himself is here

shit, what i said don't help

[oak plaza]

nah, you arent there to see it...

[flint abyss]

from what i heard, well congratulation in making great ships

[oak plaza]

I said myself that I will quit defending myself because no one is listening but hey...
Here I am again for fuck sake...

[oak plaza]

welp thats the end of it anyways, the moment I open the game or even see a ship or this discord I get reminded of some PTSD shit that it gets me on my nerves...

So I will say that I aint coming back to Cosmo anytime soon or not at all, good for others thats one guy down anyways, so yea great stuff...

Anyways I just lurked but this is starting to get on me again, I better go now before I make a 500 word long essay on this channel, I need to focus on my research myself and thinking of this is not helping, see you next time I guess if there is still one...

[flint abyss]

i hope one day you'll be able to come back so we can participate to a DC again together

[vernal lance]

another fil down

[toxic ocean]

I'm sorry if my kidding around felt offensive to you, I had absolutely none of that in mind.

I really don't have any negative feelings towards you or any of your creations (Even though I find them winning SotD almost every time to be very silly. That is all Walt though) and you're a nice guy.

[oak plaza]

you are overestimating me much, not every SOTD submission I made made the cut brother...

[flint abyss]

you were tactical in your sotd submissions XD

[simple valve]

Still convinced that official contest voting should be ingame, not just to counter (possible) cheating, but to also let the player look at the ships easily and also to reach out to all cosmoteer players

[vernal lance]

how would it be implemented in-game though?

[open stag]

You already get notifs in game when the game updates, just reuse some of the code

[simple valve]

Maybe the save with the ships could be sent along with the tournament/update messages and the voting could be using similar code as the in game feedback

You could either have a save with all the ships or something like the career starter ship selection with a playtest button next to them

[toxic ocean]

Sorry if this ''necroposting'' or something, but...

When next DC

I want to redeem myself. ||Hopefully now that I have half a dozen clocks in my vicinity my time management will be marginally less shitty||

[wispy vigil]

just live in a clock,

[toxic ocean]

You have no idea how much I'd like to, mister ᏚᎪ ɥʇɐʌ 工Ꮇღø尺匕Ѧﾚ 😔

[desert trail]

can i ping you evry day to remind you?

[toxic ocean]

No need.

[strange mango]

i have plans for my next unofficial contest to be about noncombat ships and stations, but i dont know when it will be yet.

first i want to finish the winners artworks from last contest, which is proving dificult as im struggling with motivation, one of the tell tale signs of an art block (for those unaware its basically artist burnout, ill be ok, it just means i gotta be carefull not to overdo it)

[toxic ocean]

We know what an art block is...

At least I do lol xd

Wish you luck Blake.

[strange mango]

ive had one before that nearly lasted a year, i know what got me into that one and ill be sure to do what i can not to get in that situation again

[wispy vigil]

when i get the art block ,i just keep going

[desert trail]

when new contest

[slow axle]

When ready

[desert trail]

https://tenor.com/view/suspiriaangel-suspiria-angel-monkey-news-gif-24806015

[toxic ocean]

When time is nigh 🫡

[wind isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1030362806836543519/1109070115506495488/togif.gif

[lament skiff]

the time should be nigh now imo

[strange mango]

if thers no official contest by next month, i might host an unofficial contest in june. currently waiting for the go ahead from the architects/dev team. the price artwork should also be finished by then if i keep up my current progress speed

art prices will probably be nerfed again, im considering limiting it to cartoon/anime characters, as im the most comfortable drawing with line art based styles. and while drawing out of my comfort zone can be fun, it can also be rather stressful if its meant to be a price, as that sets the bar in my mind very high

tl:dr: probably june, might nerf art prices again so i dont over stress myself every contest

[toxic ocean]

Absolutely, last year we had one in January and then in April.

[flint abyss]

wait, there were prices ?
i participated in those DCs just for fun without knowing there were fricking prices !

blake, you don't need to have prices, as my dumb ass doesn't seem to care

[strange mango]

yea, the last couple unofficial contests had prices in the form of free pixel art, as it didnt sit right with me to offer nothing at all to the winners, but i appreciate knowing that you join the contest just for the fun of it.

[desert trail]

wait you make art?

i didint even relise that

[novel coyote]

How come everyone is spelling it 'price'

Is it not prize?

[distant mesa]

It’s prize, I think everyone universally decided price was the new spelling here

[vernal lance]

dyxlesia

humans are just weird i dunno

[toxic ocean]

''You won the contest? Oh you will pay the PRICE!''

[toxic ocean]

Very weird.

[open stag]

@slow axle, are we allowed to change crew roles/assignments?
Also resource assignments as well.

[slow axle]

Why would you need to? By principle i'm gonna answer no. Because moving quarters is not allowed.

[open stag]

The Nuke module crew are not assigned to said nuke launchers, so they leave to operate the ammo factories

Changing crew assignments doesn't move the crew quarters tho...

[vernal lance]

when reading goes wrong

[slow axle]

Oh i see. If you are not moving quarters you are allowed to change crew assignments (mainly because that is my own mistake)
Guess i will need to upload a new version. Not to be too late i kinda rushed the design to be honest.

That will be minor edits

[simple valve]

This one is very interesting

Shame we can't slightly edit the ship since a lot of my ship designs rely on the shape of the armor but whatever

[past bramble]

I really do not like certain aspect of the ship

I have to figure out how to mask some these awkward features

[vernal lance]

use your darkest colored paint layer

[simple valve]

Proceeds to erase half the ship

[past bramble]

Its the bow of the ship the ship that i dont like

[toxic ocean]

@slow axle Cool idea for a contest, I always wanted something like that.

[desert trail]

were ship file lol

[slow axle]

A "logistics fixed" patch just dropped. I may have built this ship during the whole month of april i did some minor errors and omit a few doors.
The google doc has been updated for those who haven't dowloaded the ship yet.

[slow axle]

The ship file (or the save) can be downloaded inside the doc

[desert trail]

oke

can we name the ship?

[slow axle]

You can rename it.

[desert trail]

yeyey

[quasi thistle]

so the contest idea is painting a special ship?

[desert trail]

ye

[vernal lance]

time to win first place just to fuck with snow

ok nevermind im unblocked

time to win first place

[quasi thistle]

Oh hello, long time didnt see you, if I remember correctly you are paragon?

[toxic ocean]

Who, corpo?

XD

[median patio]

April contest in May

Hell yeah!

[slow axle]

The contest was planned to start last month 😅

[past bramble]

Corpo paragon lmao

[quasi thistle]

:D he was trolled by this name, for about 2-3 months 6-7 people called him paragon xD

[strange mango]

if you want i can pin this so its easier to find later on

[slow axle]

Nah i don't think it's necessary. I updated the doc rather early so i doubt many peoples downloaded the original without seeing this one.
But do so if your guts tell otherwise

[flint abyss]

wait, what are the rules ?

or more like, what is the theme ? or is it a free for all ?

[desert trail]

paint the ship in your style basicly,

[elfin venture]

where is this doc?

[open stag]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeI_lZR6wE0VRYESZ65MJNeBWshngusBk6W9fFOWl0I/edit?usp=sharing

[elfin venture]

ah thanks
"unconventional and difficult to paint" if you want something difficult to paint then get a box with a ton of random-ish holes in it

[quasi thistle]

something like this?

those parts are literally the same and have holes between, making creating a paint for this that wont be just copy+paste difficult

[elfin venture]

i don't see why you wouldn't copy-paste there

[quasi thistle]

thats what I did

[elfin venture]

thats why i said "random-ish" because you can't copypaste when each hole is offset randomly

pretty much any pvp ship is also a good example of things that are hard to paint

[quasi thistle]

well, not alpha ships

[elfin venture]

those are also hard to paint

[quasi thistle]

those usually very compressed

had nearly no problems painting those, I have more but here is the hardest to paint I got

actually the smallest DC ship took me a hour of painting so it could look so cool

its even got shadows

fixed shadows a bit, just saw that mistake

[elfin venture]

im unsure as to which ships were the hardest to paint for me

downfall was mostly just sheer size

photoviscerator's armour was hard to work with

unionist was tricky but upon looking at it it wasn't as hard as the others

and the flesh ship style is hard

[slow axle]

@flint abyss @elfin venture All revalent informations are found in #events

[elfin venture]

oh right

i keep forgetting that channel exists

[vernal lance]

might do something funny though I don't know if I could execute it well

[flint abyss]

me too

[toxic ocean]

#events is a Schrodinger's channel.

[median patio]

just a heads up, the ship file on the doc (the link) does not work

[slow axle]

Discord links can get outdated? It worked when i updated it, and peoples were able to download it.
I guess a temporary solution would be to check everydays and update it if it cannot load, but next time i will likely not use discord attachements files

[grizzled sequoia]

can i paint it this way? this basically sculpting technique but with different propostion from cabal

[flint abyss]

you can paint it in whatever way you want as far as i know

[grizzled sequoia]

oh nevermind, just reread the rules

[toxic ocean]

Why would you NOT be allowed to? Any style is welcome I'm pretty certain.

I'd try my signature triple layer fade style but the ship's weird shape doesn't really support it.

[grizzled sequoia]

I thought u need to use original technique

[slow axle]

Painting it in any of the faction styles is not allowed, and original techniques are heavily encouraged.

[slow axle]

It does not use the iconic cabal curves & deep shadows. However some parts look somewhat close to a variation. You should be fine with some edits (that quite on the border in my opinion)

[toxic ocean]

It's Oxidizin' time!

Oh by the way @slow axle how far does the "you aren't allowed to modify the shape" limitation goes? Are you not allowed to replace a singular structure piece or put a light in the armour?

[slow axle]

I will allow lights as it's technically not a change in the physical structure, however additional structures pieces are definitively not allowed.

[toxic ocean]

Understandable. So we're allowed to replace armour with corridor for better texture too?

[slow axle]

No, i wish lights had the health points of 1x1 armor
You are allowed the change armor weaving though if that help

[elfin venture]

oh hey xsnow i think i might have an outdated file of the ship

one of the ERs is not manned

[slow axle]

The on-date shipfile is here

This one should be fine

[elfin venture]

aight

thank you

[tired vapor]

yes, keep same mass too and u have ul armor

expensive ul armor

[deft kayak]

where is the ship file for the current paint contest?

the one in the google doc doesn't work

neither does the saved game

@slow axle

i found the ship file by scrolling up here, nvm

still should probably update the doc

[slow axle]

Ugh, i'm aware of this issue and it's a big one.
I shouldn't have put trust in discord as file host like i was told to

I'm looking for alternatives but i'd ideally not use google drive and imgur does not work for shipfiles

[slow axle]

I resigned to use drive. Updated the doc and hopefully for a permanent length this time

[novel coyote]

are the role colors meant to look like this?

[elfin venture]

im a qperatqr and i have the body structure of a Mii with no chest

[novel coyote]

Qperatqr seems to be invisible and Storage helper is glowing brighter than the sun

[slow axle]

Yes, these are mine and i cheated the gamefile to have fancy colors
They are not dedicated to ashton either

[novel coyote]

oh ok, i thought it might be some kind of unintentional bug

[elfin venture]

Storage helpers be like

[slow axle]

If you look closer, mechanic helpers are also radiating darkness

[elfin venture]

i thought that was just my vision being bad

[novel coyote]

interesting how both the submissions so far have 2 colors that are so similar they almost look like they only have 3 paint layers

[vernal lance]

I feel like stealing reflections paint and copying that style into the contest

[elfin venture]

isn't that xsnow's style though

xsnow is literally hosting this so that would not be a good idea

[late zenith]

this ship file is so inherently cursed that having crew colors like this really just added to the whole idea of a completely scuffed ship. To illustrate the point, even with its combination of high dps weapons this ship can actually lose to the Enforcer, one of the oldest and weakest Monolith ships in the 1.5 mil section. Thankfully, we're not being judged based on fights this thing can survive.

[vernal lance]

eh, if all goes to shit I'll just use my stellarchitects scheme

something to fall onto if the paint is inevitably rejected

[toxic ocean]

It isn't a default faction style though 😏😏😏😏

[novel coyote]

does this look too much like imperium to be accepted?

its the default palette btw

[desert trail]

not really, it might look a bit more imperiumistic then mine due to the colors tho

looks cool so far

[lament skiff]

Doesn’t really look like imper to me

[novel coyote]

ok great

[toxic ocean]

It doesn't, I love the harsh contrast by the way, it looks awesome.

[toxic ocean]

OHHH I just realised this is very close to the default Colour Scheme that's automatically assigned to a ship by default!

I always wanted to challenge myself by painting with it.

[late zenith]

I did a watered down version of the default colour scheme for Paintscraper once, I thought it properly conveyed the "this is the first system rival" kind of feel

[inner basalt]

I helped my friend submit his work (he doesn't have a discord account) but I figured I should be able to submit another design of my own?

[vernal lance]

yes

that has been the convention ever since yugi started to help post other ccc people's ship for contest participation

[inner basalt]

OK,thanks

[slow axle]

As long you have the author consent and make a clear statement in the submission that it's not your own design, it's all good.

[inner basalt]

OK thanks

[slow axle]

I won't be there all day so if anyone have a problem or need clarification you would need to wait till tomorrow.

[toxic ocean]

Oh absolutely, Proxy submissions have been a thing since April of 2023 if I'm sure.

[inner basalt]

But I don't have any ideas of painting that ship yet

That ship is really different

[deft kayak]

I have a cool idea but idk if I'll be able to finish by the deadline

[slow axle]

I'm back

[toxic ocean]

in time to the first Thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu

[desert trail]

who has thanks giving in may?

usa?

or am i just confuseing myself

[elfin venture]

nick is just referencing a movie lol

[desert trail]

oke

[novel coyote]

how is is the winner going to be decided for this contest?

[slow axle]

Votes

If everything goes smoothly

[toxic ocean]

THAT'S RIGHT!

we go back in time to the first Thanksgiving to get turkeys, off, THE MENU!

---

OK I'll stop littering the chat, I'm sorry.

[desert trail]

oh that moveie, the funny thing is that people still eat the turkys, just not for thanksgiving

task failed successfully

[toxic ocean]

Yup.

[toxic ocean]

Quick question @slow axle why is this ER permanently off?

[toxic ocean]

I used this ship because it's the most recent.

[slow axle]

It is not, reload the ship one or twice and it'll magically disappear
When i checked this, it's an operator crew issue i couldn't notice because it's random. If that too annoying feel free to change the crew assignments.

Suppliers have no issues by the way. The ship sustain.

[simple valve]

Does reset crew not work?

[open stag]

It does, but if you have to do that, you might as well just fix the crew assignments

[slow axle]

Get well soon @strange mango

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546229904488923145/1231802001692823572/ezgif-3-a81a19bf7e.gif

[strange mango]

thank you, i will be fine, it will just take a lot of time

[slow axle]

Happy to learn it's not life threatening at least!

[slow axle]

I sadly won't be available the majority of tomorrow and not when the deadline drop.
I still wanted to share my "submission" (because how dare I to create the contest of my dreams without doing something while following it's rules) i won't actually submit for obvious reasons--

Good luck to all participants! <3

[deft kayak]

i hope i can finish in time xd

[median patio]

I finished mine a month ago was just waiting to post it lol

[desert trail]

i think i did mine of like the first day

[toxic ocean]

I tried doing mine but the unique style of mine (gigafades on layer 0) doesn't work well on diagonals.

I think it's high time I invent a style and paint in a day, because I sure do be good at that.

[toxic ocean]

Trying to do something with le copper now. I wanna do a cool thing where one of the heads is super refined and mechanical whilst the other one is completely taken over by the random weirdness of rust.

[deft kayak]

ooh that'll be really cool

I'm doing a similar thing where the prongs use different paint styles

[toxic ocean]

I percieve this ship as two lateral ones stuck together by a mad scientist, so that's what I'm doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtf8YFw8iZg This song really inspired me to do something like this.

Minecraft OST has no rights being this good.

[wind isle]

its lena raine. it does.

[toxic ocean]

Well yeah, but in my opinion it's leaps and bounds ahead of both Pigstep and Otherside. Both of them are bops, but Creator isn't just a bop. It's a genuine masterpiece that gives me chills.

But yeah you're right, it does have rights being this good.

[wind isle]

i meant non-minecraft soundtracks from her such as celeste OST, pigstep (insaneintherain remix collab) and more

[toxic ocean]

Pigstep is non-minecraft soundtrack?

And celeste is Rena's? Cool.

[wind isle]

that version is not on the soundtrack

[toxic ocean]

Huh okay.

[slow axle]

I think it's high time I invent a style
See, i'm glad to hear that because it's exactly what i aimed for with this contest. But please don't overwork yourself

[deft kayak]

i'm doing a style that i'm fairly sure i invented

[toxic ocean]

Which one, the chains?

[deft kayak]

nah that was normal fade work

i'm using a style (and a scheme bc they work together really well) of exactly 1 ship (or exactly 4 ships) i've made previously

[elfin venture]

the worst thing about this design contest is that every time someone submits something i start to save it and then remember they're all the same ship

[deft kayak]

i mean ships can be worth saving for their paint

[slow axle]

@deft kayak You are technically three hours late to the deadline but i'm gonna close my eye on this one because i couldn't attend and make a clear statement.

[toxic ocean]

Welp, I didn't finish the copper thingy in time, oh well.

[toxic ocean]

I guess I'll at least post the unfinished project, it was turning out pretty good 😔

[small breach]

now i'm thinking the only reason you cannot make it in time for design contests is because you keep making to ironic not to make it in time

[elfin venture]

the laws of irony forever bar nick from contests

[toxic ocean]

If only any of it was intentional ;-;

I unfortunately can't guarantee though and there is more than 0% chance that it's intentional.

[deft kayak]

The Google doc said midnight of the 10th utc

So I thought I was 21 hours early

Thank you for letting it be submitted though

[slow axle]

I will keep in mind to not put the deadline at a ambiguous timestamp. It won't happen again 😅

But the deadline was indeed set to the night of the 9 to 10 june 2024

[slow axle]

I was about to take a nap but then i remembered the votes end now

[deft kayak]

ayy

[toxic ocean]

Finally, something that Meekoz didn't win.

GGs @deft kayak, deserved!

Your ship has such a cool Van Gogh/Edvard Munch painting vibe.

[deft kayak]

Thanks, I really should paint more in that style

[desert trail]

its an epic style

i wounder if we can do a cargo ship desigin contest now.....

[median patio]

Congratulations pistonloop and meekoz!!!!

[grizzled sequoia]

In my defense, I did it half-heartedly, after I finished dainsleif, I actually wanna try to paint it zerg or junji Ito's Uzumaki, but i thought it was too much effort with a little time left, so I came back with volcano theme just my lame excuse lol

[grizzled sequoia]

congratz, I knew your ship gonna win

[toxic ocean]

It is still good, says a lot when a half-hearted ship is good enough to get a second place.

In hindsight I'm mostly just envyous of your skill 😅

[small elm]

We should have a not finished in time competition just for you Nick. You'd win by a country mile.

[toxic ocean]

The theme of next unofficial CC must be "make a nick actually post a submission in time challenge."

Okie dokie let's see LE TRACK RECORD:

[simple valve]

the CC ends right after you post your submission

[small elm]

"I've submitted my entry for the.... Ahh balls I've lost."

[toxic ocean]

January last year, barely submitted on last day on which I woke up at 8AM to finalise all the kinks and optimize.

April last year, I submitted on last day which I woke up at 7AM to finalise all the kinks and optimize (Still couldn't finish)

Blake's unofficial: I had 3 months, I did 99% work on the last week, submitted a couple hours late, got burnt out to death.

October last year, I actually betrayed myself and worked healthily, probably because we only had to do one 1.5mil ship.

January this year, I thought I'd do what I did January last year by waking up early, but it ended at 9AM that day instead of some 4PM like Blake did it and I... Made 3 perfect fine entries that could've easily won for NOTHING

[toxic ocean]

Exactly.

[bronze citrus]

Im sure i didnt help for a couple of those XD

With my day before deadline finishes

[toxic ocean]

Would it be rude to just say "When design contest" again?

Vilda seems to have left so I'm not sure who'll be hosting it though.

[lament skiff]

i concur

[desert trail]

related to that, can it be a cargo ship one?

a space station one with 3 platforms would also be cool

[late zenith]

I like those ideas

[inner basalt]

I also want to ask this tbh...

[slow axle]

I am planning to host an unofficial one in august. I strongly agree that we need more.
Blake cannot currently host because of medical reasons and the architects seemingly left the ship

[bronze citrus]

i actually had a pretty cool idea for a design contest. the contest involves 5 ships of any size, but the main idea is it has to be a cohesive faction. you would get points for actual lore, a faction profile, and other stuff along those lines, not just ship aesthetics/functionality. it would be almost half a writing contest and not just a ship design contest

strongly encouraged to be a new faction not one that you already have

[lament skiff]

based

[small breach]

woah saris was typing here, new design contest host potentially? (edit: nvm edit2: or not, hm)

[mortal cave]

I could host a mini contest for lore writing, in the mean time? The cabal tradeships I made are loreless presently

[small breach]

a mini contest for lore would be epic but would also probably be the hardest for me since i have no idea how to write lore

[mortal cave]

I'm considering and planning that, but am busy for an undertaking like that for the current week or two

[oak plaza]

Im Still Banned...

[small breach]

welll i'd assume you can still take part in unofficial ones

[oak plaza]

Nah, some people will still think Im cheating even though I don't in any DCs I will be joining...
So I will not...

||Now Im starting to get salty again who the fuck is that 4 guys, and really to get banned because 4 people wanted to vote my ships...||

[tired vapor]

what

[desert trail]

he got disqualified for having a suspicious amount of votes, i think. the problum too is theres no way to tell who did the votes, so it ether could have been frends who liked the ships, or overly zealous people spaming votes to make it look like he used alt acounts.

i think thats more or less the jist of it, but not entirly sure

[tired vapor]

where? officially??

[desert trail]

mostly this chat i think, but it looks like there also were a few mesages about in in general at one point.
its an absolute tragity too, because he's one of the best ship bulders

[tired vapor]

did he get officially banned, by an architect?

if so, can you find the original message saying he is banned

[desert trail]

https://discordapp.com/channels/314103695568666625/1059084974655033415/1205798695505764402,
it looks like it might have been vilda?

its realy hard to actualy find mutch

on the other hand nick keeps forgting to submit his ships, and basicly gets disqalified for that....
also sad too, since he also has good ships

[toxic ocean]

That's how official DCs went back in classic (Except it was 3 ships instead of 5), that's how we got the Harvest and the squid boys.

[toxic ocean]

I mean nothing is stopping you from asking 50 relatives and friends to vote for you, it's Google forms and does not require you to be on the server.

But that's just the pinnacle of unsportsmanhood

[lusty ruin]

kinda wish i could side with pirates in career

[desert trail]

when faction aliances presumibly get added, i am going fringe all the way

[tired vapor]

fringe :vomit: i would do whoever is fighting cabal so i don't need to salvage 5 billion ammo

[oak plaza]

But you can just look at the names of the gforms and see if they are...

Like you really think one would ask relatives to vote for your ships...

I don't even talk to anyone about Cosmoteer...

[oak plaza]

I agree that shit is scummy, that's why I'm mad I'm being labelled like one when at most there where 6 votes to me, which one is mine, the other is for my girlfriend...

Who the fuck is the other 4, and is that 4 really that heavy to grant a ban...

Fuck, I was meaning to not bring this shit up again but I'm getting heated again...

[tired vapor]

where di you get banned

[oak plaza]

Here, by Vilda...

[tired vapor]

can u find the message

[oak plaza]

Grant already did...
Back read a couple messages from now...

[bronze citrus]

i think you should just drop it kaine. not many people care about the incident anymore and you constantly bringing it up only reminds people of it

[oak plaza]

Okay, Me, Calm...
Me, Not, Talk...

I'll just try not to read shit here, I wouldn't be in a DC afterall...

[bronze citrus]

if you really think that you didnt do it, you should privately explain the situation and your point of view to a moderator

[tired vapor]

can we not just discord verify everyone and use a bot to vote

it would be easier anyways

*for the voter

the worst part of voting is needing to go back and forth between discord, the game, and the voting form (which is just a billion text options you need to search for every time)

[mortal cave]

I was thinking that I was going to, moving forward, either have a poll in tournament announcements, or everyone can react with an in the ship submissions thread and go off of that

[tired vapor]

yes, and require a .ship file, the interior and exterior screenshot tool files, and a custom glory shot for every submission

would make voting much easier and quicker

[desert trail]

indeed

[toxic ocean]

I feel like it might not actually be a good idea because some people might become lazy and don't scroll up high enough to see other ships.

Also, what would be stopping them from upvoting everything?

Aren't you supposed to have 3 or 5 votes?

[desert trail]

3 i think

[mortal cave]

Why are you 'supposed' to have limited votes

[tired vapor]

no, what happens is people are too lazy to load every ship in game and switch between 3 windows and memorizing names so they just vote for random stuff that sounds cool

[toxic ocean]

You are not " 'supposed' " to have limited votes, it's just that's how we've been doing it for years.
Moreover, infinite votes will make all the results much closer and much more ties will happen. Upvotes can be as easily removed as placed, thus it'll be very easy to mess up the final evaluation..... etc.

[toxic ocean]

I don't remember that ever happening, almost always things have been voted out of quality.

Plus, not like they can't scroll the submission channel which... Trivialises the point I guess.

[lament skiff]

i think infinite votes is a worse decision from a voter mentality standpoint, but it also depends on the exact format, number of winners, etc

if i had infinite votes, my thought process would definitely switch from “wow that is one of the coolest ships here” to “eh cool enough i guess upvote”

I think it would dissuade people from looking as closely at each submission and there would be an even greater advantage to your average super bright colors-sculpted ships because big shiny ship catches the eye

[mortal cave]

It would however make it easiest to determine what the most popular ship is, as everyone that likes a ship can make that clear. However, there still is the alternative that is polls, which are also not possible to be tampered with retroactively. But that only offers one choice, of course

[lament skiff]

my thought was to have an ingame thing so only 1 vote/set of votes per steam account and more votes in total

i dont think walt would add something in but i cant imagine it would be a hard mod to create?

[grizzled whale]

steam news can be displayed in game, idk if steam can do polls, but if it can that'd solve the problem

[lament skiff]

I doubt walt would push a steam thing for a dc

[toxic ocean]

Is it that much less important than a minor update?

[tired vapor]

the announcements at least don't even need an update afaik

or it's practically instant

like the in game announcement news

[lament skiff]

Not because the difficulty i just dont think walt would want to make a steam announcement just for a design contest

[lament skiff]

DC TIME

[desert trail]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@toxic ocean rember to post your ship before the 24th

actualy, shuld i ping you evry 3 days?

[lament skiff]

what’s new about the format? Or is it just the price categories?

[desert trail]

think mostly price,

in the past we've had a budget of 2M. and the other one was a 3 catigorys of 500K 1M and 2M i think

not entirely sure

any way.... time for me to spend sevral days trying to make a 2M mine orbiter.....

[lament skiff]

Based

[desert trail]

i do like mines as mutch as they pain me...

also it would be nice to have more then just 1 mine orbiter

[lament skiff]

i might make one, will have to see where the sparks of inspiration take me

I have two paint ideas, one will probably be an orbiter but not mines

no idea what the other will be weapon-wise

[toxic ocean]

On it boss-

Wait official DC for real?

Awesome!!

[tired vapor]

indeed

[toxic ocean]

I'm gonna try my best to knock this out of the park, I have so many awesome individual ideas.

[lament skiff]

🤝

I was semi-confident for the last DC but this time I am fully going for the win

[mortal cave]

There isn't a limited amount of winners this time round; only thing holding you back would be the quality of your ships :D

[desert trail]

on the last day i'll ping you evry 30 minutes if you haveint submited them lol

[lament skiff]

wdym?

is it just a pass/fail vote threshhold?

[mortal cave]

No one read the document did they

[toxic ocean]

Well you're gonna face a competition.

[desert trail]

i somewhat did

[tired vapor]

very cool, i like that the community winner and the architect votes are completely seperated now

i read the whole thing nad asked a billion questions D:

[toxic ocean]

I read it. I like how the price limits were raised to 2m
Previous individual tourney was 1.5mil

[lament skiff]

I did read but i guess i missed something

[tired vapor]

oops in the wrong chat

[lament skiff]

Oh i see my mistake

I assumed you were going to share voting details later but I see now what ‘ship drive’ means

[mortal cave]

I'll answer here

• Resources are part of the cost yes
• Mentions of indefinite muting are for futureproofing
• A deadline link isn't important, its essentially a matter of hours in a 4 week long competition. Just submit sooner
• In the event of a tie a new poll will be held for the highest rankers. If that ties then I would guess the role would be shared, but I don't think its likely to come up

And yes the main focus and hence the change in title is the new split voting system

[tired vapor]

would me optimizing someone's crew/walkway/whatever count as feedback or as collaboration? i would really like to not need to type out crew roles by text

[mortal cave]

The lines are grey. Don't push them, but I think they should be fine

[tired vapor]

very epic

[mortal cave]

Do note that one of the clauses is that Architects can modify ships however they wish, which will likely involve logistics and crew roles if its necessary

[tired vapor]

bc my thinking is is that i am not really adding anything into the "design" part of the contest

[mortal cave]

I agree

[tired vapor]

yes, i am fine with that (i will probably still make a #1023036219040464906 post w/ my version if they do that anyways)

anyways, thanks for hosting the contest, i like the rule changes

[lament skiff]

Is there a reason for the resources are part of cost change

[tired vapor]

anyways if anyone would like me to dm them at 2 am telling them the perfect logistics for the ship appeared to me in a dream, lmk

still sad that that happened to atlas and i didn't fix it in time :(

@mortal cave where is the past design contest submission changes chat

[desert trail]

hear i think, asuminge this is waht you want https://discordapp.com/channels/314103695568666625/1059085469708734515

[tired vapor]

i meant the thread where you can fix your previous submissions

[desert trail]

this one then, https://discordapp.com/channels/314103695568666625/1081651425999863949/1222662809997938849

[tired vapor]

yes, thanks

where is the part where it changes :(

[green mist]

i think im gonna make stuff for this one

[lament skiff]

Dew it

[green mist]

huh, 200k is less than you would think

[tired vapor]

@mortal cave are autofired parts allowed?

[desert trail]

i think the ship ai might manualy override that but im not sure

[tired vapor]

it will not

[tired vapor]

(pd does not scan for new targets quickly enough to actually shoot out of the tiny gap otherwise

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-scared-fire-flame-burning-gif-9338550

[elfin venture]

i mean that works too if you don't care about cg sustain

[tired vapor]

this ship is more dps than most of my 1.5ms

[elfin venture]

wait what

wtf are most of your 1.5mils like

[mortal cave]

Hard no

[late zenith]

My time has come

[tired vapor]

i want to weaponize mining laser so bad :(

[lament skiff]

dew it

[elfin venture]

aren't mining lasers banned on all built-in combat ships?

[tired vapor]

yes

[elfin venture]

also no MRT fuel pods

[elfin venture]

so why are those there

DC submissions are technically built-in combat ships

[tired vapor]

that is what i would do if they were allowed

[tired vapor]

i can imagine this having a very cool paint but alas, it will not

[bronze citrus]

is there a particular reason why monolith specifically has to have 40% or above hyperjump efficiency? i assume this doesnt impact this dc but im just curious. is it a faction design principle?

[tired vapor]

monolith is efficient

[bronze citrus]

understandable

[tired vapor]

even though they probably have the readiest access to hyperium >.>

[bronze citrus]

literally me in career tbh

[tired vapor]

yes, spend 10 min trying to fit in more drives instead of spending 5 sec longer mining once

[elfin venture]

monolith are the masters of logistics so they gotta be good at going from a to b

[bronze citrus]

they actually arent impossible to squeeze in if you plan around actually having them while building whatsoever

[elfin venture]

i plan for CRs but not ftl lmao

[tired vapor]

problem: plan

cr and ftl are not essential to logistics so i do not plan forthem

[bronze citrus]

i plan more for ftl than cr for career ships

[tired vapor]

which leads to many bad choices

[bronze citrus]

i mean its fine at the end of the day

[elfin venture]

getting high ftl is ez anyways

[bronze citrus]

they can both be p much anywehre if ur fine with slow jump

[elfin venture]

wow

[bronze citrus]

giga scuffed

[green mist]

how the hell are you getting this under 200k??

[tired vapor]

it's not <200k, it's must be >200k

590k rn

[green mist]

wait i misread the thiiiing

its between 100k and 2m

[tired vapor]

wait what

[green mist]

not 100k and 200k

[tired vapor]

i thought it was 200k

[green mist]

oooooooops

[tired vapor]

oh

i see

it is 100k to 2m

this thing feels so nice to pilot

it's so smooth

[green mist]

we all have perfect reading comprehension (lighthearted sarcasm)

[tired vapor]

yes

[mortal cave]

Monolith invented the hyperdrive, its what catapulted the company forward

You can add mining lasers they're just liable to be removed or the ship disqualified 😛

[mortal cave]

Eh?

[elfin venture]

there were no MRT fuel pods on air's ship, i accidently implied that MRT fuel pods were banned

[mortal cave]

Okay making sure I didn't mess up the rules. Because they should be fine

[lament skiff]

didnt walt make mining lasers better in combat

Also are they banned from built ins because of legitimate ai reasons or just cause they’re bad cause i feel like built-ins should be allowed to be that bad

[mortal cave]

Ask Walt

[elfin venture]

i think it might partially be a flavour thing also, but tbh mining lasers could work on fringe ships as an excuse for a weapon

[tired vapor]

i think the most op career weapon should not be restricted to players (actually explosives are better for ai because they decrease salvage)

[mortal cave]

I personally think that its not good for vibes

[elfin venture]

but most of the time it is indeed not good for vibes

[lament skiff]

idk i think repurposed mining ships is like right up fringes alley

[mortal cave]

Independents are probably the best possible fit because they presumably are doing career things too, but I'll ask him

[elfin venture]

tbh the bright yellow colour that mining lasers have to be doesn't help that much either since it'll stick out from any built-in scheme, even fringe ones

whereas other things either have obviously glowing components like TBs or neutral colours like DCs

[lament skiff]

while that is true i dont think it would be hard to use bright yellow on a fringe ship

[elfin venture]

oh, some do it, like the clockworks

but the thing is it's totally bright, painted yellow with no texturing at all

[tired vapor]

guh

[elfin venture]

even the brightest yellow fringes are at least a bit tarnished

and good point w/ the disruptor but that's glowing components and not paint

most of it is still the same colour as the ship, and the barrel is grey

[tired vapor]

true

[lament skiff]

I can imagine a fringe ship with bright yellow/green accents, maybe a bit faded but still bright

like a nuclear reactor repurposed into a ship

[elfin venture]

wait don't ships already have nuclear reactors in them

[tired vapor]

piloting this feels like driving a tesla

it's so good

[mortal cave]

Blockade Runner and Liability are both somewhat yellow, but thats more of a sun bleached than mining laser yellow

[lament skiff]

anyways i don’t personally care I just don’t get why built ins are allowed to have tb and mines but not mining lasers

[elfin venture]

ye, and the steampunk fringes are all a tarnished, metallic yellow

[mortal cave]

TB and Mines are both easily used offensively and can have ships built around them. Offensively building ships around mining lasers doesn't make sense

[elfin venture]

^

[tired vapor]

it makes sense as a low damage roof turret

[lament skiff]

being bad and weak is a fringe staple tho tbf

[elfin venture]

it's like axes and hammers as weapons compared to, like, a hoe

[mortal cave]

Fringe is more of a scrappy faction than one intentionslly weak

[lament skiff]

shurg

a little rusted up mining ship trying to kill people is like quintessential fringe in my mind

[tired vapor]

but fringe is supposed to be weak :P

[elfin venture]

i can defs see civilian ships having mining lasers, but not combat ones

[mortal cave]

Wait why are we having this discussion, the Fringe shouldn't have representation this contest

[elfin venture]

cus we were talking about mining lasers on dc submissions which is atm banned

and fringe is the only faction that has something resembling a case for mls on their ships

[tired vapor]

:(

[lament skiff]

Someone can easily make a ship that mining lasers would look natural on

[lament skiff]

real

[bronze citrus]

i think its good that mls are banned

[mortal cave]

Please note that this means Mining Lasers cannot be a ship's primary weapons

[bronze citrus]

even if theyre usable in combat i dont think it would be particularly immersive/sensical to have them as combat weapons on many builtins. however i could see a case being made for specific lore based ships like perhaps a mining ship converted to a brawler by fringe or something

[elfin venture]

ah

nice

you could maybe do a regular combat ship but with mining lasers on its sides and back

[bronze citrus]

but i think for builtins it would be better to set the precedent that mining laser = for mining at least in universe

[green mist]

yippee!

[elfin venture]

since if they're like other career mode ships, they'd turn on their side to mine, and conveniently this also gives them anti-flanking

[elfin venture]

thats why its only for independents i think

[bronze citrus]

yea makes sense

[late zenith]

1/3 done (was going to be a sotd first but this works)

[mortal cave]

Lore-ly Accoster also demonstrates its incredibly easy for ships to replace mining lasers and turn into actual combat ships

[green mist]

people are already moving onto painting???

[elfin venture]

where is the ship i don't see anything its just clouds /j

[mortal cave]

A very impressive pace Vaengirian

[elfin venture]

i think vaengirian had already made the ship bnefore the contest but also yea

[green mist]

wow

[bronze citrus]

camo is cool idea

[late zenith]

I finished the last touches today but I had been at it for a week

[tired vapor]

oooo cloudy

[mortal cave]

Its stated in the rules that you can reuse ships if they failed to make it in from previous tournaments

[tired vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

[mortal cave]

Also keep in mind you can submit up to three ships

[elfin venture]

is this what they mean when talking about the speed meta

[late zenith]

looks interesting

clever way to access ammo

[bronze citrus]

i think its time to actually try to submit my honest to god broadsiders

[green mist]

rn im at the prototyping phase where im messing around just doing stuff

rn what im trying to do is building in some weaknesses that may not be super obvious to new

[bronze citrus]

saris were the sustain rules on ships removed btw? i remember some of the early modern dcs having requirements that resources on a ship must last for like 3 fights or so

[mortal cave]

Would it be bad to say that I would think that having just a decent amount of resources is a common sense thing 💀

[bronze citrus]

true

[mortal cave]

I don't know, I copied this document from Vilda and didn't personally scrape that off

[green mist]

i know that its not a necessary approach but its one that im finding enjoyable after ive spent so much time optimizing everything for pvp thats its fun to design a ship like a puzzle

[mortal cave]

Aesthetic building is a lot more diverse for sure

[green mist]

im also debating on painting and submitting one of my pvp* ships to see how well it does

*pvp ship with needed modifications

[bronze citrus]

would be an interesting experiment

[elfin venture]

im wondering if i can do a ship that splits into a pair of railkites when a reactor is lost

or maybe a rammer that weaponizes reactor explosion to potentially deal damage to you

[tired vapor]

@mortal cave do u offer paint criticisms for design contest stuff?

[mortal cave]

I think it looks unfinished

[tired vapor]

yes

but current thoughts?

[grizzled sequoia]

Each ship can cost up to 2M, or 3 ships total cost is 2M? Just to make sure

[tired vapor]

each can be up to 2m

love your designs btw - can't wait to see them

[lament skiff]

yes but some people might have different definitions of ‘decent amount’

er, no

i agree with u

if that’s yes then yea

[mortal cave]

Former, but I did consider saying the latter

The price arrangement was mostly so that people can have high quality submissions, but can make larger ships if they have more time to burn

[tired vapor]

is this not real agony

[lament skiff]

that piece exists no?

[tired vapor]

i found it

i think there is no 2x1 version of the 45 degree block though

[lament skiff]

which one?

[tired vapor]

every time after a contest, i always think "wow painting is not actually that hard" but during the contest i think "wow i can see why people get paid for this"

[lament skiff]

Oh

Paint block i want #4678258

[tired vapor]

5 hour \👍

oops i made several mistakes

i wil lfix them tomorrow

[spring haven]

First ship design mostly done. Need to tweak the orbiting angle and probably move some armor around.

[tired vapor]

interesting

cannon + missile is a nice combo

why am i so positive rn

[lament skiff]

because you enjoy enriching strangers lives

[elfin venture]

considering this ship design as a submission

yea it's a rammer, and goes at 120m/s

[lament skiff]

autoram?

[elfin venture]

yea

[lament skiff]

[tired vapor]

driving the ship i made makes me very happy \👍

[elfin venture]

only thing im not sure about is the shape, since it's p. much just a rectangle

[tired vapor]

it doesn't shoot early?

[lament skiff]

not sure how the nukes dont slam into itself

[elfin venture]

not when testing in battle helper

but now that i think about it i will need to do more tests

[tired vapor]

nice

[elfin venture]

they have a few times, especially against railkites like Lesath
it easily catches up to them, but then gets EMP'd so it has to keep moving forward at max speed

it's a ship that's very weak to EMPs and shield pierce, so good learning experience

• someone is going to get mad about it

[green mist]

I need to learn how to setup auto orbit

[elfin venture]

i just take from a ship that already has it

[spring haven]

Should I add a sensor to this?

[lament skiff]

ur too good of ship builders to not know how yet smh

its important so u can customize ur autorbit angles

Ill make short guide when i get home

[green mist]

ty concrete! it's very appreciated

[elfin venture]

ok update, tested at long range
the nukes will fire prematurely against kiters, but against other rammers and barges they work fine

i still need to figure out how to make the shape good though

[tired vapor]

i think it's in pins of #game-questions

[green mist]

it isn't unfortunately

[tired vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546327169014431746/1080267591559426180/Capture_2023-02-28-17-16-54.mp4?ex=66ad6918&is=66ac1798&hm=acce06b571742ec40908cacdfe0529f28fed81fe26cb1352d047e59ce4c48819&

[elfin venture]

ok how's this sh ape?

[lament skiff]

Do you do shape before paint?

[tired vapor]

brick

like a canvas

[lament skiff]

Or readjust with paint

[elfin venture]

readjust w/ paint if necessary

[tired vapor]

i don't shape before or after i paint lol

[elfin venture]

but usually i used the shape to inform the paint

[lament skiff]

Hm

I usually just put on the bare minimum armor i want then paint informs the shape

How are you gonna paint it?

[elfin venture]

i'm gonna use this faux-sculpted colour scheme, though with 1x1 triangle motif instead of 1x2

[lament skiff]

seems good, maybe make some the little thingamajigs 2 blocks wide though if you can

so you can do a 1 block wide green line, 0.5 wide black line. Then 0.5 blue line

[elfin venture]

ye

[tired vapor]

opps i also added the wrong files

[novel coyote]

won't that resemble cabal too much?

how strict is that rule

[green mist]

thats how auto ram is setup, i am looking for auto orbit

[elfin venture]

i finished painting it

thing is, compared to cabal ,it has basically no circles at all, that's the main difference

I think there have been previous contest winners which were closer to cabal, such as Sprinkle of Stars or Meekoz's ships

[novel coyote]

true

[elfin venture]

it's definitely not an unbeatable ship, after a lil testing

it doesn't have much in the way of armour (because then it wouldn't be comedically fast)

i'll wait a bit before submitting this tho

[lament skiff]

They are the same for every step but auto orbit has one extra step

also what is the best format for a short guide like that

gdoc?

[oak plaza]

You guys work fucking quick...

[past bramble]

Im gonna try to get pink brick into the game

2m got some wiggle room to beautify an elim ship

Flamboyant pink brick

[oak plaza]

Just don't make it too meta, one of the reasons new ships are hated Hahahahaha...

[lament skiff]

meta pvp ships dont always work out in career, however ‘cosmoteer’ ships should be as difficult to kill as possible without sacrificing aesthetics

[green mist]

yes

[mortal cave]

Define what meta means, in aesthetic terms

[lament skiff]

le brick

[oak plaza]

Yes, Brick, just Rammer without any flair, full on nuker...

List goes on...

Just read the new rules, from what I get, all the votes go to architects now, and only discord users will vote for master of design...

I accept this change...
||Albeit I can't join even with such change...||

Goodluck on the Contest guys...

@raven isle @urban elm you guys joining the DC...?

[urban elm]

not likely

[oak plaza]

Aight, well just checking as I can only cheer on you guys hahahahaha

[urban elm]

been absorbed in factorio and i still dont really find myself at a point where i feel like putting my ships in a contest so i will probably sit this one out yet again

[lament skiff]

contest is a misleading term here

[oak plaza]

@mortal cave, there will be an announcement for in game for the DC right...?

And do people see the start of the DC if its not on Events channel...?

[lament skiff]

There’s only the 1st place winner that’s contested. No other competition

[oak plaza]

But architects will vote on the submitted ships overall...

If they pick your ship etc...

[lament skiff]

Yeah but it’s not competitive

they could choose every single ship

[bronze citrus]

ah, i missed that part

thats interesting

[oak plaza]

Now that you say that I'm starting to get sad I can't post when the current DC is easier to join in to...

[lament skiff]

just ask saris

[mortal cave]

No one reads event info 😔

[oak plaza]

Nah, Vilda will not approve...

[mortal cave]

It wasn't just Vilda, that was something that all of the architects discussed

[oak plaza]

See, even if I already explained, I can't testify it so yea...

Just supporting here...

[oak plaza]

Sad, no surge of new ships Hahahahaha...

[mortal cave]

I don't know what that means

[oak plaza]

If a lot of people see the DC, a lot of people will post more ships, more ships architects to judge, more ships may pass...

[past bramble]

Nah screw that im making a boss ship, neutering killing power would be a disservice for the original

[oak plaza]

Make parasite Brick please... 😭

[past bramble]

There is 0 chance parasite makes it into architech vote

[oak plaza]

But fuck it we ball...

[past bramble]

Maybe with something like rednax way of doing things

[oak plaza]

It's independent cosmoteers...

[past bramble]

I dont want to

Its ass to paint

[oak plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/mengsedih-gif-23325538

If I would I want to do it...

But anyways...

[elfin venture]

you called?

also on the brick thing

just make something that's really dangerous but also looks cool and has a gimmick

[oak plaza]

The new DC isn't budget constraint...

3 ships with the price about 100k to 2mil, good...

[elfin venture]

like this jumpscare of a ship that exists solely to introduce new players to front-mounted nukes at 116m/s

i also just made a ship with a totally exposed* reactor but it's terrible so

i might try this again with a different setup that lets the reactor stick even further out

[oak plaza]

The rules stated your ship should have rear protection...

Damn...

[elfin venture]

that's a guideline, Good Morning has PD and the deco should help a tad

also it is deliberately weak to EMPs

[median patio]

design contest!!!!!

[oak plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-happy-happy-happy-cat-happy-dancing-cat-gif-716006509349864265

[lament skiff]

i know this is in design contest chat but saris i think you should help clarify somehow that this is not really competetive lol I think that will encourage more participants

[elfin venture]

the previous design contests were competitive?

[lament skiff]

yes

[elfin venture]

oh

i mean there was competition but you weren't designing ships competitively, you were designing them aestheticaly

[lament skiff]

competitive doesnt always refer to pvp combat skill

[oak plaza]

They mean compete with other submittions...

[lament skiff]

in previous dc's you are competing via aesthetic skills

[median patio]

time to make ship

[elfin venture]

yea i get it now

ich bin ein dummkopf

[mortal cave]

In my frank defense

[elfin venture]

im still not sure what other ships to make or if i should go with Good Morning or not

[mortal cave]

I stated it explicitely in the document

[lament skiff]

yeah but players wont read if they arent interested in competing since on the surface it sounds like a regular design contest

since the participants aren't necessarily competing against each other i think this is a good community opportunity for newer players to join since there is less competition stress and more reason for everyone to help each other out

[mortal cave]

Lady and gentlemans, coming to you now is a new design competition!
... :<

[oak plaza]

I still think it's their loss if they can't read the entire document...

[mortal cave]

I've changed the message as per your advice, Concrete

[lament skiff]

[oak plaza]

If every one is encouraged to submit and no voting competition, does that mean I can still submit but not get Master of Design, because I don't care about that...

I just want to make ships for the game...

[elfin venture]

i still have no idea what ships i should make

maybe i could try making a 2mil omniweapon ship?

[lament skiff]

yes

[elfin venture]

ok

[median patio]

chaingun time

[past bramble]

Like the current parasite just looks flat and i just cant be satisfied with it, its trying to do 2 things, part fo the ship needs to look like a ship and the other part is flesh, trying to get that seperation and have some detailing is difficult, its easier to go full creature

[oak plaza]

Aight...
Well it's your submission so go nuts with it...

Just giving ideas Hahahahaha....

[past bramble]

I rather not torture myself to get this to work when im playing for my own self satisfaction

[raven isle]

??

[past bramble]

Design contest

[raven isle]

Oh hell yes

My skills are much higher

[oak plaza]

And it's easier...
Because no votes, only architect votes...

[raven isle]

I will crush it even better this time : D

[median patio]

ive played to much mindustry lately i keep on using scroll to rotate

[oak plaza]

You will have to appease the gods though...

[raven isle]

I will try

[oak plaza]

Fuck it, meme...

[raven isle]

Does this follow the same rules as last time I wonder

[lament skiff]

rules are al in the doc

which are you referring to specifically

[raven isle]

Unsure. I'm yet to look
As I am not home yet

[raven isle]

welp time to make

can someone get me the document

i forgot where to find it

[lament skiff]

#tournament-announcements

[raven isle]

shut up saris
for some reason that channel vanishes for me

[lament skiff]

Probably dont. Have it checksd here

[raven isle]

alright ill take a look

yeah there we go

i fix it now

[lament skiff]

Time to redownload gacha game cause i am going to try to make a ship based off a character

loosely*

[raven isle]

haha nice

i just have a interesting idea

i think

[lament skiff]

nvm i guess it shut down

[median patio]

i make all my ships at 3 am

ship 1 done

will do 2 ships

forgot sensors

final

exactly 20% hyperdrive efficiency :}

[past bramble]

nice

give me flower and shroom vibes

[small breach]

maybe i can make a railfan, i do wonder what theme i should go with, but i do get 3 submissions and that's all i need

[toxic ocean]

Resources are part of the cost 😭

Also hours always mattered for me as I've always been submitting at last possible times to make the most out of my time. Because the deadline of the previous contest had different hours, I couldn't submit my ships which I spent so much time on.

[toxic ocean]

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST The contest started yesterday.

Awesome job though. Very floral

---

Also can I ask what does "ship drive" mean specifically? I read the entire document and it said nothing about driving a ship.

[tired vapor]

just rotate the angle a bit, you will just need to eyeball it and mess around until it works

[toxic ocean]

I feel like competition is going to be fierce for this DC, but there won't be Immtrm to sweep us up XD

[tired vapor]

ship drive? u mean ftl drive efficiency? you need 20%+

[tired vapor]

competition does not matter for this one, architects are just picking ones they like

community vote is just for master of design

so you just need to be good enough that architects like it, community does not matter

oh i see what you mean by ship drive, what i just said is also the reason for the rerbas

rebrand

[past bramble]

Get the double pink role nick

[elfin venture]

🤔

i think it's good... but is it design contest good?

[oak plaza]

I still am not sure if I can post ships or nah...
Its not like I want Master of Design, I just wanna make shit...

[elfin venture]

ask saris ig?

[oak plaza]

I can already see this in career, fucking funny...

[oak plaza]

No reply yet, asked earlier...

[past bramble]

Does this kill things in its price range?

[tired vapor]

yes

[oak plaza]

This looks very techno, I love it...

[elfin venture]

it's especially funny if the other ship is extremely fast or is an orbiter that faces the other way
they almost bonk into each other and then the TBs go into overdrive and yeet them apart

[elfin venture]

yes

[oak plaza]

@flint abyss you good for this DC...? It's easier to join...

[elfin venture]

including the january design contest orbiters

[oak plaza]

Thats why I already think of it as funny ship in career... hahahahaha

[elfin venture]

the only reason i made this ship is because it's a pun lmao

its a long thin shape, almost like

a beam

it's a tractor beam beam

[oak plaza]

Is that really the name of it...?

Its giving me Metal Pipe vibes...

[elfin venture]

no cus that's funny but not really a great name
its referenced in the description though

Created from the stolen blueprints of an experimental mining and construction vessel, this ship has an abnormally large number of tractor beams that can be put to use preventing enemy movement while bolstering the Overseer's own.

"Heh, it's a long beam shape made of tractor beams, a tractor beam beam- What?"

[oak plaza]

beam beam, I like it...

[elfin venture]

not a great gif but you can see it killing sprinkle of stars

[oak plaza]

Nice...
Very Nice...

Price...?

[elfin venture]

1mil

[oak plaza]

flat...?

[elfin venture]

no

it's like 1.22 mil or something i don't know or care because the budgets for ships in this contest are quite lax

[oak plaza]

Btw made this meme for the current DC...
It literally will be us when Architect Voting...

It just clicked in my head so I gotta make it...

For the ships being built, they all look solid in design paint and ship-wise...

Here's me hoping we get a surge of new ships after this DC...

[flint abyss]

oh, i'll see

since it's independent, i'll have to use a new style huh

[oak plaza]

And no direct competition...
The Architects will be your only judge...

[elfin venture]

i don't know why you can't use your normal style, it's not a built-in style

[elfin venture]

i mean there is direct competition for funny pink name

[elfin venture]

leave it to air to optimize cg barrel size

[tired vapor]

it shoots the bullets behind the eb balls

[flint abyss]

i don't think my faction ships can be called independent

[oak plaza]

Thats actually genius design...

[oak plaza]

Well its independent if its not based on the 4 main factions...
But I think you still need to build new ships as MRTs and Chainguns are now a thing...

[oak plaza]

I just noticed, damn this shit has lots of strafe...

[flint abyss]

they are not ? damn, i was gaslit into believing they were a thing

[toxic ocean]

I'll be trying my damn best.

[oak plaza]

Fucking autocorrect...
"Now A Thing"...

[toxic ocean]

I always thought I'd get master of design first and champion never, oh how the tables have turned...

[past bramble]

multiple podiums

perhaps this is the one

you gonna reuse your old stuff or start from scratch?

[tired vapor]

it feels amazing to pilot

[oak plaza]

Oh I bet it will...
I hope there is strafe AI though that it uses in career...

[tired vapor]

no lol

speaking of ai, i forgot to give it autoram

[oak plaza]

Bro is a rammer...?
Damn...

[tired vapor]

it's got mrt

can't let that deramp

[flint abyss]

i think i'm gonna repaint my humble ship and submit it, it's perfect as a small ship

[tired vapor]

babby

\👍

[flint abyss]

though i now feel devilish and want to send that one too XD good bye early game

[tired vapor]

swap the sl for eb

[flint abyss]

oh yeah, i love doing no damage

[tired vapor]

pd is damage

[oak plaza]

this also has PDs set to attack and defend right...?

[flint abyss]

damn, i have many great designs already and only 3 spots

[flint abyss]

i think it's defend only

[oak plaza]

and 100k to 2Mil price range...

[oak plaza]

Change it now...

[flint abyss]

no

[oak plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

You we're supposed to be the chosen one!

[tired vapor]

this is clearly to work of someone who has spent the vast majority of their game time worrying about cost efficiency and logistics

it turns out cosmoteer is actually fun and not just work??

[wispy vigil]

Hmmm

[tired vapor]

mining laser detachable frined \👍

[oak plaza]

Wait, ML now included as career weapons...?

[elfin venture]

no

[oak plaza]

Sad...

[elfin venture]

that's presumably why air is detaching them

extremely tiny update try and spot the diff

[tired vapor]

yes

[tired vapor]

no

mining lasers can be used as a sidearm

[elfin venture]

oh thats right

[elfin venture]

ML allowed as career weapon, but only if not the primary weapon, and (i think) only for independents

[tired vapor]

i am detaching it because i think it will make an interesting design

i keep slightly modifying the crew and needing to reassign everything :(