design contest chat

[mortal cave]

Contest ships have their own lore? Brueh

[strange mango]

i mean some have a bit of lore in the bio

[oak plaza]

When I submitted my contest ships, they have a full on backstory...

[lofty glacier]

yeah parts might have to be altered/scrapped for it to make sense if it actually becomes 'canon'

otherwise it's just some descriptions in the ship menu and in the contest submission I guess

[oak plaza]

They are already under the unique ships...
And its not like people actively look at the bios...

But even if it's not canon, there is some kind of story on each of them...

Gives them color...

[past bramble]

the lore of contest ship gets is the flavor text the builder put in its bio

[mortal cave]

I wonder if that needed clearing given the context of there being established lore...

[normal kite]

some of the descriptions of the winning ships are sooooooo long

[stiff sandal]

Your style was original, which is something that Is quite appreciated here

[past bramble]

is it nicks?

[normal kite]

my mind went blank when I saw it idk

[oak plaza]

That's makes me happy...

[oak plaza]

I have somewhat long descriptions but not as long as Nick's that it engulfs the screen...

[toxic ocean]

When writing description for TRC specifically, I had to word-optimize and use official abbreviations (I am not shameless and lazy enough to write ''u'' instead of you) at least half a dozen times 😅

I said very clearly.

[wispy vigil]

Reduce description limit to 200 characters

[toxic ocean]

It's 190 as of right now I think.

So that's an increase 😏

[normal kite]

reduce it to 20

[toxic ocean]

FUC

[toxic ocean]

You sir are going to be abducted by Chronos' ioncore for your truly sinful suggestion.

Also shouldn't this thread be closed because of out-of-context-iness?

[normal kite]

remind me to fix that core when I get home

and why is the output in the back

[wispy vigil]

As in, individual letters

[strange mango]

limit the character selection to emojis only

[misty lark]

i dont rly see the point of design contests if the ships barely appear in-game

[lofty glacier]

wdym? They do appear as often as other ships afaik. And even if they didn't appear at all, joining design tournaments can be worth it for the clout, other rewards, or just a chance to make new ships.

[mortal cave]

You have to consider that the architects are like, paid to do their job, and then there's the other thing that a lot of the contest winners don't take into account the same things considering their campaign position and fitting in with the rest of the ships

[wispy vigil]

It's also less official

[mortal cave]

Like taking Fusion's Kopis as an example, as it was one of the highest voted options, I feel as though this is a clearly competitive ship. It has a ton of holes throughout, and undisguised thruster areas where nothing else really exists. Ancile and especially Gladius are a lot better on that part, at least.
If you consider universe or lore implications past that it's extremely strange that a pirate would have access to this many nukes, and the fact that Ancile Kopis and Gladius all have the same paint scheme would imply that they're part of a sub faction, which would canonically just be part of the FSR (which also can't afford mass nukes)

[misty lark]

true, i hadnt considered that

[stiff sandal]

If you think what I've made is bad, take a look at what Kine made and then your gonna get the idea of why the ships don't get added to career

I will admit, there are a few ships that could work in career

In the end, we got our ships in the game, which is a W

[mortal cave]

I don't think it's bad, if I wanted to say as such I would have. I do however think it's not up to established standards, even ignoring the paint the physical structure is very iffy

And honestly Kine's ships aren't very far off. I think with a color change Mawred would be a fantastic and fitting Imperium ship

[stiff sandal]

Im sorry we all can't be seasoned architects

I tried my best, I haven't even been painting vanilla for that long anyways. I just wanted a redemtion shot for last time and I think I got it

[flint abyss]

oh i knew that my ships fit in like a sore thumb

but on that note, kaine's ships really sell the whole pirate theme, even if they look factiony

[mortal cave]

I think you get the point of my message wrong, I was responding to ships not being in game. The ship submissions are delightful, they look excellent, and frankly you deserved to win. I like looking at the results of design competitions. The part I'm trying to get across is that they weren't built with the campaign in mind and wouldn't as easily fit in, even if the ship itself is of high quality

In fact ignoring the faction/lore issues I'd daresay that Ancile and Gladius are both excellent and would fit in with the rest of the ships

[flint abyss]

tbh, i only participated in because i was convinced to send some of my ships. but in the end they are my own faction (yes, i intend to make it into a faction mod one day)

[tired vapor]

i participated for the original purpose of giving pain to noobs

[stiff sandal]

yeah. I thought you were just saying in general. From a career pov I can understand. However from just adding the ship into the creative lobby, based on what I mistook, I needed to slightly question things

Kopis was just a shot in the dark. I now have a few other ships that could honestly take the vessels place... untill next time I guess

[flint abyss]

on an other note. when next ? :D

[wispy vigil]

Weekly design contests

Sotw

[mortal cave]

Whenever BBP decides I suppose, though I was considering running one myself. I want to actually establish such an arrangements that ships are more likely to actually be used in game, but that requires the approval and support of Walt and other architects, as well as the requirement of designing ships in the fashion of one of the four established factions

[stiff sandal]

god that pressure

F' that were to happen (which it might), this will be quite intense

[wispy vigil]

Perhaps we could even get advice directly from the architects

Such as them giving more solid parameters over the designs

[stiff sandal]

That would be nice actually

[oak plaza]

Sad that I wouldn't be in pirate career like I hoped but as Fusion said, it's still a win we get our ships in game...

And maybe some players would use them as test dummies...

[past bramble]

Hopefully walt has plans for them later on

[past bramble]

Well the headcannon for my ships are a legion of imperium vessels that went rogue so I try to make it imperium like

[oak plaza]

We will not lose hope my brother...

[past bramble]

btw

these 5 ships are uncredited

[flint abyss]

it's alright if you do a committee at the end to debate which you will add in the game proper (as in fitting in) and which will just have an honourable mention (as in voted by the community and in a similar format to what happened)

said committee would gather all the architects and walt XD of course that requires some free time for all.
an other possibility (if can't meet up) is a private channel where you guys vote which fit in, and if one has 75% votes, it's in

i saw some cabal style ships that deserve to be in the game so bad that i really want them in

[oak plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-council-star-wars-council-has-spoken-gif-17632756

[flint abyss]

yes, like that

[strange mango]

i was planning to host the next one in april.

[strange mango]

walt has told me that pirates dont have any restrictions for weapons though

[strange mango]

im going to do just about anything i can to make sure next contests winners can be added as spawning ships. i feel like i made a mistake somewhere that caused this and feel like i need to make it right.

[toxic ocean]

TRC's core is broken, I'm honestly happy they didn't get added.

But still, this is an immense honor to me, having a part of me which I poured my heart, soul and passion in (And I'm sure Xsnow did the same too) get added to the game that I love beyond comprehension.

[vernal lance]

i think you forgot you got second place

[toxic ocean]

They didn't get added *in the actual built-ins lineup so the ships won't spawn in the game

[toxic ocean]

...And once again, for the millionth time thanks to all who voted for us :>

Congratulations to Scari for having the first ever built-in with a nuke factory on it The Rotten Core didn't get this luxury because monni

[vernal lance]

ew

a nuke fac

if it was classic it would be fine since projectile storages there are useless

maybe apart from ammo

[mortal cave]

Legitimately one of the worst blocks in the game

[toxic ocean]

True.

But it looks gorgeous aesthetically.

I have the OG variant with nuke.

Crapazon is truly epic though.

---

...Say, does anybody want to make a DC ship battleoff? I'd make it but I have literally zero recording skills.

Though I didn't know Corrupt's ship was a bootleg Stalwart... Look at this epic death though.

One piece gets ripped off and left behind whilst the other one surfs into the distance.

[strange mango]

a good first step is downloading OBS and watching a tutorial on how to use it

[toxic ocean]

I already downloaded OBS just in case.

I'm eventually gonna start learning how it works.

[strange mango]

by the way. as promised, there are the winners in the credits

[toxic ocean]

You gigachad

[slow axle]

yex got my faction name in

[vernal lance]

i said it was a run ender

[toxic ocean]

Credit goes to Iontinker for making a broken core.
The rotten core he lived up to the name of the ship :D

@past bramble I hate you.

[vernal lance]

seems ok

[toxic ocean]

You could've done this >:(

Why did you make crew go opposite side of the walkway YOU DEMON >:C

[JKKK]

Still thought it needs fixing.

[vernal lance]

i mean some ships ive seen do that with the full corridor

[toxic ocean]

Yes yes I've done it as well but the crew who supply the ER has other job down in the bottom compartment as well.

So this walkway actively hinders that job of his.

There's no hotkey 1 there's only 2, 3 and 4

Just a funny goof.

[past bramble]

Odd i remember having keybind 1 for the ions

If they do not get spawned in as a ship can they atleast be cameos as wreck

[past bramble]

Im pretty sure the ER guys dont go to th bottom compartment hence that moving walkway

[strange mango]

im currently waiting for an answer from walt on the not spawning thing, as i really want to avoid it also happening next contest. ill give an update when i got more information on the topic

[vernal lance]

little question how are you communicating with walt?

[flint abyss]

with words

[vernal lance]

and in what method of arranging those words?

[flint abyss]

english

[strange mango]

there is a hidden discord channel for hosts to chat with each other and with walt

im just as surprised about the not spawning thing as everyone else by the way, i even scrolled back up in the aforementioned hidden channel and walt did agree on having the winners spawn as factionless enemys/pirates.

[stiff sandal]

Even if we don't have that, it's also OK. There are also some slight positives

We don't need to deal with any rebalancing suggestions

Because that's a heck of a complication, especially to some ships here

[past bramble]

24 nukes D:

[stiff sandal]

Well, your ship certainly was going to be requested for a balance

It's got some fearsome firepower

[strange mango]

that the balancing would be a nightmare is true, its just that i feel that for the second time in a short period ive made a promise as a contest host i could not deliver on. which is not ideal

[strange mango]

update on the not spawning topic: walt would like that the winning contest ships get approved by the architects first.

so, basically, they dont spawn in career YET, but probably will do so later on when the architects approve of them. not sure what will happen when one doesnt get approved, but ill be sure to let that know when i do know

[tired vapor]

"mine factory"

also what do we do if we want to update our ships

[strange mango]

i suppose if you send me an updated .ship file i can send it over to walt. but dont make it a completely different ship, this would just be for small and or essential fixes

[stiff sandal]

Architect approved eh?

Nice

[tired vapor]

mostly just ai fixes

[flint abyss]

i don't expect mine to get the greenlight btw XD

[tight tapir]

What I do is I dm an architect and ask them to add the updated ship to the spreadsheet

[tired vapor]

spreadsheet????

[flint abyss]

huh ?

[tight tapir]

Idk

They have a spreadsheet

For ships to be added

Or updated

[flint abyss]

:o

#sotd-submissions message i hope this ship is on their spreadsheet

[tired vapor]

anyways minor edits

[toxic ocean]

Alrigthy.

[toxic ocean]

@normal kite I'll need you to remake the core real quicky, or at least fix it. So I can submit the updated version to Blake.

[strange mango]

what exactly is broken on the core? might be helpful for iontinker to know

[normal kite]

iirc the prisms should be aiming correctly when they aren't being controlled with DC

[strange mango]

im going to wait for the fixed rotten core so that i can send them to walt all at once

[normal kite]

do you want to re-do the structure for this spot? these prisms are still ruining the core

[normal kite]

here's just the core [reacted ship file]

[strange mango]

is it meant to just look like a black square?

[normal kite]

it's just because of the way I saved it

it still functions as a ship file

[strange mango]

huh, neat

[toxic ocean]

I already told them back then. 2 Freefloating prisms not aiming at anything.

[toxic ocean]

Really, are they? GO on.

[strange mango]

ah never mind what i said then

[normal kite]

these ones are your fault and I already brought them up to you

[toxic ocean]

No worries, do whatever you want with the core as long as it does what it's supposed to do.

Make it asymmetric, janky whole nine yards.

[normal kite]

just take the file I posted ten minutes ago

[toxic ocean]

Okay.

OMGGGGG THAT SAVES 10K CREDITSSSSS

[slow axle]

two prisms

[toxic ocean]

Yup.

[strange mango]

by the way, after i send these fixed ships to walt, that will be the last last minute fix opportunity unless one of the contest ships completely breaks from an update or absolutely needs an balance edit or something along those lines. i got to draw that line somewhere eventually afterall now that theres a thread for it, this post became outdated

[mortal cave]

You can send fixed ships to any of the architects. Actually, why not have a thread for it?

[strange mango]

oh i wasnt aware, in that case, i will make a thread for it

[grizzled whale]

Can we also use that thread for classic ships updated for modern?

[oak plaza]

If I'm confident enough that my ships aren't in need of tweaks I can leave it as is right...?

[strange mango]

hmm, good question, im going to have to ask walt about that, ill let you know

[umbral swift]

Hahaha, really? Would think that some of the ships have nuke factories?

[normal kite]

btw @toxic ocean the resources on your ship are not 50/50

[toxic ocean]

Dumbass me.

Thanks Ion.

[toxic ocean]

NOPE!

ABSOLUTELY Not :>

[strange mango]

@tired vapor @toxic ocean see the new announcement regarding the edited ships.

[strange mango]

oh, sorry for the late answer, but yes, edits are completely optional, if you feel like your ships are fine as they are, you are not forced to use the thread

[toxic ocean]

The Rotten Core is truly finalized now, even added floodlights to it from the 10000 I got by Iontinker cutting 2 prisms off.

I even have money to add floodlights to ShambleFoul :D

[normal kite]

which I told you to do yourself ages ago

[toxic ocean]

Oh yeah... I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say there...

[flint abyss]

"i made a mistake, there are 2 unnecessary prisms in the ship that hinders it, they are there and there"
maybe something like that XD

[normal kite]

if everyone with a problem on their ship did that then it would be a terrible experience for the one having to fix them

and if it required edits to other parts of the ship then the original creator would have to be consulted or just ignored when the final product didn't look the same/how they wanted it to look

[strange mango]

yes, the thread can be used to update classic contest ships to modern

[past bramble]

How similar to the original must it be?

[strange mango]

make it legal by modern standard while trying to preserve most of the existing shapes and paint, but feel free to add an extra layer of paint, some extra aesthetic armour and lights.

[oak plaza]

Hmmm, if I get to play, I will do that...

[toxic ocean]

Quixy already modernified Corvus so that isn't really much to worry about (And so did Avo). Billongue Cipher registered trademark the winner of the previous tournament is long gone, and I think Galaxxian won't do Tamerlane as well.

Aside from those it's fair game I think.

Yes I made up all these nicknames.

[strange mango]

editing classic contest ships is not mandatory, if people dont want to do it or cant do it for whatever reason, thats fine, its just there as an option to those who want to and can do it

[toxic ocean]

Ehh wish I've participated in any of the previous tourneys.....

*DCs...

[wispy vigil]

Could I then technically update that Walt's pick ship from the last classic design tournament

[strange mango]

last classics design contest was the one with the factions i think, which complicates things. but idd say just edit a colour or two to look different from the faction and it should be fine. and yes, id say that walts picks are fair game

[toxic ocean]

Wait, which one?

[toxic ocean]

OHHHH, This was made by you? Cool!

I think I actually voted for you... At least I remember voting for one of your ships...

[deft kayak]

Ooh I should update my classic built-in too now

[toxic ocean]

Yeah yeah it was this one.

[toxic ocean]

Yeah, true. I actually wanted to ping you for that :'>

Speaking of which-

OMFG VERIZON @gray tide DO YOU REMEMBER YOU GOT A SHIP IN THE GAME!!

Icebreaker.

[deft kayak]

Nick: says he wanted to ping me in the past tense, as if he doesn't need to anymore
Also Nick: doesn't turn off reply ping

[stiff sandal]

oh yeah this thing

Needs a slight update nowadays

[toxic ocean]

Yup.

[toxic ocean]

Sorry I forgot.

Not this time though.

[stiff sandal]

also has some.. issues in terms of defensive capabilities at the rear. I watched it getting ripped apart in a yt vid

[gray tide]

Yes, I do, what about it?

[strange mango]

see tournament announcements, im guessing thats what nick meant

specifically the last 2 announcements

[gray tide]

uh

[gray tide]

so i can rework my ship into modern and then one of the architects will yoink my ship and "handle it from there"?

[strange mango]

thats the plan

[gray tide]

interesting

i'll see what i can do

[stiff sandal]

Time to make use of those nice missile storages

Cause factories can't soley rely on power ;/

[strange mango]

in all honesty, i dont know exactly what process the architects have to do with the contest ships, either the modern edits or the classic redesigns, as there is not really any dedicated communication chats between event hosts and architects, but saris came up with the idea for the thread and walt doesnt have a problem with it being used for updating classic contest ships so theres that

(i think fusion removed the post this was an answer to while i was typing it)

[stiff sandal]

sorry

[toxic ocean]

Why'd you do that though :p

[bronze citrus]

Blake can you host a faction ship design contest next

Plss

[fast goblet]

Is that even possible in modern version of Cosmo? I remember Architects ot Walt were reluctant to add "subfactions" or homogenous ship sets to the game or something like that

[bronze citrus]

I mean for the existing factions

[past bramble]

is this alright for a modernization attempt?

left is original right is modern

[flint abyss]

nice

[past bramble]

an issue is that it needs a new name

because the original is bullwark

[flint abyss]

i have a ship named rampart...

[past bramble]

Im lucky that bullwark's thrusters had leg room for the new longer deadzones. no need to shuffle armor around

[mortal cave]

You're allowed to improve upon the design, as well as tailor it to one of the factions if it's still a clear resemblance

Anvil is a good example of too far a stretch, but things like Raptor, Sarro, and Stomper are all fine as converted to FSR

[flint abyss]

it is true that you can make this bullwark an imperium ship with paint easily

[past bramble]

its a bit too boxy for a imperium imo

[flint abyss]

you know

not all imperium looks like a dorito

[past bramble]

i know but imperium ships looks sharp and angular

the front end of bullwark is too flat?

the way i paint this ship originally also makes it kinda a pain to do any shading

tht black is the most top layer and the white the most bottom

[flint abyss]

well... i was meaning a new paint, but you do what you want

[strange mango]

at least for the next couple of contests, i was planning to stick to the factionless enemy's theme, maybe when there is at least 1 or 2 of those in the game of every size class, i could see if there is a way for faction contests to work in the current cosmoteer era. but no guarantees yet

[past bramble]

a little sneak peak

[flint abyss]

nice

[oak plaza]

Damn that's great...

[past bramble]

the only reference that exist is anzu so this is gonna get abit annoying

[oak plaza]

@strange mango, putting lights on the new ships are okay right...?

[flint abyss]

bullwark with pirate and imperium version XD

[strange mango]

yes

[oak plaza]

Thank You...

[strange mango]

lights where added so soon after the submissions closed, it would be rubbing salt in the wound if i didnt allow that.

[slow axle]

explaination i find the 👁️ very obnoxious (and why not use a build-in emoji for that purpose )

but that not to me to judge the rules since i've got far less talent in communication

[strange mango]

no no, you make some fair points, so ive edited the post

[flint abyss]

it's going fairly nicely

[past bramble]

I think im doing a good job at trying to keep the original paint lines

But that rear end is gojng to be difficult

[oak plaza]

It's actually fire...

[strange mango]

this makes me want to redo some of my older ships and artwork, its probably one of the best way to see your own progress as an artist

[past bramble]

is this fine for an imperium?

[past bramble]

seems that i accidentally deleted a pair of launchers and doors

here is corrected

[toxic ocean]

Okay is it high time to submit my updated ships in #1081651425999863949?

[vernal lance]

yes

[toxic ocean]

I have TRC updated and gonna give Shamblefoul the same treatment.

I have some amount of money to spare.

[vernal lance]

might update my ships too

[toxic ocean]

Because I removed 2 prisms (Iontinker did that) from the core.

They weren't needed.

[vernal lance]

might overhaul polaris 2 paint

[toxic ocean]

Polaris the second.

[vernal lance]

this time with nukes

[oak plaza]

Does the both of you will be adding lights to your crafts...?

[vernal lance]

i will

[oak plaza]

Noice...

[toxic ocean]

Flooded enough?

[toxic ocean]

^^

[vernal lance]

moar

[toxic ocean]

I don't think I have the budget.

[vernal lance]

moar

[toxic ocean]

The deceased can afford one or two lights too :>>>

[vernal lance]

put it in that one empty slot

[toxic ocean]

But that's an intentional hole :(

Ominous radioactive light

Where do I put the nuke symbol :/

[oak plaza]

You can go over the budget, Blake said that it should not be as expensive though...

And they said its our right to use the lights after the competition because it would just seem unfair...

[oak plaza]

Very Cool, and Nice...
Make a showcase of all the ships together like mine so we can see the new looks...

[toxic ocean]

...Except The Rotten Core will dwarf everybody again :>

.....The Fallen is the pinnacle of cost-optimization so I won't be able to add any lights to it :(

And this just looks ugly.

...Still, THE MARVELOUS SHIELD needs some illumination.

[oak plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168

[toxic ocean]

The shield indeed is marvelous.

Fun fact, without it the entire ship, with its disruptors and crew and all only costs 70K.

[quasi axle]

are you telling me that large shield costs 20k? lol

[toxic ocean]

So the shield alone is 2/7 of its price. That's 1/3.5 of the entire cost.

[quasi axle]

[oak plaza]

Large shields are indeed pricy...

[toxic ocean]

Well duh...

[quasi axle]

lol i know, i was just making a little joke

[toxic ocean]

I see.

[quasi axle]

because you said it was exactly 90k, and without the shield it was 70k

[toxic ocean]

Yup.

Of course.

90-70=20 simple maths.

EGGSpensif :'(

Also contextless.

[stiff sandal]

Say the blue worked out pretty well

[toxic ocean]

Mhm

[oak plaza]

I agree with fusion, the blue light adds to the look of it...

[toxic ocean]

Atmospheric, I know.

Highlights the shield, like literally saying ''hey look, this is THE most important part of the ship!''

[oak plaza]

I have to say, does it reverse quite well...?

Its a shame to get rushed with all that big shields wasted...

[toxic ocean]

It is decently fast backwards at about 50mps, will probably outrun some admittedly amateur starter ships...

But that's precisely the point of the ship as I've said many times already.

It's supposed to teach new players to ram.

[oak plaza]

Very Cool idea...

[normal kite]

(after you accidentally added them)

[gray tide]

i do not know if paint is mandatory, but I have no skill in it whatsoever (if i apply my level of paint it will not be pleasing enough compared to the rest of the ships)

[bronze citrus]

Paint is mandatory, lol

At least some sort of

[toxic ocean]

I could help...

If that's allowed of course.

[gray tide]

I am aiming for Imperium, and i allow you to Let Your Imagination Run Wild !

[stiff sandal]

preparing for the next tournament? smart

[toxic ocean]

No I suck at imperium paint.

Lol.

Why'd I type ''imperium sucks'' XD

[gray tide]

they say the ship go in game when ready architect improve i have no idea what torunment you talk about ⁉️

[stiff sandal]

I'm not sure how the design would work Imperium wise considering that its got alot of design issues

[gray tide]

It bit old .

[stiff sandal]

yeah, not all armor is weaved, needs more engines, and the missile modules need a makeover

[gray tide]

Weaved Armor ⁉️ More ENGINES ⁉️ Yeah I agree with the last one

my brain isnt made for Comoter

😭

[stiff sandal]

there are alot of yt videos on weaved armor

it helps with ship survivability

[toxic ocean]

I could gladly help.

Or maybe Fusion could help you.

[gray tide]

Go ahead ! No need if no want

[gray tide]

Yes , Fusion can help if he want and you no want

[stiff sandal]

I'm a bit preoccupied with my imperium replica

[strange mango]

paint is mandatory yes.

if both parties agree, im going to give @toxic ocean the go ahead to paint it for you.

[toxic ocean]

Thanks.

[gray tide]

As Say I Ager!

[normal kite]

do people need authoritative permission to paint other peoples ships for design competitions?

[strange mango]

if it is for the purpose of submitting it (either in the edit thread or in a future contest), yes. you should not submit a ship that was not fully made by you without the other authors permission (offering to help with a ship in this channel counts as giving permission to the person helped to submit it). if its already a build in (aka it has won a design contest and is currently in modern or classic) and you want to repaint it just for the sake of repainting it, then no, you would not need to ask permission (if you want to post it anywhere, you are expected to credit the author though). however you are not allowed to submit it to a future design contest or in the edit thread

[toxic ocean]

@vernal lance I do not agree with you. Old Northern Hell's paint was absolute gold and I think the new one will take away a lot from its aesthetic.

The sort of cabally paint fit it a lot as it's a stolen and re-outfitted Polaris.

[vernal lance]

well its still exists floating in here #1059085469708734515 message

if you want that i guess

[toxic ocean]

Okay 😔

[vernal lance]

also the pronoun I exists in that sentence

so take that as you will

[toxic ocean]

Okay.

I still think it's much superior.

[gray tide]

Out of curiosity, did you ager to paint? If so, did you begin? (Apologies if i am too bothersome, the curiosity got me)

[toxic ocean]

Nah no problem.

I'll send my updated bois and then I gladly will.

[toxic ocean]

---

Alrighty they have all been submitted :D

...Complete with the detailed essay textblob explanation on all of the changes and why I did them.

[stiff sandal]

When is the next contest again? I can't remember exactly

[past bramble]

assuming if its already planned

[toxic ocean]

👍

[stiff sandal]

Sweet

[toxic ocean]

So we can expect one soon.

[strange mango]

im intending to hold the next one in April. the rules are already completely written. expect an announcement somewhere next week about the details

[toxic ocean]

You GOAT

I'm so excited...

Hmm, should I be solo or Collab?

[fast goblet]

I wouldn't mind to collab, feel free to DM me if interested :)

I'm alright at painting, but my building stills are rusty as hell

[toxic ocean]

Your ships, the ones that won especially, are pretty dope.

...I'll first try being solo as I already collaborated in the previous one, but if something I'll definitely not be against collaborating with Coffee.

[strange mango]

can agree to that, i really liked coffee's ships last contest. they where pretty unique, specially unbroken

the consept was simple, but i cant say ive seen a ship like it before, which is a combo i often like

[toxic ocean]

Unbroken is probably my least favorite though, it seems very bizarre and not even remotely looking like a ship.

[strange mango]

thats fair, everyone has the right to an opinion

[toxic ocean]

To me it feels like a weak attempt at Crystal Wanderers, I'm afraid.

[toxic ocean]

👍

[toxic ocean]

Seriously though I want to see Kwhhmmm [Or something ;-;] return at contests.

Crystal wanderers is one of if not the coolest trio of ships in this game.

[stiff sandal]

Hoi

[toxic ocean]

No Fusion you're better off without me <3

[stiff sandal]

Ok lol

[bronze citrus]

Hm

Ill give it a try next time ig

[simple wigeon]

I would like to collab. I am not the best but I might have ideas.

(I am terrible at decor though)

[oak plaza]

can I ask for the current rules before the contest start...?
I have made some ships and would like to see if its just perfect by the rules...

[past bramble]

trying to get a head start?

[oak plaza]

Of course I would...

[past bramble]

im probably gonna sit this one out or cut back on the ship size

[strange mango]

unfortunately, i cant give someone the rules before publicly posting them, as i want the chances for everyone to stay as equal as possible.

[oak plaza]

That's cool...

I understand...

[toxic ocean]

Very cool.

Capital ship DC when ;-;

[strange mango]

unsure, but i am planning on doing a factionless station contest at some point.

[toxic ocean]

Station contest?!

Oh my god I can make an internal spinner station.

[slow axle]

omg

but was already mention multiple time before i think

[normal kite]

things that don’t move? I might stand a chance

[strange mango]

true, ive mentioned this concept before

[safe stratus]

y e s

[stiff sandal]

That would not be a bad idea, stations have alot of potential as a giant canvas

[toxic ocean]

INdeed.

*Indeed.

Plus, NO COST+SIZE LIMITATION BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[wispy vigil]

120x120 cube fest

[flint abyss]

my only station (also stations tends to have illegal sizes, like this one)

[slow axle]

explosive charge ?

[flint abyss]

ahah, yes but it's not AI friendly and well... it's part of the eye ships

those 2

let's say that they are explosive

[toxic ocean]

#1080017602576916540 moment.

[toxic ocean]

@gray tide Later today I'm actually gonna try painting icebreaker.

I'm not that kinda guy to break a promise.

Though... The thing is, I have genuinely no idea how to paint Imperium everything about this ship screams ''Fringe'' to me, this weird triangular/rhomboid shape and the spiky shattered head that really makes the entire thing look like an actual Icebreaker...

Plus like, every single large Imperium has nukes and they ain't the fit of this ship as a missile kiter in my opinion.

[gray tide]

I absolutely despise Fridge from head to toe, but if that's the case go ahead

[toxic ocean]

Why though...

Some of their ships are absolute BANGERS.

[gray tide]

True, some of Cringe's ships are nice, but Bridge's lore is so dull

[toxic ocean]

Hellfire, All for Now, several others I can't remember right now and the brand new additions like the three beautiful steampunk ships and that one.

[gray tide]

In my opinion

[toxic ocean]

I'd say Ridge systems' lore is pretty cool, how they are united solely off of hatred of other factions and that's why they manage to coexist at least somewhat harmoniously.

Basically advanced pirates that have achieved trading and have better things to do other than being generic ''HARRA YARR GIVE ME YA BOOTY'' dumbasses.

[gray tide]

I only like Binge's ships because of their gritty design

[wispy vigil]

Hmmm

[gray tide]

That isn't even real Piracy

Pirates steal Treasure 🤑 , not trade for "treasure"

[toxic ocean]

Look at these masterpieces!

[gray tide]

Bleh, i only like the paint

The shapes are very

Uncanny

[toxic ocean]

Well I said that they're pirates who've become advanced enough to stop their funky chicanery!

[toxic ocean]

YOU'RE UNCANNY-

[gray tide]

That doesn't make them Pirates then!

[toxic ocean]

If you hate asymmetry that's your issue.

[toxic ocean]

Well yeah.

[gray tide]

It's like evolution, Humans aren't apes and Monkerys

[gray tide]

Assymmetry looks good, it just needs good execution

[gray tide]

Exactly, I hope you understand my point

[wispy vigil]

I know it was 1216, one after Magna Carta

[toxic ocean]

Yeah so you are harshly judging DOOR'S execution of the Steampunk style, how ironic.

[toxic ocean]

Yes but I do not understand how somebody can hate Door's new ships.

[flint abyss]

for a moment i thought you were talking about the roblox game

[toxic ocean]

I mean it's FRINGE OFFICIAL STEAMPUNK SHIPS! Are you even alive of you hate them...

[toxic ocean]

RoBlOx dOoRz!1!1!1!

Nah I'm not a toddler :p

[flint abyss]

here cursed asym

[flint abyss]

well, the game is really cool

not roblox, doors is

[toxic ocean]

Okay.

It's named after the Cosmo Architect so it's bound to be an instant 11/10

[past bramble]

I have to agree with novaray the middle one is off putting for me

[toxic ocean]

Then your nuts shall be cracked!

Get it the ship's called Nutcracker

[tired vapor]

last part is literally most players

[slow axle]

plot twist we are the pirate

[toxic ocean]

Too true...

Imagine such a point of view: Some previously unseen foreigners come in who are demigods that can transform their ship with a snap of their hands and use unseen maneuvers to absolute bamboozle you, sweep over every single wanted station and renegade there is in a moment's notice and makes incredibly weird ships sometimes. Their hobbies include disrupting the local economy, attacking and plundering civilians, sometimes just for fun, and casually throwing random residents into the sun.

And the funniest part is that almost every single main character of any open world game can be analyzed like that.

[flint abyss]

imagine what that makes you in starsector
the galatia academy put it best as someone of talent

well, just that we don't make totally new ships

[wispy vigil]

One day, someone should design an AI, that randomly sets, randomly every module in cosmoteer, rotated randomly within the 120² grid, along with completely randomly generated crew roles, direct assignments and such with randomised paint on that,
Until every conceivable design has been designed and that way, we can just select the functional ones that look good

[toxic ocean]

Then we will have ''The Ship Library of Babel.''

Every possible permutation of a Cosmoteer ship.

[wispy vigil]

AI Image generator

[toxic ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awpVjv2-Ow0 Very, very interesting video about such a thing.

[strange mango]

please do try to keep it on topic.

[toxic ocean]

Oh sorry sorry.

[strange mango]

i can understand the chat going a bit off track but im gonna draw the line at non contest related yt links

[toxic ocean]

Yeah I'm cincerely sorry.

[strange mango]

your fine, im just pointing it out

[toxic ocean]

Whew 😔

[tight tapir]

Hey Blake, for the next contest how many stations will we be designing?

If you want to wait for the announcement that's fine

I'm just curious

[toxic ocean]

@wispy vigil that way, we can just select the functional ones that look good

''IDIOT! YOUR ARROGANCE IS YOUR DOWNFALL! YOU CAN NOT EVEN CONCIEVE THE NUMBER WE ARE SPEAKING OF!''

(This is a line from that video don't judge me too harshly)

[toxic ocean]

It won't be the next one.

Blake said it will be some day

---

Anyways back on topic...

I fixed up and remade Verizon's Icebreaker.

Now I have to paint it.

[strange mango]

its gonna be a another factionless ship contest, the station contest will be another one

[slow axle]

-owo

[toxic ocean]

Yes XD

[tight tapir]

Ahh, so the April one will be a ship design contest?

[strange mango]

yes

[toxic ocean]

Yup.

[tight tapir]

Rip okay

[strange mango]

if i had to guess, id say the station contest would be around august. though i cant say anything for sure. also, starting april im planning to hold a contest every other month

[tight tapir]

Alright, thanks

[toxic ocean]

Hey Blake!

Wouldn't it be cool to chain like, two design contests during the summer holidays?

By that, not only would you ensure that participants don't feel crunchtimed and have more than enough free time available, but also potentially get in way more participants.

[strange mango]

from google: "In central India, summer vacation begins in mid-April, and schools re-open in mid-June. In the south, schools finish in the last week of April, and have the entire month of May for summer break, resuming anywhere in the first two weeks of June; at the start of the monsoon season." so that would mean april and may, i think i can make that happen.

no idea why it homed in on india, i literally just searched "summer holiday months"

[strange mango]

but it does depend on how i feel at the end of april. if im not too exhausted from april's contest ill consider it

[toxic ocean]

Fortunately I am smart and to avoid that happening Insent a non-copyable image >:)

[toxic ocean]

.....When should we expect the contest to start specifically?

And also let's do proper advertising this time 👍

@ e v e r y o n e In the announcements channel with explanation should do the trick.

[strange mango]

a: april first will mark the start of the upcoming contest (no im not joking)
b: i will be asking walt for an ingame announcement, and there is a line in the rules that flat out says that its cool to tell others about the contest (within reason, dont go spam peoples DM's or something like that)

[toxic ocean]

The first of April :'>

Fitting.

[toxic ocean]

Damn... I'm really devoid of any ideas ;-;

No idea what to do.

Weird! I had so many ideas of what to do long before the DC starting date came close, and now...

All of them are gone. Reduced to elementary paeticles.

I'm brainstorming and nothing os coming outta there.

[past bramble]

well i would wait for the rules to come out before any planning

[oak plaza]

How about this...
looks over left and right then whispers

Railguns...

[strange mango]

this is a good idea

[oak plaza]

But having a idea right before can be good...

Makes you fully envision what you wanna create...

[strange mango]

yea, but fully making a submission based on theprevious rules is not a great idea is what i meant

[oak plaza]

True, well I guess I wouldn't make ships for now, but you bet that I'll continue Kaine's Scrapyard as the theme...

Unless the criteria changed...

[toxic ocean]

Railfan.

Too bad you can't set ''command loops'' for AI ships to follow, or they'd be able to do basic fanning.

[toxic ocean]

Yup.

[toxic ocean]

This implies that this one will have a catch or at least altered rules, wink wink ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[strange mango]

the rules have indeed changed abit from last time, mostly based on feedback from after the previous contest. though there are some other differences too

[toxic ocean]

Like the price limit? Wink wink

[strange mango]

*the budget has been lowered by 80%, not really, but it might if people keep trying to get me to spill the beans on the new rules before announcement * in all seriousness, the rules will be revealed when they are revealed, and no sooner

[toxic ocean]

Good.

[flint abyss]

oh yeah, what about the ships from last tourney. since i don't play campaign, i don't know if walt did something with them or if it's still like last time

[fast goblet]

Iirc they have to be approved by the Architects first

And this might take a while (as well as there's no guarantee that they will be considered fitting at all, as far as I understand)
So it's better to not expect them to be ever added into in-game fleet rosters

[stiff sandal]

The standards are pretty high

So our chances are rather.. suboptimal

[wispy vigil]

To truly win the design contest, you must first bend down and get the architects to back up your designs

[toxic ocean]

Yeaaaaaah... I can't believe that there's another layer of security even after you've won the contest...

Seeing your ships pop up in-game is truly a prestigious thing.

[toxic ocean]

Heeeeey I already decided on a rough theme for my DC ships :'>

T O O L S

...And just work equipment as a whole.

[vernal lance]

us collabing when

[toxic ocean]

Ya want that...

Well I guess less competition for me :p

I'd like to try my own thing this time though.

[past bramble]

shamblefoul is getting siblings

[stiff sandal]

I wonder if civilian / cargo ships are allowed for such design contests

[toxic ocean]

:D

[toxic ocean]

...I don't think so.

[stiff sandal]

Damn

[toxic ocean]

More sketches because yes.

[stiff sandal]

Maybe in the future then

[toxic ocean]

Mhm.

[toxic ocean]

What do y'all think.

I think of a "Wrecking Ball," "sickle," "sledgehammer" and...

Hmm.

I love tools.

Not unplatonically, of course.

I just don't remember some tools' names, only remember them in Russian/Georgian.

Like, Соль..? The funny metal piece that you wack on with hammer to cut something open.

[deft kayak]

Chisel or wedge

[toxic ocean]

Oh right.

Yeah no matter how well I know English for Georgian standards I am still not flawless by any means.

Still better than most native English speakers :p

[deft kayak]

eh nobody has a perfect vocabulary

[toxic ocean]

True.

I guess Shakespeare did..?

He used 5 times the word count regular modern English speakers do.

[deft kayak]

We're getting off topic I think

[strange mango]

for now, no, but its an option im considering for future contests. no guarantees yet though

[toxic ocean]

Oki 👍

[stiff sandal]

Sounds cool

Il be looking forward to that day then

[toxic ocean]

I don't really care that much.

I like me combat shipeys.

[strange mango]

well there will be plenty combat ship contests, i can tell you that much

[toxic ocean]

:'>

[vernal lance]

how would a civilian contest even go

would it be for the 4 factions or just extra income for the other 4 factions

[stiff sandal]

Scaffold kinda reminds me of one of vildas design contest ships

[vernal lance]

the hell is scaffold

[strange mango]

likely just like a combat ship contest, but with less weapons and maybe another extra rule or two, and it has been established that modern contests will always (with maybe the rare exception if im able to convince walt and the architects but i would not count on it) be about factionless ships

[vernal lance]

would be funny if a civilian contest were just aimless traders

[stiff sandal]

Scaffolding is frames used to help crew make buildings or structures

[vernal lance]

i know what a scaffold is i was talking about the ship

[stiff sandal]

Sorry

Anyways, Could see it working with a railgun on the left and several missile launchers on the right

[strange mango]

love these sketches btw. for how small they are its still really easy to tell what is going on

[mortal cave]

Wait factionless?

[toxic ocean]

Wow that's a lot of pings.

[toxic ocean]

S c a f f o l d.

[toxic ocean]

Thanks a lot! Drawing small miniature models of things like Cosmo ships is my passion.

:>

Pretty old photo and low quality I know.

Contextually appropriate because it contains old ideas for January DC ships.

[normal kite]

I think it’d be neat if there were factionless trade ships that were lightly armed but also were speedy gonzolas’

[toxic ocean]

Hmmm

[strange mango]

yea, contests are about factionless/pirate (i used pirate at first, but people took it as a clue to make the ships "look" like pirates so i say factionless enemy now) ships in modern, thats to still give as much creative freedom to participants as possible

[strange mango]

i can see that you put the effort into it, i used to do a similar thing when i started playing cosmoteer,, although i mostly drew an interesting vague shape did the rest in cosmoteer

[toxic ocean]

Cool.

I have so many more random sketches here and there :>

My notebook is filled with those and then some.

[strange mango]

would love to see more of them, though not in here, as its getting off the intended topic. i guess #general or #ships would work

[toxic ocean]

Sure!

[mortal cave]

Are you going to force people to not make regular faction ships this time? Removing that clause from your ruleset would be cool, it'd help people get their ships in game if they want to

[toxic ocean]

Yes yes yes please do that Blake.

[simple wigeon]

I would like to collaborate with someone, but I am not that good that the game.

[normal kite]

I’m willing to colab if you want help

[stiff sandal]

heya

[simple wigeon]

Thanks for offering, I am fairly ok with Ion cores, so I am not sure how much work would be within your purview.

[strange mango]

so, your saying to both accept faction AND factionless ships? i had agreed with walt to have contests be factionless so i gotta get the greenlight from him first, but i dont see the harm in doing that

[normal kite]

I can do other stuff too 😓

[strange mango]

and it has been greenlit

rules have been edited to include both faction and factionless ships

[stiff sandal]

I would say your a solid painter, yeah

[toxic ocean]

NONONONONO

You two together will be unmatched, uncontested, unparalleled, unprecedented, unrivaled, undefeatable, unapologetically and unimaginably unsurpassable!

[toxic ocean]

:OOOOOOOOOOO

[wispy vigil]

Hmmm

[stiff sandal]

It's just good business

[toxic ocean]

GOAT.

[wispy vigil]

Why specifically that animal?

[toxic ocean]

Because it's also an abbreviation for the Greatest of all time, duh.

[past bramble]

Well this changes things significantly

[vernal lance]

sure

[vernal lance]

but why

[bronze citrus]

whats the next descon gonna be?

theme wise

[past bramble]

no theme restriction

[strange mango]

no theme

[flint abyss]

wasn't pirate already "no theme" but advised theme ?
now it's no theme theme XD

[safe stratus]

Who wouldn't be terrified of defeat?

[strange mango]

pirates was never intended to be the theme or a clue for how the ships should look. it was just the function the ships would fill in game

[slow axle]

that what i've always feel it was

good thing you call it factionless now to clear confusion

[vernal lance]

hehe

nick im coming for you and your blank sketches

with shittier inconsistent ones

[tight tapir]

I use grid paper and make actually to scale diagrams

Don't have them on me right now

[vernal lance]

damn

do you have pictures of them though

[toxic ocean]

I want to kill you.

Next time I will not share my ideas so clowns like you don't kid with me 😒

[vernal lance]

japan st, b30 l59-60 harmony hills, 3023 bulacan

go stab me there or something

hopefully i dont get smacked by mods

[toxic ocean]

What..?

Is this not a joke lol...

...I hope you're kidding.

[vernal lance]

dont worry its a comedy club

[toxic ocean]

:D

Whew.

[stiff sandal]

Let the chaos begin then (team up confirmed?)

[vernal lance]

im not putting my real address lmao

[toxic ocean]

👍
I mean of course.

I got almost scared for a second right there.

[vernal lance]

commence. =)

[stiff sandal]

Stonks

[toxic ocean]

One less competition for me :>

Now I only have to worry for you two and Avocado.

[vernal lance]

2 times harder of an opponent

[toxic ocean]

Indeed...

[stiff sandal]

We just gotta wait for the rules and if much has changed

[vernal lance]

so i guess it evens out

[toxic ocean]

I really want to aim for the first place or at least the top three this time.

[stiff sandal]

The latter is exponentially more likely

[toxic ocean]

I will go ahead steal all these ideas because the tool thing was originally mine so THAAANKS :D

Moar concepts 5 me.

[vernal lance]

i have the copyrights for those and i can sue you yknow

plus only one is a tool

[toxic ocean]

I'd love to see you try.

[vernal lance]

do rachets count as tools

[toxic ocean]

...But if some guy won a court and got like ten thousand dollars after suing himself I can expect anything to happen lol XD

I like the one with DC on the side and nukes on the other.

I'm copying that one :>

[stiff sandal]

Yea

[toxic ocean]

...Except putting my spin on it.

And I said it isn't just tools I'm aiming at.

[vernal lance]

some guy tried to sue a train company because he didnt recieve 2 something of change

[toxic ocean]

Just work equipment as a whole.

[toxic ocean]

Don't say he won.

Please.

[vernal lance]

he won eventually

[toxic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[vernal lance]

lost more money than gained

[stiff sandal]

Corpo, maybe we could make some more asym ships this time around?

[toxic ocean]

Good lesson :D

[vernal lance]

my ships i drew:

[stiff sandal]

We could do that

Then again, I have an idea to upscale one, if budget stays same

[vernal lance]

which one

[normal kite]

wait, that’s corrupt!?

[vernal lance]

nah im corpo

[stiff sandal]

Oops

[toxic ocean]

Corporation.

That's a cute name though :>

[stiff sandal]

Hacksaw seems viable

[past bramble]

4 days to april 1

[stiff sandal]

Indeed

[past bramble]

hmm i was thinking of doing the parasite as a theme but now faction being allowed makes we wanna do imperium again

[deft kayak]

I'll make up for that :)

:)

[toxic ocean]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

dies

Now I have Fusion+Corrupt Avo and Piston to worry about.

Damn.

I'm gonna lose ;-;

[past bramble]

well the competition is very hard

banking on individual ship votes it is

[bronze citrus]

Mm

Im gonna make cabal ships for this descon i think

@tight tapir do you already have a partner?

[stiff sandal]

Told me he was going solo this time round'

[bronze citrus]

Hm ok

[tight tapir]

I'll send when I get home

[tight tapir]

Sorry

[bronze citrus]

Lol no dont worry about it

[simple wigeon]

I would like to partner with someone, I don’t know how much I would help.

[bronze citrus]

Im down. Can you dm me your ships?

Havent really seen you around

@simple wigeon

[simple wigeon]

I’ll send them in like 3.5 hours. I’ll be honest they are not that good.

[strange mango]

all jokes aside, submitting copyrighted ships or ships you did not design yourself will lead to being disqualified

[toxic ocean]

Ooh, what message couldn't be loaded.

[slow axle]

#1059084974655033415 message

it loaded for me

have it

or i misunderstood again

[tight tapir]

Old designs

[toxic ocean]

WOAAAAAH

These are really darn hogh quality!

Puts my concept drawings to shame.

For being miniature and quick to make though they get the job done and look half-decent too.

[tight tapir]

One thing, they aren't that quick to make

But it is very satisfying to look at

[stiff sandal]

Will we be seeing one of these in the future?

[tight tapir]

Most likely not, I've already made one of them, but don't feel much need to make any of the others

Maybe the mini railfan someday

[toxic ocean]

👍

[past bramble]

a ship schematics poster would make cool merch

[oak plaza]

Or a Faction represent...

Some memes and general cosmoteer stuff would be nice...

[toxic ocean]

:o

Walt could try that :'>

Art of a schematic poster of a random iconic built-in with its interior, exterior and blueprints visible, and maybe how exactly it works, plus a short lore/info card.

I think all the ships should have that.

(Talking about lore, not merch)

[past bramble]

ideas and feedback suggestion right there

[toxic ocean]

👍

[slow axle]

by the way do contest ship spawn in game now? (i mean the feb ones)

[toxic ocean]

Hmm

I think this says enough :')

[mortal cave]

Some of em but not the majority

[stiff sandal]

Have the Feb ones already been selected, if so, which ones?

[toxic ocean]

[Early strafer concept]

Oh boi newbies are sure gonna hate this one...

Trying more alpha version ships just to get a gist of what I'm doing.

:)

I'm gonna make three strafers, or maybe two.

I have so many ships planned the 3.5mil budget won't do any good to me it seems.

[mortal cave]

Why cannons if you don't intend to ram?

[toxic ocean]

They have much greater alpha than blasters which are more consistent firing and alpha is a good thing when you're ripping enemies' sides that will probably still have at least a layer or two of armor and will be exposed to you for only a few seconds.

B U T T E R F L Y K N I F E

I like how the edge prongs turned out.

This is far from the finishe ddesign though, obviously.

*Finished design.

[slow axle]

(i took it as anwers to my question?)
oh great!

[toxic ocean]

Not the majority?

🥹

Why are most of them really that flawed?

[strange mango]

as in 'we have verified some but have yet to do the rest' or as in 'only a few got in and the majority wont'? if its the latter that would kinda defeat the purpose of winning by votes as its very likely you wont get in anyway. unless its just a quirk of it having been the first modern contest

[bronze citrus]

Both stylistically and gameplay wise a lot of them seemed either visually lacking or way too powerful and textbook

Imo

[mortal cave]

Latter. And as Jyuuki stated, most of them were either visually lacking or stylistically clashing with the existing roster

[wispy vigil]

What if all of us just submitted colourful UL fast walls for a competition

[toxic ocean]

That would truly be...

An occurrence ever...

[mortal cave]

Then likely very few would be entered into the game

[wispy vigil]

Who'd you vote for, when they are all the same ship with different paint, or even no paint and instead vanta black

[toxic ocean]

:agony:

That's why a DESIGN contest exists.

:>

[wispy vigil]

For one design

[toxic ocean]

Also your submissions looked actually good so not like you can only make vanta garbo.

[wispy vigil]

My submissions clearly came sub par

[mortal cave]

You ought to consider you're trying to match people who get paid for what they do; falling short isn't something to be discouraged over

[wispy vigil]

I know I am average, and that is where I will not over reach from, it is those of whom are paid professionals such as you who would be above average

[mortal cave]

I would say being above average as you put it is the product of time, effort and practice mind you, not innate talent

[strange mango]

true, but that sets the bar for contests very high, which is likely to discourage people from participating. having the majority of the winning ships be rejected also does that. could it be considered that instead of rejecting so many ships, for the architects to update, or even redesign them so that they can still be added in spirit?

[bronze citrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

At that point whats even the point

[mortal cave]

It could be, but that opens a discussion of is it your ship or is it the "architect who revised it"s ship. I wouldn't be opposed, but it begs interesting questions

If it's any consolations I plan on doing paint tutorials

[bronze citrus]

As shrimple as that

[strange mango]

i mean, true, but its better than over half of the winning ships not being added at all

[mortal cave]

They were added

They can be found in-game. Maybe not in career but they are in-game

[strange mango]

i meant added to career

im leafing it up to the players to decide. opened a poll in #tournament-announcements

[past bramble]

is there a guideline that architects must follow when making built ins?

[mortal cave]

A vague one but I would say yes

[past bramble]

is it possible for the guidelines to be published so contest participants have a good idea the limits of what could be considered built in?

[slow axle]

that would be nice

[ionic jay]

I don't see this as a viable option. This is basically just asking us to do a lot of extra unpaid work. Another thing to note is that so many were rejected due to the contest saying that they couldn't be in one of the existing faction styles. If you make a big nuke barge not in the style of the imperium, like Fusion's submission, that's not getting into the campaign without an overhaul.

[strange mango]

walt has said to me that factionless pirates are allowed to use any weapon or part, other than maybe the faction specific decals

i get where you are coming from with the extra work, i would love to hear other alternatives

[tight tapir]

So will the upcoming design competition be a canon faction one?

[strange mango]

both cannon faction ships and non faction ships will be accepted

[tight tapir]

And only ships within and worthy of the current factions will be added to career?

[past bramble]

I thought the contest winners were going to be random factionless privateers

[strange mango]

that was the plan, i just added the option for those that want to submit faction ships

[ionic jay]

The main issue in that specific case is difficulty. IIRC Walt has talked about being able to limit where factionless ships spawn, but I'm not clear on whether that's been implemented yet. We've not heard much about factionless ships in general.

[strange mango]

this is news to me, i was under the impression all enemy ships that fight you no matter rep are meant to be factionless

[past bramble]

Also do we get a chance to overhaul the ships of jan submissions ourselves like classic ships if its rejected?

[strange mango]

good question, im guessing its up to the architects? though if it where up to me idd say yes

[toxic ocean]

I hope AT LEAST The Rotten Core makes it in.

Pretty well-balanced not to mention almost up to architects' level in terms of paint That might be a bit of an exaggeration lol

Plus the whole almost 40 straight hours to fully finish thing.

:>

[ionic jay]

Yes

[stiff sandal]

Really? Nice

[ionic jay]

That's what #1081651425999863949 message is for

[tight tapir]

Will faction ships for this design contest be directly added to the factions?

[strange mango]

not sure how walt would go about adding contest made faction ships

[tight tapir]

Hmm

Well it happened for classic

Although only Quiximo and I updated them

[past bramble]

Can we get the rejection list so we can start working?

[wispy vigil]

That list doesn't exist yet

[simple wigeon]

I am trying to find a teammate for the contest. I think that a tab for people interested in collaborating might be useful.

Is there something like that already in place?

[wispy vigil]

What would your teammate be doing?

[simple wigeon]

Probably paint and making the ideas work right.

[strange mango]

this chat should be fine for that

anyway, im going to go to bed before i say something stupid while under the effect of my sleeping medication

[slow axle]

goodnight

[simple wigeon]

Alright it’s just a bit weird to say I want to be a part of team every so often.

[flint abyss]

well, if it's said in the rules, you accepted this fact by participating

[barren yacht]

i dont mind if architects are allowed to both edit and reject ships from being in career mode as long as edits are done in communication with the original creator

[ionic jay]

They are. We either have to get you to make the changes or have you approve the changes.

[barren yacht]

then what's the point of the vote?

[fast goblet]

Imho the last design tournament had so many winners and so few contestants relative to the number of "winning submissions"

I know that this probably sounds bad, but the quality of many winning ships (mine included) was indeed lacking compared to what architects have created (plus many of winning submissions really did look a bit out of place compared to already established style of ship design)

I personally think that it would hurt the overall experience of players if every single ship from the last contest ended up in the campaign

[ionic jay]

Those are my thoughts as well. Not every ship is fit for the campaign and that's ok. Although don't get me wrong, there were some really good ships that won the last contest.

[tight tapir]

That's true, quality of submissions has gone down since the architects became architects, but the number of winners has increased

[mortal cave]

It's worth noting that even the architects have all actively improved over time as well, and certain old ships of mine I've since updated due to them not meeting the new standards

[toxic ocean]

The new standards are incredibly high and incredibly strict gotta say.

Even your older unmodified ships look great.

...And we had a time in Cosmoteer when shit like THIS could be seen roaming the stars.

...And this.

And this.

[normal kite]

those two in the first image seem like such different sizes wuts goin on

[toxic ocean]

I can go on.

[deft kayak]

I'm planning on updating my Walt's Pick ship from the last classic contest (sorry for reply ping, mobile discord didn't give me the option to turn it off for some reason)

[tight tapir]

That's alright, good luck with that

[bronze citrus]

I would also personally appreciate clearer guidelines for what built-in ships need. After my cancerous experience creating ships for ftds campaigns i think having a clear place where all rules are stated would be helpful. Things more in depth than “must be consistent with factions” and “must be in a good middle ground of difficulty”

[oak plaza]

I just wish there's an update on the ships being assessed, mostly waiting for mine...

As the architects talked, it's either the difficulty or aesthetic is the problem...

Makes me wonder as my ships are "as I would say" fits career due to them not really being strong and has many weak spots...

Not PVP oriented but still challenging nonetheless...

[mortal cave]

In terms of assessment yours would be the case of aesthetics

[oak plaza]

Thanks for letting me know...
Hahahahahaha

Are they lacking designs...?
I don't really know much about painting ships, I've just been letting what my head wants to draw...

Mostly that's what I've been doing on my ship builds...

[flint abyss]

i personally rarely use roles if i don't feel it necessary, so if mine are winning, i may have to change a few, though breach had pretty compartmentalized crew, so it wasn't much of a issue for that one ship

[flint abyss]

but i do agree that my style didn't fit at all the campaign, at least if it were to be in any existing factions

do i intend to change my style ? no. but i could if an architect ask of me afterward. though i can't promise that i can make cabal or imperium paint

heck, i'm going to send my void line to the contest (i have to paint at least 2 other ships)

[oak plaza]

And honestly, this looks cool...
in Aesthetics, it has its own unique design...

thats the word "Unique"...
if people would just be bound to paint in a certain way because it wouldnt fit campaign, it essentially kills the personality of the ship...

Honestly thats why I started my Scrapyard, because of not a faction, but an idea...
Its different enough to be called its own, not a real faction but a raider group...

on purpose that its going to be a pirate in the game...

[flint abyss]

i would love your unedited pirates to be in game. they, as far as i know, fit career if we're talking about pirates

[oak plaza]

well too bad its left to the Architects if its green lit or not...
Saris told me my ships are good gameplay-wise but not fit aesthetically...

[vernal lance]

i feel like none of my ships got in

[flint abyss]

they do not fit any existing factions is what they mean

[vernal lance]

as careernemies atleast

[oak plaza]

I would tell you, your ships would fit right in...
perfect for the pirate/militia/rogue theme...

its just some of your bigger ships are too OP...
you feel me...?

[vernal lance]

true

[flint abyss]

and walt himself said that pirates don't have one defined style

[oak plaza]

but in the first place, I thought we shouldnt lean in to faction ships...
so I made mine clearly different...

[flint abyss]

at least, that what batpony said

[oak plaza]

I petition that we will add another faction to cosmoteer then...?
the Rogue Pirate Militia Group...
Where its not Fringe, we do not trade...
we just kill...

[vernal lance]

the last two are just meant to be imperium rip-offs basically

[oak plaza]

that would fit Fringe...

[flint abyss]

"impending lawsuit"

[vernal lance]

no like, truly imperial

just nukes nukes and nukes

goddamit mirror mode wasnt on for rotting molt

[oak plaza]

Honestly, yea...
these are too OP...
Thats one of the problem that I could see on the contest before...
people submitted PVP oriented ships that will be problematic to fight...

[flint abyss]

they stole everyone and they nukes

[oak plaza]

Well that can fit the Pirate theme...
its just that for its price, the level in game...

It would be a newbie crusher...

The other is a glorified nuke stick, while the other is just a tank...

[flint abyss]

their*

uranium must be getting expensive in the imperium and with the cabal

[oak plaza]

For Aesthetic reasons...
I also petition that Khyber be given a paintjob overhaul...
hahahaha

[vernal lance]

from my testing latter is actually kind of squishy

[past bramble]

with a bit of denuking they could easily fit in fringe

I do wonder if mine passed or not

[stiff sandal]

Same

[slow axle]

i wonder if nick passed

[toxic ocean]

I HAVEN'T PASSED AWAY...

Definitely not.

And I am definitely not planning too.

I don't see why any of my ships would not pass...

Except for Deceased.

All my homies hate difficulty level one noob killers.

[stiff sandal]

those architect got high standards, dreams die

[toxic ocean]

No need for the line.

They HAVE high standards.

Once again, I seriously can't stress enough...

[stiff sandal]

Honestly avokado and corrupt are most likely

They got the game down

[toxic ocean]

THIS Was the kinds of ships that would spawn in the OLD campaign!

[stiff sandal]

True, but this is a different era

[toxic ocean]

Yah.

I'd say our paint is pretty high quality too.

Mine and Snow's.

And yours too Fooshon.

[stiff sandal]

Well, let's see what the architects and devs think

We both got some design issues, even if we can't see them at first

Anyways, I'm very excited for the upcoming design contest

[toxic ocean]

Being a perfectionist and having spent like grand total of like 45 hours meticulously optimizing all four of my/our/whatever ships to death MULTIPLE TIMES, I can safely say that I have little to none.

Without exaggerating.

[stiff sandal]

I was not totally referring to logistics

Switching topics

Your going solo this time right?

[tired vapor]

speaking of logistics i'll optimize stuff if i have time

[past bramble]

thematics is a big issue with the jan contest

unless walt implements actual factionless privateers

atleast we get the choice to overhaul our ships to the 4 factions if we choose to do so

[toxic ocean]

@strange mango When does the deadline for submitting old built-ins end?

[strange mango]

i had no deadline in mind for the editing thread

[tired vapor]

i think it's just an ongoing thing

[strange mango]

pretty much yeah. there is not really a deadline on it

[toxic ocean]

Cool. One more thing:

Should the old built-ins belong to one of four factions or can it also be its own unique thing (I.E. Belong to pirates)?

[strange mango]

either should be fine, pick whatever seems the most fitting

[past bramble]

do both and let the architect decide which one to add in

[mortal cave]

@tight tapir ultimately the only relevant part is the quality of the finished product, and how well it fits into the established theming

As you can see all of these have varying levels of shift from their original design

[normal kite]

did you mod shields or did they change

[mortal cave]

They changed to add hexagons, these screenshots exist from before that was implimented

[toxic ocean]

Old shields used to not have hexagonal patterns.

[toxic ocean]

Yeah... Wish there was an option to revert back to the shields without hexagons. They looked plainer but less of an eyesore when a lot of them are overlapping.

[tight tapir]

So as long as it fits the cabal theme and is an improvement?

[mortal cave]

That is what I said in less words, yes

[tight tapir]

Hmm

What if it's a completely different ship

[mortal cave]

Did... you not see the pictures I posted?

[tight tapir]

All those examples stuck to the principles of the ship

Yeah

So no?

[toxic ocean]

...Also both left and right Stygils look so cexy.

I'd honestly have a hard time choosing between which one should appear in-game.

All the other ones' originals are pretty bad but STYGIL...

[Yes I once again forgot the name of Stygil and had to turn on Cosmoteer just to remember it. In fact I opened Cosmoteer once, forgot why I opened it, closed it, re-remembered, opened it again and only then did I managed to see the name to remember it. I have no idea why am I even saying this]

...Yeah.

Also out of topic

[past bramble]

What time we getting rules for contest btw

[normal kite]

should be tommorow

[toxic ocean]

Yeah it's already APRIL FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS SIKE HAHAHA BLAKE FOOLED YOU ALL INTO THINKING THE CONTEST WOULD START TODAY! HAHAHA!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ALL ARE THIS GULLIBLE AND IT'S INDEED FUNNY HOW DUMB YOU ARE! YOU'VE BEEN COCONUT MALLED!

[slow axle]

but

[deft kayak]

||
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[toxic ocean]

dies

[slow axle]

it's still 31 of marsh for me

[toxic ocean]

:o

Oh right Georgian timezone.

[normal kite]

same, still marsh

[toxic ocean]

My bad.

I spilled the beans too early.

Still though be careful of Blake's harmless tomfoolery. Or not.

[past bramble]

If blakes pulls an april fools then well played

[strange mango]

in less than 14 hours from now, assuming i dont oversleep

[tight tapir]

Have a good sleep

[flint abyss]

sleeping is good

[strange mango]

very true

[oak plaza]

Woah, time flies quickly...
I didn't know it's already April 1...

[tired vapor]

D:

[oak plaza]

What about pirates though...?
Isn't it only fair that pirates have very different looks than the 4 main faction because they don't have any allegiances...?

[oak plaza]

The Power of the East...

[mortal cave]

No, I disagree strongly. Randomly throwing away the similar paint styles to try completely random things that typically don't look good (especially by comparison) I would describe as a bad move

Additionally that isn't really relevant at all given that Avokado explicitly stated that they're redoing Cabal ships

[oak plaza]

Pirates being a ragtag of groups could fit that bill, yes it's random because there is no unified group...

That's already Fringe...

[mortal cave]

The thing about the fringe is that it is by definition everyone else. The only unifying factor is that they are everybody else, resisting the unified main three factions

Why would one randomly have huge paint quality drop off to try and illustrate a point that doesn't even make sense

[oak plaza]

That is why they are pirates, Fringe still has a aesthetic that is polished...

The pirates I think of not, to make sure that people see that there is a complete difference...

Besides Fringe being unified and a faction establish superiority over pirates...

[subtle ferry]

A pirate can become a faction

And organised pirates will have a organise paint scheme also they will need to be able to blend into normal ships or be stolen ships from other faction

The ships can be modifications or more assualt focused or less powerfull, more unlisfensed war crime based design, tons of stuff to do instead of making them broken ship paint designs working on scrap metal

I’d they are a faction they need to be threatening and being made of broken ships and ducttape won’t make them any scarier