Tournament Chat

[trim anchor]

yeah not to mention ammo

[tacit nacelle]

it can just kite

huh, or maybe not

[snow seal]

? what did i say?

[trim anchor]

^

[snow seal]

lol

[snow seal]

plaus can just rotate

[snow seal]

crew size
@young jacinth what does this mean? crew and size? or just crew amount

[young jacinth]

Amount

[snow seal]

okay

so 120x120

[young jacinth]

Yes

[white apex]

an all overclocked tourney to celebrate the new update could be interesting

[short tartan]

@young jacinth what version of the game will the tournament today take place on?

[young jacinth]

just boring old stable

[open crest]

I just had a simple morbiter but tiny to fit the engine needs

[short tartan]

@young jacinth also, i dont have the tournament host role so i cant access the vc

[young jacinth]

@quaint hound youre up first!

(vs rift)

[white apex]

@safe marsh you can fix right? or is it walt only

[short tartan]

@quaint hound where r u

[quaint hound]

what is the passcode

[young jacinth]

cockpit

[oblique apex]

@young jacinth wth is that thing bro 😭 🙏

Baby versus Thermonuclear bomb

[young jacinth]

even aesthetic nukes are op

[quaint hound]

I did not think everyone would bring bricks of armor to a 'squib' tournament

[white apex]

i was expecting people to bring bricks the size of the grid

just weapons

[safe marsh]

Done

I might be a bit late though, just woke up

[young jacinth]

tourney already over but thanks!

[snow seal]

OKAY

i would have crushed the tourney but was too busy

i found sooo much new tech bc of this tourney

so first, if u set power on and detonate charge to the same hotkey, there are no conflicts

second, i learned how to do crew detach unlimited budget but limited control points

problem: you can't autofire weapons or anything to draw crew to reactor

solution: detonate EMP factories

if i had time would had run something like this

[chilly barn]

wow nice

[young jacinth]

@tiny cradle https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1375164291061125170 is only for signups

time is adjusted to your timezone

and ill be hosting

[tiny cradle]

in the rules it says about paint, what's a "noxious paint"?

[surreal pecan]

Cancer paint, designed to hurt participants' eyes. You won't ever make it if you don't directly try, so just don't :>

[tiny cradle]

oh okay, I am just worried I might make it on accident, so wanted an example of what NOT to do.

[surreal pecan]

You can show your own ship.

Unless you have extremely high contrast and repeating patterns you won't be in the red.

And spreading cancer paint is bad so I won't do it.

[tiny cradle]

here are some ships I've made but I have many others, would rather not go thru my entire library

can you just dm me an example of a bad one?

[young jacinth]

as nick said its not something you do accidentally. Youre ships are all totally fine. Dont have an example on hand

[swift heart]

this is the gist of it

[surreal pecan]

Beautiful paint on all of them.

Especially the left small one 👌

[tiny cradle]

thanks, the left small one was inspired by the inbuilt fringe cargo ship made by Vilda, I tweaked the paint scheme a bit, looked at the other ships of Vilda in there and made the fleet with my spin on it.

[short tartan]

@cinder plover income rules are in the document in #tournament-announcements
with Dom fleets you have to find a balance between affordability and effectiveness

from what I've seen ships for 1v1 dom are generally between 100k-350k with exceptions on either end

[hybrid tulip]

@young jacinth

@royal mist and I would like to make an AI tournament. I will host it, stream it, and upload the result to youtube.

Name : Scoutship AI tournament
Ship rules : 90k budget and a hyperdrive (and a reactor) is required to be fitted so the ship is eligible to be a npc in career.
Tournament settings : Round robin, no clouds, 1v1s. If many ships submitted may change to a bracket system.

[short tartan]

@waxen mulch

[waxen mulch]

thanks for the ping

[short tartan]

np

[young jacinth]

Cool idea but you should tell a moderator
Ask them to announce it for you or give you the tournament host role so that you can do it yourself

[hybrid tulip]

oki

[cloud escarp]

Could someone make a thread for the scoutship tourney? Or since this is an AI fight thing do we just turn in our boats and be done with it

[white apex]

@hybrid tulip #1059084974655033415 message

[white apex]

you just turn them in and be done

[cloud escarp]

kk

[hybrid tulip]

You just need a way to evacuate heat without using creative tools

So you could have like one radiator on the ship even if you had a ton of heat generation

[hybrid tulip]

yeah turn the ship in and you're done with it

[hybrid tulip]

Just make sure every part of your ship that's overclocked can eventually be cooled

[white apex]

\👍

[tacit nacelle]

NOO

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1111376340579537048.gif?size=64&quality=lossless&name=despair

[surreal pecan]

I think ammo shouldn't count.

@hybrid tulip If we speak in built in ship terms, they do not count resources, a 91500 credit ship with bullets and hyperdrive is still diff 3.

[hybrid tulip]

Ok I understand how it can be bothering for this small of a budget, but I don't want making the budget counting harder, also it would give cannons another advantage and they are already very powerful at this budget. So, no. The price I will count is the one displayed in the ship gallery when you send me your ship.

[tacit nacelle]

now that's more like it

[surreal pecan]

Noice

[hybrid tulip]

hehe

SHIT I LEAKED THE CREW COMPLEMENT

[young jacinth]

@warm cobalt you can watch the stream

[white apex]

@hybrid tulip we need control room right?

what is the kill criteria? same as elim 100% destruciton?

aka all cr death

[white apex]

oh wait nvm i misread

[white apex]

@hybrid tulip by small arena you mean short rod?

[hybrid tulip]

yeah

how tf would you make a no control room ship

[hybrid tulip]

yeah

[white apex]

fire takes sooooo long to kill :(

[quick kelp]

if anyone can manage it it'll be air

[hybrid tulip]

the fuck is bro cooking 😭

[white apex]

build mode i assume

i don't think anyone actually uses the offline builders

[hybrid tulip]

Yeah but with AI piloting ?

[open crest]

wait the June tourney gets streamed????

[short tartan]

most tourneys do

[open crest]

noooo im gonna embarrass myself ):

[short tartan]

ive embarassed myself more than you ever could dw

[open crest]

eh I’m creative I’m 50% sure I could build something wonky that sort of works

[white apex]

just last more than 15 sec \👍

[hollow socket]

what if you can only last 5 seconds?

[tiny cradle]

Unless you just forfeit, both 5 and 15 seconds would be quite an achievement, as it takes about a minute for a player to take over the points without any resistance.

[hollow socket]

well, you see

i am the worst player at domination,

anything is possible

[tiny cradle]

Oh, one more thing, from what I've gathered, old guard players mostly moved on and probably won't come to play in here, so even the worst players now have a chance at this, no need to be scared.

but on the other hand, painting your ships is very important, even if you lose you'd still get good vibes coming your way from whoever might be watching!

it's half the battle really, so don't skip on painting your ships.

[hollow socket]

i paint some ships

the rest is autopainted

[cloud escarp]

@hybrid tulip Is it okay if we submit ships with pre-updated pricing, even if we haven't submitted a ship yet?

I've been slowly testing ship designs, but I didn't bother to turn them in. I'm kinda devastated by the new thermal part pricing lmao

[tiny cradle]

As Plaus have pointed out BuilderBoy99999 is offering a price for the June No Meltdown Domination Tournament - 2 ship paintjobs for the winner and 1 for the runner up.
BuilderBoy99999 is a new player, who paints his ship and constantly comes up with the styles for new fleets.
Here are some example of his painting skills:

[hybrid tulip]

#tournament-announcements

[cloud escarp]

Alr, good to know we're using pre-update prices thank god lol

[chrome veldt]

What was the change in prices?

I built my entries entirely post-update, so if I have money on the table...

[hybrid tulip]

crossing was 500, pipe was 200, battery was 2k and radiator 8k

so crossing cot cheaper but everything else is more expensive

[chrome veldt]

I've got money to spare, then.

four and a half thousand more

[chrome veldt]

Ship updated

[quaint hound]

How do you Export a ship file from the personal ship library in Cosmoteer?

[short tartan]

go to C:\Users\your account\Saved Games\Cosmoteer\76561199162390786\Saved Ships

in files

[shrewd imp]

that number is your steam ID btw, it changes per person

[quaint hound]

is it more than Ship.png?

[quaint hound]

thank you

[hybrid tulip]

open the ship library, hamburger menu -> open folder

[white apex]

all ship data is stored in it (other than crew names D:)

[quaint hound]

thanks

[tacit nacelle]

really? where are crew names stored then?

oh like individual crew names not crew role names

[chrome veldt]

So the tournamnt in an hour... will it be streamed or something?

[short tartan]

submissions close in an hour, itll probably get done when it gets done

[cloud escarp]

My guess is we'll get a video on youtube w the results in a day or two

It would be super cool to watch the fights live too, but idm too much

[quaint hound]

I wonder if my ship will do well

[chrome veldt]

Since entry is closed, what was your entry?

[cloud escarp]

This was my entry, the "Bastion"

It's designed to last a while against missiles and alpha strike weapons, trading offense for defense. Most parts are OCed

It can punch far above its weight when it comes to missile ships, but decently armored cannon ships tend to overwhelm its heat system before they run out of ammo. I wanted to build the same concept of "just shieldtank ammo ships till ded" but couldn't figure out how to revert to the old version with the right pricing

Tbh, this was built in reaction to what I saw people testing in this channel earlier - missiles, cannons, and the like

[chrome veldt]

Basic sc ship, with enough point defense to handle an LC or two.

[cloud escarp]

..I honestly regret OCing the laser weapon too, unecessary heat generation to be honest. It'll prolly cost me a battle

damn, double vents is nuts lol

[tacit nacelle]

I made this
it'll likely not hit a single nuke

[cloud escarp]

I genuinely don't know which will win between the cannon ship and the bastion, I autofought something similar and the fight was super close

[cloud escarp]

Maybe I tested against the wrong imp ships, but nukes definitely did hit my ship

and the PD wasn't able to destroy the nuke in time. This will probably annihilate mine lol

[chrome veldt]

last man standing?

looks like I consistantly dodge the nukes.

[cloud escarp]

yeap, about as close as it was with a similar ship

[chrome veldt]

that was a dodge, btw

[cloud escarp]

holy yikes

[cloud escarp]

y e a p

[cloud escarp]

this is going to be a nail biter when the tourney video airs

(unless the fights are summarized before they start)

[cloud escarp]

YO

this reminds me very heavily of FTL lol

[chrome veldt]

sniped through the armor gap.

[cloud escarp]

the OC LB does more damage per second than the regular double blaster

it's very strong, and the insta-beam looks nice to boot

that was close though, it may go down differently on markty's video

[chrome veldt]

Yea, dodging that initial double missile saved you. Reran it, and you die to the first salve.

Nelson was ALMOST my entry until I was able to may a Crow variant that beat it.

[cloud escarp]

Too close for comfort

I would have added more armor for the reactor but the heat exchangers can’t reach that far

& a reverse thruster too far from the center would make maneuvering hell. But tbh maybe it’d have been worth it

[chrome veldt]

Notably, Nelson has NO overclocked systems.

so much for front shielding if it aims after the orbiter.

This is why I didnt actually enter Nelson.

[chrome veldt]

Is this a disqualification?

Trying to figure out an armor layout that lets me survive till bastion catches fire.

I cant save the cockpit but I might kill you anyway.

[cloud escarp]

Damn, the other one made it look easy lmao

[cloud escarp]

I don’t think so? Markty went and added doors he found were missing anyway

Nothing in the rules states crew had to have access to the hatch/hyperdrive, but I think markty just forgot to mention that bc he corrected it

[chrome veldt]

"Easy" in that Nelson has less foward thrust than Crow has backward.

[cloud escarp]

Ohh interesting

[hybrid tulip]

I have a very different approach to tanking on my ship

I tested it to tank nukes

Large cannons

OCLC

OCDC

HE

OCHB

Basically my ship can tank anything and it's redundant enough to eat a nuke and still fight

[quick kelp]

these 2 very similar ships

[chrome veldt]

a bold strategy, cotton!

[quick kelp]

tbh i was mostly using this tourney as an excuse to try out imperium-style OC ships

[chrome veldt]

You saw my Crow, right? Totally Imperium style

[cloud escarp]

oh interesting, I wonder how it'll look

[cloud escarp]

TOO BOLD TOO BOLD

[chrome veldt]

I think we can call this one here.

[cloud escarp]

yeah oof, rip in pieces

[quick kelp]

i've probably seen it but i don't remember it

[cloud escarp]

I did actually make a variant with a structure shield but it got too in the way of the design

(and costed precious credits)

[quick kelp]

also btw: the birb my ships are named after

[cloud escarp]

bird alert

[quick kelp]

i knew the really close attack default would work well

[chrome veldt]

Cant win them all

remach, same result

dorito battle

[cloud escarp]

I wonder how these are going to match up to the missile builds I saw

[chrome veldt]

Mission kill

[cloud escarp]

a couple days ago I saw people making thermal canister setups

oof

[quick kelp]

yeah layout's too similar and you've got the firepower advantage

[cloud escarp]

it's interesting that this situation is kind of like rock paper scissors lol. My ship, yours and theta's all are in a win triangle

theta beats sup3r, sup3r beats rakaydos, rakaydos beats theta

[chrome veldt]

Pinki dodged the first salvo!

However...

Wins the rematch!

[cloud escarp]

That's a nice argument, unfortunately: nuclear bomb

Tbh I kind of wish I tried submitted a triple nuke alpha strike forward facing ship, it would probably do quite well

from my experience forward facing nukes hit way more often than sidelaunched ones

[chrome veldt]

Round 3 was a nail biter

[cloud escarp]

Ouf

I’m away from my pc rn but when I’m back I’m going to test something

[short tartan]

i built this, its named "small problem"

[chrome veldt]

Time for mutually assured destruction....

[hybrid tulip]

It's actually pretty regular looking

[chrome veldt]

this isnt looking good for the orbiter!

Round 1 to the cannons

Lucky shot on the rematch...

And orbiter wins the tiebreaker

Nuke vs Point Defense...

Missed his shot

And a quick death to light laser.

2/0 to a missed nuke and a weak core.

Quality vs quantity!

Slip the haymaker...

And again with the weak core

[cloud escarp]

nuke moment

[chrome veldt]

Saw it coming a mile away.

Fantail up next...

Direct hit on the nose... but pinochio wins this round!

A bold strategy, cotton...

Picks up the spare!

no such luck in facetanking the nuke on round 2

[cloud escarp]

Wait I forget, is the ammo added to the cost for ships?

[chrome veldt]

yes

I had to give crow a half load

[cloud escarp]

damn, alright doin' some maneuvers

[tulip monolith]

that ammo cost bit is why i had to downgrade my ships thrust sligtly

[chrome veldt]

Pika slips the nuke on the first pass, but it's still got it's maneuver...

Survives a back quarter hit!

Caught in a spin, still manages to snipe the core.

Another nuke to the face...

And a LC one-Two to finish it!

Round three wasnt so kind. Cant facetank them all

[hybrid tulip]

I'm the tournament host the hell is happening

[chrome veldt]

Pregaming?

[hybrid tulip]

x3

[cloud escarp]

@chrome veldt give this a shot

quick and dirty build called "Gambler". The fate of the battle is decided t-minus 5 seconds after the payloads launch.

(this isn't competing, but I want to see how it does

[chrome veldt]

Bonus round! Gambler vs Crow V2!

I'm sorry, I blinked. What?

[cloud escarp]

that's fast, the nukes are likely to m-

guh?

apparently missiles need even more extra space, damn

[chrome veldt]

Round 2, in slow mo...

[cloud escarp]

goodness gracious

I wonder why the nukes aren't firing?? are they scared?

[chrome veldt]

...AND THE MISSILES ARE AWAY!

[cloud escarp]

oh boy

[chrome veldt]

That was all the FIRST VOLLEY.

[cloud escarp]

I didn't actually realize how close range nukes were, didn't occur to me cannons outranged em

oh, it's only one volley lol

alpha strike nuke

[cloud escarp]

the nukes ended up there??

[chrome veldt]

Passed the nukes while they are deciding a target.

[cloud escarp]

funky

[chrome veldt]

And round 3, cockpit down before the nukes even launched.

[cloud escarp]

damn

range needs to be taken account for a lot more than I thought, no wonder other launchers launch sideways

wait, I have.. I have an idea...

[chrome veldt]

Nelson, the other non-tourny ship, is up next...

Nukes outrange the non-overclocked guns of the older ship...

One hit, no kill.

On the rematch, three direct hits.

And round 3 goes to the gambler!

[cloud escarp]

oh wow, it actually hit!

[chrome veldt]

Nelson didnt spring for overclocked thrusters.

[cloud escarp]

in the meantime, here's the mk2 design if you'd like to try

OC engines my beloved

[chrome veldt]

I think I can I think I can...

[cloud escarp]

tension level maximum

[chrome veldt]

Nukes dodged at under 10m/s!

[cloud escarp]

oh damn!

[chrome veldt]

On the remach, Nelson is REALLY moving this time!

[cloud escarp]

Nelson prepared to dodge the death barrage

I can't believe there was a time nukes were homing

[chrome veldt]

And shot right into the flank.

[cloud escarp]

o o f

my old design is probably going to die a very dead death

[chrome veldt]

Round three... missed by a country mile.

[cloud escarp]

oh no, quite the opposite

dodged easily

[chrome veldt]

even the orbiter was missing the initial pass a lot of the time. But he could reload.

[cloud escarp]

close!!

it seems like if the target is moving at slow speed, nukes are significantly more dangerous

ok after three attemps it got em lol

here comes the sun..

[chrome veldt]

Round 1

[cloud escarp]

oh, well.. this is awkward.

[cloud escarp]

damn!

nuke on nuke violence

[cloud escarp]

ouf

[chrome veldt]

Yea, you're kinda pulling a Gohan here.

You survive this one!

But, uh, about that...

[cloud escarp]

lmao

[chrome veldt]

"It was at that moment he knew, he fkd up."

So, this one didnt make the tourny because it doesnt have a hyperdrive.

[cloud escarp]

I tried making a railgun ship too but I just couldn't make anything that had any form of defenses

[chrome veldt]

Round 1 ended in the first volley, but round 2 is offering a bit of a fight...

Yea, no shot. Orbiter was too fast to like up the railgun.

Illegal pregaming continues...

charging...

One hit, half the battery.

and the laser snipes the gunbarrel.

Round 2

Second shot before the gun breaks. sniper laser for the win.

Cannons are less accurate, and the first shot takes half the nose.

Accurate enough for round 1, though

Just enough armor to thake the hit and keep going.

the lack of barrel shielding is really hurting the rail. but fantail isnt handling the hit nearly as well as Crow.

"But that's our own armor!" "It's in my way."

first hit crippled fantail

Round 2, lasers finished off the rail just after it fired.

Round 3... Draw?

nope, fantail's missiing a reactor.

Piwa's not going for the barren snipe...

I call it cloak and dagger.

Saved by the other guy's armor.

And a kill

Round two, first shot is brutal.

Unfortunately, the damage is forcing Piwa to do the best possible thing against a rail... orbit. Despite it's own best efforts.

...really man? the reactor? Now you're just teabagging.

Rail vs nuke

Direct hit on the cockpit.

Round 2 Almost a double kill

[chrome veldt]

Looking back through my pregaming, of the ships allowed into the pregame, the nuke orbiter and Crow are both 3/1, Small Problem is 1/3, Piwa/fantail have a combined 2/6, and bastion has a respectable 2/2 record.

[cloud escarp]

man poor rail boat

he just can't win ever

[short tartan]

doesnt this need a hyperdrive to qualify?

[cloud escarp]

I'm glad Bastion is doing so well though, after so much time in this game (over 400h) even though it's a tiny ship tournament my designs are actually, kind of, holding up

[chrome veldt]

it didnt qualify, but it does have hyperdrive in the nose

[short tartan]

oh i missed that

ty

[cloud escarp]

allg lol, I didn't enter it anyway (experimental design)

[chrome veldt]

So far, it lost to nuclear bombardment, and a ship that stuck it's guns UNDER your shields.

[white apex]

oh it's today

i forgot :(

[chrome veldt]

Didja enter earlier?

[white apex]

i prepared some ships

[chrome veldt]

but did you ENTER. :p

[white apex]

nope :(

[quaint hound]

My two ships that I submitted were Fire Cracker and The Lazer Rocket.

[cloud escarp]

Ohh these are neat :) very bulky

[quaint hound]

Up to chance with Sup3r87 nuke ship but Mungbean's just kill both my ship every time

[cloud escarp]

Mungbean's is definitely a better design, since it can rebuild and launch way more nukes thanks to storage

for my nuke design, I was just like "what is the highest amount of damage I could possibly do as soon as the fight starts" and the answer is three nukes

[desert sky]

I have submitted a small PD design but I think it's rather unfortunate we will have only a few submissions due to the deadline shortness

[chrome veldt]

I've run Laser Rocket vs Crow like 50 times now. it's not a tie, exactly... it's "whoever is on the left loses." I dont know why.

[upbeat ridge]

ai chirality is wild

[hybrid tulip]

Shit that's a lot of fights

[supple vapor]

I don’t think I can make the dom tourney ):

[hybrid tulip]

Round 1 of the round robin

(null is because you can't fight yourself)

[chrome veldt]

With round robin, you can literally do Player 1 vs player 2, P1 vs P3, P1 vs P4, down the list, then P2vs P3, ect

[hybrid tulip]

Yeah that's what I'm doing

Hum

@waxen cradle what kind of dark magic is that

[waxen cradle]

splash damage

[quaint hound]

Is there going to be a video? for the round robin turny

[hybrid tulip]

Yes

I'm going to make a video per rotation

[quaint hound]

nice

[hybrid tulip]

else ima run out of storage x'3

[quaint hound]

makes sense

[waxen cradle]

can I see the design of the ship that just got blasted?

[chrome veldt]

Looks like this one? #1020489415476396043 message

[waxen cradle]

WHAT IN THE BLACK MAGIC

[chrome veldt]

Online lag?

[waxen cradle]

no that tourn is offline with bots

thats just my ship i entered

somehow, some way, that OC HL blast hit the reactor

through all this armour

[hybrid tulip]

Not reactor, cockpit

cockpit was just obliterated

[waxen cradle]

oh

that looked like the reactor blew

[chrome veldt]

The angle looks like it nailed the gap between the launcher and the armor, but it still bypassed a block of armor to do so.

This is why I ran best of three last night.

[waxen cradle]

no i think I know what happened

[hybrid tulip]

Overclocked Heavy Blaster has AOE

[waxen cradle]

not enough aoe to kill the cockpit tho

just tested, it deal 1k dmg with the aoe

there is no way that one shots

[hybrid tulip]

Broo

[hybrid tulip]

bug ?

isn't it 1k per tile ?

[hybrid tulip]

My ship just camped

[waxen cradle]

has to be

i could only get it to do 1k

[waxen cradle]

lol what did the AI do here?

[hybrid tulip]

My ship engaged like normal but the dc recoil made the dc ship go into the rod, and then my ship just turned around and ran away

but like it didn't even go to the center

it wen all the way to the rod on the other side

[waxen cradle]

huh

[hybrid tulip]

tested it, deals 4k

1k/tile

[waxen cradle]

but it splashed on armour

the armour should have taken the hit and then 1k splash

[hybrid tulip]

not an explosion

it's 1k damage on every tile hit

not reduced by armor

[waxen cradle]

wait so it somehow hit every tile of the cockpit?

[waxen cradle]

ik that just the armour should stop the aoe from being that close

to hit all 4 tiles

[hybrid tulip]

There's probably a pixel wide zone that allows to splash on all four tiles

I tested it and I have been able to hit 3 tiles

[chrome veldt]

Doesnt pen resist reduce AOE?

[waxen cradle]

not for OC HL

it's AOE isn't an explosion

[hybrid tulip]

no AOE isn't explosion

[waxen cradle]

ok so, this is a bug right?

unintended behaviour?

[chrome veldt]

godpixel, at least.

[young jacinth]

Noooooo

[hybrid tulip]

Here is the score for round 1

Your score is the average of all your ships, if you have two of them

[cloud escarp]

yoo

[hybrid tulip]

hi

[white apex]

you can just do 18 (which is 17+1) * 8 + 9

[hybrid tulip]

thanks

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/kf_3iGNQdAU?si=y00Hjhnya4_XtkTV

Here is the first video

[cloud escarp]

lesgo

[desert sky]

Humans never scroll down

There are actually a ton of submissions, wow!

[cloud escarp]

oh, poor crackshot melted

also that first fight was an absolute nail biter lol

[tulip monolith]

i think you missordered the score for my ship,

[hybrid tulip]

I did

Yeah

Oopsie

[cloud escarp]

woww, a ship being beat by losing all crew

[tulip monolith]

interestingly i dont think any ship other then mine uses overclocked thrusters, so i have a speed advantage i think

could be wrong tho, its hard to see if they do

[short tartan]

i shoulda armored the reactor

[tulip monolith]

ye, launchers ar squishy

[cloud escarp]

mine uses overclocked thrusters as well, but they're more for just being able to move, less for maneuvering

After all the fights there should be a big rumble with all the scoutships at once lol

[tulip monolith]

if that happens the lowest cost ship is gona win

due to ai targiting shenatigans

[chrome veldt]

Crow's thrusters are directly wired to the radiator.

[tulip monolith]

guessing weil just ignore the thermal battery bit for the torny

[hybrid tulip]

I'm using old prices anyways

when batteries cost 2k, rads 8k and pipes 200

so yeah I ended up crashing and my game updated so future videos will have some ships be above 90k

But all of them were below 90k when the tourney was announced

so it's fine

[chrome veldt]

...round 2... FIGHT!

[hybrid tulip]

Here are the results

The video going to be uploaded soon

[cloud escarp]

the plot thickens

[hybrid tulip]

My perfect ship got beaten by a oc scannoneer that was staying at range ;-;

[tulip monolith]

that was me wasint it

unless its this round and not the last one

[hybrid tulip]

this round

[cloud escarp]

I was considering making a missile kite for this tournament but I'm glad I didn't due to the amount of PD nearly everyone used lol

[hybrid tulip]

last round I got perfect

[hybrid tulip]

You little prick :3

[cloud escarp]

I'd like to get perfect a round, will be interested to see what happened this time

[hybrid tulip]

Cannon innacuracy carried you

[chrome veldt]

Absolutely.

You can control the spread by controlling the range.

[white apex]

i had alpha sc/eb (both boosted) ship in the works

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/Ahsu6Lf3r_4

[chrome veldt]

I find this amusing- opposite sides of the safe zone and still shooting at each otehr.

[tulip monolith]

ah so now i know how i lost the second one, it was an armored brick

[short tartan]

damm, I'm loosing hard

[chrome veldt]

I think I have a decent shot of being on the podium at the end.Maybe not 1st, but top 3.

[cloud escarp]

armor is a lot stronger than I espected for this tourney

THAT WAS CLOSE OMG

top 10 blunders

[hybrid tulip]

I think I'll win or be close second ;3

[chrome veldt]

Hubris, thy name be Organizer!

[hybrid tulip]

I spent so much time optimizing my ship

I tested it against every playstyle

It lost against one

And another one in practice

When I was testing I tested cannons at close range not long range

[hybrid tulip]

Postponing further rounds until that is fixed

[chrome veldt]

"That" being the premature nukes?

[barren aurora]

So this is the channel for this tournament!! I was so confused for a while

[desert sky]

You tested against our ships?

[hybrid tulip]

Nope I didn't

When I say I tried it against everything

I can show you what ship I tested it against

I didn't use any of you guys ships for fair play

[barren aurora]

I'd like to see that, personally

It's also really funny that Crackshot's in the top bracket right now, when I did literally zero testing

[chrome veldt]

I tuned my point defense to handle OC LC shots. DC turned out to be out of my scopem you you took me out in 2 hits.

Considering LCs and unclocked shields were the only testing I did do, I'm in the same boat.

This was my test target/backup entry

After I trimmed down this thing

[hybrid tulip]

Tested all these designs against each other

Planned to use these ships at first

I ended up using them for testing

Tested it against nukeships

It survived 90% of the fights

Against this for shield penetration

And a few built ins, Ternion (close range LC), Duster (Missiles to the back were very deadly, at first the cockpit was in the back to use hyperdrive as armor. Also the armor triangles on the back are against missiles too. I survived on average one more missile with them)

And.... candelwick

I could never beat candlewick

It just kited me to death

so I made my own version

but... It only countered my ship

it died to basically everything with a shield

so I scrapped it

I think I accidentally deleted the file for it, oopsie

So here's the final ship I'm using

It had more thrust in the rear at first, but I changed it cuz I wanted it to turn faster to not get flanked

The capacitors are the goat

[barren aurora]

Interesting

I'm kind of surprised that you didn't overclock anything

[chrome veldt]

After the mandatory equipment (cockpit, reactor, hyperdrive, Airlock, 6 crew) a single radiator (also mandatory if you overclock) is literally 1/5 (1/4 now) of your remaining point cost, just for the opportunity to OC things.

That's a pretty valid handicap for non OC designs.

[cloud escarp]

Yeah the fact radiators are mandatory makes oc options limited

Although I still liked getting around that and trying to make something that works

[barren aurora]

Fair enough

Personally, if I were to have done another build, I would have used two small shields (not overclocked), an overclocked capacitor, and as many overclocked small lasers as I could reasonably fit

[waxen cradle]

I do think natural dissipation should be a little better so you could say, have a small ship with 1 OC small cannon and no radiators

probably need hella armour though

[chrome veldt]

If we reran the tourny with new entries, I think I'd want to give this a shot...

[waxen cradle]

ion is currently bugged

so no

its dealing like 4x more damage than its meant to or smth

[chrome veldt]

I forgot the hyperdrive, so I needed to trim 10k anyway.

Markty will be happy...

Trimmed to fit hyperdrive

[cloud escarp]

terrifying

actually, the most terrifying thing to me is that you somehow figured out how to afford two vents and a beam

[chrome veldt]

on current patch prices, too!

[quaint hound]

As s Joke I thought of submitting this

Panic ball It could maybe survived until the rod closed in and maybe break a tie with its paintjob

[chrome veldt]

Y'know, if you figured out a speed that would get you to the center of the map as the ROD closed, and infinite-fired thrusters to reach it, It might actually stand a chance.

[quaint hound]

The problem was that I could not figure out how to get the optimal presets. Like I could not get it to preset infinite thrust. The Paint was also added after the start of the tournament

[desert sky]

It looks devilish if I may say

[short tartan]

good luck to everyone for tommorow

[cloud escarp]

what occurs tomorrow?

[short tartan]

domination tournament

[hybrid tulip]

you can't submit more ships btw

the tournament already began

it's just paused atm because of the nuke bug

[chrome veldt]

yea, yea... sigh

[hybrid tulip]

Nice concept though

[waxen cradle]

can i unsubmit a ship?

[hybrid tulip]

nope sorry

[waxen cradle]

rip my score

[young jacinth]

rift made the bracket: https://challonge.com/g7jflfsa

@cinder plover @open crest

bracket updated for missing players

@frigid hedge youre up agaisnt rift

[frigid hedge]

uh what is the password

[short tartan]

pride

[frigid hedge]

ok

[young jacinth]

@tiny cradle

[short tartan]

@bright anchor @frigid hedge youre up, have fun

@tiny cradle youre up

[open crest]

I overslept

[frigid hedge]

oof

[short tartan]

youre up

[young jacinth]

youre up

[short tartan]

our rematch

[young jacinth]

@tiny cradle very creative ships. Some of them have potential

[short tartan]

@young jacinth @bright anchor your up

[frigid hedge]

now you fight for who gets 1 more paint than the other

[tiny cradle]

GG everyone, thanks for participating!

[frigid hedge]

Congratulations to our winner Artem and our runner up Plaus.

As your reward Artem, you may send 2 ships to be painted by me.
As your reward Plaus, you may send 1 ship to be painted by me.

Please send the ships you want painted here

Or if you don't want paints feel free to not send those ships

@young jacinth @bright anchor

[frigid hedge]

Alright not going to judge you

What about you @young jacinth, do you accept my reward?

[supple vapor]

Wp all players I only saw the finals I’ll have to go back and watch the rest of the matches some other time

Congrats artem

[short tartan]

congrats to all players, well done

[young jacinth]

yea thanks. Ill look for a ship

[granite river]

nice password 🔥

[tiny cradle]

Since Artem won, and Walt said we can call this an official tournament, shouldn't he get a champ role?

[young jacinth]

It wasnt an official tournament

[white apex]

where did you get this information

[tiny cradle]

I asked Walt in ask-walt, about it and he said it depends on the tournament host, which I then pointed out was Plaus, to which Walt replied, if that is the case, we can call it official. But yes, I suppose "can" doesn't mean we have to.
I also asked if Walt wanted to play, even offered him the ships if he didn't have any, but he said he didn't want to.

[white apex]

then plaus needed to reach out himself and make a nicer tournament doc and there would have been announcement in game

[cloud escarp]

are the scoutship fights going to resume at some point?

[chrome veldt]

Once the nuke boats have weapons again.

[cloud escarp]

Ah, ic

[hybrid tulip]

😭

[hybrid tulip]

I'm probably going to announce the next tournament because I planned to organise it one week after the end of the first one, with a one month deadline

[quaint hound]

Nukes are back and so is the turney

[tulip monolith]

yeee

[cloud escarp]

yippie!!!

[quick kelp]

i have submitted a ship for the patrol ship tourney

[hybrid tulip]

Round 3 results !

I disabled the red lines for next time

;3

https://youtu.be/tinEnkcwW8M

@tulip monolith I'm surprised your ship got 5 wins, maybe I shouldn't have dropped the 4 ocsc build

And @barren aurora too

I tried the 1 OCDC archetype but I thought it was going to be bad

apparently not

[tulip monolith]

thats way better then i expected

[hybrid tulip]

Imagine 3 way tie in the end

[hybrid tulip]

@lucid turtle @cloud escarp @autumn trail @quaint hound

Some of your fights in round 3 will have a rematch because a bug related to heat exchangers generating infinite heat once they cap out

For anyone else who experienced this bug, either I judged it insignificant either you won despite being penalized by the bug (admiral grant notably)

In future rounds I will put in the spreadsheet which fights will have a rematch

[tulip monolith]

if i recal corectly, my ship actualy has a slight surpluss of heat removal, so it cant even get hot enught to overheat

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/jxEgf0j9L9M

[hybrid tulip]

I think you do experience the bug

but it didn't matter in the end

[tulip monolith]

what on earth was my first fight, it like juked the other ship

also, woo, 7/8 kills

(so far)

[hybrid tulip]

(e) means rematch needed

For people waiting for rematches, your score might be temporarily lower here on the total

[tulip monolith]

i guess rose, derfael and you might be the ones to watch out for,

also rip snow somehow not haveing any yet

[hybrid tulip]

My ship really is "Jack of all trades, Master of none"

I got range, disruptor, armor, rotation speed and even some light back protection against missile which I think saved me a point actually

[hybrid tulip]

he had one but the bug was causing his opponent to huh... Kill themselves

Snow wasn't even in range

so rematch it is

[desert sky]

I must confess, I have no ideas how to test

Having my only win being exploding my opponnent without touching sounds badass enough for me though

[hybrid tulip]

how to test ?

[lucid turtle]

I'm not very convenient to get a Youtube account. May I take a look at the designs of each contestant, please? @hybrid tulip

[hybrid tulip]

oh yeah sure

[lucid turtle]

Thanks!

[hybrid tulip]

Is there any platform I can send the tournament videos to so you can access it ?

I could compress them to send them on discord too

[lucid turtle]

Discord is OK

It would be too troublesome if he were posted on the platform in China

Thanks!

[hybrid tulip]

You welcome :3

[desert sky]

like you you tested "against all possible playstyles" I tested, if my thrusters and weapons had sustain 😅

[hybrid tulip]

i used battle helper against a ton of ship I felt like were relevant to test against

Like testing against duster for back missile defense, ternion against overwhelmin firepower, small ion kites, quad ocsc ships, nukes.

If it exists, I thew it at my combat eagle

[hybrid tulip]

@lucid turtle

they might not be in order but that doesn't matter much it's a round robin

I'll also up the quality for the following ones I kinda went overkill tbh

[lucid turtle]

OK! Thanks

[cloud escarp]

I wonder if the algo likes my paint bc my ship has shown up on 3 of the 4 thumbnails lmao

[hybrid tulip]

lmao

[barren aurora]

I didn't test 😭

[hybrid tulip]

Also most of the testing was to try to get the ennemy ai to hit where I want it to hit

AKA my armor

And making sure mine would target properly against weird setups

My strategy is "you can cheese my ship, but bro it's not worth it"

AI likes to not target reactors too far back inside the ship, so I put just the right amount of armor for my reactor to be protected but still targeted (I don't want to lose weapons)

Shit

stuff not uploading

[tulip monolith]

ye discords being weard right now i think

[hybrid tulip]

At some point I tried an asym build that looked like this to get more rotation speed and focus fire

[quick kelp]

contraption

[hybrid tulip]

Dropped projects

• Evolution of the final ship

[chrome veldt]

Thermal systems are bugged now, though

[chrome veldt]

I'm pretty sure both my matches need rematches here. You say the second match was too short for it to matter, but my ship is SUPER vulnerable to he bug, and you didnt record a good enough view of my ship to confirm or deny whether it affected anything.

[hybrid tulip]

I'll do some testing, my reasoning was that the fight only lasted a few seconds and both of you had the bug

[hybrid tulip]

Your ship in the tourney literally fired 3 volleys only. Looking as, without the bug, your ship still does overheat a bit, whereas your opponent doesn't, as they use one less thruster to go forward, I think the issue wasn't that the bug even occurred, I don't think it even did, I think out of your 4 guns, one of them overheated and grant got really lucky with bullet spread, nailing your storage and killing your cockpit.

If @tulip monolith agrees to a rematch I'll allow one, but else, I don't think it's warranted

I think what happened is that grant hit the gun just enough time to detonate the storage

[chrome veldt]

The fires don't happen (not for awhile) without the bug. If they were what allowewed the freak hit, before I've had time to drain the stored ammo, that's the bugs fault, even if it's short.

What I'm really annoyed about, though, is that we're just guessing, because the video of that matchup is absolute crap. We can't reconstruct any details because they're smaller than the compression.

[hybrid tulip]

Even using the raw file I can't figure much. I don't recall fires occuring before getting hit during the match either

[white apex]

do you still habe the .recs

just keep them

[hybrid tulip]

I'll see, how to play them ?

[white apex]

archive them first since they'll overwrite each other as you try to view them

and probably give them an actual name

u shou,d probably start doing that as standard procedure after any tournament matches anyways

[hybrid tulip]

how many recs are held

[white apex]

10 by default iirc

[hybrid tulip]

how do I play them

Ok I found how to play them

how do I stop it going 2.5x speed

Here is the replay file

it desyncs in the new version

[hybrid tulip]

I'm second 😭

[cloud escarp]

I keep winning 1 of 2 fights every god damn round

[quick kelp]

my ships continue to do 'eh kinda decent i suppose'

[hybrid tulip]

@chrome veldt @tulip monolith to you both agree for a rematch (round 5) ? Despite having the replay file I can't verify if the duel was indeed glitched (desync because of update) so it wouldn't be fair for me to force one, but Rakaydos' concerns about the glitch having affected the outcome aren't baseless either.

Round 6 :

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/CPH0MvFkWHo?si=l_B6azBTJpQDTgoQ

https://youtu.be/ZhMcZxNhBt4?si=fosP-CdUTmX0PVTu

[cloud escarp]

@hybrid tulip is it okay if some parts are powered by reactors and other by capacitors for the 180k tournament?

or does it have to be reactor powered everything

[hybrid tulip]

As long as the capacitors can be recharged

Your ships basically have to be "reusable"

it's not dom

[cloud escarp]

ic ic

[hybrid tulip]

2 rounds remaining

7 and 8 are the last

with 17 ships, each ship has 16 opponents, and fights twice a round

8 rounds

I wrongfully assumed I was going to do 16 rounds lmfao

I just need the rematches afterwards

[desert sky]

first if you turn the ranks upside down 🕶️

[hybrid tulip]

If you're lucky you can still beat rift

[tulip monolith]

sure, i'm winning anyways

honistly the best part about this is that its not even the most powerful version of the ship, since due to ammo costs i had to downgrade the forwards thrusters and some armor

[chrome veldt]

Thanks. Even if you win, the camera work on that fight was AWFUL. I couldn't even watch my own fireworks!

But seriously, markty, more picture-in-picture of the other guy when in closeups would be great. Mine wasn't the only fight where I wanted to know more about what was happening on the other ship

[tulip monolith]

lol the fight between THETA and me was funny, my ships just like 'you want to fight? fine' then goes from full reverse thrust to full forwards thrust and second salvos the reactor

literaly a 10s fight

[hybrid tulip]

Bro your ship's AI is dark magic

[tulip monolith]

its just the normal ramorbiter setting

but yea it does seem to go absoultely nuts

[hybrid tulip]

ok lads round 7

Almost there !

(if you won twice but gained only one point it's because I removed all the rematch points and added one more round only for rematches)

The video is converting and I'm doing round 8 currently

[desert sky]

Am I yet to fight Rift's ship?

[hybrid tulip]

You're fighting rift next round

[hybrid tulip]

You won

[desert sky]

wohooo

[hybrid tulip]

I'm dumb I said next round but I just finished recording

I'm filing the spreadsheet

Round 8 lads ! Only 5 fights remaining !

Holy jeez this is tight

This tournament is going to have a lot of meme potential

https://youtu.be/U6Q7dhh_lIg?si=ULctMRa7MWu-Pedq

https://youtu.be/PK6RImgssig

[tulip monolith]

i think i'd have 13? i might just be bad at math tho

[quaint hound]

I did not do good in the last round

[hybrid tulip]

No, by round 7 you got 12 points. You lost 1 fight and have 1 rematch pending, out of 14 matches

[tulip monolith]

yea i'm bad at math,

didint acount for losses i think

basicly 13, +1 unacounted (rematch pending), then -2 for the losses

basicly i forgot how 16 worked

[hybrid tulip]

That's if you win the rematch x3

Rakaydos has 3 rematches and might end first lol

wait

[chrome veldt]

4 remaches if we count Admiral Grant, IIRC

EVERY match while bugged went poorly for me.

[hybrid tulip]

Yeah

damn

[chrome veldt]

Xsnow, Digital Abyss 2, Sub3r87, and Admiral Grant.

[hybrid tulip]

Damn you only truly lost one match

the two zeros were bugged

[chrome veldt]

We'll see how Admiral Grant's remach goes.

Also I shouldnt underestimate Digital Abyss.

[hybrid tulip]

Digital abyss has some very hit or miss ships

You either win by a landslide or hopelessly lose

[hybrid tulip]

For me to win the tourney I need you to win against Grant, and lose to at least 2 persons

We can even have a 3 way tie lmao

[chrome veldt]

In the worst case (for you), you still tie for second!

[hybrid tulip]

Nah, in the worst case, grants wins against you and you win all your other matches and and it's 13 for me 14-14 for both of you, you tie for first and I'm third

[tulip monolith]

Honestly if I had to guess I might get top 3 minimium

[hybrid tulip]

You physically cannot be below second lmao

[tulip monolith]

Lol

5050 ods thn

[hybrid tulip]

My ship for the next tournament will be even more perfect ! I won't die to stupid bullet spread shenanigans ! x3

both of you won because you missed my central armor

[tulip monolith]

You'll die to chunky deckcannoninsted

[hybrid tulip]

I engineered my ship for ennemy ai to still target the reactor

And you guys just miss it and win

[chrome veldt]

I have to win one match to share 3rd with Derfael, two to kick him off. Xsnow, it's all riding on you!

[hybrid tulip]

We'll see about that x3

[hybrid tulip]

there's no chance you lose to xsnow

but we'll see that in like 2 hours after dinner

I'll record the rematches

[chrome veldt]

he says, after I already "lost" to Xsnow. :p

[hybrid tulip]

Xsnow didn't even hit you x'3

Best case there's a 3 way tie for first and that's straight up amazing

I still would be the first non-oc ship

[chrome veldt]

the only non OCSC in the top 3.

That tactical spread + ammo efficency is crazy.

[quick kelp]

how did my ships manage to do differently

[chrome veldt]

All it takes is luck and a close match...

[desert sky]

it's unfortunate I could've won a lot of matches if only PDs were better

that is bad faith I could've bought fire extinguishers

Markty I couldn't find my only win match, could you hint me towards it?

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/PK6RImgssig?si=4KRZg6qN7bT1zt4l&t=545

I put a timestamp

[cloud escarp]

wait how did I end up with only 3 points?? I swear I had more earlier?

[chrome veldt]

there's a 4th point tied up in a rematch with me, and possibly others.

[cloud escarp]

wait I think I forgot how this points system worked

because I've definitely won way more than just 3 fights

wait actually so yeah I've won fights but I think markty forgot to log them?

[chrome veldt]

Two rematches in round 3, 3 wins by round 4

looks like a win in round 5 vs Digital Abyss

And again in round 6. Sup3r is much higher than the chart says

[cloud escarp]

one in 6 and 7 too

and two engagement won in 8

[chrome veldt]

1 more in round 7, 2 more in round 8

@hybrid tulip Points audit! Super87 has 8 points and 2 rematches.

[hybrid tulip]

Spreadsheet bug I think

[cloud escarp]

wonky lol

thanks for fixing it :)

[hybrid tulip]

for some reason the formula got replaced by a 3

[cloud escarp]

:3

[hybrid tulip]

Congratulations @chrome veldt for winning the tournament

and @tulip monolith for being second with me x3

https://youtu.be/ZojcsTiBfso

[tulip monolith]

Lol

Funny thing , had I not gone 'sure we can do a rematch' I'd be first,

[quaint hound]

Thank you

[chrome veldt]

That's Markty's fault. If we could SEE the freak god-pixel shot that killed me, I'd be much less of a sore loser there.

[hybrid tulip]

Bro, I literally have the replay file and it de-syncs, so can't verify shit. My computer doesn't record in 8k.

[chrome veldt]

grumbles and stomps off with the trophy.

[hybrid tulip]

x3

[tulip monolith]

lol

[quaint hound]

The patrol ship tournament should be fun. Ya’ll should definitely post your ship publicly before the tournament. So that can appreciate your designs. 🙂

It changed my emoticon to a emoji

[tulip monolith]

like this? : )

i hate it when it does that

[cloud escarp]

GG everyone :)

this was a lot of fun to design ships for, and tbh I'm having just as much fun designing ships for the 180k tourney!

[hybrid tulip]

ayy I'm glad you guys are enjoying it !

[hybrid tulip]

add an \ before the :

:3

:)

[hybrid tulip]

Scoutship sized bragging rights*

[chrome veldt]

I did mod one of my existing ship into a decent patrol ship, but I'm not as happy with it as my scoutship was.

[quick kelp]

imma be real i'm largely just using these tourneys to give myself inspiration for ship sizes to build

[chrome veldt]

@barren aurora whistles innocently

[cloud escarp]

I made something like this but with heavier armor and I found that it really sucked against anything with energy defenses. On top of that once the ammo reserves ran out the DPS was far too low to be meaningful, so now I'm trying something else

[barren aurora]

I made some modifications. Could we enter this one together? You could keep the bragging rights, if that's just supposed to go to one person lol

[cloud escarp]

definitely very effective against wider opponents though thanks to the spread

[barren aurora]

...fixed parts not being overclocked when they should be

[chrome veldt]

I've got a differnt entry planned, so if you want it, go for it!

Or, ah, we can enter it for our good friend, Coop!

[chrome veldt]

A victory is a victory!

[surreal pecan]

gg!

[barren aurora]

Ah, gotcha. I wasn't planning on entering into this one, but I will to give Crackshot another chance!

[chrome veldt]

My thought is, anything that gets posted before the design window closes, WILL be used for testing purposes. That is, anything that cant beat your improved "More Crackshot" wont get entered. Sooo... you post really good designs you ARNT using, to force people to use their budget countering things that arnt you.

[hybrid tulip]

1 HE to the back :

[barren aurora]

Ehhh, I don't really care too much if I win, I just want to see crackshot go at it again

[hybrid tulip]

Crackshot surprised me a lot tbh

I had tested a 1OCDC ship

but it never went past prototype

I'm surprised yours did so well

[cloud escarp]

do u mind testing it against this?

didn't bother to paint it because it performed worse than I expected against most builtins

[desert sky]

So rift is just in a tie with the last place?

who wins last place

[hybrid tulip]

Idk you both to in the pit and fight for it ?

[desert sky]

sure!

[hybrid tulip]

how is that supposed to move

[white apex]

thrust

recoil too

[cloud escarp]

Yeah lol there are two small thrusters on either side

Tank maxxing

[hybrid tulip]

I'm so blind

[cloud escarp]

would anyone be interested in a racing event where you have to carry a payload of some kind down a non looping track? I'm trying to come up with interesting/unique tournament ideas and that's one of my favorite ones

it would run similar to the grand prix where there are brackets, and the top two advance to the next game until the final

[cloud escarp]

to clarify, it'd be like the grand prix event but with the following modifications:
-tracks that don't loop but still have turns and interesting elements
-an object (presumably a box) needs to cross the finish line rather than yourself
-overclocking allowed (but no weapons outside of EMP weapons)

[upbeat ridge]

disruptors 💀

[chrome veldt]

Raise your hand if the new Small Shield changes completely changed your Patrol Tournament ship?

[quick kelp]

nope!

my ship, thankfully, remains entirely unaffected

[hybrid tulip]

I amn't using scoc

[quick kelp]

how many contestants are there (so far)?

[hybrid tulip]

about six or seven

[quick kelp]

less than last time, ):

[hybrid tulip]

not that far off tbh

[quick kelp]

how many was that?

[hybrid tulip]

about 15 ships, and 11-12 players

but the deadline isn't over and I kniw some people have unsubmitted ships

[chrome veldt]

Personally, I'm waiting for the "major changes will give an extension" deadline before I lock in a ship. the OCSS being an example of why.

[quaint hound]

What were the changes?

[quaint hound]

I would be interested in a racing event. I would be helpful to have the dimensions of the box/objective with the rules when/if you decide to post the event in the tournament announcement

[chrome veldt]

Durability buff is completely gone, but...

[tulip monolith]

It basocly acts like a bootleg large shield

[surreal pecan]

It's ugly and it's insanely brittle.

I hate this shield change, unadulterated 3x hp buff was better.

[chrome veldt]

Way better. CRAZY way bettter. It needed to be nerfed.

[autumn trail]

If it counts for anything, this does give more options for protecting chainguns

[white apex]

true

[wispy hornet]

its a temp graphic dude

[lucid turtle]

I think we need medium shield like this,and let my sweet oc small shield back QAQ

[surreal pecan]

I think less shield stacking is a great counterbalance for it, I agree. It was great for hybrid armoured builds.

[wispy hornet]

from my experience in dom, oc ss feels a lot more interesting allowing for far more diverse layouts with better shield coverage that you could never do with old ss. the experience may be worse in elim where the hp concentration was very important, but the far greater radius still effectively allows you to have far stronger defenses at any single point with stacked ocss

oc ss was very boring and difficult in domination before with the coverage loss making it quite awkward to fit into most layouts

now it allows for a lot of rly cool layouts whether it be heavily shielded wall ships or lightly shielded vessels that still can have full shield coverage

i run this ion+slb kite as my main line domination vessel as it provides very good area control and punishes overextensions. the oc ss is super good for this ship giving me way better coverage basically everywhere forwards, which is not something i could do without investing into frontal ls which cause a lot of issues with these types of walls

[lucid turtle]

It's not that the current small shield is bad, but that the previous one was better

A powerful but narrow-coverage defense can prevent it from being easily destroyed by attacks such as aoe

So personally, I think both should coexist——add medium shield

[lucid turtle]

Many of its uses can also be achieved by using a large shield btw

[chrome veldt]

If we got the old ocss back, it would no doubt get the same nerfs as the new ocLS.

[lucid turtle]

Of course

that's fair

[chrome veldt]

Bullshit. LS are surface mounts, and therefore can do NOTHING the new ocss can do.

[lucid turtle]

But the shield is too far away

[chrome veldt]

And?

that just means you can bury it deeper in your hull to protect it.

[lucid turtle]

hard to be that diffrent.For most designs. Either it is completely hidden in the armor like the small shields in the past.Or like ship that j yuuki post Is there hardly any armor protecting him

When you completely hidden this in the armor,old shield have slimar effect,and It won't be easily attacked by aoe and destroy large areas of shields at the same time

[chrome veldt]

exactly, excep now it can be even further back, behind more things.

[lucid turtle]

However, I must stress that it is not completely useless; it also has many benefits. But I think both are very important

[lucid turtle]

So that's why I say we need medium shield like nowdays oc small shield

[lucid turtle]

Yes

[supple vapor]

I’d be extremely extremely sad to see the new oc ss go

It allows for so many new layouts and added ship diversity I think it would be silly to scrap

[short tartan]

consider the following
two different overclock options

[supple vapor]

Peak

[cloud escarp]

too complex imo

it should be easy to tell what a ship does from a picture of the ship png

[wispy hornet]

i dont see how oc ss was particularly unique. by your logic, you can do the same thing with oc large shields

i think its not particularly realistic to say the gimmick of a large coverage low hp shield should be given an entirely unique part

[lucid turtle]

OC large shields‘shield is still too big and it needs to make some space

Just.... Why can't we have them all at the same time

II think this can be easily solved by adding a medium shield

[wispy hornet]

what would the stats on the medium shield be? what would the oc do?

lots of effort and a lot of extra content for a similar thing

[lucid turtle]

I had to say that's clearly not similar

[chrome veldt]

If anything, it should be the medium/diagonal shield with the narrowing OC.

[surreal pecan]

I don't see how this is a tough question to answer. What medium shield could have as a gimmick would be an ability to project its arc in different directions despite position, to get some diagonal ship representation too. It could fill in a lot of niches, be 3x3 in size, its overclock could do something cool like make it double layered or even reflective, etc etc etc.
Shields still have a ton of potential for playstyle other than "haha blocks damage," and I'm tried of pretending it doesn't. Medium shield idea holds potential.

[gilded spindle]

Is this an elimination or dom tournament?

[chilly barn]

(Elim)

[young jacinth]

edited the settings section to make it clearer

[wispy hornet]

@chilly barn no game # limit?

[desert sky]

What is "Replacing the visual appearance of your ship artificially" i dont want to be disqualified

Oh, and I dont uunderstand how to sign up 😅

[young jacinth]

I think thats just manipulating the preview image which you cant do on accident.

[young jacinth]

Good question

@chilly barn

[desert sky]

Are we moving the counterpicking loop problem straight to the individuals? 🙏

We can basically use our own settings and especially if I'm the host, preview will be visible for everyone

[young jacinth]

Uh didnt read the whole rules yet

[young jacinth]

If thats the case then yea

[desert sky]

Applying the usual "everything not written in the rules is legal" stance, then a lot is allowed

[wispy hornet]

i dont think ill be able to participate this tournament as i do not have the time to update all my ships and do 3 matches per person 😔

[chilly barn]

You sign up be playing a match and recording it

If one player requests previews off the host has to change to previews off

[chilly barn]

You probably can't win it but you can still participate

Oh what if I made another ranking for w/l ratio

Just as a secondary ranking

So that if you can't play too many matches you can possibly win that

[young jacinth]

Ok Ill only play one match