#Tournament Chat
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anti you are really good
the entire loser brackets is experts nick
xsnow is a better teacher
it will be quite the miracle run
hi
Yeaahh to be fair there's air who I am unbelievably afraid.
Also slow too.
air was my first "teacher" first person I played pvp against
don't worry nick, think logically
air is a half-decent teacher
now I just observe and learn from as many people as possible
if i beat king, and you beat me, you beat king too
The same person for me was Juno.
ask questions
Probably a better approach tbh
I played vs their avoider and railfan.
it's how winning works
i really want to play ion vs avoider
you good?
@sinful roost unless you give me a reason if you fail to arrive in two minutes you'll be disqualified
for some people anyway
if you forgot the password is cerulean
knowing is half the battle so I study as much as possible
i am here
Then join the lobby
it's incompactable
i'm not sure how good is anti
Why though?
''if you're forgot''?
You need to update?
Then Update
reminder that i might have to fight miguel again
Close the game so it updates then rejoin
^
I love learning micro tweaks, they are awesome
delay
"if your forgot" is about as coorect
I love you sitting like a vulture in case I make a single typo
will we see update brackets?
im so sorry for the confusion
haven't seen since the last one
nice
You're fine Miguel
it updated wait a min
saved 600 credits for no loss, that was my recent one
he will do it anyways
he's going to kite you
he has at least 4 versions of it
3 from last tournament, 1 in this
okay
and potentially more never seen
@raven fern vs @vivid ore now
mantel redemption moment!! :)
nervous about ship choice
joining
no enginerooms
How can I absolutely ruin airs day
gonna fight chillin
ggs
use all the weapons
i didin't even had a chance ;-;
my bad fam
good luck next time! you should post your ship on #ships and ask for advice π
would someone mind pasting the password? -awkward moment-
yep thanks for the advise
cerulean
ty
i recommend joining Excelsior, and get the best advice from the top players
the ships channel is fine too tbh
for ion ships that have a single er next to a large reactor for ions/shields you don't need corridors, run the crew through a thruster to the ER
not really needed to get advice like "you should have ers"
shut up i forgor that it had loosers bracet π
saris one day pulling up with a password that goes don miguelito jacinto dobegando la el diabetico
I got feedback for my actual ship in the ships channel but excelsior is definitely the place to go for piloting/strats
You can't confirm the advice in this server though
nah, he will just pull one of those AI auto generated 200 character passwords using all the keyboard stuff
example (left ship)
#ships message
@gilded spindle
@raven fern yoof gg
ah well
Countered
i BEAT A RAIL WITH TB - i BEAT A RAIL WITH TB πΈ
amazing
greetings from DOM @raven fern
spacecat op
you used missie orbiters
Great job.
you should just use password for password at this point saris
and people would still ask
Am i next?
slow is next
Yeah v who
You could use ''1234'' and people would still ask.
You're not for a while Erin. Slowking is fighting Air right now
Oh i heard you say erin not air
actually idk if it's a common technique or not but I just discovered it
Erin you're the ''finalist'' of the loser bracket, so good luck whoever wins the losers bracket you will be fighting.
Yeah
TRUE
funny how you can watch the comments on your own endgame after you played because of the delay
watch them both bring traps anyway
What is air doing?!
V
as nick like to say
sry Air - that is a stupit boat
truly a ship of all time
air be throwing
@fast oracle @granite river
omw
Bet
gl
where third eye
Comedy gold.
a is literally enough of a password
for me long passwords suck cause I can't remember them
wow I played so bad
@upbeat ridge and @remote plover
Remember kids, as long as you don't forfeit your chances of victory are never zero!
I wanted to try and get around luna and self-destruct my reactor
But i just didn't have the thrust to do it
it took the three best avoider pilots actively playing at the time to beat that thing
Oh really?
well done! gg
Had I burned off the hooks maybe I'd have had a chance
Should've thought of that
I couldn't do my usual flip maneuver like I did to sparky
:>
May or may not have stolen that maneuver from qawa and modified it
Also, 1K
Makes me wanna build an orbital wall for some reason
It was 999 before but then it ''upgraded'' to 1000 lol.
i've only seen saris win every time against it tbh
with avoider
well your main mistake was to throw yourself into the nukes
you want to kite that thing
?????
have you not lost?
@vivid ore
i mean i pissed you off
?
i won matchs without taking horns off π€
you're up
true but i was already pissed off
It had more range and speed than me
Actually, it's @gilded spindle vs Spacecat
How the hell am I supposed to kite it
I blanked out
Sure, ions spread but still
don't worry, we can practice this fight later
Great job to Juno for winning vs a hardcounter.
cannot remember what air brought
if snow or jun0 or any avoider pilot is around you'll learn fast
Lol
i thought he lost with the laserthing
hardocunter? i've practiced this since classic
I think it is a pretty unfavorable matchup normally.
I wanna see if I can get a CG and RF trap set working
ahh ok
You have like 1/4 of your entire surface area that doesn't like instantly die when shot with rail.
password?
cerulean
Result of mistakes from rail traps
slowking having huge variety of ships
but I don't think I have the skills yet. hard enough piloting a single ship. it's 3x harder with two.
railtraps probably nmeed less side defense aswell
juggles strafe use rampup to your advantage
ever since its introduction, ultrafast rammers vs railtraps are just about who can get to the rear of someine first; the game plan of the ion is to block with the railtrap, and with the slow railtrap movement (which i kinda started) it was much easier to scoop em up and kill them one by one
but it's a combo I would like to see
atleast it's the most consistent way to do it
So basically a more difficult version of what I did vs sparky's ion rammer
i thought it was impossible too, but then i saw juno do it
and then i made my traps based on the same tactic
pretty much
Asymmetric ship (real)
yeah i know you're gonna win now that you've seen trhe ship
yes, to be fair sparky wasn't great at that match
does anyone else think my idea would work?
i might've gotten you if not for a missed targeting :(
it works
i'd say dc-rail works better
but chain-rail works
oki
i'll take up the offer
does it work well?
I'm also not sure exactly what to target, I just lock onto the reactor furthest forward but idk if there's a better option
rn or later
drill through front armor and explode front reactors
you have enough dps to do that
I figured
you just have to avoid me long enough
i made a lobby with the password "a" if you're ready
sorry i wasent here the whole tourney, can't tell but probably
you did decent after you got hit by the nukes! but a LS avoider without LS is a dead fish
I knew it was bad
You can rewind the tourney stream to watch earlier matches
I knew I had better options
@fast oracle vs @upbeat ridge
did not make the same mistake twice πΌ
omw
@remote plover maybe after this
Oh damn
kk i'm going to a fair so i guess i'll catch you at a later date
guess expierience with chainguns is not yet here - it is the inital spam test
later
Yes.
@jagged flume the unique shape of spacecats ship also helped
barge still on top!
huh theres a tourney rn
Chaingun would've won that. Slowking didn't use his hooks properly to flip spacecat unfortunately
ggs
not so sure about that one
what i did (or at least tried) was weaponpicking - withouth that i would have lost
saris isn't shuffling the loser bracket...?
Alpha CG works best when wrapping around so by you effectively have a stay awake stick you prevented it from working best
congratulation
@hollow socket you're up now
alright
It's always good that losing events stings; means that you were invested!
This is the spirit of tournaments!
back to the drawing board
whats different in the format today
like i had to hard reset
fow
woo
yep, 200% blind
i never used chainguns at all before that!
@young jacinth vs @vivid ore
aw
okay yeah saris sin't counting that it seems the match ended before i hard resert
wow
luna nooooo
teratron gaming
:0
oh my
Tera that was some serious shit!
@jagged flume my screen died for a second damn
i made that ship after i lost my match against you nick
like vram issues
You had half of a single ship left you absolutely lost
it was like a minute (hyperbole) before that
direct controle
i found after ramping them up i can juggle them from a state of not firing and firing to keep the ramp up
Funny how this is the first time ever that this has occured in the history of all tournaments
100% serious
But to be fair Juno does have pretty rough connection.
it was right in the middle of the fight i found it
Pretty genius, nor can I call it a bug.
Post about that tech on Excelsior yeah Terra?
Yeah dew it
i mean, the animatioin is so long but still counts for keeping ramp up
sure
He was probably direct controlling the chainguns or cancelled their orders?
alright i'm pissed
eh how do we fix this ask terra v luna already played out and its a super close game
idk, i'm just pissed now
It's pretty intuitively tbh. The ramping slows down during the closing in of the shell.
Force fire -> cancel -> repeat
the reason rails aren't firing is because the target gets removed every u leave fow
@jagged flume hello. I just joined this server to tell you that I was literally in a vc with @upbeat ridge and I can confirm they did not ragequit and that you are very wrong for assuming so
how do i make a gif clip?
she, unlike prehaps some people, does not have a nasa supercomputer and suffers from technical issues which causes crashes at the end of games. I can confirm that I also have the same issue and can reproduce it.
you don't like people disagreeing with you?
?? thats not what im talking about
Stop baiting, Stuff Photon
no i had screen issues
oh right
very well played with that singel railkite @young jacinth
@hollow socket you're up now
sure thing
my turn again? can i dring a sip of water
???
can you please explain yourself?
"stop baiting" is not a form of arguement
Woe, spacecat did MUCH better than I'd expect it.
Glad to see.
Like Ciberia is a great ship, and like Russia during ww2 it can LAST XD
It is.
They're all out of practice and rusty
Haven't kept in shape compared to the people that have actually been playing in the month leading up to the event
Wouldn't say so about Juno she's a very active (not to mention still un-rusty) good player.
i am not even adept
Yes, I agree, Jun0 had phenomenal piloting for the ultralight ships
@jagged flume Will the final showdown be a bo5?
Yes
I see.
not responding, great
@upbeat ridge just realized it was kinda rude of me to request a rematch without first complementing your skill, that was a hell of a fight that'd be a struggle even if i never blundered , I'm just hoping to at least get a more skillful loss lol
Heh, you're still up @vivid ore vs @forest cedar
oof if he is rly an ionenthusiast
eh, i've been used to it for while now
i accept your apology <3
ty
Ok just a min
Space what is your secret π
@surreal pecan You'll be up for the finals after this game playing the winner
well... there's the part where it's a soft counter to everything that it's fought so far
But it's still undeniably impressive.
im surprised people just blindly pick CG into spacecat even tho its clear what he gonna pick
game crashed
I mean to be fair his very first match he lost to it immediately, right?
i mean you know what spacecat is going to bring xd
hold on just a min
We can wait for your connection to stabilize if necessary Erin
yeah i can't exactly build something in 5 minutes to counter it
Lmfao so true.
erin havin connection troubles
he's not getting into an argument lol. saris doesn't care
Yeah i closed everything on my pc except cosmo, hopefully that helps
I'm surprised you didn't do that earlier
spacecat wins the psychological fight
Normally connection is fine
I was under the impression everyone did. I mean, I have to as well
oh they left lol
I could have won
apparently that also means my screen
Everybody's too afraid of the final boss of all missile barges.
Photon is such an anomaly of a member lol.
They join and quit 20 times a week.
yes
smh
i was expecting you to fight nick slow
this is... the first time they joined in months
rip
Alright the mind games got to me lol
gonna briung this up 3 months later
Why
that's just my mode of operation
I love how everyone is throwing against spacecat
i really should have gone railfan
xdddd
Tb rail yes.
the one that has the sensor
Kite seems pretty good against it actually.
Railkite.
.....Okaaay at this point I genuinely fear space.
i made one of those too
I think it's gonna come down to a barge duel.
Alsooo... Like I said previously, there are far less sensor ships popping up than I thought there'd be.
I have no good kite :c
i can lend you one if you want
Nah
i made one i never got to use
erin gave me 5 heart attacks being so aggresive and risky
good luck out there nick
Thanks.
Me too lmao.
Damn
rip
Hold on just a min
double dc
luke has that fibre broadband
Hilarious.
vodaphone for obvious reasons
Oh btw @gilded spindle I made this to specifically counter you. Didnt get to use it though xD
who won?
unless I used a kite
You wouldnt
You would have dared
damn
your cg ship also probably counters that
Every kite looks like every other kite
very similar in design
need i say more
i lost ammo there what do you mean
I'm confused
i had like half ammo that time iirc
In theory it loses to the spinner anyway
cooudl not set my weapons to fire at will
do it per side
looks like nick is not fighting luke barge
dose not get closer then this
You're up now
I was not expecting to win after losing a reactor
Comin'
...Anyways, about today... Man I love this timing so much lol. Today and tomorrow is a 2 day festival celebrating my home town Tbilisi (The capital of Georgia), ''Tbilisoba.'' And it just so happened that today is the tourney and tomorrow is the DC announcement! Very good coincidence.
hey, when has theory ever been 100% right (railtraps vs ul cg ion-exque rammer)
pulling my hair because i had this - then control points
Perfect piloting railtraps win
i've been waiting for someone who could do that
rly enjoyable tourney - also without complicated rules
yeah!
guess my focus was fading also ...
Erin needs to win twice
I think single best of 5 makes more sense
well this should rpobably decide the precexdent for each subsequent tournament
bo101
@gilded spindle want that re now?
a quick post tourney match would also be ok
laugh too saris
erin dejavu moment
Wow, it's still going ehh?
1/4 speed makes it somewhat slowmo to watch
The alternative is insane lag
amazing
i ate all cahinguns, so there are only mines left π
Ha-ha!
π
Thanks ya'll!
congrats nick :3
I can't believe it, that's such a high honor for me!
master of tourneys
I finally got to win with mines.
@surreal pecan π
β€οΈ
gt nick
Congrats!!
the newest champion
Now outpace me in DC, hahaha!)
nick for paragon?
CONGRATS NICK @surreal pecan !!!!!!]
Congrats !!!
Well played!
Ok CCC member who is keeping up very late for the event can go to bed as well. GGs, those were great matches that worth our stay.
congrats nick
GG
You did so amazing, I'm proud to have shared both finale matches with you.
well its time for that expert submission perhaps
I mean whoaw, many of those matches were the best we had.
you have a pinkish red name now :D
I wanted to get pinkish red name from a design contest, but I'll tale this ^v^
*Take
bro just look at the ship YOU build that is in your profile pic
@jagged flume i like this double elim but 1 match per couple.
I think choosing blindly ships is fine too
I don't sure... But ok heh
Yes it was good.
design contest is soon right? get the pink double role
?
I expected it to be a disappointement but it made room for some exceptional matches.
Also almost no tb rails, morbiters and other meta builds, it was such a fresh tourney!
One match per couple is a lot? I literally can't do less
hm yes heuristics tourney
you can do less
no, i like it
0.5 matches each
Lol.
I will try my best.
weird wording
How so.
actually yeah out of all the people does quix qualify for both master of design and champion or is it just for first-placers
I like this system
Anyways, fossil continued to amaze me and upheld itself. I wonder why those old diag morbis got out of style, they're great.
Only for second
well, first of all, you have to consider that you had large shields
damn if i had played atromitos i would have won it probably
Which is that?
if i played with a good screen i would have won guys
Yes they're a great asset.
yes
i need to learn how to biuld ships that aren't just a amalgamatioon of all things i know but just a good ship
Maybe.
i would have chosen that one over your nuke ion
Ahh, this thingy. But all shieldless vs mines is RISKY
I won Nick's fossil by classic 10er rammer few days ago lol
yeah
i wouldve gone for orbiting
Can you post Fossil by the way? That was really cool
its all barges
Yes but I blundered big time.
spacecat barges and nicks barges
Hype
Sure, here you go.
One with sensor (tourney version) and the other with pd.
My reactor went the moment mines fired, I thought they wouldn't even go in time.
I was almost screaming about how they could absolutely arm
again, nick, great piloting from you
Thank you.
i wasnt watching the stream, i was listening to metal and punk to get myself amped up lol
Good choice
Yeah I was amazed by that too (To be fair not THAT much because I have own a lot of matches with fast kite and mines whilst being chased).
Seems like it worked
But anyways, this is my greatest accomplishment yet, I prove to world that mines are indeed worthwhile.
im gonna watch the final matches later to see what the commentary is
Does your program just yoink the ship parts and display whatever it gets? (i.e. it sees a launcher and displays the default launcher - HE)
Since everything is showing as HE missiles in there
yes
Makes sense
I wasn't typing much in chat besides pings, but for anyone who didn't watch the stream this tourney was awesome and you all played your asses off. Those were some really good games
It has a lot of torque.
also saris you were saying that in my avoider mirror v antithesis that i was shaking in my boots lol
i was doing that cus i wanted to be able to target my weapons before engaging
it worked
It was another great match yeah.
Poor anti had found themselves up against a vastly inferior ship objectivity-wise (It is still an amazing shipthough) that has a good time SPECIFICALLY against it. But they still resisted great.
I saw you post that in sotd subs a while ago, wonderful ship
thank you :D
I need to build an avoider that has a little more defensive capability, my current one relies so much on damage spreading
It looks so similar to true administrator
uses the same pallette
also has 30 hl
only 12 eb tho
here is a version with 36 HL
Also, I actually pilot with the face ship towards mouse cursor function so it's really hard to both damage spread and select targets
yeah you should probably turn that off
I had it on because I used to play a game for a very long time that had that function
Absolutely. I just feel a bit concerned about the hyper thick but concentrated side armor.
I would've spread it out.
I was a top player there
Yes this parallel has been made like a dozen times.
The skill didn't really transfer though
ah
Ah, a good choice. It just seemed silly and I liked to personify it as being fearful of whatever you couldn't see, yeah?
yeah
I use this sometimes, particularly with the tiny orbiter squib
no i found it funny too but i just didnt wanna be shooting without a target
Once again, sensors got le game!
I would've lost far back vs tera if he hadn't blundered because he had the visibility advantage.
I'm just confused how people use WASDQE with only four fingers, I can never manage it properly
Antithesis! Your avoiding was phenomenal! I saw hallmarks of skill and piloting patterns that have only been demonstrated by people who were part of a club that died roughly half a decade ago! I am exceedingly impressed!
Thanks :D
i dont make pvp ships strictly off meta, i also try to make them look good so i do make "un-optimal" choices
Part of the Wasdque issue is that you need to flip Q and E and flip E and D
I agree!
Has been a few times I've squeezed in a decorative piece in my pvp ships.
R?
Normal DC piloting rarely if ever uses strafing, wheris for avoiders it is an absolute must, with rotating being not as useful
its easy cus q/a and e/d are mutually exclusive
Er, D, yes, not R
Also no xsnow is still way better than me
You know snow is the one that taught antithesis avoider piloting
so you never press more than 5 buttons
rsdget sweep
no, i can feel some inexperience
Yes but the quality of the student is just as important as the quality of the teacher.
Also quality is a wrong word here.
I mean like... Skill and talent.
100% valid
Anyway I would recommend using A and D for strafing instead of turning, and Q and E for turning instead of strafing. It's significantly easier to input with your fingers and will result in better results. In my opinion. Having extensively tried both.
I already swapped them like that
Ah, good
One of the first things I did
Nice
Ooo, very interesting bindings.
Snow is honestly just stuborn and refuses to use large shields avoider out of spite
lol
I've still been using face mouse cursor because I'm used to it though
realize how good DC are as addons because you can place them anywhere or in the middle of your vessel.
i use small shield avoider cus it has overwhelming firepower
But for people who are used to one with wasd might make a lot of blunders.
i should just run an entire tourney with face ship at cursor
yeah, i think its just up to personal preference, neither is objectively better
Transitioning is definitely difficult but the boons are immeasurable
I've been told that small shield avoiders are better for mirrors but large ships are better for everything else
Is this right?
That'll be so much fun.
It's such an obscure yet funny feature.
Should be
Also I never got to use the other dullahan I had prepped.
It is an incredibly fun time I must say
π
Except when you have to aim
I am willing to write an essay on ergonomics and piloting patterns to argue my stance being superior if anyone was interested
well... no
i mean i've used exclusively small shield avoiders for a while now and everyhting barr missiles, rails, hybrid emps, and hybrid mines are like its only downsides
Oh also I didn't get to use the π¬πͺ ship too, this was also for tourney.
@jagged flume Any news about design contests? ποΈ
^
i mean also CG but like it may be kiteable
It is dropping tomorrow I think.
@azure goblet's taking care of it this time round. We'll see in the future if I take over in his stead
i've been interested ever since like 4 moths ago
lmao
And what about blake?
I'm used to WASD being forward/back/strafe from the movement keys in Space Engineers
i wanna hear your take but i would not start off with that without a huge explainer
Q/E is roll control
Starsector also uses WASD for strafing and movement
What about Blake?
blake does DCs
I used and using QE for strafe in all games, though
I know that Blake does design contests Jun0, I was wondering what Nick's question was π
No, will he be hosting any longer?
that was likely the entire idea; blake doing dcs means they can feasibly also take it up
He's a very charming and good host that interracts with the members a lot.
Not sure how 0neye wil ldo that as he appears to be far more busy.
Plus I'm sure we all will miss blake (I for one will).
case and point
It remains to be seen. I myself would expect an architect to take over the position due to extensive knowledge and having consistent answers. I've known Blake to be good at holding proceedings, but terrible at making decisions and accounting for troubles.
But it's not up to me, and as long as the DCs get done well it doesn't really matter who's hosting
Huh....
Alright I guess.
Also Saris you blessed me with luck back when you upvoted Fossil's sotd post 


Ship good
Thank
nick raking a casual 85k messages but im not complaining
150 away
saris the guy presses enter instead of a period and a space
Why are you raising attention to it
how
Fair enough but at least I write a sentence at a time lol, I much prefer to type my messages in sentences at a time instead of huge paragraphs because not only does it make reading easier and doesn't make you appear like you're AFK, but it's also more intuitive to me that way. Any problems? If you have any feel free to share them.
(Also I sometimes don't think out what I'm typing at its fullest, send the message and then have to add an addon/extension/continuation/whatever you wanna call it to it, so that also adds to the growing toll of messages I rack up lol)
(i mean, personally, i would wait like 1 or 2 seconds before sending a message (0 when sending a message to certrain people) but you do you)
Alrighty, I can respect that.
oh wait this is tournament chat
π
Why are you being randomly confrontational? Shifting the topic to something completely unrelated in the wrong chat?
alright let me get comfrontational
if your screen wnt out when commmentating what would you do
Not change the subject
Regardless since you're unwilling to answer remain on topic for #1020489415476396043 then
Anyways #tournament-announcements message A Blast of a tournament, design contest announcement, a victory and Tbilisoba all in one day, a dream come true indeed π
Bye ya'll now it's too late for me π
oh nick won, congrats
He needs the role now
the amount of odd situations in this tourney was insane ...
I think there should be civilian builtins with mining lasers if no combat builtins have them
Yesss
imperium just has everything
Can the next tournament be 2v2 elimination? The issue was that double railfans were too powerful but we could simply ban rails for a single tournament
We haven't had one in a long time
rip rails
95% of my ships
Well 2v2 tournaments were cancelled because of them sadly
thats just boring
What about 2v2 tourney but teammates can't have the same weapons
So only 1 person in each team could have rails
nice idea
That is the most insane conclusion to a tournament I have ever seen. Ending the tournament on explosive chaos.
i prefer 1v1s but 2v2 tourney without rail traps might be nice
Agreed, plus AI can still use mining lasers for combat so some low level scuffed up fringe ships with mining laser as their only weapon because they couldn't find/afford anything else would be both charming and lore-accurate.
Okay that is amazing I'm rooting for that.
magenta means rare?
yes
it's on a link on oneyes document for the design contest
No, yellow means rare, magenta means ''special conditions,'' and those said conditions are listed in the official document.
... i have a few requests to share one of my ~ 1.5 barges - this design contest might be the right format to do it since it is all about 1.5 mil.
They also fit the "not only for combat" rule, are rly multi role from PVP to Domination and Career to Aesthetic.
I'm silly proud of them π±
main problem with 2v2 tournaments is that lag can be 2x worse and it's even harder to keep people connected
Banning rails is an easy solution the main limiter for me is the lag of having at minimum five players in a lobby, +having to wait for four players to join
also, congratulations to both Nick and Erin incredibly well played by both
I mean not like we haven't done 2v2 tourneys before. Also banning rails is plain uncool as there are a lot of other non generic rail orbiter rail ships out there (Namely the epic rail combiner builds) that would get thrown from the roster of possible ships, which would greatly hinder the ship choice freedom and overall detract from the tournament.
What james suggested (Only one person can use any specific weapon type, so only one rail ship per team on the battlefield at a time) sounds like a perfect middle ground, the railorbi strat becomes much less oppressive once you won't have yor backside torn open for going at a certain single rail.
(Sorry, Pistonloop, not James)
y'know editing messages is often clearer than adding another message
This is why they're typically split over two days
I prefer a single day in all honesty
@azure goblet How strict is the 1.5mil limit in the design contest, is it a brickwall limit or is 1.7mil still ok?
When people have the time, sure, but many won't
Strict but doesn't count resources.
ok so the ship design value from creative mode, minus the resources, is the exact value?
so i try to laod it in career and see?
No need to try loading it in career, but yes.
go into blueprint mode
how do i check the lower prices then - by not desiganting storage?
alwas wished ther was a "Clear all Resources" same as "Restock all Resources" for creative
by going into blueprint mode
ok clear all storage tile designations shows the value without storage resources - ofc the weapons are still loaded with ammo
@vivid ore you can easily see the price of the ship by going into blueprint mode
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@azure goblet ofc im always checking the price in blueprint mode but it differs if you have designated storage tiles or not. Weapons are alwas designated so i guess that is taken into account and adds to the cost.
it is an 80K differnece in my case with emty storages vs full storages, weapons loaded in both cases.
An "easy" way to check the cost without resources:
- Click on it in the ship library
- Hold the ` button (to the left of the 1 key on english keyboards) while placing it to spawn it with no resources
- Go into normal (non-blueprint) build mode and click the usual ^ arrow to view the cost
This way does not include cost from ammo in weapons.
You're right
There's also an option in dev mode to clear all resources.
perfect, thats very helpful
@azure goblet should we submit in the old thread from "β¬atpony" or will a new one be made?
@azure gobletI am transelating the Event imformation document this contest, and I found a few question:
*By "Unconventional weapon combination", does this means we can submite themeing these as major and ignore the "not faction built" limite, or is it just encouraging submitters to provide more uniqe submissions?
*What specific thing does "exploits" mean here?
- It's just meant to encourage ship diversity and is completely optional. It has nothing to do with factions or their preferred weapons. Another way to word it is "ships with combinations of weapons that are uncommon".
- That's just a general statement to ban the use of bugs or glitches that give an advantage. I'm not aware of any specific ones, especially those useable by AI. If you're not going out of your way to discover the next explosion gun you can safely ignore it.
I have completed the transelation and as it is for CCC I added some content about how to properly submite through CCC community service when can't arrive Discord by oneself.
Feels very honourable to be amongst you guys β€οΈ
you had a fair screening
i would compete in the ship design contest but idk how to paint
painting is hard when it isnt in a faction i can copy
actually i might as well try and see what trash i can put together
btw @azure goblet are ships voted on individually or as a pair
Individually
Why are questions like these asked in here excuse me? I think #1059084974655033415 or even better, the long forgotten rule discussion channel exist for a reason.
Design Tournament xd
Ok moving the whole thing over to there.
The mod changs for the octourney are pretty sensible - buffung underpowered lasers and giving more range overall is what players wanted to try for a long time.
Personally rly curious how the longer range will turn out.
on the other hand i do nto like the "ROD" β to be near but as long as it is not very near its playable
It's the same FoW settings as the previous event
yay!
Nice time to paint all my pvp ships in a spooky theme. The prehistoric theme I have going works I think.
great, another Bo1 Double Elimination tourney :D
i think ship construction should be on in next tourneys, i haven't seen anyone using it effectively yet, but i'd love to see it.
Oh man...
i like playing with FoW π«οΈ additional tactical element
in past tourney fog clearly showed that railtraps are nerfed by it
actually it would have been interesting in some endgames where all ships where reduced to hardly functioning wrecks
I dislike fog but it really is a nerf to long range kites so i'm fine with it.
I really enjoyed the presence of fog of war in the previous tournament, it made sensors actually invaluable and added a strategic benefit to owning one.
Also Saris, don't you feel like your template message shouldn't have September in it?
21st and 28th of October would be the correct one.
Right, figured it'd be that. But it still may trip some people up, it almost tripped me before I checked the announcements for clearance.
Also wouldn't it be better to archive all the sign-up threads instead of deleting or clearing them every next tourney?
Fog was a novelty but it's not something I'd like to play with every tournament
In my mind it makes matches 'start' sooner since players need to move forward and find out what they're dealing with, as well as adapt on the fly. Without FoW it ends up being you can just play evasively until you have ideal conditions, leadibg to a lot less frenetic and physical combat. I want to see it for more than just one event, in short
i love fog but that might be because i play dom too much lol
and arena, DONT FORGET ARENA
i got them to fit
me when two tournament and vacation overlap
dies
arena tournament when
Career co-op tournament πΏ
Career speedrun tournament 
next thing you know we're going to host the tournament in an entirely different game
Space engineers tournament when
Pleaaase let's host tetris tournament π₯Ί
that's it who wants to host a tournament in showdown
on a more serious note though arena tournament does seem odd, but probably not the worst idea
honestly might be a fairer mode
I remember arena tourneys back in 2019 were pretty good even tho arena mode was more exploitable back then
wait... WERE GETTING AN ARENA TOURNAMENT????
was planning on another tourney like the last for next month or so
Any chance tournament takes place only the 28 ?
awesome
Would anybody (other than tapeable the village arena fanatic) want this lol? Because I'm not sure Arena would make for a good tourney.
Then again I've only played messy free-for-all arena games so 1v1 arena might be completely different (But most likely if an enemy counters you they won't have a very hard time defeating you all the time, or at least defeating you more times than you can defeat them).
The way I see it, when you first die you then just counter pick the enemy
Oh shoot you're right you can switch the ship mid-fight.
That has some insane implications.
Fog of war no ship preview arena tournament does sound rad.
It does sound pretty fun, arena is probably the least played mode for me other than career
Hyperdrive tech allows for safe respawning
I have never played arena
Arena is basically elimination, but it is instead multiple battles where 1000 credits of damage is equal to 1 point, most points wins
Or you reach the number of points set that wins the game
ok
yay time for me to lose anyway even with my practice xd
there are worse strategies than missile sticks
@sonic flame you can change the name in settings
already had it set to one of those two after finding the setting
Undergoing restructuring so i will not be in the next tourney.
mans restructuring the verenia clan
Unlikely
a gal can dream
alr
just about a week before the tournament
my first tournament
training montage time
When is the deadline for signups? (Still figuring out whether I'll have the time and energy to participate or not.)
A few hours before tourney was it?
But it would be better to not be last minute
deadline is a few hours before the tournement but the earlier the better. if you do it early saris has to do a bit less work
do the mines look different if someone else launched them?
Yeah they do look intimidating, but now they have barely any stealth to them. I think a slight counter-buff wouldn't hurt.
like more health ?
having a faster reload time would help making larger mine fields now that they are more easily avoided
I think they still are quite powerful especially if used in the right scenario
Health barely even matters.
is this in the mod now?
Yeah, it is.
noted
Hey Saris, are illegal mines allowed in the tournament?
.....We're seemingly having very few members.....
illegal mines ?
Hard to see it on the GIF. Basically, you target your mines on debris and then fire them. They will not explode when an enemy is in proximity but if they fly into them it will deal huge amounts of damage
basically they dont explode until they hit smthn as apposed to exploding with proximity
that's straight up evil, and i like it
makes it easier to win tbh
I may just do a round robin with this few people all things considered
this week and next week i think
wait why is the tourney on mondays?
this week sat and next week sat
Unless you live in the East of Australia or NZ, in which case it's Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! π
Okaaaay the tournament is in a mere 4-5 days and yet I haven't seen a single tourney prep modded pvp lobby. Weird, I guess it'll be the kind of tournament wgere most people will be caught by surprise as most features of the mod are still a bit obscure.
It'll be another FoW no preview tournament right?
should we start doing some modded lobbies to get some practice?
caught by surprise in more ways than one :D
I don't have time for practice
I mean come on it'll be fun!
tbhhh idek if I should join they are making a drama rehearsal schedule and it is looking more and more like the exact time of the tournament will be the only time everyone will be available...
So I'll see
i havent seen any modded practice lobbies yet π
Watch all of us show up and make fools of ourselves through lack of practice π
oh, i will
sounds about right
ive probably been practing too much
gonna stress myself out lol
ill be fine lol
oops that's hunger not stress, food time
Yeah that is very weird to be honest, I haven't seen any too.
HECK, I don't even have the latest version of the mod installed yet.
And yet so many prototypes are brewing in my head...
welp there's always tomorrow
Mainly back nuke chicanery.
Only half of the truth, no matter how sad is it π
best of luck to everyone tomorrow!
Hey @jagged flume , there's a chance something might come up tomorrow and prevent me from participating in the tournament. Would you rather I pull myself out right now or would it be acceptable for me to stay in play knowing I may not show up?
Prepare for the dumbest most bonkers tournam ever I guess. I am not ready (Could not mabage to build A SINGLE of the many goofball rebal mod prototypes I had planned, thanks to work some other Irl stuff, also working on the DC submission) and yet I'm as ready as I can be!
might be more, you know how many late signups we get lol
A bit more unlikely this time
I am so ready and definitely have ships optimised specifically for the latest version and the mod
I definitely know what illegal mines are, too.
Mine + structure = shieldproof mines
All you need to know.
You target junk so that they dont explode with proximity but on impact with enemy ship parts.
Yea fun having projectiles just phase through your shields xD
Yaya
As I mine enthusiast I can confirm.
Even thogh I've never used it.
Saris I need you to pinky swear that you won't steal my stuff.
grumbles on the one hand, I'm upset because I really wanted to build a deck cannon-chaingun orbiter with the rebalance mod mechanics, but nothing came together. On the other hand, there's now two different ways I might not have been available on the tournament dates anyways?
Me too lol.
when is check in?
Doesnt exist anymore
ah oki
oh?
@jagged flume I unfortunately can't participate. May the tournament go smoothly and for the rest of you, good luck!
Sad
Damm that sucks
tournament is today.
can you believe it guys?
(ik, we got like... 35 mins left?)
building a ship last minute
Surely there wonβt be an update in the middle of the tourney this time
my ass forgetting how easily cannons chain
I mean factories
well actually it's not that
the problem is I did not know sulfur was explosive
hhhh this would need a redesign, no cannon wall today.
still seems like it might body a classic laser orbi wall with sheer alpha
rc already dropped yesterday so we should be fine
old ships > new untested ships
my man makes 0 ships
yeeee I am used to all old ships being the wrong price tho
but seems to be fine this time
i have a singlular untested ship but its a varient (armor rework) of a ship ive already ran and tested a lot
What about -5 ships
i spend weeks designing and testing every ship so making a new one and using it for the tourney is wild to me
yup
do we have fog?
yes
I'll play safe
i have had 10+ iterations of ships most of my ships now i got right or near right 1st time
Then why did you use the strange missile traps last time lol
i thought i was fighting an V chaingun because i thought i was fighting another person
the missile traps are very well tested, they're just not very good
best of luck to everyone! have fun!
Oh really?
Never saw you use them
Ah
it's actually the version 4 of the original ship
with extra dps and speed
they are not very fun to use or play against, everyone hates kites
that's why i don't use them
Tourney isnt for having fun