Tournament Chat

[surreal pecan]

Armor and DC are like the perfect combo lol.

[dry otter]

its prob the best weapon for absolutely stacking armour

[jagged flume]

@past fiber vs @sinful roost up next

[sinful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/brezilya-brazil-flag-brazil-gif-23454207

[surreal pecan]

Please come to brazil.

[vivid ore]

ok died to smallships, but i think i put up a good fight

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

Your ships are very interesting.

[vivid ore]

funny that midgame was mine twice but completely got smashed in the endgame

[surreal pecan]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[short tartan]

I'm gonna make a Dom fleet now

[umbral bison]

it's mostly cause i kept alive my important ships and recycled them (Paris-Brest)

with the Teleporter techj

but yes

[vivid ore]

your green 3DC could jump home - that was good for you also

[umbral bison]

true

[jagged flume]

Minute thirty one seconds is the record to beat

@proven palm vs @tough prism up next

[vivid ore]

well played @umbral bison

[umbral bison]

you too

[sinful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/brazil-lose-brazil-lost-brazil-cry-brazil-crying-brazil-awkward-gif-27220298

gg

[tough prism]

uh

was the code again?

[vivid ore]

as soon as i have to focus on more then two palces i lose - wHich is very bad in endgame dom

[jagged flume]

cyan

[dry otter]

cyan

[sinful roost]

cyan

i created too expensive ships

a question for the next tournament.

can i have more than 2 diferent ships?

[umbral bison]

what do you mean

[surreal pecan]

Made a goofy Monolith alpha ship because... Yes.

Not like I am participating, but the tourney gave me motivation to make better dom ships.

[jagged flume]

@inland lagoon vs @still cairn

[inland lagoon]

password

what

[umbral bison]

would you look at that

[errant forge]

cyan

[odd zealot]

cyan

[umbral bison]

cyan

[errant forge]

am przyjem not cyan 😅

[surreal pecan]

Zeldef is zeldef not cyan.

[errant forge]

i mean saris prenauce my name cyan now haha

just prenauce my name as before

[odd zealot]

Prizigem?

[jagged flume]

@unkempt gulch vs @dry otter

We're doing Hollowan vs Tonie later

[unkempt gulch]

hmm

okay

[still cairn]

@jagged flume I forfeit My matchup against Tonie move him forwards

[errant forge]

you have my honor hollow

[jagged flume]

My dude that doesn't work if he doesn't come back because then that entire section of the bracket has no one to move forward

[errant forge]

tonie said lightining hit his house

[still cairn]

I cant stay eitherway, I was expecting to lose against him so I was fine with it since I need to travel back home haha

[serene latch]

i'll move forward ez

mornin saris lol

[jagged flume]

Wanna cast Qawa

[errant forge]

storm also coming to me

[serene latch]

sure

[still cairn]

Yeah I got storm lmao, Europe in storm

[serene latch]

just woke up tho so give me a bit

[odd zealot]

Thunder hit-Nothing works

[still cairn]

I could stay but its not really fair, Tonie should still win the matchup even if he doesnt come back and the next person fighting him moves forwards

[fast oracle]

i have auroram on my dom ships but their capacitors don't last long

[surreal pecan]

To yall dom peeps is this a good ship idea?

Shielded flak squib.

Instant punish and costs nowhere close to as much as rails.

Plus more generalist than rails and needs less micro.

[umbral bison]

flak trash

next

sorry but it's the truth

[fast oracle]

not really

[umbral bison]

the design is also improvable

[inland lagoon]

back

i want to thank hollowan

[umbral bison]

i didn't made one for a reason

Yo Tonie

[serene latch]

very wrong

[fast oracle]

no ammo storage, no reactor, no booster

[umbral bison]

Hollow gave his soul for you

[serene latch]

at one point, a flak ship i made was considered unstoppable

[inland lagoon]

yeah have to pay him back someway now, with my soul back

[umbral bison]

oh okay

[serene latch]

there are counters now, but it's still very strong

[fast oracle]

after flak boost, flak is fine, maybe even slightly op

[errant forge]

the tempest? it was, but no more

[serene latch]

as for flak in dom, it doesn't really work

[umbral bison]

i still think it's meh, take too much space and as same armor as a large cannon

[serene latch]

only time flak was viable in dom was back in laser wall meta (classic), and even then it wasn't extrmeley strong

[umbral bison]

so it's bad or not i don't get you

i m talking about in the contest of Dom, that it's in fact trash in my opinion

[surreal pecan]

So, you're advicing to completely dismantle it.

But flak has more than enough value to overcome the reactor cost.

[fast oracle]

yes

[umbral bison]

you don't need as many boosters for a flak ship unless you wanna make it doing Kiting, but it's very not a good thing since it's close range weapon

[surreal pecan]

That's why I have front boost?

[umbral bison]

it's more of a front oriented ship design, although the cost for Flaks is high and a single flak ship can easly being flanked

[umbral bison]

i wouldn't put any front thrusters or side thrusters (even more unlikely on the sides)

[surreal pecan]

So I should have no thrust?

[jagged flume]

@errant forge vs @umbral bison

[vivid ore]

📺 livestream works very well now sound wise, watching again ...

[umbral bison]

okay then

[surreal pecan]

Nice.

[unkempt gulch]

TS just "texting ship"

or just i dont konw how to name it(

[odd zealot]

TY Saris <3

[upbeat ridge]

(please please please consolidate your dependent clauses into a single messsage it's getting harde to reply to them without going over them all individually)
so the main issue with a flak anything in domination is that it's just not worth the cost sink of flak for so little effect, and also not getting the benefit of flak actually kiting or anything so i'd recocmend at least using strafe, if not (partial) omnidirectional thrust like an avoider

not a bad idea though, just could use some inspiration from the olden days

[vivid ore]

2 min rush wow

[serene latch]

ha ha, it's okay you probably have your own naming scheme lol

has to be better than mine which is just "a, b, c, d, ..."

[jagged flume]

@past fiber vs @proven palm

I actually also named the majority of Qawa's ships since he refused to do more than just letters

Buchanan, Glowbound, Ictina. All my names >:l

[umbral bison]

@errant forge ggs

;.;

[errant forge]

gg wp

[umbral bison]

i got smacked then punched afterward

[unkempt gulch]

what we do have？

[umbral bison]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-smack-slap-punch-gif-7745096

[serene latch]

uh oh saris' internet

[unkempt gulch]

a great painter and nameer

[jagged flume]

My internet dying

[gilded spindle]

oh no

[last cave]

So what's going on rn?

[unkempt gulch]

lol

[fast oracle]

oh the tourney started

[last cave]

I see

[fast oracle]

good luck everyone

[last cave]

I'm still dying xd

[umbral bison]

guys is there a loser bracket ?

[jagged flume]

Unfortunately not

[still cairn]

Yeah it's a bo3

[umbral bison]

damn then

https://tenor.com/view/yuumi-league-of-legends-lol-cat-gif-21108905

[jagged flume]

Sorry for the break can't do anything but wait. Shouldn't be too long

[short tartan]

its oki dw

[still cairn]

There's been some very good games so far

[surreal pecan]

No problem.

Some of those games were gold.

[unkempt gulch]

actually i want use this

but...

i dont have 3arms(

[short tartan]

70k and goes 93 m/s

[upbeat ridge]

just use your starcraft skills and turn cosmoteer into a grid-based selector

[upbeat ridge]

now this is the class of ship that needs to go fast

[short tartan]

actually it has too much storage

[upbeat ridge]

you could theoretically run it off only storages if you went super light but who has the apm for that

[unkempt gulch]

in starcraft i only have 50% wining rate

[upbeat ridge]

better than mine

[jagged flume]

:( https://youtube.com/live/rJS2csUTF4U?feature=share

[odd zealot]

@jagged flume Tonie IS here?!??!/!/

[errant forge]

@jagged flume tonie said that he is back

[jagged flume]

He said he couldn't make it back because storm issues

[errant forge]

he said he is back

[errant forge]

.

he said 34mins ago that he is back

so match should be played, maybe even Tonie against Hollow

[jagged flume]

Hollow definitely left

[odd zealot]

stream died again?

[fast oracle]

yes

[still cairn]

Tonie won match Vs me

So Hansel and Tonie should take place

[errant forge]

yes

[jagged flume]

Not sure what's going on but it doesn't appear to be improving. I'll continue the tournament without the stream and upload the .rec files at a later date

Deepest apologies for the circumstances. I'm not sure what's up with it but I'll be looking into making sure it never occurs again

[upbeat ridge]

an advocate for game-based streaming

[dry otter]

^

make spectating both not take up space in the lobby and make spectators not lag the game out

[inland lagoon]

Im back

[serene latch]

hi back

[errant forge]

wb

[upbeat ridge]

i mean, there is one issue, where you have to stream all the physics-simulated things at the same time as requested, but DLS isn't necessary in this case so ig as long as there's just a stable stream of inputs?

[dry otter]

kinda too late

[errant forge]

nah

he was 40mins ago

[inland lagoon]

i was already back later

[errant forge]

you wont kick my guy out of tournament

for no reason

[fast oracle]

the second thing isn't easy to do :P

[inland lagoon]

am i playing now???

[jagged flume]

Definitely a reason to try events where people individually upload their .rec files and I just cast them after the fact

[upbeat ridge]

literally just don't have deterministic lockstep when spectating; maybe make it actually like streaming

[jagged flume]

Its worth noting that this is more my internet service provider than issues with the game itself

[fast oracle]

this would require the host to stream video to multiple people

[upbeat ridge]

just doing this for the sake of argument saris

[upbeat ridge]

oh i meant streaming the inputs with buffers and everything

[surreal pecan]

You're not Shiva lol.

But you are as close as a human (or feline) being can get.

[upbeat ridge]

there have been further advances

[surreal pecan]

Sure.

But oem no longer playes.

[unkempt gulch]

lol

[upbeat ridge]

damn i thought pop!_os was all good now

maybe oem's an actual sysadmin and does linux stuff for a job (meaning doing thinsg sthe linux way does mean using the time spent to get a job)

[serene latch]

we should start a fundraiser for oem's second computer for the sole purpose of playing cosmoteer

[jagged flume]

Tonie vs Hansel Cat is up next

[unkempt gulch]

now？

[jagged flume]

Er... @inland lagoon and Hansel please join my game

[unkempt gulch]

okay

[errant forge]

tonie is afk now, can ketcha and gnus be first?

[surreal pecan]

Lmao yeah.

[jagged flume]

I'm losing my patience, Tonie has fluctuated between available and gone four times now

Fine

[errant forge]

as there is even no stream, before it was ongoing fight gnus vs ketcha

[surreal pecan]

Unlike Tonie Stark he doesn't have 10 trillion dollar pc 😔

[jagged flume]

Przyjem and Gnusmas are up next

@past fiber if you would be so willing please join the game

[past fiber]

And what is the name of the room?

[unkempt gulch]

where is live一一一

[sour hinge]

#1020489415476396043 message

[unkempt gulch]

oh

sorry

[jagged flume]

Thank you Istral

[sinful roost]

im back

[surreal pecan]

Where's the new stream?

The part 2 that saris posted lasted 6 minutes.

[surreal pecan]

Oh I see.

[jagged flume]

@unkempt gulch vs @inland lagoon

Both of you have four minutes starting now to make it

[inland lagoon]

i cant join as i have no power

[jagged flume]

Thank you for being clear. Sorry for the circumstances, I hope you have less technical issues next time

[surreal pecan]

😔

Sad.

No more monkey sweeping the win.

You did great where you did though 👍

[inland lagoon]

can i still participate?

minute ago

i have

power again

am i stil able to participate

Sacrifice a minute for me?

[still cairn]

Yes sacrifice a minute for tonie Saris :D.

[jagged flume]

Hansel Cat and Przyjem's matches already started what am I supposed to do with that

[inland lagoon]

sure

[still cairn]

aww

Can you like give Hansel a 1 game advantage of something

[sinful roost]

where is the live?

[gilded spindle]

I came back to see the name of the game

lmao

[still cairn]

How is game still going on

[surreal pecan]

It's going on behind the iron curtain in Saris' house.

[still cairn]

Saris doesn't have a house

Cosmoteer elimination is his home

[surreal pecan]

Yeah but he definitely seems like the kind of guy to have a spare iron curtain lying around.

[vivid ore]

wonder if the tourney was recorded even tho the livstream died ... (deathstream so to say)

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

[still cairn]

Who won

[unkempt gulch]

przy

[errant forge]

lets goo

hansel you played very very nice, was a lot of moments i thought im gonna lose

[unkempt gulch]

you still paly standard map and DC i exit the tournament go to paly big map

win-win

[surreal pecan]

No way monkey still won.

[errant forge]

yes thief

i won third time lol

[surreal pecan]

You literally turned tournaments into a money farm.

[fast oracle]

are you winning son

[errant forge]

yes dad

[fast oracle]

przy won again xddd

[errant forge]

unfortuneatly tonie couldnt play, better luck for him next time

[fast oracle]

yeah

[wind ermine]

and then there weren't any Dom tournaments for a long, LONG time

[fast oracle]

🤭

[still cairn]

Yeah it's sad for Tonie

[odd zealot]

Next one will prob be in 2024

[errant forge]

im going to win next elim tournament too 🥸

[still cairn]

No me

In the best Elim player

[fast oracle]

maybe tbh

[still cairn]

I definitely don't ram ion rammers with avoiders no that's not me

[unkempt gulch]

now

[fast oracle]

I'll try to play ions

[unkempt gulch]

you can say przyjem is the best DOM player

[jagged flume]

Winning one tournamnet and thinking it constitutes skill is asinine

[still cairn]

And Tonie wasn't in finals and they are like equal

[fast oracle]

przy is a very good player 👍

in general

[surreal pecan]

Just like how double rail orbiter broke 2v2 tournaments. They were so fun 🥹

[fast oracle]

no more combiners

[vivid ore]

Nice tourney - also not too long and not too short.
... a shame that Artem did not participate tho...

[fast oracle]

I wonder if I could make a super thicc ion rammer specialized for multiple railfan fights

probably not

[vivid ore]

should be possible - but i do not know about hte "multiple"

[fast oracle]

a rammer that 2v1s rail orbis

[vivid ore]

if you can catch the orbiter

[fast oracle]

it would have no front shields and not a lot of front armor

and thicc side and back triangle armor

very thick

[umbral bison]

hey uh

so who won toorney

[errant forge]

i won dom two times so it constitue something, i guess lol

[fast oracle]

przy

[jagged flume]

No one reads announcements 😔

[errant forge]

yes?

[jagged flume]

It definitely has merit, but saying 'best unequivocally' is... certainly something

[fast oracle]

replying to top message

[errant forge]

ah yeah

didnt see it

[umbral bison]

ah yes

@errant forge

xD

[still cairn]

Thanks for the tournament Saris.

[errant forge]

yeah thats true too, i would say hansel and tonie are as good dom players as me

[umbral bison]

yeah thanks it was good

i think my fight against SpaceCat was really entertaining

[still cairn]

I agree you all are better than I can dream of being lol

[sinful roost]

who win?

[errant forge]

Poland

[hardy mulch]

so uh

what the fuck happened?

[sinful roost]

same

[hardy mulch]

how many players have actually participated so far?

[errant forge]

live was gone in half of the tournament, i think saris gonna make it on youtube later

[errant forge]

its already done

[hardy mulch]

very cool

[errant forge]

@jagged flume when we can expect youtube video with final games?

as vochi probably was the only player watching it, by my stream

[hardy mulch]

did both tonie and hollowan disappear?

[errant forge]

tonie got hit by lightining, and hollowan forfeited in hope of tonie getting back before fight with hansel

[hardy mulch]

I see

it's a little funny that hansel only got to fight twice(

but it makes sense given the circumstances

[snow seal]

oh that was today?

gz everyone

[still cairn]

GG everyone

[odd zealot]

Very intense games indeed.

[errant forge]

from your view was much much more intense, as you was watching me playing it

[still cairn]

I was sweating against c108

[junior patrol]

who i spacecaat

[chilly barn]

@vivid ore is spacecat

[errant forge]

Actually those few dollars arent that super bad amount in poland

yk everything cheaper here

[surreal pecan]

Yeah I understand.

Same with car thief dimensi- I mean Georgia.

[sinful roost]

does every tournament is the same? or the cost or game mode is diferent?

[vocal cloak]

there is dom tourney and there is elim tourney

dom is this tourney, elim is the one in june

[sinful roost]

elim is 1v1?

[vocal cloak]

yes

1,5m budget, go kill each other

[sinful roost]

tnx

[sinful roost]

i just made the head design for my future 1,5m ship i call it "brazil+ 1000"

oh the shield dosent work

just now that i seed it

[inland lagoon]

too many reactors, 1 large reactor should be able to run all of it

[sinful roost]

tnx

[inland lagoon]

you can put all these ions on one side, and connect 3 large shields to one reactor

make another similiar module on the other side of the ship too, but make some space for the prisms

[sinful roost]

ill try that

[inland lagoon]

Also you can try optimizing the crew, using the least to power all the modules efficiently, you can experiment with it a little and get money off of it

[raven fern]

You should join the Excelsior discord. All the competitive players discuss and share their PVP builds there. There are channels filled with competitive vessels that have participated in previous tournaments. You could find some inspiration for your own designs

Check the #links to join

[sinful roost]

tnx

[sinful roost]

i didin't find it. it's the right name?

[raven fern]

Yes

scroll up
#links message

[sinful roost]

oh thanks

[inland lagoon]

why does tape play cosmoteer for 20 hours

why does everyone do that

ur not gog!

[surreal pecan]

No life?

[errant forge]

Someone felt free to message him for a duel!

[hazy brook]

its called afk skill

also im trying out some profile pics

[upbeat ridge]

wtf i dont have an elim tournament on me

[upbeat ridge]

nah he play less than me

[umbral bison]

make a smile in game

[errant forge]

@jagged flume when we gonna have tournament video?

[hazy brook]

we should have an illegal ship tournament

[serene latch]

lag machines:

[surreal pecan]

He most likely meant illegal building (Thruster deadzone obscurity) not illegal archetypes like lag machines and cancer paint shit.

Well, illegal tournament was already once discussed, and there are a few takeaways... First of all, engine rooms will be much denser, with five huge thrusters per ER and second, you could have much denser deck cannon modules. A few other takeaways too like building off-grid, but nothing too impactful.

||Also, it will be possible to instantly sabotage the enemy team by building your ship WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off-grid to spawn inside the enemy territory.||

[umbral bison]

about that, we should confirm first that our PCs and connexions can handle that, cause otherwise not possible

If it's huge ships or so xD

Yeah about time we make a toorney where it's 1v1s, but each have like 15M budget and huge ships allowed

[past fiber]

And why did you ping me?

[umbral bison]

Wait why did i pinged you

I have no clue sorry

[past fiber]

Heh

[umbral bison]

Here better

I guess discord fast typing made things

[past fiber]

I already thought I had become an authority))

[surreal pecan]

You did become one lol.

[past fiber]

Well they still call me nouname

[hazy brook]

what about illegal but no going outside the grid?

[spring fable]

UL Nuke is about to get a lot smaller

[hazy brook]

lol ah yes

cant get smaller than this

[spring fable]

not a UL its got armor smh

[trim kestrel]

smh you mean you don't design your missile ships to look like innocent civilian transport ships to surprise attack your enemy?

oops necropost, well too late I already pinged

[surreal pecan]

...Sooo, any specific date on the new tournament? It's gonna be elim with balance mod, right?

[odd zealot]

[jagged flume]

I was planning on it using the RC with the chaingun as Walt gave the impression that was being released soon

#announcements message

[surreal pecan]

Alright, I see 👍

God the chaingun will be epic.

I hope it won't require its own special balancing or else that might postpone the event signup even further.

[umbral bison]

what's the chaingun

[surreal pecan]

Planned weapon on the roadmap, apparently very soon to be a reality.

[umbral bison]

Okay

[jagged flume]

The point of the event would be determining it's own special balancing

[short tartan]

will we be using the balance mod for the upcoming tournament?

[jagged flume]

Not if it has the chaingun

[surreal pecan]

(I got slightly confused) So if chaingun releases we won't be using the bal mod?

Sorry if I misunderstood your sentence.

[jagged flume]

Yes, that's what that means

[surreal pecan]

Alright I see.

Wouldn't chaingun (unaltered) plus balance mod work though?

Or if its far too broken it could be toned down in emergency.

[jagged flume]

There will be multiple balance mod tournaments to revise and determine what the best fit for it is, and as such it's better to test chaingun alongside the balance that will remain established for an extended amount of time

Not to mention I'm excited to see how players use the chaingun, and wouldn't want to distract from it

[surreal pecan]

Great point 👍

Chaingun should get its center stage.

The last new weapon (DC not the mining laser lol) was almost a year ago and boy was it important, if chaingun is 50% as influential we all will have a spectacular event at hands.

[errant forge]

Is 3v3 tournament concerned by anyone? Maybe in future, might work for dom, huge tactical aspect

[short tartan]

tbh i dont think it would work in the slightest beacuse of issues getting ppl connected as well as idk if saris's internet could stream it

[past fiber]

I would not refuse such a tournament

[jagged flume]

How do you solve the connection issues

[hardy mulch]

bug walt to fix it(

[gilded spindle]

And explain to me how you would beat 3 rail orbiters

[jagged flume]

Ban rails or make it lower budget/domination

[surreal pecan]

On top of how little teams there will be.

[surreal pecan]

3 player railfan combiner that can oneshot rail orbiters and has enough armor all round to tank their volleys 🗿

[gilded spindle]

That will die before it has a chance to click together

[hollow socket]

If all players spawn in a line, it's possible to combine fast enough by holding the move button

A 4.5m railfan is a cruel thing

[gilded spindle]

They spawn in a triangular formation

[jagged flume]

Imagine thinking a 9m lobby would ever work

[gilded spindle]

The lag would be too much to bare

[errant forge]

thats why i proposed dom

btw @jagged flume you could finally make the tornament video on youtube:P

[surreal pecan]

I have had people host 60mil lobbies work with my titans and still finish the game without anybody disconnecting 👍

[surreal pecan]

Exactly, the front ship would be all the guns, and the back parts will spawn diagonally, with them having a few guns and all the thrust.

The middle piece would have structure brackets to un-diagonalify (if that makes sense, sort of straighten with structure) the two pieces and somehow make them lock properly.

Might be theoretically possible but tough.

[jagged flume]

Not disconnecting =/= fun to watch or participate in. All you get is stuttering and a wasted half hour

[surreal pecan]

Fair enough but the .rec replay has zero lag so you can watch it in high quality at least.

Oh yeah also I meant 120mil lobby, 60mil per team.

FUN!

[vocal cloak]

and how many other attempt went horribly wrong

[surreal pecan]

Eh, one out of eight succeeded, that's a decent success rate if you ask me :>

[raven fern]

I bet I could make that work if I decide to lose my sanity over it while making all three ships lock with the given spawn distance

[surreal pecan]

I want to make one anyways, if you want to help I'd be down :>

[raven fern]

Sounds like fun!

[surreal pecan]

Very useless and unbelievably conditional, but will be fun!

[raven fern]

We'll lose our sanity together

[surreal pecan]

HECK YES

If only gameknight or cgt were more open to collabs, I begged them so many times.

[young jacinth]

Can I be the third player xD

[surreal pecan]

Don't see why not lol.

MAAAAAAAAAN it will be such a pain in the backside to manage...

The core player has to be in the very middle so the other two players should jump back and forth to make him the ''leader,'' the left and the right should be consistent with one another or else it'll spawn with the wing pieces facing away, there will have to be the bottom left and bottom right versions too on top of the middle version........

Would be utter logistical torture and might not even be worth it.

But as long as it kills all bane of humanity rail orbiters...

[young jacinth]

Cool just ping me when I should join the pain train

[chilly barn]

I would be open if I had time 😭

also I don't see any asks in our dms

[stone zephyr]

nah but what if

hmmm

I could probably get a two directional movement lock working

[surreal pecan]

I remember I once pinged you in multiplayer lfg but you said you were very busy and that I should've asked somebody else like Blaze (who's always open).

[chilly barn]

I think it was a suggestion to ask blaze, but not that you shouldn't have asked me

[surreal pecan]

Alright I see.

[inland lagoon]

@jagged flume just a question, do you have the .rec files or any way to upload the last fights in the tournament to youtube? if no, thats understandable

[errant forge]

i have .recs

can send them for youtube purposes

[hazy brook]

what about a 1v1v1 dom tournament?

[errant forge]

no

[hollow socket]

yes

[surreal pecan]

1v1v1v1 freeforall tourney xd

[unkempt gulch]

no ffa

[gilded spindle]

I remember a 1v1v1 tourney

[raven fern]

Sounds fun

[gilded spindle]

I threw round 1 lmao

me, VT and coolroco

I split my 2 ships apart and died

[jagged flume]

Lol lmao 1v1v1 sounds amazing

[stone zephyr]

even though I wouldnt be able to play that sounds hella fun to watch

[jagged flume]

1v1v1 is a better balancing system than previews off

[upbeat ridge]

also known as standoff central/double trouble

[jagged flume]

See that's the thing you're instantly given important tactical decisions to make. If both players recognize one of them as having superior skill, then they are incentivized to team up against them, naturally helping solve a skill gap

[vocal cloak]

@jagged flume is the tourney 1 loadout or is it the ban system?

[jagged flume]

Previews are off and fog of war is on

Walt explicitely requested to have tournament variety, and I haven't done either of those settings in some time. Furthermore as Chainguns have windup mechanics, I thought it was a good time to try

[vocal cloak]

i see

should be interesting

[fast oracle]

ooh tourney

fog of war is very interesting

a bit of a nerf to railfans and long range weapons

i wonder how many sensor rooms we will see

I also like the double elim but 1 match instead of 3

[raven fern]

Yes! Elim is back on the menu!

[raven fern]

I doubt they'll be used because of their price. Aside from rails getting an early volley not sure how useful they would be

[desert sky]

my poor traps 😭

[jagged flume]

Yikes

[raven fern]

It would be novel and fun

[jagged flume]

The more you complain about it the more likely I am to do it, you know

Infinitely more interesting than the same people with the same ruleset using the same ships the same way

[raven fern]

All tournaments don't need to be.
A 1v1v1 wouldn't be balanced be it would certainly but interesting

[jagged flume]

Consider how funny it is to watch them bargain in the chat live

[raven fern]

"Free paragon to those that don't focus me"

[jagged flume]

Przyjem you've won four tournaments what do you have to complain about

It'd be more impressive to beat two players at once anyway

The last tournament was exceedingly shitty, in my opinion

See how that works? We can just say random things

Doesn't make em true

Rule 14 but whatever

[raven fern]

Przy is just not a big fan of change.
Can't hurt to try, even if it is just once

[fast oracle]

1v1v1 would probably cause drama and people would probably get angry

[raven fern]

Fantastic! May their salt fuel our power 😆

Jokes aside, anything is better than the same old show over and over

[jagged flume]

See that's kind of the thing, it's actual investment in the tournament

[desert sky]

which will be perfect

[vocal cloak]

hmm 1v1v1 seems like it will favor kites and ULs and just run away from everything

[raven fern]

Not in the gaming world

[desert sky]

just-- don't put a cashprice 😓

[vocal cloak]

yea

its a funny rule set for shits and giggles but if given actual stakes might not end well

[raven fern]

Worst case scenario, if it were to happen. Don't participate, others who find it interesting will have fun and you can join the next tournament with standard rules

Nobody here can say that Pvp doesn't feel stagnant

[young jacinth]

RIP

I wanted to use mine too

[surreal pecan]

The ship preview off and fog of war on are sure one of the decisions of all time...

Fog of war will make stuff pretty interesting and paired up with ship preview it'll making guessing what enemy brought basically impossible.

Will be interesting but also I'm afraid very matchup-dependent and kinda random. Enemy could bring a TB rail whilst you might be rocking an ultralight ship.

[fast oracle]

ah no ship preview? cool

how many ships per person?

[young jacinth]

Its also interesting as you can know what types of ships some players play

[fast oracle]

ionsionsions

[young jacinth]

Also tb doesnt hard counter ul

[jagged flume]

Infinite choices, or the normal vanilla limit of 5 slots I guess

[icy oxide]

Radar 💸
Radar 💸

[surreal pecan]

That's where the mind games kick in, I know you play a lot of ions, and you know I know you play a lot of ions, so I might bring an ion counter and you might bring a TB rail that utterly destroys me.

But then, I might think that you know that I know you play a lot of ions, and I might pick a tb rail counter, whilst you'll still pick an ion and I get destroyed.

[shrewd imp]

Is it 1.5 mil elim?

[surreal pecan]

But to be honest this is a bad scenario to analyze because tb rail counters are already ions and ions vs ions do well.

Of course.

[young jacinth]

Yes

[shrewd imp]

Ok thanks!

[fast oracle]

ions don't counter 8tb rails unless 14 ers

[surreal pecan]

Yeah I guess.

I did beat a few 8tb ships with my 12 er pyramid, but they weren't used by skilled people.

I beat chernobyl once and I also beat some other guy.

[fast oracle]

yeah nah

if used right, 8tb with the tb at the front can even counter the gigathrust 14 er ions

[raven fern]

And they don't counter 6tb rails with nukes :p

[fast oracle]

@jagged flume I don't remember if I mentioned this but are mines targeted to junk legal?

[jagged flume]

I don't understand

[fast oracle]

https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1146927814579335198

when you target mines to junk they go through shields even if armed

[jagged flume]

So at the very least I give you props for telling me about it rather than just doing it in tournament, as based as that is

[fast oracle]

and they do noticeably more damage

because they explode on contact so their shots spawn inside the enemy

[raven fern]

That exploit still works? Tape didn't seem to be able to make use of it the other night. Thought it might be fixed

[fast oracle]

really? But we didn't have a release candidate

[raven fern]

Eh maybe it was a fluke and they remain devastating

[fast oracle]

i should test it then

I'm saying it because I'm not going to play them anyway because i hate kites

[young jacinth]

I dont trust you

[raven fern]

Kite? Tape uses an orbiter with nukes and mines though

[fast oracle]

i hate anything that isn't ramming tbh

[vocal cloak]

luna changes her nion to a mion

[fast oracle]

i tried but it doesn't work

[raven fern]

You'd get along with the Orks from the 40k universe 😆

Always prefering to get in close and dirty

[fast oracle]

that's funny because i'm usually stealth archer in rpgs

literally a kite

[surreal pecan]

When was tap's ship kite.

[surreal pecan]

Grr >:(

To be fair this isn't as good as a nuke ion but it's MY inferior prototype!

[surreal pecan]

Funny thing I initially named my Minion the ''Mion.''

[young jacinth]

@jagged flume I would recommend a high stream delay to not give viewing players to much of an advantage. But i think that has been the case anyways in the last few tourneys.

[jagged flume]

It has

I've considered just zooming in for the first minute for the game to start as well

[young jacinth]

Yes would be funny seeing you rush to say the loadouts as the fight has already started.

[jagged flume]

Sorry, I meant like to the center of the map so as to obscure the ships

[young jacinth]

Sorry I dont understand. How can you zoom in to the center and not obscure ships at the same time?

[fast oracle]

zoom the center of the map

[jagged flume]

Inbetween the ships

[icy oxide]

TBs are natural counter for ramming in general, you know.

[raven fern]

Not againt rammers specifically designed to counter 6 tb rails.

The meta has evolved in the last few months and players have designed hooks allowing them to ram lock tb rail consistently.

8tb still makes it difficult but 6 tb will straight up lose without some extra help such as nukes.

[shrewd imp]

Do I have to be available both days? Cos i need to confirm times for 30th as at some point I am out w/family

[autumn maple]

Funny how everything is still speed meta

[hollow socket]

more speed is more control

[icy oxide]

And then tradeoff for extra ERs is not good for mirrors. Meta evolving, etc, etc, but what I want to say - TBs rails where always great to punish ramlock attempts.

[raven fern]

That's a given

[raven fern]

@jagged flume are there going to be minimum ping requirements?

[fast oracle]

this is just not true

my ions win mirrors while being able to ramlock tb rails

extra thrust allows me to use other strategies like side nukes to compensate for the lack of damage

or using the ramhooks designed for tb rails to manipulate the ion fight in my favor

slow ions are just awful even if powerful

[raven fern]

Ion cruiser 👀

[fast oracle]

ion cruisers with less than 6 ers are shit

the ones with 6 usually win the same way an ion kite would win, but i would not say that's a mirror

[raven fern]

In a ram the cruiser wins unless the nukes manage to save you last time I checked

Raw dps advantage

[icy oxide]

Oh, nukes. It is other deal. And I don't mention them.

From my experience after 10 ERs, more ERs don't give much more advantage in mirrors.

[fast oracle]

From my experience, you need 4 more ers than the opponent in a mirror to have the advantage

[surreal pecan]

Yeah, I tried fighting with a 6er against gameknight's 10er and it was a brutal match for me.

However with an 8er it was easier.

[raven fern]

Something I haven't payed attention to.
Tb ion beats other ions right?

[young jacinth]

yes

[surreal pecan]

Mostly.

And it is the most cancerous matchup in this game.

[raven fern]

@fast oracle yet another ship type to add to the pile you can build 😄

[raven fern]

Try fighting a TB PD wall lol

[fast oracle]

skill issue if the ion loses tbh

nion consistently wins tb ions

fion is not far either

i suspect tb ions might be useful against tb rails

[desert sky]

yeah even me win these matchup

[young jacinth]

I won almost every match against other ions

with tb ion

[fast oracle]

tb ions can be very good but they are a fair fight against normal ion rammers and lose against nuke ions

[young jacinth]

So qawa has skill issue?

[raven fern]

Tb ion loses that match up

[desert sky]

WHAT

@serene latch explain yourself

[fast oracle]

F

[fast oracle]

no

[raven fern]

Qawa skill issue confirmed. He got counterfeit paragon 😝

[icy oxide]

Where edge between paragon and expert for now btw

[raven fern]

Exceptional ship designs with the piloting skills to win the vast majority of their games against other experts?

[desert sky]

qawa and saris but not slowking

imo qawa drew the line

[raven fern]

I'd say Saris is the better builder and qawa the better pilot.
Gives an idea of the standards to reach in either category

[icy oxide]

It was always as it and the lines are blurred for now

For me Qawa is still expert (high expert) for some reason lol

[raven fern]

You haven't been active in quite a while though. Maybe that's why?

[icy oxide]

Maybe because most of the paragons "dead"?

[icy oxide]

And aren't "exceptional ship designs" is point of visionary?

[raven fern]

Can't deny that, it's difficult to compare to paragons if we don't see them play.
But if we compare qawa with the current active experts he's definitely on a higher tier

[raven fern]

Visionary has no proper criterions so nobody knows what that role is anymore.
Supposedly meant to indicate someone who has pioneered a new meta or ship type

If the lines for expert are blurred, then those for visionary are nonexistent 😅

[icy oxide]

Also, expert role is the most blurred range of players compared to any other roles.

Yep

[raven fern]

Basically, expert is two ranks in one in terms of varying player skills.
Adept is silver, expert is gold & platinum while paragon is diamond

[icy oxide]

Aaand I think I'll stick to the opinion that the counterplay is more often solve than the skill. Or at least ~50/50.

[raven fern]

It's indeed easier to design a ship meant to counter another than to beat it with one that is on par

[icy oxide]

One of the reason for me to abandon pvp for a while. Stop, no design contests in recent time? Anyway, I find that even the design contests or just design in general have a grain of "counterplay".

[desert sky]

blame architects

[raven fern]

Counterplay in painting? That's rather confusing, how does that happen?

As for pvp, you're tired of facing players picking counters when fighting you? You could just pick a ship which results in a more balanced fight. Granted that does mean spending time designing multiple different archetypes

[icy oxide]

Some styles looks better, than others, do you notice?

In the end counterplay will decide often and I don't like that conception.

[raven fern]

I'll admit that I've never taken the time to look at the design contest ships so I wouldn't know

[surreal pecan]

I have. TB ions are worse.

In my opinion.

[gilded spindle]

1v1v1 will make this more fun

even if it will serve to mess up stronger players via 2v1

[surreal pecan]

Lol.

The most unfair tournament of all time.

2 people gang up and then they fight in a 1v1.

The ganged up player will be treated like shit and the two others will have actual fun 😔

[jagged flume]

Counterplay in design contests lmao seems like a skill issue

If you weren't good enough to get 1st place that's really all there is to it. It's not as if the votes were being swung wildly by outside circumstances

[surreal pecan]

I don't think I get it.

[serene latch]

ion rammers don't win against tb ion (6tb + 10er) and the one i used in that fight (IIRC) did not have nukes/mines, it was 24 ions

[autumn maple]

but the clutch and montage content

the POTENTIAL

THE GAMING MOMENTS

THE FRIENDLY FIRE WITH NUKES!!!!

👀

[gilded spindle]

fog too

[young jacinth]

Fun for the viewers and 66% of the players

Sounds like bullying

[gilded spindle]

Gonna do 60 second lag stream hacks

[young jacinth]

Im for it

[surreal pecan]

Exactly what I said.

Also it's moreso 67% of the players because it's closer to 2/3 i.e. 66.(6), but whatever.

[young jacinth]

Approximately 60%

[chilly barn]

when I saw that ping I thought chaniguns were out

also I can't come 😦

[autumn maple]

1v1v1 would be funny but it isn't a real testimony of skill and shouldn't be one so a 1v1v1 tourney would be more like a livestream of continuous bullying or montages

[jagged flume]

Tournaments in general barely substantiate skill and should not exactly be used as such

[forest cedar]

Is the upcoming tourney 1.5m elim?

It doesnt say, or at least i cant find the description on what it is

[raven fern]

And what about this?

[raven fern]

It should be

[forest cedar]

Also is it a solo tourney or teams

[raven fern]

solo

[forest cedar]

Alr thx

Hopefully i’ll do better than last time lol

At least now im actually good at avoiders

[short tartan]

@jagged flume I can only make it one of the days for the tournament, would I be allowed to only sign up for one day?

[icy oxide]

Lol, do you understand what I said at all. Typically, success of work depends on impression that it makes on viewers/voters/etc. And then even with equal technic level some styles looks different. Such as cabal more vivid and colorful, than monolith, etc, etc. I'm not whining lol, it's just reality.

[chilly barn]

There's no thing about how you choose ships, I assume it's "normal" where you just choose, but wait ship previews are off

so uhhh how does that work

@jagged flume why are previews off

[raven fern]

Complete fog of war

[chilly barn]

wait and fog of war LOL
what is this tourney

[raven fern]

Cosmoteer roulette 😄

[chilly barn]

id expect to see freiendy fire on tbh

[raven fern]

Should definitely make each match interesting. We'll have absolutely no idea what to expect

[chilly barn]

I have to assume it's a mistake

[raven fern]

I think Saris talked about it. You might find what he said if you scroll up

[chilly barn]

I scrolled up until the release time of the tourney announcment and didn't find anyting

besides when he said that it would be a bad idea to do previews off

and he said that fog of war in elim is stupid

[vocal cloak]

Seems like he is doing it for an "i told you so" moment lol

[vocal cloak]

There his reasoning

[jagged flume]

Even if it's not whining, it sets a bad precedent of doing whine adjacent things about why the results 'weren't fair' or some other nonsense

I mean, surely, you hear yourself? Counterplay in design contests? This is the first time ever that people have ever claimed that there was unfairness in... how other people submit their ships?

[desert sky]

that art in general Imm, you can't please everybody
the 'best' painter/aesthetic builder can't exist, and i would not call this counterplay personally

and it's not specific to cosmoteer either

[young jacinth]

Saris said there wont be ping requirements anymore a few tourneys ago

[jagged flume]

It's too chaotic trying to sort people because they don't check in in any specific way, and it's misleading because people will check in then go nap or shower

[icy oxide]

I didn't said fair it or not. Fairness of specific cases is other question. And I can hear myself just fine. Stop talking about fairness or unfairness. I said that there a "grain of counterplay". And my 2nd part of message '' In the end counterplay will'' was adressed to Blaze's message, not to design. So back to design, implict counterplay, I think. And as Xsnow said, it's just part of art, yes, but sometimes it's can be decisive factor via impression. Thats all.

"Counterplay" term is probably not quite correct. Something like "originality" or/and "first impression" would be better.

[jagged flume]

So it would be better for results to be hidden in every regard until the day of voting

So that there's nothing regarding 'firstness'

[desert sky]

flashy colors attract more the eye than the cool black and white pixel art
that all they are saying(i think)

it's not even an opinion it's a fact.

and it's nothing specific to cosmoteer design contests don't worry

[jagged flume]

I mean shouldn't you kinda be penalized for making greyscale pixel art?

If your goal is to make a cool ship it's probably going to be a better idea to make a cool, perhaps flashy spaceship. I'm still missing the point

[desert sky]

no i disagree, different art style shouldn't be penalized
since they are all equal as there is no "best way to make art"

[fast oracle]

the design contests are maximizing a design that people like instead of an interesting artistic design

i think that's fine tbh

[vocal cloak]

Anyway are we getting a design contest soon? Surely with a new weapon this would be a pretty good timing for one

[jagged flume]

Who are you asking

[vocal cloak]

Since you are already here, you i guess

[jagged flume]

I plan on asking for the position sometime soon as 0neye has been absent, and have written out a few things to assist people in making campaign functional ships. Issue is bridging the connection between how player votes have relevance in the face of Architects having the ultimate say

My current thought process is as follows, and I plan on pitching it to Walt soon:
1st voting phase:

• players submit ships
• players vote for which ships to pass
• all winning ships make it to the second voting phase and get added to the ship library
  2nd voting phase:
• architects vote for which ships to pass
• all winning ships get added to the campaign

[surreal pecan]

Lol I thought that message of Saris' was referring to me.

[surreal pecan]

Isn't that how it always worked since the january DC? Because I was under impression that's what always happened. Contestants make and submit ships, people vote for them, winning ones get added to the ship library, then architects choose which ones are campaign-worthy, and whichever ones win get added to the official game's progression.

[fast oracle]

nick please make a miner ship

[surreal pecan]

I did make one in the previous dc but it lost 😔

[short tartan]

?????

[chilly barn]

So, fog of war and ship previews off are intentional?

[surreal pecan]

Most definitely lol.

I'm pretty sure chaingun will take centre stage for this tourney.

...If it will be allowed to begin with.

[chilly barn]

Wtf

I'm glad I'm not participating

[surreal pecan]

Rip.

[hollow socket]

I think fog of war is nice, along with rocks it makes the map a mind field without the sensor for very fast monothrust ships

[chilly barn]

So basically everyone needs to put sensors on their 1.5m ships?

[desert sky]

you can get along without it just fine for things like rammers

plus old tournament had fog

source? trust me bro/j

[chilly barn]

With rocks too?

Trying to nerf rails??

And missiles?

[desert sky]

trying to add fricking varity

[hollow socket]

It's fine for rails

[chilly barn]

Trying to add mystery sqibs to the game to confuse opponent and make surviving a railkite a 50/50?

[hollow socket]

Fast monothrust TB rails that is

[chilly barn]

Literally 50/50

0 counterplay???

And if rail kite is faster, can just do 50/50 again

Explain possible counterplay to me

[surreal pecan]

Yeah I got a bit terrified when I saw the tourney settings too.

It's a bit of an insane and bold decision.

And especially weird because Saris has always been opposing preview off as it devolves into mind games.

[vocal cloak]

oh thats a nice idea to use

[vocal cloak]

you can spot rock far before you are going to hit it, fog of war is slightly smaller than missile range

[surreal pecan]

If anything rails will become better because lower range ships will probably won't use a sensor and they'll have a much better first strike advantage.

[short tartan]

nvm, realized question was dumb

[vocal cloak]

Rail Traps are the one i find rather scary since as long one is spotting the other is free to shoot in from fog of war

[surreal pecan]

dang yeah.

Assym railtrap one of which have a sensor.

Op

[serene latch]

you can tell by speed (squib is faster); if they're going same speed then u can just circle around (railkite forward is very slow) and if they're both going fast then the 50/50 doesn't exist bc railkite needs time to turn around

[chilly barn]

You match speed of the sqib
It's not that hard

[serene latch]

did you not read what i said

[chilly barn]

Thats why you modify railkite to go faster forward

Or you realize how fast the railkite can turn around
Esp with a sensor if you dont have a sensor, railkite sees you before you see railkite

[serene latch]

i'm not gonna bother arguing; i'm in school atm

if you want to prove this idea then feel free to fight me on saturday (unless i'm writing piqs the whole day)

[chilly barn]

Hehehehe i have band comp Saturday

So can't

[azure goblet]

I was going to host something this month but then school started. Also there's still the issue of how independent ships will work being up in the air, so it would probably have to be a faction contest.

[jagged flume]

Do you mind if I take the position since you're occupied with school or would you rather I wait

[azure goblet]

I'd like to host one to see if I can first. If I don't have anything posted by the end of this month you can take it on.

[surreal pecan]

I would be totally fine with a faction contest.

Also, how about a station/def platform contest? Would be a nice breath of fresh air plus make stuff interesting.

[surreal pecan]

Also I love how Saris has become a swiss army knife person at this point, doing literally everything for the game and its community - building ships, commissioning stuff, moderation, tutorial videos, basically the only active Paragon, ||(Now that Qawa is one it's no longer but still)|| tournament hosting+management+casting and now DESIGN CONTESTS too?! Wow, props to you Swiss Army Saris.

[hazy brook]

1v1v1 would be great for a tourney with no cash prize, otherwise people might make alliances to team against others

[hollow socket]

Split the earnings

[hollow socket]

Yes, I'll split the reward of a ship being painted, so that each of us has half a painted ship

[serene latch]

big brain

[surreal pecan]

Or one ship of a 2-way trap- Hey what's if a fully asymmetric trap with one piece being 700K and the other being 800K?

Or alternatively just a random 500K ship.

I mean 750K

[snow seal]

i have a pair that is 765 and 735k

dc and rail orbi but they suck

[surreal pecan]

I do too actually, but my pair is 825-675K, with the latter being the rail.

[gilded spindle]

will the tournament be played on the RC if the chaingun isn't fully out by saturday?

or will it be rebalance mod

[hollow socket]

There should be a tournament where friendly fire is on

[gilded spindle]

...no?

Friendly fire is a completely redundant rule that makes ships blow themselves up every tenth match

[young jacinth]

We play RC from what I know

[fast oracle]

it will be the last update that has the chaingun to help with balance

[gilded spindle]

neat

at least there's no restriction on ships this tourney

[fast oracle]

yep

I guess i have to make a chaingun triangle now that it's broken xd

kites might be useful too if we expect a lot of slow chaingun ships

[gilded spindle]

there's more than just kites to beat chaingun triangles tho

kites are boring to watch

[vocal cloak]

nukes should still work well against the alpha CG, not sure if DC rammers still works since alpha CG ships now have more guns, more ammo and can focus fire properly now

[vivid ore]

why are DC buffed?

[vocal cloak]

no

CG

[surreal pecan]

Chain gun.

[forest cedar]

Are we using the rebalance mod in this tourney?

Also is pd allowed in this tourney

[jagged flume]

PD is allowed. We're using the most recent RC and such to help test chainguns instead of the balance mod

[forest cedar]

Alr thx. twst?

[jagged flume]

"Twst" ?

[serene latch]

help twst chainguns

i think saris meant test

[jagged flume]

Affirmative

[forest cedar]

Ah

[jagged flume]

Since there's only twelve people currently should I move it to be only one date?

[spring fable]

i couldnt come on the 23 so if you moved it to only the 30th i could probably be there

[rustic ingot]

I’m fine either day

Also who here is gonna use a chain gun ship for the tournament

[young jacinth]

I would use one as its currently very broken. But that could change with a rc next week.

[gilded spindle]

Having a single date would allow less organisation time and avoid random updates midweek

[fast oracle]

oh it's tomorrow

nice

i should make a chain ship lmao

[hazy root]

If its only 1 day I will join

For me 2 dates is nearly impossible

[chilly barn]

huh I would have been able to do it if it was later

[serene latch]

i find the number of us that would be able to attend if it was only one day next week a bit funny

[short tartan]

I just realized I could make it but Its too late for me to sign up and I don't trust any of my ships

[vocal cloak]

sign up is until 1 hour before tourney starts right? still got time

[young jacinth]

And its worth it even if your ships are suboptimal

And now you even have another week

[short tartan]

I thought it was on the 23rd?

nvm

I cannot make the new date

[vivid ore]

12 players not enough sigh

[cloud lily]

Aww I was looking forward to the tournament tomorrow :p

I've been sitting here doing the final touches getting ready for it

[surreal pecan]

Me too.

[desert sky]

so, do the sign-up close on the 30th?

i should not be avalible in time for the start of the tourney but i'm not sure yet

[hollow socket]

Saris, I was just about to sign up

[surreal pecan]

Maybe sign up bit earlier?

[raven fern]

?poll "Which day are you available for the tournament?" "The 23rd" "The 30th" "Both"

[hybrid holly]

Which day are you available for the tournament?

1️⃣ The 23rd

2️⃣ The 30th

3️⃣ Both

Poll by blaze580 · Sep 22, 2023, 5:00 PM

Poll created.

[surreal pecan]

Most people who signed up already had being present on both days in mind.

...Because that was the plan before Saris abruptly changed it.

[raven fern]

I could've done without the "Both" option. Oh well it doesn't matter, I just wanted to see how many players in total are available on one day or the other

[short tartan]

@jagged flume if the tournement is tommorow i will be able to join, if its on the 30th i wont

[gilded spindle]

As it seems more people are capable of joining tomorrow I think it's a better suited time

running a pole before announcing it might have been a good idea

[surreal pecan]

No it's just that we all are impatient.

Well except I didn't vote 1.

[spring fable]

im the complete oppostite 💀 cant come tomorrow but 30th is all good

[short tartan]

I think for future tournaments single day signups should be an option

with the caveat of potentially not being able to play if too many people sign up for a certain day

[jagged flume]

How does that even work

"I'll sign up for the second day, when the bracket is filled in"

[surreal pecan]

Or alternatively ''I'll sign up for the next day, when over half the matches have already happened and I'd be placed somewhere in the quarter finalists for free.''

At worst impossible, at best a torture for hosts to manage.

[gilded spindle]

at that point just sign up for the finals

[surreal pecan]

Yes lol.

...And either get extremely lucky with a hardcounter or get your anus handed by whoever made it all the way through.

Or maybe if you sign up for the finals only you have to beat the finalist the amount of times they have won.

...Whilst they obviously have to beat you once.

[cloud lily]

It'd be about time for the tournament if we're doing it today - are we?

[sinful roost]

yeah

[cloud lily]

Good stuff!

[sinful roost]

where is everyone?

[cloud lily]

I don't know

There was some talk about it not happening today and only on the 30th but it was kinda up in the air.

[gilded spindle]

Not really, saris said it and that means it's so

@jagged flume You should clarify in the sign-up with a message

[cloud lily]

Well if it turns out it's been called off for today, want to talk and play some in vc @sinful roost?

[sinful roost]

i am very good at writhing in english but i basicaly cant talk in english

[cloud lily]

Alright

[remote plover]

so is it not happening today then?

[surreal pecan]

We have to wait for Saris to cobfi but I'm pretty sure he hasn't changed his mind in any way.

[gilded spindle]

I would have started an hour ago

nearly two at this stage

[short tartan]

dual sided bracket

like this

left side is day 1.
right side and Finals are day 2.

[short tartan]

nevermind, I have realized the stupidity of what I have said

[fast oracle]

nah, it's better to do first rounds first and then quarters, semis and finals

[gilded spindle]

The first round is 50% of the tournament statistically

so breaking it up like that is the best way

sorry for ping)

[fast oracle]

yes

[gilded spindle]

as this is just another rng tourney i'm not 100% interested

[surreal pecan]

Yeah me too, most stuff will come down to luck.

[raven fern]

Should still be fun, mind games, remembering what ships your opponents have played in public lobbies and such

[surreal pecan]

This is where the mind gamea stage truly kicks in. Some players might create a false impression and bring 100% different ships than what they use.

[raven fern]

Yep 😄

[surreal pecan]

It'll be 90% teickery and deception, 10% fun ship action and strategy.

There are so many tricks I can think of in my head that can be employed and might be in it.

And then there's the predictable old me :/

[sharp bane]

oops missed the tourney

but I think I was too busy anyways

or well, missed the signups since it's been rescheduled ig

but anyways lotsa uni stuff to do :D

[raven fern]

Sign up for next week end, maybe you'll be able to attend

Fog of war is ON and ship previews are OFF. Perfect for you and your alpha ship shenanigans 😄

[sharp bane]

Oh oops looks like I have uhh..
A daytrip planned for the 30th

what do I care about more, Cosmoteer or some village in Scotland? Idk!

[young jacinth]

I think the answer is obvious

[upbeat ridge]

you could aways paint a plaid ship

anyway hm, is it worth joining this tourney or do i sleep on it

[gilded spindle]

Do you like rock paper scissors with skill?

[desert sky]

isin't like closer to pocker

[gilded spindle]

No, since you can't swap non-favorable cards out mid game

[vivid ore]

you can in DOM

[gilded spindle]

This is not dom

[vivid ore]

true

[upbeat ridge]

well…

i gotta game the odds somehow

[short tartan]

with rc5 it's gonna be interesting cause people are gonna be forced to modify CG ships

[surreal pecan]

Will cg fully release before tourney?

[raven fern]

I don't think so or at least I'd be surprised if it was

[fast oracle]

it looks like we'll have RCs for weeks

[upbeat ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

balance in a nutshell

[short tartan]

@jagged flume just to confirm, RC6 will be used for the tournement?

[raven fern]

I believe he has already stated that the latest RC or full release will be used at the time the tournament begins

[short tartan]

oki

[gilded spindle]

Chainguns man...

They're cool but are so restricting

[surreal pecan]

They only really have one meta use.

Weird, as much as I love alphastrike I am very indifferent towards chainspam.

I still much prefer the less useful but leagues cooler railspam.

[fast oracle]

i don't have time to design chaingun ships :(

[young jacinth]

rip

[surreal pecan]

Sad.

Meanwhile I just started toying with them lol.

I think the ion ship idea will work much better if I make it with the chaingun angle lock feature.

[upbeat ridge]

follow the boost v trend i know you can do it

[fast oracle]

I'm not going to use an untested ship on a tourney xd

[upbeat ridge]

literally just play it youre gonna do numbers

[fast oracle]

nah

[forest cedar]

Im not gonna use anything new tbh, probably gonna lose to chaingun alpha spam but at least i’ll have fun playing the ships i choose

Bellerophon, Amaranthine Recusant, and Erebus are good enough for me

[raven fern]

Even if it means using prototypes we should try to use CGs. Part of the goal for this tournament is to see them in action in order to better balance them 😄

[fast oracle]

attack me with chainguns then

[desert sky]

i double checked everything and i'm home 50-60minute too late, sadly i won't partake this time

[sharp bane]

I have way too much homework over the weekend to participate, sorry

and good luck peeps

[hollow socket]

Everyone is dropping out by the looks of it

[young jacinth]

they never signed up

[gilded spindle]

I know for a fact I'm not going to let CG alpha have any airtime

sorry for ping

[surreal pecan]

I wonder why Gameknight hasn't signed up.

@wary frost Will you be playing?

Whoops wrong gameknight, sorry.

[wary frost]

Lmao

[surreal pecan]

@naive lion Will you be playing the tournament tomorrow?

[surreal pecan]

I'm sincerely sorry.

Mobile controls are terrible.

[void condor]

||"One must imagine Walt happy..."||

[vocal cloak]

oh how interesting 6/14 of the participants are newcomers

[naive lion]

Nah, too busy

[hollow socket]

more new blood is vital for this stuff

[short tartan]

gonna be fun to watch but unfortunately I cannot join

hopefully next month

[fast oracle]

i'm not sure if i'll be there tbh, i'm too busy :(

[surreal pecan]

Sad.

[lofty vigil]

How long do the tournaments usually last?

[sharp bane]

if it's one session, 3-5 hours

[hazy brook]

i might join if i can sign up now

[raven fern]

You can

[fast oracle]

17-18 people heh

well at least it's just one fight per couple

[desert sky]

oooo juni is contesting!!!

don't sleep on that one!!

[odd zealot]

oh wait

Tourney is today

[gilded spindle]

yes

[surreal pecan]

Let's round up the number to 16 🥺

Nevermind it's already 17 😆

[jagged flume]

+Air

[hollow socket]

When will we be getting the brackets

[gilded spindle]

When the check-in exists

..which it doesn't anymore

[upbeat ridge]

*yet

[upbeat ridge]

???

oh right you can call me that, forgot

[surreal pecan]

Huh

[gilded spindle]

juni is a new nickname

[upbeat ridge]

eh, not my first time