#Tournament Chat
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And then with the aforementioned 4AM comment I confirmed I made 4 builds. ^
I guess diagonal and nondiagonal nuke avoiders are different ship types but diag and nondiag 15K ships are far too similar in function to count.
you are on
Nice.
Time to make a blaster kite.
An EB ship is 200 credits short of being feasible 😔
that doesn't work bc bunk only has one door
oh wait just to show the cost
Yes.
300 credits, not 200
It was never a proper design to the start.
wait did you place a door already
Yeah right I underestimated a door, but it doesn't matter at all.
how did you spend 100
ANYWAYS GUYS DEFINITELY NOT LOW BUDGET GAMING HERE HERE'S MY BLASTER KITE! IT'S AN EXTREMELY ADVANCED AND POWERFUL DESIGN THAT NOTHING CAN BEAT!
how fast?
It ironically enough kites faster than most ion cruisers.
Exceeding 90
Honestly hilarious, blaster can dish out 8K damage before running out, which isn't even enough to kill the cannon.
So yeah the tank builld reigns supreme over the kiter build.
And that's not even mentioning the insane 200 credits worth of armor you can afford that sums up to whopping 2K extra hitpoints!
tank build
Cool but also imbalanced thrust.
imbalanced thrust SHimbalanced Thrust
A real tank would trade thrust for damage.
Yeah that's th eismilar thing I came up with lol.
Seriously even 50k would be better as there you can make some real thigs
paint better now
One hundredth the price, a hundred the spice!
Or something.
100th the price 100 times the vile
anyway now that i have made about every possible 15k i will be ready for a tournament
On a very unrelated note here's this steampunk bad boy.
this wasnt meant to sound good
Lmao me too.
wait we forgot pd
Architect level paint no cap
PD will suck anyways and I tried.
Mind if you see it?
if only you could fire one crew and sae it that way
I repaired it but forgor to restock resources.
If only.
But there's no way.
But just imagine, I could save 500 Credits! That's literally 1/30 the entire budget.
2/3 of which is spent on the cockpit 😔
@spring fable This is why PD build doesn't work 😔
I did paint it though.
It just theoretically can't work.
No way.
Unless you dodge/block all 16 shots with your pd and then somehow win the sumo game, which come to think about it is really smart.
RoD after that would win
Nevermind I miscalculated, PD can dish out precisely enough amount of shots to take down a cockpit.
but you would have to hit every shot
But does landing every single one of your shots from a weapon that fires 15 times a second seem viable to you... I couldn't even land all of them when both of them were sitting still!
It is theoretically possible but that's the word here, theoretically. It's theoretically possible to find the working cure for cancer in the Library of Babel, does it seem practically possible though? No, it absolutely doesn't.
At least as far as logic is concerned.
Oh whoopsie this is off topic my bad my bad.
Soooo 15K tournament.
Yeah you have to land 50 of the 50 shots.
You need to pull a literal 50/50 😩
Pardon could you move discussion to another channel than tournament chat
I love how you responded half an hour after we already moved the discussion to another channel than tournament chat.
🥸
tournament in 9 days
can we get announcement?
about time and gamemode of tournament
^
Also the typical tournament form and explanations on what kind of tournament it will be. Because the only thing we know right now is the date and the fact that it'll use the rebalance mod.
Also... Please elimination 🥺
rebalance mod isnt what we know, as dom tournament probably gonna be vannila
i think so
Hey you aren't even a paragon yet come back here 
Maybe there isn't a tournament this month
maybe, as 9 days isnt much for signing up
however saris already said it gonna be this month
maybe it'll just be at the end of the month
then it would have to be fully played in one day
lmao announcement has been posted
Saris
I think game rule should be changed, mostly people play with halfed amount of it
BOOM BABY
yes change settings pls
Consider the minimum was also increased, as was the map being small
You see, for better sake of spirit of competition, would you not want to also test a player's ability to adapt to different changes?
If you would make annoucememt quicker maybe yes, but now as we have 8days that isnt good idea in my opinion.
I dont know why you want this rules that much, maybe qawa told you something.
To play 1v1 very most of people use halfed rules of 2v2 tournament, thats like you would change elim tournamemt from 1.5m to 2m, 8 days before it - for spirit of competition.
Aww, it's domination again 😔
considering you want to use it as a benchmark to compare before and after for the mod its probably better to use more standard rules
More budget probably will put more focus on ships that are designed to live longer
It might make sense to have two seperate tournaments at this point
one for domination, one for elimination
Maybe more tournament hosts too
to be clear i had no idea what the next tournament was going to be at all, much less the ruleset
Fun fact Saris said that where will be 2 dom tournaments in exselsior.
Does it use the balance mod?
Saris was too afraid to break the mod balance and obliterate the entire tournament participants amount.
Instead we're getting 2 generic dom tourneys in a row and I'm sure this one will have the same finalists and same outcome.
Monkie + Tonie vs And and Cat.
Przyjem is a nice person to be around with. Why are you so mean to him?
lmao inside joke between me and nick
Oh alr. 🦞
Thats incorrect
I wasn't saying it in a serious manner though.
But balance mod does kinda break dom in a way?
I haven't played domination with it myself, but I've heard from a lot of dom experts that it will be breaking the balance of the mode.
We never had dom 1v1 tourney in modern which is the reason players wants just one vanilla. Also rebalance mod isnt well optimized for dom yet, so after seeing pure 1v1 in vanilla that gonna be easier to make
that rule.. you better be joking
theres 7 days till the tournament, yet there is no place to sign up for it, which will in someway reduce the player amount participating in the tournament, we need an august tournament sign up for the dom tournament as quickly as possible to ensure people can sign up, not last minute.
The settings also need to be changed, would be better if they were changed quickly, so players can actually prepare for the ones most of the domination community wants, the current ones used could be considered high cost dom, with 100k min. ship value, and a lot of starting credits, and income. I understand that these settings could be used to see how players behave on different settings, but we never had a 1v1 domination tournament, so it would be of great interest to the domination community if the current tournament had settings which are the ones used in the 2v2 tournaments, but cut in half :
2250000 max fleet value
350K starting credits
50k min ship value
1425 control point income
16250 basic income
Standard sized map
the settings may seem repetitive, and boring to watch, but in a 1v1 situation, tactics, and ships are a lot different, with a lot of new ship designs, archetypes, which normally wouldnt work in 2v2, this will show us interesting ways of how players fight in a 1v1, and how players will act when there isnt a teammate to rely on.
This will also satisfy the domination community, and let us reveal whos the true dominator.
We already had 2v2 domination tournaments, let us finish a 1v1 tournament the way that is wanted.
So please, if you can change the settings shown in the august domination document, do it whenever you can, so people will notice and prepare for the ones that majority of the domination community wants.
sounds like maybe a dom player should host a tournament rather than offloading it to saris
Saris is appreciated and well known in hosting. I dont think if anyone here would make it better. Thats not about having diffirent host, but just asking dom pillar community for game rules instead of making them by your own
btw will you participate? You are solid at dom, i saw your verbero 4dc
I hope to but my schedule isn't clear yet
Both have been 'fixed'
👀
this time can we bo3?
Elimination? At this point I'm too confused at will this be a dom tourney or not.
The type of tournament, not the game mode Nick 😉
Ohhhh lol I see.
Double elimination, right.
Why is it written that the tournament is a team tournament, isn't it 1 on 1?
It is 1 on 1 I've now revised it sorry
sadly I'll have to sit this one out I won't have a PC around that time
Sad to hear.
dont sudo rm -fr guys it's not worth deleteing the french submodule
Huh?
a lot of players in the tournament..
i have a question about elim tournament, can two ships have ebs?
If there isn't a rule about weapon restriction, then yes. Otherwise no
So August Tourney is Dom but Singel player, no teams this time?
correct
80% of dom community are not free at those days :agony:
gonna be one of the smallest tournaments
Why didn't you say anything
At any time
I've demonstrated willingness to conform to whatever desires and demands that you have, if there's relevant information why didn't you share it before the fact
It's at the exact same time as the last event too?
I didnt know about anything before i asked some dom players for tournament, very unfortuneatly most of them dont have time those days
As it seems tournament this month wont have much participants, i was thinking if playing it only at 26th wouldnt be better, that also might bring more players to it, as activity is needed only at one day.
Also we lost contact with yugi, he was the one that would bring a lot of chinesse players to tournament
@frank pecan ?
@jagged flume if there are only 4 players (assuming i join) will or can it be a single day tourney?
Yeah i also proposed that, as it would also bring more players to it
I just noticed the map type is small, it should be standard map size as mentioned before
it just better be changed in the document to avoid misunderstanding, it wont be a problem in preparations as most of the dom community plays on standard map sizes regularly
it is very hard to focus on multiple locations on the standard map as a player and as a host - so for tourney small fits well!
standard map allows more strategic and ship uses, making the game more fun to watch and play
Its also the most commonly used map size, so most players are used to playing on this setting, it isnt that hard
it also allows the losing player to have a higher chance of winning after losing a few control points, and overall makes the game more fun and balanced
large map is hard to focus, not standard
||i want big map : (||
that proves small is definitly too small
the smaller the easier to focus
exactly, there is nearly no tactical aspect at small map
doesnt matter, everyone is used to playing on standard maps, it makes the game actually fun, and allows for more tactics and ships to be used
i love the big career maps - but for pvp and toruney small is good imho
thats the opinion of you and very small amount of dom players, almost everyone plays and prefer standard one
standard map overall allows for more fun, and actual tactics to be used
it also allows for more mistakes, losing one of your control points doesnt mean losing the game
but standard map only 5point
yeah, which is enough, less makes the game less fun, and everything i mentioned before.
A large map makes the game less balanced, as having a control point advantage means winning the game due to the income you are getting, and results in more spam
we have two opinions here... Hansel prefer large, Luke prefer small, it proves standard is the one that should be the common of tournament one to make both of you want to play it
also the early and late stages of it will most likely be drone fighting drone, which is not fun to play or watch
is low error rate and it not bo3
making a mistake in a large map would have big consequences, as your income is lowered a big amount, and your opponents income is greatly increased, which means if you get a control point advantage early on, you basically have a win guaranteed
instead of bo3 we can have a losers bracket, an bo3 will be played in the finals
in large map you can eazy to take the point
which means its also easy to get a point advantage and make more mistakes
in a standard map, the points are usually distanced, which gives them more strategical value, and overall allows for more strategies used in the tournament
standard still would be better as theres no point for there to be a third team, there are 2 points which are neutral
i konw
standard is just better, most domination players are used to playing in these conditions, and it wont only be spamming to try and take other points over
on 3 teams, this would be a race on who can conquer the 2 neutral points, which would still result in spam
but standard only spamming too
no, there are only 2 points you have to defend
you can actually play standard without spamming, and using actually organized ships
do you have seen the other ship?
which ship
can you specify its armament
and what do you think is its cost
what does it have to do with standard
can i use chinese ..?
people who make the rules should not be allowed to play the tourney imo
you are just all favoring yourself with your own best playstyle
standard is literally standard, its the most commonly used map size, the current settings of the tournament are all whole, approved by the dom community, they were used in the past 2 tournaments, but are just cut in half
When they're also the only ones that actually play and have knowledge about it, they kind of have to now don't they?
在我看过的标准地图里 只有100-150K LC 和 DC 要么是只有这些船适应这个规则 要么是人们根本没有其他船
then shall they become the host and don't play, so everything is fair for everyone IMO
theres no favoring, its about actually having fun from playing the game
这些可以用更高质量的船只来应对,或者可能是电磁脉冲
a small map would actually favor me, and i still would rather to play on a standard map because its actually fun and allows for more strategy used in the tournament
Well, if there were more players that could be a valid point
但所有人继续 spamming LC 和 DC
尽管如此,我相信如果你制造一艘高质量的船,比如说一艘 4dc 可能支持 6LC,它可以获得积极的成本交易并与敌人陷入僵局
你总是可以尝试这些船只,制造你正在谈论的那艘,并尝试制定适当的策略来对抗它
For the sake of including everyone here. Please speak in english.
we can move it to dms
^
我尝试过了
imo it 'could be valid' aslong there more than 2 players (so one of them can afford not playing)
and i don't see why the hell it can't applies here
Only 6 players have signed up for the tournament, including them.
Makes for a rather short tournament already
I don't think I'll make it to this one, scheduling conflicts
the settings are not in favor of anyone... they are made to guarantee fun from playing and watching
there is a cashprice remember
Better to be short, then there isn't a prolonging to the weekend following where potential schedule conflicts could intervene
imo a tourney (with cashprice) should be fair more than anything else
Fair would be 200000 base income, wouldn't you agree?
this tournament is fair, as i already mentioned, standard. not in favor of anyone. settings that were used in the past 2 tournaments so pretty much everyone uses them, and knows how they work
these settings were already used for casual 1v1's before even knowing a 1v1 domination tournament would occur
its almost an unspoken rule that these are regular and liked settings
Same
Anything tournament related goes in this chat
If you think you hold any crap towards the sheer awfulness of me and emperor tera you'd be dead wrong.
There is no one worse at domination than me
And I'll fight and lose the fight to prove it
😆
May the worst player... lose?
^
Omg we should do a loser tournament some time
loser in a match moves on
only one rule: "no playing seriously"
me boutta pull out with the most serious ship and sleep on the matches to get tourney clout
Very easy to rig.
A ship with explosive charges around its only cockpit.
Boom
(Literally boom)
I mean the person who is the winner of the losing tournament
Ahhhhhh
So winning is disencouraged?
Oh oh wait I think I got your idea.
AAAA
So smart.
I'd play that.
it would be pretty funny, like entering a truth or dare game
everyone agrees to the possibility of having something bad happen if they are the last person standing, and evetyone tries not to end up being that person
So the objective is to win so you lose in the tournament so you don't get punished.
It's so complecated yet funny.
If you lose, you win, but if you win, you lose because you get punished.
What would the punishement be though?
Fighting against TB ion?
😆
uhh idk, muted on discord for 24 hours?
Noooooooo
sentenced to death by quiximo
and the one that finish 2nd get the @true loser discord role
Now that is a title to lose for
ugh
there is probability i wont be able to play tournament 19th, can i start from lower bracket week later?
thats question to saris mostly
the only way for me to play 19th, is to delay my fight as much as possible by making my match the last in section of bracket
@jagged flume ^
im very sorry for complication
.
This would make the tournament more enjoyable, last a bit longer considering the amount of players and be fun to watch, play
Yeah shouls be only 26th
4 me it should be only tomorrow 19th (can go 26th too but not easy)
26th = more poeple as more time to sign up
maybe two dates for one tourney of somthing this scale are too much - should be two seperate tourneys?
That argument is invalid becasue then you had to delay it further and further until enough ppl are there.
Just one tourney this month on 26th
SIngle day only but with max participants limit of maybe 16. FIrst come first serve.
disagree because personally i like tomorrow better
- actually do not care on wich date but not splitting the tourney on two days could help, because some ppl might not join because it is two days and not one.
the decision for this one is made i guess so it is two days - and i joined, trying my best to be there on 26th.
there is a chance i may have to dnf, hopefully i dont need to
Well wait, is the tournament happening tomorrow or the 26th?
Both
Damn, well I can't be here tomorrow
As always
Yep
so why the rule is high starting credits
it isnt??? these rules were used in the past 2 tournaments
i konw but why
why setting high starting credits
they arent high
not low or just 0
why would it be 0
they are used all the time
regular settings, literally everyone uses those starting credits in the price range
is it because you play on only 100k starting credits?
no minimum ship value and a large map
wouldnt that result in spam the whole game
unlike a 350k starting credits game in which you can buy actually organized ships, and a standard map
because they are good
i explained
yeah chinese players, which copy your ships, your ships are made for spam, for the settings of yours i mentioned
it for faster for end game?
and a lot of other dom players think these settings I mentioned think 350k starting credits settings are good
not all..
it grants for a more fun game, more strategical thinking rather than brainless spam
most, atleast i dont think i met a chinese player that didnt copy one of your ships
there are ones that usually aim for original designs, but they have atleast one ship copied
roship and AnD
even yugi
they dont copy?
AnD isnt playing dom lately, from what i have heard, rosehip has one of your drone ships, and yugi has tons of ships resembling yours, variations or just painted versions of your ships
yeah, which means they use the same ships as you, ones that are made for 100k starting credits
they are mainly made for lower credits settings, 25k drones, etc.
and yugi usd DC not my cannon ship
high control point income, large map, which all means spam is the only reasonable strategy, which isnt fun
so why do they complain about these settings, as i already mentioned a lot of dom players think that the CURRENT settings are good
AnD's ships make by he self
I said AnD doesnt copy ships, but he isnt playing dom anymore, from what yugi told us
and yugi does have your ships, or your ideas in his domination pack
?
domination ship pack
does it matter?
it doesnt, we were talking about the settings
i believe (and most of the domination community) that the current settings used are good, just increasing the map size to standard would be more fun
as there are more points, so there are more strategical value to each of them, and they allow for the losing player to have a chance, even at a point disadvantage
overall, it makes the game more fun to watch, and play, since playing on a small map will be just click ship right click with no thinking,a standard map will solve that
🤨
I dont think so
well i konw the problem
btw it no malicious
alright
🥳
whatever
It's been revised to the 26th only due to low player count (I'm not a fan of hosting a <16 player event) so do sign up again
Oh ok, awesome
Hopefully that'll let more players sign up, and give more time to prepare
Good for you then, as some players already declared they gonna participate after moving it only on 26th
@umbral bison the tourney tomorrow is at 2pm UTC (not 4pm UTC) like stated in your sign up
there's no tourney tomorrow tho?
Yes no tournamen tomorrow
isn't UTC hour for France ? i tried searching what it was...
but yes 16h for france
UTC is for the UK
UTC+1 is france
f
what about tournawomen 😔
just realised he said no toorney tomorrow
UTC+1 (also known as CET) is only used in winter
for summer it's UTC+2 (CEST)
Right, I forget about daylight savings sometimes
still it is UTC 2pm and NOT UTC 4pm
you have to check yourself what timezone you are in - wich you might have done already
tourney tiemstamp wich should automatically adjust to your tiemzone: <t:1692453600:t>
BUT this
@jagged flume i redraw my signup - might signup next week again.
as we can see not a lot of players LIKE a small map, was mentioned a few times before but ill mention it again, can we PLEASE have the map size changed to standard??? its a lot more fun to play, and its literallly means standard, which can be perceived as normal settings. They are liked in the domination community and are commonly used in casual lobbies, which means most players are used to a standard map, a small map would result in no strategical value of points, and losing a single point would ultimately mean... Defeat, which is not only not fun, its not friendly for new, or adept players.
I have to wonder why I'm even hosting an event if you guys play the exact same games on the exact same settings. I'll change it accordingly but frankly I'm confused as to the point at all.
I really ought just do elimination since games for that mode don't exist outside of tournaments and the hype leading up to them, whereis domination is consistently active
so why you hosting elim tournaments with 1.5m, if people play the exact same games on the exact same settings?
Because as I literally just said, it helps keep the scene alive. Elimination is on life support in comparison, and tournaments bring boosts in activity that otherwise wouldn't exist
Not to mention there's the whole balance mod thing that you may have heard of that I'm wanting to try out
Elimination is literally the most popular gamemode, in the last, 2 weeks domination only is played more than usual is because people are preparing for the tournament, or the fact that a lot of old domination players want to bring domination back to its great life,
but theres no way domination is more popular than elim, it isnt on life support, domination is.
And i already mentioned in countless paragraphs why we want these settings... why they might seem repetitive... which ultimately just states these settings are good.
if domination is repetitive over settings, so is also elimination...
But the good news is that we finally settled on the tournament settings, we will see who the real best domination player is, this saturday.
2.5m elimination tournament?
I will eat burgers during the finals so you gonna win
ironic, im also ordering a bit of nuggets during the tournament
mcdonalds or burger king
good idea
and then the tournament dissolved into a muckbang
yes
a s m r
makdonald hehe
papas burgeria
papas pizzeria
@jagged flume could me and przyjem perhaps be on the opposite sides of the bracket in the current tournament, as we are previous tournament winners?
Already planned
Map must be changed to standard. Small map ruin tactical aspect in dom, and mostly capturing alpha point guarante win.
Besides that, there is income aspect, small map have lower income, as some players have strategies and ships fully calculated for income of standard map, even minor change in income force them to edit their ships.
I changed it
Bracket thus far
I can't wait for more than one additional person to sign up heh heh heh
nah just wait for two more people to sign up
cats fight?
meow~
Hansel Car vs Space Car
first round and im put against tonie 😭
vochi had the same, wanted to join tourney however saw he would be against me 😀
tbh i dont think the bracket should be put up till its full, as itll just make people not want to join if the only open spot is against someone whos relatively capable
true
however Ketcha joined, who is capable of beating me, with elim seed system i would say he is 3 or 4
It's only 'full' for sure on the day of, and people always complain about not having a bracket four hours ago I can't win 😭
you are fine, just for future making bracket slighty later would be better i think
Having it after check-in is when I expect the bracket normally
Is there a lower bracket in this tournament
plot twist: miguel is goge
playing cosmoteer for 20 hours
I made a decision to not take part even before the bracet.
@jagged flume so only the map size is changed ? no other changes in income or what ?
No other changes, just the map size is changed from
Small >>> Standard
fine by me
and by everyone
I think large is better
negative, would rely on a lot of drone ships and overall means more spam
standard is called standard for a reason
Set minimum ship price to 100k, less spam then
but this would make 4lc, waste ships obsolete,
Im saying a large map is bad because its less about strategical aspect, its more about capturing points as fast as possible early on
the settings are already decided anyways
have i ever beaten you - or do i simply stand no chance?
@bright anchor PLZ yoin tourney we want to see your inimitable and ingenious DOM-Play!
100% true
artem thinks he have no chance
when he is one of best ones for sure
@bright anchor
he is just wasting ppl with his "flipover" kites in 2x speed lol
exactly
typical pianist stands no chance
im pretty sure Artem is currently one of the best domination players, he mastered the playstyle of playing kiters, and could be called an expert in meta ship building, not to mention he is one of the best movement players in dom.
If @bright anchor signed up, its likely that he would be on the podium.
not really the best way to motivate new players in the tournament
trying to motivate artem not pianist
but you also demoralize typical pianist in the process, i think not mentioning anyone and commending artem alone is better
i think pianist (whos discord nickname i forgot) is motivated enough - and is also a top player ofc.
let me tall you,Waste Ship+ Autoram bump you are pro now
but i never use Autoram
does one have to use the same setup throughout the tournament?
Nope
Obviously manuall is better
And i dont have to say waste ships are even worse now than in July
It was good only about march / april where whole dom commjnity was much worse
what are you talking about
About facts
and facts is Waste Ship Autoram can help you to win
and why you use that
i use it as deafult
like, direct control?
but during match mostly making it manually
no
ok ok
i presume you just have the default attack setting and then set it yourself?
*mid game
yes, thats what i said
aight
autoram ?
@jagged flume regrettably, I won't be able to make it in time for the tournament tomorrow
I concede my match against zeldef
Kurwa
then non waste ships (called drone in the old days) with reactor rammers are worse - you cannot emp them
drone and waste is something diffirent
drone for me is movable cr to cap points, sometimes with addition of one small cannon
however it dont exist now as people started playing with min.limit
which is good
exactly
"Drone" is just a ship without reactor - usually with battery storage.
sometime, a project to standardize terminology around archetypes would be interesting
It's been tried but typically everyone disagrees and defends counterintuitive nonsense terms
as expected(
as expected/
I think even just the effort is worth something though
it's impossible to make everyone agree on everything
but if a majority can agree to a majority, that's a lot of progress
lets build a reactor drone 😛
By all acounts, however, a barge is a completely nonsensical term when referring to a military vessel
A barge is a logistical device for the exclusive purpose of carrying and ferrying cargo
barge is longer then wide i guess
that's true, but that makes it a unique term for cosmoteer, no?
I think it's pretty neat when words get repurposed like that
See, we already disagree on the first term I introduced. I think that the names should be intuitive, applicable, and make sense for them to be more easily understood by new players
...sooo tall ion rammer are barges?/j
You think it's cool and unique. It is, to a degree, but that doesn't warrant keeping it
well, that's a reasonable request
I believe terms should accurately represent the playerbase
so I'm more lenient on real world parallelles in favor of conserving existing terms
if everyone understands what you mean your terminology is all good
I agree with this
I think it's a lot harder to design intuitive terminology than clear terminology though
we can all agree of what a barge is when used as a cosmoteer term (to reasonable degree)
but it's hard to find a new name that would immediatly make one think of a barge in cosmoteer
What the hell is a trap
A traps, even
Orbiters don't orbit
I absolutely despise the term squib
I've offered to actually do this sort of thing myself but no one ever agrees with me that these terms need revising
not one but two ships or a spllitter theat becomes two ships - so technically the singular does not exist. 🙃
So a single 750k ship is a traps?
I do agree with you for the most part
but everyone knows or knew what is was meant
Not any of the new players
"squib" has only one meaning to me, so I don't mind it
but the other names are misleading
no it cannot be a trap - needs another ship then they are traps
i'm just trying to make matters more complicated then they already are
You may or may not have noticed but the community has been hemorrhaging competitive players and retaining new players is already difficult, so assisting them with easy to understanding, intuitive terms is infinitely more important than "uh we all know the terms so nothing wrong there"
I don't entirely agree with that
I see why intuitive terms are important
but it's next to impossible to force new terms instead of old ones
How defeatist of you
perhaps, but maybe the previous attempts failed because they were too ambitious?
funny enough that there was hardly any problem to describe ships when "voting out" in toruney.
my goal is simply to clear up the terminology to make it as clear as possible
Because it was exclusively competitive players that took advantage of the system?
so that as many people as possible can agree to as concise terms as possible
probably
or like i never got what's the differance betwen an orbiter or a rammer
If you have to explain what a term is every time it comes up its no longer concise 😛
i love the word "vessel" - noone ever uses it 🙂
that's what would happen if we switched to new terms
It's what happens for new players right now
do you have a proposed term for barge that would be immidiatly intuitive for a new player?
And of course it's unavoidable, avoiders despite being simple and intuitive aren't clear, but they're still easier to understand and retroactively make more sense to someone joining the game than barge
the term seems to already have evolved and it create such a mess :agony:
Yes, cruiser. A ship that can go forward and backwards at high speeds
'Cruise' if you will
in my mind, most terms are too narrow to be intuitive
Because that's all that barge ever meant here
either that or they are too broad to be useful
"cruiser" was always just used for everyhting that was big - afaik
when I think of a barge, I think of a missile ship with a very distinct shape
Because you've been here a while
I digress; as this has demonstrated getting everyone to agree on terms unanimously won't occur
Hence nothing occurs
that's a defeatist sentiment(
I plan to make a video where I establish the terms regardless of outside opinion since I have conviction that it is the right way to approach the problem
I see
Bullheaded, brash, stupid, potentially destructive more than helpful, but I'm absolutely going to be doing something about it
well, I do hope that it'll do more good than harm
I was considering a document based on voting
but my goal never was to reinvent the system
A good approach but the majorities won't be clear cut, and won't account for new player necessities
If you make a google questionnaire I'll put it in #tournament-announcements though
I appreciate that(
I think I'd need to collect a lot of different opinions from different players though
otherwise it's hard to make a good one
I appreciate our discussion, it's good to have different angles on the topic
thanks for your time(
Barge and Missiles is not connected directly - there have been cannon barges but they where not so good. I should build one with deck cannons for career ...
torrnament today
for my pov on competitive terms, it wasn't ever a problem I noticed when learning the game. What was a problem at the time was the accessibility and extent of concise and accurate guides for competitive ship building, but that has improved drastically since.
and I am still of the maybe contrarian opinion that zingy almost-onomatopoeic words like 'squib' that invoke a clear image of a small annoying pest are better than specialist navy vocabulary which I still can't remember all of the designations for despite having had it explained to me.
wrt barge, I think it's not a great but also not a terrible name, it does at least communicate the shape of the ship like how wall communicates the shape of a wall ship.
also I think as the meta changes and old archetypes return, people kinda want new names to make the game feel fresh even if they are redundant. Maybe even on a subconscious level. And being part of a new generation of players and calling yout stuff differently might be a way to stand out.
ok confirm that new players don't know what barge means: #ships message
ill probably stop using some terms, using more commonly understandable ones
How players call barge now? lol
i call my missile ships "carrier" now
wtf
Barge always gonna be barge
Like eb is eb, not fucking disruptor lol
EB is the acronym for Disruptor - explain that to noob 🤦
Sorry lmao
this tournament gonna be shit
Vacation just taking too long :-:
Hmmm... regarding terms
Barge just makes me think of big ass missile carrier
Armored DC ship is just a brick
Ion cruiser as ion rammer
Uhhhh the term orbiter is super sketchy tho
Wall is... Wall xd
Orbiter is the easiest term. A ship with all forward thrust
Ion cruisers are different from ion rammers. They can kite and ram, unlike rammers that only ram
cruiser is a neat term
just between rammer and kite
all three terms refer to playstyles though
which I believe "orbiter" did too initially
are my former barges cruisers? - they can do differnt maneuvers, tho not so much real kiting.
Barge is barge
I think there is an important distinction between playstyle archetypes and ship archetypes
Ye
a squib refers to a very specific meta design
i think when new names for old archetypes are created both words will stay and be valid ...
I have understood barges the same way
but it's been a long time since I last used the term
especially considering that I'm a dom player
also classic 1.5 mil barges with flak are hardly built anymore - even i do not have one in the pipeline - my last one is perfect 😉
Playstyle and ship design are absolutely integral to another :agony:
of course
I'll respond more in half an hour
In ideal competitive circumstances where a player is trying their hardest to win, then certain ships are played in exclusive styles. A TB rail flips, an avoider avoids. These ships are furthermore tuned for these specific playstyles since that's where they're at their strongest. Trying to create a distinction between ship and playstyle doesn't make sense, because they are melded completely and utterly
I definetly agree that ships lend themselves to certain playstyles, but I don't believe ships can be defined by a single playstyle. Every meta ship can perform a variety of tasks, (generally specializing in only one). For example a monothrust lc wall might ram in one matchup, while orbiting or poking in the next. This sets it apart from a slow DC ship that can only ram or pray the opponent messes up, even though they are both "rammers".
I believe the distinction between playstyle and ship is like that of the distinction between a verb and a noun
a dog may bark, but calling it a "barker" forgets that it might also bite
now, I am not advocating for renaming ship that have been named based on their actions like "railfans", "avoiders" and "kites". These ships are the very essence of their respective playstyles and thus the names have come naturally to them. I just believe that there are more archetypes than playstyles, and that this inevitably leads to naming which only holds meaning in the context of the specific ship.
i think the point where the line is muddied is in cases like monothrust ion ships having aimable prisms and detachable armour, because it performs different functions with the armour on/off
lol
I am very glad that Hanselcat is taking a critical approach to its past game tactics.
oh shiet
Hansel from pioner in cannom gameplay turned to criticing every playstyle he lost to
hm eh
To be fair, he won, but it's funny to hear from him like that.
whats happening with the fact that 2 people have left the tourney?
@unkempt gulch "you got fun for this?"
I doubt if there is fun in any strategy on competitive level, as the most efficient are usually raw stuff.. i would say fun on competitive level is more for having instense good matches even with raw stuff rather than playing "fun" ships that got fucked at the beggining
whats their new tactics
i'm intrested i hate cannons spam
cannon spam
no time i guess
3 people left....
Name, Nhvoah and Kine, very bad for tournament show
As those was players that present something
will tehre be astroids in the tournament
And thats the good thing in the game anyway, even if some people dont like it, it improves tactical aspect
just reposting this
i gues my first fight is against @errant forge
which i think i never won against soooo

I fight against ketcha first i think
Why so
ah ok
idk, it's what i remember
so i'm just gonna be a telespectator for the first rounds
if there is a lower bracket you might beat people there instead
so is the torueny starting soon?
Also maybe saris will change bracket a bit, as a lot of people resigned
right
Saris do be sleepin...
Saris sleeping
saris wake up
Chilll... we have time
saris rn 👉 🛌
yeah let him rest
hes not resting in peace on my watch

MARSZ MARSZ DĄBROWSKI
ZŁĄCZYM SIE Z NARODEM
MARSZ MARSZ dąbrowski
polski invasion
PRZEJDZIEM WISŁĘ, PRZJDZIEM WARTĘ
BĘDZIEM POLAKAMI
DAŁ NAM PRZYKŁAD BONAPARTE
JAK ZWYCIĘŻAĆ MAMY
watching crimes scenes
alright bro
Just why.
killing time
so saris still away
are you guys ready for the tournament?
yup
Ready
brazil 4000 will dominate
im a bit worried about miguel ngl
I haven't played Cosmoteer for a while now tho
saw him playing cosmoteer for 20 hours
ready and im shitting a brick
Damn
i leaved it on
playing cosmoteer for 20 hours is a gog thing to do
i did like 20 versions for brazil 4000
In announcements yes
ok
the stress is getting out of hands
how long till it actually starts as ive seen like several different times
@dry otter
helo
just now that i saw that now the little humans bild now
@jagged flume ?
chill, he gonna be in 30min i hope
muahahahahha
thats gog
what happens if hes the late one lmao
UK dominate
does he count as a forfeit
lets see about that
🇬🇧
im sorry hollow, but polska gurom
🇧🇷
Polska gurom after second round
Nah thats all me and c108
the snake will smoke
thats fucking gog, brazil have diffirent timezone than him
wooo countries, such real things
ah yeah
portugal nice country, been there multiple time visiting portugal family
Y O U A L L A R E G O I N G T O B R A Z I L
🇧🇷
i like you
you are not going to brazil
can i chose my enemy? i realy want to fight hollowan
now
Uh ok
20 min i think
but saris sleeps
should we @ him in ten minutes?
Saris: wakes up
Discord: 100 pings
Checks are pointless and people regularly disappeared after the fact
hi Saris
That reminds me of when I hopped onto discord and I had 182 pings
Good point
my computer is almost diying i have to play whit the charger on
How was sleep?
We should remain speaking english please
giving up?
oque que se disse?

What do you mean 'giving up'
we was only saying polish anthem 🥸
That's just strange
Patriotism isn't for world wide communities thanks 🙂
whats the first fight gonna be, saris?
we all agreed to checkin, now we do not have to ... feels like surrendering
bro im gona sing the entire national anthem of brazil
OUVIRA DO IMPIRANGA AS MARGENS PLACIDAS
DE UM POVO EROICO UM BRADO RETUMBANTE
no thanks
ok sorry
ty <3
Not 'we all' it was a an established practice that I determined to be not worth the effort
its time
brazil 4000 will show what *patria * means
im telling you guys
the snake will smoke
"dies on first round"
Also you're still welcome to check in, you don't need me to change the name if you still want to 💀
Anyone
?
on your mark saris
do i just checkin myself then
how do i get checked?
u tell saris prob
polska gurom
Name ain't participating
im ok whit it
He gets a pass since there's fourteen players and because he won the previous event
Thirteen players, I guess
cant you match the players without opponents?
Please go to google and look up 13 player bracket and see how unpleasant it looks
im fine with it
confusion 200
Short answer is no
players without opponents wait the others to finish first fights ?
fine by me
Thanks for telling me Name isn't present, this will be the functional bracket. The password is cyan
saris, is there lower bracket after it?
in what server?
I settled for best 2/3 rather than a double elimination. Isn't that what was desired
as long as you dont lag is it ok to spectate the game?
2/3 what
Best two out of three means players fight until one of them wins twice
Hmm. the more the merrier
it's a no, since you can watch the live on youtube
aight
its just last tourney there was like 4 people in the lobby
means less waiting for your turn, so i think its good
@still cairn and @junior patrol are up first. Other players can view the tournament through the stream I posted in #tournament-announcements
fiiirst
we are fine
You should probably get your glasses checked
very good point
@jagged flume cant hear you
sorry
@jagged flume i think we dont hear you
in the live
well i heard him for a moment
fine now
audio hardly works - no ingame sounds and only few single words coming through
i though it was a 1v1
@jagged flume your mic is having issues
yeah
@dry otter and @young jacinth
you guys paint job is so good im bad at it ;-;
🎙️ mic not working - sounds like an over sensitive noise gate that cancels the voice itself @jagged flume
he's aware i heared
if i want only fun for me i will spam nuke waste ship
turning off noise suppression or a similar option might help @jagged flume
it's fixed
do i need a small ship?
you will need that
but i dont have one
muted becaseu only some syllables coming through 🔇
i didin't build one
i can play elim with you in dom tournament
value?
Whose ship is that cannon thing that's the thumbnail of the tournament? It looks sweet (And yes I do understand the paint is Saris').
hansel car
Nice shipe he's got.
Then build one lol
PRICE???
87k
OK
i see miguel and i feel better
@jagged flume Shouldn't you rename the lobby to August domination tournament or something similar?
Thanks
...Or August pvp tournament.
I found this ugly thing
@vivid ore vs @umbral bison
This kind of bracket can be adapted to sport any amount of members right?
Yea, this is a 13 seed bracket
tourname
gl hf
here
I would think just saying "they are" would be easier than "he/she is"
non binary better
👀
ooohhh seems like dom meta have evolved!! there less cannons spam and alittle more missiles and lasers
i think armour is becoming an actual thing now
where as it used to be either put a bit to cover your cr and kill the enemy faster, shields, or manueverability
armor has been a thing for a while with dc ships

