#Tournament Chat

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surreal pecan
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Diags don't count.

spring fable
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i think they count

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but i guess thats an opinion

surreal pecan
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And then with the aforementioned 4AM comment I confirmed I made 4 builds. ^

surreal pecan
# spring fable i think they count

I guess diagonal and nondiagonal nuke avoiders are different ship types but diag and nondiag 15K ships are far too similar in function to count.

spring fable
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you are on

surreal pecan
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Nice.

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Time to make a blaster kite.

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An EB ship is 200 credits short of being feasible 😔

serene latch
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oh wait just to show the cost

surreal pecan
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Yes.

serene latch
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300 credits, not 200

surreal pecan
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It was never a proper design to the start.

serene latch
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wait did you place a door already

surreal pecan
serene latch
surreal pecan
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ANYWAYS GUYS DEFINITELY NOT LOW BUDGET GAMING HERE HERE'S MY BLASTER KITE! IT'S AN EXTREMELY ADVANCED AND POWERFUL DESIGN THAT NOTHING CAN BEAT!

spring fable
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how fast?

surreal pecan
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It ironically enough kites faster than most ion cruisers.

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Exceeding 90

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Honestly hilarious, blaster can dish out 8K damage before running out, which isn't even enough to kill the cannon.

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So yeah the tank builld reigns supreme over the kiter build.

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And that's not even mentioning the insane 200 credits worth of armor you can afford that sums up to whopping 2K extra hitpoints!

spring fable
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tank build

surreal pecan
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Cool but also imbalanced thrust.

spring fable
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imbalanced thrust SHimbalanced Thrust

surreal pecan
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A real tank would trade thrust for damage.

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Yeah that's th eismilar thing I came up with lol.

errant forge
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Seriously even 50k would be better as there you can make some real thigs

surreal pecan
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I am determined to see a 15K tournament exist.

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I even think of a slogan!

spring fable
surreal pecan
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One hundredth the price, a hundred the spice!

Or something.

spring fable
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100th the price 100 times the vile

surreal pecan
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Hmm.

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100 times the spice sounds better.

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Price and spice rhyme.

spring fable
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anyway now that i have made about every possible 15k i will be ready for a tournament

surreal pecan
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On a very unrelated note here's this steampunk bad boy.

spring fable
spring fable
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wait we forgot pd

surreal pecan
surreal pecan
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Mind if you see it?

spring fable
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no

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wait

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yes

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?

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show me

surreal pecan
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Feast your eyeballs.

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It unpowered after epic testing against another 15k

spring fable
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if only you could fire one crew and sae it that way

surreal pecan
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I repaired it but forgor to restock resources.

surreal pecan
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But there's no way.

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But just imagine, I could save 500 Credits! That's literally 1/30 the entire budget.

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2/3 of which is spent on the cockpit 😔

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@spring fable This is why PD build doesn't work 😔

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I did paint it though.

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It just theoretically can't work.

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No way.

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Unless you dodge/block all 16 shots with your pd and then somehow win the sumo game, which come to think about it is really smart.

spring fable
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RoD after that would win

surreal pecan
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Nevermind I miscalculated, PD can dish out precisely enough amount of shots to take down a cockpit.

spring fable
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but you would have to hit every shot

surreal pecan
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But does landing every single one of your shots from a weapon that fires 15 times a second seem viable to you... I couldn't even land all of them when both of them were sitting still!

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It is theoretically possible but that's the word here, theoretically. It's theoretically possible to find the working cure for cancer in the Library of Babel, does it seem practically possible though? No, it absolutely doesn't.

At least as far as logic is concerned.

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Oh whoopsie this is off topic my bad my bad.

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Soooo 15K tournament.

surreal pecan
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You need to pull a literal 50/50 😩

errant forge
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Pardon could you move discussion to another channel than tournament chat

surreal pecan
errant forge
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🥸

errant forge
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tournament in 9 days

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can we get announcement?

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about time and gamemode of tournament

surreal pecan
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^

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Also the typical tournament form and explanations on what kind of tournament it will be. Because the only thing we know right now is the date and the fact that it'll use the rebalance mod.

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Also... Please elimination 🥺

serene latch
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#1124047012279631892 message well i might not be able to participate..

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lmao

errant forge
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i think so

surreal pecan
raven fern
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Maybe there isn't a tournament this month

surreal pecan
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Dramatic beat drop

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There was no tournament all along.

errant forge
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however saris already said it gonna be this month

spring fable
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maybe it'll just be at the end of the month

errant forge
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then it would have to be fully played in one day

serene latch
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lmao announcement has been posted

errant forge
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Saris

jagged flume
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Yes darling

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It's the settings isn't it

errant forge
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I think game rule should be changed, mostly people play with halfed amount of it

jagged flume
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BOOM BABY

inland lagoon
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yes change settings pls

jagged flume
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Consider the minimum was also increased, as was the map being small

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You see, for better sake of spirit of competition, would you not want to also test a player's ability to adapt to different changes?

errant forge
surreal pecan
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Aww, it's domination again 😔

vocal cloak
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considering you want to use it as a benchmark to compare before and after for the mod its probably better to use more standard rules

hollow socket
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More budget probably will put more focus on ships that are designed to live longer

gilded spindle
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It might make sense to have two seperate tournaments at this point

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one for domination, one for elimination

hollow socket
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Maybe more tournament hosts too

serene latch
odd zealot
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Fun fact Saris said that where will be 2 dom tournaments in exselsior.

surreal pecan
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Does it use the balance mod?

vocal cloak
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this dom tourney is not

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doesnt seem like the mod is mentioned anywhere

surreal pecan
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Saris was too afraid to break the mod balance and obliterate the entire tournament participants amount.

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Instead we're getting 2 generic dom tourneys in a row and I'm sure this one will have the same finalists and same outcome.

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Monkie + Tonie vs And and Cat.

odd zealot
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Przyjem is a nice person to be around with. Why are you so mean to him?

errant forge
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lmao inside joke between me and nick

odd zealot
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Oh alr. 🦞

surreal pecan
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I wasn't saying it in a serious manner though.

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But balance mod does kinda break dom in a way?

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I haven't played domination with it myself, but I've heard from a lot of dom experts that it will be breaking the balance of the mode.

errant forge
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We never had dom 1v1 tourney in modern which is the reason players wants just one vanilla. Also rebalance mod isnt well optimized for dom yet, so after seeing pure 1v1 in vanilla that gonna be easier to make

unkempt gulch
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that rule.. you better be joking

inland lagoon
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theres 7 days till the tournament, yet there is no place to sign up for it, which will in someway reduce the player amount participating in the tournament, we need an august tournament sign up for the dom tournament as quickly as possible to ensure people can sign up, not last minute.

The settings also need to be changed, would be better if they were changed quickly, so players can actually prepare for the ones most of the domination community wants, the current ones used could be considered high cost dom, with 100k min. ship value, and a lot of starting credits, and income. I understand that these settings could be used to see how players behave on different settings, but we never had a 1v1 domination tournament, so it would be of great interest to the domination community if the current tournament had settings which are the ones used in the 2v2 tournaments, but cut in half :

2250000 max fleet value

350K starting credits

50k min ship value

1425 control point income

16250 basic income

Standard sized map

the settings may seem repetitive, and boring to watch, but in a 1v1 situation, tactics, and ships are a lot different, with a lot of new ship designs, archetypes, which normally wouldnt work in 2v2, this will show us interesting ways of how players fight in a 1v1, and how players will act when there isnt a teammate to rely on.
This will also satisfy the domination community, and let us reveal whos the true dominator.

We already had 2v2 domination tournaments, let us finish a 1v1 tournament the way that is wanted.

So please, if you can change the settings shown in the august domination document, do it whenever you can, so people will notice and prepare for the ones that majority of the domination community wants.

trim kestrel
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sounds like maybe a dom player should host a tournament rather than offloading it to saris

errant forge
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Saris is appreciated and well known in hosting. I dont think if anyone here would make it better. Thats not about having diffirent host, but just asking dom pillar community for game rules instead of making them by your own

errant forge
trim kestrel
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I hope to but my schedule isn't clear yet

hollow socket
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I might be in this tournament

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I don't mind these rules, I think they're fine

jagged flume
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Both have been 'fixed'

unkempt gulch
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👀

unkempt gulch
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this time can we bo3?

errant forge
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We can vote

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As i prefer double eliminatiom bo1

surreal pecan
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Elimination? At this point I'm too confused at will this be a dom tourney or not.

raven fern
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The type of tournament, not the game mode Nick 😉

surreal pecan
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Double elimination, right.

past fiber
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Why is it written that the tournament is a team tournament, isn't it 1 on 1?

jagged flume
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It is 1 on 1 I've now revised it sorry

sharp bane
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sadly I'll have to sit this one out I won't have a PC around that time

surreal pecan
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Sad to hear.

upbeat ridge
surreal pecan
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Huh?

sharp bane
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it's the magic word

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not please

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sudo

errant forge
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a lot of players in the tournament..

errant forge
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i have a question about elim tournament, can two ships have ebs?

raven fern
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If there isn't a rule about weapon restriction, then yes. Otherwise no

vivid ore
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So August Tourney is Dom but Singel player, no teams this time?

inland lagoon
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correct

errant forge
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80% of dom community are not free at those days :agony:

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gonna be one of the smallest tournaments

jagged flume
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Why didn't you say anything

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At any time

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I've demonstrated willingness to conform to whatever desires and demands that you have, if there's relevant information why didn't you share it before the fact

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It's at the exact same time as the last event too?

errant forge
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I didnt know about anything before i asked some dom players for tournament, very unfortuneatly most of them dont have time those days

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As it seems tournament this month wont have much participants, i was thinking if playing it only at 26th wouldnt be better, that also might bring more players to it, as activity is needed only at one day.

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Also we lost contact with yugi, he was the one that would bring a lot of chinesse players to tournament

chilly barn
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@frank pecan ?

unkempt gulch
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he going to

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tourism

vivid ore
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@jagged flume if there are only 4 players (assuming i join) will or can it be a single day tourney?

errant forge
inland lagoon
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I just noticed the map type is small, it should be standard map size as mentioned before

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it just better be changed in the document to avoid misunderstanding, it wont be a problem in preparations as most of the dom community plays on standard map sizes regularly

vivid ore
inland lagoon
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standard map allows more strategic and ship uses, making the game more fun to watch and play

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Its also the most commonly used map size, so most players are used to playing on this setting, it isnt that hard

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it also allows the losing player to have a higher chance of winning after losing a few control points, and overall makes the game more fun and balanced

errant forge
unkempt gulch
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||i want big map : (||

errant forge
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that proves small is definitly too small

vivid ore
errant forge
inland lagoon
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doesnt matter, everyone is used to playing on standard maps, it makes the game actually fun, and allows for more tactics and ships to be used

vivid ore
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i love the big career maps - but for pvp and toruney small is good imho

errant forge
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thats the opinion of you and very small amount of dom players, almost everyone plays and prefer standard one

inland lagoon
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standard map overall allows for more fun, and actual tactics to be used

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it also allows for more mistakes, losing one of your control points doesnt mean losing the game

unkempt gulch
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but standard map only 5point

inland lagoon
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yeah, which is enough, less makes the game less fun, and everything i mentioned before.

A large map makes the game less balanced, as having a control point advantage means winning the game due to the income you are getting, and results in more spam

errant forge
# unkempt gulch but standard map only 5point

we have two opinions here... Hansel prefer large, Luke prefer small, it proves standard is the one that should be the common of tournament one to make both of you want to play it

inland lagoon
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also the early and late stages of it will most likely be drone fighting drone, which is not fun to play or watch

unkempt gulch
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is low error rate and it not bo3

inland lagoon
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making a mistake in a large map would have big consequences, as your income is lowered a big amount, and your opponents income is greatly increased, which means if you get a control point advantage early on, you basically have a win guaranteed

inland lagoon
unkempt gulch
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in large map you can eazy to take the point

inland lagoon
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which means its also easy to get a point advantage and make more mistakes

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in a standard map, the points are usually distanced, which gives them more strategical value, and overall allows for more strategies used in the tournament

unkempt gulch
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what about 1v1v1 map

inland lagoon
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...

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we already settled its a 1v1 tournament, this would be too chaotic

unkempt gulch
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add 2 point

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not ffa

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not too big not too small

inland lagoon
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standard still would be better as theres no point for there to be a third team, there are 2 points which are neutral

unkempt gulch
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i konw

inland lagoon
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standard is just better, most domination players are used to playing in these conditions, and it wont only be spamming to try and take other points over

inland lagoon
# unkempt gulch

on 3 teams, this would be a race on who can conquer the 2 neutral points, which would still result in spam

unkempt gulch
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but standard only spamming too

inland lagoon
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no, there are only 2 points you have to defend

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you can actually play standard without spamming, and using actually organized ships

unkempt gulch
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do you have seen the other ship?

inland lagoon
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which ship

unkempt gulch
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uncannon ship

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and DC

inland lagoon
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can you specify its armament

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and what do you think is its cost

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what does it have to do with standard

unkempt gulch
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can i use chinese ..?

inland lagoon
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sure

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i can translate

desert sky
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people who make the rules should not be allowed to play the tourney imo
you are just all favoring yourself with your own best playstyle

inland lagoon
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standard is literally standard, its the most commonly used map size, the current settings of the tournament are all whole, approved by the dom community, they were used in the past 2 tournaments, but are just cut in half

raven fern
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When they're also the only ones that actually play and have knowledge about it, they kind of have to now don't they?

unkempt gulch
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在我看过的标准地图里 只有100-150K LC 和 DC 要么是只有这些船适应这个规则 要么是人们根本没有其他船

desert sky
inland lagoon
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theres no favoring, its about actually having fun from playing the game

inland lagoon
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a small map would actually favor me, and i still would rather to play on a standard map because its actually fun and allows for more strategy used in the tournament

raven fern
unkempt gulch
inland lagoon
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你总是可以尝试这些船只,制造你正在谈论的那艘,并尝试制定适当的策略来对抗它

raven fern
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For the sake of including everyone here. Please speak in english.

inland lagoon
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we can move it to dms

raven fern
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^

unkempt gulch
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我尝试过了

desert sky
raven fern
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Only 6 players have signed up for the tournament, including them.

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Makes for a rather short tournament already

hollow socket
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I don't think I'll make it to this one, scheduling conflicts

inland lagoon
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the settings are not in favor of anyone... they are made to guarantee fun from playing and watching

desert sky
hollow socket
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Better to be short, then there isn't a prolonging to the weekend following where potential schedule conflicts could intervene

desert sky
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imo a tourney (with cashprice) should be fair more than anything else

hollow socket
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Fair would be 200000 base income, wouldn't you agree?

inland lagoon
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this tournament is fair, as i already mentioned, standard. not in favor of anyone. settings that were used in the past 2 tournaments so pretty much everyone uses them, and knows how they work

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these settings were already used for casual 1v1's before even knowing a 1v1 domination tournament would occur

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its almost an unspoken rule that these are regular and liked settings

vocal cloak
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im gonna sign up for shits and giggles

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time to be losers bracket foddder

young jacinth
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Same

worthy plank
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whats the rules too this chat

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cause I was gonna ask for a starter ship tourney

raven fern
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Anything tournament related goes in this chat

surreal pecan
hollow socket
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There is no one worse at domination than me

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And I'll fight and lose the fight to prove it

surreal pecan
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😆

raven fern
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May the worst player... lose?

surreal pecan
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^

sharp bane
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Omg we should do a loser tournament some time

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loser in a match moves on

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only one rule: "no playing seriously"

upbeat ridge
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me boutta pull out with the most serious ship and sleep on the matches to get tourney clout

surreal pecan
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A ship with explosive charges around its only cockpit.

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Boom

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(Literally boom)

sharp bane
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let's say the person who wins gets punished

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so people try to win

surreal pecan
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Huh?

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The winning one gets punished?!

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I thought winners were out

sharp bane
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I mean the person who is the winner of the losing tournament

surreal pecan
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Ahhhhhh

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So winning is disencouraged?

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Oh oh wait I think I got your idea.

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AAAA

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So smart.

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I'd play that.

sharp bane
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it would be pretty funny, like entering a truth or dare game

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everyone agrees to the possibility of having something bad happen if they are the last person standing, and evetyone tries not to end up being that person

surreal pecan
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So the objective is to win so you lose in the tournament so you don't get punished.

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It's so complecated yet funny.

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If you lose, you win, but if you win, you lose because you get punished.

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What would the punishement be though?

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Fighting against TB ion?

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😆

sharp bane
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uhh idk, muted on discord for 24 hours?

surreal pecan
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Noooooooo

sharp bane
surreal pecan
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dies

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literally

normal root
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and the one that finish 2nd get the @true loser discord role

hollow socket
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Now that is a title to lose for

errant forge
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ugh

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there is probability i wont be able to play tournament 19th, can i start from lower bracket week later?

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thats question to saris mostly

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the only way for me to play 19th, is to delay my fight as much as possible by making my match the last in section of bracket

odd zealot
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@jagged flume ^

errant forge
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im very sorry for complication

vivid ore
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signed up ...

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10 players atm - still a 2 day tourney?

inland lagoon
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This would make the tournament more enjoyable, last a bit longer considering the amount of players and be fun to watch, play

errant forge
vivid ore
errant forge
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26th = more poeple as more time to sign up

vivid ore
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maybe two dates for one tourney of somthing this scale are too much - should be two seperate tourneys?

vivid ore
errant forge
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Just one tourney this month on 26th

vivid ore
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SIngle day only but with max participants limit of maybe 16. FIrst come first serve.

vivid ore
# errant forge Just one tourney this month on 26th

disagree because personally i like tomorrow better

  • actually do not care on wich date but not splitting the tourney on two days could help, because some ppl might not join because it is two days and not one.
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the decision for this one is made i guess so it is two days - and i joined, trying my best to be there on 26th.

tough prism
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Well I can't go anymore because of recent news

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Wonderful

vocal cloak
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there is a chance i may have to dnf, hopefully i dont need to

tough prism
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Well wait, is the tournament happening tomorrow or the 26th?

raven fern
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Both

tough prism
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Damn, well I can't be here tomorrow

errant forge
tough prism
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Yep

unkempt gulch
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so why the rule is high starting credits

inland lagoon
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it isnt??? these rules were used in the past 2 tournaments

unkempt gulch
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i konw but why

inland lagoon
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what

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these are settings

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what do you mean why

unkempt gulch
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why setting high starting credits

inland lagoon
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they arent high

unkempt gulch
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not low or just 0

inland lagoon
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why would it be 0

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they are used all the time

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regular settings, literally everyone uses those starting credits in the price range

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is it because you play on only 100k starting credits?

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no minimum ship value and a large map

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wouldnt that result in spam the whole game

unkempt gulch
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yeah

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so i dont konw why

inland lagoon
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unlike a 350k starting credits game in which you can buy actually organized ships, and a standard map

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because they are good

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i explained

unkempt gulch
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but

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emmm

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many Chinese player dont think it is good

inland lagoon
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yeah chinese players, which copy your ships, your ships are made for spam, for the settings of yours i mentioned

unkempt gulch
inland lagoon
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and a lot of other dom players think these settings I mentioned think 350k starting credits settings are good

inland lagoon
inland lagoon
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there are ones that usually aim for original designs, but they have atleast one ship copied

inland lagoon
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they dont copy?

unkempt gulch
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i teach new player

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so i well give they me ship

inland lagoon
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AnD isnt playing dom lately, from what i have heard, rosehip has one of your drone ships, and yugi has tons of ships resembling yours, variations or just painted versions of your ships

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yeah, which means they use the same ships as you, ones that are made for 100k starting credits

unkempt gulch
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no

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my ship is suitable all rule

inland lagoon
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they are mainly made for lower credits settings, 25k drones, etc.

unkempt gulch
inland lagoon
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high control point income, large map, which all means spam is the only reasonable strategy, which isnt fun

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so why do they complain about these settings, as i already mentioned a lot of dom players think that the CURRENT settings are good

unkempt gulch
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AnD's ships make by he self

inland lagoon
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I said AnD doesnt copy ships, but he isnt playing dom anymore, from what yugi told us

inland lagoon
unkempt gulch
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inland lagoon
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domination ship pack

unkempt gulch
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does it matter?

inland lagoon
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it doesnt, we were talking about the settings

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i believe (and most of the domination community) that the current settings used are good, just increasing the map size to standard would be more fun

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as there are more points, so there are more strategical value to each of them, and they allow for the losing player to have a chance, even at a point disadvantage

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overall, it makes the game more fun to watch, and play, since playing on a small map will be just click ship right click with no thinking,a standard map will solve that

unkempt gulch
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🤨

inland lagoon
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what?

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:face with raised eyebrow:

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good argument

errant forge
unkempt gulch
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well i konw the problem

inland lagoon
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every single one of us does

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we want to change that

unkempt gulch
inland lagoon
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alright

unkempt gulch
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and i m making the ..

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emoji?

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or meme?

inland lagoon
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🥳

unkempt gulch
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it is by my OC

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(fursona)

inland lagoon
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oh

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i see

unkempt gulch
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whatever

jagged flume
inland lagoon
errant forge
vivid ore
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@umbral bison the tourney tomorrow is at 2pm UTC (not 4pm UTC) like stated in your sign up

chilly barn
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there's no tourney tomorrow tho?

jagged flume
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Yes no tournamen tomorrow

umbral bison
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but yes 16h for france

gilded spindle
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UTC+1 is france

umbral bison
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f

trim kestrel
umbral bison
normal root
gilded spindle
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Right, I forget about daylight savings sometimes

vivid ore
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tourney tiemstamp wich should automatically adjust to your tiemzone: <t:1692453600:t>

vivid ore
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@jagged flume i redraw my signup - might signup next week again.

unkempt gulch
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wow so many people join

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if i can i will allin myself (complete joke)

unkempt gulch
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wait

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why the rule it is small map

inland lagoon
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as we can see not a lot of players LIKE a small map, was mentioned a few times before but ill mention it again, can we PLEASE have the map size changed to standard??? its a lot more fun to play, and its literallly means standard, which can be perceived as normal settings. They are liked in the domination community and are commonly used in casual lobbies, which means most players are used to a standard map, a small map would result in no strategical value of points, and losing a single point would ultimately mean... Defeat, which is not only not fun, its not friendly for new, or adept players.

jagged flume
#

I have to wonder why I'm even hosting an event if you guys play the exact same games on the exact same settings. I'll change it accordingly but frankly I'm confused as to the point at all.

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I really ought just do elimination since games for that mode don't exist outside of tournaments and the hype leading up to them, whereis domination is consistently active

unkempt gulch
#

o.0

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i think i just dont to care will better

errant forge
jagged flume
#

Because as I literally just said, it helps keep the scene alive. Elimination is on life support in comparison, and tournaments bring boosts in activity that otherwise wouldn't exist

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Not to mention there's the whole balance mod thing that you may have heard of that I'm wanting to try out

inland lagoon
#

Elimination is literally the most popular gamemode, in the last, 2 weeks domination only is played more than usual is because people are preparing for the tournament, or the fact that a lot of old domination players want to bring domination back to its great life,
but theres no way domination is more popular than elim, it isnt on life support, domination is.

And i already mentioned in countless paragraphs why we want these settings... why they might seem repetitive... which ultimately just states these settings are good.
if domination is repetitive over settings, so is also elimination...

But the good news is that we finally settled on the tournament settings, we will see who the real best domination player is, this saturday.

hollow socket
#

2.5m elimination tournament?

errant forge
inland lagoon
errant forge
#

Then we gonna eat instead of fighting

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Food break

inland lagoon
#

yeah

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will be mcdonalds eating contest

errant forge
#

mcdonalds or burger king

inland lagoon
#

humm

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both.

errant forge
#

good idea

hollow socket
#

and then the tournament dissolved into a muckbang

errant forge
#

yes

inland lagoon
#

a s m r

errant forge
#

makdonald hehe

inland lagoon
#

papas burgeria

errant forge
#

papas pizzeria

inland lagoon
#

@jagged flume could me and przyjem perhaps be on the opposite sides of the bracket in the current tournament, as we are previous tournament winners?

surreal pecan
#

^^^^

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Very smart idea.

jagged flume
#

Already planned

errant forge
#

Map must be changed to standard. Small map ruin tactical aspect in dom, and mostly capturing alpha point guarante win.
Besides that, there is income aspect, small map have lower income, as some players have strategies and ships fully calculated for income of standard map, even minor change in income force them to edit their ships.

jagged flume
#

I changed it

jagged flume
#

Bracket thus far

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I can't wait for more than one additional person to sign up heh heh heh

stone zephyr
#

nah just wait for two more people to sign up

unkempt gulch
#

cats fight?

desert sky
#

meow~

inland lagoon
#

who can meow better

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thanks saris, for everything

errant forge
dry otter
errant forge
dry otter
#

tbh i dont think the bracket should be put up till its full, as itll just make people not want to join if the only open spot is against someone whos relatively capable

errant forge
#

true

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however Ketcha joined, who is capable of beating me, with elim seed system i would say he is 3 or 4

jagged flume
#

It's only 'full' for sure on the day of, and people always complain about not having a bracket four hours ago I can't win 😭

errant forge
#

you are fine, just for future making bracket slighty later would be better i think

gilded spindle
still cairn
#

Is there a lower bracket in this tournament

errant forge
#

plot twist: miguel is goge

inland lagoon
#

playing cosmoteer for 20 hours

odd zealot
umbral bison
#

@jagged flume so only the map size is changed ? no other changes in income or what ?

inland lagoon
umbral bison
#

fine by me

inland lagoon
#

and by everyone

hollow socket
#

I think large is better

inland lagoon
#

negative, would rely on a lot of drone ships and overall means more spam

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standard is called standard for a reason

hollow socket
#

Set minimum ship price to 100k, less spam then

inland lagoon
#

but this would make 4lc, waste ships obsolete,

Im saying a large map is bad because its less about strategical aspect, its more about capturing points as fast as possible early on

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the settings are already decided anyways

vivid ore
#

@bright anchor PLZ yoin tourney we want to see your inimitable and ingenious DOM-Play!

errant forge
#

artem thinks he have no chance

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when he is one of best ones for sure

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@bright anchor

vivid ore
vivid ore
#

typical pianist stands no chance

inland lagoon
#

im pretty sure Artem is currently one of the best domination players, he mastered the playstyle of playing kiters, and could be called an expert in meta ship building, not to mention he is one of the best movement players in dom.

If @bright anchor signed up, its likely that he would be on the podium.

inland lagoon
vivid ore
inland lagoon
#

but you also demoralize typical pianist in the process, i think not mentioning anyone and commending artem alone is better

vivid ore
#

i think pianist (whos discord nickname i forgot) is motivated enough - and is also a top player ofc.

errant forge
#

lol

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but yeah, i appreciate trying to motivate artem lmao

unkempt gulch
#

but i never use Autoram

junior patrol
#

does one have to use the same setup throughout the tournament?

jagged flume
#

Nope

errant forge
#

And i dont have to say waste ships are even worse now than in July

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It was good only about march / april where whole dom commjnity was much worse

unkempt gulch
#

what are you talking about

errant forge
#

About facts

unkempt gulch
#

and facts is Waste Ship Autoram can help you to win

unkempt gulch
errant forge
#

i use it as deafult

dry otter
#

like, direct control?

errant forge
#

but during match mostly making it manually

errant forge
dry otter
#

ok ok

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i presume you just have the default attack setting and then set it yourself?

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*mid game

errant forge
#

yes, thats what i said

dry otter
#

aight

unkempt gulch
#

why ur ship rotated forever to me

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i am not big star

hardy mulch
#

@jagged flume regrettably, I won't be able to make it in time for the tournament tomorrow

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I concede my match against zeldef

errant forge
#

Kurwa

vivid ore
#

then non waste ships (called drone in the old days) with reactor rammers are worse - you cannot emp them

errant forge
#

drone and waste is something diffirent

hardy mulch
#

great to have everyone in agreement

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now, what exactly constitutes a drone?

errant forge
#

drone for me is movable cr to cap points, sometimes with addition of one small cannon

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however it dont exist now as people started playing with min.limit

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which is good

hardy mulch
#

I thought that was called a capper

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but I suppose terminology can be quite vague

errant forge
#

exactly

vivid ore
#

"Drone" is just a ship without reactor - usually with battery storage.

hardy mulch
#

sometime, a project to standardize terminology around archetypes would be interesting

jagged flume
#

It's been tried but typically everyone disagrees and defends counterintuitive nonsense terms

hardy mulch
#

as expected(

desert sky
#

as expected/

hardy mulch
#

I think even just the effort is worth something though

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it's impossible to make everyone agree on everything

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but if a majority can agree to a majority, that's a lot of progress

jagged flume
#

Like barge

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Many veterans swear by this

vivid ore
#

lets build a reactor drone 😛

jagged flume
#

By all acounts, however, a barge is a completely nonsensical term when referring to a military vessel

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A barge is a logistical device for the exclusive purpose of carrying and ferrying cargo

vivid ore
#

barge is longer then wide i guess

hardy mulch
#

that's true, but that makes it a unique term for cosmoteer, no?

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I think it's pretty neat when words get repurposed like that

jagged flume
#

See, we already disagree on the first term I introduced. I think that the names should be intuitive, applicable, and make sense for them to be more easily understood by new players

desert sky
jagged flume
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You think it's cool and unique. It is, to a degree, but that doesn't warrant keeping it

hardy mulch
#

well, that's a reasonable request

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I believe terms should accurately represent the playerbase

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so I'm more lenient on real world parallelles in favor of conserving existing terms

vivid ore
#

if everyone understands what you mean your terminology is all good

hardy mulch
#

I agree with this

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I think it's a lot harder to design intuitive terminology than clear terminology though

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we can all agree of what a barge is when used as a cosmoteer term (to reasonable degree)

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but it's hard to find a new name that would immediatly make one think of a barge in cosmoteer

jagged flume
#

What the hell is a trap

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A traps, even

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Orbiters don't orbit

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I absolutely despise the term squib

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I've offered to actually do this sort of thing myself but no one ever agrees with me that these terms need revising

vivid ore
jagged flume
#

So a single 750k ship is a traps?

hardy mulch
#

I do agree with you for the most part

vivid ore
jagged flume
#

Not any of the new players

hardy mulch
#

"squib" has only one meaning to me, so I don't mind it

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but the other names are misleading

vivid ore
#

i'm just trying to make matters more complicated then they already are

jagged flume
#

You may or may not have noticed but the community has been hemorrhaging competitive players and retaining new players is already difficult, so assisting them with easy to understanding, intuitive terms is infinitely more important than "uh we all know the terms so nothing wrong there"

hardy mulch
#

I don't entirely agree with that

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I see why intuitive terms are important

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but it's next to impossible to force new terms instead of old ones

jagged flume
#

How defeatist of you

hardy mulch
#

perhaps, but maybe the previous attempts failed because they were too ambitious?

vivid ore
#

funny enough that there was hardly any problem to describe ships when "voting out" in toruney.

hardy mulch
#

my goal is simply to clear up the terminology to make it as clear as possible

jagged flume
#

Because it was exclusively competitive players that took advantage of the system?

hardy mulch
#

so that as many people as possible can agree to as concise terms as possible

desert sky
jagged flume
#

If you have to explain what a term is every time it comes up its no longer concise 😛

vivid ore
#

i love the word "vessel" - noone ever uses it 🙂

hardy mulch
#

that's what would happen if we switched to new terms

jagged flume
#

It's what happens for new players right now

hardy mulch
#

do you have a proposed term for barge that would be immidiatly intuitive for a new player?

jagged flume
#

And of course it's unavoidable, avoiders despite being simple and intuitive aren't clear, but they're still easier to understand and retroactively make more sense to someone joining the game than barge

desert sky
jagged flume
#

Yes, cruiser. A ship that can go forward and backwards at high speeds

#

'Cruise' if you will

hardy mulch
#

in my mind, most terms are too narrow to be intuitive

jagged flume
#

Because that's all that barge ever meant here

hardy mulch
#

either that or they are too broad to be useful

vivid ore
#

"cruiser" was always just used for everyhting that was big - afaik

hardy mulch
#

when I think of a barge, I think of a missile ship with a very distinct shape

jagged flume
#

Because you've been here a while

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I digress; as this has demonstrated getting everyone to agree on terms unanimously won't occur

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Hence nothing occurs

hardy mulch
#

that's a defeatist sentiment(

jagged flume
#

I plan to make a video where I establish the terms regardless of outside opinion since I have conviction that it is the right way to approach the problem

hardy mulch
#

I see

jagged flume
#

Bullheaded, brash, stupid, potentially destructive more than helpful, but I'm absolutely going to be doing something about it

hardy mulch
#

well, I do hope that it'll do more good than harm

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I was considering a document based on voting

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but my goal never was to reinvent the system

jagged flume
#

A good approach but the majorities won't be clear cut, and won't account for new player necessities

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If you make a google questionnaire I'll put it in #tournament-announcements though

hardy mulch
#

I appreciate that(

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I think I'd need to collect a lot of different opinions from different players though

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otherwise it's hard to make a good one

#

I appreciate our discussion, it's good to have different angles on the topic

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thanks for your time(

vivid ore
#

Barge and Missiles is not connected directly - there have been cannon barges but they where not so good. I should build one with deck cannons for career ...

hardy mulch
#

that's true

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weren't missile ships the origin of the word though?

errant forge
#

torrnament today

sharp bane
#

for my pov on competitive terms, it wasn't ever a problem I noticed when learning the game. What was a problem at the time was the accessibility and extent of concise and accurate guides for competitive ship building, but that has improved drastically since.

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and I am still of the maybe contrarian opinion that zingy almost-onomatopoeic words like 'squib' that invoke a clear image of a small annoying pest are better than specialist navy vocabulary which I still can't remember all of the designations for despite having had it explained to me.

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wrt barge, I think it's not a great but also not a terrible name, it does at least communicate the shape of the ship like how wall communicates the shape of a wall ship.

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also I think as the meta changes and old archetypes return, people kinda want new names to make the game feel fresh even if they are redundant. Maybe even on a subconscious level. And being part of a new generation of players and calling yout stuff differently might be a way to stand out.

vivid ore
#

ok confirm that new players don't know what barge means: #ships message

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ill probably stop using some terms, using more commonly understandable ones

errant forge
vivid ore
errant forge
#

Barge always gonna be barge

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Like eb is eb, not fucking disruptor lol

vivid ore
#

EB is the acronym for Disruptor - explain that to noob 🤦

errant forge
#

@last cave no way

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You and Name, two great dom players gone

last cave
#

Sorry lmao

errant forge
#

this tournament gonna be shit

last cave
#

Vacation just taking too long :-:

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Hmmm... regarding terms

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Barge just makes me think of big ass missile carrier

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Armored DC ship is just a brick

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Ion cruiser as ion rammer

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Uhhhh the term orbiter is super sketchy tho

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Wall is... Wall xd

raven fern
#

Orbiter is the easiest term. A ship with all forward thrust

hardy mulch
#

it's simple

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but misleading

#

one would think an orbiter orbits

jagged flume
#

Ion cruisers are different from ion rammers. They can kite and ram, unlike rammers that only ram

hardy mulch
#

cruiser is a neat term

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just between rammer and kite

#

all three terms refer to playstyles though

#

which I believe "orbiter" did too initially

vivid ore
errant forge
#

Barge is barge

hardy mulch
#

I think there is an important distinction between playstyle archetypes and ship archetypes

hardy mulch
#

a squib refers to a very specific meta design

vivid ore
#

i think when new names for old archetypes are created both words will stay and be valid ...

hardy mulch
#

I have understood barges the same way

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but it's been a long time since I last used the term

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especially considering that I'm a dom player

vivid ore
jagged flume
hardy mulch
#

of course

jagged flume
#

I'll respond more in half an hour

hardy mulch
#

but they are not identical

#

take your time(

jagged flume
#

In ideal competitive circumstances where a player is trying their hardest to win, then certain ships are played in exclusive styles. A TB rail flips, an avoider avoids. These ships are furthermore tuned for these specific playstyles since that's where they're at their strongest. Trying to create a distinction between ship and playstyle doesn't make sense, because they are melded completely and utterly

hardy mulch
#

I definetly agree that ships lend themselves to certain playstyles, but I don't believe ships can be defined by a single playstyle. Every meta ship can perform a variety of tasks, (generally specializing in only one). For example a monothrust lc wall might ram in one matchup, while orbiting or poking in the next. This sets it apart from a slow DC ship that can only ram or pray the opponent messes up, even though they are both "rammers".

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I believe the distinction between playstyle and ship is like that of the distinction between a verb and a noun

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a dog may bark, but calling it a "barker" forgets that it might also bite

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now, I am not advocating for renaming ship that have been named based on their actions like "railfans", "avoiders" and "kites". These ships are the very essence of their respective playstyles and thus the names have come naturally to them. I just believe that there are more archetypes than playstyles, and that this inevitably leads to naming which only holds meaning in the context of the specific ship.

serene latch
#

i think the point where the line is muddied is in cases like monothrust ion ships having aimable prisms and detachable armour, because it performs different functions with the armour on/off

errant forge
#

omg

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even kine

jagged flume
#

I almost didn't set an alarm lol

#

Wouldn't that have been funny

unkempt gulch
#

furry?

#

oh

#

is funny

#

nvm

inland lagoon
#

hansel car?

#

oh

#

is hansel cat

#

nvm

surreal pecan
#

And also spade car.

errant forge
proven palm
#

I am very glad that Hanselcat is taking a critical approach to its past game tactics.

umbral bison
errant forge
#

Hansel from pioner in cannom gameplay turned to criticing every playstyle he lost to

umbral bison
#

hm eh

proven palm
#

To be fair, he won, but it's funny to hear from him like that.

dry otter
#

whats happening with the fact that 2 people have left the tourney?

errant forge
desert sky
#

i'm intrested i hate cannons spam

errant forge
umbral bison
errant forge
#

As those was players that present something

junior patrol
#

will tehre be astroids in the tournament

inland lagoon
#

theres no option in domination to turn asteroids off

#

so yes lol

errant forge
#

And thats the good thing in the game anyway, even if some people dont like it, it improves tactical aspect

inland lagoon
#

check in in 7 minutes

#

yes?

umbral bison
#

just reposting this

#

i gues my first fight is against @errant forge

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which i think i never won against soooo

errant forge
#

I fight against ketcha first i think

errant forge
umbral bison
#

ah ok

umbral bison
#

so i'm just gonna be a telespectator for the first rounds

inland lagoon
#

if there is a lower bracket you might beat people there instead

junior patrol
#

so is the torueny starting soon?

inland lagoon
#

there should be a check in in 3 mins?

#

@jagged flume

errant forge
#

Also maybe saris will change bracket a bit, as a lot of people resigned

umbral bison
#

right

inland lagoon
#

@jagged flume

#

dont worry us

#

please

odd zealot
#

Saris do be sleepin...

errant forge
#

Saris sleeping

inland lagoon
#

saris wake up

errant forge
#

Chilll... we have time

junior patrol
#

saris rn 👉 🛌

inland lagoon
#

yeah let him rest

junior patrol
#

what if he did a

#

rest in peace

#

lmao

inland lagoon
#

hes not resting in peace on my watch

umbral bison
errant forge
#

MARSZ MARSZ DĄBROWSKI

inland lagoon
#

z ziemi włoskiej do POLSKI

#

ZA TWOIM przewodem

errant forge
#

ZŁĄCZYM SIE Z NARODEM

inland lagoon
#

MARSZ MARSZ dąbrowski

umbral bison
#

polski invasion

errant forge
#

PRZEJDZIEM WISŁĘ, PRZJDZIEM WARTĘ

inland lagoon
#

BĘDZIEM POLAKAMI

errant forge
#

DAŁ NAM PRZYKŁAD BONAPARTE

inland lagoon
#

JAK ZWYCIĘŻAĆ MAMY

umbral bison
#

watching crimes scenes

inland lagoon
#

alright bro

odd zealot
umbral bison
#

killing time

junior patrol
#

so saris still away

sinful roost
#

are you guys ready for the tournament?

inland lagoon
#

are you

sinful roost
#

yup

tough prism
#

Ready

sinful roost
#

brazil 4000 will dominate

inland lagoon
#

im a bit worried about miguel ngl

tough prism
#

I haven't played Cosmoteer for a while now tho

inland lagoon
#

saw him playing cosmoteer for 20 hours

junior patrol
#

ready and im shitting a brick

tough prism
#

Damn

sinful roost
inland lagoon
#

playing cosmoteer for 20 hours is a gog thing to do

sinful roost
#

i did like 20 versions for brazil 4000

inland lagoon
#

wow

#

brazil 4000 will probably dominate

#

brazil 4000 only setup

sinful roost
#

canon go pew pew

#

at 2 pm they will give the server password right?

young jacinth
#

In announcements yes

sinful roost
#

ok

umbral bison
#

the stress is getting out of hands

dry otter
#

how long till it actually starts as ive seen like several different times

umbral bison
#

@dry otter

dry otter
#

helo

umbral bison
#

wanna go into creative little quick ?

#

xD

dry otter
#

uh

#

sure

umbral bison
#

@dry otter did i disconnected you ?

#

wha happen

dry otter
#

lost connection

sinful roost
#

just now that i saw that now the little humans bild now

vivid ore
#

im here

#

where to check in?

inland lagoon
#

@jagged flume ?

errant forge
#

chill, he gonna be in 30min i hope

errant forge
#

he is not brazil

sinful roost
#

muahahahahha

errant forge
#

thats gog

junior patrol
still cairn
#

UK dominate

junior patrol
#

does he count as a forfeit

sinful roost
still cairn
#

🇬🇧

errant forge
sinful roost
#

🇧🇷

still cairn
#

Polska gurom after second round

inland lagoon
#

polska gurom first round too

#

probably

still cairn
#

Nah thats all me and c108

sinful roost
#

the snake will smoke

errant forge
#

thats fucking gog, brazil have diffirent timezone than him

short tartan
#

wooo countries, such real things

sinful roost
#

maybe im livin in portugal rn gotojale

#

"maybe"

errant forge
#

ah yeah

icy oxide
#

Someone going to Brazil?

#

Saris

tough prism
#

When do we check in?

#

Or what

errant forge
sinful roost
#

Y O U A L L A R E G O I N G T O B R A Z I L

icy oxide
#

🇧🇷

sinful roost
#

you are not going to brazil

#

can i chose my enemy? i realy want to fight hollowan

short tartan
tough prism
#

Uh ok

short tartan
#

i think

#

idk

sinful roost
#

20 min i think

errant forge
#

but saris sleeps

short tartan
#

should we @ him in ten minutes?

icy oxide
#

Saris: wakes up
Discord: 100 pings

jagged flume
#

Checks are pointless and people regularly disappeared after the fact

short tartan
#

hi Saris

tough prism
sinful roost
#

my computer is almost diying i have to play whit the charger on

jagged flume
#

We should remain speaking english please

sinful roost
sinful roost
#

AQUI E BRASIL KARALHOOOO

#

A COBRA VAI FUMAR

#

sorry

gilded spindle
#

devolving into chaos already

#

love it

jagged flume
#

What do you mean 'giving up'

errant forge
gilded spindle
umbral bison
dry otter
#

whats the first fight gonna be, saris?

vivid ore
sinful roost
#

bro im gona sing the entire national anthem of brazil

#

OUVIRA DO IMPIRANGA AS MARGENS PLACIDAS

#

DE UM POVO EROICO UM BRADO RETUMBANTE

umbral bison
sinful roost
#

DE UM SOL DA LIBERDADE OS RAIOS FUUUUUUUUGIDOS

dry otter
#

miguel

#

pls

sinful roost
#

ok sorry

dry otter
#

ty <3

sinful roost
#

brilhando nessa patria nesse estante

#

3 min

#

2 min

#

1 min

jagged flume
sinful roost
#

its time

#

brazil 4000 will show what *patria * means

#

im telling you guys

#

the snake will smoke

#

"dies on first round"

jagged flume
#

Also you're still welcome to check in, you don't need me to change the name if you still want to 💀

#

Anyone

junior patrol
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?

umbral bison
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i'm checked in

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do i just have to say it ?

inland lagoon
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on your mark saris

junior patrol
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do i just checkin myself then

sinful roost
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how do i get checked?

junior patrol
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u tell saris prob

errant forge
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polska gurom

jagged flume
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Any complaints or issues

junior patrol
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and przy

umbral bison
sinful roost
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im ok whit it

jagged flume
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He gets a pass since there's fourteen players and because he won the previous event

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Thirteen players, I guess

junior patrol
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cant you match the players without opponents?

jagged flume
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Please go to google and look up 13 player bracket and see how unpleasant it looks

inland lagoon
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im fine with it

jagged flume
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Short answer is no

umbral bison
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fine by me

jagged flume
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Thanks for telling me Name isn't present, this will be the functional bracket. The password is cyan

errant forge
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saris, is there lower bracket after it?

umbral bison
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@vivid ore miaou ?

sinful roost
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in what server?

jagged flume
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I settled for best 2/3 rather than a double elimination. Isn't that what was desired

dry otter
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as long as you dont lag is it ok to spectate the game?

still cairn
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2/3 what

jagged flume
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Best two out of three means players fight until one of them wins twice

still cairn
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Hmm. the more the merrier

umbral bison
dry otter
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its just last tourney there was like 4 people in the lobby

vivid ore
jagged flume
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@still cairn and @junior patrol are up first. Other players can view the tournament through the stream I posted in #tournament-announcements

dry otter
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saris you should prob put the password

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like, enable it on the lobby

umbral bison
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we are fine

jagged flume
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You should probably get your glasses checked

dry otter
inland lagoon
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@jagged flume cant hear you

sinful roost
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sorry

errant forge
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@jagged flume i think we dont hear you

inland lagoon
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in the live

dry otter
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well i heard him for a moment

errant forge
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fine now

vivid ore
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audio hardly works - no ingame sounds and only few single words coming through

sinful roost
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i though it was a 1v1

dry otter
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^

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mic is patchy

umbral bison
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@jagged flume your mic is having issues

sinful roost
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yeah

jagged flume
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@dry otter and @young jacinth

sinful roost
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you guys paint job is so good im bad at it ;-;

vivid ore
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🎙️ mic not working - sounds like an over sensitive noise gate that cancels the voice itself @jagged flume

unkempt gulch
vivid ore
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turning off noise suppression or a similar option might help @jagged flume

sinful roost
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do i need a small ship?

unkempt gulch
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you will need that

sinful roost
vivid ore
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muted becaseu only some syllables coming through 🔇

unkempt gulch
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like this

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but it need high amp

sinful roost
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i didin't build one

errant forge
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i can play elim with you in dom tournament

vivid ore
surreal pecan
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Whose ship is that cannon thing that's the thumbnail of the tournament? It looks sweet (And yes I do understand the paint is Saris').

errant forge
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hansel car

surreal pecan
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Nice shipe he's got.

sinful roost
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I DONT HAVE A SMALL SHIP 😭 😭 😭

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JUST OLD ONES

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THAT ARE SLOW

icy oxide
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Then build one lol

sinful roost
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PRICE???

unkempt gulch
sinful roost
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OK

umbral bison
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i see miguel and i feel better

surreal pecan
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@jagged flume Shouldn't you rename the lobby to August domination tournament or something similar?

jagged flume
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Thanks

surreal pecan
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...Or August pvp tournament.

gilded spindle
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I found this ugly thing

jagged flume
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@vivid ore vs @umbral bison

surreal pecan
umbral bison
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oh shoot

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it's time

gilded spindle
dry otter
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tourname

jagged flume
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@vivid ore

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You're up

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waiting on you

dry otter
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space cats in the lobby

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just not joining

unkempt gulch
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gl hf

umbral bison
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@vivid ore ?

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he/she is somewhere else

vivid ore
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here

umbral bison
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aaaah

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come fast

short tartan
dry otter
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non binary better

sinful roost
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I DID IT

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brazil caramelo 1000

unkempt gulch
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👀

desert sky
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ooohhh seems like dom meta have evolved!! there less cannons spam and alittle more missiles and lasers

dry otter
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i think armour is becoming an actual thing now

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where as it used to be either put a bit to cover your cr and kill the enemy faster, shields, or manueverability

hardy mulch
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armor has been a thing for a while with dc ships