Tournament Chat

[frank pecan]

Hold on let me reenter,

[mortal flame]

Hey, what's the password?

[jagged flume]

glow, but it's not your turn yet

[mortal flame]

I know lol

[serene latch]

fleet value difference

[mortal flame]

Cheers

[jagged flume]

Would have been so funny to see team 2 win that

[sharp bane]

we were behind by like 4 seconds or something right

or 15

[jagged flume]

Yugi tell Sad Fox to join why aren't they joining

I think it was really really close, like <5 seconds close

[sharp bane]

before our last ship died on alpha it could've gone either way

[wind blaze]

I am not sure because I didn't see echo get taken

[sharp bane]

yeah and every single match was super close, nice work qawa and salephz

could have gone either way in any of them

[serene latch]

my internet hates me

dragged out the matches for so long

[sharp bane]

:( sad about the DCs

[serene latch]

but

fun matches

[sharp bane]

they were awesome matches at least yeah!

[autumn maple]

indeed

is losers bracket today?

or no?

[wind blaze]

No

[autumn maple]

breh

ok

[sharp bane]

I'm glad the disconnects didn't happen in a tournament with more teams lol

otherwise we'd have had a 7 hour tournament or something

[desert sky]

3 times slower 3 times more apm

[sharp bane]

yugi be like:

https://tenor.com/view/starcraft-bongo-cat-starcraft2-zerg-rage-gif-17337804

[hardy mulch]

turn based gaming

[autumn maple]

Starcraft zerg moment

[sharp bane]

yugi really just said "I work alone" and won

[jagged flume]

@dry otter & @hazy brook vs @vivid ore & @mortal flame

[desert sky]

oh it already ended

[frank pecan]

We lost none.

[sharp bane]

yeah you must have gotten used to matches taking 40 minutes after our match xP

[desert sky]

i am used to match taking 40 minutes already by just existing

[sharp bane]

fun fact we actually had like 5 matches in a row because we happened to be sparring before getting called in

had to leave the second sparring match after getting pinged

[snow seal]

who won between slowk and mint vs hollowan and name

[errant forge]

hollowan and name

[snow seal]

yugi won right

[errant forge]

yes

[jagged flume]

@dusty crescent & @unkempt gulch vs @still cairn & @hardy mulch

[unkempt gulch]

here

[vivid ore]

ok so how does that work - everyon gets two chances but how?

[mortal flame]

Yeah I was thinking of pulling the re move

But then laughed at myself internally lmao

[vivid ore]

we did well until midgame ...

[mortal flame]

Nah SpaceCat, they just let us have the field

So they could repair

You mistoke that for winning

They all tp'd back for repairs

Lol

[vivid ore]

didt see that

[mortal flame]

Yeah there was no way we would've won that.

[vivid ore]

i spawned 500K and killed one ship only ...

could have got 3 2dc ships instead

[mortal flame]

I killed very little of their ships as well

[dry otter]

i am genuinely surprised me and tape won

i thought we were just gonna lose first match tbh

[mortal flame]

You you haven't played in ages Bio

Or at least I haven't seen you

[frank pecan]

Actually CCC players predicted you two high,

You two play ratherly stable,

[dry otter]

oh ive been playing loads the past week

[frank pecan]

Therefore.

[mortal flame]

Maybe you been avoiding me because I'm to much of an asshole lmao

It's good to see you

[dry otter]

oh wow

[frank pecan]

Due to your layout.

[dry otter]

no?? i just have been playing at times that have barely anyone on

[mortal flame]

That makes perfect sense

Either way it's good to see you lol

[dry otter]

yeah

you too :p

[hazy brook]

i think you are better at high budget games twrecks

you can beat me quite a lot

[mortal flame]

Definitely. This is not my meta

[vivid ore]

hansel played a terrific game yesterday - so did pryzyem (or how they called)

[mortal flame]

I'll whip your ass any day of the week with a big fleet and a bit more money tape 😛

Hansel and Pryzjem are the single two most scary players in the realm of domination

I want to see them fight

[vivid ore]

wait przyjem is not in the tourney 🤨

[mortal flame]

Yes he is

Bio and Tape fight them next

[frank pecan]

They did like ten times and everyone still expects for more.

[mortal flame]

Who did?

[frank pecan]

Hansel won the last tournament you know.

While Przy was silver.

[mortal flame]

That's not surprising. I didn't know that.

[nova juniper]

@jagged flume going for dinner so theres a small chance im afk when you need me rq

[jagged flume]

@serene latch & @snow seal vs @shy dust & @frank pecan

[mortal flame]

Uuh oh

[snow seal]

a

[mortal flame]

Slideshow #2

[errant forge]

what?

[past fiber]

Shouldn't it be us now?

[vivid ore]

sry didnt spot your name down there

[jagged flume]

Zemako said he was afk

[vivid ore]

so if we do not lose next round we lose against you 😉

[snow seal]

game loading

[mortal flame]

Yeah we would've lost against Pryzjem anyways

Lol

Man I need to host my own game of broadsiders only

Hahaha

That would be fun to watch

[vivid ore]

we have another go - everyone gets two chances to win lose

[mortal flame]

Lmao it's ok. I'm happy to lose.

Now I can go to bed sooner

(2:41am TWrecks time)

[vivid ore]

i do not get when we get that second chance - just wait?

[mortal flame]

But if you were serious about winning you'd armour the rear of your ships anyways 😛

And I would bring 4DCs

[vivid ore]

my 4 dc is too expensive

[mortal flame]

Second chance next week

[nova juniper]

back already

[jagged flume]

It's a double elimination tournament you'll get your chance next week Spacecat

[vivid ore]

oh i thought two chances each day

ok so i can chill

in hat case i will go out and watch the rest another time

ggs so far have fun!

[desert sky]

AnD tactics op

[frank pecan]

Rematch required.

[jagged flume]

Well we'z waiting on you

[errant forge]

i will sweat to face them

[fast oracle]

are you winning son?

[unkempt gulch]

if yugi and fox got win i will eat the my display

[mortal flame]

Ooof xD

[unkempt gulch]

oh sxxt

[errant forge]

hehe

[unkempt gulch]

why you have this

[mortal flame]

Lmao

He takes screenshots of the things we say. Even the racist stuff.

Hahaha

[errant forge]

wait what

[mortal flame]

What you mean? Nothing what.

[unkempt gulch]

racist stuff..?

[mortal flame]

Lol I got a great screencap of Corrupt saying some fun things a while back

He said he didn't want me to call him Paragon

So I said

"What don't you want me to call you?"

And then he said

"Call me Paragon"

Hahah

So I screencapped it

[unkempt gulch]

NO

[mortal flame]

I think I still have it somewhere

[unkempt gulch]

STOP

[inland lagoon]

its alright hansel, calm down

[mortal flame]

@misty oracle

[inland lagoon]

its a secret between us

[mortal flame]

Lol what secret?

[inland lagoon]

only between me przyjem and hansel

[mortal flame]

Lmao

[inland lagoon]

our little secret

hansels secret

[serene latch]

where eat

[unkempt gulch]

wait..

[mortal flame]

Blackmail to make him throw?

[unkempt gulch]

WTF

[mortal flame]

Hahaha

[serene latch]

i can't play in this lag. might quit the tournament if i encounter them again in loser's bracket. no offence to them

[snow seal]

^

[jagged flume]

I'm very unimpressed with two previous tournament winners being incapable of dealing with connection issues

@walnut and @nova juniper vs @past fiber and @proven palm is up next

[desert sky]

see, that why lag is an advantage

[frank pecan]

Fair.

[desert sky]

..aslong saris don't kick you for it
it's a risky tactic

[last cave]

you are incapable of manually piloting while lagging

[mortal flame]

The connection issues are seriously obnoxious. I can see their point.

[frank pecan]

I think it is probably because I am also streaming,

[last cave]

which qawa and sal relied on

[nova juniper]

@sacred quartz

[last cave]

​while it would be unsportsmanlike to eliminate either teams due to internet, i strongly suggest making a limiter for the tournament to have a decent internet connection

[serene latch]

sad fox was the largest offender

[desert sky]

oh yeah right

[sacred quartz]

？

[nova juniper]

just type xiao

[serene latch]

there was a ping requirement for the previous tournament, which isn't enforced in this one.

[snow seal]

in previous tournaments there was a required amount of ping

[last cave]

as cloudzero said within the youtube commentary:

​I had the same thing in Smash Bros U, players who where use to the lag were good at it but I was bad because of the delay

[frank pecan]

True to me too, was commanding very hard.

[sacred quartz]

？

[frank pecan]

I took 5s just to cancel a ship from my line-up.

[unkempt gulch]

该你了

2B

[jagged flume]

You're up next in game Xiao

[nova juniper]

游戏开始

[mortal flame]

@unkempt gulch Time to eat the screen my dude?

[jagged flume]

The ping limit was enforced for one tournament and was exceedingly unpopular

[inland lagoon]

didnt win the tournament yet!

[unkempt gulch]

damn i will draw about “hansel” eat display

[inland lagoon]

lol pls do

[last cave]

the great firewall of china

[sigh]

[mortal flame]

I quote:

"Hansel Cat — Today at 2:50 AM
if yugi and fox got win i will eat the my display"

Did fox and yugi

Not infact

Win?

Nothing about winning the tournament there

Just "win"

[last cave]

xd

[unkempt gulch]

xd

[serene latch]

at the same time, there should be some barrier for entry, because playing at less than 1/8 speed is horrible for both the players and the viewers. The game was exceedingly frustrating to participate in.

[shy dust]

aaaaaaaaaahg

[mortal flame]

@unkempt gulch I'm curious to hear your response lmao

[last cave]

the tournament was created to be fun

lag is clearly not fun

a ping entry requirement is needed

so as long as it is not exceedingly attrocious

lag spikes are fine; constant lag is not

[vivid ore]

ping is not the only thing affecting a good connection

[desert sky]

i

[mortal flame]

I wouldn't have been able to play if ping was the limiter

And I don't lag heaps

(At least I don't tihnk I do)

[last cave]

ping perhaps is the wrong term then

[mortal flame]

But ping is an issue for Australians

[last cave]

since cosmoteer works by constantly uploading "save files"

[frank pecan]

Maybe a host in Europe helps? To play in a north america hosted room Chinese player would have to cycal signal across the globe.

[mortal flame]

You are talking about packet loss

[last cave]

^

[serene latch]

there needs to be some form of barrier for entry concerning connection, at the very least.

[last cave]

twrecks clearly did not lag at all

despite having "high ping"

[mortal flame]

I think part of the issue is political as well tho. We don't want to exclude all the nice chinese players, even though they lag a storm.

I think that's a relevant part of the problem.

[last cave]

true, it is unfair to blame the chinese players for the great firewall

technically that would be discrimination

[mortal flame]

The situation isn't fair either way

[last cave]

yea idk if theres a good solution lol

without pissing nobody off

[mortal flame]

Yeah that's the issue

[last cave]

yay politics!

[mortal flame]

I mean

I don't know I don't mind politics personally

It certainly makes life more interesting

You know I feel like Hansel and Pryzjem should've teamed. That way there's no chance of any competition. xD

[jagged flume]

@dry otter & @hazy brook vs @errant forge and @inland lagoon

[nova juniper]

are we disqualified now?

[mortal flame]

Two stage

[wind blaze]

Loser's bracket

[mortal flame]

You get to go again next week

[wind blaze]

So next week you can still win

[dry otter]

wait were on?

[jagged flume]

Having a European host is a popular suggestion but ultimately completely pointless since there's nobody there to actually do it, only me

Watching it after the fact for viewers is fine since I'll be re-recording particularly laggy matches

[mortal flame]

Well that's a silver lining I guess.

[jagged flume]

@shy dust & @frank pecan please join back

@inland lagoon & @errant forge join again

[unkempt gulch]

ok this time if they win i will eat double

[errant forge]

no problem hansel

2min 30sec

[jagged flume]

@dusty crescent & @unkempt gulch vs @past fiber & @proven palm are up next

The winners play stay around after winning

[unkempt gulch]

konw it

[shy dust]

stop here

[frank pecan]

No, we got the loser's brascket.

[shy dust]

hhhh

i hate my emppppppp!

[frank pecan]

There there,

[chilly barn]

Is there updated bracket?

[sacred quartz]

To go to the loser group to play sadfox

If I win, I will definitely eat my computer screen

[shy dust]

没事，我喂你

[jagged flume]

@past fiber and @proven palm vs @errant forge and @inland lagoon as our last match today

[sacred quartz]

Hansel lost???

[shy dust]

yes...

[jagged flume]

Barely, like, two seconds between a win and a loss

[hazy brook]

whaaaaaat

[hardy mulch]

good game

[frank pecan]

Was one of the best matched,

[hardy mulch]

very good game

[frank pecan]

Supper great. Dramatic.

Also proves the power of TP style.

[sacred quartz]

I think my computer screen probably won't eat

I don't think we need to fight in the loser group

[frank pecan]

GNUSMAS had a hard fight with Hansel last time, but was defeated. It was the first match of the March tournament, I remember GNUSMAS didn't continue it later and exit the tournament.

Nice to see them have a rematch now.

[sacred quartz]

Luckily, I didn't say that Hansel would eat my computer screen if I made it to the loser group

[errant forge]

huh

[frank pecan]

GGs.

[errant forge]

so thats end for today?

[jagged flume]

Yup, here's what the bracket looks like

[errant forge]

When we gonna get loser bracket?

[snow seal]

btw is lower bracket determined yet

[errant forge]

Yes?

[frank pecan]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2988713676

Just released all my tournament ships.

Also a few new one added in.

For the next few weeks I will have tones of ships to up-date......

Also hide a secret pack in it.

[chilly barn]

Not so secret anymore is it?

[frank pecan]

Would be stupid if we never share it at all since it is never a secret. But limiting its popularity by hiding it in the pack is helpful.

[chilly barn]

Lol

[desert sky]

what do it contains

[errant forge]

And thats how yugi again makes people to think Waste Ship is something that overpowered

It is good, but i wasnt even spawning them at the start of the match, there is better ways to spend credits

It is good as cheap support when you need cover asap while not having much credits

[frank pecan]

I consider it more like should be limited than overpowered these days. As it is still pollutive to the game emviroment as they are too simply with design and too easy to be picked up by new players.

[errant forge]

Just because of low skill needed to make well built Waste Ship

[frank pecan]

Yes.

For domination ships which are already unarguably small sized, that is just too simple to be attractive and long-term entertaining.

I still believe it is not proper to allow waste ships be "your first dom ship". I mean, at least a DC ship or a meta LC instead.

[errant forge]

Look at the match of Russians vs Chinesse

Hansel & AnD started swarming with capacitor ships against gnus with emps, result = Gnus & Ketcha won

Please dont make it something "secret" and "limited", thats just part of the game that need to be

[frank pecan]

I personally consider yours line-up a better example as they are more meta to me. Anyway waste ships aren't the competetive meta, they are counterable and a balanced part of the meta game. Still I don't think that makes them designs that the community should be proud of.

Overally we can chose what the game mode first appears to be for new players, and therefore I think making up oneself a bit to look better is proper. Plus it took the domination meta months to adapt to what we are like now, which I think is not fair to expect every player of every skill level to adapt the game the same way. In many cases, waste shipsa are the ratherly uncomfortable ones to deal against.

[errant forge]

Difficult to change this, as Waste Ships are very easy to build

But why is this problem for you? Begginers with Waste Ships dies anyway
After time of losing they have to think about something diffirent

I can say Waste Ships are overpowered at the low skill level matches
But on higher level its just one of decent, counterable archetypes you can use

[frank pecan]

Cause when they rise up to be great players they can and they will intereact with others, therefore form the game emviroment. Pros like us might not be affected by the popularity of a ship type we know how to counter but for other new players that is annoying, affecting their idea on the game mode and their feelings, and as far as I have seen waste ship swarm is not having a good influence to the game field.

[errant forge]

Right, but this bad influence to game field is on lower skill level only

[frank pecan]

Well you can say the whole "limit" is like a low skill level protection. However they do need space to grow high leveled, we can't ignore their need and just let everyone grow in the weild.

The "free and less meta-solid" game emviroment we had weren't there for those who came after us, and it won't be fair for us to suggest they can just play like we did. Of course it is never our reponsibility to find them a happy-cosmoteer-childhood but we can still and had better act friendly.

Not swarming waste ships is part of those friendlyness that is helpful, that isn't costy.

[errant forge]

I understand what you mean, thats right but you cant do much with this problem

Also calling it "secret" and "limited" isnt good way to start, it need to be well known thats counterable

[frank pecan]

And though for us who are already used to those designs we consider them normal, most who view the game from their own prespective would consider them "ugly""wasty” "annoying". We can't suggest they will all learn and become us then act wilfully, Our opinion won't change the fact that they are commonly disliked for being too simple

[errant forge]

Hmm sure

Yeah thatz right

[frank pecan]

Ok "secret" was more like joking. Or maybe it is another wrong chose of word of mine. Was never saying something really serious so.

[errant forge]

I agree, but then what is the solution

[frank pecan]

Well we aren't a huge community. Influencial players are few enough to know one another and make persoanl contact, making it possible for us to make an agreement, socially, to generally make waste ships appear less in casual games. That was the original idea.

[errant forge]

But they arent destructive and overpowered when its used by someone like me

Thats because i have diffirent stuff that is good or better

[frank pecan]

Ok yes I admite my words described waste ships too OP while in advanced meta it is not, but just part of the balance,

I think for dom players skilled enough to tell, this tournament already proved that.

[desert sky]

i am the proof of this argument^
mostly ugly as hell though

[surreal pecan]

---

Lotta talk.

[last cave]

to be honest, i didnt expect hansel and AnD to lose to... emp missiles... of all things

it's already been well-established those type of lighter capacitor ships just get yeeted by an entire emp salvo easily

as a new (compared to the actual dom pros) player, i really liked that chimera ship

sticking a nuke onto a DC brick

ballsy

[serene latch]

i'm surprised nobody pointed out the asymmetry in my dc rammer LOL

[snow seal]

i didn't use it

[serene latch]

i meant ppl who watched

[last cave]

too zoomed out and too quick to tell

also paint op

[serene latch]

lol

[snow seal]

no paint

[last cave]

i said paint op

where paint

[snow seal]

huh

[last cave]

xd

perhaps i could've clarified that better

[snow seal]

clarify that butter

[last cave]

budder

[last cave]

https://tenor.com/Eu33.gif

[snow seal]

mosquito

[errant forge]

yeah really nice ship

i think kinda gnus invention

[last cave]

man, i should've competed

BUT NOPE THE PEOPLE I VOUCHED FOR ARE STUPID

;-;

[errant forge]

Better luck next time

I think there gonna be dom tournament next month too

[last cave]

nice

[frank pecan]

The lay out is great for insureing the damage outbreak of the ship matches its outbreaking mobile (by which I mean the teleport tactic it adapts to), therefore very great. Also despite its layout, it noticabley has great inner defense too, providing it great flanking resistance: during the match GNUSMAS and Ketcha_ fought Hansel and AnD (or CCC team A), the ship successfully sustained its life several times after Hansel and AnD conducted their exquisite flanking and destoryed its reactor, and during that earned time those ships did successful made a few kill.

Also the TP game play of the team is great. Getting as good as I pictured and experimented lol. Obviously with skilled players and cooping our illusions about TP ships are realizeable in meta rule.
I am presuading Sad Fox to turn to my TP fleet too lol. Would be fun.

[inland lagoon]

pls pin this message saris

[unkempt gulch]

you know what？ i never tell my teammate use emp i said USED DC SHIP

[errant forge]

Yeah i suppose, i said Gnus used emp

[unkempt gulch]

if i say someone disappoints me？

[surreal pecan]

Actually a reactor is the best counter to EMP in domination in my pathetic dom knowledge.

And emp directly facepummels capper ships

The quote on quote cancer waste ships.

[errant forge]

mostly yeah, thats why i used both

reactor and capacitor ships

[hollow socket]

Or alternatively, and for cheaper, you can build a small bit of armour on the ships to soak the emp

[last cave]

both have their roles

its why you absolutely need combined arms tactics rather than a uniform shipspam

since it takes only 1 ship of a specific type to sweep several ships of another

[young jacinth]

@jagged flume Could you maybe change the setting so that different colors are given to teams instead of individual players for the next time you cast a dom game. It would make the matches a lot easier to follow.

[surreal pecan]

Who won the tournament?

[inland lagoon]

the winner will be decided this saturday, so far the finalists are me and przyjem

[last cave]

i wonder, what should the protocol be for future "laggy game" situations?

i feel like the highlight game between qawa/sal and yugi/fox was handled rather unprofessionally

especially due to lack of said proper regulation

[jagged flume]

I'll implement different solutions for it in the future, but it bears mentioning that lag has been more of a constant than exception in the past few tournaments. Sure not this bad, but participants have all been subjected to this and forced to deal with it accordingly. I'm not saying that it isn't frustrating and I'm not saying it didn't influence the match, but it's to be expected

Part of the reason I've been so flippant about this is because I was actually participating in a previous team tournament, with @serene latch, and the event dragged on for so long because of the lag that casters had to leave due to running out of allotted time, and exceedingly short matches dragged into glacial disasters

[serene latch]

i'm mostly upset about your rude and unnecessary remarks, especially those akin to "skill issue" #1020489415476396043 message to dismiss my complaints.

[jagged flume]

Complaining about external circumstances you know that I cannot control as someone who is beyond experienced with them?

Qawa, I pilot avoiders, you should know on an inherit level that I loathe lag more than anyone else, I turn the game off when forced to deal with it

[serene latch]

my point was that you brushed off my comments with "skill issue" and moved on. that could've been done more professionally and respectfully.

[jagged flume]

I'm sorry that my response wasn't ideal and that I was occupied running the tournament. I'd love to hear solutions and ideas. For future reference please also just tell me if you have an issue instead of slandering me in youtube comments

I'm not going to randomly just be unwilling to listen to the point that you have to grab my attention elsewhere and rely on public outcry

[serene latch]

i'd imagine that if the lag gets so bad to the point where you would find yourself leaving the game, it's likely frustrating for the players involved. at that point i think it'd be fair to ask if they wish to continue the match or not, for the sake of saving time and stress.

[jagged flume]

To clarify, I may be tired, you're suggesting I should have asked Sadfox and Yugi to just dip?

[serene latch]

either that or postpone the match to try to fix the issue

[jagged flume]

Postponing it wouldn't have done anything, there's no random things I could have tried short of turning off the stream for the match or having teams fight one member vs one member

[hollow socket]

Maybe in the future, you can get a second pc to stream the game using it, could reduce the lag of streaming

[upbeat ridge]

maybe not a second pc but definitely a better one at least

[hollow socket]

It's what those popular social influencers do when streaming their games, heard it's effective

[desert sky]

some*

cos twice as many pc twice as many problems

[chilly barn]

It's not saris' pc that causes the problems

Afaik

[vocal cloak]

I'm willing to offer my time to be a backup host for the second half of the tourney, my geography isn't Europe and internet may not be ideal but it may alleviate some of the lag for certain players.

[sharp bane]

maybe when I'm in uni since I'll have my own room, but that's not a promise

[autumn maple]

My laptop is causing more lag lol

[errant forge]

How is it with streaming, that would be pain to split and make two youtube streams beacause of eu host
I mean saris can join game hosted from europe to stream it but then he probably gonna lag

[snow seal]

the eu host can stream thru saris's channel also

[sharp bane]

hmm you'd probably need some sort of system that can take two streams as inputs and switch between them

which seems complex but probably premade solutions exist?

[upbeat ridge]

obs exists, you just need to have the streams

[snow seal]

idea: so since saris plans to recast the laggy matches offstream

what if we had multiple games running simultaneously

with hosts from different regions depending on whats needed

and then saris just watches the recs on stream

[upbeat ridge]

well, it's not chess but it'd speed up matches among players who are close to each other

[autumn maple]

i mean it is not that much of a problem if lag is prevented bc, noone really wants to view a match that goes 0.5 frames per seconds

[fast oracle]

i would do the first round of the elim in parallel, yeah.

[raven fern]

We could forgo hosts altogether in that case.
Every player fights his opponent and then pings Saris with the results and the replays. Saris can then watch them all in a row, completely removing the loss of time spent in lobbies.

[snow seal]

having a scheduled time to do combats is important too, but i might end up procrastinating all my fights

also kinda need an officiator

[raven fern]

At the given time in the tournament information document, Saris could ping the participants letting them know they may begin their battles of the first stage.
In the last elimination tournament there was 10 mins per match. In the case of a best of 3, we could say that the players have 40 mins to play their matches and send the replays to saris.
Why would you need an officiator?

[snow seal]

to verify and stuff?

impersonation isnt really a problem but it could be..

[raven fern]

If each player in a match submits the replays then that shouldn't be an issue. If you really want to add another layer of assurance in case of impersonation, both players can right click on the opponent to get their steam ID and submit that as well.

I've played a bunch of tournaments on other games that use this system. Works pretty well

[surreal pecan]

Honestly it being live makes it much more of a fun event to tune in and more of an experience, if you get what I mean, it has much more anticipation and hype towards it I'd say. With what you suggested sure it'd be more convenient and quicker, but it'd feel more like a reaction to an already done stream from the hosts' end than an actual event.

Also hosts would not have control over the games, so somebody could cheat very subtly and nobody could find out (because y'know it'd be a .rec file replay I'd imagine and hosts would never be able to see what actually happened in the lobbies, nor show that in the stream itself).

[serene latch]

pros

• smoother and faster tournament
• no lag
• convenient/accessible

cons

• cheating concerns
• not truly "live" which can affect reactions from host/audience

i'd be down for this system honestly but y'all can weigh ur opinions

[serene latch]

not sure if i'm missing anything

[sweet saffron]

how to cheat ??

[serene latch]

lobby settings

speed control

idk

[hollow socket]

Turn Illegal ships on and use an illegal ship

[sweet saffron]

but if the fight is recorded, you can tell if the ship is too large or has stuff in exclusion zones or, most obviously, spawns with broken parts

[snow seal]

no lag isnt guaranteed

[jagged flume]

That plan relies on having people to help me. I'm not going to have players mediate themselves when they can rarely find the password without me sharing it 8 times per event

[surreal pecan]

So true.

That was my initial point too.

Hosts loose their much-needed control.

[serene latch]

no lag in replay; less lag in game

[sharp bane]

imo if this system is considered, we first need a more robust replay system from Walt

one that preferably tracks the chat and has controllable game speed

[chilly barn]

I think it can still work with the current replay system

[errant forge]

and i think we dont need to change current streaming/hosting system, as everything was fine, even if thats 2v2, besides yugi that was streaming it to china
Thats really nice and no offence to him but that was just the only real problem with lags, even if that was 2v2, we dont need to change whole streaming/hosting system beacuze of that

[raven fern]

The main benefit I see is a tournament that can be finished within a reasonable time margin

[serene latch]

i swear tournaments have been getting longer ;-;

[spring fable]

more people started playing

like me

[nova juniper]

Whats the losers bracket looking like

[errant forge]

Yeah i was asking for this too, as it could be already created i think

[nova juniper]

Who are all the losers

[errant forge]

Everyone is loser except me 😎

[sweet saffron]

can't be a loser when you never fight

[jagged flume]

People who never try have automatically lost

[vivid ore]

having an issue with beeing online for the second part of the tourney - sadly becoming more unlikely

[snow seal]

i went to the froggie shop to buy a paragon, they were out of stock so i bought an expert

[serene latch]

no paragons in stock, sad

[snow seal]

yeah hopefully an expert will suffice to win the tourney

[errant forge]

There is nearly unlkmjted amount of paragons in froggie shop

[oak belfry]

Wtf are u talking about?theres is infinite amount of paragons in froggie shop

[oak belfry]

you have to buy something in shop, not just give them a note titled qawa

the cashier then give u paragon, if there wasnt paragon u wouldnt be able to buy anything!!

[hollow socket]

Is this bit still going?

[oak belfry]

i needed to settle something

they dont understand how paragon works in froggie shop

[errant forge]

It have never ever ended probably

Because of the supply

[frank pecan]

This will be another long message and I hope my English mistake won't be serious......
On the lag issue:
As a member of the team that caused the worst lag I can promise it was no enjoyment for us either. It took me 5s just to cancel a ship from my line up. The lag affects command badly. I totally agree Qawa's, Nhovah's and many more's opinion, that lag is laying back the tournament's fairness and fun.
As for CCC, obviously the existence of the firewall is making us a especially laggy group. We have been working on technical sollutions and as one of the CCC manager I can promise we are able to guarantee more players stably connect to the tournament host with the valuable experience we gained recently. However there will still likely have accidents.

In CCC we can promote connection-check for players signing up, but we won't stop laggy players from joining as it is the player's own right to decide whether they join or not. CCC only provide them support, controling them is beyond our proper power, against the basic will of CCC players. We will exhort players who have terrible lag but we still persue solutions that allow all to attend if possible. Specific arrangment for laggy players will still be up to the tournament rule and all of the tournament players and host. CCC accept and support arrangements from the tournment host, still, we hope your arrangement will be flexable, leaving room for technically solving network issues and confer between involved players.
I think, for laggy (definned by host and other tournament players) players, it should be up to their opponents to decide whether their fight should continue. Also as lag is often related to the connection between players instead of just between player and host, switching brasket match up may help. Measures like perpare "lag risky" players a more flexable match up group and let players from close region fight first helps.
Here, I also appologize for the mess caused in those matches. Gaming and streaming at same time seems too much of a stress for my net and maybe I should just focus on hosting for CCC next time. It is not an honor to ruin fun, competition and the judge of fairness.

P.S. I know it is terrible for Qawa and Salephz as they already suffered from connection lost 3 times before finally meet the most laggy team on field. I would argue whether lag made the diference that match (I think the eventual resualt won't change if there weren't lag, as the deciding tactic desicions and mistakes both team made that match are't lag decided, nor did any side gained an actual advantage from that lag, though I agree technically lag may be game changing if the game carries to the stage micro and melee turned deciding) but I agree it isn't fun and could be just way better. I almost quit game in the middle as well.

[frank pecan]

You two are close off line? Sweet.

[jagged flume]

Thanks for all the effort and attention you seem to always be giving Yugi. Given that you recognize that the lag isn't enjoyable for all parties, I have to ask what your thoughts are on dropping out of the tournament and Qawa and Salephz instead moving on. I of course won't force it, but it may be for the best

[frank pecan]

We won't quit, but we accept a rematch if Qawa and Salephz or the hosts demend one. If in the rematch the lag is decidingly terrible (defined by Qawa and Salephz, would be fair if they decide within the first minute of the match), that will be accepted as a count down of our connection chances. And if our two chances runs out, we quit.

[jagged flume]

That works for me. I'll need to see how Qawa and Salephz feel though

[hollow socket]

" ccc"?

[snow seal]

chinese competitive community

[errant forge]

chinese cosmoteer community

[snow seal]

oh

[serene latch]

what about cccc--competitive chinese cosmoteer community

[spring fable]

cccc&c competitive chinese community comsoteer & carreer

[sweet saffron]

wouldn't it be c&cccc career & competitive chinese community comsoteer

[spring fable]

it should be cc&ccc--chinese carreer &competitive cosmoteer comunity

[sweet saffron]

ccc&ccc - communist chinese carreer & competitive cosmoteer comunity

[errant forge]

ccccccccccccccccccc - Caringly, committed, collaborative comrades conscientiously construct creative, cohesive, culturally-conscious, continuously communicating, competitive, Communist Chinese classic cosmoteer career community.

[serene latch]

instead of career & competitive, wouldn't casual & competitive be more fitting?

[errant forge]

ah, yeah

i actually see i could add much more words there

[upbeat ridge]

did y'all mean 269440024892744038382813232 m³/s³

[snow seal]

qawa and i have thought for a while and decided that we will accept our current position in the losers bracket, yugi and sadfox have worked on their connection issues and we believe they should still be able to participate

@jagged flume

[frank pecan]

Sad Fox and I acknowleged.

[frank pecan]

Also for any team that fell into lag when against me and sad fox, this works the same to you.^

[errant forge]

Worth to mention, i have played against yugi too and connection wasnt that bad

[errant forge]

Ah tournament today

Good Luck

[dry otter]

when will saris be posting the tourney bracket?

[errant forge]

Probably while before start, however as i said it could be already created i think

[hazy brook]

you can look on the website and calculate what player is where

i believe lumi and i go against vochi and slow first

[errant forge]

Im the final boss of the bracket 😛

[hazy brook]

lol im hoping for second but we'll have to fight hansel for that

[still cairn]

Hoping I dont get Qawa first round

[hazy brook]

doesnt look like it, youre going against twrecks and spacecat

well if saris does the tournament right

you and name got the same fate as we did lol

won the first round but then got destroyed by a pro

[past fiber]

We don't seem to exist

[hazy brook]

oh yeah i forgot you beat hansel

well if we get there we might fight you

[gilded spindle]

count me as checked in

[surreal pecan]

Why the cooldown.

[jagged flume]

Because people are really obnoxious about it otherwise when I'm trying to have clarity and nothing else

[surreal pecan]

Wait the tournament is this early that people are already checking in?

[upbeat ridge]

bro gonna get eliminated at this rate 💀

[surreal pecan]

Damn, every previous tournament was on 11pm for me 😔

[upbeat ridge]

i know that feeling

[nova juniper]

💀

[snow seal]

wheres my teammate

[odd zealot]

Dead.

[snow seal]

huuuh

[surreal pecan]

Went to get milk.

[autumn maple]

Saaaaaris also went to get milk

[jagged flume]

I think you murdered him Salephz

Gimme a minute or few

[snow seal]

whaaa naaaahh

[bright anchor]

qawa is victim of niger hunting

[autumn maple]

wat

[errant forge]

I thought he is white

[fast oracle]

????

[autumn maple]

???????????????????????

racsism moment

[surreal pecan]

💀

[bright anchor]

niger cuntry in afraica

[surreal pecan]

Also the slur is with two G-s I think.

Yeah.

[snow seal]

qawa is chinese

[errant forge]

Ah yellow

[snow seal]

BRUH

[surreal pecan]

Aren't most Asians Mongoloids?

[autumn maple]

?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

[odd zealot]

...

[fast oracle]

...

[snow seal]

no? tf u talking about nick

[surreal pecan]

Well most asians.

I thought that.

[odd zealot]

Nick how high are you?

[autumn maple]

thats even more racsist

[snow seal]

no bruh..

[snow seal]

hight

[surreal pecan]

1,78 I think.

I don't know if I measured properly tape measure is hard to use.

[snow seal]

give me some

[odd zealot]

centermiters?

[surreal pecan]

Well in an internet scenario breathing can be considered racist.

I genuinely thought that was the case.

[autumn maple]

eww

he is a breather

[surreal pecan]

This is kinda off topic lol.

[sharp bane]

it's a dated european word that's generally considered offensive now

[nova juniper]

i am gone for 4 minutes

[sharp bane]

:/

[fast oracle]

tournament chat moment

[nova juniper]

what is this

[surreal pecan]

Ahhh I see.

[nova juniper]

mongool?

[sharp bane]

why does it always come down to these convos here. or is that just the entire discord and I only see this chat?

[jagged flume]

I love

Having

To moderate

[snow seal]

no this channel is just always like this

[jagged flume]

On event dates

It really shouldn't be

[surreal pecan]

At this point it feels like this thread should have cooldown.

Of like ~10 seconds

[odd zealot]

||Give me mod i can help with that.||

[jagged flume]

Nursing a headache and the there's just morons too

[nova juniper]

[jagged flume]

@safe marsh you awake

Who leaves discord online over night

[nova juniper]

cosmoteer discord server is going to have a 50% banrate

[surreal pecan]

Understatement.

[odd zealot]

This channel yeah.

Lets go higher!

[surreal pecan]

No no no just stop-

[odd zealot]

lel joking ofc

[jagged flume]

?warn 1134835611124125786 slurs, pushing the envelope, whatever

[hybrid holly]

szybkikazik42#0 has been warned.

[autumn maple]

lmao

[jagged flume]

I'm happy to give out more so probably just

Stay on topic for once

[autumn maple]

anarchy when

[snow seal]

bruh whats wrong with doing this?

[nova juniper]

balls are viable for domination?????

[fast oracle]

calm down let saris manage the tourney...

[autumn maple]

can we have loser bracket

in advance?

[snow seal]

^

[desert sky]

to be fair it's your job

[jagged flume]

So is being annoying but I see you're taking care of that one just fine

[snow seal]

not my teammate being 18 mins late

[jagged flume]

They're not late if the event hasn't started

[snow seal]

exactlyyy

[frank pecan]

CCC streaming on. When do we start?

[jagged flume]

Soonish!

Technical difficulties, deepest apologies

[frank pecan]

Roger. Good luck.

[surreal pecan]

I went away for a while and I thought I'd be warned when I come back because bigotry violation or something.

Anyways, how is dom meta lookin' currently, to stay on topic at least.

Are rails any good?

[jagged flume]

Please stop pinging me I'll block you if you do it again today

[surreal pecan]

Jesus it was accidental.

[errant forge]

Salephz was using Rail Orbiter

[surreal pecan]

So the racking up 1.5mil and then playing with a single large ship or a smaller one?

[errant forge]

Nah, smaller rail orbiter

[surreal pecan]

Also rails are extremely micro-intensive weapons so I always imagined them bad in dom.

Yugi has this weird ship but not sure how good it'd be as rails shine in numbers.

(In numbers I mean multiple rails per ship)

[errant forge]

Yeah thats true, thats why its not popular however as Sal using it on DC mode, is not that super bad

[surreal pecan]

Being on dc in domination, very bold.

Only using one ship at a time, because you can't dc multiple, and I don't think you can send commands to other ships when in dc either.

[errant forge]

Thatz why it can be done only at 2v2 with good effect

[sharp bane]

yeah salephz used it very effectively, was quite hard to deal any damage when they had a DC and rail ship on the same point

[nova juniper]

bruh what is this

[surreal pecan]

It's a rail ship.

I think you are able to see it.

Also it has nice simple paint.

[jagged flume]

I hope you guys like the most scuffed bracket you've ever seen

[sharp bane]

yay!

I was trying to imagine in my head how it would look and could not, so I abstracted it away as 3.5 rounds in the uneven brackets

looking forward to seeing the actual solution :D

[jagged flume]

Fortunately Spacecat dropped out

[snow seal]

still technical difficulties?

[jagged flume]

@gilded spindle & @odd zealot vs @waxen pollen & @zealous quarry are up first

[odd zealot]

@gilded spindle General 1 ples

@gilded spindle

[snow seal]

he's already gotten 3 pings..

[past fiber]

can I find out where we are in the grid?

[snow seal]

#tournament-announcements

[jagged flume]

Nobody reads #tournament-announcements 😔

[odd zealot]

i did

[jagged flume]

Ok actually, @nova juniper and their partner vs @still cairn & @hardy mulch

Are up first

[past fiber]

We're not there, that's why I'm asking

[nova juniper]

pass?

[odd zealot]

Thank you so much.

[sacred quartz]

？

[nova juniper]

@sacred quartz

[jagged flume]

Ah I see

The password is moon, adding you Gnusmas

[hardy mulch]

oh?

[jagged flume]

Fixed Gnusmas!

[past fiber]

thanks

[errant forge]

so im not clearly in bracket

[jagged flume]

You won the winners sooooo you'll face the winner of the current one

How do I pronounce your name please Przyjem

[autumn maple]

Prz

[errant forge]

Pshy-yem, however you can use polish translator to check it

however im fine to call me Prizejem how you did it before

[jagged flume]

@sharp bane & @autumn maple vs @dry otter & @hazy brook

[odd zealot]

@gilded spindle Come here ples

[gilded spindle]

Hi

[autumn maple]

already

dwamn

[desert sky]

saris is so piss off

[gilded spindle]

@jagged flume Sorry about that

[surreal pecan]

I always called ''Pi ar zi Jem'' for some reason.

[jagged flume]

@gilded spindle & @odd zealot vs @serene latch & @snow seal

[frank pecan]

Mine.
All origins from jun(0)'s work.

[errant forge]

Qawa this 2dc back protection..

[gilded spindle]

Salephz you sorry man

[snow seal]

huh?

[jagged flume]

@still cairn & @hardy mulch vs @dry otter & @hazy brook up next

[hardy mulch]

les goo

[frank pecan]

@snow seal@serene latchR.I.P.

[errant forge]

@jagged flume

[tame ruin]

@jagged flume bracket is covering

[inland lagoon]

@jagged flume overlay

[unkempt gulch]

@jagged flume

: (

[surreal pecan]

A very weird missile orbiter.

[errant forge]

@jagged flume thats one of the most interesting matches : (

[frank pecan]

They all seems so.

[surreal pecan]

Everybody pingin'

[tame ruin]

thats 5 pings ignored

[icy oxide]

@jagged flume

[tame ruin]

6

[icy oxide]

Lmao

[errant forge]

both sleeping...
tape dont move and hollow dont target

[frank pecan]

It is understandable for players to miss some detail but staring that for ten seconds longer is still a pain for audiance.

[errant forge]

yeah especially on tournament terms

[frank pecan]

They literally kept that until the moment that waste 4LC run out of ammo.

[upbeat ridge]

proud of my continued contributions to the dom community

[jagged flume]

@dusty crescent & @unkempt gulch vs @gilded spindle & @odd zealot

[unkempt gulch]

1

[serene latch]

heh.. all my contributions are outdated because classic

except for autoram ig

[unkempt gulch]

time out

[dry otter]

that just... pains me

:/

[frank pecan]

It is ok, you two fought a close and great one,

By the way close fight happened a lot these daya lmao.

[jagged flume]

It was a great match though

Close and tense the entire way through

[dry otter]

its mainly bc i had like 400k~ spare when we lost ._.

[jagged flume]

@shy dust & @frank pecan vs @still cairn & @hardy mulch

[snow seal]

woa

[frank pecan]

Wait let me finish with streaming Hansel' game.

[still cairn]

we are coming

[frank pecan]

Wait my game seems crashing lmao.

I can't luanch it. Almost.

[nova juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/nut-cum-jizz-horny-dick-gif-21213004

[unkempt gulch]

🤨

[vital spindle]

🤨

[jagged flume]

@dusty crescent & @unkempt gulch you guys are up next!

[unkempt gulch]

ok

[jagged flume]

?warn @nova juniper rule six stop. You're not funny, and you're making people uncomfortable

[hybrid holly]

zemakos#0 has been warned.

[jagged flume]

@upbeat ridge look there you go

[upbeat ridge]

thanks

[frank pecan]

GG guys.

Finally just streaming for me.

[surreal pecan]

What did mako do.

Just little trolling I suppose, nothing bad

[tame ruin]

Saris I cannot decide if you're more or less funny when you are tired

[surreal pecan]

Lol.

[surreal pecan]

Yugi, shouldn't've the match where name disconnected be redone?

Well hollow somehow won anyways, but still...

[unkempt gulch]

:/

[surreal pecan]

Whatever.

[jagged flume]

Doesn't matter if the team member wins solo

[unkempt gulch]

time out

[surreal pecan]

No, I mean if hollow lost.

[still cairn]

No Because if you are ahead, correct me if im wrong you are allowed to continue?

Oh

[jagged flume]

You're allowed to continue regardless if you want to

[still cairn]

GGS Yugi you played really well

[frank pecan]

Thanks, though to be frank the tactic you two pick was very great against us.

[errant forge]

you said the same after fightin me 😛

anyway well played, nice match

[frank pecan]

Thanks, though to be frank the tactic you two pick was very great against us.

lmao

[still cairn]

GGwp Hansel you just outclassed us haha.

[jagged flume]

@past fiber & @proven palm are now up next

[frank pecan]

You two played better than expectation at least.

[still cairn]

Thanks Yugi

[unkempt gulch]

brb

[errant forge]

saris my final opponents have to beat me twice?

[jagged flume]

Yes because you never lost once

[errant forge]

good

[upbeat ridge]

you may need the buffer

[jagged flume]

@errant forge and @inland lagoon you guys now

[frank pecan]

A interesting fact: Hansel dislikes using auto orbiting cause he manuls better,** faster as well**.

@errant forge @inland lagoon @unkempt gulch @dusty crescent
Good luck people.
*Ah, all great friends.

By the way that whole cunfusing ship is actually a Chinese meme.

The meme is from a comic famous for a stunning imagination and......insane humor. The meme plot that the picture is about is basic the hero being tortured ||raped|| by 4 muscular male, with tools including the fruit in the picture ||(introduced as ".....And their secret weapon bring you endless surprises hahaha.......")||.
My personal advice is never watch that comic yourself. You never know what a Hongkong comic could be like in the 90s.

[upbeat ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-goro-majima-watermelon-video-game-gif-17741515

[upbeat ridge]

okay tmi tmi

[nova juniper]

bruh im gonna get banned for an opinion

[nova juniper]

what

[desert sky]

have 1v1 dom tourney been considered? (i would like to get the arguments against it)
imean-- i belive it would help alot with the lag and disconnections

[serene latch]

gg?

[desert sky]

well played @unkempt gulch @dusty crescent!!!
and congrats to the tourney winners

[serene latch]

GG

@unkempt gulch you have won my heart with that ship ha ha

[desert sky]

same

[frank pecan]

I think Hansel deserves to share a champion here for playing 1v2 for that long and with 350k disadvantaged. It was insane.

And it is great to see Hansel still got humor at the final.

[jagged flume]

AnD and Hansel Cat already have champion roles, actually

Second place is really impressive even if it's not first

[surreal pecan]

GGs!

I think Przyjem is the first person in history of the game to have a champ role in both Elim and Dom.

Or at least the first in modern.

So good job on that.

[frank pecan]

Title a special honor in annoncement maybe.

[errant forge]

what can i say, we revenged on Hansel after March tournament

[surreal pecan]

What happened in march?

Oh right you got 2nd place.

[errant forge]

yeah

[still cairn]

Hansel had humour Przyjem raved

[frank pecan]

Your line up and game play improved greatly as everyone can see so I will say fair.

[surreal pecan]

So true.

Rave spam carried team Toniejem.

[serene latch]

i've fallen off a lot

[inland lagoon]

tego nie bede jadl

[still cairn]

Is anD pronounced A N D or and

[odd zealot]

NIe jedz

[unkempt gulch]

but i rickroll eveyone

[errant forge]

To nie będe jadł

[serene latch]

somebody take me back to the classic days i need to get good again

[still cairn]

Never gave up with that secret weapon, surprised toniejem didn't forfeit out of fear

[errant forge]

gog made mod that brings back classic cosmoteer

[inland lagoon]

nie jem dżemu

[still cairn]

I can't read polish tonie

[inland lagoon]

i know that

[still cairn]

Let me get my translater

[unkempt gulch]

ty

[still cairn]

You don't eat jam tonie?

[unkempt gulch]

❤️

[inland lagoon]

toniejem

nie jem tego

[frank pecan]

I helped painted all other Hansel's line-up this time too, but it is this single one that isn't by me that moved me most.......
To Hansel's honer:

[odd zealot]

Ofc Saris pinned this. :3

[jagged flume]

It's funny

I want Tournament chat to be a place of fun memories and enjoyment

[serene latch]

i still find this funny

[frank pecan]

They says "hate lasts".

[odd zealot]

I mean what can i say?
Sariss pins are the best.

[hollow socket]

What was happening, saw some stuff scrolling down

[frank pecan]

Also I just got a sad news that due to work issue, this may be the last time player AnD may get a chance to attend tournament. AnD is satisfied about his score and he want to say it is an honor to compete with all of you here and bring some fun for cosmoteer players, globaly. He will still play cosmoteer in his free time, possibly casually making esthetical large ships.
"Thank you all for the wonderful time we had."
For him, it is bed time now. After the excitment tonight, he promises us he will enjoy good dreams.

[errant forge]

im annoyed because of those disconnetions, we couldnt have whole clear final match
there was three disconnections, as it was every time when i had nearly sure win

[frank pecan]

Technician here is getting creepy just trying to solve them......that was another never seen state. I really hope we eventually carry out some better solutions for the lag. For now, thanks for the torlerance of all of you.

[errant forge]

so next month we have dom 1v1 tournament, yeah?

[frank pecan]

I will prepae my screen shot software.

[jagged flume]

I've kinda had my heart set on modded elim 1v1 for a while now, but I'd love to do 1v1 dom at some point

I'm also interested in what the domination community would have to say about the same mod, though I don't know if it'd be necessary to do an entire modded dom tournament for it

[errant forge]

im sure for dom we would need diffirent mods than for elim, however in opinion of me, my partner and some other players vanilla 1v1 would be better

[hollow socket]

I only do vanilla, would not participate in modded

[frank pecan]

On mods, the difficulty is we disagree changing current meta designs, but chooses to improve and readjust currantly none meta weapons so they can be enriching into a new balance of the game. That however refers to a lot of balancing.

[jagged flume]

Well that's the point, the idea is that the mod is applied to the game universally, but it requires close to unanimous agreement as being a beneficial change to all facets of the game including domination, hence there being testing there too

[errant forge]

Yeah lot of people said the same

[jagged flume]

Case in point: Blasters: they need to be buffed, they're rarely used in elimination and were almost completely unseen in the recent event. Etc

[hollow socket]

Yea, lasers have fallen off in recent times

[errant forge]

i hope @bright anchor gonna participate next dom tourney as he use lasers with great effect

[frank pecan]

On modded tournament, the hardest part we thought would be was saving rarly useful weapons like mines, however that may turned out the simplest part, as balanceing useable but just comparetivily weak weapons like lasers are likely to be the hardest part, as the conciqunce of the adjustment is very hard to predict.

[hollow socket]

I wonder if lasers were more energy efficient would make them more useful

[jagged flume]

The fact that nearly all of the top dom players didn't use them is telling that they're garbage

[inland lagoon]

i guide the red nebulas

[jagged flume]

Currently the main idea for blasters it to make them have much higher velocity and damage, and then make cannons longer ranged weapons, etc. But I'll reserve further discussion when the mod is actually ready to be shared

[hollow socket]

As a 6 cannon no reactor ship just doesn't use energy, and lasers need a lotta energy

[hollow socket]

What about a domination mod for your tournament where ammo is as expensive as reactor

[errant forge]

i was speaking with yugi about those mods, i think we could try to make proposal changes for dom, however still im sure vanilla would bring more players, as a lot of them declared they wont participate on modded

[jagged flume]

The idea is balance not memes. If I want memes I can use redstone's "everything is nukes"

[frank pecan]

I would agree. Reducing energy cost encourages players to place more of them without upgrading to bigger reactors, which is quit important. However how much should it exactly goes is quit a issue, always.

[fast oracle]

are you winning son

oh przy and tonie won congrats

[errant forge]

dad im winning

[desert sky]

hence why it's modded
from what i've understood is to test the meta and see what work

[surreal pecan]

Very honorable indeed.

[frank pecan]

A personal thank for all players I cooped painting with during this tournament: it was amazing to have a chance to paint all these amazing ships and I hope they honor the friendship of all of us.

[errant forge]

As you was alone today Saris, i need to say that was very nice commentary

[nova juniper]

is that a ion kite

[frank pecan]

You mean the top middle? Oh yes it is 100% a ion kitter, nice to see all of you notice this brand new ion kitter design by Hansel. lmao.

[nova juniper]

😂

[surreal pecan]

The red and grey still seems a bit jarring to me.

[vivid ore]

... aaand missed it

[frank pecan]

There there.

[last cave]

it do be like that sometimes

[errant forge]

I have observed dom is much more popular gamemode in eastern culture, like china, russia, poland... people from those regions mosly play dom, as elim is popular in US

I try to imagine what cause it

[hardy mulch]

communism

[past fiber]

I also think that you need to set up the domination mode so that you can summon any ships, but only those whose cost exceeds the minimum cost of ships will be able to capture points

Just without this, a bunch of small ships are constantly on the points and do not allow them to be captured, this and the garbage fleet is much superior to other tactics

[jagged flume]

Minimum capture price rather than minimum price period? I'll suggest that to Walt

[past fiber]

Thanks

[vivid ore]

remember when capturing speed was tied to ship size ...

[jagged flume]

Was that ever the case

[serene latch]

i don't think it was a thing even back in classic

[errant forge]

Gnus... its gonma be pain

[past fiber]

well, it depends on how to set it up, but it seems to me that the garbage fleet is too strong now

[errant forge]

It gonna make it even stronger

As there wont be min. limit

Also its not as strong as you sayin, hansel as a master of this radical style gameplay couldnt beat me that easly

[unkempt gulch]

i agree

😉

[frank pecan]

As capacitor powering is officially adapted in as a basic game set, I don't think it is a thing for those cheap swarmers to exist in meta. Plus as Przyjem have said, they are not OP, but a counterable part of the system.

[vivid ore]

yes it was - maybe only in an RC
afair it was also possible to capture if you had a bigger ship then your opponent in the cirlce.
Was an interesting mechanic.

viable again?

[spring fable]

srry about the old message ping but Bwead0 is my cousin who said nobody cares about paint and im starting to get him into PvP, not sure what he thinks about ist atm

[tough prism]

Oh, could someone tell me what exactly the "illegal nuke" thing is?

It doesn't make much sense to me

(and I'm too lazy to search)

[raven fern]

nukes able to fire outside of their firing arc

[tough prism]

Ahhh, I see, so that one move I did a while back was an illegal nuke, thx for clearing it up

[surreal pecan]

15K tournament when.

I am ready for it >:)

[errant forge]

Thats why we have min. ship limit

That would be just pain to watch and play, nothing else

[surreal pecan]

What do you mean?

I meant a literal 15K tournament.

Elimination, and max amount of money/budget is 15K.

[icy oxide]

How many archetypes we have on 15k? 1.5 archetype? Lmao

[unkempt gulch]

what the

[serene latch]

i'd actually be interested in a 500k tournament

[surreal pecan]

2! There's a cannon ship, a blaster ship, and diagonal versions of both.

[surreal pecan]

Yes please 500K is an underrated price margin.

I have what I consider to be a very solid missile kite (I've made A LOT of missile kites for 500K) at that price range. Has bad upkeep because... Crew limitations, but otherwise basically perfect in most areas.

[gilded spindle]

I would also like to see 2 mil again tbh

[vivid ore]

i challenge you 😉

always liked 1mil better then 1.5 mil.
... a 1.5mil is a 1mil with 500K spam added

[jagged flume]

I bet that you'll still complain when you lose though 😛

[vivid ore]

just played 1.5 too much ...
the dom tourney was rly refreshing

[surreal pecan]

The blaster babby: "Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be LEGENDARY!!!"

[errant forge]

I remember when Luke was complaoning about matchup when he played mirror long time ago

[surreal pecan]

Imagine complaining about a matchup in a mirror 💀

[upbeat ridge]

you could complain about the rust you have lol

[surreal pecan]

RUST I TELL YA!

[hazy brook]

YES PLS 15K tournament

i am the master of tiny ships after all

[errant forge]

i am przyjem after all

[hazy brook]

guns are overrated

[surreal pecan]

That's an awfully low amount of thrust for a sumo ship...

[hazy brook]

this aint a sumo ship

this just wastes the other ships ammo

and the thrust is the least of the problems

[errant forge]

You know energy gonna drain anyway

Mostly no one can destroy each other, maybe only with small cannon if its possible to make it 15k

[surreal pecan]

I've made 4 plausible designs with the 15K concept, those being a regular and diagonal versions of a single small blaster and single small cannon ships. Both of these weapons have great preload, with 16 shots preloaded each.

[errant forge]

When we gonna get next tournament annoucement?

[chilly barn]

Never!!!
If plan stays the same it will be elim or Dom with balance mod

[errant forge]

I dont think so if dom will be modded, as it would need completly diffirent changes than elim, and dom players wants vanilla

[inland lagoon]

pretty sure most of the dom community wants a vanilla dom tournament, not to mention the rebalance mod gives a little too much power to deck cannons which are already meta

Rebalance mod, which isnt really compatible with dom, and dom metas

[errant forge]

Yeah, as an example HE Missiles in elim are even bit too good, but in dom buff would be fine

[inland lagoon]

so trying to make a rebalance mod for dom would take a lot of time, not to mention not a lot of mod-makers know much about the current dom meta, theres no need to spend time on something the dom community doesnt even want

[errant forge]

I dont understand why elim players wants to change our dom meta if they dont even play it

i can say very very little changes for dom would be fine, but me and very most of dom players dont want to make dom dependent by mods

[jagged flume]

You guys miss the point of the rebalance mod; it's to make the game more balanced, and to be implemented into vanilla.

The balance mod isn't a temporary thing and the tournament using it would be for sake of getting feedback from community members to get a more idealized version of the game. It's not that I want to force you guys to use the mod, it's that I want the game to be more balanced for everything including domination

[errant forge]

But every gamemode needs diffirent changes, thats the problem

Elim rebalance mod, makes dom more unbalanced

[jagged flume]

The point is to have universal changes because it's going to be vanilla at some point

[errant forge]

I was thinking with yugi about universal changes, after time we decided its nearly impossible to make. Making universal rebalance mod force us to balance between dom and elim, so in result both gamemodes wouldnt be really fixed and balanced

[jagged flume]

You deciding anything is pointless, Walt is never going to implement single-moded balance

[topaz rune]

You lost me at your about me

[errant forge]

Im just saying you wont make universal rebalance mod for both gamemodes, if you wont destroy dom

[jagged flume]

Oh yeah, speaking of your about me it's a massive violation of several rules. Please change it sometime in the next soon

[jagged flume]

And the thing is that assuming it won't work out is incredibly unconstructive. If you won't work with me then I'm forced to recommend changes to Walt that will be problematic, as opposed to helping me find ones that are beneficial to both

[topaz rune]

Walt isn't interested in balancing for multiple game modes. The balance mod was designed to work in both game modes. It's doing a pretty good job at it so far

[errant forge]

Sure judge me by something you completly dont understand

[topaz rune]

There are enough naughty words in there to get the point across

[errant forge]

I know you were playing dom in classic, however actuall changes from rebalance mod makes dom unbalanced.
Few quick examples for now:

• Missiles in elim need nerf, in dom need buff
• Cannons in dom are best meta weapon, in rebalance mod you mostly buffed it

[topaz rune]

That doesn't change the fact that Walt only wants one game balance across all modes. Balance changes are healthy. Metas may change and I for one think that's a good thing.

[errant forge]

Thats right, making more than one game balance wouldnt be good

[inland lagoon]

we never had a 1v1 vanilla dom tournament, im pretty sure most of the domination community also wants a vanilla one, this way we can show the real dom winner in a fun, vanilla and true way, not to mention domination is hard to balance, and the meta most likely wont change in the near future, especially when the mod aims to buff cannons further, but nerf weapons that need a long awaited buff in dom, so instead, we can make this one vanilla 1v1 dom tournament, and after the tournament hopefully the meta will be known enough to balance the next modded domination tournaments in a good, and actually balanced way, as theres no way domination and elimination can share the same rebalance mod, these are 2 separate gamemodes, and they need 2 separate mods to satisfy both playerbases, so its also important to listen to domination players feedback, this way you can understand what needs to be buffed, or nerfed in the next tournaments, so it would be of good interest of the domination community if this (dom) tournament was 1v1 vanilla, dom never had any true 1v1 tournaments in the past, so it would be really cool if we could have ONE (or perhaps more) 1v1 vanilla tournament to satisfy the domination community and so we can settle on whos the true domination winner in a fun way, and possibly help establishing rebalance mods for other domination tournaments

in short, it would be great if the currently planned domination tournament was vanilla

[topaz rune]

Have you read the mod patch notes?

[inland lagoon]

this whole paragraph i was trying to tell you how much the domination community wants a vanilla tournament instead of a modded one, i have read the latest changes the rebalance mod is gonna implement and i dont think giving deck cannons the range of ions, and empowering ballistic weapons is a good idea especially in a gamemode where deck cannons are already meta, so i offered if we can have the current planned domination tournament a vanilla one, we can discuss what mods would work best for the balance of domination, and perhaps make other weapons viable for the upcoming modded tournaments (mines, lasers, ions etc.)
which would probably satisfy both, as the domination community gets one wanted vanilla tournament, and you also get a modded tournament in the future which will show new meta, and other weapons and not only cannons

[jagged flume]

I'll host a vanilla one first. Lets establish that (alongside nerfing deck cannons) but after that would you be willing to help or whatever

[topaz rune]

So you're aware that lasers were also heavily buffed?

[inland lagoon]

lasers were not buffed as hard as cannons, not to mention almost all types of cannons now have a bigger range than lasers, and have comparable range to ions

deck cannons now have a higher range than ions, and were already meta

[wind ermine]

Lasers were buffed from 900 to 1300 damage, that's a 45% buff

[topaz rune]

That sounds like a huge freaking buff to me

[inland lagoon]

and deck cannons range was buffed 100%, faster reload rate, less spread, and more projectile speed

[topaz rune]

You said cannons were buffed and other weapons that needed a buff were nerfed. Didn't lasers need a buff?

[inland lagoon]

lasers did get a buff, but its not enough

[topaz rune]

Deck cannons received a 20% ROF reduction.

[inland lagoon]

a better option might be buffing the cannons less

[jagged flume]

(Nerfs are planned)

[topaz rune]

You said weapons that needed a buff were not buffed. Lasers were buffed.

[inland lagoon]

since right now lasers are still worse than cannons

yes, a buff that could change the meta

right now cannons still would be meta considering their high range, and more projectile speed

[topaz rune]

Would.... so you haven't actually tried it? Are you just speculating?

[inland lagoon]

im pretty sure thats obvious as cannons have larger range than ions, more projectile speed, they are still better than lasers considering they have penetration and can start fires

now cannon kiters are possible which would shake the meta even more as not even ions can reach deck and large cannons

large cannons range is bigger, have less spread, and have more projectile speed than earlier which still makes them a better alternative than lasers

[topaz rune]

So you haven't tested the mod, you have misrepresented the changes, misunderstood them, and you're arguing with people who are involved, actively participating in the balance discussion, and coming together to test and adjust changes to get them right?

[inland lagoon]

so the meta is unchanged, and by rebalance we would want something that lets other weapons be used in domination

[errant forge]

I think you havent tested the mod in advanced dom terms

[gilded spindle]

You aren't thinking about how the laser change affects things, it's nearly at 150% capacity relative to before and it wont change stuff... I get cannons were buffed with their speed but lasers were too

[inland lagoon]

i was wrong about the firerate of deck cannons, though from the notes you can visibly see how much stronger cannons are, which is basically making the current meta stronger, the laser damage buff means nothing when small cannons have a much larger range than lasers, deck cannons still have a much larger range than lasers which makes them even stronger, even with the firerate nerf, cannons are still meta

[topaz rune]

I think you would be welcome to help us test the mod. We can always use more help. But I ask you not to knock it before you try it. The goal is a mod that works for everyone and the more participation we have, the better it can be

[inland lagoon]

yeah, and deck cannon range is at over 200% capacity, projectile speed, they are still stronger than laser walls, and in a kiter fight they still have a hugely larger range than lasers, the projectile speed doesnt mean much when cannons also got the same buff, and most fights are on closer ranges

for lasers you need a costly reactor, while for a large cannon ship all you need is a capacitator, a few engines and the guns themselves making a cheap ship

so not only are large cannons cheaper, they are stronger in ways that matter in domination, stronger than lasers

[topaz rune]

If most fights are at closer ranges as you said, lasers win. They have significantly more upfront power than cannons in the mod.

[errant forge]

Not really

[topaz rune]

As for laser wall versus cannon wall, in elim at least, I've seen both do well under different situations. Cannons aren't ruining lasers, thats for darn sure, I've been watching games all evening

[topaz rune]

Would you care to elaborate?

[inland lagoon]

in elim, we are talking about domination

[topaz rune]

Then you might want to be more specific when you speak of walls

[jagged flume]

We want to see what happens in domination, exactly! That's why we want to test it

[inland lagoon]

i was talking about the classic laser wall meta

it wont work here

[jagged flume]

We have no idea, which is why we need your guys' assistance

[errant forge]

Yeah, we gonna try to get best example of meta in 1v1 dom tourney, and then we all can discuss about rebalance

[topaz rune]

So.... maybe do some testing? Play some games with the mod and tell us about it. There aren't many dom players so it would be a help. It would also lend a lot more weight to your argument since both of you are arguing over a mod you misunderstood and haven't actually tried

[inland lagoon]

in domination you can get a really cheap 8lc ship, for 120k, while for a laser ship, you need a reactor, shields and good logistics for the ship to actually show its power, large cannons have already high damage, one of the highest hp in the game (21k hp)

[jagged flume]

So try testing, then give us feedback as to what buff would be enough for blasters, right?

[inland lagoon]

maybe a cannon nerf is what we need

for a modded tournament

[gilded spindle]

If you could try the mod and give suggestions it'd be super helpful

[inland lagoon]

sure ill try it now

[errant forge]

Would be nice to get @bright anchor into testing, as he using blasters with very good effect

[chilly barn]

It might be hard to distribute mod to Dom community as most aren't in exelcior

[surreal pecan]

Oh yeah right.

[surreal pecan]

Well you could entrust the mod to Yugi.

But why wouldn't we have an elimination tournament again...

I think balance mod was made with it in mind first and foremost as cannons are already great in dom.

[chilly barn]

Yeah to give it to CCC you'd need to distribute it

[spring fable]

that makes 4

[surreal pecan]

I was typing something on phone and it was nearing 4AM you couldn't've expected my brain to work properly.

Oh wait nevermind you're wrong actually.

Immtrm asked how many archetypes are possible.