Tournament Chat

[hollow socket]

if only i could not have the avoider

[gilded spindle]

no, I threw so hard

like

what the fuck was I doing

[jagged flume]

Can always ask for a rematch outside of the event at least

[gilded spindle]

I did, and thusly won

[odd zealot]

One

It was a 1-1

Rail-UL nuke (I won)

[gilded spindle]

the second it clicked in my head you'd have never won a single game

[odd zealot]

Rail-Traps( I lost)

[gilded spindle]

Hate stress

I'm going to relax

[quick kelp]

oh yeah @jagged flume can we have in-game audio?

[icy oxide]

Phosphophyllite:

[quick kelp]

🪨

[jagged flume]

Phosphophyllite is laughably bad lmao

[hollow socket]

Rock mvp

[errant forge]

banning is extremly important in those ban-style tournaments

[surreal pecan]

Oh no rod stall gamin'

[gilded spindle]

I feel counter-picking is better in some cases

because the match is literally won on the lobby screen in this case

[desert sky]

wtf being rude is allowed?!
isin't there like a rule against it

[gilded spindle]

nope

[vocal cloak]

its not like it went full cod lobby

[white apex]

if i fought the tb rail it would've gone until rod was closed

[snow seal]

oohhh

[hollow socket]

if it were the tb pd ship

coulda at least let me use that morbiter

but it's alright, just means i have to do better next time

[quick kelp]

gg nugg

[white apex]

m orbi just measn i have a more stressful match

[hollow socket]

true

my avoider was an easy kill

[jagged flume]

@vocal cloak vs @surreal pecan up next

[hollow socket]

poor nugg

[wooden crystal]

i was fucked there my ships dont match well into his

[surreal pecan]

THE UPSETS!

[white apex]

@gilded spindle u owe me an optimization

[wooden crystal]

sry for being mean @past fiber you played well

[surreal pecan]

Good game nugg.

[hollow socket]

i guess eating glue makes you better in battle

[surreal pecan]

Despite everything you did very well 👍

[jagged flume]

Nick get in the game

[surreal pecan]

Okie

[wooden crystal]

i went 1-2 which is more than i expected

[short tartan]

that was an amazing match

[past fiber]

Thank you, but I didn't have time to read your messages because I don't know English well

[gilded spindle]

Even better

k

sure

[wooden crystal]

im sorry i was just being a bad sport

[snow seal]

@jagged flume maybe u should update

[wooden crystal]

you did really well <3

[quick kelp]

@jagged flume didn't you say just a bit ago that walt contacted you saying there was an update?

[wooden crystal]

do me a favor and win it for me

[past fiber]

will try

[naive lion]

@fast oracle wake up this time

[white apex]

ol

ol

lol

i think a bonus match where 1st and 2nd (or similar) fight w/ their own libraries would be cool

[surreal pecan]

💀

[jagged flume]

@naive lion vs @fast oracle

[vocal cloak]

sorry nick but i really want that paintjob

[surreal pecan]

:(

Of course you kicked me in the heel

[jagged flume]

Mind if I share that Terratron?

[hollow socket]

it's free to use

[naive lion]

@fast oracle

[fast oracle]

omw

[surreal pecan]

Literally never before have I been killed by the first volley and it happened TWICE IN A ROW WHAT THE FUCK

[fast oracle]

yeah nick against those ul nukes you need front armor

[snow seal]

i think u're getting 30$

[autumn maple]

.lmao

[vocal cloak]

gnusmas is a problem

[surreal pecan]

And horrible ion aiming?

[fast oracle]

@jagged flume incompatible

[hollow socket]

that's kine for you

[autumn maple]

they outpiloted ya

[desert sky]

ya gotta beat gnumas

good luck!

[fast oracle]

you couldnt do anything tbh

[desert sky]

and good job btw

[surreal pecan]

I have gotten very close to winning this match and have won a couple of times.

Of course I have to be at my worst in the tournament.

[vocal cloak]

caffeine and sleep deprivation is making me very giddy

[surreal pecan]

Get the fuck out of my computer you don't deserve it.

[autumn maple]

lmao

[odd zealot]

Resonable.

Still

I suck

[hollow socket]

poor ship

[odd zealot]

I will lose against air

[autumn maple]

no

[surreal pecan]

Says the person who beat both Juno and Slowking.

[hollow socket]

rejected by it's own creator

air is a tough one

[surreal pecan]

@white apex Don't you dare underestimate Mint and play as well as you humanely can.

[odd zealot]

Air has ships that hard counter mine

;-;

[vocal cloak]

btw nick watch the vod

[odd zealot]

Funny things.

[vocal cloak]

you will understand how i 1 shot you

[desert sky]

did ya hide things during your testings 👀

[surreal pecan]

Thanks I don't want to watch how you publically humiliated me in front of dozens.

[odd zealot]

Still

The rok at the start

I was just

[autumn maple]

than lemme explain, you got rammed and spin2win

[odd zealot]

p a n i k

[autumn maple]

a deadly combination

[vocal cloak]

i sniped between the armor and shields

[autumn maple]

idealy you wanna pass by with your speed

[surreal pecan]

There is no gap between

[vocal cloak]

let me rewatched it again

[surreal pecan]

The fact that it happened twice in a row is just a spit in the face because it has never happened before.

This is a better freaking hybrid than that pathetic excuse of a ship.

[vocal cloak]

oh i see 1 nuke disabled the shield and another nuke abit delayed went in

[surreal pecan]

Of course odds always have to be stacked against me.

I swear if that didn't happen one of the nukes would quantum tunnel in my reactor and blow it up.

And if that didn't happen 5000 nukes would spawn on the back side of my ship 10 metres away already primed.

[sharp bane]

I think it probably would have happened sooner rather than later anyways... all the nuke orbi has to do is shotgun-volley the nukes a few times and it is more likely than not to get a series of nukes that disable shields and kill the reactor

[surreal pecan]

But once again I HAVE WON this matchup before!

Kine was probably lying about sleep depravation to make me think I'd have an easier time.

[sharp bane]

hmm I'll definitely have to trust you then because I have not used or fought either ship type myself

[vocal cloak]

i practiced nuke flinging religiously after that defeat

[surreal pecan]

Morale of the story I should not have trained with you.

Will never happen again.

[errant forge]

i said you to not taking this shit

before tourney

[surreal pecan]

Ironic thing is you were right.

I should have trusted the god of clutching.

You are somehow always right.

I was planning to take any other ion orbiter I had but none of them can beat nuke UL so kine would've forced that match in any case.

But I guess all my other ions have a chance against ton.

[vocal cloak]

like I played against the pink brick with autoram again and again and again to get my piloting right

[surreal pecan]

The disgusting pink brick

[errant forge]

i was winning against UL nukes with my ion cruiser

[surreal pecan]

How.

Well I guess it's not that insane of a matchup to win.

[vocal cloak]

you losing the armor is actually a mistake

[errant forge]

sides of UL nukes are insanely easy to destroy

[surreal pecan]

No.

Then how the fuck am I supposed to deal damage.

[wooden crystal]

i had a pulled pork sandwich and it dampened the blow of losing

[surreal pecan]

You can just run around like a crazy chicken and my ion won't do shit

[surreal pecan]

Good for you I guess at least you didn't go out embarassingly

[vocal cloak]

did you see how i aggressive rammed you

i wouldnt do that against those hooks

[surreal pecan]

I was still dizzy and had trouble seeing what the heck was going on so no.

I should have never played cosmo on 75% resolution worst mistake of my life.

[wooden crystal]

i dont think you had a shot in that matchup. kine is a competent pilot and that matchup he just cooks you in

[errant forge]

of course im always right 😄

[surreal pecan]

Of course he didn't grant me any semblance of a good matchup choosing the coward's way out at least I gave Spacecat the ability to fight with THE STRONGEST SHIP HE HAD

And the ion vs ion matchup he wasn't even that bad up against.

Ion vs ion for armorless EB ions vs armored ions is actually a very good matchup.

[wooden crystal]

hahahah, yeah i had a similar experience with gnusmas. but your opponent has no obligation to fight fair, their goal is to win.

[surreal pecan]

Ions struggle to deal with copious amount of shields and the 4EB he had would've shredded.

[surreal pecan]

Fair enough.

[white apex]

i will spin the whole time and not use tb

[surreal pecan]

All the sleezy tricks for that paint I guess.

[surreal pecan]

Nice.

[white apex]

that's the point, i assumed everyone would bring at least 1 orbiter for the tourney so i put tb on everything to counter

[surreal pecan]

You're a mad genius.

I wish I was good with TB because that is a killer strat.

[errant forge]

Gk vs Salephz gonna be the best fight here so far

[surreal pecan]

AAAAND Luna got curbstomped, lost I see.

I lost the motivation to watch the tournament, what is the point.

I'll just root for gnusmas and that's all from me.

Man, why do I always get to have the most embarassing losses on tournaments?

Like it's not even funny.

[swift heart]

chill, it's not that important

[surreal pecan]

Royal alphastrike died from RoD TWICE

Glass fortress got curbstomped TWICE

Stupidass ion got oneshotted TWICE

Literally it's a tradition at this point.

[errant forge]

of course taking ion against this kiter isnt good thing, however after luna gonna lose armor she might can win

[chilly barn]

Yo me too

[surreal pecan]

You guys at least stood chance.

Meanwhile me

[surreal pecan]

Insert this meme again.

[errant forge]

this time you had better ships, except this ion i said to not taking

[surreal pecan]

It is literally the worst ion I've ever made.

I chose it because it was versatile and had a lot of redundancy, but that's all going for it.

Jack of all, master of none

As not darth gameknight the wise would've said.

[jagged flume]

@odd zealot vs @white apex

[errant forge]

yeah that was fresh built by you so you was excited and thought its good

[surreal pecan]

Nice time to see some spinning right round motion.

Yeah from surface it's a solid concept.

But boy does it suck big juicy eggs.

[jagged flume]

@past fiber vs @vocal cloak

[surreal pecan]

I thoght the remaining six gonna play a round robin.

[odd zealot]

Hold on im opeaing cosmo

[jagged flume]

Remaining 3

[white apex]

my game is forzen

[surreal pecan]

Ahh.

[vocal cloak]

uh why is it incompatible

[odd zealot]

SOme issues

[snow seal]

forsen?

[jagged flume]

I updated, you guys didn't

[vocal cloak]

well

[jagged flume]

You need to leave the game and open it again

[white apex]

i updated i tihnk

it's taking forever to load

[odd zealot]

azure

Is the passwrd?

[jagged flume]

y

yes

[past fiber]

can you remind me of the password?

[jagged flume]

azure

[snow seal]

@-@ which pair is fighting

[snow seal]

update ur game

[past fiber]

sorry for the wait

[jagged flume]

You guys are fine just update in the mean time

[past fiber]

the game is now closed

[vocal cloak]

its air and mint's turn

[jagged flume]

We're doing a different set of fights right now

Yeah

You're up next though

[past fiber]

Oh, good

[hollow socket]

poor mint

[jagged flume]

Now you're up Kine and Gnusmas

[odd zealot]

I love geting fully countered

[chilly barn]

Kinda sad how much seeding affects this

I could have won middle bracket imo

[jagged flume]

"Seeing?"

[hollow socket]

eyes = overpowered

[surreal pecan]

Yes.

[sharp bane]

"You have to include Technicalities of Rocks" lol

[quartz summit]

Am I late?

[quick kelp]

kine v 🪨

[errant forge]

yeah middle bracket pretty easy

[chilly barn]

Seeding

[chilly barn]

I feel like i cold have won my bracket is gnusmas didnt exist

(:

[white apex]

gnusmas has tb rail, m orbi, avoider?

[errant forge]

yes

[white apex]

kine pls win i can't beat gnusmas

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

GO GNUSMAS

[odd zealot]

That's a bit funny

I was fully countered no matter what i did

:3

[white apex]

that's why i chose my loadout :D

ig i have the best chance against the tb rail

[chilly barn]

Okay so im ok if I lost to the winner of the tourney right

[fast oracle]

i really couldnt do anything, the most favorable match was the ion mirror one, the rail mirror was only chosen because we agreed to play it

[errant forge]

gk have good ion

[fast oracle]

yup

[chilly barn]

I wouldn't been able to play today anyway

[chilly barn]

Yea this tourney seemed to have been mostly matchup luck

But yeah eh idk

Better yhan last tourney tho

[errant forge]

this tourney is the least mathup luck, because there is banning

[surreal pecan]

For sure.

[errant forge]

last one was with one ship only

[fast oracle]

if i had won against gk i would have probably won against saleph

but i think gk will win saleph

[chilly barn]

Banning is literally just your loadout

Literally matchup luck

[surreal pecan]

AAAA I can't watch.

[chilly barn]

(assuming each player picks perfectly)

[surreal pecan]

It's so unbelievably close.

[jagged flume]

@snow seal vs @naive lion

[errant forge]

gl

[surreal pecan]

Dauymng.

[vocal cloak]

well im not getting a paint job

[chilly barn]

Tb morbiter is so scawy

[vocal cloak]

that was one hell of a game tho

[surreal pecan]

Fair.

But it's just pure poetic justice, you made me play with the worst thing I had to breach over me no problem yet got the ass handed to you from the player who you were rooting for to win vs Nugg and underestimated.

[vocal cloak]

welp i got what i desevered

[past fiber]

you are very cool to control a nuclear ship

[vocal cloak]

and you are one great avoider player

[past fiber]

thanks

[sharp bane]

very scary match, wp both sadly salephz got pressured by missiles at the end

[icy oxide]

The deal of training

Glad to see that they paid off.

[jagged flume]

@white apex vs @past fiber

[snow seal]

gk got lucky mines twice

[hollow socket]

the final standoff

[surreal pecan]

Dang the upsets.

The stacked underdog trio.

[white apex]

my discord notifications aren't showing up for some reason

[surreal pecan]

[Ok GK really isn't an underdog but compared to Sal he is]

[hollow socket]

air is not an underdog

seat 5 and all

[errant forge]

dont say gk is underdog, he is great player that had chances of winning before tournement even started

[surreal pecan]

^^

[icy oxide]

Hard counterpiking. It's never happened before, and now it's happening again. 😉

[surreal pecan]

😔

[errant forge]

im the truly underdog :agony:

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

[errant forge]

of course he isnt, even compared to Sal

[surreal pecan]

Eh.

[chilly barn]

I'm underdog

[errant forge]

soo... congrats @naive lion for winning tournament!

[naive lion]

i gotta beat air and the other guy

[chilly barn]

Gnusmas win imo

[errant forge]

of course gk win

[surreal pecan]

Gnusmas is not one to be underestimated.

Go GK I believe in you!

[chilly barn]

Yeah tb need to be limited to one

[short tartan]

if it's a tie it should go to a FFA

[surreal pecan]

Nah.

That doesn't happen in professional tournaments.

[short tartan]

ok

also TB should count as a weapon

[surreal pecan]

Eh, maybe.

TB very annoying though.

The air's 5600 year match seems to be cut short.

Very good.

[errant forge]

he has already won

chill

[surreal pecan]

2000 years later

[vivid ore]

Yay tourney still going!

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

Gladly for you Spade I got destroyed.

Couldn't even use nukes... Nor EMP.

Thanks to SOMEBODY who wanted to get the podium easily but failed miserably in the hands of an underdog XDDDDDDD

[vivid ore]

is this the finals?

[surreal pecan]

Yup.

---

Honestly at this point counterpick loops would've been better.

Look how long they're stalling

[vivid ore]

i still believe "blind picking" would be the way to go

tho the voting method made for interesting matchups also

[jagged flume]

Why don't you go join a rock paper scissors tournament if you want blind picking

[wooden crystal]

LOL my goat

i love the banning system and i think it works fine.

[surreal pecan]

@white apex

Oh wait not this

That's the one

[errant forge]

yeah, thats much better than last time

[desert sky]

this would always be the pin of all time in my heart

[sharp bane]

it does in the olympics-like magic tournament in the book I'm reading!

they have brackets and a 1v1v1 in the finals

which is a bit dumb and leaves a lot up to social dynamics rather than skill

but well.

[surreal pecan]

LMAO My man shared it in the tournament stream itself XD

[fast oracle]

yes xd

[quick kelp]

i think 4 options would be better

4 options, 2 bans

that way people can't just force their opponents into using whatever they want

[surreal pecan]

Dude I'm gonna die get reborn 5000 years in the future by a Hyperadvanced civilization and die again before this godforsaken match comes to a close.

Literally the same thing as the last time against the morbiter.

Air is cursed into the cycle of stalls apparently.

[serene latch]

i prefer 3 options 2 bans personally

[surreal pecan]

Air + Best of 5 = Eternal boredom.

[short tartan]

honestly I feel like airs tiny ship is best used later in the match

[gilded spindle]

just came back

[surreal pecan]

Yeah true.

[jagged flume]

Anything is better than feeding it to the meat grinder

[surreal pecan]

I suffered an embarassing defeat leagues worse than yours 😔

[wooden crystal]

air picking a pd wall as a ship instead of just banning all morbiters like the rest of us was a bad decision and means his only way to last as long as possible is to stall

[gilded spindle]

how so?

[surreal pecan]

Watch yourself :agony:

I got a one in a million snipe done against me TWICE IN A ROW

[short tartan]

true but it's gonna be better when the other ship has holes in its defence

[chilly barn]

Okay I'm gonna do a blind picking yourney of 4 ppl @vivid ore

[surreal pecan]

Damn now air's gonna stall for EVEN LONGER because nature's call.

WHAT DID WE DO TO DESERVE THIS

[short tartan]

also I feel like it would be better as a rail ship

[wooden crystal]

i think im pretty consistent in that my tournament matches are entertaining, even if they last a long time or are a bit silly/unrepresentative of competitive

[chilly barn]

Prob not include you bc like experts will do better

[wooden crystal]

take for example me and @gilded spindle 's fight where he sumod me to death 😆

that was a while ago lolol

[gilded spindle]

yeah

that was a very fun match

[wooden crystal]

yeah i really like when fights are close. i think it makes it more entertaining as a spectator too

[gilded spindle]

@past fiber Love it

[icy oxide]

Just use your front armor 🥲

[gilded spindle]

Touhou reference on gnusmas Yuyuko's ship

[surreal pecan]

👌

[wooden crystal]

lmao dyno is funny

[gilded spindle]

yuyuko is a touhou character

[surreal pecan]

Oh boy time for another bus meme with Air's ship I guess.

---

Lol that was a lot of partying emojis Nugg.

[gilded spindle]

tbh now I hope gnusmas wins

His ship has swayed my opinion

[wooden crystal]

gnusmas had a sweet lineup of ships, i think theyre really good picks for this format

[gilded spindle]

what are the picks?

[surreal pecan]

I just want him to win so we don't have to watch 50 agonizing minutes of Air gameplay.

And can ya blame me?

[wooden crystal]

TB missile orbiter, TB rail, avoider

3 very solid options

[gilded spindle]

avoider?

I wouldn't expect that

[vocal cloak]

He trashed 3 of us with it

[wooden crystal]

he piloted it in my fights with him, admittedly he didnt pilot that well but it still worked

[surreal pecan]

H O W L O N G W I L L W E H A V E T O W A I T F O R A I R T S T O P B E I N G M I S E R A B L E

[gilded spindle]

so... now I know what to bring for the next tournament

[wooden crystal]

of our three, he used it in 2 fights, both avoider vs dc

i won 1 he won 1

[swift heart]

Good job for every single one of you who finished school, graduated in college, found your one true love, raised your children, made a good family and lived the rest of your days in the best way possible before the Air vs Morbiter Gnusmas match ended.

[sharp bane]

Walt: Cosmoteer has riveting gameplay!
The gameplay:

[icy oxide]

I won him 4 times in a row 2 days ago (I'm was on DC rammer) 😄

[gilded spindle]

seems about right

[icy oxide]

So...

[jagged flume]

@naive lion you're up

[gilded spindle]

Well, I'm making a TB rail today

Don't know the modern layout

But I'll figure it out

[hybrid holly]

pak.kine#0

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[surreal pecan]

^^ That's me watching air's matches.

D:

That was also me fighting vs the guy with this pfp

X5

[white apex]

dodged railsthough

[short tartan]

air!

[white apex]

spoiler i lost

[gilded spindle]

sad

[surreal pecan]

You already did.

[short tartan]

when you have the tiny ship wait to deploy it

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

[vivid ore]

gameknight should be fun to watch

[surreal pecan]

Squib gamin'

[short tartan]

keep it far away

[surreal pecan]

We shouldn't be teaching that to you Air I thought you were good squib pilot or something.

[short tartan]

squib?

[jagged flume]

Small ship. A better name is Corvette

[autumn maple]

haha i forgor the tourney and missed it

[short tartan]

ah

ok

[gilded spindle]

Youmou

I wanted to make that

I'll make Eirin, Kaguya and Mokou then

[desert sky]

would make that if i played touhou

[past fiber]

I'll wait

[gilded spindle]

...Any chance you could help paint? xD

I sincerely suck at it

[surreal pecan]

I love how supportive Saris is towards the worthless squib.

It did almost get its comeback though.

Almost.

[past fiber]

I can, but I didn't draw alone either, greedisr helped me

[gilded spindle]

That's cool

So... TB rail, Missile orbiter, and... Cannon avoider?

I still have hope

[surreal pecan]

LITTLE BABBY DID IT!

HE LIVED!

He actually got a single semi-decent shot off!

[past fiber]

So far I have painted only 2 ships

[gilded spindle]

who's the avoider?

[wooden crystal]

air left gk right iirc

[surreal pecan]

AWWWWWWW Need to go.

[gilded spindle]

rip

o/

[wooden crystal]

gn nick

[past fiber]

I just painted it so that it wouldn't be white.

[surreal pecan]

Really wanna see the finale but too bad.

[past fiber]

it's just small, so it's hard to draw something on it

[wooden crystal]

im excited for the highlights 🤞

[surreal pecan]

My dad wants to sleep.

[gilded spindle]

True

[surreal pecan]

I geuss I'll watch on phone.

BYEE

[wooden crystal]

[gilded spindle]

[wooden crystal]

wait is the ftl graphic the old one?? lmao

emoji designers pls fix

[gilded spindle]

is old too

[wooden crystal]

[white apex]

i do not have the brainpower to micro a squib and tb orbiters at the same time

[wooden crystal]

WALT

[white apex]

air's guide to tourney skill:

1. join tourney
2. tb
3. ????
4. profit

[jagged flume]

Yeah and stalling for as absolutely long as possible

I severely regret having not considered tractor beams a weapon

[gilded spindle]

3. Spend 20 minutes on the lobby screen

[wooden crystal]

idc if you stall, getting this far in a tourney is something you have to respect :P i think he did a great job

[gilded spindle]

I can agree with that

[desert sky]

i'm pretty sure if seeding where different air woulda lose
but i feel like that an issue for litteraly all tourneys for all games

[gilded spindle]

24 player round robin is the only option

[wooden crystal]

i mean yeah if i got seeded vs salephz i would have lost so thats not really valid at all

[surreal pecan]

He fought relatively easy enemies though. Got both slowk and Juno conveniently knocked out by Mint whom he curbstomped.

Also I'll finish watching the stream on phone I guess.

Really wanna stick to the end.

[gilded spindle]

mint had a supercomputer plugged in to calculate how to humilliate me

[desert sky]

go game knight go!!!!!!!!!!

[wooden crystal]

discrediting how far air has gotten is cringe. its a tournament and hes done pretty well. theres no such thing as playing dishonestly when the goal is to win and the rules are set out as clearly as they are

[gilded spindle]

yeah

I can agree

[wooden crystal]

its not like he had horrible lag and was super rude about his wins

if anything i was being toxic to gnusmas and people should have been mad at me LOL

sorry again @past fiber ily <3

[jagged flume]

You're up Gnusmas

[past fiber]

That is all right

[desert sky]

although he's unintentionally having the rule being madee to avoid this now it occur

[white apex]

i can't win any other way though? for cannon tb vs m tb i have to stall for rod, tank every shot perfectly and have to wait for rod to go on long enough to kill quickly

[jagged flume]

You get how it's a miserable experience for viewers was more so what I was getting at

[white apex]

feel like most of the new rules r just for me lol, no tb, no pd, orbiter nerf, etc

[serene latch]

orbiter nerf?

what

[white apex]

ht nerf

[wooden crystal]

haters gonna hate

[serene latch]

it got nerfed?

[white apex]

for the mod? yeah

[serene latch]

how so

[jagged flume]

Disincentivizing taking as long as possible is completely within reason, in my mind

[fast oracle]

huge thruster nerf?

rampdown?

[jagged flume]

The change Air is talking about was made before my discussion with you and Quix, Qawa, and will be reconsidered

[serene latch]

oh that one

@white apex that change indirectly buffs orbiters lol

[desert sky]

saris nerfing everything expect avoider

nice

[white apex]

i don't have any matches left right

[jagged flume]

Yes you're out of the tournament. Depending on the outcome you'll get second or first

[white apex]

nice

:O

[short tartan]

I already said this on stream but I wonder if the meta would change if the time limit was shorter

[desert sky]

if you meant time limit of the game the no

not enough

[short tartan]

maybe for next tournament it should be 8 minutes

[desert sky]

i've got host with 5 minute which is think is minimum and it bearly changed anything to be honest

[white apex]

kites basically don't exist anymore

[desert sky]

i agreed shorter time would be the best if you want to prevent people from not engaging

[desert sky]

but does they still exist anymore anyways

[jagged flume]

GameKnight using Combo Supreme stomped both Lunastro and Salephz

[white apex]

fair enough

my brain doesn't categorize that as a kite anymore lol, i see orbiter thrust and i think orbiter but i also see barge layout and think barge

[vivid ore]

love the form follows function aesthetics on gamekinghts builds

[short tartan]

yay more stalling...

[vivid ore]

👀 staring match

[white apex]

i'm still watching my match lol

[gilded spindle]

GG

[icy oxide]

🎉

[chilly barn]

wait who won

[gilded spindle]

Gnusmas

[icy oxide]

The underdog of all time

[jagged flume]

And my internet cut out lmao

[fast oracle]

lmao

[chilly barn]

lmao

[jagged flume]

Air stalled in all of their matches. GameKnight did not.

[wooden crystal]

thanks

[chilly barn]

I was the first person to die to himso ykyk im like the second best player

[fast oracle]

did you had something else planned?

[chilly barn]

I basically deserve 15 bucks for getting second

basically

[desert sky]

annnd the curtain falls

[vivid ore]

Nice finals, will watche the whole thing another time.
Very nice ship designs from everyone!
cya

[gilded spindle]

Impressive

once I'm done making my TB Rail I'll join MP

[wooden crystal]

cant wait for highlights

[desert sky]

i do not think thzat the right word but i meant
"ettt le rideau tombe"

[sleek blade]

what the tournament was today?

[swift heart]

yeah

[fast oracle]

yes xd

[sleek blade]

so much going on in this chat

who won tho?

[swift heart]

it just ended lmao

[surreal pecan]

GGS TO ALL!

[white apex]

the meta for every matchup for me is to stall though

[surreal pecan]

Great games!

[white apex]

it's like railkites all over again

[desert sky]

gnusmas

[wooden crystal]

gnusmas won

[jagged flume]

Proof no one reads announcements

[surreal pecan]

He didn't play slower :(

[desert sky]

i actually forgot the tourney had a cashprice

[swift heart]

biggest esport

[wooden crystal]

he literally kited <3

[surreal pecan]

Truly one of the tournaments to ever.

For sure.

[snow seal]

saris can we have details about the next tourney

[desert sky]

good night folks

[snow seal]

i want a teams tourney

[errant forge]

i definitly need to take part in next one, congrats gnus

[fast oracle]

yes please

[surreal pecan]

Yeah. Gnusmas really was the overpowered Underdog of this season. Just like Przy <3

[fast oracle]

i prefer 1v1s but im concerned about the balance mod

[wooden crystal]

hopefully the next tourney has a cash prize as well :D was a great motivator for me joining this one and i think the ban system was really cool

[surreal pecan]

Anyways poor GK got counterpicked to DEATH.

[past fiber]

thanks

[surreal pecan]

I just want schlaris waterwhip pain job

[wooden crystal]

pay him :P

[surreal pecan]

No monny no ladies

[icy oxide]

I can paint in his styles

[sleek blade]

I asked before you posted bruh

[fast oracle]

oh and also i think the ban system was fun but it didn't really avoid counterpicking

[jagged flume]

• There will be a cash prize
• Teams are unlikely given how it strangles connection and I have nobody to help me host
• Event knowledge is unknown past the dates of 22nd and 29th of July
• There definitely be a balance mod
• There may be a different event time rather than 7pm UTC

Please everyone who has it, direct your feedback to #1114722382049988669 because I would love to see what you guys have to say as well as how to adress existing/percieved issues

[surreal pecan]

Yes but bothering you to get paint for free is slightly pityful.

[fast oracle]

cool

[surreal pecan]

And it's a tournament win reward afterall, which is epic!

[sleek blade]

to really fix stuff you would need a draft system but then everyone would need way more ships

[wooden crystal]

hopefully an asia friendly tourney 🤞. would love to see players like juno and others do well <3

[surreal pecan]

I hope it won't be on 5AM for me

🥺

[sleek blade]

I could host EU

[surreal pecan]

I couldn't not take revenge on Kine

Anywaya, that is all for me, 3AM in here.

The tournament was EPIC!

...Aside from me vs kine that shit can go burn in hell.

[sharp bane]

congrats winners!
and gn.

[surreal pecan]

Byeeeee <3

[jagged flume]

Nick I have to say that I saw that coming you did nothing to dodge very obvious incoming shots :agony:

[past fiber]

Huh, I have 5am now

[jagged flume]

Moving in a straight line directly away from your opponent is not how you dodge nukes

[snow seal]

i can't talk

i forgot about the seeding order

[jagged flume]

There's an entire one minute slowdown how did you get 5 😆

[snow seal]

i got 10

idk

so the sum of the seedings of every player should be equal to 1+<total number of participants>

meaning 12 should fight 13 first because we had 24 players and 1+24 is 25

[vocal cloak]

You are most likely not gonna see me again in tourneys unless the time change cus i aint doing this 3am thing again

[jagged flume]

What time'd be ideal for you?

[vocal cloak]

Having it a few hours earlier would be nice, 12 to 3am is alot more palatable than 3am to 6am

[jagged flume]

No no not just easier, ideal.

[vocal cloak]

Evening times like 10pm

[snow seal]

u could order the brackets with timezones

[errant forge]

lol

Btw why salephz havent champion role? I think it should be bringt back

[jagged flume]

Salephz left and rejoined to get rid of it

[snow seal]

i didn't

i thought i've said already

i was annoyed bc i got muted

which u should have given me a warning before muting

i'll ask walt

[naive lion]

he gave it back to jenny but then said he'd reserve the right to not restore roles in the future so idk

[snow seal]

ik

[white apex]

@jagged flume i watched the pt 1 highlights, where is my feature D:<

[snow seal]

wasnt interesting enough

[white apex]

:(

[hollow socket]

i think if air was highlighted, it would take up about 40 minutes of the video

[surreal pecan]

Bruh

My strategy was to tank the first two consecutive volleys with my side armor and then go for the kill, which is a tactic that WORKED very consistently when I was sparring with Kine! Every time I tried to dodge the first volley kine would instantly punish with the second volley in the anus.

[surreal pecan]

Glad to hear.

[urban robin]

@past fiber congratulations on your successful demonstration to the galaxy of the unmatched power of okuu scrunkly

(featuring yuyuko from touhou 7 perfect cherry blossom)

[past fiber]

thanks

[surreal pecan]

H m m m m m

I guess if Gnusmas is a touhou player invested enough to care for its merchandise characters (I think that's what those chibi heads on Gnus' ships are) then he must have the reflexes enough to memorize and dodge the attacks of a thunderstorm so we mortal beings are no match for him XD

[past fiber]

May be))

[vivid ore]

Every ship deserves to be played.

What about a ship choosing system where you cannot choose a ship twice?
like 3 different ships 3 games.

[snow seal]

i would love to play 3 ships and get hard countered all 3 times

[errant forge]

Banning system is fine

[gilded spindle]

I feel whoever gets to pick who goes first has such a high advantage it could be considered unbalanced

but that's hard to avoid

[chilly barn]

I don't agree

[sleek blade]

stream with 5h delay so its fair for everyone

[errant forge]

Btw what is this "Sphe. Co"?

Why so mamy people have it in te nickname

[misty oracle]

a cult company that @snow seal has founded

[serene latch]

so now that there's another champion

we need to perform the ritual

aka being unoriginal

[chilly barn]

nugg is no longer unoriginal

[hollow socket]

Alternatively, after the first banning the second player doing the two bans can make it so that no matter which ship the player who banned first picks, they won't be anymore advantageous

[chilly barn]

for people who wanted better times for asia and non us, would a primary round that had mostly asia/eu players and NA players seperated, at different times be better?
then a secondary round with the winners which would last like 1.5 hours

at a time thats about in middle

[errant forge]

So wouldnt be better to make whole tournament about in middle? Not only finals

[chilly barn]

well then itd be too early for some ppl

like lunch and such

um and I guess saris doesn't want that?

idk why really

if it was a few hours earlier it would be even worse for ppl in eu I thnk

im not sure on time zones tbh

[errant forge]

Happens... no one here have peferct time, for you thats "lunch and such", but for europe and asia thats 3am for example

You cant priotize US... 7pm UTC time allowed both sides to play, and i have no idea why @jagged flume wants to change it

Maybe changing it to UTC -2 would be good for all of us?

That seems to be fine time for Europe, Asia and US, however im not sure about US

[chilly barn]

is 7 pm not what happened last tounrey

?

and it was bad for kine and juno for example

well we could have two sepearate times for qualifiers, allowing different ppl to play

[jagged flume]

@fast oracle the basis for my resistance to the nuke exploit (it's just me, rather than the community at large) is because Walt has stated its an unintentional behavior that he hasn't figured out how to patch, its capable of bypassing one of main weaknesses of nukes that's interesting to build around (leading to it almost always being completely unexpected), is esoteric to execute and even know about, and overall I personally would say that it is against the spirit of the competition.

[fast oracle]

understood, it's just sad that something i discovered on my own is considered a bug but fine

[serene latch]

oh right saris it's 1

[jagged flume]

I understand, and I'm more than happy to listen to whatever counter arguments you want to present

[serene latch]

i'm (mostly) free right now if you are

[jagged flume]

Qawa I didn't get to sleep till 3am shut up

[serene latch]

okay sorry

[jagged flume]

Bruh it was joke it's funny don't apologize

[fast oracle]

The behaviour was already intuitive to me because i've always manually launched the nukes, I don't use ai control. I don't have any arguments tbh, I'm just sad that an interesting alternative way to launch them is banned. I don't think it's op either.

why is locking allowed? it's much more exploity. Because it's interesting and not op

[snow seal]

smh i didnt fall asleep until 5 and woke up at 7:30

[white apex]

exactly, i found out about it by accident too

[old timber]

(Assuming that by Locking you mean ships that split in two then join, bypassing the Thrusters forbidden zone)
One difference is that Locking happens at the start of the match. Your opponent sees it as you engage and it doesn't affect how they play, aside maybe from targeting the locking points with Rails.

Illegal Nukes happen in the middle of the action and surprise the opponent. I have no idea how it works, I don't know when to expect them and how to avoid these situations.

[fast oracle]

my answer to that would respectfully be "skill issue lol" but i get your point. It's not like you can't avoid them either, they are not op, they are just surprising and unusual

[jagged flume]

In tense combat a surprise is worth significantly more because suddenly it completely scrambles all of the opponent's plans

[fast oracle]

they are very predictable to me but i guess i do have experience launching them

[snow seal]

do u have experience dodging illegal nukes?

in theory if u are in the 160 degrees that isnt in the nukes firing arc, u aren't going to expect nukes to be launched

#ask-walt message

oh look walt said it's not because of ai being dumb

which we already knew

[sleek blade]

how would the nuke in this #1114722382049988669 message fly if it was "legal"?

[raven fern]

straight in the void?

[old timber]

Either:

• it wouldn't launch because it has no target
• it would fly in a straigth line with no target. In the case shown the Nuke would not turn and would accelerate down after accounting for the ship turning.

[fast oracle]

it's mostly flying straight tho

[old timber]

In the gif shown it turns close to 180 degrees. That's about as far from straight as you can be, unless you define straight as "staying on a single line, disregarding direction".

[white apex]

not how nukes and targeting/homing works

[old timber]

I was responding to Execade asking about this situation: #1114722382049988669 message
If the nukes were working as intended, in this situation they have no target in their firing arc so they should continue in the same direction, no?
If not, how should they work in this situation?

[white apex]

"if it was legal"

that is not allowed in the tournament since technically it's a bug

[serene latch]

post a grid-relative recording of that happening

it's definitely not straight

[tough prism]

After long toil and various trials, I have come victorious!
I have successfully managed to move my computer OUT OF MY BUNKER!

HUZZAH!! I NOW HAVE 10x MY OLD INTERNET SPEED!
TODAY IS A DAY OF CELEBRATION!

[serene latch]

nice

[tough prism]

Perhaps Luna manually launched the nukes? then the rotation of the ship and the predone nuke trajectory compounded into the gif shown?

i've done that before

I think

[white apex]

the nuke breaks

[tough prism]

or i'm trippin

[white apex]

it decelerates relative to grid

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368422988753928193/1122950273279729685/2023-06-26_19_58_24.gif

if u look at the background crosses, it mostly stays still relative to those

it appears to curve from the ship rotation

the camera rotation

[serene latch]

are you calling this straight

[tough prism]

also those first two nukes aren't pointed at the enemy ship, thery are pointed towards Luna, so i think they were pre aimed

[white apex]

that's how nukes r supposed to work though?

[white apex]

no, they were homing at the enemy ship

[serene latch]

they have a 200° firing arc..

also

you completely missed the point of the original argument

[tough prism]

hold on, where can i find a better resolution footage of the incident

[white apex]

i thought u were talking about tournament legality, not the glitch

[serene latch]

luna was arguing that this would've been the same if she auto fired the nukes

since it's a "straight" line

[tough prism]

not a chance, it's not straight at all

[white apex]

i'm pretty sure it actually would

[tough prism]

not straight at all

[white apex]

if u look at the nuke rotation and the grid it doesn['t change much

[tough prism]

I was assuming the nuke rotation was due to a diffrent occurrence

[white apex]

at first

when zoom started

[serene latch]

you see the cyan outline of the off screen ship? if we take the nuke rotation relative to that ship, it changes

[white apex]

ok but that literally doesn't matter

o wait

[serene latch]

????

[white apex]

1 sec

at zoom

[serene latch]

also the nukes would be flying outwards not inwards

[white apex]

o wait yeah it does rotate 90 degrees

[tough prism]

...

so wait

this battle was Luna vs who?

[serene latch]

przyjem

[tough prism]

ah

ok

was this in the stream?

[serene latch]

what stream

[white apex]

the nuek would've gone to the rightish top if it didn't home which i think still could've hit?

[tough prism]

oh, sorry, I misunderstood, I thought this was in the tournament

i wish there was a better resolution gif

at least

[serene latch]

the nukes would be launching outwards, not inwards

[white apex]

my brain is dead rn

[tough prism]

there is one way it could have been done without a glitch, but Luna already squandered using that as an excuse when they said it went "straight"

[white apex]

?? how

o wait yeah targeting urself

[fast oracle]

i was targeting the wall and i manually launched them, yes.

That's a glitch? I don't think so, but even if it is

if you fire nukes without any target and spin at that speed, you can hit the other side of the ship. In fact, the length of the side armor and the position of the nukes are designed with that in mind.

aka, I don't even need the "glitch" to do that

[tough prism]

I dunno what to say my guy, and tbh I dont really care, I just wanted to voice what I thought could have caused a similar effect

[fast oracle]

i think I'll do it if i need to do it on the tourney, I'm very tired of everyone

if i get disqualified so be it

I think it's a nice, hard to do strategy. If the argument is "it's hard to avoid the nukes" that's exactly the point, I'm trying to hit your ship. Don't spin ram me if you don't want that to happen

[white apex]

the glitch ban disproportionately affects mouse dc users since that's the only time it's even possible for it to occur

and it's very easy to accidentally d it

[fast oracle]

exactly

you're telling me that I can't use manual fire just in case i "do the glitch"

that's already how i launch my nukes

[tough prism]

also how has Walt not gone and fix it yet? was there not a bux fix patch applied recently?

[white apex]

it's been around since classic

same w/ the tb bug

[jagged flume]

Walt said in the past it was overly difficult to fix

[serene latch]

the big long argument above was to say why this wouldn't have happened if you autofired because it wasn't in a straight line lmfao

the glitch was necessary to get those hits

[vocal cloak]

I would say not to outright ban the player because this can occur accidentally or without the knowledge its a bug, but if used the match should be restarted and only ban if repeated offender

[fast oracle]

I don't think this should be banned.

[jagged flume]

Would you be willing to organize a document similar to this one? If there’s proper awareness of the tactic as well as ease of use then there’s no longer a need to restrict its use

[fast oracle]

sure! I want to see more rammers with side nukes using this

i think the rammers specifically benefit a lot from this tactic because this is usually only done while spin ramming

I'd probably need help because my ion is the only decent nuke ship i have

[white apex]

turn on mouse control
target the nukes in rts
enter direct control
be in range and fire with mouse

alternative:
enter dc mode
lock in pip to enemy w/ alt
target nukes in pip
fire with mouse

[jagged flume]

Those random few lines of text aren't remotely helpful nor sharable as a detailed guide with visual examples and extended demonstrations

[white apex]

???? it's literally step by step instructions?

[jagged flume]

I don't understand whats confusing about my statement

[serene latch]

"detailed guide with visual examples and extended demonstrations"

completely ignored

lol

[jagged flume]

I'm starting to get the impression more and more that because of how long winded I am people just skim what I say

Understandable I guess but it makes it difficult to converse

[chilly barn]

lmao imagine typing big words

[stone zephyr]

the locking guide was almost 5 months ago 💀

that feels way too long ago

[white apex]

i don't see why pictures would be needed to follow directions compatible w/ default settings

[chilly barn]

wait it was
so long ago lol 💀

[vocal cloak]

idiot proofing purposes i imagine

[chilly barn]

google docs look cool tho

XD

but yeah its much simpler than locking lol

[white apex]

even locking can be relatively easily summarized in words that are easy to understand

wolf just need a lot more for explanations of structure armor hitboxes and exact speeds

[chilly barn]

yeah i bet my doc could be condensed

[vital spindle]

What’s the nuke exploit?

[vocal cloak]

allows nuke to aim at something outside of its aiming range

[stone zephyr]

mfw I just say "just keep changing the weight and itll work eventually"

[desert sky]

what does "long winded" mean?

[jagged flume]

Saying way more than I need to, I would guess that it's based off of having a higher amount of breath to use in words

Talking too much

[desert sky]

gotcha

[surreal pecan]

WHEN WILL THE NUKE BUG DRAMA EVER STOP IT'S ANNOYING AT THIS POINT.

https://tenor.com/view/drama-gif-22797134

[upbeat ridge]

hey it used to be the same in classic

i literally stopped using it because it was that terrible

[surreal pecan]

It's the reason why I have my nukes set on AI-controlled.

[tough prism]

Big words go brrrr

[short tartan]

is this how to do the bug?

[fast oracle]

If you want to avoid nuke firing arcs, I made this doc to explain it step by step.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQrn38Z83dK3wY_6DAlPucfksCSKLeBos00jI7W1msolAS-vV3DAwsuFQvWuzum0rYks_RPnhKXN98W/pub

[fast oracle]

read this ^

[short tartan]

i did but words are hard rn

[fast oracle]

i think these little tutorials would be super useful for some players, I might make another one of PIP and maybe one about ion design

[surreal pecan]

I love the part when it says it's an unintended mechanic and should thus not be abused.

Joking

[fast oracle]

might be unintended but it's how they currently work

[white apex]

in classic it literally turned into a missile which is different though

[upbeat ridge]

yeah because you changed it for the worse

[chilly barn]

Very well thought out tutorial!

[white apex]

it doesn't cover some other ways u can trigger it D: ad u don't need fire at target

[fast oracle]

please help then, i only know about ion design

how do you do this without fire at target?

[vocal cloak]

dont use pip to target?

if you have aim assist on it does not trigger the bug

[white apex]

fire at will should also work

[fast oracle]

it doesnt

wait does it?

maybe it does

[white apex]

u can also trigger it by targeting in rts before hard (select the parts and right click or ctrl right click or double right click) on the enemy

99% sure it does since that's how i did it in classic

[fast oracle]

yes, I guess you can also right click or all of that

the point is to target the enemy ship

I'll edit those ways, but they are variants of the same method

[white apex]

mhm, imo rts targeting beforehand is a better way since pip is small and sometimes buggy

i just use pip whenever i need to change my rts target

it's like the backup plan

[fast oracle]

pip is not buggy, i should really make the pip tutorial because most people don't know how to use it correctly

[white apex]

it sometimes has a bug where everything is offset from where u click on it

[fast oracle]

i always use pip now that i know how to use it

[fast oracle]

i've never noticed that

and you can increase the size of pio

pip

[vocal cloak]

it definitely works with fire at will

[fast oracle]

does it work on fire at will without target?

I might add your gif to the document

[vocal cloak]

no you need a target

[fast oracle]

hmmm

what happens when they dont have a target

they just fire straight?

even if an enemy is in range?

[stone zephyr]

that looks really funny

[white apex]

ehhh it was very prevalent in classic but i think it's gotten much better in modern

[stone zephyr]

the nukes just do a 180 to hit their own ship 💀

[white apex]

btw i think it would be very useful to have button clicking shower by binding an ion emitter to the same mouse button

that way learners can see when clicks are done

[white apex]

yes, even if the enemy is in the arc and u mouse fire i'm pretty sure it still won't home

[vocal cloak]

yes

[fast oracle]

understood

[vocal cloak]

you can do some stupid crap with this bug

[white apex]

that doesn't do the nuke line though

less damage

[fast oracle]

ye

[white apex]

it's mostly useful on ultralights where they drop the nukes behind them then run away

[vocal cloak]

less damage

mate its almost 1 shot

[spring fable]

but if you were faster it could be a proper one shot

[vocal cloak]

and i dont need to show my rear

[spring fable]

if you are fast enough showing your rear isnt a problem unless you are fighting an ion

[white apex]

yeah that's the main thing

[surreal pecan]

Damn back nuke ions can finally become good?

Dream come true.

[white apex]

no

w/ the old nuke behavior yeah

but most ions can't force the opponent to spin that strongly and make back nukes land

[vocal cloak]

this benefits your rail alot since you dont need to spin around

[upbeat ridge]

it's been a thing since classic

[errant forge]

@serene latch have you plan making dom tournament? Would be nice, maybe September

[serene latch]

this month is dom tournament being hosted by saris..

[surreal pecan]

🤨

No elim?

[spring fable]

i was gonna say i can host a tourney for elim but then i realized how much work that would be

and then i cant compete technically

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

[jagged flume]

You can compete in your own unofficial tournament. It's incredibly strenuous and will result in a poor performance but it is your event

[spring fable]

exactly

[errant forge]

przy is happy

is it 2vs2? @jagged flume

[jagged flume]

There's no way for me to mitigate lag and having double the players in a given lobby only makes it worse

So it's unlikely

Can you submit your preferred settings by the way, Przyjem and @serene latch? I don't play domination so that'd be cool if you two were to assist me

[serene latch]

mine are in the last tourney's doc

#events message

[jagged flume]

You can't see the look I'm giving you, but I'm giving you a look

[errant forge]

i think qawa's settings from previous tournament was great, BUT as its 1v1 it need to be divided by two

[serene latch]

i'm shy 👉 👈

don't look for too long

[errant forge]

divided by 2

[jagged flume]

Ok so the other thing is that due to the event time now being doubled, should it be made faster in any way?

[errant forge]

btw gog and ketcha is back

if you can remember them qawa

[serene latch]

yea

[errant forge]

also.. what you think about this setting? should it be allowed in your opinion?

[spring fable]

yes it should be allowed

[serene latch]

^

[unkempt gulch]

why not more point credits income

low income dont have many choose

[inland lagoon]

probably because you still can have a chance of winning even if you lose your points

and a bit less spam dependent game

[errant forge]

exactly

[inland lagoon]

so lets just keep the settings from the previous dom tournament

[unkempt gulch]

but if dont have high income only cannon ship can use

[inland lagoon]

then use cannon ships, or just make different ships

[unkempt gulch]

thats boring

[errant forge]

of course you can use effectivly diffirent ships

[unkempt gulch]

for example？

[errant forge]

Nukes, Emps, Missiles, Ions, Lasers, maybe even Mines

[unkempt gulch]

they can work？

[inland lagoon]

you cant tell me they dont

[unkempt gulch]

i can

[inland lagoon]

yea mines kinda dont work though

[errant forge]

Mr. Spammer Cat... With more income cannons are still the best weapon for dom

Higher Income only cause even more of them, and spam games

[unkempt gulch]

low income only cannon

[errant forge]

high income too

on high income cannons are still the best

[unkempt gulch]

are you sure？

[errant forge]

of course

[unkempt gulch]

lets try？

i dont use many cannon

[errant forge]

sure, tomorrow we can play

[errant forge]

have you changed your playstyle? which weapon then?

[unkempt gulch]

just say i will not spam they

[unkempt gulch]

i dont konw your time，so

[surreal pecan]

I know darth Gawgus the wise but who's Ketchup?

Also mines in dom sound VERY intriguing.

Too bad their reduced lifetime makes them all but atrocious for boobytrapping, probably.

[white apex]

they never worked well

and u can just get a pd baby

[surreal pecan]

That requires specific preparation for counter measures.

I.e. effective enough of a strategy considering how it DOES require a specific counter that some might not have.

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Man I'm just trying to salvage a use for mines at this point.

[white apex]

relying on the fact that ur opponent does not have an archetype is not a good plan

but it kinda works as shown by me in the tourney

[errant forge]

Should we unban gog?

[white apex]

no

[errant forge]

Why?

[white apex]

was banned for a reason

and if he wants to get unbanned, he can use the appeal form

[errant forge]

That was long time ago

[white apex]

then the appeal form should be used

[short tartan]

@jagged flume I am really not in favor of having the tournament be modded and I know some others share my feelings, could there be a formal vote

[jagged flume]

Nope. I'll elaborate later

[white apex]

just don't attend

[unkempt gulch]

@jagged flume

[errant forge]

I was telling that to yugi, too much people that gonna cause too much lags

[short tartan]

not even a compromise of each tournament being every other month

[jagged flume]

Thanks for relaying the info, I'll try and answer it by tomorrow

[serene latch]

i personally dislike more than 2 teams, but hey that's probably a me thing

[errant forge]

I dislike too

[unkempt gulch]

me too

and this not unfair。。

[errant forge]

Yeah, weaker players csn focus the better one

Which is unfair

[short tartan]

is the balance mod being tested in the tournament and potentially going to be put in the default game?

[white apex]

i just like the reactor price decrease

[snow seal]

walt said he likes the idea of using the mod during a tournament

it's an indirect way for walt to see how some proposed balanced changes will affect the game

[errant forge]

There is price decreases?? Omg...
Thats hella dumb because people gonna need to build new completly changed ships

[short tartan]

True

[white apex]

only for ultralights avoiders and a very small category of missile orbiters

whole mod is just avoider buff

[white apex]

2 ppl could rig the match together though

[serene latch]

issue is teaming/truce

[unkempt gulch]

nah

[serene latch]

in a casual game, you rarely come across it since it's meant to be fun. in a tournament setting, i would expect a few people to team up to improve their own chances of winning

i've seen it happen a lot in casual games too, so i have little doubt that will happen if the tournament has >2 teams

[errant forge]

Fatal idea, i was playing in TWrecks room 1v1v1

Both of them focused on me, they havent any contact between each other, full focus on me

However i still won but on tournamwnt that wont be that easy

Thats absolutly not possible to play dom tournament with more than two teams

[white apex]

exactly, i think tournies should be a test of skill and not a test of how many friends u have

[errant forge]

Also the strategy for games with more than two teams is just farming money for something bigger while enemies fighting

1v1v1 tournament is TERRIBLE idea so stop this bullshit about how great and no problematic it is

[unkempt gulch]

@errant forge

[errant forge]

Bullshit

Stop

[unkempt gulch]

calm down

[errant forge]

Thats just impossible to deal with teaming without any issues

[unkempt gulch]

he gave up the 1v1v1

[serene latch]

if we have x participants and it's constant, 2v2 will be faster than 1v1 despite a bit more lag