Tournament Chat

[trim kestrel]

Ask any questions you have here:

[raw latch]

oop my bad

[trim kestrel]

@raw latch #tournament-announcements please use this post to ask questions

lol ur good

[raw latch]

Ok now, where do i check the rules?

[trim kestrel]

#tournament-announcements

click the google doc

[raw latch]

oh ok thanks!

so there is no money limit?

@trim kestrel

[trim kestrel]

it's 1.5 mil I suppose I should put that in the google doc

[raw latch]

yeah probably lol

[trim kestrel]

you can find all the specific settings in game with the mod

[raw latch]

time to try and build a 1.5 mil ion beam ship

even though i suck at ion beams

Nice he announced it

[raw latch]

@trim kestrel Im so sad rn because i built a 1.55 mil ship and its so good i think but i cant use it cause 1.55 mil instead of 1.5 mil

[trim kestrel]

you could try to optimize the crew and spend a little less on them

50k isn't that much to shave off, I've done worse

[autumn maple]

Oh no new tourney but only in beta sadge

[desert sky]

does we need to buy the game or be in the closed beta in order to participate ?

[trim kestrel]

you need to be in the closed beta unfortunately

[raw latch]

guess what. it sucked and i didnt know

i have to rebuld a new one

[raw latch]

i cant play sorry

i have to leave for a week

[trim kestrel]

good thing the tournament is open for 2 weeks

[raw latch]

true ig

[raw latch]

ok nvm im dont have to leave for a week plans were cancelled

and i built a great 1.498 mil ship

so yay

[red perch]

What are the modifications of your mod by the way ?

[jagged flume]

All it does is confirm that you have the right settings turned on

[tiny yoke]

Will TB be allowed, since it seems to cause desyncs?

Do not exploit any bugs in the game
If worried, ask for clarification if something is a bug

[trim kestrel]

In the event of an in-game crash or disconnect, please retry the match, if you are unable to play through a full game neither player gets points.
you can use it but if you can't finish the match then you'll have to go without it

[wind blaze]

Do note that you can change your IGN, don't do this during the event.

[jagged flume]

For future reference in the case of a similar event there needs to be a clause of both players must agree to the ships being used before the match starts. Generally as the host you or I, Polar, could ensure there isn't hotswitches, but given how the matches will be player hosted it likely needs to be specifically mentioned. I don't think anyone will try to take advantage, but better safe than sorry

[wind blaze]

I'm down to fight it

Nobody has submitted yet

[raw latch]

yeah i cant rn

sorry

[wind blaze]

No worries

[raw latch]

im on a pc that doesnt have any 1.5 mil ships saved on it

cause steam cloud isnt working with cosmoteer

[wind blaze]

I don't have any either

And none of mine are meta either

[raw latch]

mine either

whats ur most expensive ship

for combat

[wind blaze]

Let me check

[raw latch]

mine 850 k

[wind blaze]

I actually an updated version of the ship I made in front of you, it has some crew issues but it works

[raw latch]

which one

oh ok

how much is it

[wind blaze]

Then some strange one

1461k

815k

[raw latch]

my most expensive one is 850 k so unless you want to wait for me to build a new one then idk

[wind blaze]

That one you should be able to beat

[raw latch]

no my 850k sjip sucks

[wind blaze]

What type is it?

[raw latch]

cannon and elec

plus missles

[wind blaze]

Might do well

[raw latch]

a mix

[wind blaze]

Because I have weak reactor defense

[raw latch]

im build a new one

[wind blaze]

And you would crush the shields

[raw latch]

ima buld a new ship then we can fight ok?

[wind blaze]

Alright

[raw latch]

ima make it 1.5 mil

[wind blaze]

Go for it

[raw latch]

you can join me in creative if u want

ye or nah?

[wind blaze]

Nah surprise me

[raw latch]

ok

im ready

[raw latch]

^

[jagged flume]

I'm also available for tournament matches right now

[raw latch]

i would but your an architect an i suck at building lol

[jagged flume]

We have to face each other at some point mind you

Round Robin tournament and such

[raw latch]

whatever ill get it overwith now lol

ok

i need the mod hold on

whos hosting>

?

[jagged flume]

I have no preference

[raw latch]

ok i have great internet ill host

it in elim right i think thats how it works

[wind blaze]

I'm ready

[wind blaze]

Wait what?

Do we only face everyone once?

[raw latch]

saris had 99% health when i died this is so sad

[wind blaze]

lmao I barely read it

[raw latch]

i have to make another ship

[wind blaze]

Well

[jagged flume]

Why

[raw latch]

the one i fought saris with sucked lmao

[wind blaze]

Idk though I understood it

[jagged flume]

I'm ready for you if you're interested mister KMC

[wind blaze]

I need to actually build a ship first

[raw latch]

ok

[wind blaze]

I was going to fight Demon with something half price for fun because I thought I could just come back later

[raw latch]

Bro thats so mean 😅

[wind blaze]

I didn't expect to win

[raw latch]

oh

[wind blaze]

That wall is trash

[raw latch]

ah ok

[wind blaze]

And the other stuff was mid

[jagged flume]

Yall need to know what you're getting into before you sign up for the event 💀

[raw latch]

are we aloud to split ships with explosives to make 2 or more

[jagged flume]

There's nothing that says no in the rules

[raw latch]

ok good

[raw latch]

IM ready again

if you are

[wind blaze]

Not yet

[raw latch]

ok

im ready when u are

messeage when ready

[wind blaze]

About ready

[raw latch]

ok

your gonna win i think

my ship is kinda weird

[wind blaze]

Had crew issues that I created trying to fix something that turned out to be a bug so I had to undo a lot of stuff

Alright

Well GL

[raw latch]

ok gl

[wind blaze]

Wait

[raw latch]

i hosted

[wind blaze]

I need to paint

It looks bad

[raw latch]

bruh no you dont

do it after omg

paint doesnt matter in the torunament LU*Das87ygvdjd

[wind blaze]

Alright I'll go now

[raw latch]

ok

join me

my bad

[wind blaze]

no worries

[raw latch]

there you can rejoin

gg

[wind blaze]

gg

[raw latch]

i quit the tournament

[wind blaze]

nah don't

[raw latch]

i cant build anything

[wind blaze]

You fought like the hardest people

Saris is probably the favorite to win

[raw latch]

saris is 100% going to win

they are an architect lol

[wind blaze]

Well not really

Other contenders tbh

[raw latch]

How? i litterally barly did any damage to you

[wind blaze]

No I mean you fought good players so far

You got close to one of the reactors

[raw latch]

1

[wind blaze]

ig

[raw latch]

you got pretty close to my debris feild that you left behind

[wind blaze]

wdym?

Mines?

[raw latch]

No

my ship

that was dead

was debris

[wind blaze]

Yeah

Idk how to help much, this game is hard to learn

I've been here five years and sucked the first like two

[raw latch]

Ive been here atleast 3

i wish i had my core that i built when we played together but im on a different pc

[wind blaze]

Yeah that one was decent

Want to practice building ships?

[raw latch]

sure ig

[wind blaze]

I'm thinking you should start with under 500k ships

I rarely build big because it is such a pain

hosted

[raw latch]

you host

k

[wind blaze]

In game now

[trim kestrel]

I'm looking forward to seeing your matches lol, they sound entertaining

[raw latch]

mine or his

[trim kestrel]

both

[gilded spindle]

Anyone free for a tourney match, I'm free for the next 30 mins to an hour

[jagged flume]

Sure

@gilded spindle

[gilded spindle]

aight

[jagged flume]

My dude why did you say you were ready if you weren't

[gilded spindle]

back

I am now

just sped through the edits

@jagged flume

[jagged flume]

Apologies for the delay, something needed mandatory taking care of. I'm ready if/when you are

[queen willow]

im free for the next 40min for a tourney match

[queen willow]

please, when there are observers into a match tournament, just shut up about the ship a player is using, there is FoW for a reason ^^!

[gilded spindle]

free for about an hour

anyone wanna do a match?

[sharp bane]

ah sorry, missed the message. still up for it by any chance? @gilded spindle

[tiny yoke]

how will missed matches be scored, if some pairs don't manage to meet up?

[sharp bane]

going off of what has been said so far, it seems like they just simply won't be counted? although this leaves room for some good players losing points due to not being available at the same time as others they could have beat

also it requires the consent of the two players to start a match so it might rely a bit much on the good faith of the players to not manipulate matchups

[gilded spindle]

ah

you there?

[trim kestrel]

who ever has the most wins at the end of the time limit gets 1st
if you don't play matches then you won't have the ability to get an many wins as others

[sharp bane]

sorry, went to sleep by then slowking. Well, still got a week and a half to go, plenty of time for a match

I love how this is the first tournament where the game is updated nearly every day

[jagged flume]

Fortunate that none of the early matches were decided by the lack of close quarters nukes since that's a massive change

[sharp bane]

guess I'm 2-2 now

saris seems to be winning? but has also played the most games

[jagged flume]

I've definitely been paying the most attention to it. With how things are going it seems as though not all the matches will actually happen

[sharp bane]

still have a week and a half

but that does seem likely

[sharp bane]

I'm gonna have to stay up to 1 am for juno lol

some time

[jagged flume]

@wooden crystal won't say gg, toxic confirmed?

[wooden crystal]

i replied to the message with GX2 because you cant do gg in reactions 😭

[jagged flume]

A gg emote might be nice

[wooden crystal]

also yes toxic confirmed! just like hands confirmed!

because i am secretly evil and said gg instead of gg close to make my enemy feel as if they did not even get close

[jagged flume]

Also highlight of Gaxxian vs Veru since I happened to be there

[desert fiber]

@jagged flume Would it be possible to edit together all the matches in a youtube vid for those not in Cosmo Beta after the end of the tournament?

Plus for non-cosmo people to ooh and ahh at

[jagged flume]

Yes, it would!
I actually talked to @trim kestrel about that before the tournament even started. I would 100% being doing it, but Polar hasn't made up his mind on how to proceed and it's 'his' footage

[trim kestrel]

I just need to edit together the clips into a highlight reel I might have some time tomorrow to work on that

[desert fiber]

Sounds great!

[wind blaze]

I'll probably be doing matches later today

And none tomorrow

Finally got free time because of the hurricane, but I might not have power tomorrow lol

I don't have to time to make proper pvp ships, so I will be using the same ship for all matches. Please do not share what ship I am using so people don't counter until I have matched most people. I probably won't beat many people anyway.

[sharp bane]

I'll be up for a match today

[gilded spindle]

you free atm, or is later, later again?

@wind blaze

[wind blaze]

Will be soon

@sharp bane Won our match, not posting yet because I only have one ship

[wind blaze]

Same for SlowKing

[jagged flume]

@tiny yoke I noticed you was online

Care to have our match?

[tiny yoke]

I won’t be free until Friday unfortunately

[wind blaze]

Available

[jagged flume]

@wind blaze hosting in-game right now, or are you in Gaxx's game

[wind blaze]

In no game

gimmie 1m

Ready @jagged flume

[jagged flume]

Puitus station?

[wind blaze]

You forgot to use the mod

[wooden crystal]

@raw latch @tiny yoke ready to fight tournament matches?

[raw latch]

i cant for the rest of the tournament

[snow seal]

i am free...

help

[jagged flume]

You can just use this, this is the ruleset

Or at least, I think that's ok

[jagged flume]

Tis friday good sir

[snow seal]

yeah it's not downloading...

@jagged flume normal game with the rules then?

[jagged flume]

Yees

[tiny yoke]

Hi, yes I'm around to play nowish and this weekend

@jagged flume

[jagged flume]

Can you join now?

Cuz I can host now

I am hosting now

[tiny yoke]

i'll join in 10, my ship doesn't work right now :/

[snow seal]

also play me

[tiny yoke]

yup, this wknd and next

ping when done, i'm gonna keep fixing my logisticsx

[wooden crystal]

you ready to play now?

[jagged flume]

@tiny yoke ping

[tiny yoke]

oh, are we dropping the mod?

[wooden crystal]

?

[tiny yoke]

ok i'll restart

[wooden crystal]

ill load up the game

[jagged flume]

It broke and all it did was give you the settings, which I have saved

[wooden crystal]

saris want to hop in a vc?

[jagged flume]

Have to go unfortunately, only have time for the tourney match and then gotta run

[wooden crystal]

damn, alright

does ANYONE know the ruleset used in the mod??

[wooden crystal]

thank you i love you sweet dreams my guardian angel

[jagged flume]

Also I forgot to save Salephz and my match :agony:💀:pain:

@snow seal do you confirm that I won it or would you rather go again some other time

[wooden crystal]

.rec, no?

[jagged flume]

Overrode. I forgot to save it after saying I would

Am incompetent you see

[wooden crystal]

agh, unfortunate

my opinion doesnt matter much but i would say fight again so we at least have content for a voiceover/coverage video on the tournament matches and how it went

[snow seal]

we could play again :D

[snow seal]

@tiny yoke ya done?

[tiny yoke]

sorry, had to do a thing

back to building ship

[gilded spindle]

you free atm?

[snow seal]

nop

[gilded spindle]

aight

[tiny yoke]

What are the official tournament settings? Apparently the mod doesn't work

[snow seal]

btw i'm free

[jagged flume]

Warm up match between me and Salephz was super cool IMO

[jagged flume]

I suppose I should have just posted the main highlight/takeaway

[desert fiber]

So cool! I can't wait until this gets put to video and people get inspired to play Cosmo! subtle hint..

[jagged flume]

Believe you me I wantz to

[desert fiber]

Also Cosmoteer is looking more like Terraria every day.

[jagged flume]

Terraria is to videogames as crabs is to evolution

The natural endpoint of all games

[desert fiber]

yup

[sharp bane]

so, demondangr isn't available for the rest of the tournament?

[snow seal]

fun match vs eno

i autofired nukes because it would be easier than aiming them since he is so fast

[sharp bane]

yeah, that was a really surprising strategy

quite intimidating since my spinner relies on getting very close to focus damage

[jagged flume]

If you want to see the first and thus far most brutal use of it Nugg and my match might be interesting

[trim kestrel]

Sorry for the validation delays, I'll have them updated by tonight highlights should be uploaded soon™️

how are you feeling about the time remaining? I was thinking maybe extending the deadline to sunday night just so a few more matches could be done on the weekend

[jagged flume]

I can't give a good response because currently I'm winning

[snow seal]

i cant fight gaxxian because of conflicting schedules.. so extending it would be nice

[gilded spindle]

Up to sunday would give me the oppourtunity to fight juno

[sharp bane]

also is oem still planning to attend?

[snow seal]

any last minute matches?

[sharp bane]

I'm excited for the uploads

planning to have them commentated?

[snow seal]

get quix and cap to join in a discord call then all react to the .rec lmao

[sharp bane]

yeah that's the idea

[trim kestrel]

yes so far only Saris has responded I'll see if quix and cap can find a time to do a voiceover with me

[wind blaze]

We should have a classic tournament right before release, I'm happy to supply a copy of the game to the winner as the prize.

Or highest ranking player who does not have a free copy if the winner already has one.

Aka if an architect wins

[jagged flume]

There was actually an idea for that with an impressive prize pool for a grand finale, but Walt wasn't confortable with the prize money not being supplied by him

[wind blaze]

How come?

[jagged flume]

No reason to not use cosmoteer codes instead or such. I don't particularly recall nor is it really relevant ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wind blaze]

Yeah I was thinking I would just supply a code

[jagged flume]

Best of luck I suppose. I think everyone's already moved on at this rate

[wind blaze]

Yeah I think they all have

Everyone that does not have beta does demo

[jagged flume]

I'll honor that and paint one ship for each participant if they want. No promise as to when it'll be completed but it will be if one requests it

[snow seal]

gaxxian only won vs me? i guess timezone messed with him too much

[upbeat ridge]

win/loss based ranking would be hella scummy
hm, hard pick

[sharp bane]

if I had a finished ship I'd go, but...

it seems that the number of games that jun0 could play in total compared to saris affected the potential outcomes of the tournament

which is a shame, though I suppose if one is playing to win it would be feasible to play a game with every participant (except for people who are only available for 1 or 2 days in the whole tournament)

[jagged flume]

This format definitely wouldn't work for serious events given that it's dictated by how much someone cares and is willing to bother other players. Neat for casual at least

[upbeat ridge]

well, there wasn't too much of an incentive for the tourney, but an asynchronous round robin might work for tournaments that don't need active pilots, I.E. AI tournaments (which isn't really done to the degree it was back then anymore) so yeah

[bright anchor]

How do i join a tournament?

[gilded spindle]

None active as of now

None of any official capacity anyway

[bright anchor]

But how do you join when there is one

Just mp or is there a announcement

[snow seal]

it'll be in #tournament-announcements , and there will also sometimes be a pop up when u open the game

[wind blaze]

With the amount of players now I wonder how many we will get

[jagged flume]

@digital wasp if you're interested I could share some of the pretty consistent issues tournaments have had and how you might manuever around them

[digital wasp]

I have been summoned

yes I dmed you 😛

pls tell me

[digital wasp]

so enlighten me ❤️

[white apex]

pd :D

[jagged flume]

• Previews on/off:
  Previews off means that you can't see your opponent's ship, and ends up making it such that it's about guessing what your opponent picks and countering that, rather than piloting or skill. I personally can't stand this and won't run a tournament with this setting on.

Previews on means that you can see what your opponent brings, and some people think that countering the ship their opponent picks nonstop is fun for everyone and do so. This means that there has to be a solution to prevent this.
.

• Massive ship libraries:
  Competitive player such as myself amass a large selection of ships, effectively giving an advantage to those that don't touch grass and instead spend massive amounts of time making ships, wheris those with time constraints are lucky to get 2~3 good options. This helps make an unhospitable environment for new players

[digital wasp]

I think previews off will be the option, the competitors should not see what the other have and I will think of a way to hide it on the live feed to they can not stream snipe 😛

[white apex]

previews off is going to lead to some matches that r just "oop u chose a counter to me" *instant forfeit*

[jagged flume]

I can't say I'll be participating if that's the case, but to each their own.
.

• Global timezones
  People in the community live all over earth. No matter what time you pick, if it's a live event, someone will be excluded
  .
• Duration of tournaments
  Previously low amounts of players meant that double elimination brackets could work, but even that for a 16 player tournament can last 3~5 hours, exhausting for producers, casters, and participants who get further into the bracket. Some players may also simply not have the time to spend on all 3~5 hours and are forced to drop out or not participate

.

• Single elimination brackets
  Single elimination brackets, though easily the fastest, are brutal in how sudden they can be. A single loss and you're completely out of the tournament, where other E-sport arrangements have a minimum of best 2/3 and double elimination, with the later end matches being 3/5 or 4/7 to truly determine skill. Coming up with a solution to this that respects time while properly testing player skill has regularly and repeatedly been a problem
  .
• Point Defense
  PD is far too good at what it does. I strongly recommend limiting it in number to a maximum of 20 per player in a single match

[digital wasp]

But if you see what the other brings when does it stop on the ship choice?

would it not be a non stop switch of ships?

[white apex]

limited pd discriminates bc some ppl use more or less than others

usually ppl will have a mirror match if that happens, both use the same archetype

[jagged flume]

Yes, that's the issue the last tournament ran into. The solution I was going to try was to limit each participant to only three ships each, and each player could counter one ship on the opponent side (you can bring multiple of the same exact ship though). This also solves the issue of massive ship libraries as you can only bring a hard limit of three ships per tournament

Mirror matches are really cool but some players feel it necessary to completely ignore that in favor of counterpick loops

I believe that ship preview on heightens the competition since both players pick ships they're confident will win, making for tense and engaging matches

[digital wasp]

[jagged flume]

@white apex PD is cancerous, no one likes "screw you I picked rock, scissors in any capacity will no longer work to any degree"

[white apex]

rn nukes counter pd pretty well

[jagged flume]

No they don't

[white apex]

??? 80 pd ship loses to nuke avoider w/ piloting

[digital wasp]

What about no PD & No Nukes?

so they need to use flaks ?

[jagged flume]

If nukes land sure, but PD walls are kites and kites are easily capable of dodging nukes

It takes very little skill to stay out if range the entire time, and dodging the nukes is child's play even if you do eventually get into range

[white apex]

ur going to lose to literally every other archetype though

o wait rps yea

maybe very aggressive rod settings? less kiting

[jagged flume]

The issue with PD is that it shuts down completely HE missiles, rails, mines, cannons to a degree, EMPs, and the archetype itself most commonly utilized inherently beats nukes. It instantly wins. That's not fun or engaging to watch, or even win for the PD wall pilot. Banning it completely would be reasonable but for the sake of competition having 20 of it I thought struck a good middle ground

What's your reason for banning nukes Kormak?

[digital wasp]

None just a quick thought

[white apex]

yea but then stuff like this can't exist and the pd is not exactly cancer on it

[jagged flume]

I disagree

You shot down like 40 mines right in front of you in little more than what, 3 seconds?

[white apex]

i could do that w/ 2 flak too

adjacent mines chain

also flak is literally better against mines lol

[jagged flume]

Again, 20 PD is a good amount as it doesn't smash anything ammunition based. You just admitted you can supplement the low PD amount with flak too

Yes that's a 'healthier' use of them as they aren't being shielded on a kite, but they're still inherently powerful and equally unstoppable

[white apex]

pd and flak don't work together though

pd is going to be limited to basically just the back of ships, which ig is a good thing but also m orbis r going to be harder to counter w/ non walls

[jagged flume]

What would you suggest

"No more than 20 pd" is simple, easy to understand, and uncontrived. Something like "you can't put shields in front of PD" or "you can't kite with PD" are both subjective and confusing

[white apex]

per single ship?

[jagged flume]

Per total loadout. Two ships have 10 each, four have 5, etc

Otherwise you just split ships that then have 20 PD right next to each other with 40 overall, not fixing the issue

[white apex]

stuff like this which has (relatively) fair fights against m orbis (imo) r going to unexist

[jagged flume]

If you have a better solution please name it. Additionally those have good matchups because they're just untouchable by missiles

[white apex]

they're untouchable until they get rammed/seperated

[desert fiber]

Has anyone tried a missile/rail hybrid against PD? I've repeatedly demonstrated that that counters PD.

[white apex]

hybrids in general tend to counter pd

[jagged flume]

Hasn't been tested but I expect it not to given large shield are a lot more effective defensively

[desert fiber]

true

[white apex]

emp/rails use?? :O

[desert fiber]

Maybe. That relies on good timing with the rails to get them to land when the EMPs hit

[jagged flume]

Anyway! Lastly, so far as I'm aware, match settings

• Asteroids
  New addition, I recommend one just has the medium setting. High overly favors certain ship types while low/none is devastating to that ship type
• ROD
  How far away the ROD is, how fast it shrinks, if it shrinks, all can dictate how matches can unfold. Most agree a relatively close rod that shrinks is good because it doesn't overly favor kites, as well as forces ships together in the center
• Game Speed
  1/4x is way too slow, 1/2 is generally agreed to be a consistent and nice option. 1x hasn't been tried and might be neat, but 2x is a ludicrous idea better serving to a meme rather than skill/actual tournament
• Friendly Fire
  Generally unused, might be neat
• FOW
  Stream sniping is unstoppable and since you have to stream for it to be an event this shouldn't be turned on

I suppose you could try using Arena instead of Elimination but it's been a long time since it's been used, for better or worse

[white apex]

friendly fire going to remove mines and nukes

[digital wasp]

remove in what way ?

[jagged flume]

Air means that people will not be as incentivized to use them. Mines I agree, nukes I don't

[digital wasp]

ah but well it is a game of skill of course there be FF if we do 2v2 😄

[jagged flume]

@formal kettle we'ze having tournament discussions down here if youze so interested

[digital wasp]

what better way to loos for getting a nuke from your buddy in your ass where the cockpit lies

bad for the team hilarious for the show

[white apex]

going to favor dc over rts

actually for the content maybe

[jagged flume]

Yes! Teams hugely scramble things and would even let you use PD walls. However teams are much harder to organize and certain amounts of skill means certain teams are going to be absolutely unbeatable, so it can/might be necessary to try and artificially keep skilled players apart or suffer extremely one sided matches

[formal kettle]

Oh noes a tag in the tourney stuff

[jagged flume]

Just pinged you so you could read up about stuff if you wanted. Issues and concerns which I've been talking about since here #1020489415476396043 message

[digital wasp]

dont know we CAN keep skilled players apart

if we go 2v2

[jagged flume]

It'd require that players be aware of it and choose to exhibit self control for sure

[white apex]

skill is very subjective

ur going to get very different responses if u ask yare or nugg how good i m

[digital wasp]

How many players can be on one side

[jagged flume]

With a minimum of one person to stream it and there's usually 1~2 extra casters observing the match, only 2v2 or 3v3. If you wanted 4v4 you'd need the streamer to be a participant in every match

Could try FFA for more or odd numbers of participants per match but that's likely to cause a lot of upset people with statements like unfairness

[digital wasp]

There is an option for Allow Specators and I dont think that has influence of that if I go 4v4 i should be fine to still watch

[white apex]

u can only have 8 ppl in a lobby

[digital wasp]

I see

WAAAAAAAAALT

[jagged flume]

If you make a suggestion to #1019739575683399840 I'll upvote it at least...

[formal kettle]

Are you intending for a full 4v4?

[digital wasp]

So far the concept is
1v1 or 2v2 depends on where is more sign ups

• talk to sponsors for sponsorships

• have a 2-5$ sign up fee

• have qualifications going for reaching X players vs X Players so it can be done in 4-6hMAX live show to see the playoffs and see each match playing out.
  (finding a game time for it when "deathring" will close to enforce a finale)

• finding a max Credit thinking of 1mill | or 1.5mill

• game speed 1/2 | or 1/4 for having time to comment on the matches and not be over 2 fast ?!

• have max 20PD (how do we control that?)

• playfield / space with above normal amount of asteroids

• what time should we set the match time / what time should the shrinking of the zone hit aka what are the setting options on it?

[jagged flume]

Sign up fee??

[white apex]

pd is easy just ctrl shift a and see the number

[white apex]

ee that's what i was thinking too

rod for 3 or 5 min i think would be best

would force a lot more errors and make matches end faster

[jagged flume]

The rest seems good but sign up fees are new and I don't know how sponsorships would work. If sign up fees remains a thing then the event flips from casual to professional and will need a higher degree of control, consistency, and fairness

[digital wasp]

Oh the tournament will be something professional

my last event had nothing to do with pvp and "esports" but was a RL event in vegas for 15k people attending and much 200 ppl crew.

[white apex]

rn most ppl can say fairly confidently that they're not going to win if xx is in the tourney

like if nugg is playing then i have basically no chance

[digital wasp]

this would be a tackle to maybe bring Cosmoteer into the amateur leagues?!

[digital wasp]

that is the case in all sports / games , there is the ONE nemesis of them all.

[digital wasp]

Yep that is what I want to find and craft | a red line to follow | so it is fair / fun and I can present to sponsors

[white apex]

rn all the ppl that play competitively know each other though

the tryhard community is pretty small

[digital wasp]

of course cause the scene is small

exactly

But I manage to pull this off with some good sponsors trust me there will a huge interest in taking part in it, like it there is 500-1k$ to grab to place 1.

all depends how good of a rule set up I can write together | simple & easy to read and present it as a E Sports Competition to the people I know

Hard core fans of course will have an advantage but that is their fair play cause they just put in more hours then others

[white apex]

ye but out of the hardcore ones usually u know who's has a chance of winning and who doesn't

[jagged flume]

@narrow path has expressed disinterest in cash prices before, may be worth talking to him before one gets hopes toooo far up

[white apex]

a tournament is usually similar to casual matches but w/ more viewers

[jagged flume]

Yes Air, Kormak acknowledged that

[digital wasp]

100% will present him once I have all set and written down.

dont want to bother the busy man before I dont have something proper in hand.

[jagged flume]

I will say that I'm excited at the concept of a cash prize. Those get attention from far outside just Cosmoteer

[digital wasp]

that is the idea | to bring as much attention to Cosmoteer as possible

Walt deserves to become a millioneer out of this and bring us at some point Cosmoteer 2 in UE5 xD

will also poke big content creators once I have it all set out and the green lights. Maybe this becomes THE most watched event of the year or start of next year depends how fast i get all together

is there a way to decide how much dmg the ring of death does ?

bed time for me have some notes done will return with more questions or soon a done concept

[wind blaze]

I definitely agree with prizes, I am willing to pay for a $50 prize gift card.

As I have said in the past

How did you get the content creator role? I think I'll try to get it

[kindred arrow]

how much cash you think you need in total?

[digital wasp]

I think for until the last last top 20matches or so we go with 1 match elimination.

[digital wasp]

what exactly you mean?

[kindred arrow]

are you only thinking about giving the winner money?

[digital wasp]

I do not think I will put a limit on how much will be gathered in the "pot" is that the English term for it?

Have to see into global legal parts on that but if doable money if not | steam or amazon giftcard

[wind blaze]

If we have too many players we can have 3v3, I think it would be interesting to have a team credit limit without a ship limit.

[kindred arrow]

any way i can look that up?

[digital wasp]

YPR | All IN Vemma Convention 2014 might find something still on YT but has nothing to do with gaming.

You won the last competition @kindred arrow ? points at the champion title

[white apex]

not w/ out mods, faster shrink = faster damage increase though since smaller deals more

[digital wasp]

Nah going for the mod line is not a good idea.

[kindred arrow]

I won the last 2v2 Tournament with Gaxxian but that wasn't the last one... the last one was 1v1 where Slowking got the W

[digital wasp]

maybe we get an toggle for DMG/sec patch :3

[upbeat ridge]

can testify, i slept at least once in the last two tourneys i joined ever

[digital wasp]

Timezone will always be an issue but for big tournaments you either make a "sacrifice" in time to show up or you dont participate or your out.

[digital wasp]

Amazing, I now bow before you, legend !

[kindred arrow]

Yeah found it, but i don't really understand it, can you explain it a bit more to me (dm is fine too)

[topaz rune]

How are you planning to commentate? Are you planning to have guest commentators?

[jagged flume]

(People unfamiliar with cosmoteer do not make good commentators 💀)

[wind blaze]

And they should know the names for everything, I have played for 5 years but I haven't bothered to learn the lingo and would honestly make a bad commentator.

"And the runner thingy with missiles is getting chased by the guns with net on front"

[snow seal]

we have never had a tourney for money..

[topaz rune]

I'd also recommend watching some of the more recent tournaments to get a feel for it.

[digital wasp]

If Sb has a vod for it throw it to me

[digital wasp]

I will host the show and be as well the commentator.

Working rn on guides for beginners for Cosmoteer(some are uploaded already) and by the end I will be very familiar with the vocabulary/ looks & designs of it.
Maybe I find a suitable voice & face to join me, but normally too many cooks are making the soup 🍲 go bad

[sharp bane]

If we ever do FFA, it has to be arena I think. Elimination FFA doesn't work because even positive trades in damage and ammunition are a disadvantage later on and players are incentivised to a game of keep-away; meanwhile arena favours those who have a positive balance in damage points and requires engagement, but of course still has the inherent rng and mosh pit aspect of FFA.

[jagged flume]

Arena FFA would end up being based on respawn luck as everyone picks railfans and onetaps everyone around them before they can rotate 😆

[sharp bane]

fair :P

ffa in general isn't, though, it seems. Fair, i mean.

[jagged flume]

Theoretically the weaker players gang up on the strongers which would be really cool but in reality the strong wins anyway :agony:

[formal kettle]

Wait I scrolled up and saw making it a paid tournament?

[sharp bane]

don't worry that's only theoretical discussion so far

[digital wasp]

Aye a big tournament with an entry fee and hopefully a chonky big prize to win.

but first need to finish the Halloween work and then I am free to sit down start putting everything in motion

[gilded spindle]

this'll cause a load of commotion in the pvp area of the game, but the idea seems good

[balmy pelican]

Hai I have a question about tournament stuff, been watching some of the old Saris-hosted tourneys and they seem pretty cool! I see a lot of those tournaments are modded, is there a list or link that has what mods are being used?

I've seen some older rulesets but not sure if things are different now that the game is actually released

[jagged flume]

Only one of those has been modded, and that was a balance change mod. The majority of those balance changes have since been implemented into the modern version of the game

[balmy pelican]

Ah cool, thanks! In your video I kept hearing commentators talk about missiles hitting more without the mods and whatnot, wanted to be sure I wasnt missing something important 🙂

[white apex]

faster ships w/ same speed missiles = less hits

[digital wasp]

You can be 100% about that| PvP has also this fire of competition and where is competition people tend to get nasty and emotional and call each others names sadly

[snow seal]

in the past, our competitive community has been pretty chill

not sure what will change now that the game has exploded in popularity

[wind blaze]

I think people had to be chill or they would get very lonely because you could quickly run out of people to play with, it's different now

[minor quail]

Will the tournament return soon?

[jagged flume]

I plan on having a vanilla one come next month if no one else does

[balmy pelican]

I have a quick question about something for pvp/tournaments

Non-laser weaponry such as cannons, missiles, rails, etc all use ammo. Despite this I never saw anyone running out of ammo in the tournament videos (pre-game release, July 2022 and Dec 2021)

On the workshop, I’ve seen a mod called “classic Cosmoteer rules” or something like that that states that factories don’t need material (sulfur, etc) and just run on batteries making ammo

So my question is: How is ammo handled in pvp/tourney settings? Like, is needing to bring a storage bay or two of material the new standard? Factories used to only need batteries and now they need material? Or do 10 min matches generally just not last long enough for someone to run out of ammo?

[topaz rune]

Back in classic, factories didn’t require materials, so it wasn’t possible to run out. That wasn’t a mod, that’s just how it was.

A current version vanilla tournament implies no mods, so ships will be required to bring whatever limited supplies they require. Some weapon setups can get by on storage alone. Others will use factories.

Going forward, running out of ammo is definitely a concern.

[balmy pelican]

Good to know!

[balmy pelican]

On that note, is it worth it to have factories vs just storage bays now?

[topaz rune]

That’s a potentially long answer that’ll get us off topic, so the short, incomplete answer is: Yes for missiles, sometimes for other weapons, but often not.

[trim kestrel]

it depends on combat time, the longer it is the more cost effective factories are and the shorter the combat time the more cost effective storages are.

[formal kettle]

I personally am actively debating a AI based tournament sometime next month. Something quick that can be done as a tester to see if I still remember how to cast

[hexed sequoia]

I'm thinking of hosting a quick little tournament myself to be honest with different weight classes and such. Everyone designs 5 ships at 5 various price points and then they use the fleet to fight 1v1 fights in opening brackets before then throwing everyone into set brackets based on wins/losses

The limiting factors would be
Ship weight (price, not including crew)
Crew limits per weight
Weapon loadouts per weight. So the larger the more weapons can be fielded and such

[upbeat ridge]

where's the highlights

[snow seal]

@trim kestrel

[jagged flume]

There's technical issues since updates break replays

[trim kestrel]

more then that, I can't even open the beta anymore steam says no

I could record the matches I have still if you guys really want to see it

[desert fiber]

If there's no way to record some of the matches, that's alright, but it would be great to see the ones you were able to record, once you're finished.

[pale wasp]

had no idea there were tourneys. whens next one?

[sharp bane]

no planned dates yet

there are multiple people interested in hosting them, tho

[icy pine]

Could somebody give me the lowdown on how cosmoteer tournaments work?

[jagged flume]

The way I at least do it is as follows:
0 - I sometimes ask for preferred settings or start dates
1 - I announce the event and people sign up for it. I answer questions leading up to it
2 - People check in an hour before it starts and I make/fill the bracket accordingly
3 - I set up the stream, casters introduce themselves, post the bracket
4 - People join and play a round, then leave. I update the bracket accordingly and post it
5 - Repeat step 4 until all the rounds are over, then announce the winner(s)
6 - I tell Walt to give the winner(s) the champion role, I close the channel for tournament sign up and entry
7 - I make a highlight video now that I'm more comfortable and familiar with editing

Settings for the tournament are pretty much always 1.5mil ships in elimination mode

[upbeat ridge]

i've been watching the mp community and there seems to be an entire subsect separate from excelsior that involves themselves in domination, so i guess there's that potential

[jagged flume]

Potentially, but I'm not really as big a fan of domination. You don't get to see as many cool ship types, I feel, due to the unmatched effectiveness of cannons and blasters at smaller cost ranges

You do get to see neat micro too, but this comes at the cost of cool piloting tricks and maneuvers since your attention is so divided from your fewer amount of ships

[upbeat ridge]

i feel it becomes more on the ships than the pilots, so it becomes a showcase of the meta, which it basically already is

hmm, is there really no other way to provide your three ships than discord DMs?

[jagged flume]

They could be posted with tournament sign-ups but others may want to reserve their privacy, and it starts getting messy if you want to switch out what ships you use

[upbeat ridge]

i feel like my interpretation becomes more of an #1019739575683399840 post-type thing, so i'll avoid it for now

[upbeat ridge]

that's true, you can't make private threads in forum posts

[jagged flume]

I was actually thinking of making some sort of suggestion for tournament support so that this could more easily exist using in-game tools, but I'm not sure how to best describe it yet

[upbeat ridge]

ship-sharing between host and participants, native support for tournament brackets, and notifications using the steam api, i'm thinking

(take that how you will but those are some nice bullet points to someone who can deabstract this from experience, aka walt)

[jagged flume]

That's a great way to put it. It'll probably take someone more technically minded than me just to make it clear since I don't understand some of the words you used there 😅

[upbeat ridge]

saris do not get me started, i might jist rebuild cosmoteer from the ground up

[jagged flume]

@pine swallow appreciated! Next time tell me here will you?

[pine swallow]

ah ok

[chilly barn]

so there's a tournament that will go on in this month right?
Is it announced anywehere or just in tourmament sign up?

[hollow socket]

It was announced on Excelsior

[sharp bane]

in #events, as always

[white apex]

@jagged flume r u particiapting in ur tourney

[jagged flume]

Unfortunately not. I want to set a good example of proper and professional hosting and participating in events I'm the manager of is neither of those. It additionally gives me different circumstances, which is unfair no matter if they help or hinder me

It pains me to have to do but everyone else should be more capable of appreciating the tournament due to it having my undivided attention

[white apex]

mm ok

fair enough

[upbeat ridge]

i've always had this small issue where i don't have a view of both of the ships at the same time, and that just kind of makes me not know what's going on without the casters describing what's happening to the other ship

[jagged flume]

Well I always pan to the other one as an observer, is that just not fast enough or something?

[upbeat ridge]

if you go any faster then the audience would get confused

really, i feel like it'd be more like streaming the other casters' screens as a split screen

[upbeat ridge]

however this would be solved by tournament streaming, (refer to replied message for other ideas) which ignore the lockstep protocol by storing the inputs in either the host or the game server itself, and since it's a stream of inputs, you can watch with delay as each input set is requested
the issue now becomes sending the initialized inputs, so there needs to be some way to even more efficiently send the game settings and fast-forwarding the game to a reasonable, maybe 1 second delay

yeah i should write that post shouldn't i

[jagged flume]

It's super cool to see faces I don't recognize signing up for the tournament :D

[upbeat ridge]

does it have to be three ships or can i show off and just have two because of time constraints

[hushed wraith]

how long is the sign up open for? not sure if I can or cant but dont want to sign up and not be available

[jagged flume]

The sign up is open up until an hour before the tournament starts, which is where checkins begin

I don't recommend you wait that long because presumably you want to test and refine ships while practicing, but it's still completely fine to do so

[hollow socket]

If we get a hundred players signing up, this tournament will be very long

[jagged flume]

That would be both awesome and unfortunate because I don't think it would be possible to reasonably facilitate that in a single session, requiring on the fly ad-libbing

[snow seal]

do u want to add a max player count?

[jagged flume]

Worth considering in the future but I seriously doubt it'll be an issue

[jagged flume]

At the very least if enough players start participating tournaments can start being separated by skill so that we don't have players like me or Quix clubbing newer players

[dense pewter]

ok 2 questions:
1: until when is the sign up time? the document says when the tournement is, but mentions no deadline for sign ups

2: its 1v1 right? settigns say FFA, but by the way you said it I assume its 1v1?

[gilded spindle]

yep

1v1, and the deadline is before check in

so in and around an hour before the tourney?

[hollow socket]

If an odd amount of players are signed in for the tournament, which one will be chosen to move on without fighting a player, or will it be similar to the bsc tournament where it is a 1v1 bracket for just 2 players first then the bracket containing the rest of the players

[jagged flume]

Slowking will as the previous winner

[hollow socket]

For the three ships, do we pick and choose, or is it that we cannot use one we have already used

[jagged flume]

Former

[pine swallow]

#tournament-announcements message
Again, instead of using regular utc which people need to convert, you can just put <t:1669420800:f> <t:1669420800:f>

i dont really want to ping saris

[jagged flume]

The point is them making sure that the time is one they're actually available for

Obviously copying that message is more convenient but doesn't confirm that they'll actually be available

[sharp bane]

kokice was linking to #tournament-announcements

[jagged flume]

Fixed 😶

[pine swallow]

ah

ok

[pine swallow]

oh lol

[chilly barn]

I thought it was 6 not 18:00 😦
I'm gonna have to sign up now

oops sorry forp ing

wait it is 6?

or 1800?

[pine swallow]

what??

[jagged flume]

See this is why I didn't want to do it it never works

[pine swallow]

hmm

weird

[jagged flume]

There, it should be fixed now @chilly barn

[snow seal]

i think kokice u put the wrong time

[pine swallow]

the same timestamp is for both messages

[snow seal]

this says 4pm.. the event is at 4am

[pine swallow]

??????

[chilly barn]

Wait so is it 6 am est or 6 pm est?

[pine swallow]

discord timestamp is broken

wait

how does am/pm work again?

[jagged flume]

7 am EST if I'm not mistaken

[pine swallow]

ok

so thats literally the time it says

[jagged flume]

Nope, I had to copy a different message to get the right time card

[pine swallow]

the time is correct (for me at least)

im not too sure what happend

seems i got some unix mixed up

one is
<t:1669464000:f>
while the other is
<t:1669420800:f>

CURSE YOU AM/PM

confusing me

i just mixed up the damn time

everyone should start using military time

[chilly barn]

Ok then yours is right
I don't want to wake up early for it 😦

[jagged flume]

Bruh 7am? I have to wake up at 4

[pine swallow]

so?

its 00:52 for me

[jagged flume]

It means that Coolgamertag should still participate

[pine swallow]

ah

[dense pewter]

military time? just use the time everyone else but the english speakers use. 6 and 18 is much easier to differentiat then 6 am and pm XD

I mean be glad its only time, when we get to stuff like Centimeter shit start to get wild XD

btw one confusing wording of the rules:

the rules specificly mention that a ship that is more then one can also be one (so I assumed a ship that breaks in parts trough bombs)
but the rules also say to a maximum of 5 ships per player.
so people can sign up with lets say 5 ships and say 3 of them are "one" ship, or it only is allowed to have 3 but you can break one in parts?

i mean letzs hope not many players do it anyways bcs its anoying but still XD

[chilly barn]

24 hour time is what everyone should do

[chilly barn]

it's 6
and I normally wake up at 8-9
so not going to wake up for a tourney I very much probably won't win

[jagged flume]

Latter. Theoretically you could use 15 different ships, 5 for each of your three loadouts. Think of it in the game's slots, rather than splitting apart

Well you'll be missed Coolgamer

[gilded nimbus]

I think you'll find participating more exciting than you think

Besides, the 26th is a Saturday. You can always take a nap when it's over. I know I will; I'll have to wake up at 5AM 😄

Consider that if you get knocked out immediately like you assume, you will be able to go back to sleep rather quickly. But if you make it far into the tournament, then you will have gotten some interesting and intense fights with other competitive players.

It's a fun experience

And the experience is what matters

[jagged flume]

Given the small amount of players being knocked out immediately is unlikely since losers bracket and best 2/3

I also strongly agree with everything Pyraeus is saying

[chilly barn]

fair
I assume I can still sign up?
Just found out I can't get home until 10pm 😦
can't do it

[pine swallow]

well thats the name English speakers use, so i just used it so everyone understands

[sharp bane]

never heard of it referred to as military time

it's just the 24-hour format

ISO if you need to be specific

(and yes it's superior)

[normal root]

ISO 8601 to be exact

[jagged flume]

It's referred to as military time sometimes since it's easier and clearer, thus sees usage in a military context. 0600 and 1800 are distinct, 6 AM or PM less so

[sharp bane]

maybe it's an americanism

[normal root]

The worst with am/pm is that it goes 11am-12pm-1pm

[pine swallow]

yes

[dense pewter]

First time i heard that

Well we chilling with our clocks and metric Systems.
No confusion Over here

Interesting side fact

One NASA Mission failed in an exploding Rocker bcs a misstake in the usage of units

They outsourced some Math to other country but werent specific with the units, so they then forgot that others User metric and Applyed math in Metric to imperial scales.
But you rly Cant use Stuff like 1 Liter as 1 galon or so xd

Dont know exact Mission anymore

Think Was an unmaned Mission to Mars but Not sure

[pine swallow]

Yeah

to the 3 countries that use the imperial system; stop

[normal fulcrum]

What's the price bracket

[jagged flume]

...1.5mil

[normal fulcrum]

Thanks

[sharp bane]

@gentle dragon for the 65k tournament, is it possible to bring two ships which add up to 65k? Or only 1 ship per AI team?

also, what is done in the case of a tie or unresolved match? E.g, both ships run out of ammo, run out of power, or are stuck in a stalemate dealing no damage for hours at 1x speed

[snow seal]

stalemate means whichever is cheaper wins

[gentle dragon]

one ship, but you could attempt something like this guy did

https://i.imgur.com/MrNT6EI.png

which im guessing is just hoping to become two ships instead

ill likely have to look into the stalemate rule a bit because you can force stalemates by having an extremely fast reverse ship with an ion beam, vs a ship with a shield so you cant do anything to one another.

if the ion beam ship can do that + be quite cheap itll sort of just win by avoiding a fight.

will likely be something along the line of if a stalemate occurs due to battledamage sustained to both ships then cheaper ship gets the win, if a stalemate instantly occurs due to both ships being unable to damage one another itll swap to another arena that might limit that outcome or a coinflip for winner

or crowd votes for what ship they prefer 👍

like a roman emperor in the coloseum

[snow seal]

hey @gentle dragon what happens if a ship loses its cr then kills the other ship

[normal root]

good question, does the fight end when a ship lost its cr or when a ship is unable to fight anymore?

[pine swallow]

i think fires should be accounted for too

like, your ship has no weapons but the enemy is still dying

[chilly barn]

that's why you put a fe on your ship 🙂

[pine swallow]

yeah but

when no Iron is on the ship

[fickle agate]

Anybody knows what has happened to the Shiplet Tournament Event? I submitted a Ship but never got an answer or any comment by Mija. Is the event complete, ongoing, canceled?

[gilded spindle]

Will the locked voice channel get use for this tournament?

[jagged flume]

Potentially? Why

[snow seal]

mija is probably just busy irl and hasnt been able to respond to anything

[gentle dragon]

yeah theres been some family emergencies this week, ill get back with info and update the roster in a bit, final submission date will be Friday 16:00 GMT+1, which you can find your corresponding time for here (hopefully anyway)

https://dateful.com/eventlink/2475774702

current plan is to start tournament around 20:00-21:00 friday (tomorrow) but will come with an update in a few hours, could end up being on saturday instead.

[queen willow]

friday (tomorrow)
at the link appears the 2th december one 😛

[gentle dragon]

hm

well all that matters is converting the time to your timezone, the date is tomorrow, not december :p

[normal root]

the 2 december is also a friday

[novel rain]

you should post a pic of all the ships

[gentle dragon]

tourny will be saturday at 8pm (GMT+1), got a visitation time for a family member in the hospital (they'll be fine) at friday so will take advantage of that.

submission deadline remains the same.

@novel rain ill post an updated pic of it either later today or early tomorrow

[chilly barn]

Nice!

[dense pewter]

What tourne you even talk about?

Only tourne i See on discord is the November one by saris

[sharp bane]

this one #events message

the 65k shiplets AI-piloted tournament

also refer to: the tournament thread under #ships

[surreal pecan]

When is the estimated time of the next action design contest if that's known?

[jagged flume]

BBP is planning for after December ecember

[desert sky]

so the tournament is for the 2 of December ?

[sharp bane]

there is no tournament planned for the 2nd of december at the moment, no.

The 65k tournament is today, november 18

BBP's design tournament will be at some point after December probably

the 1.5 mil elimination tournament is on the 26th of November

[desert sky]

there are some place who say that the 65k tournament will happen on friday other place who say Saturday and even on the 2 of december

so i'm bit lost

[sharp bane]

mija said it will be GMT+1 20:00-21:00 today, 18th of november.

which means the stream should start 7 hours and 30 minutes from now

final submission time is in about 3 hours

[gentle dragon]

Final lineup for Shiplet tourny. Every ship sent to me in DM, posted in the Shiplet thread, or submitted here with an @gentle dragon tag has been added.

https://i.imgur.com/PQz9NDj.png

Tourny takes place tomorrow (Saturday) at 20:00 GMT+1 (this message was posted 16:55 GMT+1 Friday)

93 ships

Bracket will be posted late late today GMT+1 time, probably in around ~9 hours

[pine swallow]

so

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[wind blaze]

ahh dammit forgot to make mine

[gentle dragon]

https://challonge.com/shiplet

if your ship is missing you need to let me know as soon as possible so i can fix the bracket

[pine swallow]

what is that challange about again?

might join

wait no, i cant

[hasty jolt]

where/how can I watch this AI tournament?

[hasty jolt]

there are 93 ships in the image but only 86 ships in the bracket, 7 are missing?

[gentle dragon]

Shiplet Tournament will be streamed at 20:00 (50 min from now, roughly) at https://twitch.tv/osmija

https://challonge.com/65k

updated bracket in that link

[random flame]

ACK

what did i face againdt

whats left twix !

[fickle agate]

Is there a way to watch the tournament later as a record?

[random flame]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1657352249

yep

[hollow socket]

We are nearing the tournament

[gilded spindle]

6 days I believe

[white apex]

lol i have exactly 0 ships ready

[gilded spindle]

Speed up

[jagged flume]

7 actually but yeah currently onky like 4 people get to participate

[snow seal]

i'll join last hour if i can

because it really depends if i'm able to stay up late

[sharp bane]

I'll submit my ships when they done and 🤌

[jagged flume]

I'm going to react to player's tournament entry posts with 🔹 to mark that they've submitted their ships, by the way

[autumn maple]

Getting really tuff for me to pump out ships (skooooool)

[hollow socket]

with the tournament date closing in, it would probably be good to send in your ships

[jagged flume]

^^

[pine swallow]

oh sol its in three days

i should make my ships soon

[gilded nimbus]

I made two ships, started on the third, then went back and rebuilt the second ship so I still have one to go 😄

But I'll have it done in time, no problem

[sharp bane]

I had four ships and I'm making a v2 and v3 of two of them to maybe better suit the current competitive climate

also found out how to pilot an MSF much more effectively using ship groups so there's that

[jagged flume]

Very nice! Did you make the large shield spinner work?

[sharp bane]

I made a classic-type nuke spinner variant of it with small shields embedded in armour, but funnily enough it seems to do worse against all of the same ships

adding a circular ram cage to the ultralight version with large shields does help prevent ramming and keeps it spinning in a ram, though

[wind blaze]

Can you teach me how to make that kind of ship? I always run into issues with the inner piece getting stuck

[hollow socket]

Time runs thin

[gilded spindle]

2 days, hope everybody finds time today or tmrw to build their set of ships

[sharp bane]

reminder that you can only have 1 ship if you wanna

[sharp bane]

it takes a while to refine the core, but once you have the principles down (making smooth circles, avoiding corners which jam in it, optimal proportions of core shell and inner core), it becomes applicable to any mobile spinner fort. I have a few core variants I made for modern which I am happy to share for study or use. But, I do think that on the whole mobile spinner forts have suffered enough small nerfs that no variant will be a meta ship at the moment regardless.

an extremely strong pilot with good micro might be able to swing some matches using a light unarmoured spinner fort though

[vivid ore]

@past fiber the tourney is 12:00 UTC! u signed in for 18:00 UTC.

[jagged flume]

The Spacecat makes an appearance! Very cool, very cool

[vivid ore]

cannot not be in tourney - my ship(s) will be of the "show fight" aesthetic type, so not too hard to beat, hope that is ok.

[jagged flume]

I mean, I think it'd be cooler if you were attempting to win, but it's acceptable either way

[vivid ore]

i will not give anyone a easy time - but im just so much into aesthetic that i will use such ships.
(then again some of my aesthetics are stronger then other ppls combat ships bragging, flexing 🏋️ )

also i have almost 0 expierience in new multiplayer ...

"starting distance short" is hard. There might be reason for it tho.

is there opportunity of doing hyperjumps in multiplayer pvp? (i dont think so)

[jagged flume]

Not yet. Starting distance not short adds so much blasted wait time as both ships just meander over to one another

[past fiber]

It looks like I made a mistake, I just live in Omsk

[hollow socket]

But, it does allow time for you to do commentary on the ships, and build up "hype" for the battle

[gilded spindle]

It's a trade off, give the commentators more time, but builds tension for the players

[spice remnant]

Are mods allowed

Also in the future could there be a juggernaut tournament where some ridiculously expensive ships 1v1

[white apex]

also makes factory -> storage stronger/worse since u have time to actually load ur storages

[hollow socket]

not in this tournament

there have been tournaments that used mods

[spice remnant]

Damnit

[hollow socket]

and tournaments can be any budget

if they can gain anyone to play them

[spice remnant]

Most of my ships use the auto cannons mod to add secondaries and I would have to find a new secondary weapon to use

[hollow socket]

personally i despise all mods

[white apex]

everyone has to join the same game so no

any modded tourneys r going to explicitely state that

also modded balance tends to be really bad so it's not very fun

[spice remnant]

Thank you

[spice remnant]

I’m going to now probably phase out the auto cannons

[hollow socket]

exactly, which is also why i blocked that modded ships channel

[white apex]

mods can do better aesthetics almost always though

[hasty jolt]

mods can be great for various things, but generally not for balance or competitiveness. And if anything there must a set list of used/allowed mods.

[white apex]

there was a ksf fighter tourney a longggg time ago

[spice remnant]

I use auto cannons as an easy to use secondary that looks good

As autocannons work like deck guns

And I want more weapons that work like that

But by phasing them out I would save a lot of room and money as they cost like 15k and are a 3x3 for what is essentially a slightly better point defense

[dense pewter]

Hey question about how you guys count time:

The Tournement post says 12PM UTC Time.

But what is 12PM, by your definition, bcs is aw people in here discuss before its weird. I would assume 12:00 means 12:00 and not 0:00 (on 24h clock)

Am I right and you mean 12:00 clock and not 0:00 / 24:00 ?

[hasty jolt]

Yeah I agree 12 AM/PM is unclear, some other places I've seen use 11:59 AM/PM to avoid that confusion.

[dense pewter]

11:59 am / pm is more clear but still could generate confusion. I assume using 24h clock for international events is the easiest way. after all only america and Britian rly use AM/ PM anyways instead of 24h

[dense pewter]

but is it now 12:00 or 0:00? i asked someone esle who said me 12pm is 12:00 and not 0:00. thats right i assume now

[hasty jolt]

I think it goes 11 am, 12 pm, 1 pm. Which to me doesn't make sense, but I'm fairly certain that's how it's used.

[dense pewter]

kk then its same as i found online as well as by another person so i assume its right., thanks my friend

btw now that we talked about time stuff: was anyone else confused when he heard UTC? I always see people use GMT and not UTC. i mean its basicly the same by what i found now.

[hasty jolt]

I actually see UTC most of the time, and after a quick search the correct use would be UTC and not GMT.
UTC is what is compared against, like you have UTC+1 and UTC+2 and so on, GMT is just the timezone that corresponds to UTC+0.

[dense pewter]

Well in most tournements in other games i played it was GMT used as the neutral timezone. but I also think they were more often organized by Europeans so maybe its a cultural difference idk.

[gilded spindle]

UTC, But if where you live corresponds with GMT, use GMT

[dense pewter]

Btw another question @jagged flume . The tournement document mentiones that we have to be 1 hour early for the check in and that we will be pinged . So how exactly does the check in work? we get pinged via PM or in a discord channel and then have to reply to it?

[dense pewter]

well UTC is basicly GMT. i dont know if UTC uses summer/ winter time (GMT doesnt, which is why i saw most people use it as the neutral time zone) but apperently the UN has created UTC for more clearity. idk. weird politics decision i guess. and not important. was just curios if its like an american thing to use UTC, bcs i always saw GMT used for global tournements but were games like RTS Games who normaly have bigger european then american communitys so i woundered if there is a connection

[sharp bane]

GMT is greenwich mean time, UTC is universal coordinated time, it is pretty much a political decision to de-emphasise the centering of time zones on the past capital of the British Empire.

I've seen both used but GMT more so in everyday conversation, I have not noticed a difference between europeans and americans but maybe there is one.

[jagged flume]

I said 12pm UTC. If you type that into google it should automatically convert it. If it helps try 11:59 AM UTC.

I'll ping everyone in the #1039464061798191124 thread, and you'll just confirm that you're awake and available

[hollow socket]

just in case, why not ping 6 hours early

[jagged flume]

Cuz checking in that early would be early enough for someone to go back to bed or forget

[hollow socket]

it'd still tell them it's very close

[hollow socket]

what about a notification 12 hours before the tournament begins, giving ample time to prepare

[jagged flume]

Shouldn't one already be available and aware of when the tournament is? You signed up for it after all

[hollow socket]

Yes, but you never know how some players are,

Some may be highly forgetful and don't see time passing

[spice remnant]

same I want my ships to fight well and look good, so I want more turreted weapon options

is there a credit limit?

[jagged flume]

1.5mil

[spice remnant]

thank you my newest ship now toes that line

[jagged flume]

Surprise sign ups! Very cool!

[vivid ore]

curios how ship selecting will work - you ask saris to load up a "deck" - so basically saris does the rockpapaerscissors for you?

Still think hiding ships for everyone (mask/hide the area in the live stream) would completely eliminate rockpaperscissors game in the menu.
Would be a surprise what spawns on the map. Would encourage building ships that handle more then one situation.
Also less stress for the host.

[gilded spindle]

The issue is that it doesnt remove RPS from the game, making it very one sided in some fights

[white apex]

it's time to make 3 ships in like 8 hourssssssssss

actually more like 6 bc i have thanksgiving stuff to do

[sharp bane]

haha classic

[hollow socket]

The before tournament crunch

[gilded spindle]

The fabled tourney panic

[vivid ore]

afaik you are allowed to bring up to 3 x 5 ships so you could go with just 1 x 1.5mil also

[white apex]

ye but i want to go w/ 2 1.5 and 2 traps

[vivid ore]

you cannot use a 1.5 & traps - max credtis 1.5mil

[sharp bane]

I think air is talking about having them as separate loadouts

[gilded spindle]

I mean there's a chance for the enemy to just win via having a hardcounter

it goes against the spirit of competitive imo

just losing isn't fair

[vivid ore]

there is no way you could eliminate hardcounters other then categorizing ships and then have same ship type or iven same ship battles, but the latter gets boring very quickly.

not seeing ships in lobby, before battle would be way better then rps in lobby.

lets say it is best of three and hardcounter happnes in first match - then the follow up match will be very interesting because the winner knows that the looser will try to pick a RE counter, but knowing that the winner knows he might not and so on and so forth ...

Blind ship picking is simple to execute and would be best.

[gilded spindle]

Let's see how this turns out first of all

then you can draw your opinion more clearly about it being better

[vivid ore]

ofc, but my bet is: it is a lot of work for saris, but might hardly be effective in any area other then reducing lobby time.

will be intersting how exactly it works - messaging saris wich ships to pick without the other players knowing?
... would be very similar to just blind picking.

[gilded spindle]

except you can change

[pine swallow]

in the tournament i could be getting:

Bragging Rights
Custom paint job for all three of first place’s ships
Unique Discord Role
Starbound Game Key
and i especially want the game key

but sadly

i cannot go into the tournament with my current ship building skills :(

[sharp bane]

you could if you bribe every person you're facing in the bracket

[pine swallow]

hmm

i guess

[sharp bane]

also, everyone is welcome, I definitely wasn't any good in my first tournament

[pine swallow]

i know

but i am horrible at ship building

also, when is the next one?

[sharp bane]

official tournament... no idea, but approximately monthly seems reasonable

[pine swallow]

ah

[sharp bane]

but if you include unofficial tournaments both in this server and in other cosmoteer servers, more like weekly probably

[jagged flume]

I won't be doing December

[pine swallow]

january?

[hollow socket]

12 hours until the tournament begins

[jagged flume]

Try closer to 17 and 13 minutes

[pine swallow]

sad

im have no time for tournament :(

[hollow socket]

there are more tournaments in the ocean, you'll catch one eventually

[pine swallow]

but when

no December tournament

[sharp bane]

always possible that someone else hosts

[dense pewter]

greenwhich was never a capital. it was the place were th worlds first scintific space lookout was, which is why it was choosen for its scintific historical value as the point to draw the line for spliting time zones. and cbs we still have our time zones splited the same way as back then it also never changed.

guys where again was the directionary to find the cosmoteer ships in?

[snow seal]

he means capital as in the entire british empire

[dense pewter]

which always was london, never greenwhich

[snow seal]

capital as in not the city but the entire british empire

[dense pewter]

which is wrong. it was a port city. one of the worlds most active ports citys, but no capital.

"" But have you ever thought about the fact that every other time zone in the world is measured from a single line running through Greenwich? Marking the centre of global time, the line is called the prime meridian – and you’ll find it at the Greenwich Observatory. "
was decided in 1884 by a international meeting in washington dc.
"The second (reason to choose greenwhich" was that in the late 19th century, 72% of the world's commerce depended on sea-charts which used Greenwich as the Prime Meridian."

it was a big port city with the worlds first observatory. peolle chose it for conviniance and the observatory for its history and scinitif meaning

if you dont believe just google it.

[snow seal]

given the context of what enoshade said, i think he used the word capital in a way to describe the dominance of the british empire rather than specifically denoting greenwish as the capital of england

[white apex]

wait what

[dense pewter]

"past capital of the British Empir". greenwhich wa sno capital

[snow seal]

the tournament starts 17 hours and 13 minutes after he sent that message

[white apex]

panic averted

[dense pewter]

but back to tournement questions:

[white apex]

still have to do all my ships :agony:

[dense pewter]

so how do i find the directory inw hich the ships are?

[snow seal]

i think the word "capital" is describing "british empire" not "greenwich"

[white apex]

see pins of #ships

[jagged flume]

Users/User/Saved Games/Cosmoteer/User ID/Saved Ships

[hollow socket]

15 hours now

[gilded nimbus]

https://i.imgflip.com/2pu71h.png
When the tourney is tomorrow morning and you have creative block on your third ship

[jagged flume]

You can enter with less than three loadouts mind you, the third wasn't a requirement

Or second for that matter

[white apex]

imagine having ships

[gilded nimbus]

Well it turned out eating food and running some errands is great for clearing the head. I just finished. 😄

Now only time will tell if my ships are good or not.

Luckily I won't have to wait long

[dense pewter]

imagine staying up to 5 am to finish the third ship XD

cya guys

[white apex]

that's what i'm doing lol

[hollow socket]

7 and a half hours now

[white apex]

*genuine panic*

[jagged flume]

@white apex @icy pine @autumn maple @normal fulcrum @signal valve @real spire @buoyant karma none of you have submitted any ships and won't be able to participate tomorrow until you do. The tournament is in 7 hours from when this message was sent

@vivid ore you only submitted 1/3 available loadouts, and can have two more if you choose to submit more ships

[white apex]

i'm doing it rn lol

[jagged flume]

When I wake up tomorrow an hour before the tournament I'll be pinging all of you again

If you fail to submit ships I won't include you in the bracket and you'll be barred from entry, so be aware

Normally I would feel bad about it, but I've given like 4 warnings and multiple weeks of advanced notice so I'll probably be more than comfortable, if not gleeful, not restructuring the bracket to include you

[hollow socket]

If it is the last resort, you can always use one of those classic ships edited for modern

[jagged flume]

Yeah you can totally use built ins, just tell me before doing so. As is you guys seem as though you've dropped off the face of the planet

[white apex]

i've made like 10 ion ships all w/ impossible cores or forgetting that tb blocks each other

it's going great

[jagged flume]

Well you have six more hours and 55 minutes 😛

[white apex]

mhm

[hollow socket]

Ions and tbs, hmmm

[white apex]

i m going to dieeeeeeeeee

i accidentally pressed ctrl l D:

my entire shippppppppp

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[gilded nimbus]

What is that command?

[snow seal]

it's in lost ships folder @white apex

[white apex]

quick load

[white apex]

thank you so so so much

[jagged flume]

Imagine not unbinding quick save and load 💀

[snow seal]

smart

[white apex]

i still use them sometimes

[signal valve]

Imagine having to wake up at 4am to actually play in the tournament

[white apex]

i'm doneeeeeeeeee

i will do 0 tetsing and go straight to sleep

goodbye

[hollow socket]

5 hours remain

[autumn maple]

8 will do

Almost finished with my ships

Sadly missing one painted

[hollow socket]

but more than 8 could be better

[hollow socket]

2 hours now

[gilded spindle]

time for the last hour tourney panic

[upbeat ridge]

goddamn traffic not letting me build toruney ships

[gilded spindle]

oof

[gilded spindle]

I forgot I was muted

'-'

[vivid ore]

no tourney check ins this time? im here 👋

(oh im actually 1 hour early)

[gilded spindle]

yessir

[dense pewter]

Same for Deck cannon btw which makes a in theory good combi Not so.
Tbh would rly like a specific rework for tb but thats a Different Story

[dense pewter]

Tomorrow : why is the Ship Not fireing. Fck forgot a door

[sharp bane]

anyone else made a cheat sheet for their ships? no? just me? oh well.

[hollow socket]

10 minutes before check in

is Saris here yet?

[sharp bane]

It's 5am for saris iirc so I hope he wakes up on time

[hollow socket]

imagine if he sleeps in

should we do the ping instead, just in case?

@glossy rampart @buoyant karma @dense pewter @spice remnant @real spire @vivid ore @past fiber @lunar ice @normal fulcrum @signal valve @bright anchor @autumn maple @upbeat ridge @hollow socket @icy pine @gilded nimbus @white apex @gilded spindle @sharp bane @jagged flume a ping to remind you the tournament starts in an hour, i am only doing it since saris is offline

[past fiber]

is it unknown when Saris will come?

[hollow socket]

yes, but it is assumed that he will be here very soon since it is the morning time in his timezone

[past fiber]

ok

[autumn maple]

just spam ping saris

[hollow socket]

i pinged saris already

[jagged flume]

Bruh

[hollow socket]

i was just making sure

[dense pewter]

Well Iam here as you can see

Going to Show er now but means i ne back in time

[autumn maple]

ma boi is alive

[hollow socket]

45 minutes

[snow seal]

tourney starting soon.. and i think i'm too sleepy to participate

[vivid ore]

fun is more fun then sleep

[safe delta]

Hey guys, maybe a dumb question, but I'm new here. 🙂 Where do I watch this thing? 😄

[vivid ore]

link will be posted here soon most likely

[safe delta]

alright, thank you

[gilded spindle]

It'll be linked it #tournament-announcements

[hollow socket]

35 minutes now

30 minutes

[gilded nimbus]

I'm here for check-in.

[hollow socket]

nice

[hollow socket]

want to join us doing before tourny battles?

[sharp bane]

I can join

[glossy rampart]

here for check in

[sharp bane]

hi, no mic haha

[upbeat ridge]

in chat chat check quix

[sharp bane]

Checking in.

[gilded nimbus]

Am here

[hollow socket]

i am also here

[gilded spindle]

here

[lunar ice]

here

[snow seal]

hello hi i am very tired and nervous

[autumn maple]

im not here definitely not here

[real spire]

im here

[past fiber]

im here

[glossy rampart]

not here

[signal valve]

im here

[buoyant karma]

here

[vivid ore]

check ♟️

[signal valve]

(It's 3:44AM help)

[buoyant karma]

same

west coast just woke up

[glossy rampart]

also same

[buoyant karma]

and I have work tmr, damn myself

[hollow socket]

5:46 am for me

[sharp bane]

I should have trained more vs high-ping opponents ngl

[snow seal]

who are our beautiful tourney hosts today?

[buoyant karma]

lmao

[vivid ore]

I should have trained more vs high-ping opponents ngl

[buoyant karma]

if quix is not participating its prolly him and saris

[upbeat ridge]

ha imagine not being the high-ping opponent

[sharp bane]

ha

[buoyant karma]

just turn on your lag switch

[glossy rampart]

imagine