how to use color instead of texture? (or its called colormap or something i dunno)

[twilit breach]

not sure what its exactly called but what im aiming for is making pixel ugc on roblox and i noticed some ugcs on roblox dont seem to have a texture. textures in roblox use like billinear filitering or something like that but not nearest filtering. i cant really change the texture filtering on roblox studio and i already looked into trying to change the filtering but roblox always forces it to use billinear filtering or something like that.

if blockbench can't do something like that besides plaster extension and upscale then i assume its blender that does so if it is blender then i'll first try something on blender then i'll just request help on the blender discord server.

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[twilit breach]

how to use color instead of texture? (or its called colormap or something i dunno)

i'll go ahead send a couple of ugcs that show something worth pointing out. they're from my inventory by the way.

this one here is completely textureless, take a close look in 3D mode: https://www.roblox.com/catalog/5031262009/Dude-what-game-am-I-missing-now

and this one is what i wear on my avatar. textures are present in this one. however, if you take a close look at the face, hearts, and maybe the ears too, they have no texture it seems. https://www.roblox.com/catalog/106652189847694/Orange-Cat-Cube-Pixel

im able to tell because textures are supposed to use just texture filtering.

not nearest-neighbor

billinear filtering or something like that

@vocal atlas is this a interesting find? what do you think?

[vocal atlas]

I have no experience with Roblox or that uving style whatsoever

[twilit breach]

oh.

[vocal atlas]

that cat just looks like it uses really upscaled textuers

at least band on those blurry transitions between pixels

[twilit breach]

yeah it does but in some spots it doesn't (mainly the face) and the roblox game engine limits textures to 1024 by 1024.

the purple-black ugc is probably made using blender. i remember seeing that thing on top of the head in blender somewhere.

[twilit breach]

🗿

[vocal atlas]

yeah, not sure either
I heard some trick about loopcutting very close to the edge to counter hte blurriness, though idk how that would help 🤔

[unique stream]

Guess the method is to loop cut to hell your model to have separate faces for each pixel. This way the texture can be even smaller if you want to optimize that, though the model becomes less optimized.

The texture would only need a 3x3 pixel area for each color present in the model, the UV of each face can be shrunk to occupy a really smaller area in the central pixel. Your texture would basically look like a palette. That would be needed if the filtering causes texture bleeding and you needed a margin around each color.
But if it's not as bad as this, you could achieve the same result visually by keeping the original texture and just loop-cutting, maybe by also shrinking all UVs in place.

[twilit breach]

oh you mean like subdivide so there can be more polygons? but are you also saying that's another way by doing something with the UV?

[unique stream]

Uh both, you can subdivide so that each pixel is a face. And if you did that, you might as well make the texture smaller, by moving each face UV over the one pixel of color.

[twilit breach]

okay i'll give it a try.

on blockbench, right?

i think so

[unique stream]

yes

[twilit breach]

thanks

[twilit breach]

so basically, my model is now looking like it was built, "block by block".

just like in minecraft lol

though im pretty sure there's faces inside the model.

lol

maybe this is what you mean by unoptimized.

to be honest

i did think of building the tail in roblox studio "block by block".

but i didn't think it was a great idea because when you look inside, you see extra faces that dont need to be there.

okay i turned it into meshes then merged the meshes.

my UV looks something like this right now:

[unique stream]

Yeah that's the idea. Except it's not built block by block, it's the regular cuboids with loop cuts, that's all

[twilit breach]

yeah i know lol

but umm

i tried exporting it to roblox studio and it didn't make a difference. i even tried cubes, meshes, merged mesh too

[unique stream]

try making each uv smaller too

[twilit breach]

how small? its 16x

[unique stream]

you can shrink the UVs even more than 1x1px

[twilit breach]

alrighty then. ima try it

[unique stream]

You can select a bunch of face UVs at once by click and draging inside the UV panel, then use the Size sliders at the bottom of the panel to scale them down while pressing Shift or Ctrl to have smaller increments.
This way they'll get scaled individually by their top left corner, instead of uniformly. Then scoot them down and right to be well in the middle of each pixel.

[twilit breach]

video isn't playing for me so i downloaded it.

[twilit breach]

like this?

[unique stream]

yes

there's no telling how much Roblox will blur the texture though. Maybe doing it a little more will work, maybe not.

[twilit breach]

it looks interesting:

ignore the bottom

it worked but there's these weird shadows/gradience.

i also look closer and i dont see any blur but this weird effect on it

maybe its needs to be smaller

ima try that

okay so there's a difference

but i guess i gotta go SMALLER

small as possible

i suppose

[unique stream]

yeah you can even overlap the four vertices on the same spot

[twilit breach]

there

its perfected

[unique stream]

Oh yeah, I hurried for the video and used a cuboid with a number of loop cuts that didn't match the cuboid size, but instead of of approximately scaling , you can make the size 0 0 by clicking the two Size sliders without holding a modifier key, then hold shift and click the two Move sliders (to offset by half a pixel).

[unique stream]

Great!

[twilit breach]

thanks a lot

i appreciate it

[unique stream]

So now you could open the original model, convert all cubes to meshes, select everything, and do what I said here#1447340551484608583 message

[twilit breach]

👍

[twilit breach]

i'll also see what i can do for the faces inside the tail.

since they dont need to be there.

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[twilit breach]

what the hell..?

i found this inside the tail

never expected this

lol

and yeah im cleaning the inside

its gonna take time and effort to do that lol

but im doing it

well it didn't take long since there were not many of them

@unique stream do i need to merge all of them together into one mesh?

[unique stream]

Unless you don't count on having any animation, no.
Well, still you could, but then you'd have to rig and skin it with an armature, instead of simply using groups like in Minecraft.

When exported as gltf or other such formats, "cubes" from Blockbench are already turned into Meshes, it makes no difference.

The only reason why you had to turn cubes into meshes in Blockbench was so that you could subdivide them.

[twilit breach]

oh okay i only need to do make it one mesh if doing animation, got it. and also, i had to make it into meshes so i can remove the faces inside the tail.

[twilit breach]

okay i imported it into roblox studio, looks nice but the asset creator plugin only seems to select a part of the tail.

im figuring it out at the meantime

[twilit breach]

okay there

i nailed it

yippe

[unique stream]

No you misunderstood, merging into one mesh adds steps in order to have animations, compared to keeping groups.

You only really need an armature if you need the model to deform with animations, but that isn't how Minecraft models are animated, they are rigid.

[twilit breach]

👍

[deft falcon]

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[twilit breach]

yes, i split the head into pieces.