Twisted #̵̍͑$̶̄͝%̶̲̕@̶͆̅$̸̑́#̵͂̈́%̵̾@ feedback thread

[deep kayak]

too harsh

and thats not a bad thing right

[summer tusk]

Meanwhile skt : one tap one tap and literally meanwhile gs with similar bs

[willow plaza]

No, just that it's probably been done the way it is to make use of existing tag tech

[pale creek]

If you cant kill screamroom what are you even doing tbh

[deep kayak]

i think it should be in plugin it will be more consistent

[deep kayak]

too harsh for something that can just happen randomly

[summer tusk]

Afking or having 10k ping

[deep kayak]

like u cant fail screamroom yes but

[summer tusk]

The cast time is literally fixed

On gob what

[deep kayak]

you can also happen to have a jumper on you

[summer tusk]

[pale creek]

Uh i dont think you can even reach it on 10k ping

Id uninstall at that point

[summer tusk]

[deep fox]

if you have a jumper on you during screamroom you have bigger problems

[pale creek]

I mean yea ig

Screamroom is kinda only a check if you killed all threatening mobs

[deep kayak]

isnt it random

[pale creek]

Psure it is set hp

[mental cloak]

it has a cooldown but is not set hp

[summer tusk]

After first hallucinations,
I forgot when
And after third hallucinations

I am certain that it is fixed

[long pond]

If you phase transition the boss without killing a hallucination it will never cast screamroom

So its not tied to hp

[vivid garnet]

scream room has not set hp but has set phases when it is cast

[summer tusk]

Another sarmor user

[mental cloak]

if screamroom casts twice in a phase you have done something terribly wrong, or are stalling

[mental cloak]

the dr is not 100%

[deep fox]

or playing tcleric

[mental cloak]

even tcleric doesn't hit two screamrooms lmfao

[vivid garnet]

sarmor is such a name

[mental cloak]

sarmaaaaaaaaa

[deep kayak]

when sconstruct

[summer tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1258963746655703102/1374775287967125514/Minecraft_Java_05-21-2025_23-42-1-296.gif

[deep kayak]

or smth

[vivid garnet]

sanctmor

[slow drum]

it’s both health thresholds and on a timer

[mental cloak]

bedwars

[slow drum]

that’s what the Dream told me anyways

[pale creek]

Tcleric soloes the boss faster than most other classes

[mental cloak]

that's a skill issue have you tried clicking harder

[pale creek]

Ok

Will do next time

[deep fox]

break mouse%

[mental cloak]

also "most other classes" means what.
alchemist, mage, shaman?

warlock?

[deep fox]

reaper!

[pale creek]

And scout

[mental cloak]

me when the aoe class does not do good boss damage in fact

[mental cloak]

you just simply have to use mscoh wait.

[deep kayak]

so basically you being an intern or smth

[pale creek]

Me when support class does it faster than most of classes with negative effort involved

[deep kayak]

or jade leaking literally everything

[mental cloak]

cleric is support magic damage 🤷

[slow drum]

i’m not an intern

[pale creek]

Yes of course how did i not know this

[deep kayak]

so jade leaks everything

[mental cloak]

honestly it would be surprising if it didn't do at least okay

[pale creek]

It is not surprising

Boss that does hit you, doesnt instakill, has adds

[mental cloak]

the boss just favors tank in general

[pale creek]

No anti tank mech

[mental cloak]

yeah

[deep kayak]

hey what if you did duo with thorns + bers

[mental cloak]

I have

its
okay

I can't recall the clear speed but we did pretty well

[pale creek]

speedrun any%

[mental cloak]

it was smooth unless the bers died

[deep kayak]

i think duo goomba stomp bers is faster

[mental cloak]

probably

[pale creek]

Perhaps one of fastest comps you can get

[deep kayak]

true

best comp probably involves a bers

[pale creek]

It is

[deep kayak]

idk killing elites is so much time

[shrewd hare]

me when the arena at the end is covered in wither floor

[pale creek]

It never goes all the way

[shrewd hare]

doesnt the boss start covering the floor using some ability though

[deep kayak]

i hate kb it ruins my dps

[pale creek]

I mean

[shrewd hare]

in my atrocious swordsage runs the entire floor was covered and i just kinda died

[pale creek]

It does

But you dont have to dodge or anything on tcleric it just kills it faster

On ssage theres actual skill involved

You have to dodge in usual ssage build

[polar loom]

i can get it to the boss rush with bis harb (i died to winged titan all my homies hate winged titan)

[deep kayak]

winged titan is kinda free on bers

another bers win

[polar loom]

on harb you are cooked (take 2 hits and you die)

[meager token]

Funny on Hunter

[slow drum]

mfw the glass cannon archetype is glass

were you runninng mixed

[vivid garnet]

as a hunter ranking bosses:
easy - white, willows
medium - magenta, yellow
doable - orange, light blue

[deep kayak]

the standard "bis agil" actually has 130 ehp

[vivid garnet]

magenta makes the timing really close with the healing

[deep kayak]

easy : willows, orange
medium : white, magenta
hard : yellow, light blue

[polar loom]

of course i was ash who do you take me for

[slow drum]

mechanistor runs 60 ehp iirc

[deep kayak]

gg

[meager token]

my ranking as Hunter:
easy - white, magenta, light blue, yellow
hard - willows, orange

[deep kayak]

light blue you cant mslam and yellow u cant see the boss

white has too much kb and magenta has too much adds

[meager token]

(edited for clarity)

[polar loom]

rotting skullcap, silver vestment, venomous folly, threadbound, wolfsblood, fvoid 🔥

[meager token]

you mixed armour and agility. you deserved to die

reee

[deep kayak]

run sentinels

[polar loom]

no

[deep kayak]

better ehp same dmg

[polar loom]

true

[deep kayak]

also run regalia imo

[polar loom]

i normally use empty echoing steps for boots

but threadbound is funny

[vivid garnet]

ranking by bers?

[deep kayak]

more dmg to elites

[deep kayak]

yes

[vivid garnet]

makes sense

[polar loom]

swordsage makes most of them easy

[deep kayak]

honestly magenta is free

[polar loom]

i duo with an apoth so

[deep kayak]

if u have mslam

[polar loom]

the worm enemies are dead like instantly

[deep kayak]

or eq staff

[vivid garnet]

magenta boss heal makes me almost lose bc i lack dps with adds clear setup

[deep kayak]

for me its 10 hits at best

[vivid garnet]

wiilows boss just dies while i clear adds

[polar loom]

yeah i focus dps on boss and my duo add clears

[deep kayak]

the problem is actually hitting the boss

[polar loom]

herald of secret stars 💀

[vivid garnet]

solo

[deep kayak]

yeah....

i mean if white doesnt kb i can literally do it in 5 hits

[polar loom]

sadly i cant hit the 500 damage artillery anymore since the nerfs

[meager token]

https://ohthemisery.vercel.app/builder/m=EX Roar of the Valley-4&o=Silvari Coin-4&h=Steamgaze Monocle-4&c=Anti-Acid Apron-4&l=Shroud of the Disappeared-4&b=Blighted Path-4&charm=None

Idk, even with this (albeit fully infused) magenta is fine.

And this is the kind of build where people get mental breakdowns because OMG NOT BIS DAMAGE 70% PROJ DMG WTF

[vivid garnet]

https://youtu.be/JJtzkgf_2y4

idk why it wont process for higher definetion

[deep kayak]

..with shit ehp as well

[meager token]

It's meant to tank ranged attacks, specifically magic, not melee

[polar loom]

https://ohthemisery.vercel.app/builder/m=Blightblood Falchion-4&o=Serebrian Wristblade-4&h=Crown of the Lost Beyond-4&c=Darkstar Pauldron-4&l=Duskroot Legguards-4&b=Nature's Failure-4&charm=None
i use this in non joke runs

(uninfused)

[vivid garnet]

https://odetomisery.vercel.app/builder/m=Stormblessed Greatspear-4&o=Starbound Talon-4&h=Stonewrought Helmet-4&c=Garb of the Gallows-4&l=Razorleaf Breeches-4&b=Dichen Resolve-4&charm=Swi-_Arrow-4-S,Loc-arving-3-S,Sha-sman's-3-S,Fra-_Shaft-1-S,Fle-Laurel-1-S

build i used for most of boss

[deep kayak]

https://ohthemisery.vercel.app/builder/m=EX Roar of the Valley-4&o=Holy Vitriol-4&h=Deadair Purifier-4&c=Mycelian Mantra-4&l=Lamellic Delusion-4&b=Roots of Influence-4&charm=None

cloaked is terrible on jeremy

[meager token]

I'd lose my Regeneration and Aptitude from that

[vivid garnet]

its situanial

[vivid garnet]

for boss rush its nice cuz all mobs die in 2 Volleys

[meager token]

Especially the last phase where he is alone.

[vivid garnet]

which have 6s cd

[meager token]

Maybe with one another skeleton, but still within Cloaked threshold

[polar loom]

still has adds

or can have idk

ive seen awakened faceless ones in the arena

[slow drum]

i wonder if you ever just

[mental cloak]

Every boss rush phase is easy except light blue
like actually was this not tested on any class except scout

[vivid garnet]

last phase throws in faceless ones from outer arena

[slow drum]

hold a cloaked and a reflexes piece in your hotbar

and swap between em

[polar loom]

well it has range immunity so prolly not even scout

[meager token]

I might as well just swap between The Smiler Shield™️ and Temporal Rift

[polar loom]

i think

how good are res pots in the fight against wither

like can you chug the 10s res pots at the mist phase

to help getting to circle

[deep kayak]

i normal eat my 3 pots

[polar loom]

necronomicon is the greatest utility item in this fight

its only use ever

[deep kayak]

brood:

kaul:

[pale creek]

Damn 23 min

[polar loom]

kaul kinda irrelevant

[pale creek]

Should have tcleric

[deep kayak]

necronomicon is literally top brood item

[meager token]

For Kaul just carry a Cleric on a leash

[polar loom]

just get to the circle faster

[deep kayak]

no i usually tank all attacks when im aggroing

and black swan song in judgement

[polar loom]

alright fair. i dont play zenith this is my only zenith charm (ire at home fr)

that just kills you though right

[mental cloak]

I'm ngl necronomicon is irrelevant if you have the slightest idea of how the attacks work

[polar loom]

stray arrows

from some of the adds

[mental cloak]

the only bad wither is ground which you can just. Not

[pale creek]

Peak charm to void yourself on vesp

[polar loom]

real

[mental cloak]

Those are only regular wither

[polar loom]

yeah necronomicon works on that

[mental cloak]

yeah but why it's literally wither 1

[polar loom]

also i use it for jumping across the gray sections of the arena

[mental cloak]

Yeah that's the only time worth using

[polar loom]

the swords are kind of a non-issue in the fight imo

[meager token]

idk what mod is that but sure as hell I am not getting it ever

[polar loom]

theyre like easymode stalker

[polar loom]

floweymod dev version

[mental cloak]

Can we get an upgrade to the necronomicon called the necronominomicon that also gives immunity to wither/poison for 3s on use

[meager token]

added to my personal blacklist

[pale creek]

Nomnomicon

[meager token]

thanks

[pale creek]

Lol

[polar loom]

requires like 20 different items fr

embers if thoridal but 20 billion times worse

[mental cloak]

The necronomnomnom 🗣️ 🔥

[polar loom]

requires 128 magenta mats to make fr

[pale creek]

Eat the rich

[vivid garnet]

i was trying to beat it since release

[pale creek]

gg

[vivid garnet]

had to beat it with what i have

• tridentball sent from guild

[pale creek]

Its ok i took 17 min on arc

Hailstorm pelt trivium when single target:

[vivid garnet]

yeah at least ik all attacks to the bone now

[pale creek]

Yea that wasnt meant to slander you or anything

Sry if it came off that way

[vivid garnet]

ofc

[polar loom]

solo hardmode NOW

./j

[vivid garnet]

no

[vivid garnet]

i choked one run with 200 hp left on boss

[polar loom]

f

i havent failed final phase yet

but i havent played solo either so

[vivid garnet]

i failed final one time as hunter bc low dps, then as guard bc choke, then succes

[pale creek]

2x on 100 hp on scout

[polar loom]

Hexfall (Solo) achievement now fr

[pale creek]

Then on arc i tpd outside circle

With tstep

[vivid garnet]

So Ru'Ten solo was peak Fennec huh

[pale creek]

Mayhaps

[polar loom]

clearly this is what the tstep u charm is for fr

[pale creek]

I tped into emergency exit sign and even managed to click the button in panic lmao

Tstep u charm is held back by the fact that u dont ever pick tstep u

[vivid garnet]

thats wrong though

well atleast before ss u rework

[pale creek]

Eh

Manalance u

[mental cloak]

me when the entire value of an upgrade is +1 insight

[pale creek]

I dont think tstep u second tp gives insight stack

[mental cloak]

No one is using tstep for a safe getaway 😭

[mental cloak]

I could have sworn it did

[slow drum]

tstep u recast is for omens and ss (u)

[pale creek]

Its just an omen proc

Lmao

Well and ss now

[mental cloak]

ic

Point still moderately stands no one uses it for the versatility

[meager token]

The arena should have half slabs to torment tstep users

[pale creek]

Would use charm if it didnt go with budget to enhancement

[slow drum]

i used to

i actually might use it for utils now

[pale creek]

And was a bit better cd

[slow drum]

idk if i can make charm space for it

[pale creek]

Idk arca charm competition is tough

Ruler swift lunar guiding moonlight and cry havoc are kinda lock ins

[slow drum]

it would be squidiculous but i might drop ruler

and play close range and technique

[pale creek]

Blasphemy

[mental cloak]

When are we getting negative star cost charms with drawbacks instead of buffs

(never since you could just slot in something you don't use)

[slow drum]

swift lunar / guiding moonlight / cry havoc / sleepwalker's / apoc scroll

[pale creek]

You can take all of my tstep damage for 2 more charm power

[mental cloak]

but imagine if it affected all of your abilities

[slow drum]

it could work on some sort of core skill like brute force

[polar narwhal]

our boss code uses a set set of events that bossmanager passes in

[slow drum]

or divine justice

[mental cloak]

-25% VC cooldown restoration
Elites are now 75% recharge

[slow drum]

bossing charm..

[pale creek]

Shank vc for boss dps

Rogue finally can deal half of bers dps

[mental cloak]

anyways uh it could work if it also provided some other benefit. Maybe. It just would be net negative

[polar narwhal]

The boss is 90% plugin

[pale creek]

But omens...

And isnt conduit nova

[polar loom]

-3 charm power (-50% magic damage -50% melee damage)

[mental cloak]

welcome back generalist charms

[polar narwhal]

Uh

it extends nova

[pale creek]

O ok

[vivid garnet]

elementalist maybe

[pale creek]

Idk if elementalist exists outside earrows

Apti helm helps sure but damage suffers

[polar loom]

cant wait for twisted jeremy fedora achievement @polar narwhal

[polar narwhal]

er

kaul's one is buggy enough

[pale creek]

No hit jeremy

[deep kayak]

no its good just overshadowed by spellshock u rn

and mana lance > tstep u i think also so

[pale creek]

Yes

So you dont pick it

Cuz mlance and prism and ss

[deep kayak]

then why not make it a punch event

[polar narwhal]

jank

[deep kayak]

😭

if you ask me a .1 health mob thats range and spell immune is more jank

[pale creek]

Should have been 1000 hp !

[vivid garnet]

more dps checks

[pale creek]

Dps checks are peam

Especially ruten last phase one

[polar loom]

classless intruder

[deep kayak]

@polar narwhal what happens if you dont have a spec

[polar narwhal]

uh

it

selects one based on your class

randomly

otherwise random

[deep kayak]

let me guess its a switch statement with 26 cases

[polar narwhal]

no

Im not that bad of a coder

I have seen warcrimes in our codebase

It uses an immutable map

and the condition is

[deep kayak]

honestly i expected less

sorry

[polar narwhal]

mPlayers.forEach(player -> {
            int spec = AbilityUtils.getSpecNum(player);
            if (spec == 0) {
                spec = AbilityUtils.getClassNum(player) * 2 - FastUtils.randomIntInRange(0, 1);
            }
            mSpecs.add(spec);
        });
...
mReplicantNames.getOrDefault(spec, FastUtils.getRandomElement(mReplicantNames.values().stream().toList()))))

and 0 is unspecified

it's like partially cooked logic tbh

but uhh

:3

[deep kayak]

erm

[polar narwhal]

what

[deep kayak]

why is it mReplicantNames.values(). stream().toList())))))))))))))))))

[polar narwhal]

uh

i copied it from inside something

[deep kayak]

oh ok

[deep kayak]

does spec in last line mean the spec in first line

[polar narwhal]

yea

anyways

it's not my whole code

so I think you shouldnt look at it too hard

[deep kayak]

oh ok

anyways can you get flowey to work

[deep kayak]

the real question is why does classnum start from 1

[polar narwhal]

uh

im going

to meow at you

[deep kayak]

meow

[deep kayak]

most threatening jade response

[wanton dock]

what if you don't have a class at all

[pale creek]

Then you dont have to go to school that day

[polar narwhal]

random

[wanton dock]

sounds like gambling

[polar narwhal]

yep!

its justa failsafe

[polar loom]

it actually just summons a constellation construct (real)

(just the hat fr)

[meager token]

Nah, make it summon the Vesperydis

Since you are technically classless when you fight it in CZ, just borrowing some skills from somewhere.

[polar narwhal]

gonna summon another intruder

[polar loom]

summons an antumbral stalker and skips the phase

[deep fox]

just summon hycenea

[polar loom]

summons marching fates

[deep fox]

summons full sized broodmother in the arena

[rancid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[polar loom]

summon teto pear into the arena

[rancid bramble]

@vocal lotus

real

[pastel mural]

today the twisted hunter's fox hit me so many times so quickly that he broke my chestplate (the broken message occurred less then a second after the low durability message, it happened mid combo) He then proceed to spawn camp me and I had to leave the pink section. (EDIT this is in wrong thread ahhhh i'm sorry they are right next to one another, mod can delete if they want too)

I talked yesterday about twisted scouts being crazy in r1, but honestly they might just be too strong in general. It doesent always feel this way in r3, where you have overpowered builds that kill the bosses instantly, but when you are fighting them, for lack of a better term for real its so so bad

[supple turtle]

i would like to mention

this is not enhanced twisted thread

[pastel mural]

frick

[supple turtle]

this is jeremy thread

[pastel mural]

okay well uh twisted scout in the jermey boss fight is fine, but only because it has 1000 hit points and dies before it can do anything. Honesty the tormenteds phase can probably be buffed a little (but hopefully after a tormenteded scout nerf)

I will move over to enchanted twisted thread

[slow drum]

wait @polar narwhal are the jeremy tormenteds base (r2) torms or boosted by x1.7 (r3) torms

[polar narwhal]

slightly boosted r2

[pale creek]

Thorms

[supple turtle]

So is advancement 18 faceless now

[vivid garnet]

Faceless dozen and a half

[deep kayak]

triple headed faceless half dozen

[whole lava]

Why is faceless dozen 18 and not 12

oh wait

u guys have been talking about that

makes 0 sense

[mental cloak]

bug

or rather oversight in it not being changed before release

[whole lava]

But like why is it called Dozen

[mental cloak]

presumably because it was intended that you would get twelve

[grand rose]

faceless baker's baker's baker's baker's baker's baker's dozen

[pseudo tulip]

Ngl this is the coolest boss in the server 10/10

keep cooking

[ornate mica]

Is it dozens or dozen
If it’s dozen then maybe change it to Faceless dozens and change to like 24

[warm flint]

[warm flint]

except that also implies 36, 48, etc

[wanton dock]

120

or rather 144

faceless dozen of dozens

[tranquil oyster]

fuck it. 1,728

Faceless Dozen Dozen Dozen

[mental cloak]

Faceless entity cramming

[tranquil oyster]

exactly

[mental cloak]

eeyikes! however will we deal with a bunch of weak enemies that are constantly hitting us?

[tranquil oyster]

the ever-humble thorns build:

[coarse ginkgo]

i like the new visual update on the boss attack

nice update

[cloud garnet]

does 24 faceless ones even spawn during the fight

im pretty sure the first spawn at the start spawns 12 and then after cognitive it spawns 6

and i dont remember any other times they spawned

[ornate mica]

You might be right
I stall a lot and they seem to not spawn if you just stall

[summer tusk]

Chat …

[hoary trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332612198958366720/1375566016477663403/Base_Profile_2025.05.23_-_23.05.13.01.mp4?ex=6832cfef&is=68317e6f&hm=3dc33ac4421e194dff5eaa51a2381cb9457dd74d5beed8be1ec1461a4d6bfe65& even better, get yourself stuck inside the tree

[ebon dagger]

does it need a buff now

learn the attacks and then it's kinda easy

[polar narwhal]

Perhaps that's because you understand the mechanics more now?

[long pond]

Boss you understand is easy incredible

[rancid bramble]

i think its more to do with the bugfix to stomperguy and people learning what to use

the boss itself has very few mechanics

its mostly just attacks and adds

also i feel like 80% of death messages day 1 were to agitated tantrum

also the bugged add count got removed

[ornate mica]

Normal mode solo is just about the right difficulty I think
Like you still feel like you pull off something but you can do it semi consistently solo given the understanding and reflexes are there
It’s above average compared to other bosses but I like it that way

[rancid bramble]

wdym other bosses

all other bosses in the game are significantly harder to solo because theyre meant for a group of 4

id consider intruder solo like, around the same difficulty as godspore solo rn

which is good imo

[ornate mica]

Oh
I mean other bosses non solo
But it’s more just monu intended difficulty in general
Guess I didn’t really think everything through

[rancid bramble]

ah

i think its right where it needs to be

godspore difficulty +1

[pale creek]

i would say godspore is quite easier

[meager token]

Goofstorm ftw

[wanton dock]

godspore team to solo difficulty difference feels MUCH higher than that of twisted

[rancid bramble]

godspore solo is actually pretty difficult if you

play properly and do shrines instead of just

blitzing the boss with 70 infusions and scout

[pale creek]

idk maybe

but why would you play properly and do shrines when you can blitz the boss

not only on scout probably

[rancid bramble]

i mean

you can run a slightly tankier build get a few pomes and jeremy cant do too much to hurt you if you dodge

[pale creek]

yea but you dont even need to really dodge godspore

attacks are way less chaotic

[rancid bramble]

sure, do you need to dodge jeremy

i think half the playerbase just munches and slurps pots

[pale creek]

idk i try to usually

atleast on scout

100 ehp doesnt allow to just ignore stuff

[long pond]

PI was broken on a lot of shards week 1

So at least for early clears, i think most ppl didnt drink that many pots?

[polar loom]

not me going through 3 shulkers of pots (bis harb gameplay)

[tranquil oyster]

I do this without the "and slurps pots" part

but that's because I have 250 magic EHP before Toughness and Cloaked
in a fight with a single big enemy where a lot of the strongest attacks are magic attacks

overall, I think Jeremy is in a good spot difficulty-wise

[hot yacht]

if you have lifedrain and rampage you dont need to slurp pots to munch

[tranquil oyster]

and what do you know, I have both and the aforementioned stupidly high magic EHP

-# I still do find myself havin' to watch my health, though
-# my not-magic EHP is much less impressive, at around 130-140ish across the board

-# makes me appreciate that Fecund Berry Basket makes Heart of the Jungle an incredibly potent heal

[warm flint]

zzzz

unnecessary changes to Jeremy sounds like a waste of dev time

don't want to see this boss go full cal and become unrecognizable every patch

if he's not hard enough it would be cooler to have a savage mode

[hoary trellis]

but mom we have a savage mode at home:

[warm flint]

it's a cool mechanic but you could layer them

[willow plaza]

savage mode is just play without gear

[warm flint]

real

[hot yacht]

does glowing secretly take half of this items budget or why is it so badly statted

-10% cd would be different or 30-40% speed would be something but 15 speed is basically useless (everything has 20%) and 5% cd has many sources

[pale creek]

but it has glowing !

[meager token]

Wohoo

Sprint glitch for 40 minutes

[spark radish]

i think i would want to buff the speed before the cdr

[meager token]

Nah, remove speed and buff -cdr%

Or even give it something like -15% ability cooldowns and -25% speed (could be lower)

You're getting more and more sluggish as drowsiness overtakes you, but the panic of what you might dream of is making you rapid-fire spells.

Too bad this concept can't be used in a potion since the stronger debuff would likely overtake the weaker ones. But then there's also Cleansing Rain I guess.

Actually, can Cleansing Rain or Cleansing Totem clear debuffs from potions?

-Speed% and such. -Max HP% and the like probably wouldn't be cleansed, I presume.

[acoustic wigeon]

30% speed would probably make this pot have some use or idk 25% speed if ur feeling not generous

[slow drum]

#devtools message

[rancid bramble]

if you have any healing built into ur build you dont really need to slurp

you can also just use pomes

the only time youd really need a pi is when the water bugs out and hits y ou 7 times before spitting you out so ur reduced to like 0.2 hp

[deep kayak]

honestly i think most ppl are fine with this boss now

or maybe buff the healing boon

[slow drum]

the healing boon seems weak in comparison to the others yeah

[small zinc]

It’ll be nice if it’s regen2

[tranquil oyster]

Restoration is kinda bad compared to the other two in its set, yeah

which is to be expected for what it is when its competitors are "spam your abilities way better goin' into exalted rush" and "the next time you would die, don't die"

[warm flint]

its good for cleric and warlock in particular

[pale creek]

warlock meta

[polar narwhal]

It was initially 35% but it was overpowered for sustain builds so I nerfed it, Im guesding you would only pick it if you want stronger sustain in the last part

[deep fox]

i think reincarnation is just the better choice for the final part right now

[polar narwhal]

Though reincarn servers a similar purpose and is stronger

bwa

[deep fox]

[polar narwhal]

might rework it

hehe

[meager token]

nah, make it so the buff is truly shared

So the Intruder gets Reincarnation too and heals back to full HP after you defeat it.

[deep fox]

picking reincar will make you refight the boss

amazing

actually it wont even refight the boss

you have to do 25k damage in final dps check phase

✍️ 🔥

[meager token]

Defeating the boss "again" would give you an achievement and unlock a new item too (real)

[icy raven]

Picking reincarn while your team mate is dead should revive them instead of giving you a reincarn.
Then you can remove the 25% respawn bug since there is an alternative.

[deep fox]

i cant believe we're adding sharing stocks from smash bros to jeremy

[deep kayak]

its already removed

[deep kayak]

reincarn and 25% is more unique compares to just 25% healing

[icy raven]

?

where is this said

[deep kayak]

1 hour ago in my run

[icy raven]

hmm
i picked reincarn this week while i had a dead teammate and it did not revive them

[deep kayak]

yeah they just fixed the bug

[stark herald]

Okay but making the bug into a feature via a shared reincarnation would be banger though

[deep fox]

btw does reincar work like hf where you borrow it if you die again

[deep kayak]

no

[placid kelp]

a nonzero amount of sustain builds also just get more sustain from more ability uptime

[gaunt temple]

finally got my first comp of intruder! very cool boss :3

couple feedback notes:

• might just be a me thing but it felt like the beginning of the fight was kind of a drag, like you weren't doing much of anything interesting and it's kinda just rng whether you die in the beginning or make it pretty far. idk if just my skill issue
• is there a zone property for disabling mainhand durability damage, and if so, can it be enabled? my wrench broke twice during the ~2hr of attempts it took, and on the winning attempt the fight took long enough that i got the "about to break" warning during second screamroom and then it actually broke during last dreamscape (had to pull out blightblood mid-fight lol)
• there should be a way to view what the carvings do again later, i don't know what the last set of carvings do because they got pushed offscreen by other chat and hover text doesn't go into logs. maybe an npc that can tell you them again once you've gotten to first/last carvings at least once, although there's only 2 npcs in lobby and that doesn't really make sense to put on either of them
• third box phase takes forever, it feels like the longest part of the fight by far especially because all of the minis it spawns are so hard to hit because they bounce around or move too fast or tp
• minor visual bug with dreamscapes where some of the manifested ex bosses have bold names and some don't
• not sure whether it's a bug, but some places have the obfuscated text being "twisted ????????" instead of "twisted lxxxxxxx"
• if you die to the part where it spawns the twisteds for your specs, sometimes their attacks linger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ylRNmcbPtg)
• for the part where you have to stand in the particle circle, the circle should probably be a little more clear (maybe moving display entities not particles), idk what the leniency is but it felt like it was hard to see and you could only see it move every 0.5s, and i took a good amount of damage because of it

[icy raven]

Mainhand durability zone doesn’t exist afaik

[hot yacht]

you were maybe lagging on the last point cause i never had an issue with it, its more like every 0.2s unless its a /particles low thing

[void crown]

Feels like every 0.5s, but I also think that's enough + there's a sound cue when the direction changes, which tbf isn't extremely obvious, but once you know it you can't miss it

[mental cloak]

wind noise thing

[vivid garnet]

zones maybe not, but plots have mainhand dura disabled

[shy glacier]

Oh, bruh, I thought there was no solo advancement when I did the boss solo 💀
Uh, will I have to solo the boss again?

[mental cloak]

Maybe™

[willow plaza]

the recovery attempt would be for people who had the advancement but lost it

those are the maybe

[dusty kayak]

if you have some proof you did it when it was broken you can probably mod help

[mental cloak]

to reclaim your achievement, you must kill the twisted intruder in the gulag

[shy glacier]

Well, RIP, I do not...

[shy glacier]

Why, the Twisted Intruder may have the gulag. I won't fight against it for the gulag

[gaunt temple]

oh

huh

well good to know for next time ig

[gaunt temple]

oh yeah also if you get lb for dreamscape its kinda annoying

if you play melee

because the boss tends to float just out of melee range and i was only able to kill him because he floated against the wall somehow and i could just beat him up there

but other than that i think most everything was fine both duo and solo

thumbsupcat

[vivid garnet]

mc logs should have the message at entrance bot saying u are the only one entering and then later u get the win message. unless that doesn't count as proof

[shy glacier]

Honestly, I will probably just go about doing it again. The boss is not too bad for me

[acoustic wigeon]

https://youtu.be/LJyxbdHFQhI?t=29

@fossil acorn

[tranquil oyster]

hit him into a window and he gets dumpstered with ease

[mental cloak]

if you (employ cheese strats) it's fine, no changes needed

[gaunt temple]

yeah i managed to do that

but i was definitely scared i was about to lose to the stupid boss flying away lol

[deep kayak]

there needs to be a mat sink

[shy glacier]

Me when it flies away, causing me to lose...but then it instead spends my revive and causes the entire Amalgamated Dreamscape to break...then causing about 20 minutes of waiting on deliberation from some developers...then getting the death sentence (not salty, just really funny IMO)

[gaunt temple]

ngl i forgot i had my revive until i used it

i died to adds in dreamscape willows because i wasn't locked in

[shy glacier]

The entire time, its plans were not the simple idea of making you redo the boss. No, it is to make you sit there for additional time contemplating your luck in getting the boss. It was additionally funny since it was at like 10% HP when I lost on time, and my partner got to "watch" from the spectator area the entire time lol

[deep fox]

istfg the only thing i ever die to anymore is the ex lb boss

what are its attacks....

why do i just get hit randomly...

[gaunt temple]

sob

[shy glacier]

That boss honestly is just annoying because it flings you around, just like the EX Orange boss. At the least, some part of its tail will always be on the ground to hit

[stark herald]

Like what

[gaunt temple]

yeah during my attempts at first comp i died before dreamscape and then i just sat there as my teammate vanished and all i could see were the bossbars

"what the FUCK is she doing in there"

actually that's just the "died during marina boss" experience all you can see is xeno's hp

[shy glacier]

This is the funniest EX LB boss moment I've seen, however. It just air jumps into the heavens right at the last part of the clip lol

[gaunt temple]

potions are usually a good mat sink

and the pots are ok i think but they also cost a torm frag which makes them a little less likely to be bought

[pastel mural]

people will never buy the potions

the mats are too valuable to be drunk, the potions are pretty pointless

[shy glacier]

And, at the same time, there also exists other hour-long potions that are close in terms of power but much cheaper

[wanton dock]

they did not learn from hunts...

[deep kayak]

delve infusion...

[stark herald]

I mean ig depends on the infusiion

[deep kayak]

trivium when

[summer tusk]

Devoured :
Gain 0.1 hunger and 0.1 saturation on kill
0.5 saturation on elite kill (per level

[deep fox]

the hunger could easily be a bad thing

[deep kayak]

ok then just satu

sounds good actually

[acoustic wigeon]

Afflicted:
Deal .5*level gear dmg% per debuff on the enemy capped at 4 debuffs

we have sanguine u and choler at home

[mental cloak]

that's just straight up better in most boss scenarios ngl

[acoustic wigeon]

choler is bad against most bosses

depends on ur comp tho

and the boss

[mental cloak]

or if you play warlock. just at all

is it?

I think "have a boss that is debuffed with easy debuffs" is easy

[acoustic wigeon]

boss cant get slowed or stunned

and wither skeles which is very common cant get on fire but they can get inferno'd

but yes it would be pretty universally good

[polar narwhal]

hex eater delve infusion 😭

[summer tusk]

🙏

[tranquil oyster]

delve infusions are not a viable long-term sink for any materials, to be quite honest

not for delve mats nor for the catalysts for said infusions (Geodes/Blightdust)

bonus points if the infusion either

1. is complete and utter ass (Natant)
   or
   b) uses mats too costly to be sensible to utilize without heavy investment (Fervor)

the whole system operates on the same principle as masterworkin'

[supple turtle]

I just don't think it need mat sink

[tranquil oyster]

you store your materials in an item of choice
-# for masterworkin', it's HAR and whatever the fuck else dependin' on the location the item is from
-# for delve infusions, it's levels, catalysts, and delve mats
based on how much you store in that item, the item gets a buff
-# for masterworkin', it's direct stat buffs to the item itself and sometimes new enchants
-# for delve infusions, it's a new levelable enchant on the item which can stack up to 4 --- 5 if you invoke a Revelation onto it
importantly, the materials spent to masterwork or infuse the item are never removed from play
they are simply stored in it and can be "taken out" (refunded) at any time, almost akin to an unorthodox extension of your wallet

[supple turtle]

is not like gs where your mat is just for item and mw

[tranquil oyster]

the potions are, honestly, a brilliant mat sink, all things considered

repeatable purchase that actively removes materials from circulation rather than seein' them simply stored elsewhere
and provides a bottle of temporary buffs in exchange which can be popped wherever and whenever the wielder may need said buffs

[supple turtle]

but... but is not worth it!!!

I see their has 2 point that ppl claim is not worth it
1 is u can get those effect from other "cheaper" potion
2 is given current market price is better sell them to market

which... doesn't make sense to me

[summer tusk]

( at least some potion is kinda nice )

[supple turtle]

I does can get effect from other potion, obviously I can get haste + atks from other source, but that require me get those + probably use more consumable, in term of market price I can see why ppl think is not "worth" it, but at the same time potion here give good buff + long time for 1 mat, which save me more time.

[fossil acorn]

I mean infusions are practically a sink imo

Not fully ofc since possible to refund but I’m wiling to bet most people don’t just get rid of their infusions

[supple turtle]

I more consider sink a mat go poof/become other thing rather thing like infusion that can be refund

[fossil acorn]

Not perfect but not bad

[supple turtle]

but yeah

[fossil acorn]

Yeah it’s not a perfect sink but like

A hyperinflation is basically a sink

[supple turtle]

because player unlikely will remove hcs from it

[fossil acorn]

Yeah

How many real sinks are there anyways

Rn

[tranquil oyster]

Hyperinflation works well as a sink because the whole point of it is to stuff 32 stacks of HCS into it as a flex

[supple turtle]

misport has sinktron

[fossil acorn]

Other then hui sinking a HI there

[supple turtle]

which you lost your hcs just for a leaderboard

obviously is time make a twisted theme skill/gear cosmetic skin

or maybe some elite kill effect

[tranquil oyster]

I mean

there's at least one

[fossil acorn]

The epic skins are pretty good sinks

Cz candles are decent

The reg ones should have cost more

[tranquil oyster]

cosmetics in general work well as sinks

[fossil acorn]

I mean the problem is

[tranquil oyster]

especially the epic cosmetic packs with their abominable price tags

[fossil acorn]

Do you want to add monumenta essence shop

Is that a good idea

Probably not

[tranquil oyster]

we already have that it's called the cosmetic skill shop

[fossil acorn]

I mean like

+1% hp

I’m not saying it’s a good idea

[supple turtle]

totally not a good idea

[shy glacier]

Please, no...

[tranquil oyster]

that's just infusions

with the catch that infusions are refundable and let you choose what the buff does

[fossil acorn]

Im just saying that’s one of the few sinks I’ve seen ever rn

The thing is

Infusions being refundable barely matters

[tranquil oyster]

the essence shop just gives you a selection of whatever and if it doesn't give a buff that's useful to you sucks to suck

[fossil acorn]

At one point your going to want infusions

[stark herald]

It is infusion dependent

[fossil acorn]

And your never gonna take them off

[stark herald]

Unfortunately it means you must concoct an infusion decent enough to compete with existing ones

[fossil acorn]

Honestly also

The mats need a base trade

I think base trades just help for most content

[mental cloak]

If you wanna make a mat sink why not just make pigments buyable for psyche at a very low rate

[fossil acorn]

Curnetly also

[supple turtle]

another pdiamond trade ppl won't use

[mental cloak]

like 1:24

Or strands

To be basic

[tranquil oyster]

a new way to get strands/pigments as an additional mat sink would be cool

[fossil acorn]

Daily to non daily ratio for intruder is also higher then

Godspore and all other daily content for some reason

By 2x

[tranquil oyster]

common Godspore L iirc

[mental cloak]

how much is spore daily and non daily

I thought it was 8 and 2

[fossil acorn]

Isn’t it 2x

[tranquil oyster]

(please give Godspore some kind of mat sink)

Godspore arti chest gives 6 mats, unc gives 2 mats

[summer tusk]

6 and 2

Iirc

[polar narwhal]

There will be a pdia trade for 4 mats

[white coral]

so no sink at all

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-kiss-lunaistabby-kitty-cute-cat-gif-702362695713301435

wait actually how expesnvie even are the mats

[vivid garnet]

why must instanced bosses especially non daily give like no profit

[warm flint]

why must all pdia trades just be worse than running PoIs over and over*

[regal reef]

Personally, I’m a fan of the intruder potions.

The regeneration 2 for 10 minutes potion is great for solo/challenge bosses (previously the longest regeneration 2 potion was hado for 1:30 minutes).

The 40 minute fire immunity potion is by far the longest fire immunity (2nd being tied by 4 consumables at 3 minutes of fire immunity). Will be nice for endless content where lava/fire is a risk.

The only +100% fall resistance potion and it lasts for 40 minutes. This will also be useful for challenge/endless content.

The haste 1/+10% attack speed for 40 minutes will be nice for boss/strike/raid marathons without having to use r3 casino potions or constantly refueling on short duration potions that give the same effects.

The +20% healing/+10% max health for 40 minutes is a decent survivability potion. Though tbh I probably would only use this potion for Intruder marathons as berserker.

The +15% strength/poison immunity 2 for 40 minutes is also alright. A nice medium between 1 hour +10% strength and 10 minute +20% strength alternatives that would probably perform well in endless content.

The only potion from Intruder I will probably never use at its current state is the glowing/-5% cooldowns/+15% speed for 40 minutes. You can get the 2 hour -5% ability cooldown and +20% speed potions from Reynart.

I can see how these potions might not be as useful to most of the playerbase, but for someone like me who optimizes for eed runs or solo boss content they seem pretty cool

[hot yacht]

yeah the potions are really good besides the 15% speed one

although after infernal change the +100% fall resistance is probably somewhat useless (at least its a new effect niche afaik)

[regal reef]

Yeah it can be pretty niche nowadays. I remember one edd wr run ending from someone falling to their death but that was also with infernal amplifying fall damage

[pastel mural]

right now if I want to use consumables therse much cheaper ones I can use to win. There is currently no need to max out your buffs for a fight (thank goodness) so I dont really see myself using any of them even if they are okay in a vacuum (honestly only the regen one stands out to me, the rest can be replaced)

regardless if the potions are useful or not I still dont really see the point of having them in the first place since the boss already has plenty of loot and doesn't really need even more places to spend it; they could of just been potions put anywhere else.

Fall damage immunity potion would of been helpful before they nerfed infernal I guess

[deep kayak]

4 mats 💀

[supple turtle]

And to me potion would be reason I keep doing this unlike gs, which I stop doing after I feel I have enough mat for mw5.

You also mention those potion can be put anywhere else, but like where, where is place u won't go this content don't need that much loot.

[polar narwhal]

If I had it my way itd be 2 or 3

[pastel mural]

they could of been put in another piece of new content I meant.

[supple turtle]

I just feel u'll say same thing

[shy glacier]

The ironic part is that it means a single daily PORTAL run would give more than a daily Twisted Intruder run, assuming the PORTAL Fragment and the Twisted Intruder mats were converted to P. Diamonds...

[polar narwhal]

the current mat drop per daily is 4 no?

[wanton dock]

well yes

but portal also gives you mats

[deep fox]

you also get circuits

[shy glacier]

Referring to this

[polar narwhal]

uh

isnr that still 1 for both

[shy glacier]

But then PORTAL has all the other stuff

[deep fox]

yes but you only get jeremy mats from jeremy

i mean you could also get a remnant scroll frag i guess

but portal gives raw har and delve mats

[white coral]

you get the frags also dont you

[shy glacier]

The other stuff from PORTAL probably amounts to a P. Dia by itself

[deep fox]

what frags

[white coral]

to buy the items at the guy idk what they're called

[deep fox]

the... fractured pscyhes?

[white coral]

oh

is that actually it idek

never read the name

[deep fox]

thats...

the delve mat we are talking about

[white coral]

yeah the mat

ik

[deep fox]

that converts into pdiamonds...

[white coral]

😭

[shy glacier]

Yes, the Fractured Psyches will be spent to get P Dias

[polar narwhal]

-w-

[deep fox]

and we're comparing that to portal frags which can be converted ot pdiamonds

😭

[white coral]

mhm

[deep fox]

im going to meow at you

[wanton dock]

devious

[shy glacier]

I mean, PORTAL is a VERY hard strike. Am I right?

[deep fox]

uhm

not when you can put on 1 armor set and become invincible no

also it takes like half the time if that

[shy glacier]

(We don't talk about the <4 minute runs that typically happen)

[shy glacier]

You are ruining the illusion. There must be enough sarcasm to make the 4 mat -> 1 P Dia trade sound good

[deep fox]

ok well

technically you just play guard and also become invincible

but you have to think sometimes

[terse raven]

its in line with azacor and horseman

[pale creek]

technically you can play a tanky set and become invincible at any class

you also technically can not get hit and become invincible that way

so assassin and scout and alch

[wanton dock]

portal boss is quite funny

iota has some hella strong attacks but also makes it piss easy to skip them

the clear has very few chests and surprisingly no anti-lootrun

although at the end of the day i think the speedrunning nature of portal gives it some uniqueness

[vivid garnet]

strikes having anti lootrun would be disasterous

[wanton dock]

i mean yeah im not asking for it lol it'd be horrible

but seeing how they slapped it even in sskt, i could've sworn it'd be in portal as well

but no! well, for the better i suppose

[shy glacier]

The fast-paced dungeons becoming slower-paced would be uhhhhh

[vivid garnet]

this is an intruder post

[shy glacier]

Me when the skeleton snipes me with the beam mid-air, and vertical KB then finishes me off by sending me straight into the lava

[wanton dock]

i wanted to write feedback about some specific part of intruder but i forgot

:(

anyway, remove lucid rend

it's just stupid

[shy glacier]

Noooo. The new moderator must now actually...moderate!?

[vivid garnet]

add chests to lootrun in boss rush for extra loot👍

[shy glacier]

But on a serious note (and to perhaps sound engaged in the main topic), the mat-to-diamond rate needs to be closer to 2:1

[deep fox]

whats wrong with lucid rend

it does... like nothing

unless thats the problem

[wanton dock]

it's not that it's op

it's just

chip damage for the sake of chip damage

[shy glacier]

Remind me of what it is?

[wanton dock]

i do not see the purpose of it other than to piss players off

[deep fox]

the swords that follow you

[wanton dock]

yea its just

unkillable unavoidable chip damage that basically serves as a ehp check

[shy glacier]

Those are kind of nothing-burgers

[deep fox]

isnt the boss designed around death by a thousand cuts though

and thats like

the most literal representation we have

[shy glacier]

I would rather they focus on having the EX LB boss not floating to the heavens

[wanton dock]

but even without the swords it keeps that concept while everything still being technically avoidable

[deep fox]

ive like

never gotten hit by the swords once

[wanton dock]

depends on what you play

on melee you cannot avoid them ever

[shy glacier]

I get hit by them, but they don't really do anything

[deep fox]

oh i dont play melee

that explains it

[terse raven]

its just some anti heal i think

[shy glacier]

If anything, I like how the boss makes sure you have some EHP. It feels like a nice break from a BiS meta...except it still probably is

[wanton dock]

i mean i play bers in intruder so yeah they do nothing too, it's just that I had a friend playing reaper with rather low ehp (which in general is not preferred to this boss, but he insisted on taking the challenge) and quit over explicitly the swords

because you can't avoid them, kill them, deal with them in any other way

[deep fox]

idk i can only really think of two things in this boss that are bs for me

[wanton dock]

and i do think thats shit design

[deep fox]

and thats sinking nightmares and the ex lb boss

i hate the ex lb boss

[terse raven]

do they not have a telegraph before slashing

[wanton dock]

swords aren't exactly bs because the ehp check is rather easy to pass; but they're just poorly designed

maybe make them killable?

[acoustic wigeon]

theyre just really annoying

[shy glacier]

Welcome to literally what 95%+ of the people think!

[terse raven]

is it even ehp check

[deep fox]

well i dont hate it for it flying away

[acoustic wigeon]

with the anti heal and them constantly knocking you back and blocking your hits

[deep fox]

i hate it for having rangeimmune and undodgeable attacks

[wanton dock]

ehp check or ranged class with 20 billion speed check

[acoustic wigeon]

also the consistent dmg can deal a good amt if ur in box 2 and the elites are hitting you and youre low

@lyric scarab

[terse raven]

you dont need that much

[deep fox]

play scout check...

[deep kayak]

4:1 is just asking for the boss to be not played

[deep fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768044235206950956/1376756989652111431/mist.gif

[mental cloak]

it's so accurate including stepping outside the space once and taking 25% of your health instantly

[polar narwhal]

LOL

[summer tusk]

[polar loom]

i play ssage and i never get hit

and i refill potion injectors mid fight

[hoary trellis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1066756781319135264/1147481595931017266/367413930_2262289477294640_7133410966712318271_n.gif

[warm flint]

is Arcanist melee

[summer tusk]

Volley stack + deye
= 🔥 aoe + 🔥 burst

[summer tusk]

Mid-close range imo

[warm flint]

what if I'm playing technique (which requires you to be within melee range for the damage boost)

[summer tusk]

Depend on charm ( insert range stack )

[summer tusk]

Its technique

So ofc it’s melee

[long pond]

Any sort of content with a significant daily bonus is gonna eventually end up with relatively low profits

[shy glacier]

I'd say "significant" really needs to be defined here. I would say the strike fragments for PORTAL and MR are significant daily bonuses, and both strikes are relatively profitable (though MR is arguable)

[long pond]

Both MR and portal frag prices hit rock bottom

They are the lowest they can be, their value is propped up by the pdia trade

[shy glacier]

The issue is more so attached with non-world bosses

[long pond]

Sometimes, the frags drop below pdia price because ppl forget the trade exists and stonkco has to physically go swap the frags for pdias and move them to the pdia stonk

[shy glacier]

Which is what still makes the strikes gain a decent amount of profit on the first run of the day

[shy glacier]

It also does not excuse the fact that the strikes still make good money from mats and raw money

[long pond]

Sometimes even, the price drops so much it is still profitable to buy strike frags to exchange for pdia and then sell, even with stonk taxes, for non shop managers

Those two strikes are being propped up by being early r3 content basically

[shy glacier]

At the least, you can grind PORTAL constantly and still make some decent amount of money. With the Twisted Intruder...nope

[wanton dock]

fun fact

the only drop in twisted intruder that makes money is condensed xp

mats only pay for the key and even then just barely

[long pond]

Twisted also has no delve infusion or equipment epic too

[shy glacier]

Yeah...

[long pond]

hunts has a questionable epic and infusion but also no key cost and low barrier to entry

[summer tusk]

Peak infusion 🔥 🗣️

[devout star]

Does the blindness bug out and not disappear for anyone else

[deep fox]

what damage type does the haunted do

[long pond]

would assume true dmg, but idk for sure

[hoary trellis]

I mean the shield is pretty good

[wanton dock]

Pretty good for... how many playstyles? And how many of them are real

It's a solid shield but for a nonexistent niche I feel like

[slow drum]

it’s a shield which fixes the problems of paladin but only if you use the specific set for it

and it’s so hyper specced into paladin that it’s difficult to use in any other context

[wanton dock]

Yeah paladin does seem like its only use from what I've seen

[long pond]

i can't think of any classes that can even make use of chimera effectively besides paladin and maybe theoretically warlock

[tranquil oyster]

Sturdy is awesome smh

[long pond]

that doesn't make it stop being questionable

it still has to contend with the fact that it only works with shields

[stark herald]

Its shield specific which only some classes can reliably use a shield as an offhand

Idk if it works mainhand

[hot yacht]

cause every other infusion can be reliably used by every class

i think its more interesting in concept than something like soothing/understanding/epoch which are just unconditional stats
wands have godcap
proj has defiled carving

[icy raven]

This implies also it can’t be used on mainhand shields in any way

[meager token]

So putting it on Iridium Bulwark or Spatial Rift is meaningless?

Or Gearshield?

[gaunt temple]

i'm pretty sure it works in mainhand doesn't it

[meager token]

Yeah, I thought it should work too.

[icy raven]

Yes thats what I’m saying.
Saying it can’t be used on all classes implies it can’t be used in mainhand which is false.

[polar loom]

it does

[tranquil oyster]

shields are a very versatile item that can be used by just about any build at little cost aside from hotbar/offhand space dependin' on build

[long pond]

Shields being versatile is not the same thing as the delve infusion being versatile

[wanton dock]

hi hello it's time for feedback on general debuffs across the fight

Failing to dodge malevolent conduit gives you -30% healing for 30s and failing to escape cognitive distortion gives you a minute of other debuffs. What do they do, exactly? Make the fight harder? No. They just stall. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from waiting them out and with how harsh they are it's much better to wait them out than try to play with them.

**I think an attack should not punish you with an arbitrary time extension to the fight. **

I believe it'd be much better if the debuffs were drastically nerfed but lasted the entire fight instead. For example, -5% damage per malevolent conduit failed or -10% healing per cognitive distortion (as there are only 2) failed for the rest of the fight. This way the punishment for failing these attacks would shift from "you have to run around for a minute" to actually making your fight harder from then on.

[hoary trellis]

I think conduit is fine as is since its main thing is eating your buffs

[pale creek]

conduit is whatever

[polar narwhal]

What if instead you got ur own panic zealot to follow you for 60s instead :3

[pale creek]

cucumber realm esp solo is a pain in the ass

and then you just around crippled for 1 min

[void crown]

If you fail distortion you are chained to your partner by an 8 block line for 30 seconds

[wanton dock]

Then its debuff should be removed altogether

It still stalls and that's the problem

[void crown]

Honestly I was thinking a duo boss where you're chained the entire time (intentionally with mechanics around tying the chain around poles or something) would be fire

[hoary trellis]

savage mode for intruder

[void crown]

Forced teamwork is cool I think

[hoary trellis]

hexfall...

[pale creek]

i love when ruten focuses all of its anima on me

[wanton dock]

Well the teamwork in hexfall is good

Just that... the rest isn't

[void crown]

Too much teamwork

[hoary trellis]

I think the teamwork aspect of cognitive is pretty good

needing to stand next to your mate

[void crown]

Yeah it's really only an issue solo tbh

You can't move out of a thing so stuff just piles on you

[hoary trellis]

its manageable

[hoary trellis]

bers bias

[pale creek]

depends on ehp

regardless it is a forced ehp check

you just stand there and if you can live some hits you win

if not well

one minute of running around

[hoary trellis]

cognitive distortion definetly should provide permanent debuffs for failing

[pale creek]

only if it is actually made doable in solo

or debuff is like 10% healing

[hoary trellis]

-10% healing would add up very fast if you got any other debuffs

[pale creek]

thats like

okay i think

[hoary trellis]

I think failing screamroom should also provide permanent debuffs

[pale creek]

failing screamroom honestly should just kill you

like how

[hoary trellis]

[pale creek]

650 hp 15s or so

[hoary trellis]

you can't bring a healbot to the run if screamroom killed you

[pale creek]

absolutely can

you just break two screamrooms

and healbot solo is lol lmao

[hoary trellis]

melee classes have harder time killing the other players screamroom 😭

[pale creek]

idk weedus did it in like half the timer

or less

also teamwork

[hoary trellis]

[pale creek]

just be close

also all relevant melee classes have movement abils

[hoary trellis]

idk what it is but I constantly take dmg if I enter another players screamroom

[pale creek]

You dont enter

You whack outside

[hoary trellis]

yeah let me just install reach hacks first 😭

[void crown]

I use whirling blade to poke it at the edge lmao

[pale creek]

?

Outside should take damage

[hoary trellis]

how do you have enough reach

[void crown]

Oh I thought you had to hit the inside thing specifically hence if you have no aoe it's tricky

[wanton dock]

Would it tho? There are only 2 cognitives ever

[hoary trellis]

I'm pretty sure its out of reach

[pale creek]

The big slime doesnt take damage?

[wanton dock]

It is not

[void crown]

I thought the big slime is just the room, but the small slime is the health pool

[pale creek]

Yea but arent they linked

[void crown]

I don't know, I assumed not

[pale creek]

I also dont know but i see split going to outside and i get more damage than if there was just one target

Regardless like all melee players i played with were able to break it

Doubt they all have reach hacks

[hoary trellis]

the more you know I guess

I just assumed the small slime inside is the hurtbox

[meager token]

Love how solo Cognitive is just "How fast can you reach mid before the mobs close in, knock you out of the circle, and force a minute of debuffs onto you?"

[polar narwhal]

they are

but my code is kinda scuffed

it might not be right

idk

[pale creek]

Idk i think it works so far

[tranquil oyster]

you'd have to rework the advancement if that were the case

[tranquil oyster]

the permanent debuff you get from fuckin' up Conduit is your chosen carving buff(s) bein' stolen and stacked onto Jeremy

[icy raven]

That’s once a hallucination

But conduit is cast several times per hallucination

[mental cloak]

• Screamroom

• Skull emoji

• light slap on the wrist

• Sinking Nightmares

• No Skull Emoji

• Will kill you in 1-2 hits

[tranquil oyster]

yeah because Sinking Nightmares has no instakill mech

[mental cloak]

neither does scream

[long pond]

Scream doesnt either

[tranquil oyster]

go ahead, walk out of the room

[stark herald]

Instant kill symbol
Looks inside
Still alive but missing an arm

[long pond]

Walk out of room is 75% max hp true dmg

[tranquil oyster]

.

why is it only 75% :(

[long pond]

To warn u to go back in presumably

[tranquil oyster]

that's, like. the worst of both worlds
too heavy to be a good warning unless you're topped off already
too light to be an instakill mech so the skull shouldn't be there

[long pond]

It does 75% max hp per second i think

[mental cloak]

I think skull emoji should denote deadly attacks not just oneshots

[stark herald]

I personally think it should be one shot

[mental cloak]

in particular ones that are not spammed

[stark herald]

Previous abilities set that precedent already

[polar loom]

arent most skull attacks used for dps checks

[mental cloak]

make it also do 30% max hp dot

[polar loom]

where you die when it hits 0

[long pond]

To be fair some of the twisted one shots were survivable under certain conditions

[polar loom]

like ig screamroom doesnt but it incentivises killing it first

[stark herald]

Mfw theres multiple types of one shots

[long pond]

Isnt it still possible to block galactic collider

[mental cloak]

in this fight it is Screamroom, boss rush, and carvings iirc

[stark herald]

No, u can annilys though

[polar loom]

yeah carvings and boss rush instakill at end of dura

the skull emoji attacks tend to bypass annilys

[long pond]

One of the oneshots was still blockable idr which

[meager token]

Fr, someone said it instakills if you stand in the middle of the circle, but I only took 1/4th of my HP

[tranquil oyster]

see, I agree with you, but the precedent set thus far is that 💀 is used for attacks with an instakill mech
(second Midnight Toll, Nightmarish Carvings if you don't pick one, Amalgamating Dreamscape if killin' the exalted boss of the day takes too long, a LOT of shit in Hexfall)

[mental cloak]

Two is too few to draw conclusions

[polar loom]

depends on ehp

[long pond]

Which one is sinking nightmares again

[polar loom]

i suppose at that point you should know to kill enemies that have a skull emoji cast bar but

[meager token]

Volcanic Demise Lite

[tranquil oyster]

Legally Distinct Volcanic Demise cast at 10k

[polar loom]

legally distinct volcanic demise

[polar narwhal]

-w-

[polar loom]

sorry jade youvebeen copyrighted by koal

[tranquil oyster]

also the surge of activity in this thread has reminded me that I need to work more on the Jeremy wiki page

[polar loom]

soul of the jingle

[tranquil oyster]

I think the attacks are just about done aside from exalted rush, final phase, and swords
and then I need to start detailin' the rewards and figure out a navbox (will probably need to bug Sukie on that)

[mental cloak]

if you think about it it's using four major attacks from four world bosses
Kaul's volcanic demise
Eldrask's big wave area denial thing uh
Hekawt's magma cube
Sirius's spawning way too many mobs

[tranquil oyster]

still better than a 15th Shatter rehash

[polar loom]

hes got the phylactery that stops boss from dying 3 times fr

[tranquil oyster]

I am so tired of Shatter
it's such a borin' attack and it gets used everywhere

[polar loom]

gyrhaeddant now leaves the shatter area in the arena for the rest of the fight like jeremy

[mental cloak]

You will move three blocks in a circle and you will like it

If there were more variations on shatter it would be cool

[tranquil oyster]

the problem is that there, like

aren't

[mental cloak]

right now it's all wait 2.5s, attack, de-attack

[tranquil oyster]

it's just the exact same attack

in like 15 different places

[slow drum]

shatter attack which also shatters its DR

[polar loom]

thomas you should add necronomicon to tips and tricks