SKR Feedback Thread

[silver lake]

i placed that that way cause they're supposed to betransparent

[rigid oyster]

this renders leaves opaque for optimization

[silver lake]

ok i'm moving it

i thought i was slick but that's not good

[rigid oyster]

the idea was cool yeah, unfortunately the reality that we're all too poor to run minecraft on fancier graphics gets in the way

[sweet wigeon]

i couldnt find that even with transparent leaves

[wispy swan]

p2w skr

unreal!!

[finite tulip]

Skr good 👍

[weak gulch]

My feedback is :
-The builds are amazing. Especially enjoy the long combat room's design.
-The rates feel a lot better since they were increased.
-Undelved mobs feel very underwhelming to fight .

I think I have done like 5-6 of the puzzles and those were quite fun as well.

[soft mist]

Agreed, i also wish there was a long term sink of the materials, such as skins or anything, as while there is a set of items and charms for each class, since it's a content that drops from anything in r3 and due to that it will be farmed endlessly, it means that the materials will end up being very low value in the long run, because after you spent 32 of them for the charm box, and some of them for 1/2 items, there's nothing you would want and so you either roll the boxes or sell them in the market

[worn sun]

twisted strands trade 🙏

[weak gulch]

Isn't the sink the caches that give random loot across the region ?

[dense pendant]

the caches printing raw har and frags should serve as good silver memory frag sinks

[soft mist]

To a degree, but to my experience i have all of those materials from other regions so they are not really necessary to me, and you did not get that many, but the last i opened was when they were 6 cost, so maybe it's different now

[dense pendant]

also considering the existence of TCL as a guild prices should remain reasonable for a long time until they get their double chests of all 16 SKR items

that’s 20,736 Silver Memory Fragments from NPC, after all - around 2-3k scrolls

[silver lake]

having another sink could be a good thing, but there's not many ideas circulating. cosmetics take pretty long to be created usually so it isn't too much of a good sink in term of dev time / mats deleted

as for the "undelved mobs feel very underwhelming to fight" we'd like to add difficulty modifiers, but it's not a big priority since there are no ideas and we don't want to use delve mods because that'd be slop

[soft mist]

You could also just make the mobs stronger, afterall it's not an earlygame mechanic

[weak gulch]

Maybe a built in legionary as well.

[silver lake]

@feral cliff has been trying to make them stronger

[soft mist]

I did a long room with coven stuff and it was really fun it had like werewolves that spawned quickly, i felt like it was a good challenge and well designed

But a lot of the other rooms did not feel the same

Expecially the small ones

I had a swamp small one that was probably easier than any poi in r3, the difficulty varies too much in them

[silver lake]

r3 balance moment

numbers on paper seemed fine

[weak gulch]

I dont understand the argument of delve mobs being slop. For me iot just feels wrong for the elite to not spawn a dread , to get 1 mob from a spawner ect.

[silver lake]

mods as a whole

i like dread too

it's just kind of unfitting for content like this and should be reserved to dungeons and overworld while we have unique gameplay experiences for every special content

kinda like parts of cz ascensions, although those do use delve mods

[weak gulch]

well delve points are the simplest difficulty increase , rather than just hp and dmg increases.

[white merlin]

imo delve mods are kind of slop for new stuff like this because seeing the same mobs/abilities wherever you go
like i see the same 4 spectrals colossi or dreads in pois, dungeons, zenith, strikes - its just refreshing to not have them somewhere

they work well for what they are but its healthy to not have them present in every content

[weak gulch]

I see that poinnt but I'd rather have that than what we currently have . Mobs that feel like they are Nskt Difficulty and you get very few of them as well .

[white merlin]

i feel like rather than emphasizing or working with the mob design of content, a lot of delve mods "overwrite" the experience by adding more abilities or mobs until the point where you will never see a mob for the danger it brings but only what delve mods might be applied to it

[grizzled sun]

i agree combat is not that fun due to low diffculty mob, but about the way to increase diffculty, i would like it being something that's not delve as i already see it at other place, i would like some unique experience

[white merlin]

which is fair, really, you cant do that for every mob, that would be insanity - but its good to not have it in some places

[weak gulch]

maybe decrease the spawners but make them spawn like groups of mobs at a time.

so you get more spaced out but larger fights .

[white merlin]

legionary

[weak gulch]

More like multiple types of mobs spawning from a single spawner , so they interact with eachother . Not 10 of the same mob.

[dense pendant]

example: white’s 3 health skeletons stop being enemies in their own right and start being “spectral/arcanic/vengeful fuel” once you delve

[white merlin]

random spawners my 🐐

yeah i agree

[weak gulch]

not random but set . just more from less spawners

[white merlin]

i mean the random spawners usually do give an assorted mix of mobs that why i brought them up

[weak gulch]

yeah they are similar , and i like them until you get 50 elites in cz

[white merlin]

fair

[weak gulch]

But my thought was you go trigger 1 spawner , get in a combat with 10+ mobs (not of the same type) and 15 blocks later you get another spawner . I just find fighting larger amounts of mobs more fun rather than you spawn 1 mob , boink it ,repeat.

[snow wharf]

trial spawner style?

[ornate light]

I love trial spawner gameplay loop so much more than normal spawner + chest
not even joking mojang cooked
(trial chambers are eh though)

[snow wharf]

Mojang has less freedom to make "good" gameplay due to having to randomize the structure

[weak gulch]

yeah that would be cool

[feral cliff]

If I do general mob buffs I’m alienating the folks who feel like the combat is fine right now, but then again if its too easy for others currently thats not much better

ideally there’s opt-in scaling adjacent to delves, but ideas on execution as well as rewards are lacking

[orchid briar]

amped skrs🔥

[rigid oyster]

Could borrow a page from fishing

• selectable difficulty from a device next to recordkeeper, whether or not it costs anything to unlock will have to be up to u to decide

• higher difficulty = roll a higher % chance to drop an extra memory frag at the end or something

[orchid briar]

also good sug

[rigid oyster]

• long combat has x1.5 roll chance, proportional to the 12 scroll frag cost relative to short’s 8

As for rares, maybe add a trade to swap rares for 8 memory frags? To set a minimum base floor

Also i would like u to know that it bothers me caches are 9 but rares are 16 instead of 18

Its not technically a problem, i just dont like that they dont divide evenly 🙃

[vapid bane]

I think the main barrier is how to create the higher difficulty in a good way

[wary ivy]

Yeah, just adding bosses like fishing does isn't a good method imo. But I do think the opt-in level system is a good idea

[primal stratus]

The problem with fishing is that the bosses are not actually bosses

[feral cliff]

I'm adding a "disposal" trade for them next update, something like 3 mem frags

[feral cliff]

there was a time when they were just elites I think

and then a bossbar got added

[primal stratus]

They are tanky mobs with maybe one cool attack

Yeah, if fishing combats had cool mechs it would be really fun

Fishing imo is really promising, the higher levels can do a lot more than what they do right now and actually be pretty enjoyable

Spamming fodder and a few 1 ability elites is super boring but higher levels have the option of adding some really cool bosses that actually require some sort of thinking to approach them properly

[rigid oyster]

My first idea was u could select delve mods and the bonus frag roll chance would be equal to delve points times a multiplier

But that seems lame at this point, i dont think we need more delve content

So i left it intentionally vague hoping someone had a better idea

[primal stratus]

Another issue is that you don't get kicked out of content

So like, the risk/reward isn't even there. You can brute force the harder difficulties for max rewards without it meaning much to be on them.

[rigid oyster]

Can make it so each difficulty has different effects

[primal stratus]

Fishing kicks you out, which is why that works

[rigid oyster]

Difficulty 1. You get x lives per skr, minor difficulty buffs
2. 1 live per skr, more significant buffs
3. Major buffs

That being said, there’s also the issue of keys being tradeable and not a daily thing like fishing so it probably would need some kind of limiter if u want to do it this way otherwise scrolls would be balanced around the higher rates

And this doesn’t work at all for puzzles, which would make combat/long scrolls worth more

[primal stratus]

You can make harder puzzles tbf

[rigid oyster]

Modifying a puzzle to have selectable difficulties is a huge ask imo

[feral cliff]

puzzles are kind of impossible to scale without tedious mech work

[primal stratus]

Designing them will take longer of course, but I have a few in mind that could be cool and are difficult

You don't scale current puzzles

You add new harder varients

(which tbf is a lot of work)

[rigid oyster]

That doesn’t help with variety

[silver lake]

im all ears

[wary ivy]

Harder puzzles either means copy pasting them so you have to do multiple instead of 1 per scroll, or essentially creating a second puzzle (that's just the same type but bigger often)

[rigid oyster]

If u only get the harder puzzles if u select a higher difficulty you make the content more tedious in the long run, because that means the shorter/easier ones don’t appear in the pool

[rigid oyster]

Generating two puzzles in a row for shorter rooms could maybe work yeah

[primal stratus]

This one is very scalable

[cursive sphinx]

What am I looking at

[primal stratus]

https://www.ossblog.org/pattern-fill-pattern-grid-puzzle-game/

[snow wharf]

It’s a type of puzzle

[cursive sphinx]

Just gonna jot that one down, thanks

[silver lake]

i remember trying that

[wary ivy]

Nonograms they're called

[silver lake]

it was pretty fun

[wary ivy]

Love them

[primal stratus]

I have tons

I play a lot of puzzle games like the ones in skrs

ill see what other ones could be good

[wary ivy]

When are we adding variant minesweepers

[cursive sphinx]

That'll definitely be one of interest to make in the future

(Nonogram, not variant minesweeper)

[snow wharf]

You can pick specific pictures to create and they are much more fun that way

But randomly generated ones work fine too

[cursive sphinx]

The problem with variable minesweeper is that making the puzzle bigger doesn't make it any harder

It just takes longer

[wary ivy]

The size doesn't have to change

[cursive sphinx]

You just want more mines?

[wary ivy]

Variants like "there must be at least 1 mine in any 2x2 of cells" or "there cannot be 3 mines in a row orthogonally or diagonally"

[cursive sphinx]

Lol, okay yeah that's not happening with the current system at least

Checking a huge swath of blocks like that is a nightmare for mechs

[dense pendant]

3d minesweeper to unlock the legendary 26 tile

[wary ivy]

Yeah I have no idea how you'd randomise something like that, but it'd serve for harder minesweepers rather than making it tedious with larger grid/more density

A maybe simple variant is "the number of mines in each row and column are the same"

Or "cells with numbers are either 1 higher or 1 lower than the actual mine count they see" (Liars)

[snow wharf]

Pulling from the 14mv list?

[wary ivy]

Preposterous

[snow wharf]

Liars is relatively simple to make

[wary ivy]

Yeah, just make a normal grid then change every number cell by +-1

[snow wharf]

The problem is that 14mv designs its clues to be solvable

[wary ivy]

Yup

[snow wharf]

So if you randomly assign them you end up in more impossible situations than you think

[wary ivy]

I have no clue how they do it, but it obviously helps there's a limited number of puzzles. They say their puzzles are "procedurally generated", not set by hand so there's some system they use

[primal stratus]

https://www.janko.at/Raetsel/Pfeilpfad/index.htm

Here’s another puzzle

Expandable and more difficult as it gets bigger

https://www.janko.at/Raetsel/Tohu-Wa-Vohu/index.htm

Another one

https://www.puzzle-light-up.com

Here’s another

https://www.nikoli.co.jp/en/puzzles/

A good collection of them can be found by nikoli

https://www.puzzle-galaxies.com

Fun one, that one is tough

https://www.unlimited-tiles.com/en/same

This one can be edited to require the minimum number of moves to clear

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_Out_(game)

There’s plenty out there that are really quite good. But those are a few that fit the criteria

I’d stay away from same game, as it’s pretty indigestible for color-blind people but the rest are good for everyone else

[slate cloak]

that's it, you must design a conway organism that can survives x rounds

[primal stratus]

The repeaters in question:

[wary ivy]

There could be a chess puzzle, find the mate in x

[primal stratus]

You’d have to hard code these ngl

Generating random difficult mate-in-x in chess is pretty hard

[wary ivy]

Yeah that's the thing with half the puzzles, they suck being randomly generated

[primal stratus]

Just steal the generation code used on websites

[white merlin]

no way janko.at i havent been on that site since elementary school we used to always do puzzles on there :D

this is actually so cool i forgot that websites name

[white merlin]

cool thing about lights out - on a (2^n -1)x(2^n -1) board its always solvable so generation can be completely random

monu already has a ton of lights out-adjacent puzzles but in case anyone is curious: https://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/lights.htm has a few really cool variations

[feral cliff]

lights out was specifically avoided for skrs

[weak gulch]

random 4k rated chess puzzles when

[cedar haven]

Consumables like a desirable arrow or potion would be a potential easy sink surely like the suggestion for sand dollars buying urchin arrows

They’d have to be good though because the baseline for mats are already set by the caches

[remote nebula]

dude SKR arrows better tear holes into the fucking Veil with how expensive they'd be

kalsus

[cedar haven]

It can just be like a really good or just a long duration pot that ppl would use

And the mats will fall eventually anyways until it reaches the caches

Like, without another sink

[feral cliff]

I'd like to add another sink

I'm brainstorming some ideas atm

arrows were previously discussed but turned down

same with delve infusion

[feral cliff]

does he have any ideas

[cedar haven]

For like desirable potions?

[feral cliff]

yeah

that ideally dont infringe on already existing pots

and / also is there a world where you tie in boons in some capacity

[cedar haven]

I’d have to think a bit… immediately for sinks I think of ppl using pots for like repeatedly doing bosses, in which case haste 2 is pretty absent except Halloween pots and soul singer.

But that’s trying to make it more sink worthy than actually balanced towards other pots

[feral cliff]

I'd probably get executed for a haste 2 pot but maybe

[primal stratus]

Is adding something to items out of the question

Similar to infusions, hexed, or another thing entirely

[remote nebula]

ANOTHER LINE TO MY ITEM

🗣️

[primal stratus]

^

[feral cliff]

I was told we cannot have a delve infusion because "they aren't delved"

[primal stratus]

Lore

[feral cliff]

(which isnt consistent but like wtv)

[cedar haven]

Yeah I think something unique like that would be more ideal over like consumables💔

[primal stratus]

Uhh… hexfall

[cedar haven]

Doesn’t even have to be an add on to items

[feral cliff]

and skt. and strikes.

[primal stratus]

Uhh…. Skt

[feral cliff]

yep.

[primal stratus]

Uhh all ring content

[cedar haven]

Godspore mat situation

[feral cliff]

yep

[primal stratus]

[feral cliff]

yep....

okay two things

[primal stratus]

Does godspore have no delve infusion?

[cedar haven]

They should actually add a Godspore sink

[primal stratus]

[cedar haven]

Yeah it doesn’t

[primal stratus]

They need to add infusions to godspore

[feral cliff]

1. skins are a maybe but the RP team has a backlog of hopeskins that I think are taking precedence

[primal stratus]

And that one is easy

Less poison damage 🔥

[feral cliff]

2. I am currently drafting a "hard mode" that in theory would serve as a mem frag sink to access

[cedar haven]

Lmao I was typing that

[feral cliff]

but I'd like something else as well incase it falls through, but also would be good to have

[primal stratus]

Less poison, fire, and wither damage is a good infusion

[feral cliff]

if I suggest this I'll probably just be told "its not a delve"

[primal stratus]

Ok but hexfall and SKT

[cedar haven]

Godspore potion when 💔 💔

[feral cliff]

i said this

the answer was no

[primal stratus]

These guys stinky stink!!!

[feral cliff]

so idfk

[remote nebula]

balance devs when there is a clear contradiction and just say no

[primal stratus]

Man tell them off and add it yourself

[feral cliff]

im not on the loot design team

[primal stratus]

[feral cliff]

I am literally not on the loot team bro I got no power here

[remote nebula]

do it anyway

[primal stratus]

Charging could save the game

[feral cliff]

+1 to my endless todo list

[slender mortar]

Expand your dominion... charging bucks becomes #1 currency...

[feral cliff]

I would like to get on loot design but its kind of amorphous

anywho we are offtopicing

not like fishing earlier was on topic but I digress

[primal stratus]

I want a infusion

[feral cliff]

I think an skr related infusion could be justified with its attached hard mode

which I am currently drafting

[primal stratus]

Did you see my puzzle recommendations

[feral cliff]

I saw some yes

[primal stratus]

Gotta add those to hard mode puzzle scrolls

[feral cliff]

crondis / az are the puzzle guys

oh hi crondis

[primal stratus]

How are they done? With command blocks?

[cursive sphinx]

I've got all the links saved

[primal stratus]

👍

[feral cliff]

and mcfunctions

aka "mechanics" / "mechs"

[cursive sphinx]

(Mostly functions)

[primal stratus]

I gotta learn mc dev stuff

[rigid oyster]

oh are we doing skr reward ideas?

[primal stratus]

Adding these things seems cool

[feral cliff]

thinking on

mem frag sink

in addition to a sink for hard mode requiring mem frags

altho that is kind of self fufilling

[primal stratus]

I would not do that

[rigid oyster]

how about a cosmetic infusion ala festive?

[primal stratus]

Or it will turn into fishing

[harsh hill]

skr fishing room

@feral cliff when r u reworking fishing

[feral cliff]

issue there is just that the RP team apparently have a lot of hope skins to do and this'd be an extra burden.

[harsh hill]

"ping me anytime!" failure

[rigid oyster]

?

[feral cliff]

oh

[rigid oyster]

the RP team is in charge of particles too?

[feral cliff]

oh im stupid

I thought you meant

hexed

[rigid oyster]

ah no

[worthy pivot]

HEALING DEALT!!!!
HEALING DEALT!!!!
HEALING DEALT!!!!

[rigid oyster]

i saw the earlier complaint about the RP backlog

[primal stratus]

And I think a large reason why content succeeds is because it applies its rewards to other systems in the game

The biggest thing being infusions

[white merlin]

more particles on my mainhand 🗣️
(actually good suggestion i want more lore lines)

[primal stratus]

Fishing is bad mostly because it feeds itself

And that’s it

[rigid oyster]

something like the ability to apply Divine to other items maybe

[primal stratus]

Fishing needs an infusion as well

[feral cliff]

yeah fishing is closed loop

[worthy pivot]

fishing...

[slender mortar]

Imagine if u paid mem fragments to access a skr fishing spot with permanent quality buff

[primal stratus]

Closed loop systems are bad, infusions are the best way to open that up

[slender mortar]

🦘

[worthy pivot]

Can we make existing fishing things better before we start adding new stuff

Like most of the fishing pots being really bad

[feral cliff]

theoretically it would be something like
mem frags + scroll frags = "hard mode"
"hard mode" = delve material + other goodies.
delve material = arrows, infusion, etc.

but I have not put thought into this so please poke holes in it

[worthy pivot]

Give us multishot arrows

[feral cliff]

idk what to do there

[feral cliff]

dies of

scout

[primal stratus]

They don’t like making pots good so idk

[worthy pivot]

Harass item devs to reduce the penalties

[primal stratus]

But the effort to get fishing pots is really high

[worthy pivot]

why are augment potions, bought with pocket lint, better than t5 fish pots

[primal stratus]

So you would think they would be some of the best pots

[worthy pivot]

lole

[primal stratus]

Instead they are useless

[rigid oyster]

aren't they t4 fish pots

[feral cliff]

I think they got turned into t4 fish

[worthy pivot]

that 10ar Mungfish from the primirium is debatably a better consumable than concentrated mungfish

[feral cliff]

yeah there is some wack balancing there I will agree

[worthy pivot]

it effectively doubled the rate but they're still rare

[sweet wigeon]

triage infusion

[worthy pivot]

TRIAGE!!!! INFUSION!!!!!

YES!!!!!

[feral cliff]

hi hello please tell me if this is stupid

[primal stratus]

It’s stupid

[feral cliff]

thanks

how on earth do we fix it

[primal stratus]

Sequence scrolls already do that imo

[slate cloak]

sequencer scroll

[primal stratus]

You’re just adding an upgrade on an already hard to get upgrade

[feral cliff]

to be fair, sequences are aimed at just being a matter of preference

compared to base scrolls

that could change

[worthy pivot]

sequence should be marginally cheaper than what they currently are

[primal stratus]

They currently are always better from my knowledge

[slate cloak]

they are currently very much “invest more in for an always better payoff” which seems like what delves would be

[primal stratus]

Especially with how common the scroll frags are

[worthy pivot]

they cost 3.5 regular scrolls and have roughly 3.5 regular scrolls worth of chests

[primal stratus]

Which is not a bad thing

[slender mortar]

I think it'd be interesting if long combat rooms were intentionally more difficult than their normal variety

[rigid oyster]

they're cheaper than 3.5 regular scrolls

[slender mortar]

Personally I don't really see the vision of a "Hard" SKR

[primal stratus]

I also think forcing people to run the non-hardmode every time for someone to run the hardmode makes little sense

[feral cliff]

yeah that is a notable concern I had

[slate cloak]

i mean they kinda are, you see more like spawner gimmicks in long rooms

[primal stratus]

Delves are good because I can do them as many times as I want

[sweet wigeon]

one of the long rooms i did had a cool boss

[worthy pivot]

they're two scrolls and 12 fragments
are scrolls not 8/ea

[primal stratus]

Without ever having to go back

[rigid oyster]

regular scrolls are 8 frags and 2 har

[feral cliff]

the 2 har was maybe a mistake

[worthy pivot]

oh the monopoly money

[rigid oyster]

might've been yeah

also a long combat has on average slightly more than 50% the chests of a short combat

[slate cloak]

i get adding a har sink but it punishes new players and does literally nothing to entrenched players

[rigid oyster]

so it's slightly less than 1.5 combat scrolls while giving slightly more than 1.5 combat scrolls

[feral cliff]

im looking for a way to give the folks who say its too easy a way to engage it at a higher difficulty while not alienating those who think its fine as is

maybe impossible task

[rigid oyster]

its something like 1.6 scrolls of loot for 1.4 scrolls of cost or something

[feral cliff]

dubious

[worthy pivot]

tbh I think that the frame of reference for balancing was kinda off kilter

[feral cliff]

there are a few things off kilter here

[worthy pivot]

we kinda balanced around the worst case scenario

[primal stratus]

The core issue is will it give more rewards, if not just scrap it and keep SKRs how they are

[feral cliff]

it'd have it come with that delve mat in some capacity

otherwise what is the point

[primal stratus]

Otherwise everyone will be inclined to do the harder version

And then what’s the point in having it easy

[worthy pivot]

babymode mw2 players

[primal stratus]

When they aren’t that much in the first place though

[feral cliff]

completely viable other option is just

buffing base mobs

[primal stratus]

Mw2 after Sirius and CZ?

Doubtful

[feral cliff]

however I alienate everyone who said "its fine"

[remote nebula]

base mobs are extremely weak

[feral cliff]

my honest reaction when 200 hp base mob 55 attack damage

base as in fodder

I suppose there is no scaling on top so it can afford to be higher

I will have to look at SP base stats + delve scaling

[worthy pivot]

at least from personal anecdote i did most of r3's story in tiered garbage

[primal stratus]

Crazy

[feral cliff]

ian you are out of the ordinary

[primal stratus]

I was mw3 in a day or two when I reached r3

With bad gear but did get it pretty fast

[feral cliff]

actually I remember doing a blue delve in t3

[worthy pivot]

i think I was in mw2ish by the time I was doing a0

[primal stratus]

Yeah that’s not normal

[worthy pivot]

it wasn't very hard

[high trout]

Only thing I ask for hard mode is no pern pls 🙏

[slender mortar]

The only idea I really have is to make long combat rooms more difficult (greater base scaling?) since they already have more loot and are optional

[worthy pivot]

i think it's mob density rather than individual stats tbh

i cross checked a lot of the SKR mods with low pt star point mobs and they were roughly equivalent on an individual level

it's just that you don't have legionary 5 twisted 5 colossal 5 to add elites and double the mobs on top of delve scaling

[feral cliff]

ideally the solution doesn't involve me hand changing spawn counts in hundreds of spawners

[worthy pivot]

:'(

[feral cliff]

also technically an opportunity to have difficulty in stats rather than count

[primal stratus]

Actually it does

[worthy pivot]

if you give me the tools I can do at least some of skr

[primal stratus]

I do think some mob counts need to be changed tbf

[worthy pivot]

then maybe you'll only have to do 850 spawners instead of 900

[silver lake]

all mobs become elites

[worthy pivot]

true

[feral cliff]

just generally too few?

[worthy pivot]

best in slot chargingbuck farm

[white merlin]

there were some rooms that had the spawners quite spaced out and the encounters were like 1 or 2 mobs each. thinking about the starlight tree (merdd 1?) here in particular, played that room twice and frankly it didnt really feel like a "combat" room

theres likely more as well but this is the one ive noticed it the most on so far

[snow wharf]

That’s just the vengeful delve modifier again

[rigid oyster]

Is it possible to globally modify enemy count ala legionary modifier style

[feral cliff]

maybe

@silver lake are you able to apply delve mods with mechs or would I need to talk to a plugin guy

[primal stratus]

A few spawners here and there

That spawned like 1 mob

[silver lake]

@glad oak i redirect to you

i frankly have no clue

[primal stratus]

I was like

[feral cliff]

I think that'd be fine the mobs themselves were more threatening

but they are just

not

[silver lake]

i don't think so because i dont clear player delve mods before they enter skr and it still doesnt work there

i guess it might bea plugin proeprty

[feral cliff]

probably

[rigid oyster]

I was thinking more about how flexible is the delve modifier system for scaling enemies

Eg can u recycle the stat scaling system from it to buff enemy stats in specific content

[feral cliff]

can I cannibalize it for functionality

[rigid oyster]

Yes

[feral cliff]

I think I'd have to just change base stats

otherwise I'd get fired

[rigid oyster]

How would that work for a difficulty system

Manually set enemy stats for every difficulty?

[feral cliff]

oh if it was indeed a difficulty system of varying tiers yes it'd need to be delve / delve adjacent

if its sticking at just 1 tier as implemented currently then its manual stat adjustments

[snow wharf]

How does SKT handle stats?

Doesn’t it like buff or nerf all enemies or smth

Between story/normal/savage

[rigid oyster]

i think its manual

current SKR is balanced for mw2-3 yeah?

[glad oak]

• story gives you a buff
• every mob has a boss_tagscaling bosstag that gives it a buff if you have a certain tag (for SKT thats 25% DR 25% damage increase if you have SKTHard)

[glad oak]

the question is two questions in disguise

[rigid oyster]

ah

can spawners have tags

[feral cliff]

can he answer both

[glad oak]

you can apply delve modifiers with mechs but you might get fired and for delve modifiers to apply to skr they'd need to be added in plugin first

[rigid oyster]

so I guess doing something similar to DRG's hazard system probably isn't viable

[feral cliff]

budget is capped by how burnt out I am

[silver lake]

budget is r3 balance and its consequences on developper moral

[rigid oyster]

for context, DRG sets global modifiers to enemy dmg taken/dealt/spawnrate/movespeed

[sweet wigeon]

mactera plague in monumenta when

[feral cliff]

yeah I got no idea

[rigid oyster]

i have dreamed up a stupid SKR reward idea

[cobalt dawn]

give em retrieval

[silver lake]

retrieval arrows is so slop

[rigid oyster]

let us pay a bunch of SKR memory frags to replace Plot Doorway globe with an end portal so it looks like a small silver gate

[feral cliff]

cosmetics

would work

along with potions

[cobalt dawn]

let's get more arrows vs let's go gambling

[feral cliff]

but its like

who would do that

[silver lake]

^

[cobalt dawn]

oh I meant plus whatever not just retrieval

[feral cliff]

cosmetics in general would work as a solution maybe

I was told no to arrows I think

unless they are "a good idea"

[cobalt dawn]

But the theme is memories

... double shot...

[feral cliff]

so cook a good idea me thinks

[silver lake]

kill masterwork and make it the cost to ec enhance certain items..

[feral cliff]

that would work

chat what if the casino pots just got extra length for mem frags

I think im fired

[remote nebula]

The_Kaltsit

if it was a very minor buff, maybe

[cobalt dawn]

potions of recall

[silver lake]

1hr->1hr 2 minutes

[rigid oyster]

ability to upgrade charmbag to hold rares/epics charms

[silver lake]

no

[rigid oyster]

:(

[silver lake]

wish that was real but

[feral cliff]

do we have a good reason

[cobalt dawn]

set a marker -> drink potion, teleports you back

[silver lake]

too much data

[feral cliff]

is that real

[remote nebula]

15 -> 18s Forgeflame
3 charge -> 4 charge Godbrew
6s -> 8s Dew

[rigid oyster]

pay for ability to use charmbag with armory?

[remote nebula]

would be fine

[feral cliff]

Oh I meant

the 1h potions

not those things

[remote nebula]

oh

man

[feral cliff]

dew is fucking overpowered

I am not buffing that

ever

[silver lake]

lol

[feral cliff]

fuck dew actually

[cobalt dawn]

6s -> 6s dew

[remote nebula]

dew is fucked

[silver lake]

6s -> 4s dew

[remote nebula]

it's either genuinely mandatory or beyond useless

[feral cliff]

"yes today I will add button that reduces cooldowns"

[remote nebula]

its so split on classes

[cobalt dawn]

+3 particles upgrade

[rigid oyster]

a lot of ppl hang around in their plot and like to move the plot doorways around

[cobalt dawn]

I think the potions were made by a warrior main

[remote nebula]

ah yes, warrior, the least usable class with dew

[silver lake]

And i want to kill those people because they stunlock themselves every 2 days

[cobalt dawn]

exactly

didn't consider how strong it is

[remote nebula]

well maybe if certain classes weren't dead fish outside of their cooldowns we wouldn't need dew

The_Kaltsit

[cobalt dawn]

me setting up a kaizo box on my plot so anyone teleporting in gets dropped to the giant hole

[feral cliff]

dew should just die

[silver lake]

Can we go back on topic

[cobalt dawn]

and then can't get out

[feral cliff]

I can see it but its also not a mainstream thing I wouldnt think

[rigid oyster]

.

[silver lake]

That was just going to be added at some point for free to the item

Devtime budget is pretty low rn

[rigid oyster]

opinion about cosmetic particle infusion?

[remote nebula]

gilded is already bad enough

any particle is just blinding

[silver lake]

Um. Maybe? Thats very broad and stuff like festive is just goofy

Skr room plot borders !

[rigid oyster]

pay for lier and galos border maybe

also takir and.. coven?

[white merlin]

would build sharders be allowed to just yoink rooms and turn them into plot borders or would that be devside
far from all rooms work well for this but theres surely some that would look good

[silver lake]

@feral cliff approval is missing

And also since rooms were touched dev side it would have to be done there

[low jetty]

It’s in my brain but college exists

So, maybe

[rigid oyster]

i know it was already planned

but given how cheap har is and memory frags have fallen a lot in price maybe the ability to upgrade it is warranted rather than it being free

though i guess that would also put it within price range of an epic too

and i remember it being mentioned that that wasn't desirable for a reason i don't remember?

[silver lake]

It was too niche

[rigid oyster]

its currently like 3.5-4ish scrolls to afford charmbag I think

[silver lake]

Youre going to have to convince charging not me

[rigid oyster]

i don't need to convince anyone

was just putting the option on the table

i don't mind getting it for free

[white merlin]

send the changed rooms back to build shard
no matter where it happens, i hope it does because more plot borders are always awesome and especially with skr being quite theme diverse i feel like itd be a good mat sink that people really might wanna invest into

[charred imp]

i'll be working with charging at some point this week on the plot border creation process (like, actually implementing one) so he'll have the process at that point

[sweet wigeon]

to whoever put an insta explode tnt spawner in front of this chest, i hope your pillow is warm on both sides

[remote nebula]

🔥

[low jetty]

I fell for that too but I grabbed the chest before it blew up

[sweet wigeon]

i was actively trying to grab the chest

but i was like a quarter of a block off

[sweet wigeon]

actually i was actually on it for like a quarter second

[mortal ember]

Not My Fault

I put the spawner there not the chest

[wary ivy]

Okay here me out, several things to do that would apply all at once:

• Make "Long" rooms much harder.

• Change normal sequence scrolls to all normal combat/puzzle/combat (potentially another puzzle as well) and reduce the scroll frag cost to 10, or possibly lower.

• Add Savage Scrolls (placeholder name) with something like:

  Savage Combat Scroll (1 normal combat, 1 long combat)
  Savage Puzzle Scroll (1 normal puzzle, 1 long puzzle)
  Savage Sequence Scroll (1 normal combat, 1 normal puzzle, 1 long combat, 1 long puzzle, 1 long combat)
  Could potentially have "pure savage scrolls" (again placeholder) that removes the normals for less rewards, but gets you to the hard stuff faster

• Savage scrolls cost their base scroll type + memory fragments to "upgrade", and additionally earn whichever extra rewards yall are thinking about adjacent to this (delve mats etc)

[snow wharf]

Long puzzles, is our idea here just the same puzzle multiple times?

[high trout]

I feel like if they gonna add even longer scroll than sequence there should be a "boss room"

[wary ivy]

There could be a boss room type for the savage sequence finale sure

[snow wharf]

the problem with harder scrolls costing more to get to is it eventually becomes too long between the ability to play the room and not play the room.

[slender garden]

I was half expecting SKR to be Zenith/DD but with normal class abilities and skill charms with periodically harder bosses and rooms

[wary ivy]

Unsure what the conclusion was about the discussion earlier, multiple times would be the "easiest", but it doesn't really make it harder, just more tedious

[slender garden]

honestly that'd be a good piece of content if done right

[wary ivy]

Theoretically the "savage scrolls" I suggested have the exact same drop rate as normal scrolls, you just have to pay a slight upgrade fee, but the time between runs is the exact same, and would be worth it for the extra chest count from more rooms

[wary ivy]

The tl;dr of my idea is to make the increase in difficulty come primarily from Long rooms, then add new scrolls to have ones that have more Long rooms, but also cost a little extra to run

That way there doesn’t need to be some extra system to increase the difficulty, the long rooms can already function as it

[nova mango]

i feel like allowing them to be delved like pois would be good enough

for like 1 maybe 2 mats extra

[wary ivy]

I think we can find something more interesting than "just slap delves on" to the 542nd piece of content

[wary ivy]

If there is literally 0 other options, it's better than nothing I guess, but it'd be nice to have anything else

[nova mango]

what would make your savage scroll idea harder since i feel like delves are a way better option than just bloating stats with more hp and dmg

[snow wharf]

we just need more delve modifiers than the current list, tbh

[wary ivy]

Well that's the thing, if the long rooms are locked to the harder difficulty scroll you could directly change the mobs/spawners to have said interesting affects

Instead of slapping the same delve mods on and calling it a day

Obviously this also requires thinking about what to do to increase the difficulty directly, but this scroll system at least would check a lot of boxes I think, feel free for a dev to chew it up and spit it out

Alternatively a much better idea I just had: shrimply create 5 new astrals unique to SKRs and have every single chest spawn with one

[high trout]

I'm not fan of delving everything in r3

[dense pendant]

sequence scrolls are good! but locking the long combats behind a short combat is going to be irritating to anyone used to performing at the long combat level because half the time they have to play short combat which is too easy

[feral cliff]

I think the immediate roadblock I have is what does
Make "Long" rooms much harder. actually mean

if its

Respawner the long combat rooms with the same mobs
thats not off the table but its not immediately feasible just because of dev budget

and long lengths currently have the same mobset as normal lengths

[scenic ocean]

the density of long combat room is noticeable harder for me ngl

[feral cliff]

yeah like

for everthing said here

its also been noted as "fine" for a lot of other people

[scenic ocean]

day 2 of wish add firework effect after hit spawner req/finish puzzle of skr

[orchid briar]

It is fine but just fine is not hard

Maybe you are better off waiting for more rooms to be made so you can make them into actual hard mode rooms idk

[sweet wigeon]

it is a long combat room not a hard combat room

[grizzled sun]

those long combat room already contain puzzle i have no idea what to do

[dense kindle]

I will add, we have no plans to just slap delve mods onto this content

It’ll absolutely need brand new modifiers and changes

We’re open to ideas on those

[dense pendant]

i think a modifier which could be interesting and “easy” is just slapping some of the new spawner types onto random spawners?

or would that sloppify the new spawner types

[snow wharf]

I feel like to unslopify spawner types they need to be repassed over on current content so it isn’t just spawner shield every 2 seconds in star point POIs

[spice granite]

You should add bosses to some of the long combat rooms it feels unrewarding to not have a big fight at the end considering we made a sequence scroll

Since long combats are locked behind sequence

Otherwise sequence is never really worth it

[feral cliff]

wow crazy

youread my mind

[feral cliff]

the math is a bit off right now and they give more money on paper on average

[wary ivy]

spawners shields are cool because I feel rewarded for using the mending pickaxe :3

[feral cliff]

this is ultimate slop

slapping those down without much care would not be good

[snow wharf]

Please dont thank you I love breaking the same spawner twice for no reason it immerses me

[feral cliff]

ok I will add shields

[weak lake]

Must be at least 10 shields per spawner

[ornate light]

spawner shields but every nearby mob gives it +1 shield
or rather, mobs that protects their own spawner from being mined for 1 time

[feral cliff]

like this shield achieves nothing

[snow wharf]

Can you name that marker?

Maybe Jeffery

[weak lake]

Spawner shields, but each nearby mob gives a nearby chest +1 shield

[spice granite]

thats still kinda not worth it imo cause 12 scroll fragments to craft sequence

[snow wharf]

It’s probnaly lonely

[feral cliff]

not worth it by what standard

[spice granite]

if it costs 8 to craft a scroll I could just save up until I get 4 more scroll fragments and make 2 more scrolls ontop

they should change the scroll frag cost for sequence to 10

not 12

[snow wharf]

A long room is worth more than 1.5 combats or puzzles on average

They give 14 average and normal combats give 7 average, so 10.5 vs 14 I believe

[rigid oyster]

A sequence costs 1.35 scrolls and gives about 1.6 or so scrolls in loot

It is absolutely always worth it in the long run to make sequence scrolls currently, without any doubt whatsoever

If anything, short scrolls should probably have their har cost removed and long combats nerfed by a chest or so

[snow wharf]

Idk where you’re getting 1.35 from?

A sequence costs 3.5 scrolls.

[dense pendant]

do you mean the long combat from a sequence costs 1.35 scrolls

[mortal tartan]

the alternative to "it is always worth it to make sequence scrolls" is "it is never worth it to make sequence scrolls"

which is dumb

sequence scrolls are fine because you play more of the game and you get more rewards

[white merlin]

also saving up should feel rewarding and not like unnecessarily delaying rewards

[dense pendant]

also long combat is “harder” which probably justifies it

[feral cliff]

In an ideal perfect world sequence / basic scrolls have equivalent rewards and it just comes down to a matter of preference

in leau of that, I find it better to skew in favour of sequences than against it

difference shouldn’t be suuuper noticeable on average anywho, but there certainly are outlying rooms

[true cave]

sequence should be worth buying

[low jetty]

I also think the long rooms are pretty neat. I’ve enjoyed the two I’ve had so far. (Although tbf I’ve liked all of the SKRs I’ve been in)

[white merlin]

all the long rooms are such enormous cook i am in love with the lier rooms

[silver lake]

Sequence is already worth playing

[wispy swan]

by sheer profit no scroll is worth playing

sequence barely breaks even on average

normal scrolls lose money

unless you want the content or achievements or whatever else, doing scrolls is sabotaging yourself

[weak gulch]

that is if you buy the materials/scrolls from the market . otherwise you can get like 12-14 har if you sell the mats alone

[wispy swan]

you get 6-7 mats per normal scroll which, at 1.75 har per (using the current stonkco sell price), is 10-12 har while scrolls themselves can be sold for 13 har

sequence makes roughly 26 mats on average (with a larger range here but from my 5 sequences i think 26 is average) which is 45 har; 2 scrolls can be sold for 13 har each, 12 scroll frags can be sold for 21 har which makes the total cost 47 har

[silver lake]

we are not going to balance around the fact stonkco gets you more money

[wispy swan]

assuming you sell things to the best currrently available shops, doing any scroll is always a loss

[wispy swan]

im not saying it should be balanced around it, i just said that them being worth doing is wrong

the objective kind of worth, not subjective for fun or wtv

if you like them by all means go ahead and play them

[grizzled sun]

why would i give up chance to play content just to get money i don't even have place spend on...?

that's such a weird mindset

[rigid oyster]

The prices are like that because ppl are willing to eat a loss just to experience the content

So ppl are paying more than a scroll rewards for said scroll

No point in balancing rewards around market price nor is the market price based on “material value”

[wispy swan]

its not a mindset its a fact

what i stated is the objective truth

if you want my personal opinion, i do skrs every now and then

knowing full well its a loss

[wispy swan]

yeah thats valid

[primal stratus]

Also that’s how it always is

Hoard keys are more than what you get out of them

It’s normal

If they drop below, there’s some issues

Since they will be insta-bought for profit

[scenic ocean]

I treat skr as r3 hoard and nowadays the RNG part is fine to me

[feral cliff]

this was the goal

originally the niche was supposed to be bite-sized pois but we shifted away from that as things wrapped up

[dense kindle]

Yeah, it gave us more space to be super rewarding instead of a 10 minute distraction that barely gave a PoI’s worth

[primal stratus]

Will SKR cache's be updated with frags from newer content

Or will its rewards become pointless in late game r3

[glad oak]

@feral cliff don't you want to make more _v2 versions of loot tables

[primal stratus]

v2

[feral cliff]

Kill me

[feral cliff]

probably but like

at the same time that transmog tables are updated I'd imagine

[primal stratus]

so delayed

[feral cliff]

significantly yes

[primal stratus]

sucks

[feral cliff]

dont want the best way to get frags from new content to be by opening stacked chests

[primal stratus]

oh

[feral cliff]

from unrelated content

[primal stratus]

that makes sense

[wary ivy]

So you're telling me there's unobtainables to be had

[feral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-jk-simmons-ivo-ivo-shandor-cymbal-gif-15826415

[high trout]

yo guysI wanted to ask what rooms do you guys enjoy the most

[glad oak]

find the button made me enlightened and zen

I achieved nirvana through theazone's teachings

[primal stratus]

puzzle vs combat?

[high trout]

doesn't matter

just like asking what rooms do you enjoy

[primal stratus]

i like puzzles because I don't have to search for the chests

but once I learn all rooms it'll probably be combats as the puzzles take too long

like avg puzzle is fine, but the chance of it being a really long puzzle vs a shorter one is kind of 😔

towers puzzle takes me a while, and they nerfed the rewards even more for it

[high trout]

minesweeper

[high trout]

did you know theres solvers for towers

[primal stratus]

Yes but why would I use that

strips the entire point of the puzzle

[high trout]

I personally don't like towers

[primal stratus]

I use solvers on towers when I get stuck for more than 10 minutes

i actually enjoy towers its just hard because i did not do that puzzle before

[charred imp]

easy fix, we just decay all stowed away chests on every weekly update

[wicked plinth]

I like operator

[dense kindle]

My intention is that new expansions will receive SKR locations and the new frags, with the new frags delayed as mentioned above.

[grizzled sun]

After chance increase, in past 6 day, i done all poi (most of them just once, some two or three due to bounty), done all daily include fishing, beside sirius i have done some non daily run, other daily content i only done them once per day, in total i got

• 12 Scroll
• 26 fragment
  love chance increase

[primal stratus]

Damn I’ve gotten maybe 6-7

Which I’m happy with

[grizzled sun]

i think i'll still recorded it, may just i being lucky

[wispy swan]

i mean... good rates buff i guess? lol

[remote nebula]

@feral cliff rip this guy's spine out

[remote nebula]

buy a lottery ticket

[remote willow]

Holy sweet mother of mercy

[white merlin]

just had a chest in rootways outskirts exploded by a tnt spawner

[scenic ocean]

ye another person got by it

we recommend lootrun chest before doing combat thanks

this is a joke for lega reasons

[dense pendant]

tbh this seems like peak trap design

[white merlin]

idk its just frustrating

[dense pendant]

if death doesn't punish players, then punish them by taking away their loot

how fast was the tnt fuse time?

[white merlin]

the spawner was in the roof

i did not expect the chest to even be in range

[grizzled sun]

have encounter it, i think i just got enough time to pick up chest

but yeah that's evil

[white merlin]

i just think exploding loot in the content youre supposed to play rarely isnt a fun mechanic

[silver lake]

It is

No one has gotten to stopping that though

[true cave]

not when the chest is over 10% of ur loot

[feral cliff]

lol didnt touch base_final rates

congrats on that pull

[feral cliff]

It is done

that was more gruelling than I anticipated

[silver lake]

lets slopify skr now

[feral cliff]

we need to deslop zenith shields first......

all one hundo+ rooms

[slender garden]

I feel like chests should be explosion immune in SKR

third time a creeper blew up one which left me one off from a cache

[wicked bronze]

Is this real…

[silver lake]

apply for dev and make it

[slender garden]

why would I when we have theazone

[feral cliff]

I agree but I need someone to code it

maybe i can ask exlius

[silver lake]

i'm going to create one block zones on each chest and then when we move the chest you have to spend 10 minutes remaking it

(i am not doing that)

[feral cliff]

explode

[sudden ocean]

hope you have a great day with lots of love and prosperity to you and those around you ❤️

[slender garden]

no death threats in monumenta mmo rpg @ex moderator

[silver lake]

you're getting timed out little bro.

[feral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/terence-fletcher-whiplash-answer-answer-me-shouting-angry-gif-23530973

[sudden ocean]

why do you hate positivity

[snow wharf]

shoulda just hired me on and made me do it smh

something something free intern labor

i assume that means a lot of those advancements will be easier to get

they are painful since they're in like 1 or 2 skrs total ever

[feral cliff]

no i didnt change that too much

biggest thing was just ripping out all the spawner shields unless they had a purpose

and I added a protector here n there

also I gutted chittering mobs

kind of

[snow wharf]

i didnt mind the elite spawners having effects often, its just that it was always spawner shield

[feral cliff]

yeah

[snow wharf]

Spawner shield should really be reserved for like, the 10 shield or the 25 shield which use it well.

[feral cliff]

shields were added to the held spawner items, and then they were placed like normal

(which is like why...)

[feral cliff]

my thoughts exactly

I think I use them well inside skr rooms

[snow wharf]

but i think making elites more likely to have effects feels nice

TBH, i haven't played much SKR yet too many school, but the rooms i did play i dont remember seeing bad spawner shields

esp in puzzle rooms no bad spawner shields there 👍

[feral cliff]

fo real

no I think there are more protector spawners than there are shielded spawners

because just placing a spawner with a shield or 2 on it doesn't really achieve anything

unless its in a 2/3 spawner encounter and you want the player to mine a specific one first

[snow wharf]

protector + trap spawners

waiter waiter! please more!

[feral cliff]

on it

i asked qwan for a couple changes so ensnared properly interacts with revenge

it also could be interesting if ensnared triggered on shield clear rather than spawner mine

[snow wharf]

ah yes i too know what ensnared spawners do

[feral cliff]

like

shield wall

cages the player

[snow wharf]

oh uh

chance cubes 1?

[feral cliff]

I think so

yeah

[snow wharf]

does it spawn a horse

if there are no mobs

[stuck kayak]

shoutout charging uv

[wary ivy]

Which spawners are the ones with gold/yellow particles in them? I break them it makes a noise but I have literally no idea what it does

[snow wharf]

alert

they taunt nearby mobs to youi

[wary ivy]

Why are they in SKR which is solo content

[snow wharf]

uh, we hate assassin stealth something something

[feral cliff]

in them? Alert, one is in chittering. one is in a keep skr

Protector is the halo on top

[sweet wigeon]

what does this mean

[wary ivy]

I guess it could agro mobs through walls which currently aren't pathing to you

[feral cliff]

I havent used them really that well

(i used it once)

[snow wharf]

more alerts in zenith

[feral cliff]

to hell with it heres the full log

[snow wharf]

did you fix the chittering mob bug?

the exploding elite sometimes doesnt explode

[wary ivy]

Went through a sequence earlier and got potentially said keep skr long combat, and there were like 10 of them in there

[feral cliff]

if you vicious combo it or something?

[feral cliff]

????

[snow wharf]

gets to 0, heals to like 50, charges its explosion, then just resumes regularly attacking yy

if you kill him he instantly explodes

[snow wharf]

warrior and mage both do it

[feral cliff]

lmao no I had no idea that was happening

@wicked plinth mate your shit is bugged out

[snow wharf]

uhh i think im a good player and totally reported it

no i didn't lol

[stuck kayak]

whats a sewer menace

[snow wharf]

shulker

[feral cliff]

shulker

[stuck kayak]

👎

[feral cliff]

there were 2 spawners I had never seen before

but they were there

[wary ivy]

Holy rampart chests batman!

[feral cliff]

and just never spawned

[snow wharf]

dont they instantly delete themselves on spawn

the spawners

[feral cliff]

the spaweners yes

but somehow the shulkers werent spawning

idk i just turned the range up

if it plays like shit I can just remove or move them

[wary ivy]

I do think it's kind of crazy Ramparts is the first star point POI you see and quest into, but it's not like you can change that now lool

[feral cliff]

entirely agree

[wary ivy]

I think it could be seen as a T3 poi though, which could help new players expectations

[feral cliff]

oh I also like

didnt place as many random pool elites

things will be more consistent / thought out

[snow wharf]

can we please make the very first variant spawner in ramparts cat so its the first thing anyone sees relating to the concept

[wary ivy]

There's nothing affecting poi tier in R3 with bounties afaik so it's just cosmetic

[snow wharf]

would be 🔥

[feral cliff]

entirely

except skrs

which has a scale of 1 - 5, but thats entirely internal

[wary ivy]

Yah

[feral cliff]

except for the pinned message here

[wary ivy]

Amped Ramparts when

[snow wharf]

what do you mean "when" you can amp it alr

[feral cliff]

I might just make an amped coven fort for april 1

[sweet wigeon]

amped starbound

[snow wharf]

its called going to it in progression normally with unmwed or tiered gear

[wary ivy]

But yeah making ramparts T3 would help out the most that's really possible I think

[snow wharf]

i assume guarded are inverse protected? like, you cant break it until everything it spawned is dead

so, when are we getting the guarded + protected spawner

[feral cliff]

tempted to use those in zenner

me when me when

[snow wharf]

you cant kill anything and it cant be broken until everything it spawned is dead

wait no thats in azzys mansion alr my bad

[feral cliff]

lmao yeah fair point

[wicked plinth]

ok guess we're doing it the other way then

[snow wharf]

yeah guarded is honestly a really good way to quell lr in zenith if thats desired

[feral cliff]

would you like help implementing or can you do it when you have time

[wicked plinth]

I can do it

[feral cliff]

oaker

[wicked plinth]

dreadfulimmune go

[feral cliff]

dreadfulimmune go

[feral cliff]

it may help yeah

I come from the old out-of-touch camp of people that believe you should kill mobs

[snow wharf]

if enough spawners in rooms are guarded where you can not clear the room without breaking atleast one, then you would have to clear that spawner which might allow the backlog of mobs the lr crew creates to catch up

[feral cliff]

alternatively

what was that old delve mod that gave mobs juiced stats if they were 8 blocks away

relentless?

[snow wharf]

uh yeah i called it "free points" tho

[feral cliff]

idk a6 mobs x blocks away hunt you down

[snow wharf]

make it scale the further away they are so mobs like 40 blocks away move mach like 4

[silver lake]

#bring back echoes

[feral cliff]

yeah

[feral cliff]

we can if we wanted to

but it was piss

[silver lake]

it was goofy

[feral cliff]

idk why you'd want to bring back piss

[snow wharf]

honestly i dont think i even played echoes once

[feral cliff]

I dont think I did either i will be dead honest

I dont remember what it did

but i remember it being piss

[silver lake]

i think it was kind of anti lootrun

[feral cliff]

add it into the doc az

for skr

[silver lake]

i forgot the entire

thing

[feral cliff]

ffs

[slender mortar]

Its anti fun

[feral cliff]

this guy

cocopad what did it do

[snow wharf]

i had to go to fandom wiki to pull this relic from the depths of hell

[silver lake]

its peak anti lootrun

[feral cliff]

Oh so Eternity but for health instead of time

[slender mortar]

Fandom usage is crazy

[silver lake]

you have to kill mobs

[slender mortar]

Ok well thats a terrible way to encourage killing mobs

[snow wharf]

its removed off the regular wiki

[slender mortar]

I get it

I respect the hustle

:kang:

[rigid oyster]

Wasnt echo removed because it kept breaking

[wicked plinth]

ok hopefully this should no longer be the case I made it function differently but the effect should still be the same

elites gonna die normally now when you kill it but itll spawn an invincible guy that doesnt move to perform its big boom

this should also alleviate any issues that might arise from like chivalrous interacting with the detonator and making it move while charging up big boom

[old flicker]

peak

[snow wharf]

Thank you me lon

[nova salmon]

0 frags or scrolls from fishing now 😔

[rigid oyster]

F

At a guess, I’d assume it got adjusted 0.5 rate for bounty and 0.125 for combat chest now

To add up to 1 daily worth to be in line with the other dailies

*someone is not going to read and take that as fact so this is a secondary disclaimer that this is purely a guess

[dense pendant]

doubt, the bounty chest is the same as t0 combat chest

it’s a guess but i’m p sure it’s an incorrect one

(Clear Skies and bounty both grant Greaters, Rainstorm grants Abyssal I, Monsoon grants Abyssal II)

[rigid oyster]

Do bounty and combat chest stack

[burnt pulsar]

I've gotten 3 frags from 10 greater (abyssal 2??) caches which I think is ok but 💔

Actually is there a difference in drop rate between tiers

[silver lake]

i dont think charging did that

[burnt pulsar]

I think it would be consistent to Not do that

[silver lake]

yea

[worthy pivot]

No ❤️

[rigid oyster]

He explicitly made it not

Initially poi bounties did

[dense pendant]

actually i don’t understand the design philosophy here

[rigid oyster]

And then it was intentionally made same across bounty tier wk2

[dense pendant]

wouldn’t we want SKR rates to increase as a reward for doing harder content

[silver lake]

no

not for this content, atleast

[rigid oyster]

No because then you’d have double scaling potentially

A harder difficulty for possibly slightly more rewards is on the table for scrolls

Double dipping more scrolls and then more rewards for scrolls is undesirable i think

Frags and scrolls are also a fairly sizable buff to the income from dailies/weeklies already too

[dense pendant]

ah i see, it’s with the planned “harder scrolls = more rewards”

[rigid oyster]

Buffing them even further would probably cause more problems

R3 already have frequent complaints about the devaluation of HAR, best not to supercharge those problems I think

On the backend side, it also makes the math a headache

Cuz now u have to calculate a range of values instead of a single value

Part of why the initial balancing was so fucked is because of how many layers of dice rolls were involved between scroll drop rates, silver memory reward rates, cache scroll/frag drop rates, etc

[slate cloak]

is supposed to be a bonus reward for everyone, not just the endgame rich people running high point content

[orchid briar]

Then why are they locked behind sirius and cz

I am not aganist skrs being casual mw2 oriented content but at sirius and cz progression level you are atleast mw 3

[old flicker]

ahem
rephrased:
is supposed to be a bonus reward for endgame players, not just the endgame rich tryhard sweats running content in the most optimal way

[orchid briar]

Endgame but not that endgame then

[old flicker]

[primal stratus]

They really should just push them up

I don’t see why they are only for post- Sirius and cz

[old flicker]

i dont see a lore reason either

wait

well cz/indigo and silvergates are related

so cz req kinda makes sense

but i dont see why it would need a req in the first place

[feral cliff]

if I say ah to hell with it I can just increase a bunch of stats I suppose

[orchid briar]

You could

But tbh if we consider the mw2-3 as balance point difficulty is fine

Most people are just mw4 full infused

So a harder difficulty for next batch of room i think is a better way

[feral cliff]

if we ever get in our rear in gear on a hard mod it'd likely be some kind of modifiers applied rather than new rooms

[feral cliff]

I can't really justify "mw2-3" since the reqs got pushed up

originally it was just getting to sp as a req, but that evolved and I guess I failed to update

[orchid briar]

What happens when arcanist main balances stats

[true cave]

erm

[orchid briar]

Arcanist is just

Weaker than most other options

[wispy swan]

they should let the arcanist main balance arcanist instead

🔥

(let me do more than 10 damage per minute the second there aren't 2 mobs hugging each other)

[orchid briar]

Not allowed i think

[wispy swan]

racism

[orchid briar]

Everything changed when Alchemist Nation attacked.

Ok so yea for mw4 balancing just bump stats about 15% and should be goob

I think

[wispy swan]

alch and arca is the holy graal of racist jokes but id rather not

[orchid briar]

Not the right place for that

[wispy swan]

however

arcanist lives matter

😔

[feral cliff]

???

[feral cliff]

idk 20% to call it safe?

[orchid briar]

15-20%

[wispy swan]

tell me alch isnt the favorite child 😭

[feral cliff]

a wheel will be spun

[orchid briar]

15% ranged mobs and 20% melee

How about that

[feral cliff]

you are thiiiis close to an ignore add

[feral cliff]

shoare

magic abils I’ll do individually

[orchid briar]

Makes sense

[wispy swan]

trying to not say anything disrespectful gone wrong, is that my fault or not i cant tell

[orchid briar]

Simply not right place

[wispy swan]

not the right place for a joke ig. sure

then i apologize or smth

[orchid briar]

Happens

[feral cliff]

prepare to get nopped

[wispy swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770094079102681198/1251653593530896384/attachment-14.gif

[orchid briar]

🐦 🐦‍⬛

[wispy swan]

okay skr now

is there any reason the weekly guaranteed scroll was changed from 19 pois to 12?

seems counterintuitive cause 19 is all of them

[remote nebula]

so you can skip these 7

[wispy swan]

LOL

hey rampart isnt bad

coven is also alright

[remote nebula]

more specifically manor.

just manor, actually.

[orchid briar]

I have zero idea how coven is below amanita

[wispy swan]

amanita is fun wdym

a bit stretched underground but you can skip a part of it and get away with it

[remote nebula]

coven's boss is an iron golem

[orchid briar]

Im not playing fun game find the 500 spawners somewhere in the cave which is somewhere in other cave sometimes in this cave or in that same looking cave

[remote nebula]

and that's all you need to know, really

[orchid briar]

Who cares it dies in 10s just swap to any dps

[remote nebula]

kalsus

[wispy swan]

thats so locum