🪹the-sepulchre-arg

[ivory wren]

So we have like 4 groups of interest now? USIA, GDS, The Spider, the MLO

And we're largely speculative on the motive for each

[pastel vale]

im going to quickly run through to get the s rank ending so i can ss with the debug camera

[sharp raptor]

Both the Cartel and the Mafia belong to the Spider faction

[ivory wren]

"Quickly"

[pastel vale]

ive done it before

these mlo guys are soft as baby shit i got thius

[ivory wren]

Good luck bro

[ivory wren]

We know this for sure?

The mafia yeah, I'm a little iffy on the gang

[sharp raptor]

Yes, at Judge Home. It shows that the Spider Organisation has the ability to control Los Locos and the Glukhovskoye Mafia.

[ivory wren]

Yeah, but the phrase "third party" implies that the group doesn't belong to them, they just use them for tasks

Also "external interest groups"

[hidden bobcat]

not necessarily "control"

just collaboration

[ivory wren]

Yeah, or like outsourcing tasks

[sharp raptor]

I mean in a broader sense; cartels and the Mafia actually both fall under the Spider Line. This is because they appear to take orders only from the Spider and have no links to any other organisations.

[pastel vale]

i couldnt get it yet and honestly i got super close then i found the ss

[echo cave]

ig there was a theory ab the USIA wanting to make a police state (millatarized state), via enabling big crime syndicates and skyrocketing crime rates to force the president's hand or so, and that the MLO is a mere project of the USIA

[pastel vale]

ill try to get a d bug video

[sharp raptor]

I’m increasingly coming to see MLO as mere tools. Perhaps MLO aren’t as impressive as we might think; the reason they work is because they have backing.

[echo cave]

adding onto this we already know MLO has had some failed projects/test subjects USIA later had to clean up

[iron frost]

second cohort mogs first cohort

[echo cave]

judge is 1st?

[bold oasis]

Sullivan is first

[pastel vale]

found it

@echo cave

[sharp raptor]

He’s clearly Chinese. That’s right. He must be a member of the Green Dragon Society.

[iron frost]

judge is 2nd im pretty sure

[iron frost]

lets go asian american representation in gaming

[pastel vale]

Have you even seen the prison ending

They are wearing the exact same attire, the hair style, etc

[pastel vale]

The MLO were the failed experiments, Judge was the first “successful” plant

[sharp raptor]

This has nothing to do with DEI. It has to do with the Green Dragon Society, which is linked to Chinese and Japanese culture.

[pastel vale]

Are you just saying random shit?

😭

[iron frost]

bros trippin

[pastel vale]

Bros just typing shit

[iron frost]

ong can't a guy just be happy to see an asian dude

[pastel vale]

Anywho

Yes, the man in green gloves is outside judges apartment

[bold oasis]

Doesn’t judge join MLO in that ending

[iron frost]

so judge is still in the plan regardless of what he does

[pastel vale]

In the prison ending yes, ||which is caused by detonating the explosives||

[ivory wren]

Bruh

[pastel vale]

I believe it’s actually not real

[iron frost]

green gloves? nah, race

[bold oasis]

Call me crazy but I think judge joining MLO is not in the USIA’s plans

[pastel vale]

I don’t think the man in green gloves exists, I think he’s a figment of judges imagination, he might be the man the MLO schizos mention, and that he is the god head

[ivory wren]

I was saying, I can't tell whether the girl outside is just from the shop, or whether she's a port hokan flashback for judge

[iron frost]

have heard this as well

[pastel vale]

He’s a mental figure of those procured by the USIA

[bold oasis]

Does Sullivan say anything about this in his mission?

[pastel vale]

Almost like a representative being of the formality and cunning of a government figure, the USIAs god head as they say

[pastel vale]

Sullivan?

[ivory wren]

Could be, the entire thing with his subtitle switching colours though, for some reason makes me think he might be real though

[pastel vale]

You mean Gerrard?

[ivory wren]

I have nothing to back this up with

[bold oasis]

Lmao yea Sullivan slope mission my b

[pastel vale]

The ending where the garbage truck goes by, he switches

From himself to a homeless woman

And in the ending with the prison, “No cameras, no people.” Judge isn’t awake, that ominous light could be representing his mental fatigue or day dreaming

[ivory wren]

How do you know judge isn't awake?

[iron frost]

How vague the environment looks

[bold oasis]

Sidenote totally a missed opportunity in calling “Sullivans slope” “Gerard’s way” instead

[pastel vale]

It’s more of a hunch because how you look at the GG man’s movements and the environment around him kinda seems like a “mind prison” than an actual prison

“These shackles are bound to be broken” and then you have the broken cuffs you get when completing it

[ivory wren]

Well, I'm not ruling anything out yet based on how little we know, so I'll take it with a grain of salt

[pastel vale]

He’s basically breaking away from the USIA’s restraints, joining the MLO

[shrewd yarrow]

i found this near the entrance on the right handside

[bold oasis]

I disagree. Literally speaking a USIA implanted highly trained swat member just ||pressed the button|| and I don’t think LSPD or Los suenos as a whole would cover that up

[pastel vale]

Wasn’t she killed in the attack that sparked the riots?

[shrewd yarrow]

i believe so

[iron frost]

Wrong reply?

[bold oasis]

Are u not talking about the prison being real?

[pastel vale]

That was me

[ivory wren]

I think it's safe to assume at least the prison is real if judge you know, commits modern 9/11

[bold oasis]

Yeah I mean. I think he’s the only awake MLO member

[pastel vale]

He’s not MLO

[bold oasis]

Which makes him so dangerous to USIA moving forward

[pastel vale]

At least not yet

[iron frost]

No I'm talking about the prison sequence being a dream or in imagination. He probably is actually in prison because duh

[bold oasis]

“Break the cycle”

[pastel vale]

What do you think Linch?

Do you think the prison ending is a dream?

[pastel vale]

Also forgot to ping you this (don’t kill me) @shrewd yarrow

[ivory wren]

Yeah, he's definitely not MLO in either ending, in the prison ending, the green man talks about how both USIA and the MLO want him but neither have him yet, and in the apartment, judge is investigating MLO because he knows very little about them

[iron frost]

Could also be he's in shock or something

[bold oasis]

Doesn’t the man in green gloves explicitly ask Judge if he wants to be free or something

[pastel vale]

I think he is directly aiding the MLO, but involuntarily

They didn’t want to be found until they let judge find them

They directly led judge to several places to find them

[shrewd yarrow]

there's a rumor that Judge is a ex USIA experiment, how true it is no idea.

also this is on the front desk

[pastel vale]

I think he is, as there is evidence pointing towards his cognitive abilities being shot and him being basically an emotionless machine

[ivory wren]

I'd believe this, like his actions have unintentionally benefited him, or they just recognize his skill set and want him.

Or, remember, judge has this like period of amnesia where he remembers nothing, and the MLO members know his name, but he doesn't know them, he could have been associated with them prior

[bold oasis]

Iirc Gerard led D-platoon with the express intention for judge to read his ramblings and put the pieces together that judge is the key

[pastel vale]

I think they wanted Judge

For a long time,m

[iron frost]

This is to do with his backstory

[pastel vale]

I think Gerrard was made specifically to lead Judge there, so we can find out about the MLO, the God head. So I’m going to rephrase everything

[ivory wren]

It seems all but confirmed no? on 3LT, the USIA contact in the brief talks about how he and judge go back in Nevada, In judge's apartment judge talks about how his ex wife convinced him to go to nevada (sounds like a plant), and the mysterious person in Judge's life who helped him in Nevada, is vague, and Judge can never remember how they met

[iron frost]

I think linch is making a joke

[ivory wren]

Oh my bad gang

[pastel vale]

I believe both Elaine Raskin and Gerard were directly and indirectly behind the mk experiments. Gerard possibly was exposed to the drugs which took a mental toll on him or he witnessed the horrors of creating "soldiers" for the USIA. The same can be said for Raskin, as she directly manipulates and extorts vulnerable people to join a cause to be a paramilitary group. But when the MLO began to break away, so did Gerard and Raskin. Then, the USIA created the control program or directly copied Gerard and raskin's homework to make the "Godhead", to control new plants.

Judge begins to notice patterns and behaviors, which causes his programming, like a robot, to break and he begins to envision the real "Godhead", which is the Green gloves man. He disappears and only appears when judge is at a low. So when judge basically sets off the bombs for the MLO, the God head emerges and takes the reigns in Judges weakened mental state, introducing him to the free shackles of breaking the cycle, joining the MLO.

[bold oasis]

Yeah lol. Gerard was MK-ultra V1 and Judge is MK-ultra V2. Wipe a person then build them back for your intended purpose. In this case, whatever the USIA needs

[iron frost]

W judge tho he got the federally assigned honeypot

[iron frost]

#🪹the-sepulchre-arg message so this is correct

[bold oasis]

But that’s the thing tho. Multiple times judge shows he is capable of also breaking their programming. So just something to nibble on imo

[pastel vale]

i extended it

[ivory wren]

Yeah so he's like perfect but also imperfect, in the sense that his mental and combat capabilities literally cannot be topped, but he's also not 100% brainwashed or follows instructions without hesitation

[pastel vale]

kind of like a robot gaining sentience

something trigged it

[bold oasis]

The college mission and port hokan are deeply interconnected

[pastel vale]

the college mission is suspected to be that meme about the cia supporting mass shootings or whatever which is actually tragic and very schizo

[ivory wren]

How would you say so?

[pastel vale]

i think the MLO were basically made to fight corruption, non-corruptable officers, but then fought against the very corrupt government system. When judge, during the port hokan mission, is told to shut the doors, he basically questions fisa.

also does anyone else notice when fisa is around in a new america, toc is more professional but when fisa is around and helping toc during port hokan, its just regular talk

[ivory wren]

I see it this way with FISA

[bold oasis]

I say this because of the bracelet you get. Judge gets a bracelet with his kids names on it. If you choose to wear that for your judge (this is where it kinda becomes headcanon so bear with me lmao) he’s constantly reminded of his kids and part of WHY he does what he does. When he opens the last container on port hokan and the trafficking victims are revealed, judge finally has that last neuron connect and he recognizes his own humanity. He instantly decides that he WANTS to disobey FISA’s orders but just can’t. Judge clearly expresses he wants to return to whatever the hell port hokan is with the FISA agent but that’s cutoff BY fisa.

So the college mission is important because it plants the seed and port is where it finally sprouts.

[pastel vale]

that kinda directly confirms my suspicions, judge is a non-corruptable, corruption fighting robot, that the neurons in his head get fired up when fisa begins to act like a**holes

[bold oasis]

Exactly. And even though judge never needs therapy, he starts to show actual emotion on port even though it’s deeply muddled

[pastel vale]

hes like "these mfs are gonna traffic these women arent they"

[pastel vale]

i think after the events with the triad and then the attack in public, i think the chief and the therapist begin to recognize patterns

[bold oasis]

But the importance is that he stays with his humanity. Is USIA has their way, judge would actively be defending the port from D-platoon raids

[pastel vale]

which is why the psych evals are laying around about judge

[bold oasis]

YES! The watchers are starting to actually get concerned that he might also be a “””failed experiment””””

[pastel vale]

i dont think the chief knows

i think hes just as in the dark as everyone else

[bold oasis]

I’ve heard rumors he may or may not know. At worst he’s deep in it, at best he’s being used

[pastel vale]

but then again, after the bank / mayor building attack, the chief up and disappears and the cops even say so too

[bold oasis]

Also keep an eye on C.O.A.S.T from what I’ve heard as well lolol

[pastel vale]

they are like "he left in a hurry, no one has seen him"

[bold oasis]

LOL totally normally things to do when ur city is under martial law

[pastel vale]

no they just complain about c.o.a.s.t basically being MIA

[iron frost]

What have you heard

[bold oasis]

That they might’ve helped to supply and store the gas and extra weapons/equipment for the attacks

There’s an interesting convo u can listen to near the training area on the lower level of HQ

[pastel vale]

or maybe they were robbed blindly by crazy schizos with guns

[bold oasis]

LSPD could’ve unknowingly been a staging ground for the recent attacks

[bold oasis]

Maybe maybe 🤔

[pastel vale]

anyways, all this schizoposting has made me tired, goodnight

still tho, look over the video i dropped in here, the gg man just basically disappears

hes like a phantom haunting judge

[sharp raptor]

I reckon the next DLC might feature a different character for players to control. As we know, Judge has been targeted. He’s likely to go missing or leave the job.

[pastel vale]

Maybe

Or they will probably, after the mess of the riots clean up, they will put him on leave

To investigate him

[iron frost]

Or maybe he'll have people within the LSPD itself pulling for him

[pastel vale]

Or higher

Remember, he was directly planted into the LSPD as a commander out of mere random

Not just any commander but a SWAT commander

[iron frost]

Like his SWAT teammates bought him a gift, and that detective handed over the files she was making about him along with a nice note

[iron frost]

Correct

[iron frost]

Going back to this, I guess I meant he'll have "normal" people within the LSPD supporting him. I always thought from the briefings etc that Judge was sorta alienated within the PD

[delicate shoal]

true....

[coarse oriole]

Is that North Hills?

How did he get that?

[nova niche]

If I remember correctly, the Chief's office on his desk.

[coarse oriole]

Not there

Also is that the same file that we found the mayor's hidden room?

[frozen trench]

RoN is heavily inspired by Robocop. Just instead of cyborg and a corporation, it is USIA and MKultra. Judge is the only likely successful soldier from the USIA program while all the others failed, went mad and created the MLO. Like in Robocop where they cannot replicate and attempts at Robocop 2 fail. Judge is SWAT Alex Murphy in the good ending, and Tyler Durden in the bad ending from fight club basically.

[echo cave]

I have a theory that I personally think is a big stretch but I'm just gonna say it anyway.

I noticed a certain pattern with how TOC communicates with Judge. Any time Judge reports back in, wether its a suspect down or captured, or simply an objective met, the reply is always the same "format" if you will.

"Roger that entry team, conttinue with your mission"

Either im geeked out, or The last line is what spooks me out the most. In most of the TOC replies, this is paraphrased or outright repeated after acknowledging Judge first. Some lines of TOC dont have the last line of "continue with the mission", so I may be just tripping. I do believe most of TOC's replies end with that trigger phrase though

So, what does all this mean? I believe that, along with knowing Judge was programmed or brainwashed within the USIA's MLO program, that continue with your mission may be a trigger phrase used by TOC to keep judge in line. This theory is very common with the CIA's brainwashing/ mind control program, MK-Ultra where they utilized a repetitive trigger phrase to keep the subject's brain in line, respondent and obedient to the brainwashers.

This trigger phrase, not only being adjacent to MKultra (RON's MLo pmuch) is also heavily emphasized in Call of Duty Black ops Cold War, where the main character (Bell) is brainwashed by the CIA, in which they always repeated to him another trigger phrase of his own, we've got a job to do, or similar. It is rarely paraphrased, but even then it works.

All of this may be a stretch it may be just reused voice lines, and it doesent solve anything new honestly. But, I think trigger phrases in manipulation and mind control is essential if you wanna keep the subject useful to you and not straying away from your domination over his mind. In COD BOCW, Bell also makes the relevation of finding out hes been brain washed by the CIA (USIA equivelant).

Small evidence https://youtube.com/shorts/GxgUiTeVmXA?si=mKSihl-UMbDH33Pz

[hybrid leaf]

here's a brightened version if anyone needs it

doesn't look to deep, just a photo from either a level or the station

[frozen trench]

There is a letter of resignation from the Chief you can find at the station as one of the "breadcrumb" evidence.

[pastel vale]

I see more of Judge Dredd than robocop

[pastel vale]

Bro just gave up, I would too

[dusty prawn]

so what is this alternate reality game whats it about

[worn walrus]

It was abandoned a while ago, we just talk about lore here

[delicate shoal]

ill have to dig it up but theres a file on judge where a doctor (im assuming benjamin green) says that judge "operates like a machine waiting for input", which might be why TOC is constantly like "continue with your mission"
no doubt he was made this way from the USIA's program, but its moreso adding onto what you said

idk im not the best at explaining things

[copper elbow]

Something I noticed with the FISA TOC is that if you make an arrest TOC will say something like “Roger entry team. Federal oversight acknowledges your precision.”

This echoes the MLO TOC saying things like “Your bindings are so precise, do you ever wonder why that comes so naturally?”

That’s all paraphrased but there is a definite parallel or echo there I appreciated.

[cold vale]

whats sepulchre

[delicate shoal]

used to be the arg name but the arg was abandoned so we just talk bout lore

[thorn atlas]

ngl i thought it was judge in that frame

[delicate shoal]

there is a similar looking photo in his apartment

[thorn atlas]

huh could be his mentor?

[cold vale]

i see

[delicate shoal]

possibly
-# heres the photo for reference

[thorn atlas]

damn david looks so done with everything

[cold vale]

FAST whats the difference between peq15 laser pointer and laser pointer

[delicate shoal]

i mean if this is post-chicago nightclub incident, you cant really blame him for it

[somber ginkgo]

Wrong channel bud, go to general/ron discussion

[thorn atlas]

speaking bout the ARG i saw an ARG surrounding about the king in yellow

[delicate shoal]

theres like a billion of those, you gotta clarify which one

[thorn atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3etBshjMY&t=433s

[delicate shoal]

oooh wait i gotta watch that later

[thorn atlas]

its good ngl

[obtuse geyser]

am i going crazy or is evidence suddenly just appearing in different locations now in the station?

Sydney Reed's report isnt at her desk anymore

[hazy igloo]

If the report is about her inquiry about Judge's USIA and Police career, it's on a chair in the Detective room

[frozen trench]

They rotate, not all evidence spawns at the same time. Not sure what causes the layout change but my guess is previous boiling point mission you did

[remote linden]

https://youtu.be/645GCWTsVu4?si=fC_XPWMq0IqYf8vq

Don’t know if somebody posted this already, but new BP voice lines dropped for judge… could probably help in more lore maybe?

I mean, you guys probably could’ve just found this yourselves in the game files, but I guess this is for somebody who doesn’t want to do all that?

[delicate shoal]

also fun to just put on in the background as noise too

[remote linden]

Yuh I guess

I don’t know how helpful these are gonna be as you guys probably heard a bunch of it already in the game, but I think there’s like a few new bus lines maybe

[echo cave]

yeyess indeed

[echo cave]

this was crazy

genuinely twisted my brain inside oit

[cerulean steeple]

is it that bad? i watched the vid but i clicked off at the warning

[worn walrus]

There’s 2 configurations I’ve found.
The first one has a cross made of 2 wood batons near the SWAT changing room and the other has a hand with a Mariposa Lily in it near the entrance of the evidence locker

[bitter heath]

What is that thing in the box of the MLO belongings? It just looks like a bracelet. Why would that make officers uneasy?

[worn walrus]

Wait where is that?

Never seen anything like that

[delicate shoal]

id say the photos of judge that were with the MLO terrorist* is what made them uneasy

that or the godhead depictions/varying cult-like memorabilia

[worn walrus]

Where is this box?

[bitter heath]

It's evidence for A New America, not sure what grade you need to get that one

Also, here's something: Victor Cordova announces the construction of the Cordova building. He vanishes and is found dead in Colombia 10ish years later around 1992-1993. The Cayman shell company buys it the same year, 1992 under suspicious terms and paperwork. Which is notarized by the future mayor, Vincente Echeverria.

Then, Marcus Fletcher, architect of the Elysian, apparently drowned on a boating trip.

We got two architects/designers of MLO significant buildings who later died suspiciously.

So the pieces for A New America could have been put in motion in the early 90's. It seems the mayor could have been with the MLO, most likely as a pawn. He notarizes some suspicious paperwork. Many years later, he becomes mayor, most likely through shady means, which is backed up by his election being a desperate, last-ditch special election. The city declines (I'm now going to say intentionally, probably at the direction and guidance of the MLO), which gives the MLO the environment to grow and become the threat they have been. That's probably why he was in the building; he wanted to try to hide his involvement or ties with the MLO. That's probably what the "unfinished business" was; it would also explain the hidden room.

[obtuse geyser]

Thanks!

[thorn atlas]

is it just me or judges voice is kinda soothing

[delicate shoal]

YOU GET ME OH MY GOD

[kindred wigeon]

i get a different vibe from his voice LMFAO

[delicate shoal]

sometimes when i need to focus i just put judge's voiceline compilations in the background cause its like a podcast except i dont want to focus on what theyre talking about

[thorn atlas]

okay okay when he aint screaming all the time his fucking voice is just peak at normal volumes

[kindred wigeon]

not what i meant

i get a OTHER vibe from his voice

[delicate shoal]

elaborate on other

[kindred wigeon]

im good

[delicate shoal]

Ohhhh.

yeah i get that too

[kindred wigeon]

LMFAO

[thorn atlas]

ayo T T

i get ya g

[devout dagger]

Have you heard mcbain?

[shrewd yarrow]

found this piece in the station

[pastel vale]

After going over all my “evidence” in game, voice lines, etc. I think this is semi right

[pastel vale]

I think the green gloves guy is for sure a mental concept of “breaking the chains” as a mental contingency. “If a man comes to you in your dreams, don’t accept his offer.” Definitely correlates my theory, he’s for sure not real but is the embodiment of BTC, and that’s why judge sees him in the cell when he “joins” the MLO and when he sees him outside the apartment before being replaced by a homeless woman. Judge’s contingency is failing and the MLO are getting what they wanted, and so is Gerrard.

Judge is finally waking up

[shrewd yarrow]

i honestly starting to think this is an end arc for the original storyline and a start into a new

[pastel vale]

Rogue judge story?

Maybe after the events of BP, he gets put on leave to be investigated

[shrewd yarrow]

that's a good question

[pastel vale]

This is just telling me the bank deserved to be ransacked

[shrewd yarrow]

🤣

found this in the basement

[pastel vale]

What about that building is so important that they had a whole ass painting in that room

Was it the meeting spot hidden inside the wall? Is there a texture or piece of evidence we’re missing?

[shrewd yarrow]

maybe?

idk

found this one in the memaria

[echo cave]

do you think it we gave this to gpt it can tell us whats written

[shrewd yarrow]

probably not?

"property of unity trust"

[echo cave]

i got chatgpt to do it i think its accurate

[OBSERVATION FILE – EXCERPT]
SUBJ: BEAUMONT, DAVID (“CALLSIGN: JUDGE”)
Behavioral/Operational Profile
PROVENANCE: Secured observation suite
(Interview/Briefing Wing, adj.)
Legacy audio patch into interview A/V &
briefing corridor.
STATUS: ACTIVE FILE
I. Materials on Recovery
Reel tapes & cassette dubs; ceiling-mic patch maps; transcript cards with time codes.
Hall camera stills used only to timestamp presence near monitored rooms.
II. Service Chronology (condensed)
Military enlistment – multiple deployments.
Chicago SWAT – 2017 nightclub catastrophe; unit losses; subject sole survivor.
Nevada, Reno Police Department – [REDACTED] – transfer out.
LSPD D-Platoon – rapid elevation in rank; promoted to commander running point in high-tempo operations.
III. Audio Response Patterns (from tapes/transcripts)
Key phrases in briefings/interviews: “Hold.” “Confirm.” “For order.” “Major.” “Eyes.” “Adam.” correlate with reduced reply latency and compliance-first framing.
Prosody shifts: voice lowers, pace tightens when outside or non-affiliated authority joins room; pushback decreases when amongst similarly minded individuals or affiliates. Subject displays low trust threshold.
Topic triggers: Any mention of Nevada tenure, relationships with subject’s 2017 incident, yield hesitation/deferral; fluency resumes after interview change.
Exchange control: subject ends talks earlier under local command; extends when directives cite sealed warrants / external custody.
IV. Cross-System Notes
Marginal references to external “Health/Readiness” telemetry. No local biometric capture in this suite; any vitals appear forwarded from off-site systems. Source not disclosed.
V. Handling Guidance (partial)
Utility: high for time-critical entries; decisive execution.
Risk: susceptible to authority framing in jurisdictional overlap.
Directive: maintain indirect contact only; route influence via command proxies and procedural key language.

[shrewd yarrow]

sounds about right

[echo cave]

the bank, no?

[shrewd yarrow]

yep

[echo cave]

COMMAND PROXIES AND PROCEDURAL KEY LANGUAGE

aka trigger phrases i fucking knew it

[echo cave]

this guy was tortured to death for 3-4 hours, n judging they found him in 213 then it can be related to the spider?

[shrewd yarrow]

possible

poor guy 🙁

[brazen sluice]

we are getting no where

[somber ginkgo]

Where y’all even find all these, I only found a few of these

[echo cave]

s tier on levels

[somber ginkgo]

I have every S rank, you mean they add more?

[echo cave]

on all DLCs?

[somber ginkgo]

Yes

[echo cave]

thats wierd, you should be getting popups when you come close to the archive shelves

theres certain boxes you can and cant access

[somber ginkgo]

Ik

[echo cave]

the colored ones are what you can access

[somber ginkgo]

Ik

But I didn’t see for example burned dismembered hand or jade box

And as I see, there much more

[echo cave]

huh thats wierd, maybe you missed them in the room?

[somber ginkgo]

Maybe

Gonna check when back home

[echo cave]

or maybe youre not meant to find the truth

the USIA strikes again

[shrewd yarrow]

these are actually scatted around the station in single player mode

tho i noticed in commander as you progress through levels they change

[echo cave]

o

[echo cave]

@somber ginkgo ^

[somber ginkgo]

Oooh, that’s cool, gonna check on my new save file then, there should be a lot

[shrewd yarrow]

np!

[sharp raptor]

So was it the spider who told Los Locos to dig that tunnel?

[mental dock]

I saw these, when I S ranked ANA they got replaced with more stuff like Reed asking FISA for more info on Judge, eulogy for Lucia Torres, etc., and I haven’t seen anybody post those so I was wondering if I did something wrong

[copper elbow]

I thought it was pretty neat to see how at least one of the dead civilians on Pier are in the surrender pose after exposure to the gas. I didn’t know it was a story element at the time but the woman in the arcade caught my attention because it was so odd to see

[iron frost]

he doesn't like "E" lol

man i gotta give the station another run through, i only found the embedded bug in the wall evidence piece, not the doc describing the listening room

cool how it's mentioned in this section

[coarse oriole]

Where to find that?

[devout dagger]

Does anyone know how the spider is related to green dragon?

If at all?

And do we have an explanation for sins of the father? Its obvious it was a green dragon place from the painting which also confirm with new America green dragon has been around pulling the strings since the colonization of north America but why would green dragon if it was them, want to frame the left behind? Because the suspects on sins of the father dont sound like, look like, or use the same weapons as the left behind and it doesn't fit their MO from what i see throughout the level

[iron frost]

The suspects on sins of the father are USSS agents who sympathize with the left behind and their cause and have defected

[copper elbow]

Here’s a rant I wasn’t really sure where else to put but maybe it’ll resonate with some folks.

I love the game and the aesthetics of it, but it’s getting hard to care about the direction.

I feel like the game universe is basically “take every kind of cool idea and throw it in and crank it up to 11” which is cool but comes dangerously close to being desensitizing because the ante is always getting upped.

Like every single little breadcrumb just leads to a world that is even more magical and horrendous than the last. Any forward motion on the plot just feels like “hey here’s ANOTHER cabal and the ground is even MORE haunted than you thought!”

I feel like every little piece of world building is either a direct reminder that everything is shit, or is a nice thing that exists to be used as contrast to underscore how shit everything is.

FWIW, I grew up on SWAT 3. I love this genre and RoN does a lot of great stuff but I’m struggling to engage with the world because it just has so much going on

Not trying to be a party pooper, but gosh it’s a lot

[devout dagger]

But why do they attack a green dragon society place? Just a random terror attack?

[iron frost]

No, read the briefing

[devout dagger]

So its just likely the senator is in the green dragon society

[iron frost]

Game direction is def that everything needs to be fully explained and fleshed out. Older games like the swat series were ok with leaving things to be unknown

[devout dagger]

This was a massive lore update and i think we're getting more for sure with future updates with how void is looking

[iron frost]

Unsure

[devout dagger]

Apparently the suspects are sleeper agents in the secret service. If he's not then he's being manipulated by the green dragon to make actions they want done

[iron frost]

They are part of a sleeper cell, not sleeper agents

Eh same same

[iron frost]

Like what actions?

[devout dagger]

I would assume sleeper agents are in sleeper cells

[devout dagger]

He's the one pissing off the left behind no?

[iron frost]

Idk I guess I thought you meant sleeper agents in the traditional sense of dudes who are mindwashed and are activated by certain phrases etc

[iron frost]

But to what end

[devout dagger]

The wiki probably just means inside men in the secret service sympathetic to the left behind

[iron frost]

that is what i said

hmm

[devout dagger]

To want end are MLO leveling an entire street🤷‍♂️

[iron frost]

NWO stuff

you watch fight club?

[devout dagger]

The movie? Yeah I've seen it

[copper elbow]

Sleeper agents aren’t necessarily brainwashed. The Manchurian Candidate-style ones sure but that’s basically a Hollywood thing. There are plenty of real ones who are just long term deep cover types

[devout dagger]

Yeah thats exactly the type in sins of the father

[iron frost]

remember the ending

blowing up the buildings

[devout dagger]

Its been faaar too long i only remember bits and pieces of the movie

[iron frost]

MLO i think are all about disrupting social order, causing a revolution, changing who's in charge through violent means

[copper elbow]

I feel like theres a lot of room there too for recruitment after they’ve already joined the secret service as well

It’s always interesting to try and draw the academic line between a sleeper agent and a mole and all these other things

[iron frost]

however, they are just like judge in that they are probably being manipulated by something higher

[copper elbow]

I’ve got Kim Philby on the brain

[iron frost]

agree

cambridge five mentioned

[devout dagger]

Is MLO not made by green dragon?

Well it was made by judge under green dragon

[iron frost]

what?

the USIA made the MLO

[somber ginkgo]

USIA experiments subjects escaped and created MLO

[iron frost]

yer

MLO became a thing due to their flawed programming

[shrewd yarrow]

Front enterence left side of the main desk. In commander mode

[shrewd yarrow]

Its highly possible

[frozen trench]

Spiral is instant True Detective S1 reference. Also just replayed pier and in the prank call there is the weird dude chanting MLO things holding a spiral totem... So damn detonator guy was there at the beach it seems.

"curled sharp object"

Also I checked Judge's mail he says he needs to read and interesting finds:

Gun Club, nothing weird

Then one from Chicago... interesting considering he was Chicago PD. There is dirt but you can see it says Chicago and David on the recipent.

Lastly, stuff from the White House

Definitely not an asset flip here, considering to previous other two letters.

[pastel vale]

Does anyone have any theories on Judges wife? I’m currently working on my own

[shrewd yarrow]

Kidnapped by the USIA or maybe the MLO.

[pastel vale]

I think more of.. worse..

And i don’t have a lot of evidence but it kinda makes sense a lil bit so

[shrewd yarrow]

Murdered?

[pastel vale]

The reaction at the port makes me think even worse

[delicate shoal]

im considering that she was a USIA plant to get him to go to nevada

because there was a voiceline where he mentioned that elizabeth said something alongthe lines of "nevada would be good for him" (not direct quote) and then when he returned, she was completeley gone

in some possibly unused voicelines he also talks about how it was 'mission complete' for elizabeth and how he was 'just another script to her'

[pastel vale]

Was he a cop before she disappeared or no

Because if so, then it would throw my theory out the window

[shrewd yarrow]

He was part of chicago PD in 2017

[delicate shoal]

yep

[pastel vale]

idk

i just kinda have this feeling she wasnt a plant but something extremely bad happened to her

maybe thats why he got so sensitive seeing those women in the container, maybe hit a bit close to home for him..

[shrewd yarrow]

Like what?

Oh! I see

[pastel vale]

yeah.. its a stretch

[delicate shoal]

oh

yeah thats a major stretch

[shrewd yarrow]

Its a strech but its possible

[pastel vale]

why that container? why that port? what ticked him off

[delicate shoal]

plus, if that did happen to her, why did he say that she just dissappeared without a trace?

[shrewd yarrow]

Injustice from fisa

[pastel vale]

he watched children get stuffed in barrels in volls house

[pastel vale]

was it really injustice? i mean - it makes sense for them to want to shut the container to keep them from the rain and such, and so they cant run and get into fire but

[delicate shoal]

it was injustice

they didnt tell him to just shut the container, they told him specifically to not intervene as it was a federal investigation

[pastel vale]

i see

yeah.. i guess it was a stretch then

[delicate shoal]

they wouldnt have been able to move if judge had detained them either way

its also why judge harbors a grudge towards federal agents

[pastel vale]

i think judge just hates corrupted officers

sound familiar?

:3

[delicate shoal]

no but then again i often forget things

:3

[pastel vale]

people had a theory originally the concept of mlo was to be a branch of non-corruptable plants

but then, they noticed the people making them were corrupted

sorry, *mind-controlled, robotic non-corruptable officers

[delicate shoal]

true 🤔

that also adds a nice paralell between judge and the MLO

[pastel vale]

judge is more professional, inept emotionally yes, but still has a gentle side

[shrewd yarrow]

"CLOSE! THE! DOOR! If you dont want mess with a federal investigation, i suggest you close the door and do you do your job"

[pastel vale]

he still cares a bit, deep inside, but his "programming" makes him feel a bit robotic

[pastel vale]

i was too busy getting shot to near death by a spanish-screaming smuggler that i did not have time to notice this interaction

but i did notice the "we'll talk later" from judge after it

which is a bit ominous and kind of aura

[delicate shoal]

id say gentle isnt exactly the right word but moreso human
hes been altered to be robotic, hell even dr. greens eval on him says hes like a machine waiting for input, but when he's not following orders hes significantly more human

[pastel vale]

when hes not on the clock, hes a different mf fr

as his average dude apartment shows

[delicate shoal]

get a ps5 in that thing and its r/malelivingspaces material

[shrewd yarrow]

Yeah, fisa commander basicly ordered him to close the door not to protect them but for another and used his federal authority to command him.

[pastel vale]

if we can get a rogue judge dlc for a bit where he investigates stuff it would be so cool

[pastel vale]

yeah, i like the theory fisa is in on the smuggling or smth relating to it

because you cannot tell me this has gone unnoticed for several years 😭

[delicate shoal]

yeah theyre most likely in on it

[pastel vale]

u cannot tell me that judge uncovers this fucking mess and everyone immediately scrambles to fix it

i also had a question

[delicate shoal]

👀

[pastel vale]

wasnt it a bit weird how professional toc sounded during the cadorva mission with fisa oversight than the one in port hokan mission

more... like- dictionarical

using big fucking words toc and fisa arent use to

[shrewd yarrow]

Better the text for fisa.... is red.

[pastel vale]

yeah

how it turned red during that entire encounter was so fucking cool

and such a very neat detail

[shrewd yarrow]

Meaning in judges mind thats an enemy

[pastel vale]

yesz

[delicate shoal]

a similar thing happens with the man in green gloves but inverse

[pastel vale]

like a turret detecting a enemy

[pastel vale]

i feel like the green gloves guy is definitely a mental construct for sure

[delicate shoal]

originally he views the man in green gloves as an enemy, but after agreeing, the text turns blue

[pastel vale]

because comparing each ending you get, the green gloves guy comes in out of no where, and even the MLO warn judge originally about it. "If you see a man come to you, don't accept his offer."

and then when hes outside judges apartment, when the trash truck drives by it literally has him be replaced with a homeless woman

1 - The prison ending probably isn't canon but how would judge know who the green gloves guy is if he wasn't directly programmed into him

because he has no idea who he is when he shows up in the prison cell

[delicate shoal]

i read that as metal construct and got REALLY confused

[pastel vale]

😭

metal sonic head ass

go my automaton

[iron frost]

im ngl i thought it was just AI scripting

[pastel vale]

maybe

[burnt fog]

I spent 2 and a half weeks animating the Green Gloves monologue. It’s canon in my mind 😂 (not sure about anyone else).

[pastel vale]

im curious

what hints can you give us on the green gloves guy, also it is an honor to talk with you, legend ❤️

[burnt fog]

I would do a disservice to your guys amazing and fun detective work if I said anything. And won’t. But thank you.

[pastel vale]

Ofc, I understand

god speed, and thank you ❤️

[shrewd yarrow]

some days while doing arg stuff i like detecive phelps from L.A Noire 🤣

[dire charm]

L.A noire was one of my favorite games

[shrewd yarrow]

L.A Noire was really kool!

or another game fairly decent detective game The Sinking City, Charles Reed

[pastel vale]

Linch

What do you think or who do you think GG man is

[shrewd yarrow]

hard to say

he could be USIA

i don't think he's MLO

it's also possible he's another faction entirely

maybe Green Dragon

or Spider

@pastel vale

[twilit vapor]

Has anyone been in the secret room in the Mayor's Office?

[shrewd yarrow]

yes

[twilit vapor]

Is the ARG Canon?

Sorry, I'm kinda new to this channel

[shrewd yarrow]

it kinda is it's more lore that happenes outside of game

[calm lake]

What’s green dragon?

Haven’t heard about it in game

[shrewd yarrow]

Green Dragon Society

their actually the people who made the hotel

in sins of the father

[calm lake]

interesting

I like that theory

[shrewd yarrow]

there's not a lot on them in game, but their probably a group of interest

[sharp raptor]

This map is also the scariest. The background music and sound effects are absolutely eerie.

[shrewd yarrow]

^ found this in the basement

"property of the USIA"

[somber ginkgo]

Yeah it’s from that secret room

That we could see with wand

[shrewd yarrow]

yeah

near the listening room

[somber ginkgo]

Apparently, Judge and Detective Sydney are somehow connected

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[radiant sonnet]

In all honesty, I'm gonna lean on the idea that the RON devs are influenced by True Detective season 1 and that maybe one of his daughters passed away, and his wife just split up with him

[coarse oriole]

So I guess the next update or DLC we'll be getting a new chief?

[muted latch]

It's interesting that Judge mentions his wife but not any children
I think his wife was a plant, or at least Judge thinks so

[brazen sluice]

its not signed yet

[dusty prawn]

how do you even get into the evidence room

its locked for me

[radiant sonnet]

Gotta go in commander mode

True singleplayer

[dusty prawn]

oh

is there a lore reason for that

[radiant sonnet]

Yea its closed in multiplayer

[radiant sonnet]

Yep

Evidence is purely lore

And im pretty sure u unlock evidence by completing missions, u dont get them all from the start

[dusty prawn]

oh cooool

[pastel vale]

Darn

[pastel vale]

maybe she knows smth about him we dont, maybe she actually understands him better than anyone else and actually thinks he isnt a danger to people like how the chief or the psychologist thought

[floral nest]

What if the man with green gloves is the therapist

[iron frost]

lol

[floral nest]

I have a really weird feeling abt it

[delicate shoal]

just based off the sihloutes we can tell theyre not the same people

unless they were able to heavily modify their bodies it just wouldnt be reasonable

[floral nest]

I mean maybe but he talks like how the therapist does though unless its someone close trying to break judge from his programming

[lime inlet]

Hes like the Gman of RoN

[floral nest]

I mean the therapist is a usia plant most people in the ststion are right

[wintry shadow]

Is there a doc with a summary of the pre-release Carcosa thing from 2018 or 2019 or whenever it was

[radiant sonnet]

“Shane Please Shut Up” probably has one

on Youtube

[floral spoke]

but the therapist and green glove guys are clearly two different characters like green gloves looks like a asian dude and the therapist is a old white dude lol

[floral nest]

The therapist is a usia plant so i feel like the green glove guy is someone close that knows alot abt judge due to the therapist files or maybe the other usia agents in the station since we know that from elaine raskin and gerard scott that judge is being watched

[floral spoke]

so is usia the ones responsible for the mlo?

i haven’t really been into the lore tell this new dlc

[floral nest]

The mlo were the lsd experiments the first cohort attacked the dam in the 60s or 70s the second cohort is what were dealing with in boiling point same as los navagantes del caos and black sentinel

Judge is gamma one or the third cohort reason why elaine raskin and gerard scott went crazy and quit the usia

Basically with judge being an mlo experiment is why they know so much in a new america and say david and brother stuff like that not to mention youre being watched by the usia through the ststion hence the therapist and then maybe a few cops

[wraith notch]

Have any of you seen the burnt dismembered hand on the table next to the evidence locker stairs?

or judges doc file and his file in the chiefs office?

I swear every time I restart my game evidence goes missing and others replace it around the PD

[worn walrus]

There are two configurations. Idk what determines which configuration is spawned.

[shrewd yarrow]

My guess depends on your progression?

[wintry shadow]

Seems to be totally random

Just found a pile of notes from Reed outside the interview room I don't think were there on a couple of previous times

[drowsy rivet]

I saw this yea

Did you see the folder of the chief's resignation?

[wraith notch]

Yessir

[echo cave]

poor chief alvarez

[wraith notch]

wym wasnt he bent?

[drowsy rivet]

Apparently he's leaving to better the department

[echo cave]

not to my knowledge actually idk

i didnt know he was resigning till now

[wraith notch]

there was a IA investigation

[drowsy rivet]

I saw the paper like 3 days ago

[echo cave]

on the department's uniformed officers, no?

[wraith notch]

yeah 3 got caught then the resigns aint that a little sus?

[drowsy rivet]

Did anybody else see that paper in the shootiing range and it was like "Dear officer g-something- you're late on your mortgage by 3 months"

[wraith notch]

yeah i seen that

[echo cave]

mayhaps mayhaps, i see where ur coming from

[drowsy rivet]

Thought that shit was sad lowk

[wraith notch]

dudes losing his house

shit is pretty sad

[echo cave]

only goes to show how shit everyoen has it in los suenos

[drowsy rivet]

I imagine LS is like New York, costs $400,000 for 1 week in a 1x1 inch cardboard box

[echo cave]

wether if youve got a job or not youre barely alive

[drowsy rivet]

Did you see the whole lore with the trash bags and the LS Waste Services going on strike

[echo cave]

yeah

[drowsy rivet]

On every single map that has an exterior theres litter and trash EVERYWHERE

Hell even the hospital and the club

[wraith notch]

yeah and the remember the viet family they owed $200k+ for medical bills

[drowsy rivet]

Yes EOTE

[wraith notch]

I thought it was just couldnt remember

[drowsy rivet]

Was what

[echo cave]

imo, theres no way a state in america would be doing this ass with all the corruption+ruthless drug and trafficking rings, its one of the reasons i believe Los Seunos is a 'testing ground' for the USIA's programs and agenda

[wraith notch]

Oh yeah

and thers definitly involvement from FISA

I cannot spell rn

[drowsy rivet]

I don't know shit about USIA lore ill be honest. All I know is that the MLO is a terrorist organization because they were experimented on by the USIA without their explicit consent and they went paramilitary and fucking shot up the pier, robbed a bank and blew up the entire city (if you used the detonator)

[wraith notch]

basically the MLO are a "child" to USIA becuase they were ment to be sleeper agents and went rouge Im pretty sure

shit has to do with MK ultra

[echo cave]

theyre meant to be the "robocops" of the USIA, essentially

[drowsy rivet]

yea

[echo cave]

just do shit when asked with brutal effeciency, think judge S ranking

[wraith notch]

Shane shut up has some good videos on it

[wintry shadow]

Failed LSD-addled MKUltra supersoldier/supercop experiments abandoned by the feds

So now they're mad

[echo cave]

abandoned? i dont think so

[wraith notch]

were they abandoned by them tho? I think they more likely turned

[echo cave]

id say the first cordon was, defenitely, and some members of the second

[wraith notch]

cohort

[echo cave]

wait whats a cordon

[wraith notch]

idk what a cordon is lmao

[wintry shadow]

I got the impression the CIA dumped them when the first few attempts didn't work out

[echo cave]

mb im tweaking 😭

[wintry shadow]

Either way they're turned

[echo cave]

i doubt theyd stop, judge is a great success still being monitored

[wintry shadow]

No the experiment is still totally going

But all the MLO trying to burn the city down are rogue

Rather the MLO as a whole are rogue versions of an ongoing experiment

All their ranting about "false fathers" makes me think they were left behind by the feds, but maybe they just broke and turned

[echo cave]

i actually dont know if the MLO is rogue or still part of the USIA's plan

[wraith notch]

Im pretty sure in the RoN universe Mk ultra worked and so USIA planted these people into position's in the goverment and so they were the "First Cohort" and then the agents went rouge creating MLO

[wintry shadow]

I was under the impression they were anti-USIA, but throwing a whole city into anarchy might just be what the USIA wants

[wraith notch]

or something along that line

[echo cave]

thats the problem, you never really know how many steps forwards these guys are

[wintry shadow]

Yeah I wasn't totally sure if they were planted by the USIA or if they found their way into positions of power after going rogue. Maybe a bit of both

[wraith notch]

I think the MLO want to turn the city into chaos so they could rebuild from the ashes or remold the chaos

[wintry shadow]

We know the first cohort was presumably rogue as of 1990

[wraith notch]

or somthing along that line

[wintry shadow]

Unless the dam attack was USIA-orchestrated

[wraith notch]

nah that was definitly MLO

[echo cave]

remold the chaos was shane's leading argument, too much chaos = pressure on the president to make a police (militarized) state even more than it already is

taking in singeplayer's insane customizability even when compared to multiplayer's much more options, the police is already well funded when it comes to gear, advanced vests of light to heavy ranges, as well as uniforms tier2 operatives use

all the funding goes into the gear we put on so why not keep some to give for the cops on payroll? 🤔🤔

[wraith notch]

and also they just got a comp spec 2011 and a G18c

which the prior is a very expense choice for swat

[echo cave]

issued to 5+ man teams to fight crime of all kinds btw^

we responded to a GAS STATION robbery ffs

[wraith notch]

yeah dawg like😭

shits nuts

[wintry shadow]

And cosplayed as Coast Guard/SEALs on an oilrig

And the city is still a hell on earth

No wonder everyone is pissed

[wraith notch]

well Coast is the RoN verison of the Coast guard

[echo cave]

we're literairly HRT, SEALs, SWAT, DEA,

what else

[wintry shadow]

BORTAC

[echo cave]

fucking bortac 😭

[wintry shadow]

Marshals based on the drip

Probably other stuff

[wraith notch]

FBI HRT

[echo cave]

what's DEA's strike team?

[wraith notch]

I forget

might aswell be the USPS swat team too

[drowsy rivet]

FISA**

[wraith notch]

true

[echo cave]

SRT / TDS theyre called

[wintry shadow]

They drive Hellcats

[echo cave]

tho they also do joint raids, n thats called OCDETF

[echo cave]

me n the guys pulling up to the USIA

[wraith notch]

I bet lmao they probably confiscate a lot of em

[wintry shadow]

Roll up in Florida Highway Patrol's Corvette C8 just to get schwacked by MLO with an RPG

[wraith notch]

105 shell sitting in the middle of the road waiting for you

[echo cave]

the guys in 219 park homes were los locos right?

[wintry shadow]

Speaking of cars blowing up, I wonder if the governor's car was rigged to blow or if it was an IED

[wraith notch]

which one twisted nerve or the other?

[wintry shadow]

Twisted Nerve, Stolen Valor, or Narcos

Cuz they're all in 213 Park

[wraith notch]

the google ai response

[echo cave]

google ai works for usia

[drowsy rivet]

its name is gemini. kinda gay that they gave bots a name

cant have an identity if it doesnt have a conscience

[echo cave]

na but i think this answers his question pretty well, EPU/DPS protect governors and is assisted by GRS, all under cia's wing

[drowsy rivet]

yea

[echo cave]

gotta humanize ai somehow

[wraith notch]

hell nah

fuck them clankers

dehumanize that shi

[echo cave]

ong

[wraith notch]

I found this next to the evidence locker stairs

[echo cave]

so a hand with the MLO's logo seemingly reaching outwords even with cut fingers

[wintry shadow]

Yeah found that yesterday

This shit was creepy

I wonder if it's new

[echo cave]

more dismembered shit with MLO..

[remote linden]

So who are the guys who are robbing the bank?

[wraith notch]

MLO

and the pirates

[remote linden]

Isn’t it black sentinel?

[wraith notch]

they're a proxy

[wintry shadow]

Think the randos in the lobby are just rioters

[remote linden]

Oh yeah, I know, but black sentinel mercenaries are robbing the bank or whatever?

[wintry shadow]

With guns

[remote linden]

I’m talking about the armed gunman that we mainly fight

[wintry shadow]

Yeah Black Sentinel

Sent by MLO to do some shit or other

[wraith notch]

yeah black sentinel are raiding the bank to cause chaos for MLO

[remote linden]

Ah yeah

[remote linden]

https://youtu.be/252EErcCVNw?si=ljm7a0D5W99ISwsJ

I’m not sure if this is new already, but Black Sentinel’s bank voice lines are currently on YouTube… don’t know if you guys can find some sort of use out of this

[wraith notch]

also here's this for those who haven't found it

hopefully yall can read ts

[wintry shadow]

Couple more MLO-adjacent things from the station

[wraith notch]

oh yeah reed is deep into this shit

[sharp raptor]

The only place where ‘Los Locos’ actually appear is in Narcos,the drug lab was funded by them. The other group is the 213 Hill Rollers.

[wraith notch]

ball knower

[wintry shadow]

Yeah I was asking him which mission set in 213 Park he was talking about

But yeah you right

[wraith notch]

can you get into the vault on the 2nd mission in the new dlc?

[wintry shadow]

Yes

[wraith notch]

bet

[wraith notch]

dont tell me how lmao me and my homie had it half way figured out yestersay lol

[sharp raptor]

The description of Los Locos in the art book is quite striking. They essentially carried out a large-scale abduction and massacre of the city’s senior officials and law enforcement officers.

[wraith notch]

Jesus

[wintry shadow]

🫡

[echo cave]

all really

[wintry shadow]

Pretty on point for cartels

[echo cave]

ohh

[wintry shadow]

Twisted Nerve is random crackheads and criminals plus the meth cooks

No direct Los Locos

[echo cave]

but they are tied no?

[wintry shadow]

Stolen Valor is the 213 Hillside gang people and their friends

[wintry shadow]

Yes

Los Locos run them

[echo cave]

remind me rq which map this is

[sharp raptor]

It is rumoured that Los Locos operate a tightly-knit criminal network, constantly monitoring the activities of its various members to prevent any overlap. Moreover, the full extent of their criminal network remains unknown to this day.

[echo cave]

doesent spider run los locos?

[wintry shadow]

They're business partners, but I think Spider is specifically the human trafficking network

[wintry shadow]

Anti-police guy kidnaps and tortures rookie cop to death, you go get his ass and his gangbanger friends

In a big apartment building

[echo cave]

i think ive seen heard shane connect them all together

[echo cave]

ah the creepy american anthem mission

[wintry shadow]

Nah that's Sins of the Father, I thought

[echo cave]

hotel if im not wrong

[wintry shadow]

This one was added in the Los Suenos Stories update

[echo cave]

o wait im still getting it mixed up

[wintry shadow]

So kinda DLC but also kinda not

Since it was free

[sharp raptor]

The Los Locos criminal network consists of intelligence operatives and field agents, and is so tightly organised that even the USIA has had to issue a warrant for their arrest

[echo cave]

basement had the torture area right

[wintry shadow]

https://ready-or-not.fandom.com/wiki/Stolen_Valor

Yeah

[echo cave]

goddamn

[wintry shadow]

Inside what I'm pretty sure was a weed lab

[echo cave]

the geek room

[echo cave]

if im not wrong i heard shane connectint the spider to los locos via amos voll?

[wintry shadow]

Spider provides kids to Amos Voll
Los Locos provide everyone drugs
Tran Brothers sell everyone guns
Russian mafia works with Spider to traffic guns, cars, and people

I think they're all connected

Mindjot hosts their shit

Etc etc

Nearly everyone and everything from the base game missions ties together in some way

Carriers of the Vine hunt Spider and Amos Voll's ring to kill them

And kidnapped/killed a Mindjot employee

Carriers of the Vine led by ex-USIA agent Elaine Raskin

Raskin worked with Gerard Scott, mr crazy shirtcocking bomb man

Also ex-USIA

Both were involved in the Mariposa Lily project

[sharp raptor]

It is worth noting that the Russian mafia is also quite formidable; most of its members are ex KGB agents and ex politicians.

[wintry shadow]

Only ones I'm not sure there's a direct link to are the Left Behind militia

[drowsy rivet]

Yeah the Left Behind are just vets who are angry that they lost their funding to an already under-supported veterans support thing

[wintry shadow]

Actually, come to think of it, the S rank evidence for Ides of March implies a FISA or USIA link to them

[sharp raptor]

The funny thing is, the car shop really does have Los Locos

[wintry shadow]

Mentions someone slipped them intel on how to ambush Senator Fremont's convoy if the sniper attack failed

Also a photo of a bunch of guys in front of a USIA building

[sharp raptor]

Yes, but I reckon the car dealership is mainly a place where Los Locos and the Russian mafia deal in arms and drugs, with the trafficking of women to the port being just a side business.

[echo cave]

n what do these guys do

[wintry shadow]

Think they're the physical representation of the Spider network, cuz they're all over the Port Hokan mission

[sharp raptor]

Los Locos were definitely involved in human trafficking. And that tunnel may well have been used by them for human trafficking.

[sharp raptor]

He believes that Miguel’s repeated stints in prison may be linked to Los Locos. Although he didn’t explicitly state whether Miguel was a member of the cartel, I think this is highly likely; perhaps he was part of Los Locos’s legitimate business operations, using them as a cover for his true identity.

[sharp raptor]

In the art book, the Russian Mafia collaborates with Los Locos in exchange for the smuggling of black-market firearms. The Spider Organisation simply requires the Russian Mafia and Los Locos to supply them with goods.

[wintry shadow]

Ah

[sharp raptor]

VOID should sell this art book as a standalone product. It contains a lot of things you won’t be aware of.

[wintry shadow]

That would be nice

[amber holly]

yeah nah

[sharp raptor]

I have a theory: I reckon Los Locos know the city’s origins and some of its secrets. That tunnel seems to be connected to the supernatural and the occult.

What’s more, in the 213 park house they’ve funded, you might also find that Los Locos seem to have taken a keen interest in the city’s sewer system

[amber holly]

Yes theres MLO / Butterfly symbols on Coyote + the random white eyes on the cave

[sharp raptor]

That’s true, but I think most players underestimate Los Locos, believing they have absolutely nothing to do with the main storyline.

[amber holly]

Ehh I mean

I think Los Locos have already been addressed here a good while ago

Because of drug trafficking/smuggling operations to supply...unknown buyers (most likely the spider network or the mlo)

the whole 4L1 compound (the chemical used in the pier attacks + records building) has been smuggled by the cartels as well afaik

which funnily enough has correlation with irl events

(the CIA using cartels to smuggle stuff for them)

[remote linden]

hi deli

[amber holly]

hi

[sharp raptor]

Los Navigantes del Caos – I’m surprised they’re actually working for MLO

[amber holly]

To me it just seems like they've been paid to smuggle wtv thru the border no questions asked tbh

[wintry shadow]

The Intel and other info for No Good Deed implies they got abandoned by the MLO basically as soon as they got the chemical weapons smuggled in

[copper elbow]

Regarding Elizabeth I’d be shocked if she wasn’t a government plant. The USIA and whatever other agencies would need to have someone embedded with him to monitor him and evaluate whether or not he’s suitable. Similar to how the doc is doing now.

Honeypots are a real thing

[echo cave]

so where r we at rn

[floral nest]

Ok for the bank is that los navagantes del caos and black sentinel or just rioters backed by black sentinel

[remote linden]

Black sentinel and those Caribbean Pirates are MLO proxies. The rioters are just random ass dudes taking advantage of the chaos.

[floral nest]

I mean who all has guns is it los navagantes del caos and black sentinel while the rioters have phones and stuff

[remote linden]

Yeah, you’re right

[floral nest]

I feel like were gonna be riot control next dlc

[wintry shadow]

There are rioters with guns in that mission

[brazen sluice]

national guard arrives in the next dlc

[floral nest]

What if there is no national guard

[crude tiger]

❓

who else

[floral nest]

You know what if they get caught up in something and they send someone else

[crude tiger]

they send batman

[floral nest]

Batman in los suenos would be funny

[cinder obsidian]

maybe

[wraith notch]

I'm trying to make a evidence board for the MLO and I feel like a tweaker rn

😭

[wanton adder]

you fent lover

[wanton adder]

i found the first message sent in this channel thats sick

[spark spindle]

What is this channel mean

[wraith notch]

does anyone have the cherryessa farms evidence referencing gamma 1?

[shrewd yarrow]

ARG stands for alternate reality game. Its basicly game lore thats happening outside of the game

[spark spindle]

What do you mean outside of the game? Do you mean like below surface level knowledge? Like MLO and MK Ultra?

[shrewd yarrow]

Pretty much

[spark spindle]

Oooo that’s cool

Nvm off topic

[shrewd yarrow]

Were given clues and sometimes ciphers to decrpty

[spark spindle]

Wait what from Void?

How do you guys communicate with them ?

[shrewd yarrow]

It was ran by the prior community manager for awhile. So yeah pretty much void.

[spark spindle]

Didn’t they get fired?

[shrewd yarrow]

. Example.

[shrewd yarrow]

They did

So the arg i would say is on a temporary hold.

[burnt fog]

Have you guys noticed anything “different” about Doc in the base game?

[shrewd yarrow]

He's in his own office and quieter

Also hello Rob! Wait can i call you that? Or do you prefer Robert?

[burnt fog]

Either is fine 🤓

[shrewd yarrow]

Ok, i just wanted to do check. I know people have their prefrence for names ^_^

[burnt fog]

That’s the DLC

[shrewd yarrow]

I havent check in the 1.0 station in quite awhile

makes a note to look

[spark spindle]

“Different” his appearance?

[spark spindle]

Ohh can you still look at the 1.0 station?

[shrewd yarrow]

If you start a fresh commander mode yes

[spark spindle]

Oh okay

[shrewd yarrow]

Or use a console command

[spark spindle]

Console command?

[shrewd yarrow]

Theres a pc mod that you can use console commands in

[spark spindle]

I have a console this is him now

Old model

[spark spindle]

I can’t say I notice anything different about him

[sharp raptor]

VOID has not published all of its artworks online; many are featured in art books.

It would be great if they sold the art book as a separate product.

[shrewd yarrow]

I am currently at work so i cant really look atm 🙁

[spark spindle]

Oh whattt

[open needle]

I'm unable to look at Doc right now, but considering Robert does animation, I'd would guess that's a good place to start

[shrewd yarrow]

Thats my thought

[pastel vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1089214744495399052/1144946398484250694/SirFletcher.gif

😭😭😭😭

[pastel vale]

Isn’t he only quiet when Judge is around as he and the chief WERE investigating him (I say WERE as the chief is out)

[shrewd yarrow]

oh! doc's left hand and knee moves!

and sometimes his right hand

[burnt fog]

Nailed it bro. I created a new animation for him. Doc’s heard a lot of bad stuff. Wanted to reflect that by giving him a nervous twitch.

[shrewd yarrow]

that's awesome!

well done sir!

[topaz geyser]

Nice touch

I get that same deal myself sometimes

[shrewd yarrow]

it is a very nice touch

and just to double check he does it in the current DLC station aswell

[burnt fog]

First thing I wanted to do was give Doc more life. Subtle but hopefully adds to his character. Good eye!

[shrewd yarrow]

🙂 it 1000% gives more life to him rather him just sitting there just saying his usual lines.

[burnt fog]

Gave some of the other officers new idles as well. We worked to improve the base game alongside the DLC.

[shrewd yarrow]

i noticed the mop guy is moving expect uh there's asmall issue with it

[burnt fog]

Omg yes 😭. I know exactly what you’re saying

[shrewd yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

from a distance it's not noticable

[burnt fog]

We fixed it and then reverted the change to adjust the rig, and I will make sure it’s eventually fixed lol.

[shrewd yarrow]

ok lol

[burnt fog]

I immediately spotted that 😂. Ahhh

[shrewd yarrow]

LOL

[burnt fog]

Game dev is hard lol

[shrewd yarrow]

oh for sure

😂

honestly i think most people don't go looking around the station (unlike me, cause big lore nut)

[burnt fog]

Same. It adds to the whole experience and I’m a perfectionist. Thanks for the reminder.

[shrewd yarrow]

np!

🤣

and yeah it really does, it gives the station more life and story which as someone who has been playing this game since early access needs it

so thank you for giving the station characters more story and life 🙂

[burnt fog]

Yes sir! Want the best for you guys.

[shrewd yarrow]

❤️

[pastel vale]

Robert

You are the goat, love you gang ❤️

[shrewd yarrow]

@pastel vale you see what i am saying

[pastel vale]

Yeah

Small details are the best details

[shrewd yarrow]

mmhm

[pastel vale]

It adds more realism to it, because not everything is there for you in the open, you have to just sit up and look real hard to notice

[shrewd yarrow]

mhmm

[burnt fog]

Aww thanks. Appreciate you

[spark spindle]

I saw him moving but I didn’t know he didn’t do that already

[dusk pilot]

elephant:

• shooters suspiciously heavily armed with body armor, gas masks, bombs, and rifles
• random unnamed shooter not mentioned alongside the main three just like No Good Deed
• one shooter is implied to be very impoverished (MLO was supposedly experimenting on the poor/homeless and mentally ill, which two shooters were)

least obvious USIA false flag

one picture shows the three named shooters come in at the same time and another shows the fourth coming in later after they've gone up the stairs

[lime inlet]

Everything is connected to MLO or Spider

[worn walrus]

I don’t think it depends on anything. For me it’s random whenever I open the game.

[dusk pilot]

btw the science wing is surrounded by a bunch of other buildings that are easier to access so its possible theres some ulterior motive to attack that specific building past vague terrorism

[floral nest]

Where is the therapist he just disappeared

[ocean horizon]

he’s in an office now

[floral nest]

I found him

[lime inlet]

He has an office now!

Finally upgraded the therapist to an office after all the trauma he gets from watching people F rank

[burnt fog]

Doc - "i don't get paid enough for this sh*t"

[bitter heath]

How did MLO convince Los Navegantes to do the pier attack? Everything prior shows them as pirates, not terrorists

[floral nest]

Apparently the mlo originally attacked it then handed it off or something like that is what i heard

If you watch the teaser you hear m14 shots iirc and back in pre 1.0 when carriers of the vine had the mlo the sharpshooters specifically used the m14

[astral snow]

tf is this channel

[shrewd yarrow]

They probably made a deal with them.

[plain imp]

The ARG channel. Currently is the lore channel of this game as this ARG is on the hold by devs themselves.

[shrewd yarrow]

Sounds about right 😂 poor doc

[astral snow]

thank you info man

[remote linden]

Where is Doc at a time like this?

[burnt fog]

Reassessing his life choices. Probably

[desert sapphire]

What’s this channel for?

[remote linden]

It’s still kind of for the Sepulchre ARG but I think nowadays it’s just a general channel if you want to discuss anything relating to the lore of the game relating to the MLO or any deep stuff like that

[desert sapphire]

Ohhhh okay thanks!

[topaz geyser]

[sharp raptor]

I never would have thought the mechanic was Mexican.

[copper hatch]

I have a theory for who the man in the green gloves might be, specifically his occupation in Los Suenos. With potential relation to the LSPD therapist Benjamin Green (possible similar lines of work), there's a possibility that the man in the green gloves could be an influential figure in politics or the medical industry. If it's the latter, he's possibly part of a corporation for therapeutics or a pharmaceutical company. The man in the green gloves speaks with disdain for both the USIA and the MLO, his group might be a major upcoming faction in Los Suenos. This might be a stretch, but the green gloves and green tie could represent his role as an employee or executive of a medical corporation, in a subtle manner. His cadence, his rhetoric is intentionally melodramatic in hopes of reaching David who is losing his mind post-detonation in ANA.

His relation to judge is that he has a fascination for Judge/David's mental resilience. He specifically references Judge's mind, citing metaphors while shedding light on David's role within the USIA along with the organization's products. The man in the green gloves cites the USIA as a group that has "tools unworthy of the material they have no right to possess, let alone access to." In lore, the USIA utilized a series of chemicals to manipulate their agents and subjects. The man in the green gloves is a man with access to this knowledge and information, he knows what the USIA has been doing.

Alternatively, if the man in the green gloves isn't referencing those responsible for creating the "puppets" of the USIA, he could referencing Raskin's group, the MLO and any group with dogmatic beliefs with USIA ties. This could alternatively lend credence to the man in the green gloves being an influential politician instead. The man in the green gloves is well versed, even if he's melodramatic in his explanations to David. If green gloves is an influential politician, he could be a direct member of the cartographers.

[dusk pilot]

i feel like green gloves might have been a reference to True Detective Season 1 (which this game definitely took inspiration from)

[copper hatch]

Also a possibility too, hence the mentions of "Carcosa" in the ARG

[dusk pilot]

they had the green eared spaghetti monster there they just changed it to be some G-man type figure and changed it from ears to gloves

[copper hatch]

Never thought of it like that

[dusk pilot]

thats where my mind went to

the games got some very obvious parallels that are honestly very on the nose so its not like its much of a stretch

[sharp raptor]

Yeah, that’s a mysterious Chinese bloke

Green Dragon Society should be composed of Japanese and Chinese members

[dusk pilot]

wouldnt be surprised if they looked at these exact images when making judges room

[pastel vale]

The pier attacks were a plan used by the MLO to cause riots, wearing police gear and staging a terrorist attack?

And the name you hear shouted during the riot outside of the police station is the name of the event coordinator, the woman who was shot

[calm lake]

Something interesting I found on the Hide & Seek mission.

if you flank around and assault the auction area fast enough, you can see this interesting thing.

The man leans in and turns off the camera, showing the spider logo.

[sharp raptor]

The Mafia and the Cartel have failed to protect the Spider Organisation’s assets and may face punishment

[pastel vale]

This dlc has to be inspired by true detective right?

[somber ginkgo]

Everyone knows for a while

[strange jolt]

so is the original arg kinda done now that the mlo have made an official appearance?

[mossy flicker]

Someone remind me. Who are The Cartographers?

[native cedar]

That happens every time you enter that room, don't have to do it quickly to see it. Happens on all the laptops there

[tranquil geode]

im certain void took a lot of inspo from true detective, from the run down medusa cult to the yellow king/carcosa references and even a little nod to rust i believe it seems that they are big fans of the series!

[frozen trench]

The whole game is even sinse the first ARG. And even the studio name is named after the last episode of S1.

[dusk pilot]

theres two images from the arg that imply theyre connected i just didnt see them

pretty sure elephant was like a precursor to the mlo attacks or something to related to the poison gas (hence why these four oddly well armed shooters with a vague motive decided to specifically attack the science wing in the middle of campus)

pretty sure the only none wider lore connected level is like the very first one

[worn walrus]

Regarding the Green Dragon Society, the Cordova Family may have had some ties to them, knowingly or not.

[runic moat]

I didn’t know there was an arg for this game but I generally love this kind of thing, would anyone mind catching me up to where it’s at and what the general gist of it is?

[somber ginkgo]

Check pinned messages

[topaz geyser]

While I understand you are trying to be helpful, this server is not the place to discuss such matters of that group of people. Do not do it again.

[runic moat]

Didn’t see much from it van u link me to it please?

[shrewd yarrow]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t5p5kZNz_RxjQq10YZIZUkOrwfy1inxgU3BHPnD68Uk/edit?usp=drivesdk or https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mraLxzMsXWFkj8G_x4z4Xzf7BVlXaCjv1x_WnM9UrRI/edit?usp=sharing @runic moat

[desert sun]

Guys I have a theory, we all know the city of Los Suenos is based off of Los Angeles but as I did some thinking and looking I couldn’t help but notice the frequent references to the real life Los Angeles, as one of my screenshots shows a shirt that has a band touring around the country. Has Los Angeles on it three times. but something else you will notice is that this shirt was from 1992 we know ready or not takes place around 2025 through 2027 you will also see how the map from the mission elephant also shows all of the real life California cities, including Los Angeles. You will also notice San Diego is present. in the end, this all means that not only can Los Suenos not be its own city, but this is also not a counterpart for Los Angeles or San Diego. And due to the extremely similar seal and map layout I believe Los Suenos actually is Los Angeles. I believe sometime in the late 1990’s or early 2000’s for an undisclosed reason the city was re named to Los Suenos.

[lusty glacier]

They can co-exist

The Musuem in A New America shows that Los suenos has existed for awhile, with stuff saying Los suenos dates back a long time

[shrewd yarrow]

Not understanding your theory here.

[desert sun]

My thought was just that the city was re named at some point and that was the reason for the similarities and the references.

I also figured that maybe it was just mistakes by the developers but I figured I would try to make a fun theory out of it.

[shrewd yarrow]

No, the city in game was always Los Suenos, they just used LA/San Diego as a base

[desert sun]

Yea

[topaz geyser]

I am 99% certain that the poster on Elephant you showed is a store bought asset and they didn’t correct it

As for the shirt? Probably the same as a bought texture, or it was intended to not be visible

[copper elbow]

Heard

[copper elbow]

Thinking about the ANA endings, im pretty sure the bad one is canon. Because if the good one is canon, it means Judge committed multiple felonies leaving his front door wide open with NFA items laying out unsecured

[delicate shoal]

something that piqued my interest is that the achievement for Sranking all boiling point missions is called 'Nosce Te Ipsum', which translates roughly to "know yourself"

[abstract dew]

Can someone educate me on this ARG?

[hybrid leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5X00UFAb4 this is sorta it

[abstract dew]

You a real one brotha

[hybrid leaf]

no prob

[radiant sonnet]

Alright so i joined to give my discovery on something. I see that other people have talked about this a lil bit so forgive me if this has already been completely covered

I believe that H Lincoln, the swat-officer that is heavily commemorated at the station, is 100% the guy behind the situation at city hall in A New America. Theres no way that he isnt. The display case at the station tells us that Lincoln was the powerhouse who stopped an exact same type of situation from unfolding at City hall already. Meaning that he would be someone that would have the know-how to execute that plan.

But last night, me and my buddy were attempting the mission, and when we came across the guy with the voice-changer that keeps talking sh%t on our comms, we noticed he had an M14 - and not just any M14, the exact one on display at the station used by H Lincoln

[austere jolt]

Nice to meet you. Is this the spot for deep discussions and breakdowns?🤔

[faint edge]

his voice would match the age if this is the case, although im not sure whether theres any further information available regarding Lincoln's character or what happened to him after LSPD

are you talking about the flowerhead or a different person? the details of his kit and placement of things could say a lot if theyre similar to the era he was an operator in

[shrewd yarrow]

sooooooo i decided to take a listen to the LSN broadcast in Tower and.... and uh i guess governor whitfield (who was trying to get elected in Dark Waters, and who appears who has won in boiling point) was on his to the city and uh.... his vehicle exploded..... governor whitfield.... is dead.

[radiant sonnet]

bro i dont know, someone in general chat told me this was the place for this stuff. Oddly enough he was just as passive aggressive... Is this normal behavior in this server? Lmao

[radiant sonnet]

Honestly, im not sure. Flowerhead could be the guy, or could be the guy im talking about, im not sure yet if multiple people talk with voice changers. All i know is that the guy me and my buddy killed was armored differently than other suspects on that mission, and he had that rifle, and we heard him talking from the other room (before we engaged him) and he was talking with a voice changer, so he sounded exactly like the guy who hijacks your comms. So really, all this just depends on whether or not Flowerhead is the guy talking on the comms or if its any of the other suspects using the voice changer, etc

[somber ginkgo]

My guy couldn’t catch a break 😭

[pastel vale]

Anything new?

[pastel vale]

Wait wasn’t he the one who

Nearly got assassinated at the beginning of dark waters by the UPF?

Also why is no one mentioning rhe UPF being definitely or somewhat involved

[shrewd yarrow]

Its possible the UPF killed him nothing is 100% tho

[pastel vale]

i mean involved with the MLO

as (i dont know if it was a model reuse or not) but there is one of the rig suspects in the cadorva

[exotic tundra]

• Sets one foot into Los Suenos
• Explodes
  Yeah that tracks.

[vestal light]

from what ive played of A New America, the MLO operator on comms and Flower Boy are different people. TOC continues chatting after you cuff FB and deactivate FB's vest, and FB sounds a little different than both standard operators and the TOC hijacker.

And also it might be likely H Lincoln is either Flower Boy or the TOC hijacker, but i suspect that if he was FB then the LSPD would have unmasked him and discovered that. But at the same time, maybe FISA had jurisdiction over the crime scene and perps after the dust settled.
So imo if Lincoln is involved and not just a SWAT 3 reference, then he's the hijacker. If he used to be LSPD, he may be versed with operating comms, and that includes intercepting if need be. And something tells me that he didn't retire - but was forced out by the USIA for the trials that led to either the first or second cohort. After what he did in LS, saving the city from a nuclear makeover, that ought have garnered some attention from people higher up the food chain, people who wanna make super soldiers.
But that also raises a question: what is FB's relation to Judge? Why are his effects to important?

also according to newspapers in Home, the MLO's canon name is now the 'Mariposa Lily Order'.

[plush tulip]

oh, not organization
weird

[radiant sonnet]

the Elysian was a USIA blacksite; when we went to the Elysian, we were playing into the USIA's hands by stopping the deal, where they were trading the fake serum for chemical 4L1

Very clearly something about property management and the USIA are linked

Someone needs to correlate the list of known MLO/USIA plants/test-subjects to current suspects and characters of interest in the story

It would really help with our findings

[iron frost]

he's a LEO so he's mostly exempt from safe storage laws

[vestal light]

so does this imply that Judge S-ranking all missions is canonical, including the Home ending?

[delicate shoal]

id assume so, yeah

[vestal light]

so have there been any additions to the actual ARG since BP?

or did it all lead up to BP and now were just in limbo till the next ARG details drop

[exotic bane]

probally wont change timeline too much but
blahaj exists
that means ikea exists

ikea is cannon in all universes

[vestal light]

omg
it was right there
VOID wanted us to see it
its all connected, the next DLC will be entirely within an IKEA

[exotic bane]

lmao 😭

js shitpostin rn

[lime inlet]

The Key to the ARG is a Blahaj, cause the Spider is all rich underworld connections and furrys are usually mysterious and rich

Furry's fund everything in RoN, both sides are controlled by the furrys