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[bitter mason]

Hold on sir please refrain from blowing my shit smoov off while I check the chamber of my handgun

[rocky plover]

[bitter mason]

I'm gonna be real going back to difficulty
I think it was a huge mistake for void to add difficulties, literally just a way to have an excuse when people complain about the shit ai
"Oh so you're finding it too hard just play on a lower difficulty "

If they made the ai actually good, difficulty options would be the next step

[lost inlet]

that's what i've been doing, hard is just bullshit cause.

it's just better to play standard if you want the best experience.

or casual if you wanna roleplay as SWAT irl.

[rocky plover]

Yeah hard is the least realistic from all 3

[bitter mason]

Yeah
It also annoys me because it gives more reasons for masochists to yell "skill issue" when you criticise the suspect behaviours

[rocky plover]

Yea

[tacit gull]

I cant balance this one difficulty for the game there's just so much variables
oh i know i'll just add 3 extra more that i cant balance

[bitter mason]

Masterful gambit sir

[lost inlet]

"it never not be funny to me seeing new players immediately jumping into hard mode and expected john wick experience but instead getting one of the most anti-players bots in gaming."
i should have this quote save somewhere so i can use it again and again.

[bitter mason]

Lmao

Don't get me started on people playing for le epic John wick experience

[tacit gull]

genuienly the only thing that did for the game

i dont understand anybody that thought that difficulty select was gonna be this amazing thing for the game

[bitter mason]

People can play how they like but the devs need to really stop trying to appeal to the cag larpers

[tacit gull]

its not even high effort appeal since the customization system sucks

[lost inlet]

just do SWAT 4's way, allowing you do all kind of adjustment to your gameplay.

it's not like it's unethical of them to do so, they already did it numerous of times before.

[bitter mason]

Mods should be what turns the game into a murder sim
Not the other way around

[tacit gull]

you dont get it

it's supposed to be a tribute to all of the officers out in the field

(while also being completely disrespectful to the player) [fuck]

[bitter mason]

Those brave brave officers o7

[lost inlet]

definition of identity crisis. Stuck in between being a game and a real life simulator of SWAT.

[bitter mason]

I wouldn't even say real life simulator of swat

[tacit gull]

its supposed to be a tribute to people who lost someone in a shooting 😔 (after waiting 3 minutes for the shooters to get warmed up)

[bitter mason]

Id say stuck between swat 4/3 and rainbow six

[tacit gull]

except it managed to misunderstand every single feature in either game

[bitter mason]

[tacit gull]

yeah we have this map screen

you can draw on it

what? make it functional? are you fucking stupid?

yeah we have this ai that can throw grenades into rooms

what? make the grenades cover the entire room because you cant tell the ai where to throw them? are you fucking stupid?

yeah we have this suspect armor system
what? make the armor visible so the player can get visual feedback on how an enemy will react to getting hit? give them specialist equipment so not every single tool used against them acts the same? are you fucking stupid?

[bitter mason]

[tacit gull]

just constant insult to player intelligence

we have theese MASSIVE fuckoff briefings

give info about the suspects? situation? armament? what to look for?

no bitch here's a wiki article about a corpse somewhere on the level

have fun

[bitter mason]

Here's a briefing screen with info on suspect and civilians
Chatgpt write me an in depth character profile with no useful information

[lost inlet]

[rocky plover]

Good thing I never even listened to a briefing

Completely useless

[tacit gull]

they are WORTHLESS

[lost inlet]

never beating the allegation of using AI for than just random ass paintings.

[rocky plover]

And Idgaf about lore tbh

[bitter mason]

They're fine in the vanilla levels but don't provide that much useful info
The dlc ones have just become more and more of a waffle fest

[tacit gull]

swat 4 gave you a full rundown of the situation with times of action, when swat mobilized, what went wrong, how the suspects got in that situation

[lost inlet]

certified written by an emo 14 years old after watching 12 hours of red pill content.

[tacit gull]

clear, concise descriptions of suspects

[bitter mason]

The boiling point ones are like 7+ minutes long of worthless chatgpt filled waffle

[tacit gull]

genuienly this too

oh oh so much lore but its all SO fucking shoddily written why even BOTHER looking into it

[lost inlet]

mod, give me gif perm so i can send my lol gifs.

[rocky plover]

I mean I'm serious I don't really care bout the lore that much

[tacit gull]

dm one over

[bitter mason]

Don't forget how most of the time suspect info actually lined up with the suspects in the level

[tacit gull]

suspects with armor but they're poorly trained?

they panic on the mission?

[lost inlet]

i will try that later on.

[tacit gull]

no fucking way

[bitter mason]

So many of the briefings on Ron just dont even line up with the mission

[tacit gull]

and you know why that is right?

or atleast

[bitter mason]

[tacit gull]

my opinion on it being like that is

[rocky plover]

But it's funny how many actually love the lore

[tacit gull]

it leaves it open so they can fuck around with the suspect parameters without actually having to commit to anything

so the game just feels half assed (because it entirely is)

[lost inlet]

it's edgy and "reflected real life shit SWAT has to encounters".

[bitter mason]

But its even like the first level has three named suspects with pictures and none of them are actual unique npcs and one never even spawns on the level

[tacit gull]

me when i bust the local pedo ring every friday

[distant rose]

aight thnx

[rocky plover]

👍

[tacit gull]

you should check out the dates on valley not lining up AT ALL

[lost inlet]

no bro, more half of the stuff in RoN are not being handled by your local SWAT team, it's being handled by the FBI.

[tacit gull]

as in not a single calendar or pc date is even CLOSE to eachother

[tacit gull]

me when i take out domestic terrorists and detonate a building every monday

mondays am i right

nothing like a burger from a diner

[lost inlet]

it's a good day that i'm on my break day instead of having to solo a terrorist army that is about to create a second 9/11.

[tacit gull]

yuuup just took down this human trafficking ring, its just a normal thursday for me you know

[lost inlet]

same shit different day ahh.

[bitter mason]

Yeah the date order is just dumb

If commander mode didn't already make no sense

[tacit gull]

no bro it adds so much lore

that was one of the craziest takes i saw the other day

commander mode is so good because it adds so much lore

[bitter mason]

You see neon tomb was actually the first thing to happen and its uh yknow one of the last few levels in the game

[rocky plover]

Bruh it's literally quick play with traits

🤣🤣🤣

[bitter mason]

Its like super cool to be out of chronological order
We love Tarentino

[lost inlet]

it has lore cause you started off somewhere randomly in the station instead of the usual front door.

[tacit gull]

and no restart button because that's too hawd 😭 its so hawd to save progress in between restarts 😭 you have to watch the shitty ui animation our intern worked on 😭 😭 😭 😭

[rocky plover]

I suggested to make commander mode chronological for the sake of being different than quickplay and would actually make sense from a campaign perspective but some dude just said but it would be much harder since some hard maps would be in the beginning

[bitter mason]

The lore of judge and his team of time travelling mentally unstable goons

[rocky plover]

Hahahaha this as well

[lost inlet]

you meant to tell me that the first thing that Judge do when entering the station is putting on his SWAT gear then go on his day as a officer?

[tacit gull]

YOU KNOW the writer thought he was kojima or tarantino

[lost inlet]

yeah, he's really is a crazy ass.

[bitter mason]

[lost inlet]

no wonder why his wife left him.

[tacit gull]

the my wife left me plotline got more entertainment out of me than the entire lore

[bitter mason]

Remember the scrapped crime.net style commander mode they were planning lol
Lmao even

[lost inlet]

the fucking what?

[rocky plover]

Payday moment

[lost inlet]

shit must have so dogwater, i don't even remember it lol.

[rocky plover]

[bitter mason]

Commander mode was going to have some payday style crime net mission select

[tacit gull]

wait is that real

[bitter mason]

With officers going on patrol and some more in depth team management

[rocky plover]

Lol first time I'm hearing this

[bitter mason]

They brought it up on an old qna with kaminski

[tacit gull]

yeah i dont

remember that one

it honestly sounds like a gamemode

and not dried up sludgy shit thrown on top of the game

genuienly just minimum effort dogass

[rocky plover]

At first I thought you were referring to the map we had when we selected missions

Instead of the list we have now

[tacit gull]

i mean im guessing it was gonna use that

[rocky plover]

Probably

[tacit gull]

Imagine a gamemode with missions like crime boss where you have petty calls and tiny jobs and the missions are the BIG boy stuff

a roguelike mode would have been cool

if a bit gamey

[lost inlet]

ohh like being actual SWAT, the main selling point of RoN?

[tacit gull]

lmao

[lost inlet]

[bitter mason]

It was the whole thing with commander mode they just scrapped
I didn't understand how it would properly work when they first mentioned it and I still dont get how theyd do it

[tacit gull]

It would also help dilute the constant relentless assault of just atrocity after atrocity bombarding the player and desensitizing to the point where it doesnt mean anything

[vestal cliff]

That kind of mode would be cool

[bitter mason]

What i do remember they said
There'd be a map where there'd be call up missions that randomly appear. Between missions you'd have officers on patrol duty and random events that can change who is available. Their example is an officer could get suspended for "breaking a kids arm or something"

[tacit gull]

ohh yeah

[bitter mason]

No clue how the story would have played out

[tacit gull]

OHHH YEAHHh

[vestal cliff]

Say, what's the best assault rifle in this game?

[tacit gull]

THE CUSTOMIZATION SYSTEM WAS SUPPOSED TO TIE INTO THAT

[lost inlet]

ARN-180.

[bitter mason]

Lmao

[lost inlet]

shiii i remember that now.

[tacit gull]

you'd have officers on call that come up in regular attire because they couldnt get their uniforms on

what a fucking dissapointment

[lost inlet]

turns out you're supposed to use your imagination and set up the scenario by yourself.

[bitter mason]

I never really cared much for that idea of commander mode tbh I just wanted a clear story. We got neither so lmao

[bitter mason]

Just imagine there's perimeter teams and civilian onlookers and literally anyone else in the city apart from the entry team and the suspects

[tacit gull]

Atleast if that was added it wouldn't have actively lowered the quality of the game

[lost inlet]

still can't fucking believe that they removed that part out of gas station.

[bitter mason]

Yeah lmao
But i was young and naive back then

I didn't expect 1.0 to come any time soon lmao

[tacit gull]

remember when quickplay was named training

[bitter mason]

Lol lmao

[tacit gull]

like they deadass were about to make commander THE mode you had to play

[bitter mason]

Then they said commander wasn't the primary gamemode

[tacit gull]

BRO WAIT YEAH

YOU COULDNT PLAY THE DLC IN COMMANDER

THAT WAS FUCKING WIIIILD I ALMOST FORGOT

[rocky plover]

Ye that was added after lol

[tacit gull]

imagine spending 10 bucks on a dlc and you cant even play it on the "main" gamemode of the game

[rocky plover]

After many people were asking for it

[tacit gull]

imagine

payday 2 dlc but you couldn't play it in coop

[rocky plover]

Commander mode was gonna have just the base missions 🤣

[rocky plover]

Hahaha

[lost inlet]

you see, it's for people that can't buys our DLC so the fear of missing out the main contents can't be applies here ahh.

[tacit gull]

Like are we DEADASS gonna put commander mode as THEF FIRST gamemode the player sees and then NOT EVEN ADD THE DLC TO IT?

[rocky plover]

Even pressing new game or continue puts you into commander mode without even knowing lol

[tacit gull]

Like yeah i get it its embarrassing to even look at it, i share the sentiment with the devs

BUT YOU PUSHED THAT SHIT TO MAIN BRO

[rocky plover]

Ikr

[tacit gull]

IT AINT EA ANYMORE

[lost inlet]

going 1.0 was such a big mistake.

shit was far from ready.

[rocky plover]

Agree

[bitter mason]

My ass was so suspicious when they announced 1.0 I was so surprised when they announced it
I was excited to see some of the changes but the fact they didn't give any hint of suspect ai changes gave it away

[tacit gull]

boy update? what boy update?

[lost inlet]

people that is not part of the loop will just looks at the game as a finished and polished product but instead, they got EA type of contents.

[tacit gull]

they actually got below ea since content in ea was generally higher quality

which is a wild fucking statement to make

[lost inlet]

still scratching my head why tf did they just remodeled the underground station, then just scrapped it away and replaced it with the current one.

[tacit gull]

The station was always gonna get remodeled, the underground you saw in ea was essentially a repurposed fraction of a quarter of what the station looked like

there was a MASSIVE shoothouse out above in the train station

you had offices, auditoriums

bathrooms, the whole lot

[lost inlet]

yeah and they could just put that into use and put it under the current station.

[tacit gull]

some of the assets are reused from that

like for example i think the current shooting range reuses that shoothouse location

[lost inlet]

ohhh.

[tacit gull]

there was this foxtrot19 guy on youtube that explored it in its entirety but for some reason he jus nuked his entire youtube of ron

lots of amazing old shit lost to that

including some amazing foghorn and unused menu tracks

not even present in the supporter soundtrack

(why zack)

[lost inlet]

bro got assassinated by void for leaking out of bounds.

[tacit gull]

nah im pretty sure it was of his own volition, he said something about not platforming void cause they use unpaid labour or some shit

i dont know anything about that

[lost inlet]

damm.

[bitter mason]

Bot*

[tacit gull]

chatgpt update

[bitter mason]

Real

[barren crescent]

Is there a way to remove judge's face mask in singleplayer?

[tacit gull]

he doesn't have one

[barren crescent]

he does in mine chief

[tacit gull]

well then you modified your game

[dire nacelle]

I forgot all the doors were double swing and tried to close one with my body and got blasted when i accidentslly entered the room

[civic fiber]

you mean the ballistic mask?

[patent edge]

yeah just go into the helmet section and switch to the helmet

i think that excludes the face mask

[barren crescent]

No a face mask. Might be a mod but he has a pull over balaclava

[zinc lantern]

That’s a mod

[dire nacelle]

Why the fuck does the ai keep flashbanging themselves

[tacit gull]

some developer thought it would be funny

[bitter mason]

devs thought the team ai "Wasnt dumb enough" so they made them stupider for fair and balanced gameplay

[tacit gull]

i'm sure they can tell me all about the fair and balanced gameplay

[lost inlet]

completely realistic of SWAT to flashed themselves btw.

[fleet frigate]

Probably a "if we can't see them, they can't see us" mentality

[gaunt nebula]

I just got issued unauthorized use of force for killing a suspect who had a hostage. They were standing right in front of me with no time to react. How does that make sense? What else was I supposed to do? 🤣

Shot him square in the face and the hostage lived. Nice, or so I thought 😛

[solemn patio]

I want a P320 so bad

I dont care about the shit surrounding it I wanna larp as an army or marine boy

[gaunt nebula]

ROE seem really relaxed these days. I can shoot suspects from across a room without them even knowing I'm there and never get penalized. But saving a hostage is against ROE now? 🤷‍♀️

[azure crown]

Need to say something

[vague horizon]

how to enable text when people r talking*

[warm talon]

I think it's depends on the mission because on greased palms, I get penalised for shooting across the map but the narcos I can shoot them from wherever even if they do not hear me coming

[azure crown]

STOP to obligate people let the lockpick gun for the quick release (RB/LB) and let the people choose,example for the taser

[sudden thorn]

You can shoot the fake doctors in relapse before they even pull out a weapon and you get no penalty it’s funny

[gaunt nebula]

Hmmm, this was on Stolen Valor. First door on the left after going in the main entrance. Immediately turn left and there's another room; the suspect was standing in the doorway with a hostage. Popped him in the head. Penalized. Doesn't seem right to me.

[gaunt nebula]

LOL, good to know

[sudden thorn]

I’ve shot too many of them immediately after they run up to me and I think I’ve fucked up the rank only for no penalty to come

[warm talon]

I've played that mission like 5x and I've never had someone held hostage there. But I was playing super sneakily. I was crouch walking for the entire mission.

[fleet frigate]

Yeah stolen valor penalised me for shooting a suspect with a gun on his hip, clearly not a civie

[gaunt nebula]

Yeah it seems rare that that happens. I'd made a shit ton of noise in the main entrance though because suspects just kept running out with their guns/knives out and had to put them down. Then the suspect inside took a hostage. It felt great taking him down and saving the hostage; that happens so rarely. But then TOC told me to watch my shooting or something

[warm talon]

I go by a phase "do stupid things, win stupid prizes" I hate the civilians who rush you when you killed all suspects and they were the last one but they charge you so U kind of freak and pop them in the head.

Like who would charge a person with a rifle or shotgun. Not smart at all

[gaunt nebula]

Somebody who's scared out of their mind/hopped up on drugs who maybe doesn't trust the cops to do their job properly; just spitballing really. I don't know what I'd do in that situation in real life but from a gameplay perspective it does seem pretty damn stupid.

[rocky rover]

Oh yes. So i can both quick use tazer AND a grenade when needed

[warm talon]

It happened when I tried s ranking the pier map. I forgot the name of it

[tacit gull]

You might have grazed the hostage

Especially since it wasn't unauthorised deadly use of force, highly likely you hit the hostage's shoulder or something

[gaunt nebula]

Maybe, and maybe it was unauthorised deadly use of force. I can't remember. It didn't look like I injured the hostage at all though.

[tacit gull]

Of course i wouldn't completely rule out ai states being broken and that being an issue because hostage taking is FUCKED

[gaunt nebula]

All of the AI is still fucked tbh

[warm talon]

Honestly I get what U mean now. I had a ai team member shoot at a guy with a hostage but instead of hitting the gunmen, he hit the civ

[tacit gull]

Oh no fully intentional

SWAT ai will shoot THROUGH civilians to kill a hostage taker

[warm talon]

Just why.

Now I see why people sit in a friend's only multiplayer lobby just so they don't have ai teammates.

[tacit gull]

because flagging an enemy to not be shot by swat ai is very hard or something

(i highly doubt it)

They've been okay with leaving it like this for 2 and a half years

[bitter mason]

christ its really kicking off out there

[sweet fractal]

can AI hear VOIP?

ive said get down on the ground while aiming a gun at a suspect/civvie and they actually get down

[split goblet]

prolly idk

if they dont listen to commands i beanbag them in the neck

instead of just shouting more

[tacit gull]

no

[tacit gull]

something something stolen bike something something

[warm talon]

It would be cool

[split goblet]

it’d be cool if we had a higher rile caliber than 762 and creedmor

i wanna shoot big guns

[bitter mason]

how big

[split goblet]

i wanna be loud

[tacit gull]

is 40mm not big enough

[split goblet]

pretty dang big

i wanna put a golf ball sized entry hole through someone (ingame of course)

i feel like that messages gonna get flagged

[split goblet]

nope

[wooden lintel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/7767?tab=description

go commit crime

[modest quartz]

Go get a musket

[woeful dove]

I'm not ready.

[sudden thorn]

Cleared pretty much all of ANA on my own and I bleed out in two seconds after opening the courtroom doors and thinking I had time to nine bang

The bleeding time is so inconsistent

[burnt stream]

we need the rsh 12 revolver

[woeful dove]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/7407?tab=posts (mods pls dont delete this, Ik its a mod post but I'm just responding)

[tranquil oyster]

What is the best DLC to buy?

[woeful dove]

honestly, I think you should buy them in the order they released for story

[tranquil oyster]

Ok, do you own any of them?

[woeful dove]

I bought digital deluxe, so that means I got them alll

I just wish I bought the game when it came out for the first time so I coulda got supporter lolll

I was a kid then though so I coulden't have anyway

[tranquil oyster]

I’m gonna look at them now

[burnt stream]

ty

[floral peak]

They go in order: Home Invasion, Dark Water, Boiling Point

All dlcs have cosmetics that you get when bough

[gritty coyote]

I personally think they are all good. But Boiling Point has the hardest map that everyone is talking about (A new america) so if you want to understand the hype there is that

[floral peak]

Boiling Point imo best dlc yet

[vivid widget]

i have them all and have only begun going through them recently as i got back into the game

was so focused on the main completionist stuff for the base game, the world, the hermit, ruined watch, and i'm too old for this

[woeful dove]

fuck, 2 of my officers died

[winter pendant]

am I the only one who thinks dark waters is the best one

[glass geyser]

Someone pls check #💻tech-support message

🙏

[bitter mason]

clear your mods

[dusty ravine]

Dark waters had some of my favorite missions but felt like a let down lore-wise

[tight quest]

yesss

the best missions tbh

really unique

[bitter mason]

they have interesting ideas but I think execution could be way better as usual

mainly the yacht. The fact the main suspect can order active shooting is interesting but poorly implemented, no voice lines or real believable trigger. it just happens if you dont arrest him

oil rigs story it kinda ass imo
and three letter triad is one of the most terrorist hunt levels in the game which Im not a fan of

[dusty ravine]

I think it’s the best “active shooter” esque level since it gives us a way to prevent the shooting aside from dealing with every suspect

And it allowed the suspect count to be higher to balance it

[bitter mason]

definitely but it really could be better

I had the dude order the active shooting the second before surrendering

[dusty ravine]

My monitor would not survive that

[bitter mason]

and again no voice line or particular "event" that really indicates hes doing it. If he pulled a radio out and had a line ordering his men to open fire it wouldnt be as bad

[woeful dove]

look in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art if u wanna cringe

[bitter mason]

I feel they actually tried they could take it a step further by having a warning he does by getting in contact with the cops telling them to back off.

[dusty ravine]

That would be nice yeah

[woeful dove]

@hardy nimbus good job

[hardy nimbus]

Thanks!

It is hard to me and my heart just can't stop racing fast during "Final Test"

[woeful dove]

😭 my heart was racing just on fucking home invasion

and I didin't S tier, I saved all civvies yes, but fucked up all enemies and also forgot about picking all their bum weapons up

[hardy nimbus]

The 2nd mission of home invasion is really hard to me

Some suspects with dual mag MK18 is crazy

[woeful dove]

it's because It's an open area with windows to shoot out of yeah?

[hardy nimbus]

yes

[woeful dove]

I'm gonna try to do hunger strike on hard with custom hard ai too

[bitter mason]

I wonder if more people have found out you can resupply your loadout on a new america on the top floor

[hardy nimbus]

But still I finished that all Home Invation S rank back to 2024

At that time the M32 Flash Launcher didn't come yet

[woeful dove]

do shotgun dismember still a thing

[hardy nimbus]

Yes thanks god I learned this from reddit.

[bitter mason]

yep

[hardy nimbus]

I almost run out my flash rounds

and my teammates with traits stop those MLO and Black Sentry guys

[bitter mason]

shotguns are super OP because of the dismemberment if you dont care about score

[woeful dove]

welcome back chat, discord fucking SHAT itself

[lean leaf]

real lmao

[gritty coyote]

ok so
shotguns in this game are quite good at range
But the downside of that is that the spread is actually smaller than I expected
I just missed the head of a rushing MLO and got killed for that lol

[quiet tapir]

why does every public lobby just run a new america bruh and no comms is crazy

[gritty coyote]

enjoy the misery

[sharp cairn]

They went on the Clint Smith school of thought

"Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns with the right load at the right range WILL PHYSICALLY RIP A CHUNK OF SHIT OFF THEM AND SPREAD THAT SHIT ALL OVER THE WALL. But it has to be the right load at the right range."

[bitter mason]

except in ready or not the gibbing can activate at really far ranges

[bitter mason]

dont really need to aim for the head with shotguns, use buckshot and body shot, good chance you'll hit their arm and insta gib

[sharp cairn]

Most professionals will recommend a tighter spreading shot anyway. Such as Federal FLITE Control or Hornady TAP. More pellets on the bad guy, less chance of errant pellets hitting something you don't want them to

[naive herald]

Best side arm for missions?

[gritty coyote]

there is a threshold of diminishing return, same as why we don't need spread choke to tighten the in-game shotgun any further

it's already very tight

[fallen osprey]

whatever you like obviously
-# unless you like anything other than the g18c five seven revolver or mk5
-# /j but those are the best probably

[sharp cairn]

Yeah most quality buckshot will handle that, a choke is only necessary if you're doing speciality tasks like breaching

[naive herald]

thanks bro

[hasty hull]

Revolver

[stuck reef]

Hi

[rustic lotus]

hii

[gleaming knoll]

Can mindjot security’s chest plates protect them from 9x99mm?

[hasty hull]

Yes

[gleaming knoll]

Thanks

[dusty ravine]

I use the MK-V but my teammates swear by the g-18c and the big iron

[woeful dove]

it's one or the other amigo

[formal frost]

Do you mean the Colt Python? The Big Iron is a .45 revolver or did they add that and I never noticed

[dusty ravine]

Our team all calls it the big iron, I'm talking about the .357 revolver

[woeful dove]

why tf did mods delete my art piece

[dusty ravine]

Sorry for the confusion

[formal frost]

Oh ok I thought they might of added one

[woeful dove]

@barren crescent ur game looks quite modded to me bub

[lilac halo]

yo what the fuck is 9x99 😭

[woeful dove]

anti tank

[lilac halo]

12.7 is by 99 so yeah actually i guess

[naive herald]

The G-18C is the default pistol when you start the game. But the G18 is good

[lilac halo]

huh?

prettty sure its g19

[formal frost]

Yeah it is

[dusty ravine]

There’s a g-18c and a g-19

The 18c is full auto which is why a lot of people use it

[formal frost]

The G-18C is the Glock with the switch the G-19 is the standard police pistol

[lilac halo]

i swear the g18 is useless on full auto

[dusty ravine]

My buddy swears by it

He only burst fires it making it more controllable

[formal frost]

What you don't like accidentally dumping like 15 rounds into one dude

[dusty ravine]

Completely justified use of force

[lilac halo]

id rather use 300 blk to do that

ddm4 is the best gun in the game because it looks cool and is short imo

[dusty ravine]

Even in semi it’s my favorite 9mm, low recoil and high capacity

[barren crescent]

oh yea I deleted the balaclava mods though

[lilac halo]

i like it in semi ye

[formal frost]

I like the m1911

[woeful dove]

maybe change setup? or delete mod cache

[lilac halo]

i like the a1's performance but i dont like like the a1 so i just replace it with hk45t

[barren crescent]

ok I will try

[dusty ravine]

Good taste, on hard mode I do like .45 acp JHP as a backup over 9mm

[formal frost]

I mainly like it because of metal gear solid

[lilac halo]

45 irl is great

[dusty ravine]

Kept you waiting huh?

[lilac halo]

more fun than 9 and doesnt feel like an airsoft ugn

[gritty coyote]

can anybody explain the mechanics of mirage at sea ? sometimes I arrest the Prince right away but his henchmen still kill hostages. Do I have to kill this prick to stop the kill command

[tidal delta]

18c is just the 19 with more ammo

no reason not to use it

[formal frost]

On all gods burn me and my friend started singing the song then shot the box

[lilac halo]

eh i hate the ported barrel

[formal frost]

No you kinda just have to stop them before they kill people

[lilac halo]

also no suppressor right

[tidal delta]

true

[gritty coyote]

the moment I kill anybody it's like the clock starts ticking and the other henchmen will go around killing people

[lilac halo]

they should allow us to change the slides on the glocks tbh

[lilac halo]

2 minutes start at aft deck

[gritty coyote]

the only times when this doesn't seem to happen is when I kill the prince right away

[tidal delta]

they should add more anything at this point

[lilac halo]

yeah

[dusty ravine]

Arresting him should stop the kill command

[lilac halo]

u got two minutes to arrest or kill him

[dusty ravine]

It did on my second playthrough

[formal frost]

Try all gods burn, you breach the first door boom, TOC is on your ass for letting a hostage be killed

[gritty coyote]

that seems false. I arrested him before killing anybody and his henchmen still go executing hostages

[lilac halo]

he always spawns on second or third floor if u do aft deck and u only have like 2 miutes

[gritty coyote]

saving hostages on all gods burn is easy

[woeful dove]

sorry, you aren't ready

[formal frost]

On what difficulty because I enter front door and the hostages instantly get caught in cross fire

[gritty coyote]

yes I start from the helipad I know that. On one playthrough I beelined and arrested him immediately. His henchmen still execute hostages. That is why I am asking what is the trigger

Hard

[dusty ravine]

Do civilians pick up guns on all god burn? I’ve heard about that but never seen it

[woeful dove]

can we get pepperball gun that looks like a fal but it shoots beanbag rounds

[lilac halo]

ai mods?

[gritty coyote]

no mods

[formal frost]

A beanbag wouldn't possibly be able to fit in a fal

[lilac halo]

they might just take hostages anyway

[woeful dove]

u sure? a 12 gauge can fit in a milled deagle

[lilac halo]

?

[formal frost]

A deagle and a fal are different

[lilac halo]

i mean yea deagle is 50 😭

[formal frost]

A fal has a tiny barrel

[gritty coyote]

yeah I'm guessing that the prince gives a global kill command but the henchmen still execute hostages when they get spooked ig

[lilac halo]

7.62 mm vs 12.7 mm btw

[lilac halo]

idk maybe hard mode increases hostage chance risk?

[woeful dove]

4 gauge beanbag when?

[lilac halo]

when i was grinding all gods burn for the heat is on they took hostages at the beginning a lot more than when i play normal mode so that could be it

[formal frost]

Never😭 it wouldn't do its job effectively😭

[woeful dove]

u sure?

I think kurt would like to tell you about it.

(he didin't use a 4 gauge but still)

why don't we have a stinger launcher?

[lilac halo]

i feel like that would lowkey kinda suck

[woeful dove]

why? stinger be upon ye

[lilac halo]

the amount of times the ai is going to stun you when it launches the grenade and it becomes airburst halfway through the doorway is going to be crazy

[formal frost]

He also didn't use beanbag rounds. 4gauge is inconsistent in its velocity and velocity is the only thing launching the beanbag so bad velocity means it feels like someone missed in Cornhole and lightly hit you

[woeful dove]

holy no shit bro

I would lose my shit if he used a slug lmfao

[formal frost]

If you are low health stingers can kill you is my bet

[woeful dove]

low health issue, become iron man

gonna test out slugs against some gas station perps

they are so fucking cooked

[gleaming knoll]

9×19mm Parabellum?

[lilac halo]

yes bro it is a joke

[gleaming knoll]

Sorry

[tight quartz]

dude discord has been tweaking today has anyone else noticed?

[unkempt granite]

i had 3 dudes on their knees and not even 5 secs later they started getting up

why the FUCK do they do this

[wet chasm]

would they not do this in real life

[unkempt granite]

because i haven't even left them alone for a moment???

[wet chasm]

you don’t need to leave them alone for them to get up

[lilac halo]

truth nuke

[unkempt granite]

i know but five seconds to arrest multiple suspects is insane

[wet chasm]

wants his criminals obedient

[wet chasm]

that’s why we have 4 teammates

[lilac halo]

truth nuke

[unkempt granite]

after i tase them yeah

[unkempt granite]

it's hardmode solo 💔

[wet chasm]

that’s exactly why theyre getting up then bro

would 3 criminals not be able to overwhelm 1 cop

[unkempt granite]

i mean yeah but why do they even try after they got tased and shot with an flash launcher

[gritty coyote]

I recall that the console update downgraded some graphics details to lower the storage size
did that ever change with the most recent DLC update ?

[lilac halo]

cuz they are not dead

[wet chasm]

that’s what we call the indomitable human spirit

[wide scaffold]

Is there a lore explanation how a random dumbass from some terrorist gang just slimed two 12 years of experience SWAT officers in the matter of 3.5 seconds with full steel plated armor and a bulletproof mask?

[distant rose]

what do you guys think is better, the LVAR or MCX?

[lilac halo]

headshots do crazy things to people

[wet chasm]

this happens irl

[lilac halo]

lvar

[distant rose]

bad luck

[wide scaffold]

Not in the matter of 3 seconds while under flashbang effect

[distant rose]

or good luck if you're the terrorist

[lilac halo]

this is false because nobody wears ballistic masks in real life

[wet chasm]

i didn’t mean that

[wide scaffold]

Not to meention they got SA 58 OSW and the portable bfg 10000

[wide scaffold]

Korean soldiers do

[wide scaffold]

Why not tho

[lilac halo]

ok but this is not korean military game

[wet chasm]

the bfg 10000 is stationary not portable

the bfg 9000 is portable

[wide scaffold]

Im talking about the pistol with the 0.50 cal

[lilac halo]

heavy and gets in the way of head movement

[wide scaffold]

How does it even get in the way of head movement

[lilac halo]

limits neck movement

[wet chasm]

refer to it as the 9000

[lilac halo]

also weight is kinda an important factor

[wide scaffold]

Not even bfg 9000 hits as hard as that abomination

[lilac halo]

also inhibits lower peripherals

[wide scaffold]

Well the korean masks do but the one we see in the game? I don't see how it can lower peripherals

[lilac halo]

because

if youre looking down just with your eyes

and there is a large mask about an inch or two in front of you

that covers your lower face

it is going to be harder to detect anything below you

[wide scaffold]

HOW THE FUCK DID MY OFFICER JUST DIE I DIDN'T EVEN WITNESS IT

[lilac halo]

also heavy

heavy=bad

[wide scaffold]

No but can't you like bench press with your lips to train your face

[sudden thorn]

Got the devil tattoo
Don’t know why you have to deliberately get it and it’s not just given to you upon finishing the alt ending

[wide scaffold]

But it could save your life

[sudden thorn]

wasted my time having to do ANA again

[lilac halo]

same thing with low cut helmets but cqb guys dont use those

[wide scaffold]

I genuinely just got one tapped hby some random dumbass with a pistol

Like those suspects are not alat they don't got that good of an aim i swear

[lilac halo]

hard mode?

are you clearing properly

[wide scaffold]

Of course

There's 3 armed uspects clumped in one space i can't do shit about it

[lilac halo]

i mean hard mode is hard mode they have the reaction speed of literally like 0.1 seconds

i think there was a update log that changed it to 0.5

[wide scaffold]

Not even 0.1

It's 50 ms

0.05 since there is 1000 ms in 1 second

[lilac halo]

lmao

[wide scaffold]

That's bullshit

[lilac halo]

thats why i dont play hard mode

[wide scaffold]

I wish i had a dlc they give fire cosmetics

[lilac halo]

just mod

mods have way better cosmetics

[wide scaffold]

No but then i don't get scores

[lilac halo]

yeah u do?

u get scores and achievements

its way better than vanilla

[wide scaffold]

I would not like that

[lilac halo]

i dont think i would even play if there were no mods

[lilac halo]

what 😭

[wide scaffold]

My discord lagged

It sent the message late

[lilac halo]

oh ur good

[wide scaffold]

Wait fr?

[lilac halo]

yes

ill send in screenshots channel rq

[wide scaffold]

Holy shit i've ben missing out

[lilac halo]

yeah bro i guess i deleted all my score screenshots but it just says they arent official whatever that means

i can show some fits tho hold on

[wide scaffold]

Ok

My officer just died from a fucking heart attack

[wide scaffold]

Yeah that looks better than vanilla icl

[lilac halo]

ai mods also dont alter anything

hell u can even cheat the whole game by giving urself infinite ammo and health with some mods but those arent fun at all

and then youlll still get the achievements

i imagine a good percent of the people who did no america solo hard used cheating mods lol

[wide scaffold]

Nah bro if i got the boiling point dlc i'd genuinely slime the fuck out of those suspects on a new america trust

[warm talon]

Probably. Me and my squad barely even makes it past the grand staircase that leads to the 4th floor

[lilac halo]

dm me hold on

[sour scaffold]

this game needs online modes

[lilac halo]

does he know

[warm talon]

probably not

[obtuse sequoia]

Is quick play or commander mode better?

[lilac halo]

i think perks in commander mode are better but i always do quick play cuz i fuck around

pvp just could not work in the game

[unkempt granite]

i was ujst shot down out of nowhere by some solo dude again ughhhh

i was peeking w optiwand but then they decide to rush exactly to the door where i was and shot me down before i could bring out the launcher or taser

[lilac halo]

this has been discussed time and time again it would not make sense

[obtuse sequoia]

hell naw

because it would turn the game into cod and lead to the game losing the plot

then next thing you know, they gonna add drake and cardi b characters

[lilac halo]

what is he talking about

he lost his mind

[obtuse sequoia]

why would you even want pvp

[lilac halo]

its a police game not a war game

[obtuse sequoia]

facts

just go play cod or insugency

[lilac halo]

then do co op

[obtuse sequoia]

get the dlcs

or do multiplayer

[lilac halo]

then use mods

[obtuse sequoia]

get mods

then you get other maps

[lilac halo]

just filter by recently update

yes they are

[obtuse sequoia]

nah they have really good modded maps

[obtuse sequoia]

isn’t there a mod for pvp too?

so he could just do that

still pvp tho

[lilac halo]

ok then go play cod lmao[

or squad

or arma

[cloud spruce]

hello people

[lilac halo]

4.8 gpa btw

yeah great bro we are on discord

my feelings are really hurt

realllyyy hurt

ahem this is #👮ron-discussion please take your chat do general discussion

what if i like that

[sudden thorn]

One thing I really dislike about the game is how nonsensical the plot is becoming

[lilac halo]

get this man a true

[sudden thorn]

I don’t mind how every mission in the base game is connected even though that’s unrealistic but atleast the scenarios in them could be see as realistic

a new america I don’t even need to say why that’s just entirely nonsensical

and by extension every boiling point level

[lilac halo]

i mean tbh half the dlcs seem to be for people who want more extreme lore

i enjoy it but sometimes grounded play is also more fun

[sudden thorn]

i have learnt to just sort of embrace it but it still throws me off a bit when I remember that it’s trying to be a realistic tactical shooter

i do not like the alternate and the man with green gloves

[lilac halo]

can run but never hide

sphere, zombies

mlo

[sudden thorn]

I don’t even know what the hell he was yapping about in that he was just saying words

[bitter mason]

I suppose it has always been pretty non sensical
The writing is decent at best and pretty bad at worst
All this """buildup""" around the conspiracy plot has finally lead to something and its just as weird and poorly written as everything else

[bitter mason]

Chatgpt ass speech
Its clear they've been using it to cut corners with some of the writing
Mission briefings for boiling point are the longest in the game yet and are a total waffle fest. Since stories from LS suspect and civ profiles have been needlessly long and detailed and very obviously written by an ai

[sudden thorn]

True

[balmy patio]

i mean the bank is not that non sensical ngl

[sudden thorn]

im betting the TOC voice lines at the beginning of ANA before MLO TOC takes over are probably ai generated too, not the voice just the dialogue

[sudden thorn]

That one is plausible I can buy that

And I can buy the pier mission if I squint a bit

[balmy patio]

2nd dlc i would say is even more stupid ngl

[sudden thorn]

Actually yeah to be honest I was wondering why everything was getting so long recently with all the briefings and everything

[bitter mason]

2nd dlc tried to justify itself with c.o.a.s.t but oil rigs story is ass and three letter triad is a shooting gallery map

[balmy patio]

think of the 2nd DLC and how absurd it is compared to the first dlc, you got a yacht raid (least non sensical but still pretty absurd), A DAMN OIL RIG??? and then you got three letter triad

[sudden thorn]

I don’t even get the story with the terrorists on oil rig what was even happening with that

and 3 letter triad why is the lspd handling that are the government this understaffed

[balmy patio]

three letter triad is not even that far behind from oil rig, why the hell is swat being deployed to a cartel hideout with basically no civilians or hostages as the entry team to raid down more than 30 cartel members as a squad of 5

i get it that judge is a sleeper agent on superhuman timings but bruh

[sudden thorn]

That’s honestly the most unrealistic part of the game, even the first mission wouldnt have just 5 men go in

[bitter mason]

Its really dumb
Echo terrorists taking over an oil rig in protest against oil
But of course its ron so it cant be subtle or in depth about it so all the terrorists are psychos and murdering the workers in the most cartoonishly evil way by hanging them off the platform

[balmy patio]

i can pause the small swat team thing a little bit

but when you got 5 dudes taking down a horde of heavily armed men with literal LMGS thats when yeah

[sudden thorn]

Oh yeah I remember only seeing that a few days ago when I chose the boat entrance on a multiplayer round and I was quite shocked to see that but also really confused

[balmy patio]

one thing i dislike right now is how severely punished you are for using lethal force and how the current system does not make exceptions to maps where it would make sense

the current system is fine for stuff like the gas station and other pretty normal scenarios where lethal would be a bit excessive

but ANA???, the hell do you mean i got unathorized use of force for not warning the MLO dude with a m249 first before shooting his ass down

[bitter mason]

Yeah oilrig and triad feel too far off the coast to be believable to me
Yacht was littlerly just off the shore but the other two are much further out
Triad is atleast an abandoned resort off the coast so its not too bad its just all the terrorists that make it silly

[coral dagger]

“We wanted to make a realistic game” congrats, outside of guns killing people you failed

[sudden thorn]

To be honest I think ROE is loosened on that I have executed a lot of MLO operatives and shot them in the back of the head before they can even see me a lot and I’m not penalised

Although sometimes I am its inconsistent

[lilac halo]

3 letter is on a peninsula no?

[sudden thorn]

realistic game if you don’t look at it for more then 2 seconds

[balmy patio]

its just that i would say three letter triad is honestly just a tiny and just a tiny bit more unrealistic than ANA IMO

just of the fact that there is literally no civilians or need for the swat to just go to a random island to raid a cartel hideout

[bitter mason]

ROE doesn't change depending on level it is just extremely loose ive never had an issue with it and honestly would like it to be stricter for some levels
You literally have to shoot someone when they're unaware or hesitating to get a penalty

[balmy patio]

like theres no rescues or anything you are literally just going there to kill all of them pretty much

[bitter mason]

Yeah

[balmy patio]

atleast in ANA i could like say that hey yknow its a CQC environment and theres a bunch of civilians and the whole judge stuff just a tiny tiny bit

but in three letter triad ur being sent to fuck elsewhere to just shoot up a bunch of cartel members pmuch

[bitter mason]

But that's where the conspiracy subplot and all things in the story try and justify how stupid it is

But id rather just have realistic swat scernarios for the swat game

[sudden thorn]

Non lethal guns are also just nonsensical they would not send not only just 5 men to an operation like neon tomb or relapse where terrorists are shooting up the place and there’s hundreds dead especially with weapons that are designed for people that arent actively shooting at you
I get it’s player choice but still it’s there for you to choose and it’s dumb

[gritty coyote]

I do not know an ounce of lore and I honestly don't care

[bitter mason]

Hell not even realistic really just believable

[balmy patio]

like i feel like even with the suspension of belief of the whole conspiracy and lore three letter triad just makes no sense for me

[lilac halo]

i think it would make more sense if we could have more officers but that is not happening ever

for 3 letter

or like fisa assistiance yk

[sudden thorn]

Why aren’t the feds dealing with it

It’s a bioweapon that’s being traded do your job and stop it

[bitter mason]

Yeah i have no issue with the 5 man team limit and less lethals really. Its mostly the plot and scernarios you face that make me roll my eyes
Swat 4 had the same 5 man limit, less lethals and stricter roe and feels 10x more believable than ron purely because of its stories missions being significantly more grounded

[balmy patio]

even so again the swat got nothing to do with that either way, theres no civilians at stake or anything of the like at the very least unlike oil rig or ANA

its just go in as 5 dudes and shoot up 30+ cartel guys basically

in the middle of nowhere

[gritty coyote]

make more sense if we could have more officers
it's a game. if you imitate real life you will have 10 SWAT guys trying to subdue one crackhead Benjamin, but who wants to play the SWAT there

[bitter mason]

Even the ones that had you facing terrorists that the fbi would likely be dealing with felt reasonable

[lilac halo]

i think the game would be better as a HRT simulator

[bitter mason]

Ron wanted to be swat 4 but got stuck trying to be rainbow six Vegas and doesn't know which one to commit to

[sudden thorn]

If the game didn’t take itself and promote itself as a realistic serious swat game I would not care for the nonsensical lore and the usia, mlo and all of that

I actually like it, I don’t care about it, but because it does it sours my opinion on it

[balmy patio]

i mean i love ANA so i wouldnt want it to be removed hell nah but the one thing i do wish for is for lethal means to be more lenient on those active shooter/terrorist type of missions

[gritty coyote]

the realistic part is the gunplay, and the cqb skills

[lilac halo]

its on the peninsula of los suenos so i would have to disagree there

[sudden thorn]

Yeah

[gritty coyote]

everything else, from lore, to number of enemies, to conflicts, doesn't have to be real

[sudden thorn]

I hope the whole mental health thing in commander gets reworked entirely

[bitter mason]

If its story was actually told in an interesting manner and infact told at all and was well written id probably like it
I dont hate a lot of the ideas they got they just execute them terribly

[balmy patio]

it makes sense in gas station and those to punish lethal gameplay but in three letter triad why the hell am i getting unathorized use of force, or even more to up the suspect killed points up when its those active shooter situations

[sudden thorn]

Why do my officers feel bad for shooting the terrorists in neon tomb but not if they arrest them, they still see hundreds of bodies, did they care about the poor poor terrorists that much

[balmy patio]

like you still aint gonna get S tier duh but like you get a C if you do everything perfect but kill the dudes

[sudden thorn]

I think it’s an a or a+

Honestly s+ shouldnt force you to go non lethal

[lilac halo]

i mean thats more of a question of is killing somebody going to put stress on you even if you know they could have surrendered

[sudden thorn]

Non lethal should just be removed entirely imo, like the beanbag and pepperball guns

Keep the taser and things like that but everything else

[bitter mason]

I'm gonna be real i never get roe violations
If you're shooting people who hesitate or aren't aware of you that will get you the penalty
I think roe should depend on the level tho but the game should never go full "shoot everyone"

[sudden thorn]

Really no reason to be here no reason for these cops to be using pepperball rifles during active shooter cases

[gritty coyote]

you don't have a narrative story. you have briefings and lore. And that's great because people can just ignore it.
In fact all the radio chatter in A New America becomes annoying upon repeated playthroughs.

[balmy patio]

what i dont get is why we cant get S rank by doing non lethal aka always incap

[bitter mason]

Roe is extremely loose in thos game

[balmy patio]

they are still alive yknow

[lilac halo]

yeah that never made sense tbh

[bitter mason]

Yeah they made it so incaps gave the same points as killing and idk why

[lilac halo]

i think non lethal is a fun challenge but locking s behind only captures and no incaps makes no sense

[gritty coyote]

incap does count for Arrest objectives, so it's not completely useless. But incap doesn't count for S rank because they want to make S rank painful

[bitter mason]

Used to just give you slightly less than an arrest but I do remember getting s ranks with one suspect incapped sometimes during early access

[balmy patio]

im fine with unathorized use of deadly force, in that case the suspect was already surrendered and you just offed him either way thats fully understandable but i dont like how you only get 5 points from killing a suspect thats actively shooting at you on those active shooter situations

[fallen depot]

I agree on the radio chatter. I finally finished the mission with a B so I’m happy

[balmy patio]

like you legit cant get more than a C without doing some arrests with taser or non lethals

[gritty coyote]

there is a mod to cut out the radio chatter in ANA

[sudden thorn]

I feel like they put in arbitrary shit like this just to make people play more

Like the ANA flower man bomb vest you have to defuse

[gritty coyote]

because of course people get annoyed by it. People are trying to enjoy the gameplay not listening to cutscenes

[fallen depot]

This guy gets it

[gritty coyote]

dump the lore into the briefings (which I never read)

[balmy patio]

i mean thats basically it, theres no incentive more than the CBT of S rank but like u should atleast be able to get a B by killing everyone without doing any offenses (only on those certain active shooter maps)

[bitter mason]

Because the game wants you to get arrests and I dont think that's a bad thing
Its just the game doesn't do a good job at encouraging getting arrests
Suspects are so trigger happy and one note you rarely get a chance to arrest them without a shit ton of effort

[fallen depot]

I been getting B’s, A’s, A+’s with the exception of buy cheap buy twice which I got an E on

[lilac halo]

yeah id have to agree here since the moral weight of killing somebody in this game is actually supposed to be a lot more heavy than any other shooter since they can surrender themselves

[balmy patio]

yeah thats why i run taser and flash nade alot, i can afford to just shoot up some of them on hard mode and then get some arrests on door breaches with non lethals for B or A ratings

[sudden thorn]

Honestly with suspects I always shout at them once and if they don’t put their gun down in the next few seconds or begin to I just kill them because I know they’re just going to pull a weapon on me and get me damaged

I don’t want to be hindered because of that

[gritty coyote]

at least there are rewards (ranks and some bonus cosmetics, scenes etc.) for nonlethal
but nonlethal only has one usable gun and one rotary bang

[balmy patio]

issue is that this strat straight up doesnt work in hard mode

[lilac halo]

two rotary bang

and two usable guns

[balmy patio]

they prefire you before you even do anything so you have to often shoot first or prefire

[sudden thorn]

To be honest I dislike the Hawaiian shirt it just doesn’t fit with anything it feels out of place

[balmy patio]

and hope they were locked onto you before that happened

[gritty coyote]

pepperball got nerfed to hell and became useless

[lilac halo]

for ai its good

[sudden thorn]

Never played that and never intend to

[bitter mason]

Yeah i think that's the biggest issue with the game
Suspects are far too predictable in what they're going to do
Roe should be strict and suspects need to have a sense of complexity to their decision making and not just instantly try and kill you

[lilac halo]

or if u mod

[sudden thorn]

True

[balmy patio]

its fun if you are delusional enough to milk this game more than its worth

aka more than 100 hours

[lilac halo]

tbh hard mode felt like a cheap gimmmick that just makes the game unnecessarily hard instead of more realistically hard

[sudden thorn]

Half the time I actually just shoot them on sight because as soon as we see each other they immediately turn to me with their gun raised

[fallen depot]

Me to. I don’t feel bad about it

[sudden thorn]

It’s on sight with every suspect

[sudden thorn]

I’ve always just played on standard

[gritty coyote]

yeah well, that's for low enemy stress
on hard mode, after stress builds up to a certain level, they shoot you on sight

[sudden thorn]

Did have to play casual on my first playthrough to beat some levels like relapse

[lilac halo]

ive played hard mode like three times in my 622 hour history i have way more fun milking the game with mods

[bitter mason]

I don't bother with hard mode standard annoys me enough with the shitty ai
Not even that im being killed by them its just they always are so dumb and lack any depth

[sudden thorn]

I’ve got 150

[lilac halo]

standard is good

[sudden thorn]

Never tried it it looks like a slog

[balmy patio]

i got all my hours out of playing pubs which is why i play on hard

[lilac halo]

i think standard is best in fact

[balmy patio]

lets say hard pubs are the good kind of torture

[sudden thorn]

Honestly kind of prefer casual because of how less stressful it is

[lilac halo]

pubs are so funny i love pubs

[sudden thorn]

I like standard but sometimes it’s makes me way too anxious to where im getting annoyed and nervous to do anything

[balmy patio]

i feel like its a miracle to see a pub team last until the 4th floor on ANA hard

[gritty coyote]

well I do enjoy hard mode. It is a game of positioning. I lean and prefire to get my kills. Just don't stand in the open.

[sudden thorn]

Public lobby players are the funniest people ever

[lilac halo]

me on hard

[bitter mason]

I like commanding bots so I get to suffer in my own way

[lilac halo]

with friends is also hella fun modded

[balmy patio]

its cool until you get hit by the 50ms minimum reaction time of hard mode

[sudden thorn]

If you want to see if they’re actually good or not load up a lethal obsession and see who die to bombs

[balmy patio]

so even on prefire they still get a shot off

[lilac halo]

me and my friend and my dad bust into thte bank all with the mg338 and that was pretty fun

[balmy patio]

they load up stolen valor and all die to the door traps

[gritty coyote]

the key is to barely lean. That's how I get the drop on them. The AI doesn't notice barely leaning MCs

[sudden thorn]

True

[balmy patio]

yeah u can just abuse free lean

[lilac halo]

i have never used free lean except when i accidentally engage it to pause youtube at the beginning of a run

[gritty coyote]

and if they have already noticed you, and you can't kill them immediately, retreat and wait for them to push

[lilac halo]

how do u use it

[sudden thorn]

Click both lean buttons I believe

[gritty coyote]

look in the settings. assign keybind to free lean.

[bitter mason]

Again a big issue I have with the game and especially hard mode it constantly just tries to appeal to the murder gameplay of killing everyone
The gunplay is fun so ik why people do that but it really needs to get a grip on its mechanics and decide how they want people to play the game

[gritty coyote]

Free lean is not lean. Lean is useless.

[sudden thorn]

Actually I don’t know I’m on console

Don’t know why im speaking on this

[gritty coyote]

lean < free lean < crouch + free lean

[sudden thorn]

You barely lean with lean and I can’t believe I learned how to free lean only when doing a new america

Actually felt like I was enlightened learning about free leaning

[bitter mason]

For pc hold alt and use wasd

[gritty coyote]

now I wish other games had free lean.

but few games care so much about tight positioning and cqb like RON

[bitter mason]

It is very useful
I remember when you could crouch down with it even further than you can now

[lilac halo]

bro just typing shit

[sudden thorn]

pretty much

[lilac halo]

jailbreak yo shit twin ✌️

[gritty coyote]

alt is awkward for me. I assign free lean to Ctrl, but my Caps Lock key is Ctrl

[sudden thorn]

no

I’ve been using the 4X scope recently and I really like it

[lilac halo]

💔

[sudden thorn]

I like the reduced vertical recoil and the iron sights on top even with height over bore

[lilac halo]

elcan?

[sudden thorn]

I think that’s what it’s called

[gritty coyote]

there are just very few spots where 4X is really needed.

[sudden thorn]

I don’t know but it’s the 4X one

[lilac halo]

elcan is just sexy bro thats all the reason i need

[sudden thorn]

I like running that with the sfmb brake and vertical grip on the arn, essentially no recoil

[sudden thorn]

vertical recoil reduction is enough for me

[gritty coyote]

yeah good idea

[lilac halo]

i use elcan or lpvo for missions where they take hostages enough

like 23 mb or los pollos hermanos

[gritty coyote]

for aiming I just need laser sight with canted aiming. maximum screen estate to see what the suspect is doing

[sudden thorn]

I do like using the srs though it doesn’t obstruct much when ads and if you use a mault laser with it it is really good

[sudden thorn]

True

canted iron sights is the most useless thing in the whole game

[gritty coyote]

in fact this game made me get addicted to canted aiming

[lilac halo]

if im using nvgs ill put a red dot on and then proceed to never use it and only the laser

[gritty coyote]

ADS is so bad in terms of losing awareness

[lilac halo]

yeah deadass 😭

should make aiming like real life

cant see the scope

for red dots

[gritty coyote]

do you mean aiming with two eyes open ?

[lilac halo]

yea

[gritty coyote]

yeah I don't know how to replicate that in a game

[sudden thorn]

They should make guns be a bit transparent when adsing

[lilac halo]

yeah something like that honestly

[sudden thorn]

Maybe have a toggle to aim with one eye and have a more focused less blury sights

[lilac halo]

i can two eye with a pistol red dot but not a rifle since i shoot offhand lmao

maybe there is away irl but it would be cool to have it in ready or not to experience it 🥹

[lilac halo]

this could be big

[sudden thorn]

I hope they make more scopes like the aimpro available for more guns because there’s no reason not to

[lilac halo]

i hope they add more attachments in general

sick of the shitty afg

[sudden thorn]

I also think having the grenade launcher exclusive mgo sight or whatever it’s called be on rifles would be interesting

[sudden thorn]

True

[lilac halo]

and only the broomstick 😡

why can i not have the magpul rvg huh void?

[sudden thorn]

I hope we can customise guns in general more
Except for how they look obviously that’s unnecessary and they look really good anyway

[lilac halo]

mm

[sudden thorn]

Is there a difference between the WM and normal flashlight or not

[lilac halo]

handguard swaps would be cool

[sudden thorn]

True

I would like to be able to have our guns be held on the right by default and cant leaning to the right

[lilac halo]

they should have a left hand feature lmao

[sudden thorn]

True

[lilac halo]

would me kinda trippy

[sudden thorn]

Would be interesting though

I hope we get one or two more lasers and a few more scopes

I would also like a few more barrel options and grips

Wouldn’t hurt

[lilac halo]

lasers yes scopes yes barrel options yes grips yes

[rough flume]

pls fix swat ai i cant take it any longer that they throw flash bangs at the wall and not into the room

[lilac halo]

i want dbal, ogl, 552, acog, kac handguards, more mlok, more pic rails, scar without ugly shit on front, rvg, allat

sig sights, sig suppressors

[sudden thorn]

They throw it at their feet it’s annoying

there’s room for bravado stand down

why can’t we say that to them as judge

[obtuse sequoia]

fr, we need way more customization options. i wanna have more grips and more optics aswell

[rough flume]

i swear i just had a mission where they failed to flashbang a room twice

[lilac halo]

i hate how gas launchers now explode like 5 seconds after they shoot and how flashbang launchers explode in the doorframe

[rough flume]

and died

[sudden thorn]

Rip

[sudden thorn]

Gas grenades vs canted iron sights

Which is more useless competition

I just use nine bangs now those are the strongest grenades imo

[tired vine]

is possible to kill people with flashbang

[chilly thorn]

very rare

[waxen tartan]

Im definitely being trolled how does a suspect open a trapped door and kill MY OFFICER but he still standing without a scratch..... nice logic devs😐

[lilac halo]

suspects arent supposed to trigger traps and lately theres been a bug where they sometimes open trapped doors

[waxen tartan]

Lmao yeah im not even upset about that how does he walk away and my officer gets slaughtered

[lilac halo]

i would guess two things

1. traps not coded to damage suspects
2. traps not coded to blow up people behind them, only in front like a reverse c2

honestly they probably just copied the code to c2 and then made it trigger whne u open the door instead of set a detonator

[waxen tartan]

Lovely now im getting 1 hit by knifes now 😂

[dusky elm]

Hellooooo

c:

[frail pier]

They do damage suspects. Almost positive on it.

[lilac halo]

yea i do think its likely they just used the code for c2

[frail pier]

Nah trap radius is 4m. C2 will only fuck you up if you're in front of the door. Def not same code at all.

[lilac halo]

4 meters?

[frail pier]

Yeah in-game meters

[lilac halo]

how different is that from in real life mmeters

[frail pier]

Because it's not 12 foot radius like real life?

You can be what looks like 6 feet away from a trap and survive.

[lilac halo]

yea thats what i thought

[frail pier]

Breach is 3.5m for shots, this is why you can back up as you breach the door and not die if done correctly

[lilac halo]

could have just increased blast distance and decreased damage falloff tho no? i dont really do programming so idk

[frail pier]

Unsure about maps without health modifiers though, but the maps that have increased health suspects and traps it will take less bullets to incap if they get hit by a trap. They just don't die because of the extra health.

[desert island]

is there a mod that diagonal aim on primary but regular aim on secondary

instead of tying both together

[waxen tartan]

Well it definitely didn't in the clip I recorded 😂

[frail pier]

Where clip

[waxen tartan]

Gimmie a min

[frail pier]

Maybe they don't, I'm way out of the loop of RoN stats and interactions. But I feel like I remember it being a thing at some point. But I rarely get these kinds of interactions.

[unkempt granite]

if i get shot down by some dude pulling back because i take 5 years to swap to the launcher i'll lose it

[waxen tartan]

Uploading now ill tag you

[frail pier]

Was this on standard?

[waxen tartan]

Mhm

[frail pier]

Interesting, that map doesn't have health modifiers. But he didn't die?

I don't play this map often really. The other Edgeware was better

[lost inlet]

They do damages cause suspects has got incapped by it before.

Oh, they’re muted.

[frail pier]

Why tho💀

[lost inlet]

Maybe were being rude in other channels?

[frail pier]

He seemed like a well established gentleman

Idk how I've never got muted before here

Oh wait I have nvm

[lost inlet]

I did as well for advocating the funny way to get the game without paying.

[frail pier]

A hilarious way? No way

[lost inlet]

Lmao even.

[frail pier]

Are the mods in the room with us right now?

[lost inlet]

[crisp sphinx]

whats with the quickplay AI getting stuck after I die

[waxen tartan]

Im trying to s rank all missions in order

[rocky plover]

Which ones you got left since we last played?

[waxen tartan]

I've done quite a few

[rocky plover]

Nice

[waxen tartan]

Like 4-5

[rocky plover]

That's good

[woeful dove]

GET DOWN ON THE GROUND
hell no!
Let me put this in a language u can understand...
1080 rpm.

[rocky plover]

Lmao

[woeful dove]

spc9 is awesome

[rocky plover]

Used to be 1600 instead of the current 1080

[kind moth]

guys

[woeful dove]

bring back op weapons

[kind moth]

whats a good gun in ron?

[rocky plover]

It's still alright though

[woeful dove]

glock 18 doesent fire fast enough

[woeful dove]

you twin

[rocky plover]

M32A1

[woeful dove]

m67

[rocky plover]

[lost inlet]

Anything that shoots buckshot.

[fallen osprey]

do not forget the frag rounds

[kind moth]

son 😭

[lost inlet]

Give M32 stinger round.

[kind moth]

i blast suspects and civilian at the same time

yayyy

[lost inlet]

Only happens if a suspect is holding a civi hostage and you’re far away.

Which is close to zero.

[kind moth]

this is my scenario

their head blews

[lost inlet]

Rip i guess. You have a handgun after all.

[woeful dove]

fuckass ai

[woeful dove]

your gonna be blasted bro

[tired vine]

bro i accidentally throw a flashbang while my officer move and clear the room and then accidentally bounce to one of my officer and he's dead

[kind moth]

i never played commander mode

i always do true solo

[chilly thorn]

whats true solo

[woeful dove]

you.

[woeful dove]

becoming active shooter

[chilly thorn]

Like just killing everyone?

[woeful dove]

prob

[chilly thorn]

I do that sometimes when im bored I guess but its fucking boring

and on most maps its really easy

[lost inlet]

:pffftt:

[woeful dove]

I try non lethal everyone when if I want a challenge

[chilly thorn]

I mainly do a swat 4 style

only shooting when a gun is pointed at someone and theres no other choice

for example if someones shooting at me I'd rather run away, de-agro, find a way to arrest them. and if all else fails then I'll shoot them.

[unkempt granite]

37 mins gone to the trash

fuck a new america atp 💔

[crude ermine]

cope hard

[kind moth]

playing without team

just go by yourself

[chilly thorn]

doesn't that remove like 50% of the fun of the game

[waxen tartan]

All my ai think their john wick and runs off on their on

[woeful dove]

??? mine never does that

[chilly thorn]

Swat ai are insane sometimes I had a dude hit a 180 degree snap on a suspect and instant dome him the second they tried to flank us

[woeful dove]

by chance are u incapable of pressing Z or love pressing middle click 6?

[waxen tartan]

Shoots a flash bang in suspect literal stomach twice still shoots back suspect have a god complex

[chilly thorn]

why are you shooting flashbanged suspects

you will lose points

[crisp sphinx]

Bruh

I was playing levathian THESE MFERS PLACED A TRAP ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

or well, the fire supression room

[lost inlet]

What gun and what map?

[kind moth]

its hard to do get a high score

cause swat ai will just straight shoots someone who pulls out a weapon

[late ledge]

yo who the hell are these random two officers carrying suspects in my game???

the game is bugged it wont' let me switch to my blue or gold team no more

[waxen tartan]

1. I know what I'm doing 2. Im not shooting flash banged suspects im using the 6 round getnade launcher 3. I been doing it this way for 2 days and never lost points

[kind moth]

MGL flash are pretty fun tbh

straight blind a crowd with single shot

[waxen tartan]

They do that when u take down the suspects and its clear so they pick up everyone

[waxen tartan]

M32A1 is better by a longshot

[unreal plover]

does anyone know how to fix a bug where my game has a fatal error about 10 seconds after joining my friend on xbox, tried everything except clearing %appdata%, any suggestions before hitting the nuclear button?

[kind moth]

i used RTWC instead

[lost inlet]

Trailer units. Only appears in quickplay.

[late ledge]

oohhh i see i see.

[late ledge]

yeah that was quick play alright i was so confused, but it was bugged where it wouldn't let me switch to ai commands for blue and gold team

had to rejoin the mission

[real mulch]

If suspects can only see flashlights but not lasers, what's the point of the infrared laser?

[lost inlet]

IR laser? To use while wearing nvg.

[real mulch]

Ye but why would I use it over the traditional laser?

[lost inlet]

It has a line so you don’t have to find where is the laser pointing at.

[real mulch]

Ah that makes sense. Thanks!

[balmy patio]

yeah that works until hard mode

where they shoot you the moment a pixel shows up

[balmy patio]

use RTWC for its efficiency ❎ , use it for that loud ass bang it makes on each shot ✅

why the hell is that gun so loud

[kind moth]

i use silencer

[balmy patio]

man that defeats the point

[kind moth]

all the time for every gun

[balmy patio]

if u wanna larp being a sniper use m14S-16 with the silencer and scope

[kind moth]

i use rtwc only on no good deeds

[balmy patio]

three letter triad

[chilly thorn]

thats why I avoid getting seen

[kind moth]

what

[chilly thorn]

they cant shoot you if you get them before they can see you

thats why my loadouts for hard is 2 primary mags 2 pistol mags and like 9 grenades

[kind moth]

i bring 5 mags of primary

[chilly thorn]

but I play modded difficulties more since hard is either too jank or too easy

[chilly thorn]

Think about realistically how many shots you fire per mission and you will realize that you will never really need more then 3

[waxen tartan]

S ranked 3 letter triad pheww what a horrendous mission

[kind moth]

i usually do full auto in some case

and i was never bring enough shells for shotguns

[chilly thorn]

I use full auto too since I usually use the P90 or another SMG