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[gritty coyote]

👍 that was my guess too but just checking

[hexed escarp]

you can beat your teammates to death with it

[woeful dove]

does ready or not still have the breakcore stuff or no

[hexed escarp]

what do you mean by that...

[woeful dove]

what level have u played recently

[hexed escarp]

none in a while i have the game uninstalled

i last played when boiling point dropped

[woeful dove]

oh, I just wondering if the music still has the cool stuff in combat

[hexed escarp]

yeah the soundtrack is still the same

[late ledge]

did they change the mirror gun to look choppier on purpose for realism?

[woeful dove]

@late ledge check ur graphics settings, ur graphics dictate the mirrorgun's quality

[late ledge]

everything is on epic.

and my fps is averaging 100+

just when using the mirror gun does it look like 30 fps, but my fps counter still says 100+ fps

[woeful dove]

check mirrorgun settings in graphics

[late ledge]

i have the fps uncapped

[woeful dove]

I can't find the narcos music inside my ready or not album 🤨

I only have the gamerip for some reason, even though I own the album

does it have a diff name?

[fallen osprey]

@thorny shore that doesnt matter

if they are so young that they cant even be allowed to see blood, then they should not be playing this game, period

[woeful dove]

y'all should go play roblox 👍

however though if they bought the game I feel bad lowkey 💔

[sharp cairn]

Yeah tbh a lot of parents need to stop relying on others and take some responsibility for their kid

[gritty coyote]

This game is ugh definitely not meant for kids

[supple scaffold]

guys

After like idk fucking 60 hours, I did it

Boiling point on S rank

[gritty coyote]

Nice. Which difficulty

[supple scaffold]

first time, just wanted to see David's room for the easter egg

So I went normal

[sharp kettle]

Finally finished greased palms on S tier

[supple scaffold]

there are any YT videos explaining the full lore now with the Boiling point DLC? the last video I saw covered until dark waters, but this DLC opens a lot of things

[marble flume]

okay, so I just had to say something about this

I'm trying S ranks on the classic maps on Hard for some reason. I'm on Ides of March, I get a suspect down to surrender, and I guess he tries to fake surrender or some shit.

Well, my SWAT buddy crossmaps this guy with a beanbag shotgun headshot and kills him, but somehow the game thinks I killed him or something because TOC immediately ordered my SWAT guys to kill me, and the same guy that bodied that surrendered suspect in the head proceeded to one-shot me with a beanbag shotgun.

Just, what even lmao

In other words, I think I've concluded that the SWAT AI is absolutely useless for what I'm trying

[sudden thorn]

first level has a group of people dispersing a chemical agent into a pier during a fundraising event and subsequently causing a massacre, they wore outfits that made them look like the lspd
in the second mission which takes place the day after, riots have begun all across los suenos due to the public’s distrust in the lspd and thinking they massacred the people in the pier, d platoon responds to a bank robbery which is undergoing admist the riots with the same chemical agent from the pier attacks being used here, after clearing the bank, they open the vault and find the body of someone in it on a chair which I believe is supposed to be someone important but I forgot who it was, he had a phone taped to his mouth and judge answers a call that is emitting from it, the caller addresses judge personally and judge seems to know the person, judge accuses the caller of causing the pier attack
In the final mission, the group named the Mariposa Lily Organisation reveals themselves as the masterminds behind these other two operations and have subsequently took hold of the city hall and records building, barricading themselves in the top floors as they have also wired the building to explore, d platoon makes its way through the top floors and they are eventually able to disarm the triggerman after enabling a signal jammer that they find, judge is then given the choice to either disarm or enable the bomb which lead to two different endings

thats a general overview of things I missed a lot of it but I hope its enough to get a general grasp of it

[sullen lily]

i will end somebodys life (again) if i have to s rank greased palms AGAIN

i didnt see the progress bar update for medal of valor

DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON COMMANDER MODE

[sudden thorn]

It’s not that bad if you use the rotating grenade launcher

Hell I don’t feel like it’s that bad of a map to complete in general when you get the right route

except in hard mode but every map sucks to do on that

[distant rose]

why does the M4A1 look so short, does it have a 10.5 inch barrel or smthn?

[vivid widget]

10.3 inch barrel i believe

[distant rose]

ah so its the CQBR version of the M4A1 then i think

[vivid widget]

pretty much

[fallen osprey]

no

[sullen lily]

I did it on quick play

[sullen lily]

then why didn’t I see the bar update

[sudden thorn]

How’s that pertain to that

[fallen osprey]

idk

but you can do it on quickplay

source: i have medal of valor and have never done a single mission on commande rmode

[static oxide]

fucking jack adams is stubborn

holy shit i tased and OC him and he wont give the fuck up

[gritty coyote]

there is in fact a long barrel attachment
if you are foolish enough to use it in cqb

[sweet fractal]

let me do the sicario stuff..

[sudden thorn]

I like how you can just gun down the disguised doctors in relapse before they even pull out a weapon and get no penalty for doing so

[gritty coyote]

yeah well usually you will hear weird accents and they start reaching real quick
but not as quick as my shot

[marble flume]

Same thing for Hide and Seek, you can shoot a suspect not holding a gun and actively running away from you and get no penalty for it

[sly grail]

OH MY GOD DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN IMPRISON YOUR TEAMMATES IN THE HIDE AND SEEK SHIPPING CONTAINER?

[slim ibex]

somebody knows how much damage the aks74u does that some suspects use

[runic eagle]

The suspects on Ana are invincible

[slim ibex]

no but, they have the heaviest armor in the game

they can eat 2 7.62x52mm sometimes

[west pumice]

So i was playing multiplayer and I was talking on the mic with the other players. Suddenly, my mic stopped working and I couldn't hear anyone, does anyone know why?

[sly grail]

yea no even with the Kill Me they cannot escape

[sudden thorn]

I really like the srs optic and how little it obscures your view

I might start using that more then the eotech

[runic eagle]

Just died for
The 50 time on ANA

[marble flume]

I use ironsights on weapons unless they're just awful

[sudden thorn]

Fair enough

[sudden thorn]

Holy shit use this with the mault laser and it’s really easy to aim

whenever mault gets fixed it won’t work as well but right now it’s great

[dim leaf]

Thank you devs for making the eli character so I can be a real sheriff 💪

[runic eagle]

Damn I got flash banged by the ANA bad guys. That was a firs

[sudden thorn]

You can bait their breaches to your own advantage, if you know there’s a few suspects in a room, trip over an ir laser on purpose to bait them into breaching, as soon as they open the door, open fire immediately, or if there’s 2-3+ suspects then you can use a c2 and explode it as they open the door

It’s quite fun to do that

[runic eagle]

Nice I’ll do that c2 tric

Thanks

[sudden thorn]

Only do that though if you can see that there’s multiple suspects otherwise just shoot them as it would be a waste, also make sure to use a mirrorgun to see if there’s anybody in there to even try that

You can also trip a wire and try to listen and triangulate where they are from them shouting their commands but that might mess you up if you don’t find their location in time

What would you all say is the most optimal loadout I mean it’s up to personal preference but personally im running light armor with front only steel, 6ap primary mags, 2 ap secondary, 3 flashbangs and 1 wedge and c2

[warm talon]

How do I get the colourful polo shirt. Low-key I forgot

[sullen lily]

Narcos is a POS

fuck it and their enemys being able to take WHOLE SHOTGUN SHOTS POINT BLANK TO THE CHEST WITH THIN ASS VEST

[sullen lily]

s-rank valley of the dolls

[sullen lily]

this fuck ass level feels worse than a new america

AND I AM DOING THIS IN STANDARD MODE FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK

[warm talon]

On standard or hard?

[sullen lily]

standard and above

[warm talon]

Is that the one with them many houses?

[night shore]

got this mod that gives the 9 banger the same effect as a bomb vest

[sullen lily]

yes

[night shore]

just blowing suspects to smithereens

[sullen lily]

it explodes?

[sullen lily]

please give me it i want to blow suspects fucking heads off

[night shore]

its called meatbanger

[warm talon]

I found that easy because all I did was shoot anything that moves

[night shore]

i need a mod that adds an alt aim for the g18

gangsta aim holding that shit sideways

david switch em down beaumont

[sullen lily]

i need an explanation why suspects dont die and are staggered from a shotgun blast to the chest at point blank with shitty vests

[night shore]

skill issue could be

im sorry that was rather mean

[sullen lily]

its not

its a load of shit

i didnt miss my shots, point right at the torso, didnt die

TWICE FROM THE SUPERNOVA

[urban mural]

Maybe too distant?

[sullen lily]

???

i wasnt right infront of them

[barren crescent]

What should I run for Port Hokan?

[sullen lily]

battle rifle

any

[barren crescent]

heavily armored foes?

[sullen lily]

battle

rifle

i have a plan

[night shore]

dorms so easy with a switch and frag grenadeas

[sullen lily]

why don i use the machine gun mod

[sudden thorn]

When I had first obtained it I thought you had to s rank every level and was really confused when I got it for s ranking valley

[sullen lily]

dorms feels like the only level easy or home invasion

[sudden thorn]

Lawmaker is quite easy to be honest

[night shore]

narcos is one of those missions where its hard but like really fun

[sullen lily]

what guns and caliber do suspects have

[sullen lily]

its not fun anymore for me

also is all of dark waters

active shooter levels

[night shore]

dark waters is the least strong of all the dlcs i think

[sudden thorn]

I don’t pay attention to that

I just pay attention to if someone has a gun or not

[night shore]

elysian is good though

nice map for big ass gunfights

[sudden thorn]

Eh id say its home invasion

[sullen lily]

narcos is half on par with a new america

[night shore]

just false

[sullen lily]

suspect wise (excluding the whole advanced tactics)

[night shore]

i beat narcos with no armor and a revolver

[sudden thorn]

Narcos is definitely the hardest the backyards inbetween homes gets me occasionally suspects there are ruthless

[sullen lily]

isnt there also 9-10 of them

[sudden thorn]

I believe so

I replayed relapse today and honestly I really like it

Other then having to spend 10 minutes looking for the last civvie

It’s a fun map other then that

[sullen lily]

i keep messing it up due to my own incompetence. even when going lethal

[gritty coyote]

I am heartened to hear others also struggled with Narcos. Hard difficulty right ?

the crackhead bastards flank way too efficiently, more so than other maps

I figured out which doors to wedge in the end.

visibility is somewhat of an issue but once I got used to the problematic sight lines I knew what to look for

[woeful dove]

ready or not before port mission 😄 let's tase this guy!
ready or not after port: blow this fuckers head off for me cadet

[sullen lily]

nope

standard

[storm belfry]

Is it just me or does the helmet with the ballistic mask and no nvgs look like it could be a good bowling ball?

[rare jay]

Anyone got any tips for beating postal map on hard? Had like 30 attempts and got absolutely smoked every attempt

[storm belfry]

Yeahhhh

but you see what I mean right?

[wide scaffold]

Have someone ever s ranked everything on hard in ironmade mode?

[rocky plover]

Yea there was a guy here that did it, forgot his name

[wide scaffold]

Is he mentally ok?

[storm belfry]

No

[wide scaffold]

Not surprised

[rocky plover]

I mean it's not hard to do with the alt f4 method

[wide scaffold]

Why is everything a method

Just say use alt f4 😭

[rocky plover]

Whatever xD

[wide scaffold]

Using alt f4 helped me a lot in hitman hardcore

[winter pendant]

I tend to neutralize suspects with the click on their head method, like and subscribe for more ron tips

[hollow nova]

do my teammates have to unequip the shield for the heat is on

[split scroll]

how do people do programmed psychosis

im abusing free lean and tripping ir wires to make them breach but im getting one tapped and i cant react

[unkempt granite]

use the b1301, shoot first, and save flashes for last room

[edgy verge]

Why save flashes? U can refill them at the yellow box when u come up the staircase

[unkempt granite]

can you refill the flash launcher

genuine question i need that for s ranks

[split scroll]

i try to shoot first but its kinda difficult for me to line up the shot before they see me using free lean or if i got a mirror gun

[unkempt granite]

yk how to crouch lean?

[gritty coyote]

crouch lean is the way yeah

[edgy verge]

Good question but since i always play shield i dont know sry

But non the less u should be able to apprehend him with flashbangs only🤷🏽‍♂️because if one of em pushes u with ur 320 equipped u are cooked

[split scroll]

s and a/d? i think so

[edgy verge]

I think its hold alt + a/d

[unkempt granite]

there's that but there's also with crouch

@split scroll so basically if you use crouch and then free lean you can like see more into the room than you would usually be able to

and it seems like they can't see you since you're only showing like your head maybe

[edgy verge]

But u will also expose more of ur body into the fatal funnel

[split scroll]

alr thx

[unkempt granite]

true but you use crouch lean while like a meter or so away from the door

[split scroll]

i also see people bait the suspects using by yelling at them should i also do that

[edgy verge]

U can also bait them by walking through the traps on purpose

Just hold the door when they shout „stack up“ and when they kick it just f em up

[rocky plover]

Yes you do, you fill everything but keep in mind the wedges placed gets removed and have to replace them

[late ledge]

am i the only one that sees some shadow flickering in this game even without DLSS?

[woeful dove]

u on dx12?

yet again, why the fuck do the suspects gun's outpower ours

fawwwwwwwwwwwwwwk

the suffering

[late ledge]

Yeah

[hallow flower]

hello, i wanna ask, hard solo ANA. how much flash bang, wedge and ammo do you guys bring? and how much ammo considered enough to reach 4th floor to refilll it?
i want to use flash bang but cant spam it since im using light armor front steel plate (13 slot).

[unkempt granite]

don't really worry about ammo on the 4th floor, there's an ammo box there

[gritty coyote]

4 or 5 flashbangs should be enough. Don't become over-reliant on bangs

yeah he knows about the ammo box

[unkempt granite]

learn how to crouch lean and to peek overall, and honestly? don't even try to s rank it solo hardmode, just shoot anyone you see that isn't in a suit or in formal clothes

[gritty coyote]

use free lean to win encounters. flashbangs can sometimes even get you killed if enemies just decide to bumrush

[hallow flower]

sorry for unclear question, i mean how many ammo do i need minimum to clear 2nd and 3rd floor before reach 4th. since i can just refill it later for 4th floor

[gritty coyote]

my current load out is 7 AP mags and 4 bangs and 2 wedges

[lost inlet]

Bruh.

You don’t need that much mag for your primary.

That’s overkill.

[gritty coyote]

yeah well I'm a solo I just like not caring for ammo

and I play full auto

[unkempt granite]

just bring whatever you're comfortable with really, i'd personally recommend 4-5 mags on primary, 1-2 on secondary, some flashbangs and wedges/c2 if you use those

[lost inlet]

Yeah, no wonder why.

[rocky plover]

I used 5 slots for buckshot
1 slot for .50ae JHP
6 9 bangs
1 c2
Light armor front only steel

[deep topaz]

hi , what’s your favourite Ready or Not mission?
I’m trying to pick what to play next

[gritty coyote]

hunger strike is the shortest and most intense map

[deep topaz]

also, i am new

[gritty coyote]

oh, if you are new you should follow the base game progression to get familar

[lost inlet]

23 mb.

[hallow flower]

if i only encounter 1 enemy, its easy, i abuse the free lean. but when theres 2 or more, thats when i rely on flash bang. issue is i suck at throwing. so the flash only got 1 enemy stun

[rocky plover]

Could also go with 3 or 4 slots instead but might have to skip some floors and get to ammo box first to be safe

[hallow flower]

but how do you guys handle the multiple enemy in one room, still often got damage and making harder for 4th floor

[unkempt granite]

a new america, lawmaker, 3 letter triad and leviathan are imo challenging but still really fun to learn to play around

[rocky plover]

Peek them one by one exposing yourself just enough to see enemies 1 by 1

[gritty coyote]

if you properly lean and don't be greeyd for angles, you only have to kill enemies one at a time.

[rocky plover]

Exactly ^

[gritty coyote]

in fact flashbang on hard has quite short stun duration so it becomes a crapshoot if you think you're invincible against multiple enemies

[hallow flower]

i see thanks for the advice, gonna try to learn that one

[unkempt granite]

has anyone else seen that beanbags are inconsistent even on close range on ANA?

[gritty coyote]

but it's true that flashbangs can be a crutch when an angle is awkward to push

[unkempt granite]

it's so annoying shooting a dude 2-3 times and not stunning him

[deep topaz]

I already played New America. My best score was A+, but I still haven’t gotten S ye.

[hallow flower]

yeah i often miss because the stun animation make me miss the head shot
i also feel like theres some invisible frame on the enemy once they got stun. cause like i need to shoot more to kill it

[unkempt granite]

fym kill it 💔

why are you trying to kill someone with beanbags

[half goblet]

those are the best maps in the game IMO, they're hard but once you understand them they're not THAT hard

[hallow flower]

ah you mean with bag, so it mean just skill issue for me with lethal gun yet need more shoot to kil it hahha

one more question, does lock pick gun necessary?

[gritty coyote]

never

you are wasting a slot

[rocky plover]

Only for convenience, personally I find it a waste of slot

[deep topaz]

Yeah, I already play #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[hallow flower]

owh so this whole time i wasted my 1 slot

[gritty coyote]

flashbang is the most important. then wedge for me.

[unkempt granite]

i love it but it's not that necessary

also, i see you can swap between your secondary and the taser, is there any way to lock it on the taser instead of having to choose it again?

[rocky plover]

You already get lockpick tool, the gun just makes it faster

[hallow flower]

thanks for the advice, seems i found my loadout for me to try it later
4 slug, 6 flash, 3 wedge

[rocky plover]

Easiest and fastest to instantly get taser out is pressing 4, faster than holding 2 and scrolling

[unkempt granite]

idk if slug is really that good on ana really, i've been able to 1 shot ppl on hardmode even to the chest w the b1301 on buckshot

[hallow flower]

i think i just read someone bring secondary ammo. why do you even bring them? i never used my secondary ammo in whole run.

[rocky plover]

Just make sure you have taser as 1st option when pressing 4

[unkempt granite]

i have the lockpick pistol there 🥹

[unkempt granite]

how do i do that

[gritty coyote]

buckshot has some spread so you can easily headshot even while aiming around chest

[unkempt granite]

it instantly changes to the lockpick pistol

[rocky plover]

Select taser first in loadout, exit loadout, enter loadout again and pick the rest of the stuff

[half goblet]

it's okay, i feel like DMRs, 7.62 rifles and Buckshots are the best options

[hallow flower]

also i think if you hit the limb, its concidered 1 shot, kinda op

[gritty coyote]

yeah limbs are not armored good catch

[rocky plover]

For those peeks around tight doors, 1 hit kill to the limbs with .50ae JHP

[half goblet]

they're not armored on A New America??????

[rocky plover]

Limbs are never armoured is what he means

[gritty coyote]

armor is only for torso think about it

[hallow flower]

ah ok that nice idea, i think i will bring 1 spare ammo for secondary, so i got 5 flash

[half goblet]

great, i always shot the chest...

[gritty coyote]

you probably hit the arms or head as well

it's a random thing

[half goblet]

i didn't even notice, the RTWC with AP usually one/two taps anyway

[gritty coyote]

which difficulty? standard or hard

[half goblet]

standard, i'll start Hard tomorrow to get the platinum

[gritty coyote]

on standard, 7.62 oneshots of course. on hard it is always 2

what is platinum in this game? does it include the Sleeper Agent achievement?

[rocky plover]

Some have L4 armor which slugs really struggle against tbh, while buckshot technically doesn't penetrate any armor it's still a better choice due to the spread - making you hit Limbs very easily and slug is a single projectile might as well use a rifle at that point tbh

[hallow flower]

battle riffle is also quite op, but i got the issue where forgot to check ammo, its fun using shotgun cause you just spam reload and always ready youself

[half goblet]

nope, only the base game achievements are needed, no DLC

[unkempt granite]

MCX and RTWC can 1-2 shot L4 armor, right?

[hallow flower]

i think shot gun is the most over powered gun if used in the correct way, minus, too long, kinda hard free lean between the door. now i know why bring mkv secondary

[rocky plover]

L4 needs 2 shot with any rifle, needs to be AP for L4

On hard mode

On standard you can use 7.62x51 AP for 1 shots on L4

[split scroll]

do suspects only react to flashlights or flashlights and lasers?

[gritty coyote]

Former

Laser op

[half goblet]

so they don't react to lasers?

[rocky plover]

Nope

[gritty coyote]

Correct

[half goblet]

so the Night Vision one is just useful to see it better?

[split scroll]

ive been playing solo hard ana with no laser thinking they react to it lmao

[wild crater]

Guys I need help to know how to beat hide and seek this is so hard and the enemies are shooting me from 5 miles and I can’t see them

[unkempt granite]

you can see both really nice in NVGs really

they never react to lasers unlike flashlights so

[half goblet]

that's exactly why i was asking, if they don't react, the NVG one is useless

[rocky plover]

Yea IR laser is illuminated more under nods

Can be seen kinda better

[hallow flower]

use jhp, play it slow, use free lean. cause if you use free lean and not show your self fully, enemy dont notice you, and yes you got free kill. fail? try again, you will get used to find the enemy. also use battle riffle, you can one shot the enemy

[wild crater]

Wait jhp is better for this?

[half goblet]

no armor = JHP

[hallow flower]

i research about this map, all enemy got no armor

[rocky plover]

Yea they unarmoured on hide and seek

[wild crater]

Oh I didn’t even know they had no armor thank you guys so much 🙏

[unkempt granite]

i lwk hate that swat ai doesn't tell you where exactly the suspects are when they use the optiwand

like atleast tell me their general direction

[vivid widget]

to be fair, it'd be kind of hard to code that and voice it accurately
imagine the sheer amount of voicelines you'd need

not to mention that the enemy could just move last second as your ai squad mate leaves the optiwad

i always use the optiwad myself, though i honestly kind of wish i could use a breach shotgun

[deep topaz]

Hungry strike is harder

[split scroll]

is it viable to use battlerifles for the solo ana?

i can hit heads with b1301 but sometimes 2 of them bum rush me and i cant kill the other

[unkempt granite]

if you're on commander what you can do is spawn in on parking lot, quickly clear with an M32A1 the first couple of rooms until there's a door that leads to a hallway that connects the kitchen and the main entrance, tell the swat ai to clear that hallway and kitchen while you clear upstairs

[hallow flower]

hanged man is harder

[deep topaz]

But finally get S score with bots

[unkempt granite]

any tips for hardmode a new america s rank?

[lost inlet]

hard or standard?

[split scroll]

hard

[lost inlet]

wait, let me guess. It's hard.

of course, hard is the only difficult you're allowed to play on anyway.

also no, use .300blk instead.

[vivid widget]

he just said s rank

means non-lethal

oh you’re replying to someone else

nvm lol

[storm belfry]

Indeed

That guy did say S rank

[lost inlet]

"is it viable to use battlerifles for the solo ana?"
where's the S rank part that i missed?

[vivid widget]

.

[storm belfry]

@lost inlet refer to this

[lost inlet]

yeah but i'm not talking to them.

[storm belfry]

Quite dubious

[vivid widget]

also am i the only one who noticed how the optiwad drastically lowers my fps when peeking under a door? the fps counter from my overlay goes up but it feels so much choppier than when i last played a few months ago

is this a new bug or something?

[lost inlet]

game loaded 2 worlds from my guessing.

you can put a cap on how much fps the wand has.

[vivid widget]

see that’s the thing, the actual fps number increases when i use mirror gun, but the actual footage itself feels very choppy

it’s very odd i’m not sure what causes it

[storm belfry]

The wand ability to shitafy the game should be studied

A tool THAT vital should be at least 1080p not 280p

[ocean steeple]

I love it when the MLO evolve to become completely immune to my flashbangs and beanbag rounds

[lost inlet]

they just shrugged them off almost instantly on hard.

so by the time you're recycled for the next shot, they're already done getting stun.

[rocky plover]

I used m32a1 launcher, 1 slot for taser, 1 slot for c2 and a couple wedges

Stab vest for more slots, can also use light armor if ya want

As for long tactical either mirrorgun or m320 launcher for more flashes

[ocean steeple]

I dont even mean they get stunned

they’ve literally just been eating them

[lost inlet]

rip.

[rocky plover]

Keep shooting until enough morale is dropped

While shouting for compliance

[ocean steeple]

I threw a flashbang directly through that top window in the registrar room after mirroring and seeing the dude

[rocky plover]

Make sure you're within 15m LoS

[ocean steeple]

he kicked down the door and killed me instantly

[rocky plover]

Damn

[ocean steeple]

i’m aware of what to do the issue is there’s no stun animation or anything 💀

I hit them in the stomach with a beanbag and they keep charging forwards and shooting

i flashbang a room they absorb it and immediately rush me

[rocky plover]

That's weird, they should at least shrug a bit to some point

[ocean steeple]

they like to track me without the IR lasers as well

[rocky plover]

Yeah that's very common, they hear and smell you from everywhere lol

[ocean steeple]

every once in a while i’ll be crouch walking without tripping any and one of them will either breach out of the room they were hiding in or book it around a corner and kill me

[rocky plover]

Yeah I feel like some of them are scripted to be like that

Like when you get to a certain spot, there's always going to be 1 or 2 guys that rush that spot once you're close

[ocean steeple]

its specifically on that first floor hallway between the wedding venue and registrar office

[rocky plover]

Yeah that's the most common I found, C2 came in clutch multiple times there

[ocean steeple]

the historical records room is also a pain in the ass bc you can only see the guy in there from one side with the mirror gun

[rocky plover]

I just place it, if they rush, boom easy arrest, if they don't I take my c2 back

[rocky plover]

Open door and peek around it like it's a corner

Or from above the door

Or from the window above the door

[unkempt granite]

Taser and flashes are the only thing that seems go work 100% of the time i swear

[ocean steeple]

You can’t do that in that room

[unkempt granite]

I would love to brkng pepperball or beanbag but MLO is immune to gas from what I've heard and beanbag is inconsistent a lot lf times

[ocean steeple]

its positioned so from that specific door you can’t see around the filing cabinets and there’s no opening above

[rocky plover]

From which side you're referring to?

Near the electrical room or from the other side? When approaching said room

[ocean steeple]

the one going through the copying room

[rocky plover]

Oh, you can either use the window above the door

Or peek door and use mirrorgun through the gap in the door

Very easy to spot him

[strong gull]

So is there only one way to get the launcher?

And that is buy the deluxe addition?

[rocky plover]

If approaching from the other side though gotta fully open door and peek around it like it's a corner

[rocky plover]

Or wait for next update they said they gonna give the triple weapon pack for free for console

It should have been with this last update but guess it got delayed

[strong gull]

Oh? That's good, it'll help

[ocean steeple]

I like taking the route through the electrical room side and then around to the wedding venue

[rocky plover]

Yea either side, there's a way to spot him

That floor is very easy anyways

The one above it is when it starts getting a bit crazy

And the top floor is the hardest

[ocean steeple]

yes ik i’ve almost S tiered it multiple times

[rocky plover]

Nice

[ocean steeple]

from my experience with how he’s positioned as well you can’t peek the door

he opens fire as soon as it even twitches

[rocky plover]

Really? That's weird, shouldn't happen if he doesn't see you

So either he's seeing you or you're running around with flashlight constantly on or something

[ornate kelp]

evening.

[dense coral]

i love peaking a corner and having a suspect shoot thru a civie at me

[dim leaf]

New America on hard mode is not for the weak, but it will make you weak

[dense coral]

I struggle enough trying to complete the game on standard, i dont even wanna attempt hard lol

[ocean steeple]

He’s always positioned so he can see that door

you can’t peek it open to mirror through and you cant see him when you mirror under it bc of the filing cabinets

[sturdy bison]

What weapon pack?

[dense coral]

just unlocked carriers of the vine and from what ive seen online im not looking forward to starting it lol

[sturdy bison]

It ain’t bad, well wasn’t for me

[dense coral]

just as long as its not on the same level of frustrating as greased palms was

[sturdy bison]

I can see it being annoying for those who do only non lethal stuff

[sturdy bison]

Missed evidence or you got killed there to much?

[dense coral]

kept dying or losing an officer

i failed it so much i quit playing for a few months and only recently came back and completed it

[sturdy bison]

I exploited the stupid AI in that mission

From what I remember

[obsidian hornet]

I think it would be cool if, whenever they resurrect PVP, one side would be SWAT and the other side would be the MLO commandos

[sturdy bison]

This game doesn’t need PvP, I say, waste o time, I hate PvP trash

[gritty coyote]

The shotgun is just OP

rifle can kill but doesn't reliably stun the enemy with 1st hit.
Shotgun always stuns

[obsidian hornet]

This is a weird take

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to play it bro

Things you don't like are allowed to exist

What a strange, self-centered take

[gritty coyote]

I mean, it's just an opinion. people are free to hate stuff

[gritty coyote]

nothing really is like greased palm

[tidal sleet]

I don’t really get why people want PvP in the first place it’s PvE

[gritty coyote]

everyone will move slowly and peek angles

tbh pvp will kinda expose how the game's combat is meant to be seen as puzzle solving instead of a competition between players

[tidal sleet]

It’d really just teach you to move quicker

[gritty coyote]

if they make a pvp mode where we can all move faster, that would be quite something

[tidal sleet]

Especially at doors

[sweet fractal]

hard is hell

[tidal sleet]

or in a hallway

[sweet fractal]

i wish we had a pvp but both sides have VOIP

[gritty coyote]

I would say hard is hell a week ago but after playing hard solo I think now I'm pretty fine with it. The enemies aren't a challenge if you crouch lean.

[sweet fractal]

you can hear someone when theyre in local

[gritty coyote]

I just blasted my way through neon tomb with a shotgun and felt like the Doom Marine

[tidal sleet]

I always stuck with rifles

[gritty coyote]

try shotgun. I just tried it too. Basically rifles can lead to exchanges where both you and the enemy trade shots.
But shotgun stops cold the enemy always as it is hard to miss and one hit will stun them

[tidal sleet]

my thing is I don’t really trust games with the spread of the pellets

[gritty coyote]

nah the shotgun is a monster at range. at the start of neon tomb, looking from the double door that leads to the dance floor ? I oneshot an enemy at the other end of the dance floor in the head

you just will do a headshot with the shotgun

[tidal sleet]

ok good to know it’s more realistic than most games

[gritty coyote]

I think only hide and seek or some obscenely long places where you might be worried

but the indoor maps are no problem

I love it. Now I think I will roll with shotgun unless there is a hostage situation (curse you hunger strike)

in fact now I am thinking something quite dangerous
maybe there should be something above Hard

[tidal sleet]

I know one mod adds more difficulties

but can’t remember the name

[bitter mason]

Ill start truly believing its that when they make suspect behaviours more varied in aggression

And remove that damn stress feature

[gritty coyote]

the enemy AI is already the best in the business.
Some push, some reposition and camp, some flank.
I wish Stalker was like that (they always push and funnel towards choke point to die)

[bitter mason]

It's not terrible but it feels too focused on combat and less on escalation and diffusing

[gritty coyote]

and amongst the enemies that camp, some only half camp, waiting for you to cross some threshold before they "run the rabbit"

oh, you mean you want to focus on nonlethal play

[bitter mason]

No i mean suspects in general are almost always looking for a fight and the stress mechanic doesn't help
They only hesitate and run without shooting when their stress is low and that only stays low of you dont engage with any of the tools you have

[gritty coyote]

stress stays low if you do nonlethal and don't kill anyone

[bitter mason]

Suspects also rarely hide in closets or under beds. If they camp a room they often just stand in place usually in an awkward spot that doesn't give them an advantage

[bitter mason]

Stress will go up with literally anything even if you make arrests

And anything will snowball the map into a shootout

[gritty coyote]

it will always go up, but it's a relative comparison to lethal.

[bitter mason]

They need to blur the line between a lethal run and a non lethal run

[gritty coyote]

when I watch others play nonlethal I realize that the enemies start executing hostages way later than my lethal run

and they respond more slowly during breach too

it's just something you notice when you make a relative comparison, but yes nonlethal runs will still result in fights

I guess it's a balancing act because the enemies aren't guaranteed to comply even after a bunch of beans

I think the effects of bean are drastically reduced on Hard too

well bad luck for my nonlethal fella but I'm here to execute anyone with a gun

[bitter mason]

Its just annoying for suspect stress to snowball so much
I prefer to play with lethal loadouts but still prioritise life and it becomes so obvious how bad the stress mechanic is

[gritty coyote]

someone here suggested a team full of people rocking rotary launcher flashbang. Maybe that's the superior nonlethal play.

[bitter mason]

You get maybe the first few suspects with low stress then maybe a single guy spots you through some clunky geometry and starts shooting then suddenly the whole map is hyper aggressive
Surrenders from hesitation also feel weirdly forced rather than actually coming from the suspects morale value

[bitter mason]

It is
its op

[gritty coyote]

then is the problem solved ?

[bitter mason]

I'm not going for s rank or anything I just want the suspects to feel less one note compared to swat 4

[gritty coyote]

I want nonlethal to be an interesting option rather than just 2 or 3 different weapons

as for now, playing nonlethal discards 90% of the iconic armory

thanks but no thanks

[bitter mason]

The game shouldn't simply be
Take Non lethal = arrests
Take Lethal = kill everyone
But it does feel like that's how it goes

[gritty coyote]

for a while I got a bunch of A+ runs because I let my teammates rock nonlethal while I arm myself lethal

[bitter mason]

Yes you're still relying on non lethals
Plenty of times I get an A or even S with nothing but lethals but a lot of the time especially depending on the map design things just devolve into a shootout

[gritty coyote]

hmm what do you want then ?

reduced stress buildup?

[bitter mason]

Remove the stress mechanic entirely
Suspect hesitation is based off a chance that changes with a suspects skill level or lore context
Suspect aggression also based off of chance depending on skill level or lore context.

[gritty coyote]

if you do that then lethal runs will become vastly easier than nonlethal runs
because the latter always runs the risk of the enemy not complying
but the former now has enemies that will respond slower

[bitter mason]

For example all through volls health house each suspect can be hesitant to fight or aggressive and as a player you have to be careful not to gun down everyone since some might give up easier than others

Its too easy now to see a suspect and know they are going to instantly start shooting

[gritty coyote]

speaking of "not to gun down everyone" did they change what counts as unauthorized force at some point

because now I'm pretty much just blasting some armed fool from behind and I don't get penalized for not shouting

[bitter mason]

I dont see how it will make non lethals harder
None lethals are just to ensure suspects surrender as an extra precaution rather than a requirement

[bitter mason]

Yes they changed it during early access because it was unreliable and never reverted or improved it

[gritty coyote]

will make non lethals harder
harder than lethal, that is

[bitter mason]

If anything it should be harder because its for getting a better score

Youre sacrificing stopping power for more assurance you will make an arrest

Less lethals also need some more counters
Thick armour should block tasers and reduce beanbag effectiveness
Gasmask suspects on vanilla maps should actually be immune to CS and pepper. Since only one is on lethal obsession

Higher skill suspects could get less morale impact from gas and flashes

[gritty coyote]

we only have 2 or 3 nonlethal guns and you want to make pepper useless ?

[bitter mason]

Against people wearing gasmasks

Which there isn't many

[gritty coyote]

but would you bring a primary weapon that can't handle some suspects ?

honestly the game is already monotonous enough with nonlethal selections

[bitter mason]

Because other suspects can be delt with
Pepperballs got nerfed hard in 1.0
But not every level has a suspect with a gasmask and not every level should

You should take your equipment depending on the scenario

The newest dlc has suspects immune to gas and pepper, they just need to port that functionality to the appropriate enemies in the vanilla game

[gritty coyote]

another reason for me to be glad I'm not doing nonlethal anymore

there is a single nonlethal shotgun

[bitter mason]

It adds more depth to non lethal to have things you need to consider
If you take pepperballs be sure you have a backup incase suspects have a gasmask on some levels or simply dont take the pepperballs
If suspects have armour to either negate or reduce the effect of a beanbag shotgun. Shoot them in the legs or arms where they aren't armoured, or bring something else like a pepperball

Thats actual depth
Suspects being able to flank you with perfect knowledge of every locked door and your precise location through walls isn't that in depth its cheap

[gritty coyote]

that's apples and oranges
former is rock paper scissors, latter is enemy movement

and no, enemy does not know your precise location through walls

[bitter mason]

Okay but rock paper scissors does let you choose what to take and there are ways of getting around it. If a suspect cant be gassed use a flashbang, stinger or taser
You can bring more than one option to deal with suspects and its about coming prepared

[gritty coyote]

proof of this is here
https://youtu.be/Ktoc3rkTRHw?t=488

In this final fight, the enemy backs off, and tries to flank the player. But the player has moved out of the way, and thus the enemy himself gets ambushed

that makes me appreciate the enemy AI so much more

[bitter mason]

Still could be way better

Its in the best form it has ever been but still needs serious improvements and changes

[gritty coyote]

yeah but I notice the gas mask vs pepper thing, that's not really about AI is it

[bitter mason]

It kinda is

Ai having immunities or even weaknesses is part of the ai

[gritty coyote]

yeah I don't call that AI. that's just equipment.

[bitter mason]

Thats just one thing I talked about
I already mentioned the stress system and having suspects actually hide and take position rather than stand around with their guns pointed or wander back and forth aimlessly

[bitter mason]

Its how the equipment interact with the ai

And adding more depth to gameplay against the ai

[gritty coyote]

suspects actually hide and take position
but they do this. in fact they do this annoyingly well. Whenever they reposition it's always at a spot that's not immediately clear to me.

[bitter mason]

Thats why you need to clear rooms thoroughly

[gritty coyote]

the worst map where this happens is Leviathan

if you let an enemy run away they will run into any room on the same level

thus you have to clear the whole thing again

[bitter mason]

And i mean if they are in a room and know you're coming they should run to a corner or behind cover and crouch down rather than just stand around waiting like they usually do

[gritty coyote]

that does happen. like on hunger strike they will take cover at the door to the staircase.

[bitter mason]

There's an added challenge to the "puzzle" of preventing said suspect from running away without shooting them and breaking roe.
Use door wedges to cut off their escape or use your team to cover exit points

[bitter mason]

They take cover but usually when they're already in combat

I mean when holding a position in a room preparing for you to breach

If there are suspects waiting for you in a room they often just stand around aiming their guns or walking back and forth awkwardly

It doesn't feel natural and often times can be annoying to deal with when they're stood in a weird spot

Suspects dont really feel smart outside of the flanking

And sometimes when they run

[gritty coyote]

they run the rabbit (horizontal rambo)

[bitter mason]

And its often total bs lol

[gritty coyote]

that's the most impressive kind of maneuver that usually gets me killed. why can't I run so fast

[rocky plover]

Idk what to tell you I can do it just fine

[bitter mason]

Spam full auto fire at you
There's no specific limb damage for suspects
They can swing doors open with their minds and are generally to damn aggressive

[gritty coyote]

you have a point. Some suspects should stand around, while some should hide behind some cover.
I guess I never noticed because the enemy AI is just so cracked they are a threat regardless of cover

[rocky plover]

The one from console update

[bitter mason]

They also only need like a frame of seeing you to shoot and will continue to track you for a short time through walls if they had los for even a second

[bitter mason]

Thats the thing they should be less "cracked" and more smart playing into stricter roe depending on a mission

[gritty coyote]

that is believable for me if it's for a short time. humans can guess where the enemy position hovers around for a short time

[bitter mason]

Back to the stress system. It makes suspects point their guns when stressed even when they are not in direct combat and personally I think that's bad
A suspect pointing their gun should be valid targets for roe across all mission types and so they should only point their guns when holding a doorway or when actively engaging in combat
Otherwise their gun should be lowered

[bitter mason]

Yeah but they dont guess
They know

Its not shooting at your last known location
Its shooting at you through walls

[gritty coyote]

I have seen them try to wall bang me before. And I have often been able to move out of the way and they shoot at nothing. They don't know all that much

[bitter mason]

Ive had one perfectly track me even when I changed direction

[gritty coyote]

if there is a short time for their knowledge it must be woefully short

[bitter mason]

Depends if they see you first or not

If they are firing through a door you kicked they just shoot the door
If they see you and start shooting they dont lose actual sight of you until a few seconds or so of broken los

[gritty coyote]

like for instance I just did Stolen Valor, shot some fools through walls, they ran towards opening the door but I had already moved to the side of the building, and I was able to flank the guy that ran outside. I don't believe they have any kind of wallhack

[bitter mason]

They do often see you through walls if they hear you but dont shoot unless they have line of sight. Idk if it still exists but I remember suspects having a counter wall bang behaviour where they shoot back at you if you wall bang them

[gritty coyote]

wallhacking AI would be something like in Stalker 2

the enemies just all funnel towards me and I just need to set up a choke point

like a door. and they all die on the doorstep

[bitter mason]

I have that happen a lot in ron lol

Used to be worse but it still happens sometimes

[gritty coyote]

that's when the RON AI chooses to push. Not all enemies push. I don't know what determines that behavior, but it's quite varied

[bitter mason]

Probably just randomised

[gritty coyote]

yeah I just need Stalker 2 to do that.

[bitter mason]

I find it more enjoyable when im breaching rooms on enemies that are being defensive rather than dealing with hyperactive speedsofters

[gritty coyote]

half and half. if they all stay defensive you don't have any unpredictability

an enemy deciding to run the rabbit when you get near the door? well that's quite a memorable death

I die with begrudging respect

[bitter mason]

Already you hardly have unpredictability
I see a suspect and if the stress is high I know he's going to instantly start shooting and not stop

[gritty coyote]

shooting isn't movement.

[bitter mason]

I just disagree with this games challenge being trial and error dying over and over to dodgy ai and instead death be from actual tactical blunders and not because you didn't twitch shoot the sidestrafing quake god fast enough

[gritty coyote]

sidestrafing quake god is a good description

[bitter mason]

Someone shoots they get shot back. Thats the extent of engagements
Movement is still usually predictable
If they charge me im ready if they dont I can presume they flank and deal with them

[gritty coyote]

It's the movement that feels unpredictable to me

[bitter mason]

I know how a suspect will react to seeing me most of the time
Thats predictability
Having every suspect act differently on a level, weather that's having them hesitate, run away without shooting, fake surrender, real surrender or fight is unpredictable

And how much they do these things changing depending on the level also shakes things up

Drug addicts on meth should be completely upredictable
Some give up, some run some fight you can never know for sure
Neon tomb you can assume most will fight but throwing in some more hesitant suspects keeps you on your toes and forces you to follow roe instead of just shooting everyone on sight

[gritty coyote]

Yeah I know your concern about doing arrests. But I'm just here to shoot terrorists. Like in stalker 2 I don't wonder if an enemy will surrender. That's a different kind of variety, one for an arrest enjoyer. I'm happy with everyone trying to shoot me

[bitter mason]

Thats my problem the game is appealing to people that just want a navy seal sim

The game needs to make up its mind if it wants to be a successor to rainbow six or to swat 4

It has the suspect ai and combat fit for a rainbow six game but the mechanics for a swat game and they do not mix well

[gritty coyote]

Nonlethal gameplay is indeed severely crippled and lacking in appeal and options at present

Give more nonlethal guns

The new pistol is just completely sucky

[bitter mason]

Thats where im saying the line between lethal and non lethal should be blurred
Non lethal weapons should just be a way to ensure you get arrests with their own challenges to overcome

[tacit gull]

Ironically enough right now less lethal is both safer and faster than lethals, the whole way the shooting works is if you don't have a weapon that can instakill a target you will get chip damaged to hell and back and less lethals will usually stun suspects before they can even get a shot off

that is atleast if the hitboxes dont shit themselves with something like the beanbag

[gritty coyote]

a lethal shotgun will stun in one hit

[tacit gull]

And since as celdis said suspect equipment basically isn't a thing there's no downsides to using the flashbang launcher or grenades or tasers or anything of that nature

[gritty coyote]

You're just looking at a common property of shotguns

[tacit gull]

yeah but the suspects can also just cancel the animation mid play on hard

and it will only do that if you hit the chest

[hallow flower]

but whats for the new nonlethal guns? i mean RoN will take preference on real life. i cant think of other example other then current stuff applied on RoN

[tacit gull]

meanwhile the beanbag can hit anywhere but the head

[tacit gull]

we already have simunition guns in the game, the problem with that is how do you balance them

[gritty coyote]

I'm not a weapon expert. But we are missing rubber bullets

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-MIGRATION/PROTEST-LOSANGELES-WEAPONS/zdpxalxkyvx/

[hallow flower]

just search google and thats cool. but if added, might be cause balance like you said, pepper gun might became useless.
imagine beanbag shotgun but you can spray it.

[tacit gull]

https://klipy.com/gifs/riddler-paul-dano-1--k01KQ9MVJC0G4YRTB6VTZCWYAC2

[gritty coyote]

Also foam rounds

[tacit gull]

yeah give us nerf guns

oh wait we already have the trpl

there's also stuff like baton rounds for grenade launchers

[gritty coyote]

The pistol that runs out of ammo immediately

[tacit gull]

the pistol that can spend its entire magazine on one (1) suspect

[hallow flower]

that might confuse enemy, wether they need to play or continue their own mission. hmmmm confusion tactics

[rocky plover]

They should have left the way beanbag used to be tbh

[tacit gull]

which way is that

cause it used to be a lot of ways

[rocky plover]

Being able to hit heads with it and just stuns them like c2 does (for a couple seconds makes them unconscious)

[tacit gull]

I mean from a gameplay perspective that could set it apart more yeah

[rocky plover]

I mean the m32a1 is already op as hell, won't hurt to buff the beanbag a little bit

[tacit gull]

but i guarantee you they made it one shot to the head because their police advisor woke up from his coma and decided to comment on that one thing

[rocky plover]

Why punish us for actually being able to hit a headshot 🤣

[tacit gull]

and in doing that made the swat ai even more useless

for a while

the thing is if the taser animations come out this century that won't matter

[rocky plover]

Yea I mean from a realistic perspective I agree but almost nothing is realistic in this to begin with, so might as well

[tacit gull]

because the taser will just ragdoll people

[rocky plover]

Yeah that would be nice as well

[tacit gull]

we need mods to introduce features that can be added within a day that are taking actual years

[rocky plover]

Haha ikr

The thing is they still need to be implemented in the actual game for the sake of consoles lol

[tacit gull]

what's even funnier is some intern at void put the taser animations in one of those dogshit new trailers lmao

[rocky plover]

Lmao

Was it an oversight? Or just a tease type of thing that made it to stay on the trailer?

[tacit gull]

actually i wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be in boiling point but they cut it last second because it broke

[rocky plover]

Highly likely

[hallow flower]

imo, if you buff beanbag shotgun, it will be unfair, cuz i know m32a1 is op, but you cant just spam since limited ammo.while if beanbag allowed to headshot, gonna be easy to use and beanbag got pretty enough ammo cap. if you compare with pepper ball gun, yeah much more weak cause the inconsistency

[rocky plover]

I wouldn't say it will be easy to use, you still need to hit your shots, especially a headshot but going for headshot would give you a bonus over a torso or limb shot instead of actually penalising you

[tacit gull]

the pepperball should also one shot suspects to the head but get them stunned

4 shots to the body 1 to the head

[rocky plover]

Pepperguns are just worse than beanbag right now tbh

[tacit gull]

and the difference would be made by suspect equipment

[rocky plover]

Yeah

[tacit gull]

it's really not that hard guys

add suspect helmets boom no more beanbag 1 shot to the head

add suspect armor

add gas masks

flash goggles anti m32

and its peak its REALLY NOT THAT HARD

[rocky plover]

Half of the stuff is already there just cosmetic lol, just need to make them work properly

[tacit gull]

no dude its not even there are MECHANICS in THE GAME to make theese work

they are just NOT APPLIED

[vestal cliff]

Is Beanbag actually good?

[rocky plover]

Thats what I mean

They have helmets on mindjot for example but it's cosmetic

[tacit gull]

its fine, just outclassed by the m32a1

[rocky plover]

Some have sunglasses that could work like anti flash of some sort

[rocky plover]

As gratr said, still better than pepperballs imo though

[bitter mason]

Beanbag was the best less lethal before the gl was added

[rocky plover]

Yea

[tacit gull]

yeah the pepperballs are just not worth using because you will get fucking unloaded on in the time it take you to shoot 4 balls

[bitter mason]

Pepperballs are just kinda ass atm

[hallow flower]

dependable gun. the strongest gun for s? nope. but if you are solo, item slot is limited, using m32a1 is tricky, so if you need more ammo, beanbag is the choice

[gritty coyote]

A helmet doesn't quite protect against blunt force

All the force still transfers

[tacit gull]

bump helmets

are a thing

its also a videogame

a currently very poorly balanced videogame

[rocky plover]

Yea keep it simple for game sake

[bitter mason]

They could also add some actual locational damage for suspects and different staggers

[tacit gull]

No its not lmao there is like 1 level in the game where you might run out of ammo

[bitter mason]

Hit someone in the helmet with a beanbag it staggers them and stops them from shooting but not as effective as a complete stun

[rocky plover]

There's more than 1 tbh if going solo

[tacit gull]

right just regular stun maybe

or same as armor stun

[bitter mason]

Same could be with pepperballs making them stagger or flinch at first then a real stun

[tacit gull]

they can use the gas stun where they can still move around

if the suspects have armor

or protection against a certain less lethal

so its not complete bullshit

[bitter mason]

And something i really really want is being able to disarm suspects with damage to their arm

And limping when damaging the leg

[tacit gull]

i havent run out of ammo on anything but 3lt and even then there was like 2 suspects left that i tased

[bitter mason]

Literally any decent feedback

[tacit gull]

This is a slippery slope because on swat 4 it just became the ultimate cheese for the game

[rocky plover]

Hide and seek?

[bitter mason]

Feels good as hell to do tho

[hallow flower]

i mean like you cant just spam, i think its hard on hide and seek, if you could stun once and they instant surrender, you are lucky. but this area is huge. hard to make enemy surender, sometimes it took 3 ammo. its possible but hard. thats why beanbag is much dependable imo

[rocky plover]

On standard that might be true, but eh on hard highly likely to run out of ammo cos they don't surrender always in 1 shot and also gotta keep in mind in case they get back up

[hallow flower]

i feel your pain bro

[tacit gull]

well i dunno i did the whole game on hard when it came out spamming the gl and i had absolutely zero resistance on anything

[bitter mason]

Plus with ready or nots gunplay and animations id would probably be a bit harder to be as precise

[rocky plover]

On 3lt solo I had to use beanbag, cos with stab vest all slots towards m32a1 + 4 extra flash from m320 still wasn't enough for example

[tacit gull]

No? Swat 4 had the bloom, you didn't have 100% accurate shots, it would be the complete opposite with how static ron's guns are

There's not even any hand shaking basically

[bitter mason]

I suppose

Suspects are more mobile in ron tho ig

[tacit gull]

it became a MASSIVE issue on SEF where you had the ads

[rocky plover]

Well getting lucky with instant surrenders and being able to restrain them before getting back up, yes that can work, but not really consistent

[tacit gull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Never had any issue, as long as atleast 1 or 2 or 3 flashbangs hit more than one suspect your ammo economy will never run out

[rocky plover]

Yea but be realistic how often does that happen?

[tacit gull]

its exactly why the m32 is so fucked

[tacit gull]

More than you think

You are not really going to have a level where every single flashbang hits only one suspect

[rocky plover]

Ehh depends

[tacit gull]

even in 3lt you have that room with like 8 suspects that can get obliterated by a bang

[bitter mason]

Plus if youve got bots with you thats just more

[tacit gull]

yeah that to

[rocky plover]

We're saying solo

[tacit gull]

if the swat get like 2 bangs off its over

[rocky plover]

Not with bots

With bots it's viable

But completely solo, you'll run out of ammo for sure on a couple maps

Especially on hard where stun duration is much lower

[hallow flower]

unless like you said, 1 shot got multiple, instant surrender, no get up

[rocky plover]

Exactly, literally needs a perfect scenario

Which rarely happens

[tacit gull]

Its genuienly not even that rare, you need that to happen like once or twice a mission

if its literally THE biggest missions in the game

otherwise it doesn't matter

and the more suspects there are the more likely that is to happen

[hallow flower]

i think it depend on the map right, if inside room its possible, but i think in open area, enemy are scattered around, a bit harder to meet that chance

or huge map

[tacit gull]

like for example on port

on port you dont even need the mgl for the devil's asshole, you can clear that whole thing with the taser

[rocky plover]

Lol

[tacit gull]

but if there's like 3 enemies there you just win the lottery

[rocky plover]

Especially when they get stubborn with morale sharing uhhh

[hallow flower]

wait that thing exist?

never knew about

[rocky plover]

If they are close to each other yes

Less likely to give up

[tacit gull]

I can understand why they did it to be fair lmao

cause in sef you would just pepper a suspect and an entire room would give up

[hallow flower]

true

[rocky plover]

Yea lmao

[tacit gull]

i can understand both approaches

its just that for ron its just more shit on top of the pile

[rocky plover]

Yea pretty much

[tacit gull]

suspects never surrender so lets make them surrender less

obviously

[rocky plover]

Just remembered when the bomb vests on neon tomb had the chance of never surrendering no matter what you do

I think it was right when 1.0 dropped

[hallow flower]

even get stun by beanbag and flash?

[rocky plover]

Yeah literally nothing, bash, 4 taser shots, taser bash

[tacit gull]

no yeah it was hard coded

if they started charging you they would NEVER surrender

[rocky plover]

Had to restart if you were going for S

[hallow flower]

bruh very well balanced by dev HAHAHAHAHA

[tacit gull]

1.0 was dogshit

literally the worst state the game has ever been in i think even the prealpha might have been better

[rocky plover]

Yeah I remember valley of the dolls being way harder than greased palms when 1.0 dropped lol

Both were hard due to sight lines but votd they were literally shooting through everything

The kitchen area was insane

[tacit gull]

yeah no i remember the ai could should through the entire map

[rocky plover]

Exactly lol

[hallow flower]

but i still felt the difficult part in valley of doll, especially during the stair, got sniped from below

[tacit gull]

and there was so much bullshit like the curtains on the bottom floor

you would just get destroyed without the enemy even rendering in

[rocky plover]

Yea I couldn't see shit through the blinds and windows, yet they had perfect vision and accuracy

[tacit gull]

the middle of the house was basically off limits

[rocky plover]

Yea lmao

[hallow flower]

enemy got ultra instinct

[rocky plover]

It was actually more insane than greased palms for me

[tacit gull]

the strat was to clear the rest of the map and have the ai tank the middle of the house

because back then they were atleast a little capable of shooting

[rocky plover]

Yup

Now they stare at the suspects and when they are about to die they wake up and start shooting

[tacit gull]

oh dude

and the fucking

less lethal

couldnt break windows

or no

windows couldnt break

[rocky plover]

Ye it couldn't

[tacit gull]

they could break but the collision stayed there

[rocky plover]

Had to take a lethal secondary for windows

[tacit gull]

so less lethal was literally impossible unless no suspects were on the windows

[rocky plover]

Which was annoying

[tacit gull]

what a fucking embarrassment that was and the game is still reeling in from it

[rocky plover]

[tacit gull]

all of the dogshit armor changes on the suspects have 1.0 to blame

[rocky plover]

Don't think you could bash windows either

Back then

[tacit gull]

nope that was home invasion

[rocky plover]

Yea

[hallow flower]

how old is 1.0 version?

[tacit gull]

uhhh

[rocky plover]

And throwing flashes through windows didn't destroy windows either it just bounced to your face lol

[tacit gull]

3 years old

or well 2 and some change

[hallow flower]

so they manage to fix most of the complaint.

[tacit gull]

no lmao

[hallow flower]

is it about hard difficulty?

[tacit gull]

hard difficulty was not in 1.0, that's recent

1.0 was hard difficulty cranked up

[rocky plover]

Yeah 1.0 was way harder than hard mode

[tacit gull]

that was just the default plus worse

[hallow flower]

HAHAHAHa lucky i just played recently

[tacit gull]

suspects dealt max damage shooting through walls

[hallow flower]

prob start a month ago

[tacit gull]

and they tracked you for 6 seconds

[vestal cliff]

Is it just me or are shotguns a bit too lethal for this game

[tacit gull]

so the ai could shoot you through walls as if you were out in the open and you could not fire back

[rocky plover]

I remember going through all the maps again for S AGAIN

[vestal cliff]

Like is there a way to just pacify with shotguns or what

[rocky plover]

And it was hell

[rocky plover]

They're the most op shit after the m32a1

[hallow flower]

beanbag shotgun hahah

[tacit gull]

why would there be a way to do that with one of the deadliest close range weapons

[rocky plover]

Ye this was super annoying

[vestal cliff]

I don't know, I shot up the gas station in Mission 1 with a rifle and I didn't have to report any deaths

[rocky plover]

And steel wasnt that good back then either due to the damage cap bug

[tacit gull]

yeah ceramic was it

you got 4 hits

[rocky plover]

So the only option was ceramic

[vestal cliff]

On the topic of shotguns, how good are slugs compared to regular buck

[tacit gull]

otherwise you could go fuck yourself

[rocky plover]

Yea lmao

[tacit gull]

kind of pointless if you have a rifle

the main good thing about shotguns is they can instakill on limbs

[rocky plover]

Might as well use a rifle tbh, single projectile, buckshot is way deadlier

[hallow flower]

for range slugs better then regular buck

[tacit gull]

not even true since shotguns can gib at any range

[vestal cliff]

Right. Don't you need to avoid killing anyone for S rank or whatever?

[tacit gull]

yes

[rocky plover]

Buckshot still has very good range

[vestal cliff]

...So Shotguns are pretty much just for Punisher runs

[hallow flower]

use less lethal gun or launcher

[rocky plover]

There's a reason many are using a shotgun for programmed psychosis achievement, enough said lol

[hallow flower]

do you know the modifier shotgun for increase accuracy stuff name?, thats just making buck shot, but better in range hahaha. slug pretty much useless

[vestal cliff]

Also, since I'm a new player, any tips for using Beanbag effectively? The guys just get back up and keep shooting.

(Haven't tried launcher yet)

[rocky plover]

Spread choke, again pretty useless tbh, spread was already tightened with Adam update and 12g brake is better

[tacit gull]

i guess just shout after every use

[naive marsh]

When will these fuckass protests end

[hallow flower]

i think he forgot to yell hahaha

[naive marsh]

I want bob back

[rocky plover]

Probably years from now

[naive marsh]

When the update comes…

[tacit gull]

who the fuck is bob

[naive marsh]

The bullet collector

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-6291937884935153335

[hallow flower]

bob the builder
CAN WE FIX IT?

[rocky plover]

No we can't

[tacit gull]

no its fucked

[rocky plover]

[hallow flower]

hahahahah

[naive marsh]

I need sbdy to shoot at

I alr s ranked a new america twice

[hallow flower]

hard standard?

[rocky plover]

On hard?

[hallow flower]

solo?

[naive marsh]

B on hard s on standart

[rocky plover]

Ok do it on hard

[naive marsh]

Fuh nuh

They will be busting my head like a rocket

[rocky plover]

That's what I did, I had S on standard and B on hard as well then I said fuck it S on hard it is

Since it was the only one I had left for S on hard

[naive marsh]

I might do it with 16 people

[wind gyro]

@vapid flicker pre-order weapons become free on july 15th for ronsole users

[hallow flower]

listen its easy, just do it. you only need to catch the suspect guys. what so hard about it

[naive marsh]

It’s not

[hallow flower]

HHAHAHAHAHAHA

[naive marsh]

They will headshot u if ur late a single ms

[hallow flower]

theres an easy solution, shoot faster than them. easy right?

im asking to get punched hahhaha

[rocky plover]

[naive marsh]

I am not a navy seal mate

[hallow flower]

i watch some video on youtube, even ex navy seal complain about the reaction time. hahahaha like its to unrealistic

[naive marsh]

yeah

[lost inlet]

@vestal cliff what're you wondering about?

[naive marsh]

with mode removing wall hacks and 50 ms reaction time from them it's pretty easy

and 360 degrees vision

and aimbot

[hallow flower]

dev be like, you guys dont want 25 ms? okay im gonna set to 10 ms

[rocky plover]

Hahahahah

[hallow flower]

this one still managable, just shoot them before they turn around, but if you miss it, yeah bye bye

[rocky plover]

Then say suspect reaction time is fixed, when in reality it's not 🤣

On hard mode^

[tacit gull]

"the ai is always improving"

look inside

"the ai is constantly getting worse for no reason"

[hallow flower]

you got 4 swat ai bot.
buggy
command, hold at spawn.
proceed solo

[rocky plover]

I swear they would still probably die by a suspect scattering around

[tacit gull]

you either have A. SWAT ai that cant walk into rooms facing forward and killing themselves by going across the entire map to pick up an empy pm

[lost inlet]

reminder that dev nerfed SWAT bots again by taking away their grenade cheat throw.

[rocky plover]

Lmao

[tacit gull]

or B. SWAT ai that cant shoot suspects a centimeter away from them

[rocky plover]

Yeah

[tacit gull]

and cant even get grenades in rooms anymore, ignoring the fact that them being able to throw them in the past didnt mean anything because of how the grenades work

[rocky plover]

Yeah true

[sweet fractal]

my ai bots throw the flash at the door and not innthe room

[rocky plover]

Especially with stingers, god they're awful with it

[tacit gull]

genuienly just dont bother giving them any utility untill they add grenade trading

[rocky plover]

But they do it with all utility

So just use them for wedges and c2 only lol

[tacit gull]

the player is the only one capable of doing anything with grenades

[rocky plover]

Or just don't use them at all

Probably better

[tacit gull]

C2 also doesnt really do anything unless there's a suspect behind the door so it just creates more visual clutter for you

[rocky plover]

Yea just use it for those occasions only or when suspects likes to rush outside a door

Especially on ANA lol

[tacit gull]

that's also such a ridiculous decision like what the fuck are we thinking

oh yeah this is hard mode lets just make this equipment not do anything

because its hard mode

???

[rocky plover]

🤣

And increasing suspects weapons firerate on hard mode, like wtf?

Like more suspects makes sense but this??!

+50% with rifles, no wonder it feels like you get dropped in 1 shot WITH armor

[tacit gull]

yeah why do rifles, THE STRONGEST WEAPON TYPE IN THE GAME get the biggest buff

[rocky plover]

Yeah lmao

[tacit gull]

did the guy who did the values think they were bolt action

[rocky plover]

Hahahah probably

Or was playing bingo

[distant rose]

how do i complete Elephant without the hostages getting killed within 2 seconds?

[tacit gull]

you clear the level within 2 minutes

[rocky plover]

Don't waste time on bombs and civilians and weapons

Get the suspects under 2.5 mins

[lost inlet]

even though those don't exists in game.

[tacit gull]

dude i swear they got some fucking rando on the street to do their game balancing

like someone who never even saw the game running for a milisecond

[rocky plover]

Yeah sadly

[tacit gull]

its so so fucking depressing to think how little work would be required to just make this feel good bro

shitty animations and everything be damned just make the gameplay loop make sense and be engaging

[rocky plover]

Don't even get me started with the dark waters animations

[tacit gull]

the fucking new grenade throw animation

it just looks worse

the new arrest animations are bad

the new gun animations are ok but just dont fit with the game at all

and are REALLY bad in gameplay

[rocky plover]

Yea I hate how all the new weapons are not coming loaded with a round in the chamber already lol

[tacit gull]

even more fucking menial chores to do every time the mission starts

[rocky plover]

Or have to switch the safety on and off every time -_-

[tacit gull]

pull out primary, full auto

pull out secondary

wait for animation to finish

holster

[rocky plover]

Yeah......

[tacit gull]

pull out primary again

like are we fucking serious right now

[rocky plover]

Pull out taser switch on laser so it will be ready

And all the other crap

[tacit gull]

such

simple

fixes

that nobody at void gives a fuck to tackle

maybe in the next 3 years we get theese fixed

[rocky plover]

🤷

[tacit gull]

like we got basic QOL like being able to change your loadout between rounds

3 YEARS

after the game came out

[rocky plover]

While it's convenient, I kinda hate it as well

Just made it longer to restart

Cos have to go through 2 separate loading screens

[tacit gull]

if everyone readies up its just slightly longer, atleast that van screen has a reason to exist now

[lost inlet]

still waiting for being able to pull your pistol out while your primary is reloading because that's the entire fucking purpose of secondary in the first place.

[rocky plover]

I would have made it as an option like they did with quickplay - either go directly into mission or in HQ

[tacit gull]

no dude copying what insurgency did like 4 years earlier too hard

[lost inlet]

but nah, you gotta finished reloading your primary first then you're allowed to pull out your pistol.

[rocky plover]

Yeah even ground branch has this lmao

But Ron doesn't -_-

[lost inlet]

EVERY SHOOTER GAME HAS THIS.

[tacit gull]

not true

but call of duty does

siege does

and they added that recently lmao

[rocky plover]

Hahahaha ikr might as well use the already reloaded primary at that point - IF you're still alive

[lost inlet]

really?

[tacit gull]

i'm pretty sure insurgency like set the standard for that

i cant think of a game that did staged reloads beforehand

there might be

[lost inlet]

every shooter game i've encountered has switching to your pistol without having to finished reloading your primary implemented.

[tacit gull]

well ok

switching to your pistol yeah

but not remembering the current state of your weapon as you do it

some games have reload cancelling for that

still not all of them though

[lost inlet]

oh right, gun's not finished reloading cause your left hand isn't back to holding the grip so you gotta do it all again.

[tacit gull]

the thing is with ron

reloading your gun with the borderline RIDICULOUS reload speeds is faster than switching guns anyway

because the animation for that is longer

[rocky plover]

Especially if holding a shotgun or a rifle like the mk17

Switching to pistol feels like I'm taking out my sleeping blanket

[lost inlet]

just increase reload time, add being able to switch in between your equipment and make the magazine falls off if you interrupted.

[rocky plover]

Ye like GB has

[tacit gull]

void be like "we dont want game to be too fast so we removed sprint" meanwhile your weapon reloads so fast you can run out of ammo while a suspect is unloading on you and still have time to fire before you die

[lost inlet]

putting in and taking out the mag out of your chest rig cannot be that quick bro.

[tacit gull]

dude on something like the arwc

it is just INSTANT

[lost inlet]

shit reloads faster than unrealistic shooter game like COD. 😆

[tacit gull]

even the m1014 like WHAT THE FUCK

we casually palming 8 shotgun shells

[rocky plover]

Hahaha

[tacit gull]

COD HAS SLOWER RELOADS

ITS RIDICULOUS

if you go play just insurgency the difference in reload times is IMMENSE

[lost inlet]

real, you're nerfing yourself by pulling out your pistol.

unless you're using the MKV.

[rocky plover]

Unless you forgot to pre load the MkV

[lost inlet]

you have 1 magazine of it anyway so don't worry about it.

:clueless:

[rocky plover]