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[upper ridge]

Do you see any artefacts with frame gen on?

[fast mantle]

Nope

[upper ridge]

Oh right, DLSS was updated, that's an old problem

[fast mantle]

Oh i also have vsync on to reduce screen tearing and gpu load

[vagrant hill]

if i have 2 ai swat members with the health bonus for my team, does it stack?

[regal tundra]

technically yes but its not worth stacking

you're better off having an armorer in addition to the nutritionist

[fast mantle]

Ive been running nutritionist, a veteran, and 2 negotiators

[regal tundra]

thast basically meta

you should just get an armorer

[vagrant hill]

ive been running whoevers higher on their mental state

[regal tundra]

with steel armor, armorer allows you to survive like 11 shots of .308

[fast mantle]

I run steel plates so I didnt see the need for most maps

[cedar mulch]

Are there any differences between the enemy’s weapon stats and the player’s?

[fast mantle]

How many without?

[regal tundra]

Uhhh 7 or 8 i think i'll check the docky...

[upper ridge]

I dont think armorer is worth, it only gives 5% protection and makes helmets more durable, which aren't itself very protective on anything above 9mm

[upper ridge]

Also, isn't the most meta thing to have 2 intimidators and 2 negotiators? Suspects give up much easier that away as i understand.

[lost inlet]

Helmet can blocks all kind of bullets btw.

[fast mantle]

I think intimidator doesnt work on some maps

[regal tundra]

with steel armor, .308 does 21.6 damage, and you have 160 health base

so you can survive 7 shots and the 8th will kill you assuming no limb shots, no bleeding/bandaging etc

With armorer, .308 does 13.6 damage to steel, and you still have 160 base health

[fast mantle]

Ooooh

[upper ridge]

But bigger calibers are still lethal there, right? You get 1-shot anyway.

[regal tundra]

so its' really 11 shots

my bad, i think the 15 shots is armorer + nutritionist

[fast mantle]

I see

[lost inlet]

Intimidator is kinda bad, it’s only increase the chance suspect to hesitates when they first saw you. Comparing it to negotiator that increases the chance of instant surrender on the first yell, negotiator is always better than intimidator.

[fast mantle]

My only concern is how we seem to be hit in the arms/legs rather than the plates

[vagrant hill]

would anyone wanna do some missions with me? im new to the game but not a total idiot or anything

[upper ridge]

Then the most "meta" thing would be to have 4 negotiators then? (For the stack)

[fast mantle]

I think theres significant falloff after 2. 2 is already 50%

[upper ridge]

Yeah i thought something like that after reading their %s

[fast mantle]

3 is 60% and 4 is 65% iirc

[lost inlet]

Game uses durability to calculate how tanky your helmet are. Highest durability damage is 1 for suspect weapons and helmet has 2 durability by default.

Armorer gives 2x to durability health and ballistic facemask gives 3 durability.

[upper ridge]

25/50/55/60%

[crude prism]

Helmets don't have an armor rating, they are just on/off on whether or not they are broken. (and will block all shots until so)

[fast mantle]

Damn, worse than I thought

[upper ridge]

Only 2 negotiators are worth having then

[lost inlet]

So yeah, stacking them gives you 6 durability for your helmet.

[fast mantle]

Indeed

[crude prism]

Armorer would be nuts if it stacked

[lost inlet]

It doesn’t?

[quasi coral]

Speaking of helmets, it is totally new to me that your vision will go blurry if your helmet takes a shot

[fast mantle]

It does with decreasing returns

Or wait no

[crude prism]

No

[upper ridge]

With any weapon? They always deal 1?

[quasi coral]

And this has happened only TWICE in my entire runthrough of the game and every replay I've done

[regal tundra]

armorer doesnt stack

[lost inlet]

Nvm, rip.

[lost inlet]

Max is 1, weaker caliber like pistol deals like 0.6-0.8.

[upper ridge]

Yeah no, it doesn't stack

[quasi coral]

But just like in real life, even with that super low probability of a helmet flicking a shot, it still did once or twice which is really nice

[upper ridge]

So with armorer, helmets would have 2 durability, right?

[cedar mulch]

I hope that in future, the armour worn by suspects will be similar to that used by SWAT teams, with bulletproof ratings based on the material used.

[lost inlet]

armorer doesn’t affects helmet.

[crude prism]

This is part of the limb debuff system, if you take nonlethal head damage you get the blurry effect.

(helmets blocking bullets doesn't count as damage)

[upper ridge]

They do, or at least according to the wiki. I read that they give 50% more durability

[crude prism]

It do

[upper ridge]

Increases helmet and ceramic durability by 50%.

Adds 5% damage reduction to kevlar, steel, and broken ceramic. Spreadsheet

[lost inlet]

Wtf?

[quasi coral]

Well I figured, I assume this isn't new then?

[upper ridge]

spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit

[quasi coral]

Never had it up until now

[lost inlet]

So why did y’all said armorer doesn’t stacks with ballistic facemask?

[upper ridge]

So technically speaking, with armorer, helmets would have 1.5 durability

[crude prism]

Yeah it's just really rare because you basically need to (have no helmet, and) get hit by buckshot or a handgun at range and/or wall pen to not just die from 100%

[regal tundra]

Helmet gets 1.5, ballistic mask gets 3

[upper ridge]

No, we meant that armorer doesn't stack with other officers that also have that. The trait isn't stackable.

[lost inlet]

Bruhh, i never said multiple armorer are stackable.

[regal tundra]

thats usually what "stacking" means lmao

[quasi coral]

Welp I'll rather have that then not

[lost inlet]

Armorer stacks with ballistic facemask.

[crisp rose]

Guys, I'm having a problem where, if I set DLSS Quality to “Quality” and DLSS Frame Generation to “On,” I don't get any frame generation. In fact, I actually get more FPS when I turn frame generation off. I have an RTX 5080, can anyone help me?

[upper ridge]

We were talking about trait stacking before you answered (iirc)

[regal tundra]

Yeah, armorer conveys an effect upon the facemask

[quasi coral]

And also I wouldn't have space for my NVG's sooo I guess this is a good plus

[upper ridge]

Wrong term imo, it only includes the face mask. There's no stacking there.

[lost inlet]

Also, i definitely was wrong at how much durability got increased when using armorer.

So sorry about that.

[upper ridge]

dw man

How much durability do facemasks have btw?

[lost inlet]

TLDR; use armorer and ballistic facemask.

[lost inlet]

Base is 2.

[regal tundra]

The mask is basically a helmet modifier that makes it 2 durability instead of 1

so then with the +50% armorer boost you get 3

3 whole durabilities

[upper ridge]

so with armorer it would be 3, only 50% more

Still don't think its worth using the trait imo

[lost inlet]

Yes, like strom has said.

BF also has ricochet chance of 33% which is a chance for you to straight up to not take damage from headshot.

This stays on even if your helmet is “shot off”.

[crude prism]

Even if it's only 5% it's a huge difference with steel.

Since you go from 13.5% damage taken to 8.5%.

Take like 40% less damage.

[regal tundra]

Its an S-tier trait

[crude prism]

Like 7.62x51 goes from an 8 to 12 shot kill.

And you become effectively immune to handgun calibers.

[regal tundra]

in commander mode its a must-have on any squad build

S-rank, ironman, hard mode, whatever

Then there's riot control....

[upper ridge]

So basically the most "meta"" combination of traits would be 2 negotiators, 1 armorer and... ?

[regal tundra]

1 nutritionist

1 armorer + 1 nutritionist lets you survive 15 shots of .308

2 pacifiers are OK for S-rank too

for non S rank, bringing veterans is probably better

tightens up the SWAT AI aiming

[crude prism]

Yeah pacifier is absurd for S rank runs

[regal tundra]

50% chance of instant surrender whenever a suspect is hit by LTL, if you have 2

you dont even have to yell they just get down

Yeah since its not morale-based or stress-based

its just a dice roll

[lost inlet]

Game is unfair till you bringing in officer traits.

[stray oar]

does the 1 ammo slot glitch for ai still work?

[gritty coyote]

I read online that arresting the Prince in Mirage At Sea would calm down the suspects. But I arrested the prince and the suspects still go around killing the hostages

how exactly do you complete Mirage At Sea on hard without hostages dying

[lost inlet]

Yes, it came back.

[solemn patio]

Imagine an 8.6 blk rifle in the game

[gritty coyote]

perhaps the prince telepathically gave a command and it was too late for me to arrest

[coral tapir]

Genuinely, FUCK Active Shooter type of Missions on Hard, or just in general.

[spare depot]

Finally, i done relapse

[gritty coyote]

such a pity because the map might be one of the most gorgeous maps in the game

[spare depot]

And i got a A, so that is pretty neat

[coral tapir]

[amber ice]

looking for 1-2 more ppl for my 5 stack to start running content with me

[spare depot]

And I am still stuck on 15/18 for "'I'm too old for this."

[gritty coyote]

did you finish Mirage At Sea

[stray oar]

i’m so glad they haven’t patched it yet

[lost inlet]

I’m pretty sure they patched it in previous version before it came back again in the current version.

[stray oar]

well they better not patch it

again

[spare depot]

Is this a bug or is this game taking the mick

[regal tundra]

What does your quickplay mission select look like

Most of the ones that are "good" should show at least a C or B on Hard

[short bough]

idk maybe i’m just unlucky? it’s an awesome mission but the crackhead knife wielding flashes are a little much, the fact that they can and will simply run right through your teammates at light speed and then immediately oneshot you right around the corner is insane most times.

[short bough]

man i struggle with getting A on some of these missions on standard lol

[regal tundra]

Its hard to do unless you deliberately gear for non-lethal

[short bough]

ides of march is stupid hard for me, i can complete the level 100% fine except i can never get 3 suspects to surrender…

[regal tundra]

Especially with the SWAT AI grenade throwing not working properly rn

[uncut cliff]

one thing with this though, i see it says that all suspects on ides of march use body armor, but when i play this mission i see most of them not wearing any armor, and just some jacket. So is their armor completely independent from their model then?

[regal tundra]

Yes

technically you can identify armor-wearing suspects by the particle effects of bullets hitting them, but...

[uncut cliff]

so before you take the shot you have no idea

[regal tundra]

Yeah unless you know ahead of time with meta-game knowledge

The google docky is useful for that tho

[uncut cliff]

is it always the same for the same models?

[regal tundra]

You mean like, the guy with a certain haircut/mask or whatever will always have the same armor?

[uncut cliff]

affirmative

[regal tundra]

Hmmm. im not sure, cuz I think the suspect spawning/dispersion is semi or quasi random between certain choices

I think in general though yes thats correct. Sullivans slope is a good example

there's like 2 different gas mask goons

one has armor and one doesnt. but theres only two types and once it picks a type, the armor doesnt vary separately from the suspect type

But it might be hard to visually identify in some cases regardless

[uncut cliff]

the google sheet says all 3 can have armor

[regal tundra]

read the note

on the yellow cell, Gas Masks

[uncut cliff]

interesting

[regal tundra]

Its more about how their gas masks work but you can see that one of them has no armor and another does, but their models are quite similar

I think its just best to plan for the highest level armor on a map

Its pretty much impossible in the moment to make snap evaluations and decisions of suspect armor

[uncut cliff]

yeah thats probably best

[regal tundra]

And like...incaps and kills are treated almost equally by the game anyway

[uncut cliff]

i just checked rn, according to their models the one with long hair doesnt have armor but the one with short hair does

[regal tundra]

Yeah so I think in theory their models are a reliable identifier but it's not exactly something that's been 100% documented

[uncut cliff]

do you know if that google sheet was made by a developer or a fan

[regal tundra]

made by a "fan"

[pastel pebble]

I am having an issue having the friends list on epic pop up. I am on PC (Laptop) I keep hitting my shift f3 key but it does not seem to work whatsoever, so i cant get my friends list to pop up. I know this isnt like a help channel at all, but Im just lookign to see if anyone has had these issues before. trying to game with my brother in law whos on xbox

[regal tundra]

MMMM(O_O) he's in the discord

[uncut cliff]

aight, thanks for answering my questions, i appreciate it

[regal tundra]

sure thing

[lofty raft]

Is there a way to change the round spectacles back to the old lenses? The old ones were blacked out and these new ones are see through. I know it was part of the graphical downgrade but it just looks so much less badass now.

[crude prism]

no relation

[regal tundra]

we're all looking for the guy who did this

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-manic-save-me-gif-27193560

[somber wolf]

who is “failed to connect to host” and why do i keep joining them?

[fast mantle]

The mfs on Hunger Strike keep immediately executing hostages as soon as they know I'm there

[ember sonnet]

Dawg even on standard, they execute civies too fast

[fast mantle]

Yeah, I'm starting to think they messed some AI things up with the recent update

[regal tundra]

actually they "fixed" it

hunger strike was supposed to have a 30 second execution timer but it wasnt working prior to this patch

now its working as intended

™

[gritty coyote]

The Leviathan map layout is pretty confusing.

[pliant river]

just curious, is that one achievement for narcos where u only use a lethal pistol or whatever still bugged?

if it is what's the method used to get the achievement

[cloud vortex]

If I recall when I got it I used a stab vest, no nods, no utilities and no attachments

[versed wraith]

why dont blood decals show up on skin anymore and is there a fix

like clothes will show blood, but skin is completely immune to everything

[torn dew]

I'm struggling with Twisted Nerve, any tips on how I could beat it?

[mystic palm]

Dont trust anyone, think everyone is an enemy until u arrest or kill all enemies

[cedar mulch]

It seems that the Ron Wiki has been updated recently

[coarse pelican]

just got to valley of the dolls

[coral tapir]

Like, it makes this shit almost as bad as Greased Palms but luckily it is a very short mission so it gets saved from being worse than the worst.

[fast mantle]

I had to just run and gun tbh

If I even thought of being tactical about it I'd see the wonderful -200 from a civi being executed

[cedar mulch]

Los Locos really are a bunch of madmen

[fast mantle]

And then very quickly another 7 of those

[cedar mulch]

[fast mantle]

I still managed to A rank it though

Also is it me or are there a lot of missions that are hostage rescue centered

[cedar mulch]

Just imagine if the Rust Belt were also subject to a time limit, and after a certain point three suspects were to make their escape by boat—that would be quite something.

[fast mantle]

Granted I'm a random person and not a SWAT officer so my judgements probably off but it definitely seems like most of them are known hostage situations that would warrant HRT

[opaque sage]

Guys I don’t know what to do

I can’t find the last civ on relapse

I found him

After 15 minutes

[torn dew]

Ok

[young briar]

why are the guys wearing stabvests or only a jacket so god damn tanky in A New America but the guys in heavy armor die in 2 shots?

[tidal sleet]

what’s your ammo?

[young briar]

i've floated between buckshot for dismemberments and 7.62 nato ap. The guys in the heavy armor go down in 2 shots. The guys in light armor, stab vests, or just a jacket absorb damage like a sponge

[short bough]

just did everything perfect in rust belt and got a B?

What am i just supposed to let these guys shoot me to death to get an a+?? the ratings in this game give me a headache

[opaque sage]

Did you do non lethal?

[short bough]

hell no, why would i go non lethal into a very lethal cartel den. I shot all those mfs!

[coarse pelican]

some suspect fired 8 shots at me earlier and decided to drop his gun randomly

of course i killed him

[short bough]

he wouldnt even have the chance to get one off, sorry. Point a gun you get the gun

[coarse pelican]

i shot the guy multiple times yet he didn’t go down

[gray otter]

I just got the Diamond Watch but not those two Ironman mode achievements, anybody who knows why this has happened?

[warm gate]

Did you accidentally swap the difficulty to casual?

[gray otter]

Nope, i played standard throughout. Not sure if failing to save all civilians and other main objectives makes it bug out

Maybe DLC missions messed it up, did Dorms quickly but nothing happened

[warm gate]

I remember when i was working on it i accidentally hit the difficulty button mid run past valley of the dolls and i was like whoa tf then after hide and seek i saw it was on casual

[gray otter]

Guess i gotta check if i finished all missions on standard or not

[warm gate]

Id check im not sure i know most of the achievements are bugged out

[gray otter]

Yeah, the watch is cool and all but i mostly did it for the two achievements

[warm gate]

Thats what i did ironman for too i was like whats up with my achievements whoa i got the watch

Realized it got flipped to casual

[merry epoch]

Do shotgun pellets have literally no penetration

[gritty coyote]

Let your AI teammates do nonlethal. You can choose lethal

[short bough]

yeah but then they die and i fail or they headshot the guy and i fail

[short bough]

buckshot no not really? did you think they did? use slugs if you wanna punch holes

[hollow finch]

grades is % based with score. On maps with more suspects youll lose more points in relation to the total possible if you kill them instead of taking them alive, which will lower your final grade

[coarse pelican]

anyone know where the bomb or bombs are in elephant

[hollow finch]

very limited. You can punch through some doors but thats about it

[hollow finch]

they have several spawns

[short bough]

i see, unfortunately sometimes i have no choice, these guys don’t always let up.

[merry epoch]

They have less punch than my glock

[coarse pelican]

ive been searching for a while nd i cant find them

[merry epoch]

Which dosen't make a ton of sense unless we're using crappy buckshot

[short bough]

standard ballistics

unless you’re talking about slugs

[hollow finch]

A 9mm has significantly better penetration that buckshot pellets irl too lol

[gritty coyote]

AI is very good at playing nonlethal. Half shotgun, half pepper.
Also give them all shields which make them clear rooms with ease

[short bough]

i’ll try this

[coarse pelican]

i got like 4 minutes left and i can’t find them

[merry epoch]

Yes but buckshot pellets aren't so bad I dump 8 rounds through a door with no significant passthrough irl

[hollow finch]

Left side from the front it can spawn just above or judt below the stairs and in the computer lab. Following the hallway on the lower floor it can spawn in the corner with the round couch and open ceiling to the top floor.

It can also spawn in the main lecture hall or the small office.

On the right it can spawn in the middle of the staircase or any of the classrooms

there are always 2

[coarse pelican]

im scrambling to find them and toc is rushing me

im fried

ggs

[gritty coyote]

Check wiki and YouTube
Yes the mission is rng

[coarse pelican]

school went boom

[hollow finch]

always spend the first 2-3 minutes getting the suspects until you get that obj, then focus bombs

[gritty coyote]

What's that? Everything is gonna blow up? Let's walk slowly to farm aura

The Elephant map is the biggest indictment of how this game doesn't let you run

[coarse pelican]

exactly

when ik irl swat officers are hauling ass to get where they gotta go

how the hell did i unlock rust belt

[gritty coyote]

The bullshit part is that suspects can run and gun while you can only walk

[coarse pelican]

genuinely wanna know why these students are cursing me out for tryna help them

[young briar]

Cuffs too tight. Gotta go to the bathroom. Forgot their phone. Should've stayed home.

[coarse pelican]

dude

i just shot a civilian

why do they run up on you

[tranquil siren]

Probably because they are panicking

[coarse pelican]

whole school just blew up again

[coarse pelican]

better question, why do they push and kick doors down

[coarse pelican]

and again

[ivory geyser]

i have planted a bomb at tattaglia high

[ember sonnet]

God ANA courtroom is hard af

[coarse pelican]

finally did it

might’ve gotten an e but i still did it

e for effort

[prisma wyvern]

Did ANA with randoms and we got to the end but my character shifted and I accidentally set the detonator off instead of equipping my multitool

[last dawn]

could be worse
my friend @onyx swift activated the detonator thinking it was evidence

[blazing shoal]

muscle memory do be messing it up sometimes

[coral tapir]

If that happens it better be at the top of the very top as the worst mission to play around.

[coral tapir]

Literally massacre simulator at this rate rather than trying to wear the mask and the heart of SWAT.

[naive marsh]

A+ ON ELEPHAANT

YESSSS

Wait

why It didn't count

wtf

bruh\

[velvet verge]

just did iron man no deaths I am excstatic

wait

I just finished it, and now the headquarters is exactly how it is at boiling point

is there any way to stop boiling point from the being the default map?

[ember sonnet]

probably need to use mods to revert it but other than that idk

[velvet verge]

bssss okay ty

[velvet verge]

what do you think it would be called perchance

[heavy drift]

What keybind should i set low ready, free lean and canted sight to?
I need to do many actions and some keybinds isnt comfortable or unreachable in fast actions

[floral peak]

I use the keys set by game
Space for low ready
ALT for free lean
O for canted

[gritty wadi]

can i nto get lost data back

[surreal pelican]

Mine is this;

Shift for high ready
Space for free lean
O and second thumb mouse button (alt) for canted

[surreal pelican]

My two side thumb mouse buttons are for canted and toggling of lasers and flashlight respectively

[jolly light]

so it seems this game's storytelling is still as dark as I remember. I'm watching Shayne's new Ready or Not video and....wow...

[wraith gale]

and they said the games story would be compromised with the censorship

[jolly light]

the ONLY thing that comes close to that is the censorship in Valley of The Dolls

thankfully I can undo that with mods

[rocky plover]

yeah hard mode ain't realistic, it's too artificial with the god AI, I think standard is the most played tbh

[tranquil siren]

I don't think it's that unrealistic

I try to clear in all difficulties

[fast mantle]

Is there something or someone that could tell me each missions archetype (barricaded suspect, hostage rescue, active shooter, etc.)

[hazy token]

TOCs initial voiceline changes with different modes

[fast mantle]

I suppose I'll gather this info by myself the

[last dawn]

@tardy forum hello goat thanks for the last alive clutch on AnA

[wraith gale]

yeah itll say like the second you spawn it.

"suspects are barricaded and have planted traps across the premises" or something to that extent if thats what the mission has.

[night jewel]

Listen to the Briefing

[night jewel]

and this

[fast mantle]

I know but I was wondering if there was a spreadsheet I could look at rather than going through each missions myself

But I can't find one so I will

[urban mural]

Each mission has suspects and civvies spawns randomised every time you start the mission.

[night jewel]

Anyway, Its just weird that No other Police units guarding the Entrances or Roadblock. Its just Vehicles with no visible cops.

Before you begin toc says Negotiation has failed, does that mean after the Negotiation everyone just ditch their vehicle and go home?

[night jewel]

One of the thing I loved abt this game.

[urban mural]

Definetly not, I see SWAT uses the beacat or whatever is called.

[night jewel]

I mean Humans

[urban mural]

The negotiations tho last for hours but police responds quickly for active shooter situations.

[night jewel]

Theres no crowd that gather pointing their guns at the suspected place unlike in Home Invasion

[fast mantle]

I know but like there's raid, active shooter, bomb threat, hostage situation, and barricaded suspect. Each missions has a distinct threat (being one of the listed archetypes) and some missions have side threats (such as elephant with active shooter being primary and bomb threat being secondary). I wanted to find a spreadsheet or guide detailing each missions main archetype to get outfits, tactics, and loadouts compiled

I've greatly enjoyed using a realistic loadout and outfits fitting to the situation and real life counterparts

[night jewel]

Well If you wanna outfits then use Non-Lethal and play on Standard

Use Pepper gun only

[rocky plover]

you can't really classify them under 1 category because some maps are either just 1 or a mix of several types, it's not like how it used to be back in the old days when choosing which mode you wanna do

[fast mantle]

I know, which is why I said there's usually a main archetype with side threats and gave elephant as an example

[fast mantle]

I have all the clothing unlocked (especially the Hawaiian shirt). I mean outfits like real HRT outfits used by Orange County Sheriffs Office or the FBI.

[nocturne veldt]

the briefing maybe?

[rocky plover]

ye i get what you mean, well almost all of them are pretty much barricaded suspects with some mixed with raid too i guess

[fast mantle]

Yeah, my spreadsheet is filled with barricaded/raid as primary or secondary archetypes

[hardy marlin]

is there a reason to use the mp7 without a suppressor

[rocky plover]

overall weapon length I guess, but I like it with a suppressor

[hardy marlin]

yeah weapon length isnt a problem with the mp7

[rocky plover]

some people say it is, but personally it ain't for me and I like the less recoil with the suppressor

[hardy marlin]

if you have problems with weapon length on the mp7 thats just a skill issue

[rocky plover]

agree, and that's pretty much for every weapon tbh, that's what side arms are for - tight spaces and backups

[hardy marlin]

its the size of a largeish pistol

[rocky plover]

yea it's a PDW so it's already very small and concealable

[coral tapir]

Those people have yet to ACTUALLY feel the true pain of weapon length. 💔

[rocky plover]

ikr lol

[signal patrol]

Guys Senator Fremont died 1 day after the Clementine Hotel incident

[sonic sleet]

Yk what’s crazy heavy armor says it protects against all rifle calibers but it does indeed not do shit for AP 7.62, can’t even take one round of that on ana hard and survive

Heavy steel for the record

[solemn patio]

I shot a civ and my ai teammates gunned me down, wish theyd remove that mechanic or atleast limit it for times where its more calm lowkey

[hardy marlin]

the more i play it the more i like stolen valor

[rocky plover]

you can take up to 7 shots but they shoot so fast on hard mode than it feels like 1 shot lol

[glass heart]

does it really matter that much

[fast mantle]

It is Armor Piercing and a rather large round

[glass heart]

i regularly play with g3 suppressed and other very long weapons and it doesnt actually matter to me

you dont want to hug your cover anyway

[fast mantle]

Yes, for many maps due to how close quarters they are

[glass heart]

and be fast through doorways

[rocky plover]

yea the new rtwc doesn't really bother me

[glass heart]

thats most maps at one area or another

[sonic sleet]

Yeah still bs that you get one tapped though

[glass heart]

besides you still have a pistol if you want to stand and peek through doorways

[fast mantle]

Im thinking overall for the map. Like Hide and Seek, Leviathan, and ANA have large enough areas for most of the map where it doesnt matter

[sonic sleet]

The 6.5 is pretty hard to maneuver on ana I would argue

Depending on the route you take

[fast mantle]

Alternatively, maps like Twisted Nerve, Sinuous Trail, and the Yacht are atleast half cqc

[fast mantle]

It worked well for me in most areas, likely because my team (of real players) fucked off individually to clear rooms and I had most of the long hallways or more open rooms

[sonic sleet]

True, all abt play style

[fast mantle]

Twas nice having that round drop MLO in 3 shots

[sonic sleet]

I also would argue full auto capability when you’re doing solo tho is almost a must

And 5.56 doesn’t take that many rounds to incap at least on ana hard tbh, it’s normally like 3 to incap which w full auto isn’t that bad

[rocky plover]

yeah on hard mode, 6.5 and 7.62 dont really give an advantage over 5.56 or .300 like on standard mode

[fast mantle]

Yeah, I made good use of the SR16s low recoil to put burst in mfs on the pier

[rocky plover]

so 5.56 and .300 is actually better on hard mode tbh

[sonic sleet]

On ana hard I either run a shotty or g36c/lvar/mcx

[rocky plover]

all good including sr16 and f90

[hardy marlin]

f90 is great, low recoild and very short barrel

[sonic sleet]

I only prefer shotty on solo for the simple fact I can reload one shell and not a whole mag

But not a fan that I can’t full auto when needed

I’ve been alternating on my programmed psychosis attempts between ar/shotty

[rocky plover]

i tried both, had better outcomes with shotgun due to a variety of reasons

my successful run was with a shotgun too

[sonic sleet]

Did you get programmed psychosis?

[rocky plover]

yea after a bunch of tries over the span of days lol

[sonic sleet]

Ah you’re PC tho so you got advantage anyway lol

[rocky plover]

had better ammo economy/management
could 1 shot limbs when free-lean peeking
doesnt require as precise aim as a rifle

[rocky plover]

true

[sonic sleet]

I think that’s the only reason so many use shotty is bc they can use buckshot and not have to aim lol

And on pc can you get achievements if you have mods running? Just curious

[rocky plover]

you still need to aim, mostly it's because it's the only thing that can 1 shot even from range, if most of the pellets hit the limbs

[sonic sleet]

Aim use lightly, it’s buckshot lol

[rocky plover]

and combined with free lean, peek enough to see their limbs, its far better to use 1 shot of buckshot than risk trying to shoot with AP rounds lol

since you're forced to use AP cos of their L4 armor and AP sucks on limbs

[rocky plover]

yes

[sonic sleet]

Yeah true, and see I’m sure that’s how most got programmed psychosis on pc is using mods lol

[solemn patio]

We really need a wood 870 furniture option

[rocky plover]

yea sadly most probably

[nova plume]

Just found a great build for i forget what its called. The big finale mission

Enemies get 2 tapped

[rocky plover]

a new america

[nova plume]

Yeah that.

[rocky plover]

i mean every rifle round will 2 tap on hard mode with the correct ammo type depending on their armor

[hardy marlin]

give us the build

[nova plume]

Ok 1 sec

[sonic sleet]

Curious what his opinion is on this lol

[rocky plover]

i mean it's either a rifle or a shotgun with buckshot lol

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I mean shotty is almost always a one tap incap at least

[rocky plover]

yea

[nova plume]

Ga416 rifle with any sight and socom supressor combat grip

[rocky plover]

oh my god, worst 5.56 you could have picked with the worst attachments lol

[sonic sleet]

Fr

[nova plume]

It is? It is pretty good

Atleast for the armored enemies

[rocky plover]

i mean it's still viable since its 2 shot (with AP cos of their L4 armor)

but its the worst 5.56 from all options due to having highest recoil

[solemn patio]

Imagine a 10/22

[hardy marlin]

imagine a zip 22

[solemn patio]

It just isnt meta its alright tho

[sonic sleet]

Most times 5.56 is a 2 tap incap at least anyway but idk it’s got the worst recoil lol

[rocky plover]

yea its got 7.62 recoil lmao

[nova plume]

Not with the grip

[solemn patio]

Naw a ruger mk 2

[nova plume]

A kolibri

[solemn patio]

Stainless steel bull barrel with irons only and heel mag release

[rocky plover]

that's what even funny, the grip you chose does nothing on that type of weapon

[solemn patio]

I love the ruger mk 2 i shot one once

[sonic sleet]

Run a g36c and lmk the difference lol

[rocky plover]

if you want to see a difference on rifles use SFMB + Vertical/TH grip not suppressor and combat grip lol

[languid tide]

How much did "a new america" break your spirit

[sonic sleet]

Eh I recommend suppressors on ana hard solo

[vague sleet]

Did the devs code an S-rank for Greasy Palms? Los locos are more hostile to the civs than the shooters on Elephant. Legit, once they realize there are cops on the scene they take hostages.

[nova plume]

The trick to that is just to remember your a federal swat team doing that shit and then it doesnt really affect morale.

[solemn patio]

I like the dippter sights

[nova plume]

Like you prob got farther than any swat team would

[vague sleet]

Once I saw that, I knew immediately that this was no longer a swat game and was actually remastered Modern Warfare 3.

[rocky plover]

doesnt make much of a difference tbh, they can hear you from 50m away irrelevant of suppressor or not, but yeah if you gonna choose suppressor at least take vertical or th grip and not combat grip

[sonic sleet]

Yeah facts

[solemn patio]

Im running mk18 with the peq, carry handle and 14.5 barrel

Tempted to run the m5b

[sonic sleet]

I like to flashlight bait anyway on ana hard solo lol

[rocky plover]

same lol

[nova plume]

I run the ga416 but when im really pissed i run the m14s

[sonic sleet]

I’m gonna strongly recommend you try the g36c and see the difference on recoil

[rocky plover]

chad - bonus for style points XD

[solemn patio]

I got my ass kicked on ana

Might use g36c with carry handle

[rocky plover]

same, im still in the process of getting S on hard on it lol

[nova plume]

Damn

Irl a pepperball or 40mm wouldnt do shit to them prob lol

[sonic sleet]

I got hard s tier so I got you there lol

[solemn patio]

I wish we had the option for a like colt style handguard

Yknow the colt 733 and 723

[rocky plover]

i completed programmed psychosis with m1014 with buckshot on it though, had better outcomes than rifles

[rocky plover]

damn nice!, it's my last 1 that i need for all maps hard S

[nova plume]

We need rubber slugs

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I have all maps hard s now

[rocky plover]

i've been trying for days, getting to around 17 suspects then dying to some BS

completely solo or duo though, i hate it with the swat AI

[vague sleet]

I didn't think they coded S onto it. I figured it was like Neon Club or Sweaty Palms, where completion of the mission requires human sacrifice in the form of unarmed civs, given how trigger happy the enemies are.

[solemn patio]

Give us a recoilless rifle with frag rounds like a carl gustaf

I want to clear rooms and kill my teammates with backblast

[rocky plover]

ye well it's definitely an extra challenge

[nova plume]

Atp if their putting up against enemies like that in AnA than yeah at this rate

[sonic sleet]

Give us rotary stinger launchers lol

[nova plume]

Javelin

[rocky plover]

no lol

that will incap suspects/civilians/friendlies

[vague sleet]

I don't see it as an extra challenge. I see it as canonically a failure. There's no canon possibility for S rank to happen in these scenarios.

[nova plume]

A t-72

[sonic sleet]

Rotary 9 banger?

[rocky plover]

lmfao madness

[rocky plover]

in that regard, ye true

[nova plume]

Im sure theres mods for ts

[solemn patio]

Dude we should have a national guard option for missions where we have a m2 browning with a tripod to move around and suspects can use it against you and oneshot you

[sonic sleet]

Probably but I’m on console lol

[nova plume]

Lol or a Gau

[sweet fractal]

stacking

[solemn patio]

Wait give us a m249 dawg i want to larp fighting in the GWOT against the hand

[nova plume]

Fr like the m249 is alr in game

[rocky plover]

breaching

[nova plume]

The ai use it. You alr have the models so why not

[sweet fractal]

you can wear like woodland camo

[sonic sleet]

Prepare the alter

[solemn patio]

I already do when im not larping as a ranger

[sweet fractal]

[sonic sleet]

I mean swat isn’t generally rolling up w lmgs lol

[solemn patio]

I want an m60 or a 240 as well

[solemn patio]

The LAPD has an m60 for anti terror use

[nova plume]

True but also who tf sends a federal swat team to an oil rig

[sweet fractal]

i pretend im a mercenary and put on the mute toc mod and go wild

[solemn patio]

Or to a terrorist attack on a federal building

[nova plume]

With BOMBS involved mind you

And in the capitol like bro

[sweet fractal]

srsly, like some team right above you just got lit up

[sonic sleet]

I’m just mad abt the bad coding they literally coded the ai to have inhuman reaction times

And can wall bang you before they ever even see you

[rocky plover]

yea

[solemn patio]

Brother wed have easily like 20 people if this was irl

[coral tapir]

Nope not really in general.

[nova plume]

If you mean delta force prob

And thoose news guys must be getting paid loads for going into the building

[sonic sleet]

The programmed psychosis achievement is just crazy bc they’re never sending in a one man swat team against 30 suspects

[solemn patio]

I know, the mercs are so aggressive its like they are using enough fent to stop feeling their fingertips

[coral tapir]

Programmed Psychosis for a reason.

"Begin exercise." 💔

[vague sleet]

Thankfully that can be mitigated with mods. What pisses me off is how ready they are to take hostages. I honestly think some missions just cannot be S-tiered, without special circumstances playing out.

[solemn patio]

Wed have specops there in general

[sonic sleet]

I mean I have everything hard s tier so it’s possible lol

[fast mantle]

Every single situation we face would have atleast 15 SWAT alone respond

[sonic sleet]

Yes, which would be fine if the ai were realistic and not on crack

[nova plume]

Like watch a bodycam video. Even in the US if some dude pulls out a 22lr they will prob send like 50 swat members

[vague sleet]

Sure, in the past it was, but this recent boiling point update turned these people from criminals into active shooters for nearly all missions.

[fast mantle]

I mean hell, Columbus PD called 2 bearcats and had a multi-hour standoff involving 10+ SWAT and an additional 6 cops for a guy barricaded in his house with a knife

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I mean I got hard s on ana lol

[sweet fractal]

but due to how the town is rn, it'd make sense for the short resources

[solemn patio]

I watched a normal ass police officer break down a window and shoot a hostage taker im surprised his massive balls didnt slow him down

[solemn patio]

Then send in special ops or other police departments for backup no?

[vague sleet]

Did you use some kind of auto-s mod or something? I didn't think the devs would even bother coding an S in for the civil war mission.

[nova plume]

Fr like they know if they miss their ass is getting absolutely beat

[solemn patio]

Nat guard as well

[sonic sleet]

No I’m on console

[fast mantle]

Also, the active shooter situations we face? Holy fuck, talk about an under reaction. In Las Vegas there was a shooting at a university, and multiple departments responded, including the Metro PD, the sheriffs, and FBI

[vague sleet]

Maybe console is more forgiving than pc or something than. Here on pc, there's a good 3 or 4 missions where protection of the civs is based entirely on factors outside player input.

[sweet fractal]

yeah marines

[sonic sleet]

Console is def not more forgiving and you guys have the advantage on console all day lol. I will say I played hunger strike the other day and it took a few tries bc they executed hostages before we ever even got up to the building lol

[vague sleet]

I don't actually bother trying to S-rank these past few dlc missions. I'm not looking for a free handout, but when it becomes canon-breaking (like Halo 2 legendary), I stop respecting it.

The last few dlc missions, like hs and ana essentially eliminate the possibility of rescuing civs without rng deciding for you if its possible or not.

[fast mantle]

5 officers yelling, no reaction (i guess because no sightline but its fucking tinted glass, and I could see his whole body through regular glass), executes hostage

I HATE the pier

[glass heart]

thats just how it is now

[sonic sleet]

I have only had them accidentally kill Civis on ana a couple times

[fast mantle]

So quick to start shooting

[glass heart]

why would you yell at active shooters

just fucking kill them on sight

[fast mantle]

I want A rank

Most die anyways

[glass heart]

as they deserve

[fast mantle]

a few surrender on first yell

[glass heart]

actually all suspects in this game deserve a dead check tbh

[fast mantle]

but most die

[vague sleet]

It's settled then. Consoles get special treatment.

[glass heart]

do they really

its the same game

[dusk lynx]

does anyone know why the dress to impress achivment doesnt pop i have all misssions on s rank also all dlc missions on s rank and completed ironman mode without losing an officer for the gold watch but it still doesnt pop?

[vague sleet]

Yeah, they do. Clearly void prioritizes one over the other in terms of censorship as well as optimization.

[sonic sleet]

We don’t. He’s just on a rant bc he can’t get s tier lol

[fast mantle]

It feels like console is, suspects seem far more jumpy to start shooting since I swapped to pc. To be fair, I only played the first 2 missions of the new dlc on console on hard

Post boiling point update

[sonic sleet]

That’s the difference have you played console since boiling point

[fast mantle]

Yes, I just said I played the first 2 missions of boiling point on hard on console

[sonic sleet]

Yeah sorry missed that at first

[fast mantle]

It's alright

[sonic sleet]

Pc has full advantage over console from the rip tho lets be fr

[glass heart]

well yeah its pretty objectively a superior platform in nearly every way

better aiming better performance better mod support better longevity

theres a reason consoles have aim assit in most games

[fast mantle]

I have als done the entire game on pc up to boiling point. Holy fuck, I gave up 1/3 way through the game on hard because it was fucking brutal. Suspects just so absurdly non compliant and immediately shoot. Even in standard, hunger strike was far more annoying because of them being so jumpy

[fast mantle]

Can confirm. 10+ years in console and my aiming after 6 months on pc is leagues better

[sonic sleet]

Even on console, playing back through after boiling point it’s a whole different game now, the ai are all cracked now

[fast mantle]

Yeah I've gotten the notion that boiling point either intentionally changed it or unintentionally fucked it

[acoustic solar]

wtf is going on in hunger strike

[fast mantle]

Either way, it is not enjoyable

Fuck sinuous trail

[acoustic solar]

my officers used to be able to tank anything and now they die in 2 shots??

[sonic sleet]

It’s just boiling point man

It’s a whole new Ron lol

[vague sleet]

Are you running Full plate Steel armor?

[acoustic solar]

i think so

well my red guys wear full ceramic while everyone else wears steel

[vague sleet]

It's remastered Modern Warfare 3. Arresting people isn't really the goal the devs had in mind with these past few missions.

[acoustic solar]

i S ranked all of the base missions with this setup but hunger strike deviates from this so much??

[vague sleet]

Yeah, ceramic breaks after a few shots. Steel is the only reliable armor, in my experience.

[sonic sleet]

Pre boiling point ceramic was nice

[hollow finch]

anyone know why focal distance/length arent working in replays? I cant get any DOF effects regardless of setting

[vague sleet]

Sinuous Trail is workable, with really small smgs, wedges and establishing a small tight chokehold on every room through wedge isolation. Box them in and force their surrender.

[sonic sleet]

I think too many people complained abt the difficulty prior and void just said well fuck you then and fucked us all

[glass heart]

swat ai is even shittier now

[vague sleet]

That might actually be exactly what just happened. I know I keep saying it, but it really doesn't even feel like a police game on ana.

[glass heart]

thats cuz its not

you shouldnt play this game as a police game if you want to live

the best way to deal with the mlo is to kill all of them on sight

and abuse shotguns and free lean while doing it

[vague sleet]

That's where the bulk of my frustration is. I'm trying to play it like a swat game.

[sonic sleet]

And abuse the fuck out of mirror exploits

[glass heart]

that too

[vague sleet]

I make sure my team has mirrors while I run shield. I don't use mirror personally.

[glass heart]

its better to use it yourself because you know where stuff is

the ai can only describe the what and who, not the where

[sonic sleet]

Not to mention shields are useless on ana these days

[vague sleet]

That's right, but given how tight most spaces are, if they see someone, it's probably a good idea to c2.

[glass heart]

its funny to c2 and then deadcheck the fuckers faking it

they find out why you dont fake being dead in real combat

[vague sleet]

Yes, I've noticed ☹️

[glass heart]

pretty sure they fake when theres no blood

but they have to be shot very little

[sonic sleet]

Yeah it’s funny to c2 them and watch them all fake

[onyx swift]

In some games it’s honestly a detriment tbh

[glass heart]

c2 does like 100 damage

this is also why civs get incapped and suspects just fake

because civilians have less health than suspects iirc

[rocky plover]

yup 200 health for civs

c2 is very good for those free arrests but risky around civs

[onyx swift]

Any fast movement from someone across the screen = aim assist decides to get wonky from trying to track them

In a game like RoN it wouldn’t really matter too much, from how grounded the game is

[glass heart]

well unless they already got shot they probably wont die

but it has happened to me before

[rocky plover]

if they are close to the blast the civs get incapped cos 100/200

[vague sleet]

Ok, that would get very annoying. I've felt that before in other games and that is kind of a gameplay killer when it hits.

[rocky plover]

but for suspects to get incapped they have to have lost health prior to the c2

[fast mantle]

I win I win I win

[pearl geyser]

how’s it going fellas

[vague sleet]

While on the topic, here's a fun fact, lesson to learn: be sure that the door you're charging with c2 isn't about to open. If the door opens when the charge goes off, the breach would act like a wired up door, eliminating everyone standing next to it.

[onyx swift]

Ready as ever

[pearl geyser]

on the topic of C2 It never lets me place it

[vague sleet]

You've got to aim for the handle. It's a bit wonky like that.

[pearl geyser]

i’ll try it again today

i’ve played every level but i just started commander mode

i just beat lethal obsession with a A+. i think Ides of march is next?

[onyx swift]

Wait, don’t you need to aim higher above the handle now?

[vague sleet]

Possibly. I don't know the exact positioning, but it should open an interaction prompt if you have c2 out.

[onyx swift]

It used to be the handle, but then for LSS or close to that they made it higher up on doors

At least for me, sometimes I still accidentally aim for the handle and forget

[pearl geyser]

i’m gonna get on now and try

[coral tapir]

Oh I just exploded it perfectly when someone opened the door a few days ago lmao.

[vague sleet]

Did it end your character?

[coral tapir]

Nah I was far away and bro got downed lol

[vague sleet]

Ok, so that tells me something else happened, and I think I know exactly what.

You know Ides Of March, specifically, that special room connecting the sailor's room to the elderly couple? That's where my c2 got me.

I don't think it was the c2 that got me. I think it was the door trap on the door I wasn't able to check, in that same interconnecting room. This is where a player with a mirror would really come in handy.

[coral tapir]

Eh, I mean, I also don't know what got me but when I kissed the door then detonated C2 on Sinuous Trails, I died.

And I tried to recreate it out of confusion but I didn't die.

[vague sleet]

Nevermind then. It's just a bugged out mechanic.

[fast mantle]

How many soft objectives are on the pier? i cant fucking stand sweeping it for a 7th time

ourgh it was unbagged weapons

and ai swat just refused to move when told to search and secure

love that

A Rank :D

[vague sleet]

It seems that the only soft objectives are the chemical caches.

One thing that helped me with "search and secure" is relaying that order to several different sections of any map, like there's a search radius.

[fast mantle]

When there's no more suspects or civis, they usually just sweep the whole map for weapons

[short bough]

does anyone know if there’s anyway to make the ai not instantly demolish a HVI as soon as they pull a gun?

i’m on like my 3rd try of postal because my guys keep killing the HVI’s

[uncut cliff]

I think telling them to deploy taser is a good option

[short bough]

i see

[fringe oxide]

Toc is gonna kill me

I got a -2000 score

[regal tundra]

You ever get that post-mission TOC dialogue where he says something like, "make sure you cover your faces on the way back to the station"

[sonic sleet]

Gotta ask why the m1014 instead of b1301

[rocky plover]

b1301 is statically better yea i agree but the m1014 has a much faster reload

[sonic sleet]

Ah I mean I do single shell reload anyway

[rocky plover]

ouch that painful animation wise

[sonic sleet]

Yes but clutch if you get pushed during reload you can at least pop them once lol

[marsh lark]

Never heard it, but what about it?

[rocky plover]

can also stop a reload with a full reload

[sonic sleet]

True but easier to single shell imo

I’m really bad abt canceling reloads lol I’m always determined to finish it

[rocky plover]

i guess, but going through the animation with every shell is painfully long lol

[next heron]

you can cancel reloads?

[regal tundra]

Ah nothing much, its just pretty memorable and the guy before me was talking about a -2000 score lol

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I try not to get to that point

By single shell reloading lol

[rocky plover]

ah i see xD

[sonic sleet]

I almost would opt for the shotty w faster rate of fire if it didn’t cut me one shell lol

[rocky rover]

I am single reload man. cant tell why exactly

change once for test I guess then never coming back

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I’m a single reload man

[rocky rover]

WE ARE SINGLE RELOAD Man

[rocky plover]

i mean they have same fire rate

[rocky rover]

single reload matters. weel u got my point

[sonic sleet]

I meant supernova or the other one

[rocky rover]

which gun @sonic sleet ?

[rocky plover]

ohh thought ur comparing b1301 and m1014

[sonic sleet]

I’ve been rotating through them tbh rn tryna find a groove on ana hard solo lol

Find a preference lol

[fringe oxide]

I enever heard that

Worst was "it feels like im lying when i say mission success, but here we are"

[sonic sleet]

You’ve never tried hard enough then lol

[fringe oxide]

I gotta see all the options

[stark dew]

Using P90 with JHP on a mission with unarmored suspects is so much fun

[fringe oxide]

What was the worst one u heard?

[sonic sleet]

The GOAT fuck one is funny

[fringe oxide]

?

[sonic sleet]

I can’t remember it exactly but it’s something abt how saying this mission was a GOAT fuck is an understatement or something

[stark dew]

Oh yeah

[fringe oxide]

I think i got that one once lol

[stark dew]

Whoever voiced TOC did an awesome job

[rocky rover]

👍 so much for the ambience

"cuff dat clown"

[fringe oxide]

Especially on the mission failed ones

I felt like he perosnally yelled at me

[stark dew]

You know that TF2 meme where soldier is screaming at scout

[fringe oxide]

Think so

[stark dew]

Literally that

[fringe oxide]

Damn

[stark dew]

What’s y’all preferred pistol of choice?

[sonic sleet]

G18-C

[rocky rover]

cuz of magazine size?

[sonic sleet]

Yeah and it’s a solid hitter even w out using full auto

[rocky rover]

especially

[sonic sleet]

Even in single fire it’s a tank

[rocky plover]

S2011-P

[stark dew]

I like 2011

[sonic sleet]

Full auto is nice tho for when you need to panic switch and fire lol

[rocky rover]

is it the sig saueur P2022 platform?

[stark dew]

Also the relatively new .50 pistol is cool

[rocky plover]

they need to fix the g18c reload bug

[wide verge]

My tier list
S: Twisted Nerve, Ides of March, Ends of the Earth, Rust Belt, Buy cheap buy twice, Narcos, Lawmaker, All Gods Burn, A New America

A: Gas Station, Megabytes, The Spider, Valley of the Dolls, Sins of the Father, Relapse, Hide and Seek, Dorms, Mirage at Sea, 3 Letter Triad, Stolen Valor

B: A lethal Obsession, Greased Palms, Carriers of the Vine, Leviathan, Hunger Strike, No good Deed

C: Sinous Trail, Elephant, Neon Tomb

[sonic sleet]

What reload bug

[rocky plover]

no staccato

[rocky plover]

cant do a tactical reload with it rn

[sonic sleet]

Ah

I haven’t paid much attention to that tbh

[rocky plover]

ye you reload, and it keeps giving you the partial mag back into the gun instead of a new mag

[sonic sleet]

Hm I’ll have to check that out in a minute

[rocky plover]

annoying when you only have 2 shots left thinking you have a full mag lol

[rocky rover]

guys you all on console? canttell what is tactic reload neither bug on it

[rocky plover]

im on pc

[sonic sleet]

I’m on console

[rocky rover]

have to learn more about the logo near pseudo!

[sonic sleet]

Tac reload works on console I’m pretty sure

Tac reload drops your mag completely so I’m unsure on what bug you’re having lol

[rocky rover]

that a "press reload then quick shift weapons" some kind? soyougot your new mag but skip the timeof the animation?

oh double tap reload?

[rocky plover]

thats emergency reload not a tac reload

[rocky rover]

hmm.

[sonic sleet]

Tac reload is double tap the reload button right?

[rocky rover]

that is emergency so you drop youractive mag

[rocky plover]

no thats emergency reload

tactical reload is keeping you old mag and putting a new one, pressing it once not double tap

[rocky rover]

so double tap wontwork with glock 18 ?

[sonic sleet]

Yeah so a regular reload is what you’re bugging w right

[rocky plover]

single tap isnt working, double tap works

[rocky plover]

exactly

[sonic sleet]

Yeah single tap works for me my boy

[rocky plover]

nice, then it's a bug on pc i guess

i still kinda prefer the recoil control of the S2011 though seems easier to control

[sonic sleet]

Must be

Idk I don’t feel like the g18 recoil is bad at all

[rocky plover]

i mean they're both very good compared to the other 9mm choices

they're both the best 9mm right now

[sonic sleet]

Even in full auto if you burst fire the recoil isn’t horrible

[rocky plover]

true, but with s2011 since it only has vertical recoil feels easier and consistent to use, with the g18 even though vertical is less, it has some slighly horizontal recoil too

[sonic sleet]

Yeah true I suppose

[rocky plover]

but still very snappy so both good

[sonic sleet]

And recoil on pc vs console is a different type of recoil control just due to the controls of it all so I get it

[rocky plover]

true

[sonic sleet]

Dude I’m having some horrible rng rn

Back to back GOAT fuck of rng

And none of them are reacting to flashlight lol

Don’t get me wrong I like them to spawn on the lower floors but fuck

[languid tide]

I have a feeling that boiling point isnt made for non-lethal

[sonic sleet]

It’s possible tho

[copper silo]

hiw it feels to engage suspects instead of spam pressing F

[languid tide]

I dont doubt that. But its so dang dificult due to the non-lethal options not subdueing fast enough

[sonic sleet]

Some of the mfs on this shit take so many fucking flashes it’s crazy lol

[coral tapir]

Don't really think we should hold back for literal terrorists of an extreme degree.

But yeah RoE still existing for A New America suspects is some crazy shit doe.

[sonic sleet]

I’m trying a really weird approach to programmed psychosis rn and hoping for a weird win lol

[languid tide]

Oh no, kill em all. But you cant for S rank

[sonic sleet]

I’m so tired of their inhuman reaction time it’s so irritating

[languid tide]

Fr

But yk what I miss in this game?

When your mate shouts for someone, you might not always see where they are shouting too

I'd love a feature where if your teammate shouts for to get down, they get highlighted for 2 seconds like evidence on the ground is

[sonic sleet]

Eh I disagree on that one

[short bough]

does anyone have a way to throw grenades through doors without opening the door all the way and exposing yourself? 99% of the time when i crack the door the grenade won’t fit through which is great. if i have my teammates throw it 70% of the time they just got shot dead as soon as the door opens.

[languid tide]

Why Is that?

[sonic sleet]

Just defeats the point of communication to an extent and unrealistic imo

[languid tide]

I mean the ai teammates btw

[sonic sleet]

Oh

[languid tide]

Forgot to mention

For real players, I agree

[coral tapir]

S Rank is just straight up plain bullshit imo.

[languid tide]

oh 100%

I completed the easiest mission greased palms, nobody died, everything secured, all side objectives, and still only A+

[short bough]

easiest?

i’ve already tried it 5 times
today and can’t beat it, my guys always kill one of the HVI’s

[languid tide]

I mean the one before tthat

the one with the cartel in the house

[short bough]

i see

[languid tide]

Edge of the world?

[sonic sleet]

Ends of the earth

[languid tide]

Yeah that one

That one is easy as fuck

Probably the easiest one there is

[sonic sleet]

Yes

[rocky plover]

i like that one for warmup cqb xD

or a pistol only run

[languid tide]

i use it to get morale back up

[sonic sleet]

I only run pistols on standard I only pull out real guns on hard lol

[ivory geyser]

Easiest has to be gas station cuz you don't have to worry about dead angles on stairs unlike ends of the earth

[rocky plover]

why not do gas station then

should have less suspects i think as well so should be faster

[ivory geyser]

Doesn't give a lot of morale maybe?

[rocky plover]

could be, i dont rly replay missions for morale, prefer trading officers around and sending them to therapy

[sonic sleet]

I think he means his own morale

[rocky plover]

is he? i thought he's referring to commander mode

😂

[ivory geyser]

Commander mode needs to have missions on chronological order

[rocky plover]

true

[ivory geyser]

Otherwise it makes 0 sense

Imagine having to arrest the fisa agent that gives you order on the later missions

[languid tide]

This one is easier for me

[rocky plover]

ah ok, i mean it's more cqb, so i kinda get it too

[ivory geyser]

Stairs are deadly in any cqb tbh

[languid tide]

Whats cqb again?

[ivory geyser]

Close quarters battle

[languid tide]

ahh

[ivory geyser]

Basically combat in corridors n shit

[rocky plover]

or should use the term cqc rather than cqb tbh XD

since this is mostly small scale

[languid tide]

my tactic for cqb: panic and shoot

[rocky plover]

when in doubt, frag out

[ivory geyser]

I don't know cqc was used in mgs so much that i prefer using cqb

[ivory geyser]

Hostages are gonna be very happy

[rocky plover]

ye cqb is like the generic term tbh, but technically RoN is more cqc than cqb tbh

[ivory geyser]

If there are no hostages just blow the building

[rocky plover]

[ivory geyser]

Ig

[wide verge]

CQC is more hand to hand combat, knives and such

CQB involves firearms

[languid tide]

Nerd (im one as well dw)

[ivory geyser]

You can't use martial arts in ready or not can you?

[rocky plover]

well cqc also involves firearms sometimes but in closer ranges, while cqb is more for the military type and longer ranges

[wide verge]

No

[upper quiver]

We can all agree here that Greased palms is the arguably the worst mission

[rocky plover]

imagine XD

[ivory geyser]

Ana might take that title now

Greased palms is breeze compared to that

[sonic sleet]

Yeah no try ana lol

[languid tide]

Tied with carries of the vine

[rocky plover]

ANA and 3LT are the hardest imo

[languid tide]

That old lady mission is fucking annoying

[ivory geyser]

When in doubt 9bang

[sonic sleet]

Carriers of the vine is t even that bad

[upper quiver]

I mean it’s not hard per say

But the tasks you have to do

[ivory geyser]

Ana has motion detectors lol

[upper quiver]

Like arrest the fifsa agent

[sonic sleet]

Have you played ana? lol

[upper quiver]

and arrest the three other non hostile suspects

[ivory geyser]

You can't even see those without nvgs

[upper quiver]

But then one of the squad members

[sonic sleet]

Yes you can

[upper quiver]

End up killing the dude

[rocky plover]

ye but 3lt has more suspects lol

[ivory geyser]

??

[sonic sleet]

Boxes on the wall

[upper quiver]

Carries of the vine is easy

[rocky plover]

ye i spot them without nvg's most of the time, got used to their spawns

[sonic sleet]

Facts

[ivory geyser]

Ah right

[wide verge]

Triad is tough layout wise

[upper quiver]

Non lethal goes for certain missions

[rocky plover]

yeah i still remember doing that on hard S, took a while

[upper quiver]

Like the dorms

[sonic sleet]

Did you get the achievement on 3lt

[rocky plover]

ye i've 100% achievements rn

[ivory geyser]

What do you guys think what weapon could contend for long range non lethal weapon

[rocky plover]

only need hard S on ANA and i can rest in peace 😄

[sonic sleet]

Ah you don’t have the bugged home invasion one?

[upper quiver]

I mean you can use a pepper ball gun but then again

It’s not going to do much in having them surrender

[languid tide]

But annoying as heck

[rocky plover]

only 1 bugged on pc is my eyes it burns but found a workaround

[ivory geyser]

I am pretty sure it isn't effective after certain range

[sonic sleet]

Oh on Xbox home invasion 100% completion is broken

[upper quiver]

All you need is a bean bag shotty and flashes

[rocky plover]

ye there's a couple bugged ones on console sadly most of the dlc ones iirc

[upper quiver]

Bean bag shotty then

It’s way more affective

[rocky plover]

m32a1 flash, beanbag, pepperball guns in that order from best to worst imho

[ivory geyser]

Yeah since the projectile itself is super light it could work

[upper quiver]

I always carry a flash bang launcher

[ivory geyser]

But i am pretty sure it's gonna deviate a lot

[upper quiver]

That has to be a good side arm

[ivory geyser]

What about mgl

[rocky plover]

you're referring to m320 i think, good as well, but i am speaking about the primary m32a1

[rocky plover]

ye those are good for long tacticals as well

[upper quiver]

I want to get it but then again I don’t wanna drop 10 bucks on some in game weapons

[ivory geyser]

Oh that's what they are called

I forgot ron uses castrated gun names

[rocky plover]

yea

[ivory geyser]

You get only one shot tho

You could get ambushed while reloading or empty

[upper quiver]

Am I the only one who does this? I have a ton of different operator outfits for specific missions I do

[ivory geyser]

It's cool and cag

[rocky plover]

yea still good though, 4 extra instant flashes is op imo on top of the 6 shooter launcher

[sonic sleet]

Yeah facts

[ivory geyser]

Although in hard they stun only for 4 seconds

[rocky plover]

ye i got taser as backup for that

i aint reloading while they still not cuffed

[sonic sleet]

Yessir

[ivory geyser]

Taser is 50/50 flip coin lol

[sonic sleet]

Not if you hit your shots lol

[rocky plover]

m32a1 as primary with m320 as long tactical, light armor steel front coverage is op, with 12 slots towards m32a1 and 1 slot taser, thats 22 instant flashes total

[ivory geyser]

What about door wedges

[rocky plover]

i give those to the Ai if i decide to even use the AI

[sonic sleet]

Yeah that’s the move

[rocky plover]

if not il close every door behind me and hope that in case a door gets opened behind me, i have time to react lol

but i rarely leave uncleared space behind me anyways

[sonic sleet]

Homeboy lives on hopes and dreams lol

[rocky plover]

wedges are cool and all but i aint sacrificing flashbang ammo for them XD

[sonic sleet]

Depends on map

[rocky plover]

probably due to my aggressive playstyle rather than defensive

i do take some wedges when im playing multiplayer though, but when im going solo, i rarely take wedges so i can stack more on flash ammo

[rocky plover]

ye ofc, on ANA i do take at least 1 or 2 sets of wedges, there's so many doors

[sonic sleet]

I got 3 sets on my solo run lol

[rocky plover]

nice

i tried with 12 flashbang ammo (18 total due to 6 free), 2 sets of wedges, 1 taser (stab vest for 15 slots) and still was running out of ammo before i get to the ammo box sometimes, shit's tough on solo XD

[signal patrol]

“A strange man will come to visit you, dont accept his offer”

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I’m using lethal I wasn’t even fucking w that

[rocky plover]

ohhh i see

[sonic sleet]

I know you run out of flashes too quick especially solo lol

[rocky plover]

i managed to get to ammo box sometimes, but i either die on the 22nd floor or in court room lol

[wide verge]

S ranking certain maps before the primary flash launcher must've been a pain in the ass

[rocky plover]

yeah true

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I mean I’m going for programmed psychosis I did my hard s w a team of real players

[rocky plover]

i had to do 3LT hard S with beanbag cos with flash launcher for sure there's not enough ammo to do it solo

28 suspects ........

[rocky plover]

ye that's ideal

forgot exactly what i used for my PP run

5 slots buckshot, 1 slot JHP for .50AE

[wide verge]

That's wild

[rocky plover]

6 9 bangs i think

[sonic sleet]

Why jhp

[rocky plover]

and 1 taser

yea i had no wedges xD

[sonic sleet]

That’s crazy

[rocky plover]

or wait i think i didnt have taser, so i might have had 1 set of wedge

[rocky plover]

1 shots to limbs on tight doorway peeks

thats where i used it only

if i would have used it to hit center mass then ye definitely AP but i used it on limbs when i peek through doorways where shotgun would have limited my movement

[sonic sleet]

You ran stab vest on pp?

[rocky plover]

light armor, front only steel

[sonic sleet]

Ah why front only lol

[rocky plover]

to be faster on acceleration tbh

and i only ever get shot to limbs or front plate tbh

[stark dew]

Shield + JHP .50 cal pistol go brrr

[wide verge]

If you get shot from behind you already fucked up

[rocky plover]

ye pretty much lol

[sonic sleet]

True but still lol

[rocky plover]

front and back with ceramic is good, but with steel i prefer front only cos of the speed penalty

[short bough]

after playing and beating, leviathan has to be my favorite mission, i’m obsessed with ocean structures and oil rigs alike, totally was not expecting an oil rig mission in this game.

[rocky plover]

and i aint gonna use ceramic against those guys

there too much of them

[stark dew]

I heard it’s pain to S rank

[sonic sleet]

Yeah lol I mean it doesn’t matter they one tap steel

[short bough]

i can believe that, i got B first run, took me a while to find the livestream though.

[wide verge]

I tried light steel the other day. The acceleration difference was very noticeable compared to ceramic

[rocky plover]

on hard mode yeah the increased fire rate they have, makes them feel like you get 1 tapped alot lol

[rocky plover]

full coverage ceramic or front/back ceramic?

[sonic sleet]

I just wish void improved their ai instead of just making them inhuman to make it harder

[stark dew]

What guns do you prefer for hard mode?

[sonic sleet]

Depends on map

[wide verge]

Front back

[stark dew]

Some people I spoke to said that 556 does not cut it for hardmode so they prefer bigger caliber

[sonic sleet]

Not true

[rocky plover]

if maps have L4 armor highest, then 5.56AP
if maps have L3 armor highest, then .300 blackout JHP
if maps have L2 armor highest, then MP7 with JHP
buckshot shotguns also work for all the above XD

[rocky plover]

and what did you try front/back steel or front only steel?

[sonic sleet]

Why jhp blackout lol

[stark dew]

Effective on limbs

[rocky plover]

^^

[stark dew]

Shoot someone’s leg and obliterate them

[wide verge]

Ceramic front back and steel front back

[rocky plover]

i try to avoid AP whereever i can

[wide verge]

I never run side plates

[rocky plover]

ohh i see, then ye you see some slight speed penalty but not alot

[stark dew]

I feel like side plates are more important than the back plates

[rocky plover]

but if you compare, front+back ceramic to front only steel, its pretty much identical

[rocky plover]

true but sadly we cant choose front + side XD

and i run light for 2 extra slots, i dont like heavy that much

[wide verge]

JHP rounds expand and cause more tissue damage. AP penetrates armor but can cause through and through shots on unarmored targets, especially on limbs

[rocky plover]

yea but JHP .300blackout still penetrates L3 armor very well thats why i still use jhp instead of ap for L3

just in case i hit limbs as well

[stark dew]

JHP LVAR goes ballin’

It would be nice to know which level has certain armor levels

[wide verge]

Somewhat unrealistic but yea the lvar shreds with jhp

[rocky plover]

yeah gunfighter fixes the unrealistic part XD

[rocky plover]

good but the arn180 shreds too XD

[stark dew]

I feel like guns are practically reskins of each other

[wide verge]

Im on ps5. I don't play enough games and travel too much for a gaming pc

[rocky plover]

true

[wide verge]

Tbh 5.56 AR types will perform similarly in real life. I actually feel like they portray minor differences quite well

[rocky plover]

check MMMM(O_O) spreadsheet

it has all the available info

[wide verge]

The pdw is the worst .300

Too much recoil

[rocky plover]

recoil wise yes, but length wise its the best xD

[wide verge]

Also not with an integrated suppressor

I rarely use it

MP7 is great tho

[rocky plover]

ye same i rarely use it as well

i love the mp7

much more than the p90 even though the p90 feels more common to use amongst everyone

[stark dew]

Today I used the P90 on that house mission in stories of los suenos

Horizontally swiping my gun through the room without letting go of m1 was nice

All 3 suspects were left incapacitated at best

[rocky plover]

😂😂

I feel like the mp7 is way easier to control than the p90 though that's why I prefer it

[stark dew]

P90 allows you to not really care about precision