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[hexed escarp]

i didnt bring nvgs i think idk i dont remember

all that matters is you only use lethal pistols and no grenades or launchers so

[primal matrix]

just asking cuz some achievements dont work if u use nvg..

[hexed escarp]

ts is why we need a 500 S&W btw

[primal matrix]

im at 50/66 heading to platinum

[knotty storm]

mkv with laser pointer looks way more awesome

hardballer esque

[hexed escarp]

im a MK-V fan and thats cap brah

500 S&Ws are way cooler

[knotty storm]

i be taking ur clothes now

[hexed escarp]

erm... like off my body? 🤨

[deep patio]

what the heck is going on here

[hexed escarp]

im being victimized

[cedar mulch]

In fact, their models do indeed feature armour

[hexed escarp]

only like half of them ackshually

the other half literally only have like blue striped t-shirts

[tacit gull]

none of the models on fast food have any armor despite the fact they're coded to the highest armor in the game

and they're active shooter

[somber wolf]

custom laser

[bitter mason]

I think they did change that
the armour value that is
I think they still wear armour tho

[stoic thistle]

You know, I'm starting to think that the MLO are an anti-usia force.

[tacit gull]

I highly doubt it since VOID thinks forcing the highest armor value is the only way active shooter doesn't feel like shit in the game (it feels like shit in the game)

[bitter mason]

I swear they changed it in a LSS hot fix

[tacit gull]

Also is it true that the yacht timer got cut in half?

I played it recently and it felt like utter horseshit

[bitter mason]

dunno

it was always pretty short

just have to get the lead guy as quick as possible

I've had him """order""" the active shooting while in the same room as me just before surrendering

[tacit gull]

that mission must be SO MUCH FUN on commander mode

[round compass]

bro they laced the AI with steroids and marijuana + crack combined ANA

[vast flax]

Probably the wrong channel, but is anyone else having issues with c2 not being usable anywhere?

[tacit gull]

not being usable as in?

[hexed escarp]

theres no timer on yacht im pretty sure no? the guy himself triggers it with the alarm tablet things if he hears you

either way its not too hard to bag the prince dude if you just take the middle spawn cus hes usually there

[tacit gull]

it is on a timer, it has nothing to do with him seeing you or any tablets

he can do it from anywhere on the ship with no indication

if you dont get lucky you fail the mission, easy as

and if you get lucky but not fast enough you fail the mission

[hexed escarp]

if ur good luck doesnt matter.. .heh

[tacit gull]

you cannot clear that entire ship in 2 minutes bro

no matter how good you are you don't move fast enough

[hexed escarp]

you dont need to clear it just the part hes on

then he doesnt trigger alarm and guards dont start shooting

[tacit gull]

he can be anywhere

[hexed escarp]

hes usually on the middle tho

[tacit gull]

he can be anywhere from the engine room to the top of the ship

[hexed escarp]

i've never found him in the engine room only the middle/top

[tacit gull]

and he never surrenders so if he has guards with him you better hope you flashbanged him

[hexed escarp]

or just kill all of them

like its not that hard

[tacit gull]

you're right, it's up to luck, not difficulty

[hexed escarp]

im right that yacht is SKILLFUL

if ur goated like me its so easy

[vast flax]

As in i select it and there’s nowhere on doors to place it. My whole lobby could not explode doors last night

[tacit gull]

are you sure? it should be somewhere above the door handle

on every door

[vast flax]

200% sure, i have like 200 hours pre-boiling dlc

[rocky plover]

it was moved higher on the door handle with a recent update

so try hovering somewhere along that area, and you should get it

[vast flax]

Is the little icon distance and view sensitive? Will have to try tonight

[rocky plover]

wdym? it's the same as before iirc, just moved slightly higher

[vast flax]

Weird, then maybe it is broken on my end

[rocky plover]

some sort of mod/s? idk

[vast flax]

Just movespeed and more slots, will remove and troubleshoot this evening

[rocky plover]

alright

[pliant juniper]

Anyone got any tips for S rank No Good Deed? Can’t seem to do it.

[tacit gull]

m32a1 flash left click whenever something relatively blue moves

[pale spruce]

is the medal of valor achievement bugged?

[naive marsh]

Remy come

Remy sit

Remy open and clear

[muted light]

what does deluxe edit gives

[molten wasp]

What's the most disturbing or sad 911 call

[crystal tundra]

neon tomb is pretty fucked up

[molten wasp]

Elephant with the female student

Lethal obsession 911 call Is disturbing with the siren blaring In the background

[crystal tundra]

oh yeah elephant too of course, i havent listened to the ones from the pier yet, i forgor

[molten wasp]

Yeah the pier mission Is disturbing, especially hearing shots from the background and hearing them say LSPD are shooting us like what? Our own police department shooting civilians?

[crystal tundra]

living in los suenos really is like that one mr incredible image where he looks dessicated

gotham city tiers of evil fuckery

imagine trying to get anything done in that city, you go to the dmv to get your drivers license renewed and SOMEHOW a gang of miscreants decides to rob a government agency

[molten wasp]

City of dreams my ass, should be called el diablo city of the devils

[molten wasp]

Reminds me of those POV videos from GTA 5 the way you describe It, sounds terrifying

[crystal tundra]

i think its comical almost

like, the city is so fucked its funny, theres still trashbags EVERYWHERE in the boiling point

the trashmen are still on strike

[molten wasp]

True, one mission that scares me Is carrier of the vines

[crystal tundra]

those flower statues still freak me out

[stoic thistle]

Let's see, garbage strike, homelessness, underfunded low morale police, drug smuggling, weapon smuggling, human trafficking, 5 mass shootings, and an energy crisis.

[hardy marlin]

Whats the best armor plate type for light armor?

[rocky plover]

Ever since steel got buffed it's the best currently for surviving the most shots, and acceleration penalty was reduced so it's not as slow as it was before (ceramic still faster but not as strong as steel) at the end of the day it's personal preference however

[hardy marlin]

Steel armor it is ig

[rocky plover]

I run light armor, steel, front coverage only

[hardy marlin]

Does front and back slow you down?

[rocky plover]

A bit more than just front only, but not that noticeable

Full coverage is where it's starts to be very noticeable

But that's only possible with heavy cos of side plates( light armor can't take side plates, so no full coverage option)

[hardy marlin]

So then would you say youre not.... full metal?

[rocky plover]

Correct

[warm gate]

Patrolling los suenos almost makes you wish for nuclear winter

[charred olive]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[rocky plover]

@crude prism so I saw that you saw my screenshot that I tagged you in, so what do you think about this, just another bug from void or what lol? So is the VIP counted as separate you think from the total count or what?

[halcyon snow]

when the gun is to an unreachable area can't do anything but restart right?
nvmù just move it with my flash leauncher let's go

[potent valley]

Does anyone have any tips for completing active shooter missions with the SWAT AI? I've been trying to do the new docks mission and the suspects always seem to execute at least 2 hostages before I can get to them...

[potent valley]

If you're playing in singleplayer you could try to have your AI teammates pick those up, otherwise you do have to restart.

[hard jackal]

You can attempt to use a flash cannon to get it unstuck

[rocky plover]

It should get auto secured if it falls to a place where it's unreachable if not try a grenade or something or tell AI to search and secure it

[hard jackal]

Is that why I sometimes get random knive pick ups? Happens mostly on twisted I notice

[rocky plover]

My successful attempt was ignoring the arcade and securing the exterior first because that's where the civvies are mostly - outside, then secure the arcade for last, still require a bit of rng luck especially on hard mode since it has around 5 more suspects.

[rocky plover]

Yea, especially that map and rust belt which happens the most, that 'mechanic' was introduced instead of fixing the actual problem lol, but still better than nothing I guess

[wide verge]

Pier is rng heavy like other active shooter missions. Suspect spawns can make or break a successful run

[potent valley]

So, I suppose that the boat infil would be the way to go, and the best route would be carousel -> small shops -> haunted house -> side exterior areas -> arcade?

I've had issues (possibly of skill) with missions like this since 1.0 came out, I wish the swat AI could move a little faster in these scenarios

[rocky plover]

Parking lot is more linear but all spawn points can work tbh, which boat infil exactly as there's 2 of them that are with boat afaik, docks and the other forgot it's name

Focus on exterior and some of the shops that usually have suspects such as the food shop etc.. personally from all my runs that I did I only had once where there was a suspect in the haunted house so I wouldn't waste time checking it

And arcade doesn't have civilians so I would leave that for last, but be careful not to take super long or the ones inside arcade will come out searching for civilians which makes it 10x harder trying to clear the whole exterior again

[potent valley]

I was thinking of the one that puts us near the back entrance of the arcade, that one seems closer to the highest average civvie population (open areas + small shops). I also did have an extremely unlucky spawn in my last attempt and had about 2 suspects in the haunted house. I got the first one from outside and the 2nd one executed some hostages right as I was going back to properly clear it.

[potent valley]

I guess I could wedge the arcade doors to keep the suspects in (the 2 double doors and the single side alley door)

[rocky plover]

With parking lot entrance you can kinda clear linear (clockwise) and avoid back tracking, with other spawns you kinda have to pick where to go first if either left or right and then have to back track to other side

Personal preference though

[rocky plover]

You can't because it's scripted to when you get close to it the door automatically opens with a civvie running out and dying (doesn't affect score btw) and it would be hard to close it and wedge it as they instantly start blasting

[hardy marlin]

ok lockpick gun is real nice, and the more speed of steel front only light is super nice

also arn irons are so nice

[rocky plover]

I find it a waste of slot tbh, but it is nice sometimes if you have the space for it

[potent valley]

That is true, I guess it really is extremely rng-dependent. However, if I can close those first doors that open and wedge them it might help to keep those 1-2 hostiles locked in the arcade while I clear everything else. I think I should also remap the default command for the AI for both locked and unlocked doors now that feature should be fixed... Anyways, thanks a lot for the tips!

[hardy marlin]

tbh i have 2 wedges and 5 flashes, i had the space

[rocky plover]

Yea front only helps with slightly more acceleration I feel like

Nice, that's good, I just like having more utility plus I have a breaching shotgun most of the time for my lethal loadouts xD

[potent valley]

the breaching shotgun also can be used to blow open the upper hinge-side corner of wooden doors to let you throw grenades in safer

[rocky plover]

True but keep in mind the arcade has 3 main double doors and another set of doors near the back alley of the haunted house

[hardy marlin]

breach shotty is loud, lockpick gun much less loud

[rocky plover]

Ye that's what I do, can also disable traps without even peeking the door

Which is op

[rocky plover]

True but not as loud as ram xD

[potent valley]

I guess the lockpick gun can be good if you're trying to do some stealth near the beginning? iirc doing basically anything breaks stealth, i.e. shouting, shooting even with suppressors

[hardy marlin]

also like, mirrorgun is waaaaay to good for me to pass up

[hardy marlin]

speed

speed while solo

[rocky plover]

I got used without the mirrorgun, feels like cheating to me now lol, so m320 flash for when I'm S ranking and breaching shotgun when I'm going lethally

[rocky plover]

I think it's only faster than normal lock pick not actually more silent

[hardy marlin]

alr ima try breach shotty but like, i have an extra slot and idk what to put it in

[potent valley]

Well yeah, ofc. The speed can definitely help with getting into better spots while the suspects don't know you're there yet.

[rocky plover]

They are both silent afaik as long as you approach the door quietly

[hardy marlin]

or wait, 6 flashes

[rocky plover]

For my lethal loadouts i take 4 primary, 2 secondary, 6 9 bangs, 1 taser

[rocky plover]

Ye true

[hardy marlin]

i use 4 primary. 1 secondary, 5 flashes (ima try 9 bangs), 2 wedges, lockpick gun

[rocky plover]

Nice, also good

[potent valley]

Wouldn't 6 flashes be more consistent? the 9 bangers have a 5m radius while the flashbangs have something like 8 ish meters. 9 bangs seem to be goated for smaller rooms, while flashes remain king for slightly more open areas. I don't really know how either of these 2 fair up against stingers though

[rocky plover]

Flashbangs got 10m, stingers 12m, 9 bangs 5m
M320 flash and stinger are both 10m though

I prefer the 9 bangs because they stun slightly longer and also has the most morale damage due to the multiple bangs

They just need to be thrown accurately due to the lowest radius

[proper pasture]

Probably been asked a bunch but is psvr support ever gonna happen?

[rocky plover]

And I hate stingers so I will never use those personally

Too many issues for me with them

[potent valley]

True, I guess I could also switch to 9 bangs as my primary grenade. I also kind of hate stingers, they punish us a bit too hard for slightly wonky positioning

[potent valley]

I don't recall void saying anything about adding support for that, however I wouldn't completely lose hope

[rocky plover]

Causes friendly fire
Roll too much and lands in unwanted spaces
Too big to throw through small gaps
Can kill/incap if spammed
Uhh the list is endless

[proper pasture]

[rocky plover]

9 bangs also go off quicker due to the shorter fuse

[potent valley]

Yeah, I remember they were pretty good back in swat 4, but this is a completely different game xd

[rocky plover]

Yea..

I mean they are still good and maybe usable for other people but not my cup of tea

Gas is also pretty usable again now, but I kinda got used to the instant stun of flashes/9 bangs now as well as having both anti flash goggles and ballistic mask

[potent valley]

does the ballistic mask make that big of a difference? I think the suspects can defeat that pretty easily on some of the harder maps

[proper pasture]

I find gas to be better when there isn’t a lot of cover since they can’t recover from that as fast as a flash

[rocky plover]

Yea true valid point

[rocky plover]

Yea it's quite good imho

[regal tundra]

it lets you survive 1 more headshot

[rocky plover]

Increases the helmet protection afaik

[regal tundra]

plus 33% ricochet chance

[rocky plover]

^ exactly

[potent valley]

I see, I'll look into it. It's been a long while since I've actually played this game... I think I took a break from it around the time they released the game on console. I'm just glad to see they've fixed so many bugs with this latest major update. I guess the devs had a lot of tech debt :)

[pine token]

reverse happened for me :/

[regal tundra]

Unless you're using gas or doing some kind of outfit/armor-related challenge or RP, probalby should always bring a ballistic maks

just makes your helmet better with no downside

[rocky plover]

Yeah agree and it's what I do, helmet + gpnvg + anti flash goggles + ballistic mask is pretty much my go-to standard

[regal tundra]

the real question is white or green

[rocky plover]

White, always white for me

[tacit gull]

amber

[regal tundra]

this ain't insurgency

[rocky plover]

Green gives me a headache after a while

[pine token]

do you guys actually use night vision ever

i don't even use it on twisted nerve

[regal tundra]

its good on port

[tacit gull]

no

[rocky plover]

Sometimes, but not that often

[pine token]

the normal flashlight attachment is way better on port

[regal tundra]

I cant stand the flashlight lol

[rocky plover]

True but now suspects can see flashlight so I guess nvg has better usage now

[regal tundra]

its too bright for my special eyes

[pine token]

suspects can see flashlights?

[regal tundra]

Yep

[rocky plover]

Yea

[regal tundra]

It just makes them suspicious

[pine token]

i've jus hardmode s ranked almost every mission spamming the flashlight and never even noticed that lol

[regal tundra]

its like if they hear you through a wall, or see you open a door

[rocky plover]

It can work to your advantage sometimes, makes them come searching and be suspicious but sometimes they can run away and camp in a better position

Baited a couple suspects with it on ANA though xD

[pine token]

u done ana yet?

[rocky plover]

Did programmed psychosis and S on standard

Last map that I need for all Hard S though

[pine token]

ah, i did a game a few hours ago on hard s

was doing very well, probably would've completed it but the boiling point patch crash gods had decided it was not to be this time

[rocky plover]

Yea that annoying

[crystal tundra]

i have seen the light of free leaning, i wasnt aware i can actually go prone somewhat

[rocky plover]

Yea free lean is op can see suspects without them seeing you if used properly

[willow arch]

Why is every suspect more accurate than John Wick when firing on full auto, looking behind their back, AND running?

[rocky plover]

Did both endings as well and got the 4 cosmetics but still need fucking S on hard on it..... Last one ffs

[pine token]

i wanna do it but with the game being so unstable it's disheartening to go into a mission and not know whether it's gonna be a crashed game or not

[rocky plover]

True I feel you

[pine token]

this patch feels like it wasn't bug tested

there is just so many bugs

[rocky plover]

Feels that way with every update tbh, not enough play testing but it is what it is...

[pine token]

i have seen things on this game wilder than what i saw pre 1.0

i was on mirage at sea yesterday and an arrested suspect flew through the yacht

like actually flew down the stairs from another floor

[rocky plover]

Yeah that's what happens when new stuff gets Introduced and older stuff gets broken lol it's an chain reaction of fixing/breaking stuff

Lmao

[hardy marlin]

is there a grip better for like, iron sight aquisition? cause theyre kinda lagging a lot on the arn

[hollow finch]

friend sent me a clip of a similar thing, flashed and shot at a suspect that just elevatored to the next floor up

[hollow finch]

bro it takes 30 seconds to just test in firing range.

[hardy marlin]

no

[hollow finch]

yes it does?

[pine token]

yeah the game is super bugged, feels like playing a pre-release version

[hardy marlin]

no im not doing it cause no

[crystal tundra]

apart from perps shrugging off 308 i havent encountered any gamebreaking bugs

[pine token]

the worst aside from crashing is probably the low framerate mirrorgun just because it's always there

[edgy citrus]

Would Void Interactive add an LMG? I feel lots of players would go crazy if there was an lmg added

[rocky plover]

Sometimes it's there sometimes not for me, super weird

[potent valley]

the angled grip should help with aim speed, if that's what you want. However the difference is extremely minor. I prefer to run the combat grip as that reduces gun sway while aiming afaik

[pine token]

it's always been there for me the moment boiling point dropped unfortunately, no settings i mess with can do anything

[potent valley]

if you run the mirrorgun in PiP mode you also can't really see much of anything on it due to how much aliasing there is on the picture

[rocky plover]

Yea I heard the FPS cap for the mirrorgun is stuck - irrelevant to what you set it too so that might be why

[hollow finch]

I very very highly doubt it

[pine token]

it's actually the case in both pip and fullscreen for me

[potent valley]

in fullscreen it just adds a lot of film grain to the image, the aliasing shouldn't be more extreme than the normal gameplay

[willow arch]

Idk man, an LMG seems more useful to kill than to save lives. Reminder that this is a SWAT team not a Spetsnaz team lol

[pine token]

it's not the aliasing it's the framerate for me

it's like 10fps when it's capped at like 120 and was working perfectly fine pre-boiling point

[potent valley]

ah, I see... that sucks

[crystal tundra]

to be fair, this is los suenos we are talking about
i think using a lmg to clear a room seems appropriate

[proper pasture]

Sometimes for fun I’ll go on leviathan and just toss the activists off the rig

[crystal tundra]

even if clearing the room involves filling it with lead

[pine token]

content wise one of the best updates, bugs wise easily the single worst update ever for me

[proper pasture]

Browning M2 when?

[edgy citrus]

Oh I know, I was just askin

[willow arch]

Surely soneone has made a mod for one

[proper pasture]

sad console noises

[potent valley]

with the type of missions we're getting sent on lately we're essentially a diet version of team rainbow from the old r6 games

[rocky plover]

Swat from temu

[potent valley]

btw, @rocky plover , those tips worked, just got an A grade on the pier mission. Thanks! I'm definitely switching to 9bangs and front only steel armor

[rocky plover]

Nice! If you want to be even faster you could try ceramic if ya want for that map and let the AI with steel (they match your speed anyways)

[potent valley]

I think I'm fine with trading a small amount of speed for better front protection. We're almost never surviving getting shot in the back anyways so I won't be missing out on much when compared to front & back ceramic

[rocky plover]

Yea I meant front only ceramic (in comparison to front only steel to be slightly faster if ya want)

But still good nonetheless so don't worry

[regal tundra]

bots are better off with full armor

they don't do a good job of facing enemies

[potent valley]

was about to say that

[rocky plover]

Yeah leave the bots with heavy armor, full coverage, steel plates

They match your speed so that's good

[potent valley]

Also, do they have infinite ammo or not? I've seen conflicting info online. I've been running them with only 1 mag for their rifles and pistols and I haven't had them run dry yet

[rocky plover]

Yep 1 mag primary, 1 mag secondary gives them unlimited mags for both, they still reload normally when they run out but they don't run out of magazines

[potent valley]

Alright, thanks for the confirmation. I wasn't sure if I've just been getting lucky with the AI's ammo or not

[rocky plover]

Yea understandable

For the m32a1 primary launcher you can give them 0 slots and they would still have infinite because by default it has a full drum already

[potent valley]

Huh, that's neat. Might be really good if you want to run shields

[rocky plover]

Or stack them on wedges, c2 and other utility like I do, I avoid giving them shield sometimes, they seem to be hit or miss with it

So I basically use them as a utility backpack 😂

[potent valley]

I usually also give them a lot of utility too, they seem to equip/unequip the shield at the worst possible times

[rocky plover]

Yeah that's why I avoid giving it to them

It's like they still try to use the primary lol

[potent valley]

I'm also unsure if they work better with the ram or breach shotgun. They sort of miss out on the shotgun's best features (long range breaches, wood door trick) so I'd be more inclined to give them the ram. I have however kept the shotgun on them basically since the early access days mostly due to swat 4 sef nostalgia. What do you run on them as far as breaching tools go?

[wide verge]

I'm starting to like Pier. Parking Lot start makes the most sense for sure

[rocky plover]

Tbh first of all I rarely play with AI, either solo or MP
And when I do play with them it's S rank most of the time so I give them mirrorgun while I use m320 flash for myself
As for breaching they have c2 as well or can also choose to pick lock or kick the door
But if I had to pick shotgun or ram for them I would use the shotgun because its not as loud as the ram and also has more morale damage afaik

[wide verge]

I feel like for swat ai the ram is better. Faster

[potent valley]

The duality of man

I guess I'll test the ram out myself, see if I like it better

[rocky plover]

I mean they're both good tbh

I might be too biased with the breaching shotgun because to how I use it personally

[wide verge]

Trust @rocky plover on moral damage tho. I have no clue. If the shotgun has more moral damage that's better obviously

[rocky plover]

I also hate that the ram leaves a big hole in a wooden door

I like to always close doors behind me so ik know if I'm getting flanked and have time to react and with a big hole in the door I can't do this lol or if I go in an area I already cleared and see an opened door I would know it's not clear anymore.

[wide verge]

I run shotgun on myself, stopped using mirror gun. Alpha gets ram, Charlie shotgun

[wide verge]

Good tactic and fair point

[rocky plover]

But I think with ram it's slightly faster for AI true because on metal doors the ram instantly opens it whereas with breaching shotgun they need to kick it after they shoot the lock

So advantages and disadvantages to both I guess

[wide verge]

Yea exactly. Honestly both do the job. Comes down to preference

[rocky plover]

I think this is the best setup NGL between ram and breach Sg

[wide verge]

I give alpha and Charlie one c2 each as well. This way red and blue both have good breaching tools available

[rocky plover]

Yes that's nice, the more dedicated loadouts the better for more variety. I'm a bit lazy when it comes down to AI loadouts as I don't use them as often lol, I do have several loadouts for myself though.

[hardy tendon]

This is not true, shotgun can be heard from further distance than ram. Make same amount of noise as kicking.

[rocky plover]

You sure?

[hardy tendon]

Positive

[rocky plover]

IL have to double check maybe it was changed then

[hardy tendon]

It’s a gun vs a big stick

[wide verge]

Babysitting swat ai is a full time job and they're often a liability. I try to deal with it for roleplay purposes tho

[rocky plover]

True hahaha

[hardy tendon]

Quietest way to open doors has always been peeking them and then swinging, next best would probably be be ram, then shotgun, then c2

Hasn’t changed

Guns can be heard at only a slightly higher distance as yelling for compliance though, so sound is a negligible factor

[wide verge]

How does c2, ram, shotgun and kicking compare regarding morale decrease?

[hardy tendon]

Loud is always scary

[rocky plover]

10m for shotgun, 12.5 for ram it says... Idk then

[wide verge]

Yea obviously, just not sure how realistic the game handles those things

[hardy tendon]

It scares them makes them more nervous/anxious

[rocky plover]

Ye it's funny how yelling, opening doors and shooting is almost the same lol

[hardy tendon]

It’s somewhat realistic in that regard, wish it affected their aim though

[wide verge]

Loud breach+yelling is enough sometimes

[hardy tendon]

I mean their kinda different but you only notice on big ass maps

[hardy tendon]

C2 is usually my way to go for style points

[rocky plover]

Not to mention all maps are 20m while ANA is 50m lol

[hardy tendon]

Greased palms

[wide verge]

I only use it if there's no civ in sight

[hardy tendon]

Hide and seek, three letter triad

I do it even if there’s a civ, they won’t die

[rocky plover]

C2 is nice for those free arrests moment (but don't use it around civvies)

[wide verge]

On 3 letter triad i bring 6-8 c2s

[hardy tendon]

If they’re all up on the door they can incap, and if suspect morale is high enough they’ll fake death

[wide verge]

Can't bring myself to do it for roleplay purposes

[hardy tendon]

Civs run into gunfire anyway, most depts don’t use mirror guns anyway

If civs didn’t run from me into terrorist gunfire maybe I would care more

[rocky plover]

Civs can definitely get Incapped though as they have lower health than the lowest health suspects

[hardy tendon]

The worst that can happen is incap

I incap them on purpose sometimes if there’s just standing somewhere they are about to be shot when gunfire breaks out, it knocks them down and stops them from getting shot in back of head and actually dying

[wide verge]

Id get ptsd if I hit a civilian with a breaching charge

[hardy tendon]

On relapse and neon tomb theyre so bad at pathfinding when fleeing

[rocky plover]

0.2 ram
0.25 breach shotgun
0.4 c2

[hardy tendon]

That’s what i expected

The shotguns a lil louder and scarier

[wide verge]

Thanks buddy

Yea makes sense honestly

[hardy tendon]

But the ram is so nice

It’s way faster to set up

It’s like the fastest form of breaching I’d say

[rocky plover]

Kick has 3 separate values

[wide verge]

I like to make military style loadouts and ain't no one carrying a ram around

[rocky plover]

0.05 for failed kick
0.1 for success kick
0.5 for kick door into suspect

[hardy tendon]

Sometimes

[rocky plover]

Same

[wide verge]

Interesting

[hardy tendon]

Where do you think the battering ram came from? Armies!

[wide verge]

Breachers maybe sometimes. Shotgun is definitely more prevalent

[rocky plover]

While that is true, breaching shotgun saved me a couple times because it's way faster switching to a weapon after using it where as with ram it takes ages to switch but yeah you don't have to reload the ram which over the long run it's 'faster'

[wide verge]

Bolt cutters as well

[hardy tendon]

Big ol log with a rope was the old school battering ram

Ask Ancient Rome

[rocky plover]

Id say the best and most ideal would be ram for metal doors, breaching shotgun for wooden doors but can't have both on yourself hahaha

[hardy tendon]

Sparta

[wide verge]

That's going way back lol

[hardy tendon]

They still use them present day

[rocky plover]

So both got their uses and it comes down to personal preference

[hardy tendon]

They’ve been around longer than most countries

[wide verge]

I know they are used, especially by law enforcement

[hardy tendon]

I mean in the military specifically

[wide verge]

Yes but rarely

[hardy tendon]

No

[crystal tundra]

how do you suppose people broke down doors before breaching charges and shotguns?

[hardy tendon]

Entities Using Modern Battering Rams:

Military Units: Special forces, counter-terrorist teams, and military police frequently use handheld metal rams during raids, as indicated by their use in modern tactical operations to breach structures.

US Armed Forces: The United States Army Military Police Corps, Marine Corps Security Force Regiment, and Air Force Security Forces utilize these tools for tactical entry.

British Armed Forces: UK forces use the "Enforcer," a specially designed manual battering ram.

[hardy tendon]

Big ol stick or a big ol kick

[crystal tundra]

or an axe or hammer to be fair

[rocky plover]

I think they use halligan bars more than battering rams tbh

But breaching shotguns are also used quite a lot tbh

Ofc aside from c2 there's also thermal methods and not to mention bolt cutters where needed so it all depends on the situation

[wide verge]

I never said rams aren't being used. Other tools are used more often. On deployments ive seen doors breached with a ram maybe a handful of times. Breaching charges, shotguns and crowbars are used way more often than rams. Loadout weight is a big factor

[rocky plover]

Yes these are easier to carry as well ^

[hardy tendon]

it also depending where you are, a ram is aura but you get so hot

I’ve had to carry one through sand and it was so fkn hot I had bisters on my hand

Fair enough

But I mean you said “no military is using that” so I gave evidence otherwise

[wide verge]

For very specific ops it could make sense for a breacher to bring a ram, because of specific doors or other circumstances. But it's not part of a regular breacher loadout

[wide verge]

Misunderstanding

[rocky plover]

Rams are usually used ones and have to be dropped and then either recovered or just left there if it escalates to something else, but a simpler scenario such as responding to a just a house then yea a ram makes sense cos your not always on the move either if it makes sense

[hardy tendon]

[hardy tendon]

Yeah it makes sense that swat uses them

[rocky plover]

Yeah exactly ^

[hardy tendon]

They are not rated for endurance

Lol

[wide verge]

Exactly

[hardy tendon]

Still can be used in a Military loadout though

That’s all I’m sayin

[rocky plover]

Military ops often require you to go from point A to b to c to d and I don't see it being practical enough running with a ram as opposed to a shotgun if that makes sense

Yeah definitely I'm not saying it's not used

It definitely can be used

[wide verge]

Also swat isn't blowing up doors left and right like it happened in Iraq and Afghanistan with the military

[wide verge]

It can for sure

[hardy tendon]

Yesh, theyre also not using GA51 and SLR47

[rocky plover]

😂

[hardy tendon]

big ass battle rifles and shot

[wide verge]

Lol fair point

[hardy tendon]

50 Bmg pistol

[wide verge]

I use 5-6 guns in the game

[hardy tendon]

Glock with a switch 🫩🫩

[rocky plover]

Haha

[hardy tendon]

I like the 6.5mm but it’s a competition rifle

[rocky plover]

The g18c on semi actually slaps though 😎

Although the s2011p feels better to me

[hardy tendon]

This update gave us 2 John wick guns and a YN gun

[wide verge]

416, SR16, MP7, LVAR are my most used by far

[rocky plover]

And easier to control

[rocky plover]

Ikr lol

[hardy tendon]

U can prob guess what gun I use

Idk you might have to think about it

[rocky plover]

Hahaha 'probably'

[wide verge]

I would've preferred a HK 417/G28 or SR25/M110

[potent valley]

yeah, it re-centers almost instantly, so it's technically the best pistol for shooting fast

plus it has 24 round mags, so you're getting more bang for your loadout slot

[wide verge]

Also it looks cool

[hardy tendon]

Yeah I do love it ngl

[wide verge]

Important

[lilac hull]

Gotta fight fire with fire. Wasn't there a story about some chicago PD officer getting caught with a button on his issued glock not too long ago?

[hardy tendon]

whatttt

[last bolt]

What are your guys favorite fan made Challenge for this game

[potent valley]

nothing will make me drop my B92X however

[sly nest]

I did all maps snubnose only a long time ago.

[rocky plover]

Yeah has some slight horizontal recoil though but less vertical whereas the s2011 only has vertical which makes it easier to control for me imho but both easily the best 9mm pistols we have rn

[wide verge]

A new America. Hard, solo, 9mm pistol jhp rounds only

[hardy tendon]

Patrol cop

[civic fiber]

nah bro you gotta do no gun only throwables and equipment only

[last bolt]

For me it's the 90s challenge

[wide verge]

Im gonna shut up because im the last to play a new america on hard

[hardy tendon]

Yall do the tactician challenge? All maps, no shooting, only directing your team

[potent valley]

true, but tbh pistols are probably the one slot where it doesn't really matter what we pick as long as we don't go for any of the extremely low capacity ones

[hardy tendon]

the ai made me want to eat a baby

[wide verge]

Sounds like a headache

[rocky plover]

True, also the g18c has a bug right now which you can't do a tactical reload with rn so that's why I'm also sticking with the s2011P for now

[hardy tendon]

I only bring one mag so it does matter

1 pistol mag, 3 primary mag

It means I have to actually land my shots

[rocky plover]

Close enough I use 4 primary 2 secondary

Just because I like to larp

😂

But 3 is definitely doable

[wide verge]

5 primary, 1 secondary. But I should reduce primary to 4

[hardy tendon]

I use 762 it takes landing like 2 shots

[potent valley]

larping is probably a big reason why most of us bought this game in all honesty

[rocky plover]

Yea lol

[hardy tendon]

I play it to blow up city hall

[craggy fable]

the swat AI is so annoying sometimes, like god damn

[potent valley]

doesn't 5.56 perform basically about the same on hard as 7.62?

[hardy tendon]

No

[wide verge]

No shame in that

[hardy tendon]

762 better and Chad and aura and social credit

[rocky plover]

Well both take 2 shots on hard mode but 7.62 has guaranteed chance for arterial bleeds and higher stagger chance iirc

[wide verge]

If you use 7.62 it better be unsuppressed for sound

[hardy tendon]

Never a suppressor

They make the gun too long

[rocky plover]

Sfmb + vertical grip/th grip always for my rifles

To reduce that vertical recoil

[hardy tendon]

I do nothing but a flashlight and laser

[rocky plover]

Works wonders

Ye those as well

[wide verge]

I use a suppressor most times

[potent valley]

and probably for recoil control too, some of the rifles have extremely violent recoil (except the hk51, that thing is straight up busted - and I love it for that)

[hardy tendon]

I don’t run any other attachments

Its aura

[wide verge]

Might as well hip fire too lol

[rocky plover]

They need to fix the integrally suppressed weapons... They count as loud for stress mechanics -_-

[potent valley]

WHAT?!

[nova tree]

I wonder is Void allowed to remake the SWAT 4 maps or no?

[rocky plover]

Yea... LVAR and MP5SD6

[wide verge]

I used to lvar a lot, never knew. Wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't mentioned here. But it should be fixed

[rocky plover]

It's still a nice gun to use anyways

[potent valley]

definitely some licensing issues on that. Best bet is to play modded remakes

LVAR is probably my favorite gun in the game, mostly due to its length

[rocky plover]

Albeit the arn180 is slightly better

[potent valley]

and ammo, .300 blackout is nice

[potent valley]

true

the DD pdw is probably slightly better too

[rocky plover]

Ye .300 blackout JHP slaps on all missions except 4 missions lol

[potent valley]

they're both .300 blackout guns with really short barrels

[rocky plover]

Ddpdw has absurdly high recoil

[wide verge]

The dd pdw has higher recoil than lvar and 180

[hardy tendon]

Arn 180 is like the worst 300 blackout gun

[rocky plover]

But it's the shortest rifle so I guess balance lol

[sly nest]

Truth,
On other notes, I screwed up and had to reset my whole game
I need my cosmetics back so i am S ranking everything on casual first try. Because that's better than modding-
AH GOD I WILL HAVE TO S RANK THE DAMN ANA AGAIN

[hardy tendon]

Pdw is the best one

It has like no recoil with a suppressor

[rocky plover]

It has the least recoil

[tired jungle]

Funny how the most quiet gun irl has no suppressed mechanics in game

[rocky plover]

Ikr 😂

[hardy tendon]

Arn 180 I spit on u

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

Wdym no recoil are we playing the same game?! 1 shot and your looking at the ceiling

[wide verge]

The best gun is the one you like to use the most

[hardy tendon]

It’s a pdw it’s not a battle rifle what kinda ranges are u talking about

It has like no barrel where would the gas go

[wide verge]

Yea out of .300 the pdw has the highest recoil for sure

[rocky plover]

True

[hardy tendon]

Pdw is so chad

[rocky plover]

Well yea but not my point, we're comparing recoil

[wide verge]

I still like it

[hardy tendon]

What the fuck was that

[rocky plover]

But yeah it's the shortest rifle which is op around doorways

[wide verge]

Recoil is not much of an issue anyways on semi auto

[hardy tendon]

I haven’t used full auto on any gun in a mission why would you need it

[wide verge]

Me neither. Very very rarely with the mp7

[potent valley]

I'm also pretty bummed that SMGs are nearly useless in this game. It is very realistic, but I would definitely like to run them without feeling like I'm shooting myself in the foot. I guess the mp7 and p90 are decent unless you're up against lv4 plates, but the other smgs just feel awful. It'd have been nice if they dealt extra limb damage or something, even if it's not completely realistic...

[hardy tendon]

I don’t use smgs

[rocky plover]

I switch to full auto when I spawn in, but I actually fire in semi or 2/3 round bursts at most lol

Just like the convenience it offers lmao

[hardy tendon]

I prefer to shoot real bullets

[wide verge]

You can use a mp5 on a lot of maps vs unarmored suspects and be fine

[rocky plover]

Hahaha ofc

[hardy tendon]

Might as well bring slingshot and rocks

[rocky plover]

🤣

[hardy tendon]

The animation where they stretch out to shrug off the gunshots

[wide verge]

A buddy said 9mm is a form of less lethal

[hardy tendon]

Lmao

[jolly verge]

[potent valley]

9mm probably is the worst ammo type in the game though, so going for the 10mm mp5 might be a decent choice for unarmored targets

[rocky plover]

Yea I like using 9mm JHP for unarmoured and mp7 with JHP for up to L2 then for L3 and L4 rifles/shotguns it is lol

[hardy tendon]

I’ve use the pistols on s rank runs if suspect are armored

[potent valley]

3 shots to the chest on 9mm vs 2 shots on the 10mm

[hardy tendon]

Why bring small stick when you have big stick you can bring instead

[potent valley]

real

[wide verge]

One thing I don't do in this game is min/maxing. I just use what I like

[rocky plover]

10mm mp5 is literally the worst smg though lol

Same as .45acp damage wise with way more recoil

[hardy tendon]

762 and c2 and remember, no Russian

[rocky plover]

[potent valley]

probably, I do have to admit that I haven't used it much (mostly because I consider that straight mag to be an absolute eyesore)

[rocky plover]

Hahah true

[wide verge]

I used it a lot for classic rainbow six roleplay. Not....great. which is realistic

[rocky plover]

I think I've used the mp5a2 more than the mp510mm

Even though the mp5a3 is just better xD

[hardy tendon]

We need sig p320 as a sidearm with realistic functionality

[rocky plover]

But it's an OG GUN

[rocky plover]

shoots on its own?

[potent valley]

I would definitely run the mp5sd6 if it had a laser slot. If I'm using a significantly weaker gun I want to at least fully larp

[north oar]

how do i make my npc officers not so stupid ?

[hardy tendon]

I want to die mid mission bc I shook my pp off and bleed out taking it out the holster

[wide verge]

Mp5a2 is "aura" as they would say

[rocky plover]

Hahahahaha

[potent valley]

replace the stinger with a cluster of p320s that we can throw into rooms

[rocky plover]

Lmao

[hardy tendon]

Samsung Note grenades

[rocky plover]

[wide verge]

The flux raider is a 320. No ADs tho

[hardy tendon]

Yeah but it’s a primary

I wanna be able to shoot my leg bc i bump into a desk

[rocky plover]

Lol

[potent valley]

Also, I'm unsure as to how long it's been like this, but the light on the mp5sd6 seems to originate from the magwell?

[hardy tendon]

Very Human

[rocky plover]

@jolly verge I see you're here, so what did you think of the picture I tagged you in?

[wide verge]

I wanna know which dev was like "yea let's add a glock 18 with a switch". Madness lol

[rocky plover]

Yea lol

I seriously thought we were gonna get different calibre pistols not 2 more 9mm (not that I'm complaining though because they are actually very good)

[hardy tendon]

Fuck it a10 warthog danger close air strike when?

[rocky plover]

But .380, .40, .357, etc... would have been nice for variety

[wide verge]

Someone asked for a 50 cal sniper rifle

[hardy tendon]

RPG 7 when

[rocky plover]

Next dlc

[hardy tendon]

M240 is already in the game just give it to us lol

[potent valley]

they could realistically give us one of those funky looking .44 auto mags

[hollow finch]

against armor yes, against unarmored no

the bullet alone yea

[potent valley]

they do seem to like adding the occasionaly goofy sidearm

[lethal remnant]

How does anyone do Elephant? Every time I do that mission the bad guys just end up killing a hostage after like 4 minutes, and it doesnt help that the map is the size of texas

[crystal tundra]

step on the gas and let your ai mates zip up civs

[potent valley]

We've just had a discussion on that mission type earlier. You might also want to run front-only steel plates in your vest, you'll be fast and have pretty good survivability in firefights. Getting flanked is almost certainly a death sentence in this game, so you won't miss out on much by only running one plate in the front. Also, a common tip I've found online is to use realistic tactics for dealing with such situations, as in you clear the map normally until you hear noise (screams, gunfire or maybe something else), then you try to get to the source of the noise as fast as possible. You'll also want to figure out a route that works for you, I usually try to get to the lecture hall and cafeteria as fast as possible. You'll have to do some trial and error and hope for some good RNG...

[lethal remnant]

Why steel plates? wouldnt ceramic be better if its faster?

[potent valley]

steel plates got a slight buff this last update, and because you'd only use one in the front you'd be faster than using 2 ceramic plates. However, if you want even more speed you can go for one ceramic plate in the front.

I for one wouldn't use kevlar, especially on elephant, as the suspects have rifles

but the most important thing is to find something that works for you. A solid route through the building is much more important than a min-maxxed loadout

[granite palm]

Need a ready or not series like tv series to be produced 😞

[crystal tundra]

real and true, getting familiar with the layout of the college is half the battle

[potent valley]

I do recommend trying to go upstairs first, and use your AI teammates to clear out the labs on the green side

and breaching the lecture hall from the upstairs too, trying to clear that from the ground floor doors is hell

[lethal remnant]

Yeah im okay without a RoN show. I just finished Valley of the Dolls and ts genuinly got me messed up

[potent valley]

active shooter maps are very rng dependent though, sometimes the suspects spawn in way too close to the civvies and they start blasting them before you even have a chance to save them

take Hunger Strike for example (even though that map is almost certainly bugged atm). 8 times out of 10 the suspect in the upstairs office will smoke the upstairs civs the millisecond you touch the stairs, or make too much noise...

anyways, you got this

learn the map and pray for some good rng

[craggy fable]

that just happened to me on Elephant, lol

on an iron man run :/

i arrested 2 guys and they started killing civies. D rank, officers stressed

they good now but that was super annoying

im redoing the no officer death run for iron man cause i didnt get the achievements last time. currently on Rust belt, non lethal only

[potent valley]

I lack the patience and resolve to go through that

good luck

[craggy fable]

ty

[lethal remnant]

i love the pfp

[craggy fable]

ive done it before, so right now its more of just a refresher for my old strats. nonlethal all the way through, lethal on the missions i struggle with. so far i havent had to go lethal so im doing very good so far

[craggy fable]

thank you

[drowsy gyro]

Anyone noticed lower fps after new dlc

[proper pasture]

No

But I’m a console pleb so idk frames

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah im on pc and wonder if it is fault of my pc or the game

[craggy fable]

rust belt complete, S rank :3

now sins of the father

just reached 2 hours on this save

[lethal remnant]

nice

I just started it

[empty tusk]

Hello

[stoic thistle]

Hunger strike doesn't even make sense. You're told that there was a shootout, but you find a pristine restaurant.

[craggy fable]

i hate the ai teammates so much

[unkempt granite]

if you're on pc try out the ai overhaulmod for them, it genuinely feels that they're more competent

also should i use the bean bag or the stun launcher for relapse hard srank

[kindred juniper]

Is the ammo caped on the M32A1?

[unkempt granite]

i can bring up to like 18 shots with light armor

but i have to give all my slots to it

i can get like ~30 shots with bean bag and have space for some stuns

[craggy fable]

Sins of the father complete, now neon tomb 💔💔💔

[kindred juniper]

Stun imo

[craggy fable]

Yeah I’ve heard about that but I’m trying to do steam achievements so I’m playing without mods

Usually when I install mods it’s just cosmetics stuff like gun skins, maps and all that, I usually stay away from mods that change the game entirely

[unkempt granite]

valid tbh

[unkempt granite]

ight i'll try it then

[craggy fable]

Idk if I should run the beanbag shotgun or flash launcher on neon tomb

Am thinking real hard

Flash launcher is easier but less ammo, beanbag has more ammo but I risk hitting the bomb vests and going kaboom

[unkempt granite]

i think non lethal don't trigger

but take that with a grain of salt

if you need stuns use full stun launcher + the m320

[craggy fable]

Yeah it’s kinda risky. Last time the beanbag shotgun triggered the vests and that really upset me

But flash launcher doesn’t have much ammo and relying on the AI teammates on this map isn’t very smart

[craggy fable]

Yeah I might just do that tbh

Maybe bring at least 1-2 gas grenades for crowded rooms

Also bringing 1 pistol mag incase things go bad

[unkempt granite]

afair stuns have more range

[unkempt granite]

are you trying to s rank or 💔

[craggy fable]

Out of all the missions I’ve played, I’ve had to pull out the pistol twice and my officers were fine

[craggy fable]

I’m trying to nonlethal. I’m doing an iron man run without my officers dying

But I’m going mostly nonlethal to keep their sanity

If I can go for the s rank then I will, but if it’s too risky or someone is about to die I pull out the pistol and kill the suspect

[unkempt granite]

i think you can keep their sanity if you leave them on the spawn

as long as they don't shoot anyone down

[craggy fable]

I’ve tried that and even then they still get stressed

[unkempt granite]

if they get stressed just run thank you come again

[craggy fable]

I’ve tried leaving them at spawn and just going lethal (how I normally play) and they got stressed

[craggy fable]

I might do that tbh

Cause last time they resigned after the mission

They were perfect. I left them at spawn, played the mission normally (lethal) with a good rank. 2/4 officers resigned and the other 2 were crisis, ruining my run

[unkempt granite]

go nonlethal on that one trust

and prioritize not shooting

if they aim shoot

like have their gun up after you yelled at them or they make an animation of them nervous shoot

[craggy fable]

True

I might just use the beanbag tbh

My current loadout is beanbag (5), five seven (1), M320 flash launcher, Heavy armor (Full/Steel), 3 Flashbangs and a lock pick gun

For this mission I’m running 4 flashes and no lockpick

Freak it we ball

[gentle python]

Are you on PC or console

[craggy fable]

Pc

[gentle python]

I'd recommend the rotary flash launcher for primary tbh

It got me through my S-rank run pretty easily

[craggy fable]

Oki i change my mind i use that

Now I’m using flash launcher (9) and five seven (2) for when I run out of ammo or things go really bad

And the m320 flash as backup

[gentle python]

I mean, use whatever works. I just personally prefer the rotary flash launcher

[craggy fable]

I’m going in now

[gentle python]

Gl mate!

[craggy fable]

If I die then poop fart I take a break and try again later

Thank you

[gentle python]

Np

[pliant frost]

Is .300 BLK better than 5.56? Why

[gentle python]

5.56 seems to be more effective in game

[sour crest]

i have question, how can i enter to the evidence locker in this new update?

i need this to achievment

[pliant frost]

Yeah I've been using 5.56 for a pretty long time, but I've just checked stats on sheets and it seems that .300 BLK does more damage and penetration... Which is strange cuz irl this caliber is worth using only with suppressor

[gentle python]

.300BLK has it's specialities IRL but there's a reason that it's being semi-phased out of SOF use with most units lol

[craggy fable]

neon tomb complete, A+

[tribal swift]

Is that true? Are they going back to 5.56?

[pliant frost]

Congrats! This map is pure pain

[gentle python]

Depends on the unit, but US SOF is going mostly back to 5.56 yeah

[gentle python]

I did Neon Tomb S-rank 2nd try lol

[sour crest]

anyone knows? i try to do "Whats in the box!?" achievment but in my lobby evidence locker is closet

[fallen quest]

i had 2 absolute godlike runs to S rank a new america and then i choked both of them

[craggy fable]

yeah its very annoying. its not super hard but i still hate it

now im on the car dealership

i also hate this map but its not so bad

but my food just got here so ill take a break

[gentle python]

Buy Cheap, Buy Twice made me quit the game for like 2 months

[sour crest]

today i tried do new america on hard solo, i died in front of flowerman

[tribal swift]

What do they find problematic with .300 blackout? Its a bigger cartridge, and tbh they aren't going around shooting at people really far away anymore.

[kindred spire]

Hi, quick question, does having mods like gunfighter and other mods like AI improvement nulls any and all achievements?

[craggy fable]

real

[fallen quest]

on my first of the 2 amazing runs i had flowerman stunned but i was 1 hp and the very last boy of his burst into the room and popped me in the head before i could react

[pliant frost]

I hope that .300 blk IS better cuz LVAR is my love at first sight

[gentle python]

It's pretty much the range afaik, I can ask a buddy of mine who does supply for CAG and see if he can give me a more definitive answer but prolly not

[gentle python]

The LVAW is pretty sick looking

[tribal swift]

That would be sick if he is allowed to say lol.

[gentle python]

Btw me saying it was being "semi-phased out" is a bit misleading, they're not actually phasing it out it's just used less often because 5.56 has better range

[pliant frost]

And in addition - I was #1 suppressors hater because of the fact that literally every action in ron is louder, but it turned out that suppressors don't stress suspects so much so they can hesitate easier

[tribal swift]

ya thats what I thought.

[fallen quest]

have you S ranked it too? or are you only doing the hard solo achievement?

[wooden lintel]

S on hard is nasty in this map

[fallen quest]

i agree, i am not joking when i say that i have 50+ attempts at least, and with only 5 of them i got to the final room (does that say something about the difficulty of the mission or my personal skill level? i think both but alas.)

[wooden lintel]

AI is just buffed up, if they see a 1mm of your body they'll shoot which is kinda bullshit

[craggy fable]

free lean

[fallen quest]

the things that have porked me the most is the fact that my own AI likes to just stand in the line of fire...

[wooden lintel]

I mean if they ambush or run

played few rounds with friend today on hard and when they heard us they just headshoted us, even tho i was watching the door, he got me when i fired nade launcher

it wasn't even 1 second

but i frickin love mlo tactics, ambush, breach, bang etc

[craggy fable]

i eated my food, now i continue my run

[sour crest]

i only try this hard achievment

[pliant frost]

Did you know that integrally suppressed weapons like LVAR do NOT reduce stress per shot? Lol, it doesn't make any sense

[lyric crescent]

I cant be the only one to think that the 9 bang flashbangs are the most annoyign thing in the entire game!

[opaque valve]

They work amazing in large areas, even though some people say regular bangs have a larger radius, my experience has been different. I’ll throw a 9-bang in, let’s say the bank, and that whole first floor is shut down for me.

[crystal tundra]

they keep exploding midair so they cover a larger radius if you use them right

[opaque valve]

Ahhh, I knew there was something to them.

[lyric crescent]

my issue isnt their ineffectiveness, its how their so concusive from several rooms over and they make it impossible to aim

[opaque valve]

You using the goggles?

[lyric crescent]

yes, but my entire screen still shakes whenever my teammates use them

[opaque valve]

Mine does if I’m extremely close, like damn near where they land. Use them from a distance and you should be okay.

Or maybe it’s that bug where they be flashing themselves lol that’s a whole nother problem in itself and I’d understand 😆

[lyric crescent]

Maybe

[opaque valve]

Sometimes my ai teammates will throw one at the damn door they just opened, I’ll know when my screen does the shaking thing.

[jolly verge]

No idea, like I said I do not playing atm and have to rely only on basic game files

[jolly verge]

Yeah, if only integrally suppressed guns were count as suppressed

But this is pretty much irrelevant for stress imo, there are bunch of other stuff that stress out suspects

[hardy marlin]

so after playing every mission in the base game again, i slept on buy cheap buy twice

[unkempt granite]

all of my swat members survived a bomb 😭

[fast wagon]

Does anyone else find it weird that you can use an EUD/ATAK in the game but none of the plate carriers have an ATAK on them? Like I know it’s a small thing, but I’m one of those details matter kind of guys.

[verbal arrow]

am i tripping or base game ai more fun than modded ai

[twin bramble]

The enemy AI in a new America should be how every enemy AI operates the whole game its actually crazy how much different it is they’re actually smart I wish there was other maps with that it’s actually a challenge

[smoky moss]

why does FISA want me to close the door on the container full of trafficked women at the docks

[rocky raptor]

My theory is they are dirty and they trying to cover it

[smoky moss]

yeah seems really shady

[verbal arrow]

havent reach this mission yet looks nice

[crude prism]

Certified "who fucking knows" moment

[rocky raptor]

They are painfully good, just did the mission on S, never again.

Im also happy cuz the watch you get for the S rank is kinda similar to mine in real life (is not the same model or brand, but its close enough)

[somber wolf]

cause you shouldnt be a snitch

[craggy fable]

I finished my iron man run

3 hours 30 minutes, all nonlethal

[dark meadow]

I saw a ghost on sins of the father

It was an apparition

[alpine ivy]

Finally got to a mission that has traps and... well how the heck do I even know if a door has a trap? been dead three times now with no real pattern that I can see

... four

[sour yoke]

Peek them or use your mirror gun to check before you enter, if they are trapped you either c2 from a distance or peek it and equip your multi tool then disarm it and it’s good

[rocky raptor]

I think i got a different talk with the guy on the phone in all gods burn

[alpine ivy]

I always use the mirror gun, but just dont see anything, what am I even looking for, or where are they or is it random?

[sour yoke]

if you look from the left side of the door they should be on the right

[rocky raptor]

What mission? Sorry if didnt see it up therr

[alpine ivy]

some forest cabin, lethal obsession i think?

[sour yoke]

also i might be wrong but i have used the breach shotgun before from a distance and it opened the door, set off the trap but i was too far to be harmed by it

[rocky raptor]

Use your officers, make them use the mirror gun, they always call out the trap, its a wire, sometimes its hard to see, the best way is looking at the side of the door with the mirror gun, you'll see a grenade

[alpine ivy]

ugh

[sour yoke]

personally i just c2ed every door on that map lol

[alpine ivy]

I just wish there like like an EOD/IED tutorial that kind of introduced you to traps to even know what the heck was going on

[rocky raptor]

That mission sort of does that, the issue is you get blow up a couple times before getting right, i personally enjoy doing that mission with my friends when they are just getting started, they get scared of the sudden explosion

Some of them lean in too much when disabling the trap, opening the door and blowing themselves up, some didn't even check them and boom

[alpine ivy]

for me I always scope doors but yea, never see anything... do they hide them up top ever or something?

[rocky raptor]

Its down, you see the wire but since most of the interior a kinda dark it merges into it, watch both sides of the door and there's going to be a grenade if there's a trap

[alpine ivy]

I'ev yet to actually see a dark interior, but so its always floor level then? good to know

[rocky raptor]

Yup, also its always a singular door when there's traps, when you see a double door, they are safe

Not every trap is lethal also, some of them have flashbangs, so if you run the googles, you can just walk it off

[alpine ivy]

good to know

[dawn solstice]

if you look up in the scope you can see the wire

[alpine ivy]

🤷‍♂️ I looked everywhere I could think of

[dawn solstice]

Also on some missions it will tell you they have traps so just get used to peeking and lookin down on those missions

[hardy marlin]

am i an idiot or do most people color code their ai teammates outfits?

[alpine ivy]

yes, I noticed that right away, why I said be nice to have an EOD tutorial of sorts to even know what a trap looked like... bear trap? grenade on doorknob? massive 155mm ring like from "The Hurt Locker" ... had no context

[dawn solstice]

its weird you cant see it it is pretty easy to spot if you scope it out

[dawn solstice]

yee but hey yah atleast learnt what they look like now and how to deal with it

This game is very good at teaching mechanics through missions so you just get better as you go through.

[alpine ivy]

I have an idea of what they look like yae, but we'll see... for now I just gave up after the NoStress mod failed to work

[lilac solar]

would be cool

[craggy fable]

I do that

Red team wears the red polo shirt, blue team wears the blue swat shirt for completing all levels

It doesn’t actually do anything, it just looks cool asf

Then I wear all black as the leader

[hardy marlin]

nah i use different colors for all my guys. alphas green, bravos red, charlies blue, deltas tan

[craggy fable]

That sounds fire 🔥

[hardy marlin]

and i dont got the red polo, so i wear the polo

also tried to use different cosmetics for each of them, minimal repeats

[hardy marlin]

ill take a screenshot in game

[hardy marlin]

dude im so used to just leaving all my guys at spawn that clearing levels with them feels so easy

[rocky raptor]

I had two in modern equipment, one with 90s swat fit and other with the 90s SEAL jumpsuit, but recently i put everyone in the same green uniform with variations in each one

[rocky plover]

I see 🤣

[rocky plover]

Ah ok

[hardy marlin]

Am i crazy people have said the new battle rifle can take guys out in one shot but every time for me it takes two shots

[eager raptor]

Maybe the stomach your hitting?

It can take more from the stomach I would beikebe

[hardy marlin]

Heart shot same thing

[eager raptor]

Idk, maybe a hit box issue

What rifle?

[rocky raptor]

Maybe its the AP round, try with the hollow point

I usually shot two times always so no idea

[somber wolf]

aim lower

like right below the waistline

[hardy marlin]

Orrr i could keep using my arn which does the same thing is shorter and has less recoil

[rocky raptor]

Put the creedmor on the IA guys, they're deadly with it

It helped me a lot in the DLC

[eager raptor]

I used the UMP45 and it's recoilless... I later realized how bad it really is

[rocky raptor]

One of them even took two guys by himself

[hardy marlin]

Whats the best pistol for the ai to use as a primary cause reds got a balistic shield and i want the best for him

[rocky raptor]

The S2011 is a very solid choice in my experience

The capacity alone makes it great for them

[atomic tangle]

im stuck on twisted nerve and im too lazy to figure out the huge mission

[somber wolf]

[rocky raptor]

Where did you get stuck? Which of the two houses

[atomic tangle]

im stuck on the third.... wdym two??

[somber wolf]

he might be stuck on the crack cave system

[atomic tangle]

oh wait ya its the cave part

i keep getting lost 🙁

[somber wolf]

Lost?

Just hug the left or right wall

[atomic tangle]

rlly?

[somber wolf]

Mhm

[atomic tangle]

soo i raid the homes, do the caves, then what

[somber wolf]

Same idea for solving a maze. Possibly long, but guaranteed

[eager raptor]

Also why is it when I die in a single player game the game ends? It used to just let the A.I go run about and do the rest of the mission

[somber wolf]

The first home, the cavern & destroyed house, then the third house (which has a connection to the first)

[eager raptor]

I get so lost in missions I can't find anyone sometimes

[somber wolf]

But make sure you clear the backyards before clearing the third, for safety sake

[atomic tangle]

but idk if i have to go somewhere to finish the mission, or does it just do it automaticly im new

[somber wolf]

There’s a soft completion and hard completion

[eager raptor]

You have to kill every suspect or contain every person there

[eager raptor]

Yurp

[atomic tangle]

.

ok then..

[somber wolf]

Soft completion means you’ve completed the primary mission objs. Such as bring order to chaos, secure X Y or Z

[atomic tangle]

oh

[somber wolf]

Hard completion activates and ends the mission automatically when you collect all evidence (among other things) not important to the primary objectives, in addition to having completed the primaries

[eager raptor]

If u want I can join you for a few missions? They won't count for commander mode and I'm also kinda new so we can learn together

[somber wolf]

The evidence in question being things like guns the suspects drop, or maybe a case of weapons depending on the level

[atomic tangle]

idk how to use multiplayer and i dont think i would be allowed to, anyways tysm for the help.

[eager raptor]

Why wouldn't you be allowed too?

[graceful comet]

How do I pick up a gun that they dropped when it’s stuck in a ground

Not completely

I’m on S run and I feel like this one gun gonna sell it

[eager raptor]

Ohhh... I think that's a lost cause... I had a civ NPC get stuck and I had to shot them to do everything

I think I had to redo the run

[graceful comet]

I got it somehow lol just kept staring at it

[eager raptor]

Ah

[graceful comet]

Looking for solution, but if I had an npc stuck I’m would be mad

[eager raptor]

When that happened I was wondering why my teammate was yelling at something then I saw it

[graceful comet]

lol

Got the S

[eager raptor]

Good job

[graceful comet]

Thank you

What S rank should I get next, today got carrier of the vines and the first mission

Spent 5 hours to get an S on the hide and seek, got A+

[eager raptor]

You spent 5 hours in one mission?

[tough veldt]

Sounds about right

Port hokan is hard

The area in front of the warehouse is a death trap

[unkempt granite]

i was missing 3 dudes from s rank on relapse

then got 1 shotted

[atomic tangle]

yeah im quitting ron every time i try and do a mission i just get stabbed by an npc just spawning in as i start moving

this game is also WAY to buggy

[left nexus]

whats the best loadout for programmed psychosis?

[graceful comet]

I just realized I have to arrest everyone at hide and seek

That’s why I got A+

But that’s sad

I died when there was only 1 guy left and he was sitting around the corner and 1 shotted me

[signal magnet]

Guys whats more practical to a stealth build flashbangs or CS gas?

[novel halo]

Define stealth build 😭

[signal magnet]

uhh..... Basicly less visibility or At least lesser enemy attraction ;0;

[novel halo]

Nothing like that with the new AI

[signal magnet]

fuck

[novel halo]

If you want your detection range lowered then just run suppressors with uh

Flashbangs

[signal magnet]

Ik but what works better with supressors

[novel halo]

In stealth you gotta stay lightweight and be able to see stuff

[signal magnet]

CS or flashbangs?

[novel halo]

Nothing, all guns are loud

[novel halo]

Was getting to a point of using flashbangs

[signal magnet]

.

[signal magnet]

eh sure ig???

[novel halo]

I mean suppressors do not make your gun quieter like in the movies y'know

[signal magnet]

tbh I dont see the point of using flashbangs unless your going loud

[signal magnet]

ye ik what they do

[novel halo]

Actually yeah, you're right

CS gas is the best option in this case

Totally forgot

[signal magnet]

aight ty king

tbh I already bought 2/3 DLCS for this game for the cosmetics

[novel halo]

Cool, missing boiling point?

[signal magnet]

ye

but I could buy it

so should I nor nah?

[novel halo]

I see

[novel halo]

I have it and let me just tell you

The missions are a little ehhh

Except for a new america

The bank's too small, the pier is a huge map with active shooters and gas

[signal magnet]

OOf

[novel halo]

I bought it a day after it's release, but I personally liked it

[hollow hill]

I kinda wish they expanded the bank in some way I guess

[craggy fable]

the carnival map is pretty dookie tbh, the bank isnt too bad, A New America is the highlight. the cosmetics arent too bad.

i personally really like it, especially for A New America

that map is really hard but also very fun to play

[sonic sleet]

Anyone having issues w connection

[craggy fable]

are you stuck on authorizing epic games services or something like that

[sonic sleet]

Yup

Crashed my multiplayer game w me and my boys and then won’t reauthenticate

[craggy fable]

the only fix i know is to unlink your ready or not account on the epic games website in account settings, relaunch RoN and link your account again

or just restart your game and wait a bit, id say at least 5 minutes

restarting the game usually fixes it

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I already straight unlinked that shit bc it was being stupid whenever I had it connected lol.

[craggy fable]

yeah its kinda annoying. idk exactly how it works with the epic game services but it gets stuck like that quite often

also lobbies are sometimes kinda laggy and have high ping even if youre playing in the right region

[sonic sleet]

Yeah no I think servers are down cause it’s crashing all of us non stop

[craggy fable]

what da freak

are you and your friends all on console?

[nimble crater]

Servers not letting me in either

[craggy fable]

ok then yeah i think the servers are having issues

people in #💬general-discussion are also talking about it

[nimble crater]

servers broken 🙁

[keen cypress]

The epic servers are all having issues

Like everything on an epic server is currently having issues lmao

[nimble crater]

pls I just want to bring justice

[keen cypress]

Lmfao

Yeah Fortnite, apex, Elden ring all servers are down

[craggy fable]

💔

[nimble crater]

I do not want to play anymore Iron Man mode

a single knife ended my run

[craggy fable]

felt

[glass saffron]

Relatable

[craggy fable]

idk how but i died on the first mission on one of my iron man runs

like damn bruh

[glass saffron]

It wasn’t any better for me since I was going for dev watch at the time and I had like 3 guys with knives jump me and my team

[glass saffron]

The gas station?

[craggy fable]

what map?

[glass saffron]

That one crack house I believe (one with the tunnels)

[craggy fable]

yeah 💔 . idk how i died on that map, like bruh

[craggy fable]

oh yeah that mission is kinda annoying

its not too bad tho

[nimble crater]

Yes

[glass saffron]

I’ve never had them pull knives on me on that mission.. never knew they could

[craggy fable]

yeah its usually the ladies in pajamas that have the knives

[glass saffron]

It’s closed in for flashbangs so it was bearable for me

[craggy fable]

civs can punch you too but its kinda rare

[nimble crater]

they act like civs but they'll switch on you so quick

[craggy fable]

yup

neon tomb was the most annoying level for me on my iron man run

i got really lucky on the rng when i finished the run but even then it was still annoying

[glass saffron]

I hate all the flashing lights on that map but I hate the guys who have those vests 20x more

[craggy fable]

yup, and the civs too

[glass saffron]

Yeah

[novel halo]

@scarlet vortex #🎬ron-clips-and-media message he tried to shoot him so he shot back 😭

[scarlet vortex]

Dude I get so mad at BS like that

[craggy fable]

chat is saying that epic game services are back up

for multiplayer coop

[surreal pelican]

Did the Devs fix My Eyes, It Burns ach yet?

[warm gate]

Hey people

[craggy fable]

hello

[warm gate]

Hows the swat officering

[craggy fable]

sleepy

[unkempt granite]

i hate relapse so much

[molten wasp]

Same after completing It on hard mode

[unkempt granite]

how did you do it i'm struggling with s rank 💔

[molten wasp]

It's been awhile since I've done It

But It was commander mode

[craggy fable]

Me but with neon tomb

Words cannon describe how much I hate that map

[round compass]

is this a bug? after completing all base game missions theres a riot outside i havent done any of the dlcs yet

[rich whale]

Lobby changes each DLC unlocks through single player

[warm gate]

Thats for boiling point the other ones change the station

But with where boiling point is set in modern times in the fck cops cause of this you know thats where we are in ls now

In lore by 2030 ls will fall

[smoky moss]

finally finished my first playthrough of the base 18 missions

are the dlc just one mission each? that’s how it seems from the briefing table

[warm gate]

Are you on commander mod

Mode

[smoky moss]

yes

[unkempt granite]

i did it ughhhhhhh

[craggy fable]

W

[olive tendon]

General question regarding matchmaking, which regions have the most players? I'm perfectly fine with randos joining my game and i dont care how people play but I struggle to host a public game with a constant flow of people coming in? Any tips?

[unkempt granite]

hide and seek is left but I think it'll be like when I was done with Neon Tomb

that it'll be much easier

bc it's not active shooters

[unkempt granite]

i'd say to just wait for people to join, remember that even solos or duos can complete maps

[olive tendon]

Cool ok, thanks :/

[unkempt granite]

there's also an lfg channel on this server so you can host and have a vc for easier communication

but in regions I'd say don't specify on some and just play locally for everyone to have better ping overall

[urban mural]

They need improve the AI teammates. They don't have self preservation and stand in a line of fire when engaging suspects.

[bitter mason]

Three missions in each paid dlc
LSS has two

[rocky raptor]

Each dlc is 3 missions

[urban mural]

You unlock the next mission as you complete the actual one. DLC missions have the same progress mechanic as the main story.

[olive tendon]

Can I host a game without selecting a specific region? (Probably a stupid question, I dont have access to the game right now so I cant check but I always thought Im forced to select a region before hosting...)

[unkempt granite]

i don't really know, but i think you can

[dawn solstice]

Ik if people join off your steam can be any region

[unkempt granite]

that too

[dawn solstice]

Its just they may get a bit of ping problems but its manageable

I play with like 300ping and im fine

[olive tendon]

lol

[dawn solstice]

I play with 300ping and im still hittin my shots and schmovin

Im so used to high ping i just ignore it

[rocky raptor]

One of my friends played so laggy even i saw him moving at 15 fps, we managed to play the whole game and dlc, the people who can withstand the lag are something else

He also lived in a farm so thats why lol

[dawn solstice]

I dont really lag cus ethernet connection but i do have high ping cus regions

I usually play with people in the USA or Australia so

[rocky raptor]

I usually have 187-287 and the game goes just fine