👮ron-discussion

[bitter mason]

okay?

[tacit gull]

The least he could do is try to keep it consistent

Or i guess just do your own thing bro whatever

make the game feel like an amalgam

[chilly thorn]

He probably did, but it’s hard to change animation styles

And I heard there’s a reason why they lost the old guy

[tacit gull]

wait they lost reticulon?

[chilly thorn]

Yeah I heard someone say he went insane

[tacit gull]

ohhhhhhhh

[bitter mason]

huh

[tacit gull]

no wonder the animations are so tasteless

but i dunno anything about that, are you sure?

or is it just trust me bro

[chilly thorn]

That’s what I heard

[bitter mason]

its a trust me bro

[chilly thorn]

I suppose

[left nexus]

swat ai with the no mercy mod is frying me

[somber wolf]

why is my guy showing me his biceps whenever i put a new shirt on him

[chilly thorn]

I like the new animations even though their is the criticism that they aren’t similar to the old, but its arguably not even a valid critique

[left nexus]

they just go in and shoot the whole place up

[bitter mason]

He is trying to hit on you dw about it

[fringe fjord]

dont blush

[bitter mason]

it gets a bit lonely being trapped inside ready or not

[chilly thorn]

Judge should flex his ass instead

[chilly thorn]

He’s gifted

[somber wolf]

Hillerman likes twinks… noted… but where does toc come into play?

[chilly thorn]

TOC is a twink

[chilly thorn]

Just fucking listen to him lol

[bitter mason]

TOC has cat ear headphones

[round compass]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205

NNO GIFS AAAAAA

[deep patio]

what is bro on about

[mortal geode]

epic embed fail

[bitter mason]

femboy toc mod

[chilly thorn]

No straight dude says put them on safe and let em hang

[deep patio]

yknow what, good point

TOC wears thigh highs

[round compass]

This feels like a fever dream bro

[chilly thorn]

Where’s the arc where TOC takes estrogen and becomes a girl

[bitter mason]

until void say otherwise its canon

[deep patio]

DLC 17: TOC gets an estrogen prescription

[bitter mason]

TOC getting it from swan

[left nexus]

ron discussion cannot be this dry

[chilly dock]

Whats the best guns in the game ? (primary and secondary)

[bitter mason]

idk man just whatever and have fun

[left nexus]

either g36c or ga51 for primary, secondary either mk-v or full auto glock

[chilly thorn]

Guys I think I’m piecing the lore together USIA —-> MLO

[bitter mason]

battle rifles pack the most punch generally

[left nexus]

i like the ga51 more though since 7.62

[iron willow]

beanbag is the only thing you will ever need, or flash launcher if you are doing A New America

[deep patio]

Secondary is Five-Seven
Primary is whatever the hell you want

[chilly thorn]

Battle rifles are too clunky if your a new player I recommend the Mk18

It’s easy and simple

[left nexus]

g36c is the best all rounder weapon in the game ngl

and the f90

[open meteor]

i was playing ides of march with all my ai teamates and i just see some random other ai carrying all the suspects to the starting point of the mission who was NOT apart of my team

[deep patio]

try shotguns, they're hella fun

[iron willow]

that's when you bring order to chaos

[open meteor]

ohh

[left nexus]

thats the cleanup crew

[somber wolf]

Anything with .300BLK (Good for CQC)
Any of the battle rifles (For heavy duty application)
The JHP and AP of each respective caliber have the same armor penetration
Shotguns are good if you can hit limbs with buckshot, or center-mass with slugs

[open meteor]

i never saw it before that’s why

[chilly thorn]

Any gun in the game is good

[deep patio]

You know the trailers, toc talks about ? that's them

[sudden gorge]

Just found out one of the suspects in the mission Relapse is canonically a vigilante trying to kill the terrorists, can anyone confirm?

[somber wolf]

PDW Raider is calling

[chilly thorn]

In MY OPINION the smgs are the best guns in the game

[deep patio]

except that TRPL Pistol pepperball gun thing

[bitter mason]

yeah really all guns (most guns) are good so just use whatever looks cool

[open meteor]

i get it now

[left nexus]

glazing the g36c is the reason this heart still beats 🔥

[bitter mason]

trying to min max your loadout in RON is laaame

[somber wolf]

have you tried fighting something that isn’t a homeless person? /j

[chilly dock]

Whats the best battle rifle in the game?

[iron willow]

I just like MK18 and SLR47

[left nexus]

ga51

[somber wolf]

Scar. Everyone else is lying

[deep patio]

i unironically read the spreadsheet

[crude prism]

Truuuuue

Void needs to give uber-low capacity items 2x mags per point.

Like the TLE/M45A1/TRPL

[left nexus]

ga51 lets you use the sro dot which is the best sight

[somber wolf]

There’s a reason the Scar is the tacticoolest gun ever made

[left nexus]

and recoil is really good

[chilly thorn]

“B-but the stats say that anything except the HK51 IS UNMETA…. And erm look at this 1 damage multiplier for the 6.5 kriegmore!!”

[bitter mason]

definitely, or completely redo the loadout system to something similar to insurgency

[somber wolf]

Damage is worthless. Armor penetration is all

[grand skiff]

what is that new effect when you get shot that looks like a concussion, it lasts forever

[left nexus]

only like half the maps have armor

[bitter mason]

"T-this gun two hits max armour suspects and t-t-this one one hits them so why would I ever use the one that t-two hits"

[chilly thorn]

Even less then half

[left nexus]

i normally just check the spreadsheet to see which maps have armor

[somber wolf]

If you’re on casual. Standard I encounter at least level 3+

[crude prism]

If you take nonlethal head damage you get a rancid blur effect that lasts like 900 years, been around forever

(Damage, not helmet hits)

[deep patio]

abandon guns, and gas the whole map

[chilly thorn]

“SMGs are bad because they can’t blow the suspects body apart in a single shot to the foot”

[left nexus]

i only ever play hard so idk

[grand skiff]

ah ok

[somber wolf]

Smgs are only cool if you do classic swat

[iron willow]

funny story, I like to play Insurgency Sandstorm, I've been semi autoing cuz of RoN and dying in PVP constantly until I tried to full auto like everyone else

[chilly thorn]

Add a massive tube that takes up all your slots that you can just place in the window and tear gas the whole map

[iron willow]

Turns out my CS skills are still in effect, I am REALLY good at recoil control

[bitter mason]

"Yes I take the classic MP5 with nothing but the intergrated flashlight, how could you tell? "

[left nexus]

i was so excited for the cs gas update just for it to still be mid

[chilly thorn]

I use the Ump45 personally and the Mp5sd with the ziptied flashlight

[crude prism]

When we adding back the weight system

[open meteor]

will i lose points if i taze civilians who are not listening

[left nexus]

just bash them

[chilly thorn]

Depends

[bitter mason]

I mean, I hate to say it... but I'd prefer it to the slot system we have now.....

[somber wolf]

Thats just reasonable

[left nexus]

never yell at civilians just bash them

[chilly thorn]

Bro would rather die then admit ready or not made a good change compared to swat

[deep patio]

if they're not listening, well

rock their shit

[iron willow]

Ah zip tied flashlight, just like my airsoft rifles

[left nexus]

they never listen AND it increases stress

[somber wolf]

Slot system means a lead-baby like me carries 3 flashes and 6 mags without an issue :>

[chilly thorn]

It’s a real tactic because the Mp5sd has no rails

[bitter mason]

I genuinely dislike RONs slot system its too limiting :v

[open meteor]

beacuse last time in valley of dolls the ai pissed me off so much i just shot them all

[iron willow]

for me it's becuase my AK has no rails on the handguard, and for my MK18? I don't have the money rn lol

[left nexus]

if we had more slots we could just bring like 100 cs gas and gas the whole map

[chilly thorn]

If you consider swat ai it’s really not + you only need like 2 mags per mission

[deep patio]

is that not what we're supposed to do in the first place

[bitter mason]

SWAT AI suck at breaching and there is no request command for them to hand you one of their grenades so its unreliable at best

[somber wolf]

There is no wrong way to play a game when you’re solo, or with like-minded people lol

[chilly thorn]

On the new maps they are bad but the placement for their grenades on the old maps are still fixed

[deep patio]

i know people that just murder everyone including civvies

[crude prism]

Can we steal the one good mechanic from Ground Branch?

(Gear customization)

[left nexus]

i wish we could make swat ai breach rooms slower

[stoic thistle]

Ready or Not might not be their cup of tea.

[sudden gorge]

Just found out one of the suspects in the mission Relapse is canonically a vigilante trying to kill the terrorists, can anyone confirm?

[bitter mason]

A weight system is the more extreme change that I wouldnt mind
a simple rework to the slot economy I think is whats needed. SMG mags should not be worth the same as AR mags, same for a single grenade or pepperspray

[left nexus]

they just haul ass in and get shot at from every angl;e

[iron willow]

I wish I could take the AI's ammo

[chilly thorn]

I don’t want this game to go too far with the gun customization this game isn’t about the guns

[deep patio]

when can i mix and match my armor plates

[somber wolf]

I joined a pub and the dude did that, and it endedup being one of the funnest nights I’ve had this year

[chilly thorn]

I think it should be 15 for light 13 for heavy and 20 for anti stab vest

[iron willow]

@deep patio ay nice pfp mate

[left nexus]

swat ai disciples

[bitter mason]

As fun as GBs customisation is I dont think its needed for RON :p

[somber wolf]

Also went from just us, to getting a full lobby of people who just raided a bunch of different maps

[chilly thorn]

Yeah Ron isn’t really a shooty mc shoot shoot game the guns aren’t too important

I’d rather have more guns then another sight that functionally is the same as the eotech

They aren’t the point of the game

[left nexus]

they should add bare firsts so i can punch suspects to death

[deep patio]

the only thing that really matters is caliber and length imo

[iron willow]

I can. Just be a beanbagger.

[somber wolf]

I promise, you will feel the pain of trying to kill a cartel ganger using a mp5 compared to any rifles

[left nexus]

sounds like a slur

[chilly thorn]

I’m a pepper baller and a gas launcher-er

[iron willow]

Beanbag

[somber wolf]

Yes, you do need to kill people sometimes. Is it an issue? No, unless you’re trying to S rank, but then you don’t really have a say in what guns are excellent

[chilly thorn]

Handcuffs

[bitter mason]

I'd be fine with that
My preferences range from
Soft change- make some things like SMG mags give you more for the cost of 1 slot. So putting 1 into an SMG mag gives you two mags, stuff like that

Harder change- still involving slots kinda but made more like insurgency, everything costs points including the guns themselves, armour helmets magazines and so on and are each worth different values. Lets you get more wacky with loadouts so you can simply not take a primary and spend all the points on tons of grenades

SEF change - weight system

[left nexus]

no mercy for terrorists removes that issue

[iron willow]

Less than lethal guns

[chilly thorn]

I disagree heavy with the smg change

[bitter mason]

why

[somber wolf]

Shotguns are non-lethal… if the sussy is wearing armor and you only hit the chest

[iron willow]

Less than lethal gun

[stoic thistle]

Yeah, that's one of the problems with shot guns in this game.

[somber wolf]

only the chest lol, and even then why don’t they even go dowwnnn

[chilly thorn]

Think about a gun like the P90 that takes a max of 3 shots to take someone down, 2 slots would give you 4 mags that’s 200 hundred bullets for barely any investment

[muted star]

Like the ideas, would make loadouts bit more meaningful

[somber wolf]

Shotgun should internally rupture some sussy from across the room with how I put half a dozen buckshot rounds in em smh

[chilly thorn]

Why are you so offended by the concept of RoN not being a traditional shooter, stop killing people thats mean.

[bitter mason]

thats why the insurgency like change would be better, p90 would be more expensive to equip and its mags too

[left nexus]

they should add lootboxes where you have a 0.000000001% chance of getting the naked molerat skin and make the suspects even more accurate and unfair on hard mode

[chilly thorn]

I will say the extra mags would be a good idea for Pepperballs

[deep patio]

technically you can complete the game with a taser if you wanted to

[iron willow]

I would gladly spend 15 hours starving the ANA suspects than actually playing ANA

[somber wolf]

If i could mix chlorine and bleach in a bathtub and bottle, then my officer should be able to, AND use it on mission smh

[left nexus]

couldnt you also do it with just your voice if you have negotiatiors

[bitter mason]

the game isnt really meant to be a shooting gallery tho
never was the devs just seem to be having a crisis in how they want this game to play

[iron willow]

I was serious.

[chilly thorn]

I like the idea of having to buy guns maybe only for commander mode. Add a budget system to commander depending on how well you do. You know how you have those options for cops you can hire make some of them cost more but they have more expierence or bonuses.

I actually REALLY like the idea of buying guns

[iron willow]

That's why it's a pipe dream. I wish I could just afk for 14 hours

[left nexus]

and weapon skins from expensive lootcrates

[somber wolf]

can toc add a cigarette feature?

[iron willow]

The children yearn for Counter Strike

[bitter mason]

would be interesting, it would atleast add something to commander mode
I just mean though you get like idk 25 points to make a loadout and everything in it costs something. So you can either make a more balanced loadout with plenty of ammo and grenades, or go all out on one or the other
or have to budget other items because you've taken a much more powerful weapon

[stoic thistle]

Alerting suspects by coughing.

[left nexus]

they should add a strangle feature where you strangle those suspects that you arrested that shit talk you

[iron willow]

They should add a feature when you break RoE your local law enforcement just aprehends yoh

[fringe fjord]

button to slap their heads

[somber wolf]

They should make the suspect head slap a greater feature

[left nexus]

they should add a feature where we curb stomp non compliant civilians

[chilly thorn]

Mk18 can be the free Rifle, Mp5 can be the free smg, Glock 19 can be the free pistol, and the beanbag can be the free shotgun

[bitter mason]

sounds good to me, I was hoping commander would have gear unlocks as you progress, or I guess, be actually fun

[stoic thistle]

They should make the protesters more rude.

[iron willow]

I am gonna swag

[chilly thorn]

Certain guns would be more expensive to fit their style (For example M14 is the “cheap Dmr” while 6.5 kriegmore is the expensive one.

[bitter mason]

They need more of them to not be armed, idk why they add all the gunbags and caches but arm all the suspects anyways

[chilly thorn]

A gun like the Mp7 while not objectively being better would still be a late game weapon

[bitter mason]

I do like the idea

[glass heart]

its creedmoor not kriegmore fyi

[chilly thorn]

Kriegmore is cooler I’m colonizing the name

[glass heart]

yeah cuz hk is expensive as fuck

[bitter mason]

Feels like thats asking for way more variety in missions though. I dont feel as though the missions we have in RON really fit commander mode much. Or I suppose commander mode just doesnt feel like it has a place in ron

[left nexus]

they should make ai teammates be vanilla in multiplayer, like filling in the missing slots with ai

[glass heart]

does it krieg more or rather does it let you conduct krieg more

[stoic thistle]

The front of the bank is already quite chaotic.

[glass heart]

i say it does because its a dope ass caliber

[glass heart]

the first time me and my buddies played PID went out the window when we took contact and everyone in the lobby got shot

[chilly thorn]

Commander mode needs a complete overhaul and LSS missions should be placed in the base campaign with several other new missions placed in the base campaign to make it longer

[glass heart]

second time around we did actual PID bc we brought LPVOs but the first one was a massacre

[left nexus]

commander mode should have the missions in chronological order

[bitter mason]

yeah, the sort of PD management would be far more fitting if they actually did that crime net call up thing for missions

[warm gate]

Honestly splitscreen would make ron feel like r6 vegas i feel like not to mention an even number of teammates or if 2nd player replaced one of the ai teammates to keep it at 5

[bitter mason]

A few filler basic missions squeezed between the main story ones I guess

[chilly thorn]

I still think it should campaign perhaps the crime net call up could be another game mode

Because that’s not a bad idea

[stoic thistle]

I like the detail of a cop detaining a journalist, it shows the direction America is going in the game.

[bitter mason]

Not a bad idea but would require basically an entire other games worth of maps to make sense

[left nexus]

i cant wait till 2028 for the dlc5

[bitter mason]

idk why they ever considered some of the things they did for commander mode, the way missions are so out of order in terms of canon dates and the like

[glass heart]

the police are already the state sanctioned violence task force even in a functional democracy

[warm gate]

Honestly a remake of the swat 4 campaign in RoN would be cool

[glass heart]

its just that it becomes more open when it gets more authoritarian

[stoic thistle]

Both Gerard and the MLO mention a "Godhead". They must be talking about the USIA.

[warm gate]

Either the usia or the lspd

[bitter mason]

at that point I'd rather just play SWAT 4

[chilly thorn]

If the campaign is longer maybe you could unlock upgrades for the police station, like more therapy slots, more officer roster.

[chilly thorn]

With that said budget

[warm gate]

Honestly for it being as old as it is probably one of the most detailed one of few games of the sort

[dim swallow]

Unironically a game called Status One did the "Commander mode" much better than Ready or Not

[bitter mason]

I am the number 1 swat 4 glazer of this server
I think that game does many things better than ready or not

[chilly thorn]

I think swat 4 and Ron are on equal footing with each other. Swat 4 has glaring issues

[bitter mason]

oh definitely

RON certainly trumps SWAT 4 in terms of gunplay and some QOL

[chilly thorn]

No game is perfect unless your dishonored

[warm gate]

Swat 4 was most of my childhood and the sniper cam was definitely one of my favorite parts

[bitter mason]

I find SWAT 4 does its police shooter gimmick way better
RON feels confused most of the time

[chilly thorn]

IMO also music I’ll die on that hill.

[bitter mason]

I can agree with that

[dim swallow]

In that game you manage a SWAT-like element and you get called to procedurally generated handcrafted levels (as in the levels are handcrafted but the mission objectives and situations can be different)

[bitter mason]

My only complaint about RONs music is it feels like its not used enough for some missions

[stoic thistle]

Which game do you think has better themes?

[bitter mason]

How do you mean themes
like story wise

[chilly thorn]

Ready or nots music is a lot more dynamic then swat 4s which is nice as well since remember the combat loop playing with EVERY breach lol

[bitter mason]

I kinda liked that with SWAT 4, if something loud happened the music kicked in and it added to the intensity
RONs music sometimes feels like it kicks in way too slow

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 main menu theme is nice but I would consider the second Ron theme called “Special weapons and tactics” and honest to god masterpiece

[dim swallow]

I liked how the music behaved pre 1.0

[bitter mason]

RON has a much more memorable theme 100%

[chilly thorn]

That’s lame

[dim swallow]

Combat music only kicks in when you're in a straight up large scale firefight which rarely happens nowadays

[warm gate]

I mute music so i can hear screaming unless im playing my own but my favorite ost in ron is neon tomb

[bitter mason]

yeah thats my problem with it since I like to avoid the combat as much as I can

[dim swallow]

Buy Cheap Buy Twice's combat music will always be my favorite

[chilly thorn]

Combat music plays when multiple suspects are interacting with you at once, so it can happen without a gunfight going on just as long as theirs shit happening with a lot of noise.

[mortal geode]

guys, what does the fox say?

[dim swallow]

You don't know how scary it feels when you get the buildup in Stolen Valor

[bitter mason]

They certainly could have done more with the music to make it even more dynamic
having bits of the music that change depending on the breach type a bit louder higher tempo for bangs and stingers and sort of slight intensity but still calm for CS
And things just going a bit more crazy when a firefight starts

[dim swallow]

Especially when it first came out

[chilly thorn]

Stolen valor is a fucking banger

[rocky plover]

Same, mines on 10% while the rest is all 100%

[iron willow]

Is it on YT? I am curious

[chilly thorn]

Yeah

[stoic thistle]

Yeah storywise.

[warm gate]

Honestly best way they did music imo was command and conquer red alert 3 when you had a big army and was moving toward fights and the music built up into the combat music and my favorite song on there was battleground of the bear that played when you was the soviets

[bitter mason]

Greased palms probably has my favourite track
very MAX PAYNE 3

[iron willow]

Tears by Health

[chilly thorn]

I’d honestly say ready or not is better in a wider range since it’s trying to say something while swat 4 was better at contained stories

Swat 4 was a triple A game made by professionals and it shows a lot

[bitter mason]

Story themes
SWAT 4 doesnt have too many its just disconnected crimes.
Ready or not I feel isnt well written enough to have any big theme other than "everything is shit"

[iron willow]

Very melancholic, I like

[warm gate]

Honestly even with music turned up i cant hear it unless im completely afk away from gunfights and stuff

[chilly thorn]

Ready or nots story is about authority and societal collapse just viewing it as “everything is bad” cheapens how much more and world building these devs did

[stoic thistle]

There's somewhat of a gap between the themes of LSS and Boiling Point.

[chilly thorn]

LSS takes place in 2024 and BP takes place in 2028-9

[warm gate]

Zack bower did great with it i just wish there was a way to amplify it a little so i can hear it alongside everything else

[chilly thorn]

On PC the music is mixed very well

I can’t speak for console speakers or audio

[warm gate]

I mean other than pulling up Spotify for the ost i cant hear it in game

[bitter mason]

I mean one big criticism I have with RONs story is how overboard I think they go and how little restraint the writers often show. It feels like everything has to be the worst thing in the world and starts to cheapen each missions impact

[chilly thorn]

Turn your headphones up

[stoic thistle]

There are like, 5 mass shootings in total. Maybe 6.

[wooden saddle]

Hmm.

First reflection on my end is that there is a gap between Boiling Point and the rest of RoN.

In the rest of RoN, LS is a decaying city of crime. In Boiling Point, people got up and grabbed pitchforks and torches, plus terrorists are like taking whole buildings down.

[scarlet tinsel]

@open ermine yo bro

What is a point man then?

[chilly thorn]

That is true but they have shown clear improvement in the dlc cycle. Adam update maps that were touched up (for example valley of the dolls) show a clear worse writing style then stuff from the dlc cycle for example or 1.0 maps like hide and seek. I like seeing the improvement it makes me happy for them.

[bitter mason]

I want to see improvements its why I complain so much haha

[warm gate]

Neon tomb relapse elephant the pier and the oil rig i could be wrong abt the oil rig though

[muted star]

RoN feels like it's in a perpetual early access tbh

[stoic thistle]

I think smaller scenarios would be cool. Like an illegal arms warehouse, an illegal gambling den, stuff like that.

[chilly thorn]

Especially with Boiling point you can see the writing improvement in actually getting their message across, they also do better with contained stuff now too, stuff like Narcos had an absolutely amazing plot.

[warm gate]

Have a seperate mode that brings back scenarios instead of every mission being the same

[bitter mason]

but on the topic of themes
I did actually think about the tone difference between SWAT 3 and SWAT 4
SWAT 3 is such a somewhat campy but still dark 99 vision of 2005 with the swat team ensuring a peace treaty signing by stopping terrorists plots and ends with a nuclear disarmament and feels so much more hopeful and pre 9/11 lmao
SWAT 4 is just grim and a lot more grounded compared to swat 4

[iron willow]

wait SWAT3 is on Steam but not SWAT4???

[chilly thorn]

Calling swat 4s and Ron’s writing as “Post 9/11” is kinda perfect actually

[bitter mason]

Writing is definitely better in places, to me it just feels off because if you werent super into all the conspiracy subplot they hid all over the place all the MLO stuff feels out of nowhere
RON has sauce for sure but They dont really present it well enough imo

[chilly thorn]

That era showed a major shift in how people view the American dream and America as a whole due to the unjustifiable war on terror

[bitter mason]

Yeah not sure why, probably because of different devs or something
but swat 4 was never on steam, before it came to GOG it was abandonware

[warm gate]

Honestly i feel as if ready or not had a seperate story where you are patrol officers responding before swat comes in for cleanup that would be kinda cool

[chilly thorn]

They are vague but with this games style it would be incredibly difficult to tell its story naturally other then environmental storytelling. Like the last thing I want is them forcing the MLO down your throat like Voll.

[warm gate]

While giving you strictly patrol officer weapons and not a giant arsenal

[bitter mason]

yea
And the very hopeful plot of SWAT 3 having going up against domestic and European terrorists and getting world peace at the end just sells it. Very 90s in its plot to the point its charming

SWAT 4 doesnt have that same level of campiness and is much darker overall

[chilly thorn]

Swat 3 was the high Swat 4 was the descent and Ready or not is the floor

[stoic thistle]

Given how little is explained about the MLO, that's less of a risk.

[chilly thorn]

The MLO are explained as far back as Gerard but it requires much more attention then your average player I will admit

[wooden saddle]

#💬general-discussion ?

[bitter mason]

Im cool with MLO being mysterious I just dont really feel the same buildup to them as others might have
All the vanilla maps could do with some better voice lines from Judge, TOC and the element commenting on things around them while obviously not being too on the nose
A debrief for missions could be nice too to contextualise outcomes
But something I REALLY want is interview tapes of VIP suspects if you take them alive

[iron willow]

||Good night, Vincent||

[chilly thorn]

That’s true, I’m blaming the game devs for that though rather than the writers lol.

Or writer I think it’s one dude

[iron willow]

I unironically cried when my friend streamed me ||Reed's route, I did Songbird's route first and sent her to the moon, I did not play Reed's||

[warm gate]

I just hope with all the stuff they did for boiling point they let us go into judge's psychological profile and let us learn a bit more abt his time in the usia or what happened in nevada

[iron willow]

true

[chilly thorn]

Void has to go back and characterize the world more old maps feel so unprofessional compared to dlc maps

[bitter mason]

There is some holes in the writing, some briefings arent that well written imo, leave out some details that would be nice, some just getting things wrong to the point it cant be intentional.
There just seems to have been a disconnect between the writters and level designers and some of the more obvious details get forgotten about in favour of the teeny things most players wont stop to look at
They have just taken "Environmental storytelling" a bit too literally at times

[chilly thorn]

Care to give an example of a wildly incorrect briefing

[warm gate]

Id love to see the older factions come back honestly

[dim swallow]

I hate it when judge goes "toc to entry team, bagging it."

[chilly thorn]

Yes

[iron willow]

if they ever rewrite it, I hope they don't go to Streamer's and make the team lead say "The suspect has a niche hobby for anthropomorphic animals" or something, it feels like something they'd do though

[dim swallow]

They better add more special evidence lines

[iron willow]

VOID isn't exactly subtle

[stoic thistle]

For Hunger Strike, it's said that a shootout happened at Chico's, but there's no evidence for it.

[chilly thorn]

That was his brother not him

[warm gate]

I mean judge masks all personality other than yelling fuck or god damn

[bitter mason]

Twisted nerve breifing mentions an "Underground garage" and claims its a vital thing to secure but there is nothing really matching that description in the map at all
Theres also the discrepency of the briefing mentioning a second entry team taking the meth lab house which doesnt exist and we have to do that ourselves

[wide verge]

I think there are new voicelines on Narcos

[iron willow]

He does have cat ear headphones, so it's justifiable to think he is the furry

[chilly thorn]

The underground garage is the cave

[bitter mason]

not a garage tho
and there is nothing down there

[warm gate]

Or arguing with fisa one time

[chilly thorn]

The entrance is a garage

[dim swallow]

No im talking about the fact that most evidence has a generic "collecting evidence" voice line while certain evidence has a unique line

[wide verge]

It looks like a garage. They dont know about the cave

[dim swallow]

Im a dumbass i meant like certain objectives

[warm gate]

Just collecting evidence or bagging it is to boring i agree

[chilly thorn]

A garage that goes under the overpass, under the ground he’s just using the proper architectural dialect

[bitter mason]

yes the entrance is but the tunnel is different
"Underground garage" to me sounds like a specific garage dug underground
the cave itself is pointless really theres nothing down there

[warm gate]

Or toc found drugs

[dim swallow]

Yea im talking more like the Coyote boat, Streamer miner, etc

[solemn patio]

Hear me out, PMAGs

[dim swallow]

Back in 1.0 you'll just say "toc this is entry team, collecting evidence" but thankfully now some of them have lines

[wide verge]

How is the cave pointless if there are suspects down there

[chilly thorn]

“TOC we found an underground river system, seems like this is how they are getting people in.” That would be so easy.

[dim swallow]

Well now we do say "we got a boat here"

[bitter mason]

theres also a bit of a weirdness with the plot
the cop on carriers of the vine is said to have been pinned down in the central courtyard of the farm, which means she went as far as the middle of this compound having to go through the buildings.

[bitter mason]

Yeah this is something desperately needed

actual reports of findings for each mission

[dim swallow]

This one is funny cause in EA you could find the body of the slain officer but now he's gone

[warm gate]

It would be nice since they finally got judge to talk a bit more in boiling point to give him small quips or something basically reganing some personallity not to mention other than arguing with the fisa agent is the only other time he shows anything

[dim swallow]

Although iirc someone said that both officers were vacated before we were sent in

[chilly thorn]

Ok considering that the cops car that she was taking cover in was covered in blood and had bullet holes everywhere, those graves are her and her partner

[bitter mason]

yeah lol
all we have about the officer is a voice line from suspects saying "Looking for your friend? How do you know they're still around" but get no actual conclusion

[warm gate]

On carriers of the vine its theorized that both of the cops got killed iirc

[chilly thorn]

Now if ONLY they let you REPORT those graves BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE COULD FIGURE THAT EASIER BUT NOOO

[bitter mason]

The graves in the compound no way
why would they give them a burial like that

those have to be buried cult members

[chilly thorn]

The cops were innocent women they only wanted to go after abusers

[bitter mason]

And the breifing states they got pinned down in the compound courtyard so for some reason they ended up in the middle of the place like idiots

[bitter mason]

so why did they kill the cops

[chilly thorn]

They didn’t want to get arrested for kidnapping and torturing people, and their is a courtyard in the front entrance

[bitter mason]

They also dont seem very remorseful about killing them they seem rather smug

[dim swallow]

Also, i wonder why void decided to cut the security guard in Elephant being able to return fire to the shooters

[iron willow]

Idk they think cops are perpetrators to the system of abuse?

[iron willow]

Probably to make S ranks possible

[chilly thorn]

I think execution wise narcos, a new America and Bank are flawlessly depicted

[dim swallow]

Having friendlies/innocents with guns would be so cool

[bitter mason]

so why give them such a nice burial?????

[iron willow]

They are a little stupid

[chilly thorn]

Because they probably don’t want to kill nonabusers like I said

[bitter mason]

yeah definitely
still some voice lines missing but they are way better than most

[bitter mason]

it feels like such a weird loophole tho
bad writing

[dim swallow]

Like iirc in swat 4 on the hospital level the VIP has a whole security team that will not shoot you after you announce your presence, albeit they will still need to be secured

[iron willow]

A real (wo)man outta be a little stupid -Ryuji Goda

[chilly thorn]

Ok if you were a literal murder cult even if you were justified and cops were coming for you, would you fight?

[bitter mason]

I dont believe those graves are the cops but instead other cult members who have died somehow
and the cops were just thrown in a ditch somewhere and we never get a conclusion

[solemn patio]

Wait that fucking sucks i want that

[bitter mason]

There are certainly ways around it than just instantly opening fire

[chilly thorn]

The graves also just have a female symbol rather then the cult symbol possibly symbolizing them not being members

[stoic thistle]

Wouldn't the empty police car be a dead giveaway?

[dim swallow]

Yeah there are voice lines for the lone security guard where he's shooting at the shooters 😔

[chilly thorn]

It was either prison or die with dignity, you can’t get away with murder unless your rich lol

[bitter mason]

we can assume they are dead we just dont get any actual conclusion if they are or know

[solemn patio]

How the fuck did they even end up there hold up

[chilly thorn]

Car

[dim swallow]

The cultists beat up a person in a store iirc

[chilly thorn]

Cops were called on a license and they tracked it

[solemn patio]

Ive been threatened to have my balls cut off 1000 times by them I know the courtyards a deathzone

Surely theyd know that too living in basically the super hood

[chilly thorn]

Different courtyard, there is two one in the front one inside

[bitter mason]

oh and it does say in the breifing they are pinned down in the "central courtyard" thats not the front lawn

[solemn patio]

Ah I see

[solemn patio]

Lemme check the materials

[bitter mason]

I made a google doc about these things
its a bit outdated by now probably and might be a few hiccups but I think most is valid
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IMH_kFryaW8I8Mg6qpQgaBAtWyIjVT5B-_E-1HbacU8/edit?tab=t.0

[somber monolith]

hey judge i got help with sleeper agent so now i have every badge except my eyes

[warm gate]

Heck yea dawg

[somber monolith]

feelsgoodman

[dim swallow]

With how theres a second SWAT team in All Gods Burn and the fallen SWAT team in A New America, i wonder if we'll get to see an active second element in future updates

[somber monolith]

like one player controlled or you mean one just in the enviroment

[chilly thorn]

I’m sorry but chronological order is not an issue it’s a progression thing, and a lot of these characters I know are in the game

[pastel notch]

Incredible DLC devs. 👍👍

[chilly thorn]

For example the John Doe will spawn on nearly every run of Twisted nerve outside with a ak74u

[bitter mason]

Chronological order can go according to mission difficulty

[chilly thorn]

He even has unique voicelines

[bitter mason]

yes I said there would be a few hiccups

That one I know is wrong I've just not updated the doc

[iron willow]

Okay genuinely, can I get some advice for S rank ANA? I use flash launcher, my whole team has flash launchers, I still die at the 3rd floor near courtroom

[chilly thorn]

Perhaps I should make my own :3

[somber monolith]

thats grim

try flashing above you when you get up those stairs

[bitter mason]

Go for it

[wide verge]

Heavy armor?

[iron willow]

Last time they are far far away at the other side

[somber monolith]

atleast helps you dominate the middle space

[stoic thistle]

Order them to flash and then clear, alternatively, have them use the side doors and split up.

[dim swallow]

AI controlled element like uhh, in SWAT 3 i guess

[crude prism]

Everyone should make a Google doc so then we make a Google doc Google doc which is a Google doc with a list of Google docs

[iron willow]

Everyone has heavy armor, and my AI seems to die if I ask them to do ANYTHING, half my runs end by my teammates dying

[iron willow]

last time I tried that they opened the courtroom door and mission failed

[somber monolith]

also yea heavy armor download a more slots mod so you can take more flashes with you and then also rock a mandible

[bitter mason]

some I just find is weird writing
Ends of the earth has very conflicted information to do with who contacted the police about the gun modding. Would be way better to just simplify it down to one person

[bitter mason]

docing my google

[dim swallow]

Man it sucks how many cool things has to be cut/not considered because they'd make S ranks impossible

[stoic thistle]

You need to turn on the jammer first.

[somber monolith]

you need to activate the counter frequency before you can go in the court room

[crude prism]

Fuck typing in discord, communicate by sharing Google docs with eachother

[wide verge]

Clear everything except courtroom BEFORE activating the jammer

[bitter mason]

helps when discord has a character limit 😶

[iron willow]

I want to first clear that upstairs area before activating jammer, the morons keep opening hte courtroom door even if I say move and clear to stairwell

[somber monolith]

i mean they could just script it to be canon events that dont effect the mission outcome

[bitter mason]

and if you need to make a callout post about someone you dont like

[iron willow]

One time I asked to move and clear the rooms BELOW the stairwell and they opened courtroom door???

[somber monolith]

have them stack on it and stay there when you clear it then go back down by yourself

[iron willow]

I don't think it's smart to go alone

[somber monolith]

oh and queue a command for them to breach so as soon as the signals up they'll clear it

[wide verge]

Honestly try it on casual. Figure out a route

[somber monolith]

heres my tactic - locate the jammer clear the second floor - move up to third floor - clear it - stack them on courtroom doors - go back down and activate and let them clear it while i work my way back up

[iron willow]

My issue is I can't get the AI to clear the stairwell without them immediately opening the courtroom door

they don't stack up on it, they just open it

[somber monolith]

have them on follow mode

"fall in"

[wide verge]

Don't let them clear by themselves. You take point

[iron willow]

Issue. I then die near courtroom

Because there is always a guy far away who just oneshots me becuase the only part of my body that peeks is my head

[wide verge]

Again. Try on casual

[somber monolith]

flash the corners when you get up there

oh also no crack would be helpful for you i imagine

[covert aurora]

Use a mirrior gun

[iron willow]

like pre emptivly? I could do that Ig, there IS an ammo box somewhere, right?

[somber monolith]

yes

[iron willow]

you know that is good advice thank you, I forgot those look around corners

[wise badge]

would a SWAT team realistically be the ones handling a mission like A New America?

[somber monolith]

right side yellow box of the stairs

[iron willow]

Hell no

[lost swallow]

Question here: one of my friends told me the NPCs can react to brighter colored clothing. Is he correct?

[somber monolith]

no they'd send in cag or something we're talking a mass terror attack comparable to 9/11

[iron willow]

Like when up the stairs or down the stairs

[wise badge]

they'd prolly js nuke the whole building

[somber monolith]

up

no they wouldnt 😭

[bitter mason]

how far up his ass did he have to dig to come up with that one

[glass heart]

cag would just make sure nobody from the mlo sides walks away

[lost swallow]

Idk lil

[iron willow]

What is an CAG?

[wide verge]

The briefing says national guard is on their way. Realistically FBI HRT could do it but in game your swat team is basically part of first responders

[glass heart]

probably would take some people prisoner who would then be subjected to usia torture beyond belief

[glass heart]

the combat applications group aka delta is the best counter terrorist unit of the us military

[iron willow]

I see nice

[wise badge]

whats MLO

[glass heart]

they do hostage rescue overseas

[somber monolith]

^ so the goto guys for an op like this

[wide verge]

CAG=Delta Force

[bitter mason]

Suspects in one of the new DLC missions

[wise badge]

ohh how are they so strong and military like

[somber monolith]

FBI HRT is a good shout actually but i feel like cag would be on site too, some level of joint operation

[bitter mason]

some CIA brainwashing conspiracy subplot

[glass heart]

they were trained by the usia and recruited from LE and the military

[wide verge]

Whoever is there first goes in. It's an emergency

[glass heart]

its a faction made of judge basically

[dim swallow]

If youre talking in game terms they have some bits of SWAT AI in them, ie they will stack, do breaches, toss flashbangs, sweep rooms etc

[wise badge]

ohhh

[somber monolith]

not when you've got a deadmans switch and bombs, active shooter be damned you need better tactics for that

[wise badge]

that makes sense on why the mission is so hard

[somber monolith]

besides its not really an active shooter scenario, more of a barricaded suspect situation plus a bomb threat

[dim swallow]

Also, seeing the MLO actually kick doors made me wish suspects and civs had an actual door kicking animation

[somber monolith]

they're fully near peer to the player

[dim swallow]

Rn they just walk up to the door and it just opens with a kick sfx and vfx

[wide verge]

If a swat team is near they're going in. Not talking regular police. Any civilians in there are potential hostages. The mayors life is at risk. No time to wait really

[wide verge]

Its a terrorist attack

[somber monolith]

the mayors life is potatoes to the millions of lives endangered by those buildings coming crumbling down

[zinc lantern]

Yeah, they can see white light and react to it; they’ll know where you are if it’s seen

[somber monolith]

swat might be first there but they wont be taking point

[wide verge]

They dont know about that prior to the mission

[somber monolith]

at best they'll clear the first floor and be told to wait

[iron willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzFEPJK45iQ

On my next few attempts on ANA I will play this in the background, maybe it gives me the drive

[dim swallow]

Speaking about ANA how the hell did the second swat team made it to the jammer without harming any single suspect 💀

Idt we see any pre-placed injured or dead MLO bodies in ANA

[somber monolith]

they were already on site iirc guarding the city council

[dim swallow]

O i thought they were there before us, but also i remember mlo threatening to blow the bombs if anyone other than judge's team was sent

[iron willow]

I like how ANA is the first time TOC refers to Judge as Judge

[somber monolith]

well clearly they werent that pressed about it

[iron willow]

Also is it just me but I like the name "All Gods Burn" over "A New America" I'd swap the 2 mission names with each other tbh

[dim swallow]

Also i wonder if the second team had sleeper agents in em cause you only find 2 dead officers and they have been stripped of their vests

[old idol]

okay so if im getting this right, a new america's enemies are a mix of the MLO and black sentinel

though the MLO are the main bad guys and black sentinel just so happens to be there

[wide verge]

It's not realistic for a swat team to handle a situation like A new America, but the priority would be to save civilians. The bomb threat complicates things, it would require an EOD team to be on site and ready

[bitter mason]

RON certainly likes its missions that are unreasonable for a swat team to handle

[wide verge]

a lot of missions, but I really don't mind. I just roleplay as a tier one unit, FBI HRT whatever. I would like some simple, smaller missions tho. Arrest warrants, barricaded suspects in regular houses or apartments

[iron willow]

that's one of my friend's big problems on the game

[bitter mason]

Its one of mine

[wise badge]

BROO I ALMOST BEAT NEW AMERICA BUT I ACIDENTALLY HIT "ACTIVATE"

[zinc lantern]

There’s nothing realistic about pretty much every single mission we play lol

If RoN had an accurate scale of tactics and officer/SWAT involvement to suspects, it would be a pretty boring game

[wide verge]

first off, 5 guys handling the vast majority of missions is not realistic in itself, disregarding whether its a swat type mission or not

[bitter mason]

It obviously has to be a bit over the top but doesnt have to be of the level ron goes to

[wide verge]

I know briefings talk about other teams and other entry points, but still

[bitter mason]

SWAT 4 glaze incoming but that game has plenty of missions a swat wouldnt really handle but manages to feel believable to a degree
A good chunk of RONs (though mostly the DLC ones) are not believable in the slightest

[zinc lantern]

I don’t disagree that I’d like to see a batch of more grounded missions, though. Simple stuff like suburban calls, or incidents at stores/smaller industrial areas

[swift bone]

I like to believe that the game takes place in the same universe as cyberpunk given the amount of fearless schizoradicals we fight. Even security guys and PMCs are exited to gun down cops in Los Suenos

[wide verge]

While I agree I think a lot of people would complain if each mission wasn't as unique as they are. I think a lot of people would be complaining if missions were too "similar"

[bitter mason]

Honestly Ready or Not would fit great with a cyberpunk skin

[swift bone]

95% of the player base would play them once and never again, it would be a waste of dev time

[wide verge]

most likely. A shame but it's not worth it probably

[zinc lantern]

Yeah, I don’t know. Ends of the earth gets a lot of praise because it’s a more grounded mission compared to the rest

[swift bone]

I wouldn’t mind more smaller maps simply for performance reasons and quick play but they should still feature an interesting firefight and not just one dude in a liquor store

[wide verge]

one of my favorites. Wouldn't mind 2-3 more similar missions

[crude prism]

One day we'll get mission customization so you can make "smaller" maps not a snoozefest.

(Hopium)

[bitter mason]

The issue is more the story around the missions and the suspects we are up against
ones set well out of reasonable bounds for a metropolitan swat like the dark water missions, huge terror threats like a new america
You can have tricky suspects that dont give up easily but if they were mobsters, cartel and usual crooks it wouldnt feel so out of place

the vanilla maps do mostly consist of that which is good

its just some missions really feel like they jump the shark

[swift bone]

The enemies in most of the missions are vanilla bandits

Honestly after the current DLC I wonder if it would even be possible to keep escalating without D platoon going rogue or Los Suenos descending into civil war

[bitter mason]

they doing some weird shit with the story that i dont really care about tbh

never been a fan of the whole conspiracy subplot personally

[chilly thorn]

I like it, Its expiremental. Good set pieces. More unique Factions. Swat 4s story was nonexistent. This game is actually trying something.

Its important to remember the situation LS is in is FAR worse then our own.

[bitter mason]

I dont really hate it that much and yeah I appreciate its something different
I just find the execution so lacking with how much of a mess the game has been since 1.0

[chilly thorn]

It is obvious how rushed 1.0 is. A lot of my issues can be solved just by going back and updating it.

[swift bone]

Will the final DLC have us fight Bane? Or will the MLO pull up in a bradley?

[bitter mason]

yea but with how long it has been and with how many updates they've pumped out with very little improvement im getting less hopefuly for actual good change

[bitter mason]

A new america really does feel like some dark knight shit

[somber wolf]

Final dlc will give you a MLAW

[bitter mason]

Judge will become batman, heaven knows LS needs him

[chilly thorn]

They did do some changes, Adding Dark waters AI and weapon caches to 1.0 levels. So its definently possible. Keep recommending it to the devs.

Its important to stay light hearted with the suggestions. If critique is too mean spirited or aggressive its hard to get anything out of it other then an insult.

[real cloak]

Can someone explain how the ai is so stupid ? Especially the team ai but enemy ai is like human terminators ?

[bitter mason]

Void is actually a collection of rogue AIs and ready or not is their petty act of revenge against humans

[real cloak]

No wonder why they never update the game

[swift bone]

Ready or Not is a video game so it must be getting harder and larger scale as you go further into the story so escalating and jumping the shark isn’t exactly a confusing decision from the developers. You can’t just have 15 levels straight of firefights featuring like at most 7 gangbangers

[chilly thorn]

Massive tip, USE the other fall in orientations. I BEG OF YOU. It makes so much of a noticable difference.

[half sundial]

If I hear “out of the sir” or “you’re in my spot” again, I’m going to execute my squad.

[brittle swan]

REAL

[bitter mason]

that oversimplifies the level design
theres a lot that can go into it
map layout/complexity, map size
suspect equipment and specific gimmicks.
Dorms for example plays quite differently because of all the crawl spaces for suspects and civvies to go through, greased palms is a cluttered mess with few doors, neon tomb has loud music and lights that can make things a bit trickier

the levels need to challenge player restraint and tactics more than shooting

[chilly thorn]

They should continue missions like bank, Bank was probably the most unique map in the game. If there is a next dlc it should have a gimmick for each level, They dont have to be too crazy but have a gimmick that is noticable. This DLC made GREAT progress with that but they can go further.

[opaque zealot]

id actually like to see another map that obstructs night vision significantly like neon did, it was a cool concept snd emphasized flashlight usage

ANA’s ir traps were also a cool gimmick bc you’d never expect to be needing to use nods in a daylight map

[chilly thorn]

AnA is an amazing mission imo suspects that actually interact with the enviroment and you can actual do stuff to mess with their ability. The MLO suspects turning on the fire alarm to distract you, Even them shooting fire extinguishers all amazing.

[brittle swan]

its advantageous to trigger them, so the suspects come out to rush you where you have the advantage

[chilly thorn]

They will flank you

[bitter mason]

some maps I feel miss out on good gimmick opportunities
rust belt's side tunnels should be unlit making NODs more valuable
Dealership is missing its other detective who could exist seemingly as a suspect but will not fight you so you have to be sure to target ID

[chilly thorn]

Rust belt should have been pitch black imo

[brittle swan]

simply shoot them when they loudly shout "breaching" or kick open doors, or throw a flashbang

[opaque zealot]

i prefer to disarm them to keep the suspects split up to pick them off

[chilly thorn]

The less stealthy you are the more aggressive they will be and the more alert they will be. Not fun.

[opaque zealot]

he has a model too idk why he wasnt included

[bitter mason]

I agree I was dissapointed when I played it for the first time and didnt really need the nods
the main path the priefing mentions should be dimly lit but side passages should be completely pitch black
suspects should use headlamps and if they dont have them they cant see you as well

[chilly thorn]

Stealth in this game isn't no sound its as little sound as possible

[brittle swan]

with my recent runs i just ran through everything, only the ones on the bottom floor they actually triggered them

[brittle swan]

no the suspects do those things

[chilly thorn]

Although it has major issues rust belt is still one of my favorite maps but yeah.

[brittle swan]

thats how you can easily tell where they are coming from

[bitter mason]

oh yeah we can agree on that I do love rustbelt

another zak banger track just wish it played sooner than when you reach the end of the tunnel

[chilly thorn]

Remember when rust belts lighting was completely busted from Home invasion to Console release

[opaque zealot]

imagine if ANA had sleeper agents in a way similar to relapse where some of the mlo would be disguised as sheriff’s deputies or government workers

[chilly thorn]

It has a cut combat ost which I love I could send you it if your interested, Its very subtle.

[bitter mason]

please do I've not heard it

[brittle swan]

yeah ngl i think id just shoot anyone with a firearm on reflex

[bitter mason]

yees that annoyed me so much
it still isnt perfect but its atleast not as broken as it was

strangely one of my top favourite missions is sins of the father. Very good for some actual room clearing action, always felt like it should have been the last mission instead of hide and seek though not 100% on that anymore with the DLCs out

[opaque zealot]

i love sins the most for its aesthetic and layout

[chilly thorn]

Don't disrespect hide and seek like dat its artistically brilliant.

[opaque zealot]

plus you can geniunely play sins in any style

[bitter mason]

Hide and seek is very good dont get me wrong but something about sins feels very last mission to me

[opaque zealot]

go full sf with gpnvgs, patrolman style with just shotguns and the mk18, or basic swat style with nothing but a few smgs and flashlights

[chilly thorn]

May be the American anthem.

[opaque zealot]

i love its replayability

[bitter mason]

I just wish suspects in sins actually fucking barricaded themselves into rooms and hide around the place instead of bum rushing me in the first hallway and all dying

[bitter mason]

yeah feels like it fits most with the games "Decay of america" theme

[chilly thorn]

gpnvgs hurt my brain...

I have slight motion sickness so I guess its not for me

[opaque zealot]

i think it’d be interesting if the 2 allied secret service protective agents actually carried guns and could be mistaken as suspects

[chilly thorn]

Fun fact a sample of the Star Spangled Banner will play when you drop the building on AnA but only if you do it by yourself.

[bitter mason]

I dont think I noticed that neat

[molten wasp]

Dude I want a mod mission where we can raid nova online

[opaque zealot]

the mlo let the left behind try to do their gameplan knowing they’d fail

[chilly thorn]

I sent you it including the AnA sample

[iron willow]

Can the jammer be somewhere up the stairwell

I can't find it on the third floor

[opaque zealot]

its either in the conference room behind the stairs, press hall, or city council

[iron willow]

okay thank you

[chilly thorn]

Triggerman shoved the jammer up his ass you fail

[finite bay]

So unless I missed something in the briefing for A New America, the situation in Los Sueños has devolved to the point the 40th ID is in the process of mobilizing, why hasn’t the Insurrection act been invoked when this is a scenario where it probably should be?

[opaque zealot]

ngl they missed an opportunity to include additional radio audio if u fail the mission

the introduction of the other team being killed off was so well made, they couldve thrown in another transmission from units on the ground reporting the collapse

[opaque zealot]

its just terrorism in the end

the MLO havent moved to destroy the federal government (yet) they basically just incited civil unrest specifically to attack city hall along with a few other buildings

had they planted a nuke in cordova tower like swat 3 maybe it’d be enacted

[mortal geode]

how i love searching for the last civ on ANA

[finite bay]

The use of nerve agents isn’t enough?

[old idol]

searching for last civs you say?

[opaque zealot]

its los suenos tbh this is just a tuesday

[old idol]

Like bro Im not even trying to S rank A New America and I die almost always at around Floor 2/3

(Okay technically its not floor 2/3 but you might understand what im talking about)

Boiling Point as a whole is a lot more difficult overall than Home Invasion and Dark Waters

[opaque zealot]

its basically the climax of 2 years of buildup

[chilly thorn]

Ehhh only AnA is more difficult

I still would say Narcos is harder then Pier or Bank

[old idol]

No Good Deed and All Gods Burn are far from easy maps though

[chilly thorn]

No map in this game is easy, And I personally think No Good Deed is heavily underrated

[old idol]

Its the most unique map in my opinion even if its main gimmick is literally useless if you just wear a gas mask

Though I like All Gods Burn with how its a bank heist where you gotta deal with two different forces the Rioters and Black Sentinel whom are robbing the bank

[past stratus]

i SWEAR i thought los navegantes was apart of the mission

[opaque zealot]

it honestly becomes easy to memorize after one playthrough

[old idol]

Im pretty sure the reason why the mission is like that is because if it were a bank robbery that we would expect, it would be like EOTE, Elephant and ALO where there are not a lot of suspects and the mission is over just like that

[novel halo]

Sometimes I just love to load up all gods burn and just spray into the crowd, I hate how they block my shots or get guns from caches

[old idol]

Though All Gods Burn is a pretty fast-paced mission considering many suspects can attack you right at the start

[novel halo]

Yeah, I also figured they spent most of their time on the last mission and needed a filler one

[past stratus]

All Gods Burn is a VERY easy mission if you just bring a flash grenade launcher

[novel halo]

word

[idle burrow]

FOR FUCKS SAKE VOID

[novel halo]

what again 😭

[past stratus]

tbh it doesnt even matter if its m320 or the primary grenade launcher, they both work fine

[opaque zealot]

this and an mk-v

[chilly thorn]

Still good

[old idol]

Then there's A New America

[idle burrow]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media

[past stratus]

i think i am one of the 3 people who doesnt like using the MK-V

[old idol]

Where the enemies are probably the most threatening so far, all of them at least use a rifle or so

[chilly thorn]

Gas launcher is better then the flash launcher. I'll say it.

[old idol]

And most of them have body armor

[past stratus]

now it is, i havent fully moved over to gas after using flash

[chilly thorn]

Its fun as hell to use really feels unique

[finite bay]

I’m just happy with my 5.7 USG

[past stratus]

i love to go in and just gas everything on Twisted Nerve

[chilly thorn]

I love gasing everything on every map

[past stratus]

i love the TLE-1911 and s2011

[old idol]

I also like how in No Good Deed the suspects literally impersonate police officers then wearing creepy ass masks that remind me of stuff like the Dark Knight and Payday

[chilly thorn]

sadly this new dlc is rather gas mask heavy...

[past stratus]

oh boy.. i wonder why...

[old idol]

Only No Good Deed needs a gas mask, the rest of the missions can be beaten without a gas mask unless you use pepperballs and gas grenades where it is a must

[idle burrow]

Suspects with fart bombs?

[rocky plover]

I haven't used the gas mask once in this dlc tbh

[iron willow]

I might actually off myself, I had the best run and my AI squadmates died at the courtroom

[past stratus]

surely not because of the fucking stupid dumbass stupid stupid poopy shitton of fart bombs

[old idol]

Not even in No Good Deed?

[rocky plover]

Nope

[iron willow]

I did... EVERYTHING correctly and my team just immediately dies to RNG

[rocky plover]

It clears out after a bit

[novel halo]

this man is built different

[chilly thorn]

Also if anyones wondering "Why are the pier suspects immune to gas if they have no masks??" They have plastic respiratory devices under the masks, You can slightly see them and the wires.

[idle burrow]

Wait till you'rer trying A New America

[past stratus]

when i do A New America i bring flashes.

lots and lots of flashes

[old idol]

Also the MLO cultists are so armed that a near point blank buckshot shell to the chest just stuns them but not enough to kill them where you need another shot to kill/incap them

[idle burrow]

*Programmed Psychosis

[opaque zealot]

does the gas mask still act like a makeshift ballistic mask btw

[iron willow]

THAT WAS A NEW AMERICA

[old idol]

This whole thing made me switch to slugs

[rocky plover]

The anti flash goggles and ballistic mask combo is just too good lol

[opaque zealot]

i remember it used to ages ago

[old idol]

Iirc slugs are the only shells capable of penetrating armor right?

[idle burrow]

I MISWROTE CAUSE MY BRAIN IS FUCKED FROM #🎬ron-clips-and-media LOL

[novel halo]

oh yeah

[opaque zealot]

did they ever alter that or is it still the same

[rocky plover]

No I believe that was fixed

[past stratus]

i dont like how the MLO went from a government branch kinda thing to a whole cult

[chilly thorn]

Ballistic mask muffles your voice too much

[iron willow]

I am gonna fucking cry I am serious

[opaque zealot]

i wish theyd fix the ballistic mask atleast, its too misaligned so theres a gap between the goggles and mask

[rocky plover]

Only up to L3 and some on ANA have L4 which makes buckshot better than slugs for L4

[opaque zealot]

the old one looked more solid

[old idol]

MLO always were a cult, except in A Lethal Obsession Gerard Scott tells us that they are a result of the USIA doing MK Ultra type shit

[chilly thorn]

They have to do that with most cosmetics.

[rocky plover]

True

[chilly thorn]

The MLO were always a cult

[opaque zealot]

theyve been a cult since 2020

they were even still a cult in the old build of carriers of the vine up until 1.0 dropped

[chilly thorn]

Technically the ones from the original trailer and pvp gamemode were a different group of the MLO

[opaque zealot]

they actually sounded sorta more sane in their MP voicelines

[chilly thorn]

The ones in the old game were the first cohort this is the second, They are slightly different.

[past stratus]

im gonna say it, old cotv is funner than current cotv

[opaque zealot]

still radicals just less tripped off the mk ultra geekbar

[old idol]

Ngl the main theme of Boiling Point feels like something out of a batman movie, like it gives me Dark Knight vibes
And in all fairness Los Suenos is basically a west coast Gotham without the supervillains and superheroes

[opaque zealot]

i didnt like the floorplan

[chilly thorn]

The First cohort was more... lack of a better word stupid. And didn't have enough of a solid plan they were just mindbroken.

[opaque zealot]

it was too inconvenient for the ai at the time

[past stratus]

thats fair

i always thought it was pretty cool to go through

[opaque zealot]

i wonder what elaine was thinking watching ANAs events occurring from jail

[chilly thorn]

HA LIKE THE USIA KEPT HER ASS ALIVE

[opaque zealot]

aesthetically i agree it was sick as hell (the daylight version atleast)

[chilly thorn]

We both know they "Hanged themselves in their cell" the second they were arrested.

[stoic thistle]

Concrete cell somehow caught fire.

[opaque zealot]

i also liked that there was actually an officer laying dead in the driveway, while in the 1.0 carriers none of the officers can be found

[past stratus]

hung* 🤓

[old idol]

wait so they got replaced in the final game? I cant lie Carriers of the Vine (the cult) are kind of a one-off faction that shouldn't have replaced the MLO

[chilly thorn]

not gonna make a joke because its too freakish for the ron peeps

[opaque zealot]

originally i assumed they were extracted by responding officers since there was an ambulance behind the bearcat in 1.0 but after home invasion it got removed

[past stratus]

nvm im stupid

wait no

hung - ending their lives by themselves

hanged - dying by being hang

[opaque zealot]

gerard scott is still alive prob

[old idol]

Though to be fair many ready or not missions dont have big factions and often are random people like Ends of the Earth where its mostly just some desperate vietnamese-american kids trying to help their mother

[opaque zealot]

he escaped jail in the chaos and will build the anti mlo missile trust the process

[chilly thorn]

Gerard was pushing 60 bro

[opaque zealot]

na he in his prime

[past stratus]

i want to see a raid on either a USIA building or a FISA building

[stoic thistle]

I think he would just build a black powder cannon, mount it in a van, and drive it to the USIA headquarters.

[past stratus]

i wonder if the USIA building is still in langley or if they relocated it to ls

[opaque zealot]

i want a FISA centered dlc, ANA basically provided that despite the heavy bumps in the road FISA isnt fully corrupted

would be fun playing as a proper hrt team

[old idol]

Despite this he can still kill a D Platoon member pretty well if he wants to

[chilly thorn]

Would never happen.

You work for them

[past stratus]

im saying like

[opaque zealot]

fisa vs the usia

[chilly thorn]

Trash vs Garbage

[rocky plover]

@idle burrow I died like over 20 times like that before I managed to get programmed psychosis. Was so annoying.

That floor is such bs

[old idol]

so someone said that boiling point is kind of the climax of the ready or not story but I dont think it is over yet

[opaque zealot]

its the climax not the falling action

[idle burrow]

It's like "if I leave that guy he's gonna find and track me in 0ms" so I gotta push his ass

[chilly thorn]

Its the boiling point heh

[opaque zealot]

theres still more to come

[old idol]

i assume that dlcs in ready or not are not necessarily just there to progress the story but to give a specific theme

[past stratus]

OR i wanna see a mission like Homeland (the mod) where we go into abandoned police station. Overall I want more levels about The Hand, since they arent COMPLETELY gone.

[chilly thorn]

20 Members left of the hand in LS.

[old idol]

i cant lie i barely can feel the hand being there in relapse

[past stratus]

thats MORE than enough for a mission with them

[chilly thorn]

Agreed.

[rocky plover]

Yeah only to shoot you through some tiny crack you can't see

[opaque zealot]

i want a marshals themed dlc where some of our old suspects escape jail in the chaos of boiling point and need. to be tracked down before they flee the country

[old idol]

relapse's whole thing is that the hand are trying to rescue their guy who is hospitalized and they just go in with casual clothes and aks

[stoic thistle]

Realistically, they would want to cause as much damage as possible on the way out.

[past stratus]

airport/mall mission with them would work.

[opaque zealot]

give the hand special vests where it contains BOTH explosives and gas

[stoic thistle]

Do you think they crowd funded their equipment?

[old idol]

relapse is one of the lesser polished maps anyways where i wouldnt be surprised if void completely overhauled the mission and made the hand feel more like a proper organized faction

[past stratus]

seriously how have we not gotten a mall/airport mission yet?

[chilly thorn]

I have already gone over what I think would work as an end for the hand :)

[past stratus]

maybe they'd be too big nvm

[opaque zealot]

i hate how relapse is the only map with a proper police perimeter

[bitter mason]

as kinda cool as they'd be
I've had enough with large open spaces with this game

[old idol]

we dont really know how the hand even gets their equipment

[rocky plover]

I have suggested it before and probably was suggested already by someone else as well and I thought one would be for this update at least

[opaque zealot]

i feel like its a detail they NEVER do despite them having had an insanely well detailed one in the old thank you come again

[chilly thorn]

Airport wouldn't work

[old idol]

we know they are from yemen that have cells in america, maybe there is an arms smuggling between los suenos and the middle east

[rocky plover]

Maybe in the future though

[chilly thorn]

Mall is possible but how about this. An Abandoned Mall instead.

[bitter mason]

Mall and Prison is probably two that I've heard suggested a little bit

[old idol]

you wouldnt like an active shooter map?

okay fair not a lot of people like elephant

[novel halo]

A prison map would go hard, it's definitely coming next dlc 😭

[bitter mason]

Active shooter might be the worst mode in RON

[celest granite]

i need this

[chilly thorn]

I get that active shootings are a problem in america but they feel same-y. No Good Deed is the only fun one.

[novel halo]

so do I

[rocky plover]

All good ideas tbh for maps

[stoic thistle]

Elephant is the most realistic of the 5.

[opaque zealot]

prison would be interesting esp if similar to bank it’d be full of suspects who’d require extra identification with both armed inmates and nonhostile regular ones

[rocky plover]

I Even suggested an embassy once, would be nice

[novel halo]

I love how devs did the active shooting in the yacht map

[celest granite]

i like missions like 23 megabytes and ends of the earth

[chilly thorn]

Metro is my favorite Idea I also have written a plot for a map called Junkyard... but Im not gonna put it here lol.

[old idol]

this could be more than a good time to reintroduce the hand

[idle burrow]

If civvies are getting shot you might want to tell them to Move to Exit (Middle click, move to exit)

[old idol]

also not embassy it should be consulate

[past stratus]

mission locations that i think could be cool

aquarium mission
mall mission
airport mission airport map wouldnt work i agree now
police station mission
muesuem mission (was kinda already done in ANA?)
BIGGER BOAT MISSION (wouldn't be likely but it would be cool)

[rocky plover]

Or something along those lines ye

[celest granite]

i would like to have one at the airport

[bitter mason]

I dont that shit is annoying
I had the dude order the active shooting as he was surrendering
no voice line or anything just telepathic link to all his goons I guess

[opaque zealot]

they should make dlc 5 set in memphis at the bass pro shops pyramid

[past stratus]

some of these wouldn't be likely, i just think some of these are cool

make DLC 5 set in baltimore

if anywhere needs the LSPD, its baltimore.

[stoic thistle]

Alright, anyone who attacks the American pyramid deserves whatever comes for them.

[bitter mason]

I know how to get them to run, the problem is civvies getting shot before you can really do anything

[celest granite]

imagine having one at the police station

[bitter mason]

The mode just doesnt really work with Ready or Not's score system

[old idol]

i think it'd be easier if the "rescue all civilians" objective is gone in active shooter and instead you just get a bit less points for saving less civilians

[opaque zealot]

thank god neon isnt an active shooter mode

[bitter mason]

There was an AI mod that did that
worked a lot better

[opaque zealot]

entire map would explode before you got to the dancefloor

[dawn solstice]

me and my freaind somehow beat ides of the march 1st try

[past stratus]

mission in Will Smiths apartment and hes performing Gettin Jiggy Wit It

[opaque zealot]

they should add will smith and martin lawrence to ron

[dawn solstice]

_They died in like the last room _

[bitter mason]

there was a mod that did that

[opaque zealot]

include a scene where the bearcat crushes dj khaled

[bitter mason]

though no bombers blew up civvies

[past stratus]

will smith, dj khaled, and the papa john in a mission together called gettin jiggy with it

[chilly thorn]

Again my for maps ideas are:
Metro (Pitch Black Barricaded Suspects)
Junkyard (Rainy Night, Raid)
Los Angeles Abandoned Skyscrapers (3 floor map) (Sunset, Barricaded Suspects)
Aquarium (Hostage Situation)
Light House (Stormy, Raid)

[bitter mason]

sound good

[chilly thorn]

Aquarium sounds more sweet the more I think about the possible enviromental destruction

[past stratus]

im glad we havent seen los locos in a while

[chilly thorn]

I like the los locos they are cool

[old idol]

they havent appeared since home invasion

even then they only appeared on one map

[opaque zealot]

they should make another scary ass map like twisted nerve where its an organ trafficking spot thats a slaughterhouse inside

[bitter mason]

man if ron did some crazy destruction stuff that would be nice

[dawn solstice]

A lighthouse would be crazy and awful as a map

[bitter mason]

matrix pillars everywhere

[dawn solstice]

Just a tower with stairs it would just be annoying

[past stratus]

they ARE cool but they feel overused, even though i know they are a whole like cartel thing, i'd rather see the other cartels mentioned in Hunger Strike.

now that i think about it, it'd be cool to see all 3 gangs working together

[chilly thorn]

They do work with The Navigators of Chaos

[old idol]

the eco terrorists are perhaps the most underdeveloped faction, they should be a force to be reckoned with but the maps they debut in are not really the best of their respective dlc (iirc lawmaker, the map that introduces them, is the worst map of home invasion)

[chilly thorn]

Have you seen a full lighthouse complex before, Your thinking about like a stereotypical one lol

[opaque zealot]

when im trying to srank but bro triggers the ron levolution and geniunely gets every npc in the map killed

[bitter mason]

they seem weird to me, poorly written
they're obviously made to be hypocrites but they just end up being so unredeemable

[chilly thorn]

They are usually connected to a house as well

[old idol]

now insane idea but imagine a map set in a compton-inspired area, could be a drug bust or something

[dawn solstice]

ye but its like two building then a tower

[opaque zealot]

theyre either mlo or usia controlled

[past stratus]

i feel like the UPF is fine the way they are loadout wise, they ARE just a bunch of college students to be fair

[chilly thorn]

Could be a old boarding house with a light house that was left to rot. Taken over by a murderous group

[bitter mason]

Echo terrorists just seem like a silly concept to me idk

[chilly thorn]

They are a real thing believe it or not.

[opaque zealot]

unlike other groups that the mlo used to push the strings their goal isnt as clear since them affecting an oil platform and billionares house isnt the worst thing thats happened

[dawn solstice]

I want just more big maps

I want more maps with long ranges i can hold down with a battle rifle

[chilly thorn]

I enjoy big maps and I enjoy medium sized maps. I feel as if something like twisted nerve is the perfect length

[finite bay]

I’d like a level that feel like a race the clock/chase type thing like the one scene in Heat. The idea being to either neutralize or capture the suspects before they escape.

[bitter mason]

what is the worst thing done by an echo terrorist orginisation I am genuinely curious

[past stratus]

eco terrorists do NOT make sense

"lets kill people with our guns that just release more smoke into the air"

[bitter mason]

theres also the thing of them hanging the oil rig workers, just a case of ready or not being unable to do anything unless its super edgy

[finite bay]

Unabomber probably

[dawn solstice]

My least fav map is the god awful lethal obsession (Its just smol and crowded)

[past stratus]

i also like to believe the UPF tediously cleans up all their bullet shells after every successful attack

[old idol]

Its greased palms for me because of how annoying it is (relapse comes close)

[bitter mason]

that seems tame to me, i mean I know he bombed a buncha guys but its not quite hostage taking and militarising

[old idol]

Lethal Obsession at least is short and has nice lore

Even if the mission is piss easy

[dawn solstice]

Relapse is honestly up there for me map wise not a fav but i dont hate it

[stone bay]

ready or not lore is overrated

[dawn solstice]

Ides of the march is awful i was running around it so long looking for the enemies/civs

[bitter mason]

lethal obsession wastes the chance for an interesting gimmick where girard scuttles around the house using the cubby holes

[chilly thorn]

Superphenix Nuclear site targetted by a RPG-7, Could have caused a second chernobyle. Goes to show how STUPID antinuclear power peeps are lol

[old idol]

Ides of March is a pain for new players but not as much as greased palms where fundamentally shitty map design makes the map hard

[past stratus]

my least favorite map is, and has been the spider OR carriers of the vine

[finite bay]

Yeah they don’t really do that at all irl either. Only thing that comes to mind in that regard was the Discovery hostage incident.

[old idol]

greased palms is such a bad map that it bumps difficulty wayyy too much after you beat a relatively easy mission like ends of the earth

[finite bay]

For the most part a lot of eco terrorism is acts of arson or sabotage.

[bitter mason]

lol
I recently read up on some California Based terrorists that got into a shootout with cops, I forget the name of them but they were left wing extremists and really fucking stupid and made enemies of every leftist around them lmao

[past stratus]

greased palms isnt that bad of a mission and i think people overexaggerate its difficulty

in my opinion, at least.

[old idol]

the difficulty is that the map has so many spaces where you can get shot at whilst not being able to shoot back

bad map design + enemies on crack cocaine = a disaster

[chilly thorn]

Cough cough they were probably cia agents cough

or sorry usia

[bitter mason]

teehee 🤭

[dawn solstice]

I somehow beat ides first try so its fun just the map is a lil bad

[chilly thorn]

I love ides

[dawn solstice]

Only got a C rank on it never doing it again

[bitter mason]

Symbionese Liberation Army thats what they were called

[chilly thorn]

it was the first "Hard" map ron got and it stuck

[bitter mason]

it was in the 70s

[old idol]

alright random question, what parts of ANA do you guys die a lot in
i usually die at around floor 20 or 21

[chilly thorn]

interesting

[stoic thistle]

The weather underground also existed.

[chilly thorn]

Staircase

[old idol]

the MLO as a cult feel weird to me

they're super militarized and the most "cult" thing about them is their cryptic messsaging

[bitter mason]

its ready or not there has to be some loony cults somewhere in the story

[glass heart]

what the fuck is up with the suspect ai as of right now

im getting hard mode level bullshit on standard for some reason

[bitter mason]

what level

[old idol]

now uh, i kinda dont get what exactly is the purpose of black sentinel and the navigators as groups
they were both introduced in three letter triad but i dont know exactly what they do as groups. All i know is that the latter did a terrorist attack deploying toxic gas, whilst the latter robbed a bank and was involved with the MLO in ANA

[solemn patio]

Running a juggernaut loadout, smg or battle rifle?

Pdw or battle rifle mb

[snow sphinx]

im looking for some people who are DEEP into the ready or not lore, who could help me with a little (kinda very big) project of mine. if ur interested in helping me please feel free to dm

[chilly thorn]

They worship the American Dream as their Pseudo-Gospel, Due to their old programming they believe they must "Protect it" Due to them being outcased for being to inhumane to work as sleeper agents they saw America for what it is, A failure. This makes them believe they have to fix it, But they only know violence. It's not a traditional cult. But Cult doesn't just mean religious.

[blissful jolt]

brooo

i keep dying on lethal obsession

[bitter mason]

they're american americans
thats what kinda cultists they are

[stone bay]

use the fal

[solemn patio]

Full auto or semi

[stone bay]

semi

[chilly thorn]

They are more like Derranged Revolutionaries. All built on false promises. Like the Man said they "Worship Mere Symbols." and are "Meerly mindbroken test subjects." The symbol they worship being the american dream.

[old idol]

I get it now, thats why the mission they actually appear is "A New America"

[sage portal]

I for the life of me cant get through "Sins of the father" I almost had it until my team messed it up!

[glass heart]

all of them

[old idol]

Hideo Kojima type writing vravo bince

[chilly thorn]

Yes they are actively trying to build a new america

[sage portal]

So I gave up entirely!

[glass heart]

it feels like something got fucked up because this was NOT happening pre bp

[sage portal]

....

[chilly thorn]

This is why the official renders of the MLO by Martin Freeman depict the MLO on a pile of federal agent and police corpses raising the flag of the 13 colonies.

[old idol]

I still dont know what Black Sentinel really are, all i know is that they are mercs and many of them have former government experience

But they dont exactly have anything specific like political goals such as the Left Behind or financial goals like Los Locos

[chilly thorn]

The original Black Sentinal group was made up of Ex-Agents and Tier 1 operators, They were nothing more then PMCs working for the highest bidder. The reason they are weaker in a New America is because 3LT was their best. They are basically just overall goons for hire.

[old idol]

Didnt they also rob the bank in All Gods Burn

who paid them to rob it though

[covert aurora]

Probably the MLO

[chilly thorn]

Half they wanted money from the bank Half the MLO payed them to set it up for judge to see it.

"All Gods Burn" meaning that the government isn't immune on their high pedistals away from the crime ridden streets, The MLO proved this by killing both the Mayor and Governer.

[old idol]

from the trailer of boiling point (which shows a teaser of No Good Deed) they've been using the navigators as pawns of sorts to orchestrate the blackwood pier attack

[chilly thorn]

Thats not at all whats happening lol

[glass heart]

he passed the mlo program

he is the first succesful iteration, the others we fight are the rejects

[chilly thorn]

Judge is the Third Cohort of the Mariposa/Targetted Manipulation Program.

[solemn patio]

Brother nuclear is like super safe who is anti nuclear so hard they want to kill people

[cursive minnow]

Lore was already there regardless this DLC just put the last pieces together.

[chilly thorn]

it was the 1970s plus you'd be suprised how stupid some people can be.

[old idol]

a lethal obsession literally already gave us the hint that judge is far from just an ordinary cop

why would an experienced ex-USIA agent be strangely obsessed over judge

that is bound to draw some eyeballs alright

[chilly thorn]

The US government wants to turn america into a dictatorship/authoritarian imperalist regime, but they need brainwashed servants to carry out these supressions on the people without moral problems, The Mariposa Expirements were the attempts.

[old idol]

i was talking about gerard scott

[chilly thorn]

Its neither, Its either

1. A Member of a Deep Secret Society
2. Death himself.

[old idol]

gerard scott doesn't have his own organization, has a few loyal henchmen but he's essentially trying to expose the whole brainwashing program that the USIA had been doing

and its not like hes saying shit out of his ass when he literally worked for the USIA before

[chilly thorn]

The Mariposa Expirements or the Targetted Manipulation Program is the Ready or not in universe stand in for MK ultra, The reason why MK ultra was able to go further then it did in real life is because in Ready or not Lore America won the vietnam war

[solemn patio]

Lowkey quad rails are sexier than MLOKs

[chilly thorn]

I feel like telling someone ready or not lore is like one of those pictures of the 5G tower and a bunch of chemicles going into a dog

Basically yeah

Ready or not is about societal collapse and it all falling apart

[old idol]

the us didnt win in vietnam considering their attempts at stopping the communist insurgency failed and vietnam became a socialist republic, in ready or nots alternative universe it is implied that the south won the war and the communist guerillas were defeated

[chilly thorn]

but thats just a theory!! A game theory!!

[rapid adder]

Can someone pls tell me the trigger condition for the bad ending in A new Ameirca? I can trigger it in multiplayer right?

[old idol]

it never was that to begin with

[chilly thorn]

I mean its both

[cursive minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-2747499635347300991

[old idol]

its a painful oversimplification cus ready or not is not just you fighting random criminals from the streets, you fight all sorts of dangerous threats

[chilly thorn]

Ready or not was never about police lol

[old idol]

vengeful yemeni terrorists, disgusting human traffickers, disgruntled veterans and amoral cartel smugglers

[rapid adder]

does the entire online squad have to survive till the end for that? one of us died and still pressed the detonation, but no bad ending

[glass heart]

you can kill as many people as you like, that doesnt mean winning the war

vietnam afghanistan and now iran prove this

also besides vietnam this alternate us has to have some other jump off points to make it the way it is

[old idol]

did king just friendly fire me to my death

[cursive minnow]

I have no idea about the functionality for those cutscenes in multiplayer. And I usually return to lobby instead of going through the score screen. Maybe someone else will know that.

[glass heart]

its not only vietnam but other things too im betting

[chilly thorn]

Its implied america could have taken vietnam over with the amount of vietnamese culture in this games version of california

[opaque zealot]

te cutscene only triggers in commander/quickplat

[rapid adder]

single player then

[cursive minnow]

Makes sense I mean what ya going to do spawn everybody in the jail cell or apartment? plus those cutscenes are meant to be played from Judge's perspective.

[old idol]

on the topic of ready or not being far from just about cops, one of the enemy factions literally are in the game because of america's military intervention
in the ready or not universe there is some fictional war in yemen that eventually led to the bombing of midi, which caused the formation of the Hand and later on the attacks on Neon Nightclub and Coastal Grove

[opaque zealot]

i love ron because for a game about a swat team it actually has a very appropriate themes and political messaging

the hand is just one of those shining examples

[solemn patio]

Still pissed I don’t have the 590m or the rotary gl (console peasant)

[opaque zealot]

game serves as a good critique of the US to the point its getting more accurate by the day

[old idol]

ends of the earth gotta be the most immoral mission d platoon has done so far, yes the tran family shouldn't have done crime but their mother was dying of cancer and they could not make enough money to pay off the medical bills.

its ethically correct to be non lethal because you're not fighting abusers or terrorists, you're fighting ordinary dudes trying to save their mom

[opaque zealot]

ends of the earth is more tragic when you consider how its all jack adams’s fault.

There were already lspd detectives involved who were planning to get the tran brothers off on probation or reduced sentences in exchange for cooperation, but jack adams second tipoff caused the raid which prevented that

[solemn patio]

Me when the civilians stand up in the middle of the gas station robbery:

Like seriously why aren’t they hiding

[old idol]

never mind that ends of the earth are one of the few missions where no one is really being threatened at all

[glass heart]

honestly if civvies stand up rapidly or run to an assault force they are gonna get shot

this has happened numerous times in real hostage rescue raids and nobody blamed the operators for it

[old idol]

like the tran family never took anyone hostage or is willing to kill people, they just wanna be left alone

[glass heart]

also the door kicks the civs do are funny

theyre so violent and explosive its like the game is baiting you to shoot at the sudden startling movement on purpose

[opaque zealot]

ends of the earth hits harder when u have an immigrant family

it’s genuinely the worst case scenario u can imagine

[warm gate]

[Insert josh hutcherson meme here but replace josh hutcherson with judge]

[opaque zealot]

judge hutcherson

[warm gate]

I need itttttt

[opaque zealot]

put judge in fnaf 3 as the night guard

[covert aurora]

Ends of the earth is heart breaking yes.

[chilly thorn]

US seems to care less and less about immigrants every day,

[warm gate]

Yes

[opaque zealot]

the migrants in rust belt are also overlooked because lore wise theyre fleeing mexico bc in rons universe the water wars actually occured with there being a brief conflict with Mexico to control water resources on the southern border mentioned in magazine articles ingame

literally EVERYTHING is going wrong

[chilly thorn]

where did everyone go? Bingo?

[prisma tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[old idol]

that was awkward

why are the mods piling up vro im a little scared

okay so
@glass heart the flash grenade launcher is cheesing right?

[covert aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-s-kennedy-leon-re4-resident-evil4-wheres-everyone-going-gif-21604833

[finite bay]

lol fitting gif

[old idol]

i did use it to s rank relapse where it can be kinda better than the beanbag

the beanbag even though it stuns targets in one shot can have its issues like accidentally headshotting the suspects (AI teammates can fuck this up) and if you miss your shots you're likely gonna die

with teh flash grenade you barely have to aim and it affects more than one enemy

the trade off is less ammo but if you use your shots really well it might as well not be a problem

[chilly thorn]

Pepperball rifle and CS gas launcher are my favorite nonleths :3

[covert aurora]

@chilly thorn does that work?

[chilly thorn]

what does lol

the Pepperball rifle?

[covert aurora]

.

:)

[old idol]

beanbag is better than the pepperball simply cus i dont have to spam left click just to get a suspect to surrender

[chilly thorn]

Oh yes perfect

[marble pagoda]

Is there a way to get the Tactician achievement that isn't "Sit there and let the AI do everything"? Me and a co-op partner are trying to get it.

[chilly thorn]

Less consistent

[covert aurora]

single player only

[marble pagoda]

We just tried to get it tazer only and it didn't pop

[old idol]

VPL however is better at longer engagements even though the shotguns in ready or not have actually decent range

[ember sonnet]

Which caliber is best for cqb, 300 blk or 5.56?