👮ron-discussion

[elder ember]

So you really gotta cherry pick your target. Bomb or Hostage taker

[slate garden]

Playable by gyro support is bad

[young belfry]

So I just got to valley of the dolls today and I already have the Hawaiian shit. I dont know how I pulled this off.

[vast garden]

whats the best way to do idles of the marches? wedge off all doors and work the hallways, then center room and then all rooms?

[young belfry]

I just go in with c2 and cs

[vast garden]

isnt cs really horrible lol

[young belfry]

It's probably one of my most effective tools (I've only had the game for a week tbf)

[vast garden]

they nerfed cs down to the ground iirc

[young belfry]

Damn

But when I don't use CS, I instead go in with a scar-h (mk17), USP-45, flashbangs, 2 tasers, and my team setup is 2 intimidators, 1 negotiator and one paramedic

Oh and I forgot to mention the Shield

[reef anvil]

Bombs have a timer, hostage takers are more immediate due to the fact they and can will screw over runs very quickly when not dealt with

the hostage taker when i'm telling the guy to get on the ground and he pulls on the trigger instead to the hostage's head

[tired jungle]

Shit happens

Personally i don't care what the end score is

I just play missions for the fun of it

Whatever happens... happens

I'm not gonna restart it because a civi decided to run into a line of fire and get domed by a suspect

[deep sentinel]

Went through enough pain watching your favourite character get pancaked I guess

[thin quartz]

I just have no idea how to deal with the loading bay area in greased palms, I'm trying to S rank everything rn and I got to the loading bay then someone from inside the building just hit a spraydown on me

[toxic harness]

bald

[scenic lake]

Yo can someone help me with hide and seek grade s

[surreal pelican]

How am I supposed to take Jack Adams alive if he has a hostage??

Also is it possible that Jack Adams will get killed by Los Locos? Idk but I think it happened to me before

Either that or he killed himself even tho we had him cornered

[surreal pelican]

I always clear the second office floor thingy near the first postal office before entering the main conveyor belt areas

[reef anvil]

the FISA agent?

[surreal pelican]

Then for the open air conveyor belts I just throw flashbangs into every possible area; but hard to do with only the M32A1 flash since I use all my slots for primary on Hard S

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[reef anvil]

Dawg, I don't know either

[reef anvil]

oh this? Shoot the gun

[surreal pelican]

o

[reef anvil]

no I'm not shitting you. I just did this to a hostage taker and it incapped them.

[surreal pelican]

I'll try that for my next lethal hard run, rn I'm just trying to clear everything on Hard S, alreday finished like almost half of base game on Hard S

[thin quartz]

I use beanbag shotty atm and my NPCs have a half half split of M32 Flashes and beanbags (one m32 guy has a trpl with a riot shield tho)

[reef anvil]

mf even pulled the trigger on a hostage but according to the game and my big nuts, it incapped them before the game could register the hostage as being dead

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[surreal pelican]

Give them all M32 flashes, better than the beanbag shotgun

[reef anvil]

if you using JHP or what not. Shoot the hand

[surreal pelican]

Ye I always use JHP

[reef anvil]

forbidden technique, modded RON. 100 Flash Grenades of doom

[surreal pelican]

But nothing is more satisfying than going for the head

[surreal pelican]

Hell nah 😭 wont that affect official scoring?

Actually I'm curious if there's a mod for M32A1 Stinger

[thin quartz]

ngl one of my NPCs tried to shoot a guy behind cover with an M32 but then he just hit the truck I was standing behind 4 times and concussed the shit out of me

[surreal pelican]

It happens

But yea M32A1 flash is the easy way for S rank

Just give yourself and them anti flash + ballistic mask and heavy ceramic for best chances of survival

Especially on hard

[reef anvil]

tf is official scoring

I got the developer watch and I modded my game

[surreal pelican]

Like everytime I see modded gameplays, at the end of the mission I always see the red text: "Mod detected, unofficial score"

[reef anvil]

yeah so that's just flavour text. That doesn't mean SHIT

it still registers as a score anyway lmao

[surreal pelican]

Bruh so I could've modded the game and made life easier for the S rank esp on hard

Wtf

[reef anvil]

[surreal pelican]

Ehh fuck it we ball, vanilla all the way

I fucking hate greased palms now even tho I liked it on standard

[reef anvil]

ain't nothing better than getting S rank with anime women in the party

yeah trust me, greased palms on hard, WITH Relaxed ROE was still a pain

[surreal pelican]

For me relapse and neon tomb was also pain

Coz of the bombs on the person and the large map on relapse

And idk if it was me but I just find them even more trigger happy than the other enemies. Even Hide and Seek was somewhat ok if you could control the warehouse entrance area and get them in control

[reef anvil]

those maps were far easier than greased palms

[surreal pelican]

😭 I'm gonna suffer even more, stuck on Hard S greased palms

[reef anvil]

[surreal pelican]

Idk if the shields are even helping

[onyx swift]

I use a Controller on desktop before the Console release came out, yes it works very well

[sonic kiln]

Anyone else having a glitch where the bullet casings float midair

[reef anvil]

wait, that's weird. Port Hoken usually has women with torn blankets in the auction area

None showed up in my game??

I don't think my mods alter that as well

[torpid onyx]

yes been it's a persistent issue since the most recent patch

[eternal sage]

This might be a stupid question, but is it known what VOID is actually working on for the game right now, other than just bug fixes?

[torpid onyx]

the next DLC is expected some time in 2026

as stated by the previous community manager

[amber fable]

Better be good. More fisa gear would be cool. More helmets as well

[pliant frost]

More everything

Customization is poor as fuck

No masks/balaclavas in vanilla is crazy

[toxic harness]

Join Echo, you'll get it

[pliant frost]

What you mean

[stone bay]

If you can’t equip it there’s a way to be able to

Apparently it’s a bug rn

[sour raven]

is there a new one yet ?

[torpid onyx]

no

[torpid onyx]

there is 3 character models you can choose in multiplayer called "name" (echo) and they have balaclava's but theyre not accessable in single player as you have to play as judge

[sour raven]

ok that's sad

[torpid onyx]

it's been like 6 weeks and we've have no news about a new cm

[solid bramble]

Anyone here wanna help me out with the sleeper agent trophy?

[spark pecan]

What's happening with the update for this game? Have void just abandoned patching it?

[unborn echo]

cu chulain? the guy from fate?

[bronze crypt]

can somebody help me with running steamcmd

i downloaded an older RoN version (adam update) but everytime i open it it opens the current version

[solid bramble]

No cú chullain from irish folklore

[sour raven]

kind'of the same as having Kaminski

given how detested and "bad" he was

exept we had "promises" by him

[bronze crypt]

Is there a mod that adds throat shots back? Like the animation playing out?

[unborn echo]

hm? it was never removed

[bronze crypt]

It wasn’t? I could swear I haven’t seen it play out once

[languid creek]

I feel like it’s rare but there’s definitely been a few times the homie and I will pause and watch a fella do the animation it’s never any less horrific

[bronze crypt]

Ah, I see

[bronze crypt]

What about this? Can someone help me with this?

[quasi coral]

Weird right??

[unborn echo]

ig LSPD wants their officers to be seen by the criminals

[hidden finch]

Isn't, Isn't that the point of police?

[dreamy glacier]

Advocating for bala

[hidden finch]

They are not military

[bronze crypt]

Wellllllll

[tulip valve]

Swat compared to police

Swat are generally supposed to cover their face, while police dont have a need to do so

[unborn echo]

it is, but do you know who else is gonna be in danger when the criminals have seen their faces?

[tulip valve]

Protection from elements, identity concealment, etc

[hidden finch]

Covering tyour face isn't quite the same as "not wanting to be seen", to me that would indicate being stealth.

[vagrant moat]

Swat are still police, but Swat are just a higher level of police

[hidden finch]

I mean, also protection

[vagrant moat]

And more trained

[hidden finch]

Swat officers are often normal police officer day to day.

[unborn echo]

why would stealth even be in this conversation

[hidden finch]

they just have special training for more heavy situations

[hidden finch]

ig LSPD wants their officers to be seen by the criminals

IDK, seemed like that was what was implied here.

[unborn echo]

to be seen is to be recognised, maybe i could have worded it more appropriately, but in the context, i still see no correlation to being stealthy

[quasi coral]

Yes the city that's been through 2 terrorist attacks, has active gang activity around the blocks and a highly active trafficking organization is gonna have police officers showing their faces in broad daylight

Which, honestly should give the officers enough reason to wear balaclavas

[quasi coral]

I MEAN HE'S RIGHT HERE WITH A BALACLAVA ^^

[pliant frost]

LAPD actually wears masks on most of the operations

To cover their personality

So LSPD in the game should also have this option

[quasi coral]

^^ exactly

[dreamy glacier]

I wish we had a snow map

[pliant frost]

Fr

[quasi coral]

Next update if we don't get balaclavas with, by the very least a tan option I'll blow up

[unborn echo]

pls dont blow up

[quasi coral]

Genuinely shouldn't be a problem, if you have Echo equipped in multi he'll actually show us as Judge in the loading screen for missions

[lone cloud]

they are already in game you just can only equip them through certain characters

[quasi coral]

Exactly, and certain characters are only in Multiplayer

[lone cloud]

which is kind of lame but better than nothing

[pliant frost]

Exactly, so why void won't add it to single

[quasi coral]

Exactly bru

[dreamy glacier]

Huh ? I think that they still show up as the character, no Judge

[unborn echo]

what if judge wanted to flex on the criminals so he decided not to have any

[dreamy glacier]

"Say my name, Amos"

[bronze crypt]

can someone help me install an older version of ron?

[bronze crypt]

i dont get it

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[bronze crypt]

:/

[toxic harness]

D-Platoon prob wants to be unmasked as since they're pacifists, they wanted to show people that officers are not that violent and wanted to be remembered as heros, in contrast to Echo operators

[pliant frost]

Ok, thanks for a reminder

I forgot bout that fact but still

No masks at all is meh

[toxic harness]

Yeah we should still have an option to wear them

[modern forge]

You can cover your face in RoN BTW

[toxic harness]

Hell I want different types of masks like have a mouth mask with USA flag, Skull mask, and few more

[modern forge]

Having a face mask looks dumb anyways, gotta show that handsome face to the mean people.

[toxic harness]

I look better without showing my face so lemme do it

[modern forge]

You ALREADY CAN

Just pick the masked options under the faces tab

[toxic harness]

WE ARE TALKING IN GENERAL LIKE WHAT IF WE WANT TO DO IT ON SINGLE PLAYER or better...

More masks

[modern forge]

Doesn't work in commander mode because it uses the faces tab which isnt available in commander mode.

Or solo ig

[modern forge]

Use a mandible then ig

[toxic harness]

Mandible?

[modern forge]

Ballistic mask

Ballistic mask+tinted goggles.

[toxic harness]

Boring

[modern forge]

So are facemasks

I rarely see any swat units with face masks on.

[quasi coral]

Sorry, if you go back to the campaign/singleplayer, Echo will replace Judge in the loading screen

[toxic harness]

No facemasks is more interesting

[rotund cypress]

I think it’s better to show a smile

Happiness is contagious, y’know?

[dreamy glacier]

Go tell that to Amos Volls

[rotund cypress]

I shoot him, I smile, and everyone around me becomes happy

See? Contagious

Unfortunately it’s contagious through blood

[dreamy glacier]

Fair enough

[modest hare]

What game is everyone waiting for 2026

[toxic harness]

GTA 6

[tiny sorrel]

Halo CE remake

and gta 6

[modern forge]

No facemasks are best

Peak style

[toxic harness]

So all of us managed to kill about 1 billion people in RoN 💀

But about 427m suspects are arrested

[neon monolith]

I love my new profile picture

[languid creek]

Subnautica 2
GTA 6
Resident evil requiem

[toxic harness]

Cool 👍
Anyway

[modern forge]

Chess 2 is my most anticipated

[neon monolith]

Thanks I appreciate it

[toxic harness]

Me when GTA 6 got delayed again

[languid creek]

Forza horizon 6, and hell let loose Vietnam too

[copper flint]

Reddit

[rotund cypress]

Hopscotch Remastered

[solid bramble]

Ofc you have to make masks sound cringe...

[neon monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-gif-9986191

[toxic harness]

How do you make masks sound country tf?

FUCK I MEANT CRINGE

[solid bramble]

Usa and skull masks... is like peak larp cringe lol

[toxic harness]

Greased Palms has continued to plauge my mental stat

[toxic harness]

I could agree with the skull mask, but I still don't mind with the USA mask

Hell I wanna wear a bandana cuz why not

[solid bramble]

What self respecting police unit would use a usa mask

USA mask is cringe ICE larp

[toxic harness]

Anyone who wants to support the country? I seen officers (not ICE) using those masks

People can be self respecting and still wear the USA mask

[solid bramble]

Not while an active duty police officer

[toxic harness]

Yeah, especially when Califorina became the first state to push a ban on officers wearing masks

But while looking at that, I also see conflicting results on whenever SWATs can wear like some say they can do it during tactical operators, while some say they can't wear it at all

I fucking hate conflicting issues like JUST TELL ME

[solid bramble]

A usa mask would definitely not be something an officer could and more importantly should wear, same with a skull mask, a balaclava is for concealment not for an uncle sam parade

[toxic harness]

But they also look cool so I will wear it whenever I get a chance

lowkey if I get the Adidas version of it, Im all set

Anyway, what type of masks do you wish to be added in the game? @solid bramble

[solid bramble]

Just different colour varieties like a grey, or coyote and even the green, possibly half mask variants would be nice too and maybe a 3 hole balaclava to go with the old gear too could be nice

And if they ever add snow missions a rabbit fur ushanka type thing or a tea cosy would be nice

[toxic harness]

A 3 hole balaclava would help with the CS's Terrorist outfits

[solid bramble]

Can you not send images in this channel?

[toxic harness]

You have to be a Sergeant (aka be hand picked to become one) to post it

I also can't send images despite being a Nitro booster

[solid bramble]

Ah

[solid bramble]

Well basically an ushanka like a marge wears in fargo

[rotund cypress]

I hate how skull balaclavas have become larp

Ghost was so cool in MW2

Shame he got murdered and grilled

[scarlet vale]

So i have a question... has anyone had a suspect bark at them

[solid bramble]

I know on a map there's an area with ambient barks, but I also feel like I may have experienced that once with a suspect or maybe you've just implanted a false memory

[torpid onyx]

one told me to touch grass

also yes Ive heard a suspect bark before

and Amos voll told me I should get on my knees instead

[scarlet vale]

I literally the other night arrested some dude and on call i was like "good boy" and he barked and growled a little😭

I wish i clipped that so badly

[scarlet vale]

Thats actually crazy

[toxic harness]

I had a suspect dropping the n word at me lol

[tough veldt]

ah
was it the suspects in the gas station map?

or wast one of dudes from the clemente hotel or penthouse map?

[torpid onyx]

also here's the clip
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/991559030919135242/1430186887796101192/be705cc2-437c-42da-b072-558d71352a34.mp4?ex=6900c5d5&is=68ff7455&hm=400965bc197601227acc44df087b4be771b6826a33d8022c46e2789d585cca9e&

[scarlet vale]

Nah in 23 megabytes a second

[tough veldt]

👀

[hot garnet]

I am pretty new to ron, what are the mods that can make my gameplay better and easier? I already have my gun and attachment mods

[marsh lark]

Gunfighter mod and AI tweaks such as no crack for AI

[hot garnet]

Gunfighter?

[marsh lark]

Yes

[void jasper]

🤦‍♂️

[void jasper]

There’s probably mods for online chess

Why not just play the game the regular way? Is it really that bad?

I’m not talking trash at all
I’m someone whose played plenty of modded games, like arma for instance

Ready or not is a difficult game because that is part of the appeal
If it was easy, or some sort of power trip fps, it would be more like other games and less unique

[latent crescent]

gunfighter doesnt make the game easier though

[void jasper]

I think void knows what I mean, they know they got a good thing going

Just play with the slots ur given tho, right? @latent crescent

[latent crescent]

yes ofc

25 slots is only useful for modded ai like strategoai

but even then i cba installing that lmao

i keep recoil and slots vanilla

[void jasper]

nah..that’s what I mean

Limits are part of the fun

[latent crescent]

but being able to walk like an actual swat officer and shortstacking my weapon makes the guns 100x better

seems small but it has a pretty big impact

[void jasper]

Until next update tho right?

[latent crescent]

more immersive n what

[latent crescent]

yeah until next update 😭

[void jasper]

I disagree about the immersion, the default game and its difficulty more immersive for me w/o mods

I had the same convo with someone about arma recently lol

But honestly I will say game is game and whatever plays fun is good

[latent crescent]

vanilla is difficult, and kinda immersive

mods are a game changer though

visceral blood, boom's bloody ballistics, uncensored or not

better flashlights, the tappy mod

the attatchments mod which i cant get working

[marsh lark]

Both is good.

[void jasper]

That’s my gripe, I guess
Getting mods working consistently

[latent crescent]

yeah

vanilla is great, but mods help it give that final push

[tall gate]

Next RON update when?

[void jasper]

That’s the million dollar question

[tall gate]

Vexes me something vicious

[void jasper]

I’m sure there will be a Christmas update…

[tall gate]

Sure whatever,

[void jasper]

lol

“That’s what they all say”

I’ll bet void interactive tells all its players it’ll call us back…
Next week…

It’ll lmk … smh

[tall gate]

Past caring at this point, the only news I favor from void is a studio closure

[void jasper]

You don’t mean that

Late at night when ur hammered drunk you’ll call void interactive and say yeh it’s cool whatevs

🙂

Believe me…

I know

You’ll tell em that’s it’s cool, they can update whatever whenever, it’s cool,
and if she wants mods that’s…
ok I guess…
As long as they’re not malware

[marsh lark]

A lot of people have negative opinions and a lot of people have positive opinions. Though the ones with positive opinions ahrdly talk here and just enjoy themselves without engaging in any drama

[void jasper]

I’m just a guy on a couch with a ps5
My opinion matters

[tall gate]

Apologies sir but we don't seem to see thing the same way and I must do what has to be done to agree to disagree

[void jasper]

I agree

[vocal sphinx]

why do you atomatically die on 'Elephant' if you kill a civ? Is it the obvious to prevent players acting as shooters?

[brave lance]

I don’t think so because when you shoot civs in general your team is authorized to use force against you but that would make sense

[void jasper]

Yeh if you do that then the team has an order to kill you

[brave lance]

Kinda funny

[void jasper]

But elephant ain’t as hard as it seems

Run through it

[brave lance]

Elephant can take a few tries but once you remember the layout it’s pretty smooth

[void jasper]

👍🏼😎

[vocal sphinx]

i wasnt struggling with it, just replaying and a civ scared me lol

[void jasper]

Damn civvies always getting in the way

[young belfry]

It's easy until it comes time to find the bomb, then it's stressful

[vocal sphinx]

im bored of the maps though ive S+ all vanilla maps cuz i have no DLCs

[charred birch]

So I was replaying Ends of the earth for funsies ; emptied a WHOLE beanbag mag on one of the sons yet he wouldn’t surrender, ran out of ammo, died. Genuinely go fuck yourself VOID 🫩💔

[young belfry]

This is specifically because elephant has so many fucken spawn points for the bomb that you kinda have to check everywhere

[brave lance]

I have a question for all how do we feel about making the supporter only FISA HRT an unlockable personally as I’m console and didn’t get a chance to even think about buying it I feel it should be unlockable I feel it should’ve been in the deluxe edition of the game but I’d like to see some other opinions

[young belfry]

At least with the hospital mission, the bombs are only in 2 concrete places, making it a touch less stressful

[void jasper]

Personally, I like the map level
but honestly I’m not a big fan of any time-limit type of maps

[young belfry]

Yeah, but I hate elephant because 3 of my 4 best guys died there, and I'm still heartbroken

Ik they aren't real people, but THEY WERE REAL TO ME DAMMIT!

[void jasper]

lol

[vocal sphinx]

is the hospital mission DLC? i cant find it anywhere on my game

[void jasper]

I know the pain

[young belfry]

No, it's after carriers of the vine iirc

[brave lance]

It’s second to last called Relapse

[charred birch]

It’s one of the last missions of the game, second to last more precisely

[void jasper]

Ahhh

[young belfry]

Rip officer Chen you were my favorite intimidator

[void jasper]

Relapse

[vocal sphinx]

let me check now i might just be being dumb

[young belfry]

WAIT I'M ALMOST DONE THE BASE GAME AND I'VE ONLY HAD IT FOR A WEEK?!

Damn

[brave lance]

Elite gammer here

[young belfry]

?

[vocal sphinx]

mine stops at neon tomb in quick play do i just have to complete that to get the rest?

[brave lance]

Can’t spell for shit

[vocal sphinx]

i think he means 'elite gamer' lol

[young belfry]

Oh, no, no, I just can't put the game down because I'm having too much fun

[vocal sphinx]

just wait until you download mods..

[young belfry]

I'm on Xbox, I can't do mods

[brave lance]

O had 60 hours the first week it came out on console

[vocal sphinx]

ah rip

[young belfry]

Nice, I got it as a birthday gift from a friend

[brave lance]

Nice

[young belfry]

I'd have to check my playtime in the Xbox app

[latent crescent]

play different game problem solved

[young belfry]

I have 10 hours total

[latent crescent]

also how are u S+ing maps

[vocal sphinx]

S rank i mean oops

[latent crescent]

S rank ez

[vocal sphinx]

yeah but boring ngl

[latent crescent]

just use the 6 round grenade launcher

[young belfry]

Idk how but I s ranked Valley of the dolls relatively easily

[latent crescent]

they immediately surrender even on hard mode

and the rounds go through windows

[brave lance]

On ironman on hard?

[latent crescent]

no ofc not

[young belfry]

Ooh shit I guess that's what I'm bringing in for all my missions from here on

[vocal sphinx]

ironman s rank had me struggling to complete 23mb per second lmao

[latent crescent]

"oh is S rank easy even if ur getting aimbotted by 69 guys with no deaths?"

[latent crescent]

if ur on pc yeah

[young belfry]

This is why I hate relapse

[latent crescent]

the primary grenade launcher, not the long tactical

[young belfry]

Damn it.

[latent crescent]

i managed to S rank relapse fairly easy with one other person

one had shield other had GL

piss easy

took 20 minutes

[tired jungle]

I'm too lazy to remove mods so if i go run a mission on commander there's like double the suspects and they're also a lot harder to beat

[latent crescent]

why double the suspects tho

theres enough suspects to shoot in general

[young belfry]

I play with npc teammates because none of my homies can hop on when I can

[tired jungle]

Eh, with 4 people not really

[latent crescent]

makes sense then

[young belfry]

Also I accidentally kill civilians whenever they reach for their phone because of instinctual panic fire

[latent crescent]

i just use strategoai, it has vanilla + additional difficulties

[vocal sphinx]

mod name?

o nevermind

[tired jungle]

I don't remember off the top of my head

I have like 20 mods installed rn

[brave lance]

What’s the best voice pack for RoN just wondering?

[tired jungle]

Femboy toc obviously

[vocal sphinx]

link? asking for a friend...

[tired jungle]

Should be pretty easy to find on nexus

[young belfry]

Ngl idk what I was expecting but this wasn't it

[void jasper]

Ides of march+hard difficulty + lethal + c2 + door wedges = fun

[vocal sphinx]

which DLC is better to buy?

dont really care about lore - but i mean cooler equipment and fun mission?

im thinking home invasion

[void jasper]

I was about to say dark waters

Leviathan has a lot of replay value

[scarlet vale]

I bought dark waters and thought it was pretty fun

[vocal sphinx]

more tactical maps or big firefights?

[void jasper]

The yacht level is pretty cool too

[void jasper]

Aren’t all the maps tactical?

[onyx swift]

I feel like Home Invasion has more of the big firefights

[sonic kiln]

Is there a patch coming out soon or anything like that

[vocal sphinx]

yeah but i mean like more slow paced

[young belfry]

I feel like smaller maps are better for the slower paced playstyle

Big maps are honestly really fun for action rich gameplay

The only drawback is that you can never find the last guy and it's fucking annoying

[brave lance]

Literally me on relapse and hide and seek

[young belfry]

Me on the post office

[brave lance]

Fuck the post office

[young belfry]

Real

[brave lance]

Should I go for the ruined dev watch?

[snow folio]

Dammit game not on sale for Halloween steam sale

[charred ginkgo]

New DLC in 2 days!

[marsh lark]

sure sure

[brisk scaffold]

Ron gets 2 updates a year boys new here ?

[void jasper]

Didn’t tik tok say the rapture was gonna happen a few weeks ago?

But yeh I’ll be on the lookout for that dlc
Comin Wednesday

[latent crescent]

wtf ur mod now?

what the hell did i miss

[marsh lark]

Nothing much :D

[vocal sphinx]

does this mean all my mods i have to reinstall?

[upbeat shore]

https://tenor.com/view/he-lied-lied-liar-lying-lie-gif-16187776

[bronze crypt]

I had made a video of an old RoN version and posted it to clips and media but then I realised it’s just boring

Nobody would want to watch it

So I think I’ll supply screenshots instead

[reef anvil]

Everyone be posting cool rad screenshots. My goofy ahh posting anime girls

[void palm]

This game only for hard men only not for soft ones

[upbeat shore]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-back-laugh-contain-laughter-try-not-to-laugh-gif-14573032070357011316

[void palm]

😂 BRO LET ME COOK BRO......

Stop hiding like sneaky rat...... You'r offline

[upbeat shore]

-# Always in the shadooooooooooows

[void palm]

but always get caught by the bots

nothing last to the end 🙂👍

[upbeat shore]

I just had to laugh, man
I read that "for hard men only" line in like 10 different deep hollywood actor voices

[void palm]

I was in one of the roles and you ruined it.....

you have no idea how my face were look like while I'm typing those words.....

[upbeat shore]

Oh i know:

[void palm]

Not that face...

If I only can put GiF without link...

WOW I put GIF and it got removed

Make these for everyone

✅ Embed Links
✅Attach Files
✅Add Reactions

To be honest its kind annoying and unfair only mods can to do it and members not

[bronze crypt]

https://youtu.be/c5_kOsqkFec?si=9pNyCYsMdRMzm8DW

What version is this? You used to be able to run

[void palm]

I believe its mod.. I never saw running mechanic in this game

[bronze crypt]

I don’t think so

I know for a fact you could sprint, but that was very very early

The animation is the same one used for the initial builds with PVP it would appear

And in the 2023 and prior versions even walking was very fast (I have a video on my channel showing that and eventually I will add more old versions to it)

[void palm]

Ok easy with writing....

I look it up on internet and sprinting is still in game but it bind to a weird key

[upbeat shore]

I just recommend this one:

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/6164

[void palm]

Lame 😒

[upbeat shore]

Its literally running fast with a proper animation.

[void palm]

I'm not making jokes about the mod. I'm talking to devs

[marsh lark]

Were you ever apart of a big community where everyone had this? It was a spam fest that was uncontrollable

[chilly thorn]

why would you want sprinting in this game lol

[bronze crypt]

you can't

you have low-ready

[void palm]

I'm part Discord community using alternative account

[bronze crypt]

crazy ragebait <3

[chilly thorn]

tf you mean lol this game would literally be ruined if they added sprinting it would be too easy

[marsh lark]

Sprinting may be used but at the end of the day, the game is supposed to be slow paced for the most part

[upbeat shore]

Cause after +1000 hours i know where i can sprint easily to just buy time.
AND, more importantly:
Having options isnt a bad idea.
You CAN, you dont HAVE TO.

[bronze crypt]

but yeah, before you had a dedicated sprinting animation so it wasnt just faster walking

[void palm]

The chat in here started pop-up like popcorn

[bronze crypt]

thats true but its not about enforcing something, its just about offering the option

[chilly thorn]

Sprinting was cut for a reason because it didn't work with the "Slow methodical Gameplay" that the game is going for.

[bronze crypt]

this game isnt meant to be played in x or y or z fashion, its meant to offer you options

[marsh lark]

I know

[chilly thorn]

Infact it would be really annoying waiting for your swat ai to catch up to you

[rustic lotus]

Hey is my message getting deleted in screenshots and art?

[upbeat shore]

Yeah, i once said that to people as well....

[bronze crypt]

being a purist wont get you far

[chilly thorn]

?

[bronze crypt]

add it or offer the option for it to be added (via mod implementation) and let people choose how they like to play it

[chilly thorn]

It wouldn't fucking work in the game the maps are balanced around not being able to sprint, if you get caught in fire without cover you just die.

[bronze crypt]

i did not know you were john ready or not with telepathic connection to the gods to know precisely how the game was meant to be played haha

[chilly thorn]

its meant to be like swat 4 lol thats pretty obvious dude

[bronze crypt]

again, sometimes you just have to offer options, it doesnt mean you have to play it in that manner, just leave people to play it like the want

there isnt really a wrong way to play it

[upbeat shore]

Look, i get it.
I know its a "slow paced tactical" game.
And i also know when its not. For the "not" parts, having it as an option, isnt bad.
Theres too many key elements missing, for me to keep up holding the "but its a slow tactical game".

[bronze crypt]

its all about having fun at the end of the day

[upbeat shore]

-# Wrong reply, my bad.

[bronze crypt]

dw happens

i agree

[chilly thorn]

what map would you sight as not being slow, sorry for acting a lil rude to yall btw lol.

[bronze crypt]

school shooter

in real life you are running towards the sound of the gunfire

you arent approaching each element methodically as you would traditionally do in elephant

[void palm]

But in the end.... game is😘👌

[chilly thorn]

If you could sprint on the school map you could sprint around the map and instantly eliminate all the shooters easily

[bronze crypt]

so sprinting in that scenario is very much realistic and, if anything, more realistic if we are to approach it in this very simplistic way of thinking

[void palm]

😦

[bronze crypt]

mate, this is what LEO does, literally...?

umm

[upbeat shore]

• Lasers dont mean anything.
• Noise dont mean anything.
• Flashlight dont mean anything.
• Visible spots that shouldnt be visible.
• Hostile AI just "standing around, waiting for action".

All that, for me, is not viable to get the "slow tactical shooter" approval stamp.

[chilly thorn]

yeah but that would ruin the tension in the game since the map would be easily

[bronze crypt]

so then its not about realism

or being slow to improve immersion

its just slow for the sake of being slow

[chilly thorn]

Its slow for the sake of gameplay and tension

[bronze crypt]

the switch illum mod is really good i will say

[desert island]

flashlights are visible to enemies

[bronze crypt]

well, whatever floats your boat ;3, its nice that we can both play it our way, right?

[desert island]

hostile AI do have roaming and searching on hard

[bronze crypt]

i think on standard also, no?

or i may be wrong

[chilly thorn]

Suspects can see and react to flashlights, Suspects can see and react to lasers unless its an IR laser, Suspects react to noise (such as kicking a door and they start shooting at the door) AI are constantly moving lol, and I don't really know what visible spots that shouldn't be visible mean.

[desert island]

well it applies the roaming and searching from elite suspects to all maps on hard

[void palm]

Calm down... if the game so bad...... switch to the other game

OR

Use mod for running

[desert island]

visible spots as in they can see thru opaque surfaces i guess

[bronze crypt]

;)

i think this game can be whatever it wants to be

[desert island]

which isnt really how it works but its effectively the same
they can hear players thru walls so they will just start shooting u thru the wall without making visual confirmation

[bronze crypt]

i hope it reaches a point just like arma where you can truly customize your experience

[desert island]

also they dont see lasers

[bronze crypt]

IR or VIS

[chilly thorn]

They did last I checked

[bronze crypt]

VIS they can im pretty sure

[chilly thorn]

I put a laser through a hallway and the dude went "OH SHIT" and flanked through the other side.

[upbeat shore]

I give you ONE WEEK to prove all your points from today. One whole week.
Put it in #🎬ron-clips-and-media
I will think about a reward.

[chilly thorn]

did it in the same way again without it and they didn't react

[desert island]

is that new

[chilly thorn]

I believe it was added in LSS

[chilly thorn]

Ok challenge accepted lol

[bronze crypt]

50 gazillion dollars on the line people

[void palm]

yeah where soldiers wearing ears cat in battle

[upbeat shore]

Fantastic. I will counter record clips.

[chilly thorn]

but can you explain further what Visible when not should be visible means please?

[bronze crypt]

betting on RoN features is crazy lmao

ok can we please phrase sentences in a manner that is comprehensible though

[next gust]

What do yall main

[upbeat shore]

Loopholes between textures such as doors and in some instances walls.

[bronze crypt]

in terms of what

[chilly thorn]

do you mean a suspect seeing you through a door?

[next gust]

Loadout

[chilly thorn]

SMG main, UMP45 ❤️

[next gust]

I personally use beanbag shotgun and really any high-penetration pistol

[upbeat shore]

Not THROUGH the door. Through the small gaps that arent properly fixed in map making.

[bronze crypt]

hmm, usually modded weapons, but it depends, if you want S-rank you should take an M32 launcher with an M320 tactical and tasers

otherwise lethal i'd take a rifle, but shotguns are fun

[reef anvil]

Was it visible or IR

[chilly thorn]

I mean... doors have gaps in real life, when somebodys behind a door its pretty easy to tell, but it sorta depends on the door.

[bronze crypt]

my most used gun is a Spear LT mod, its really fun

[reef anvil]

If it's IR, i'm boring this guy's eyes out with it

[void palm]

Enemies can see your shadow under the door and then open fire while door is closed

[chilly thorn]

Visible

I never used IR because I didn't think they could see it in general lol

[upbeat shore]

Not talking about the space between door and floor

[bronze crypt]

the thing is doors dont have gaps this big, its why optiwands dont work irl

[upbeat shore]

You'll see soon.

[void palm]

I think you need to do video about the details

[bronze crypt]

maybe in specific scenarios and optimal lighting condition possibly

[upbeat shore]

Oh yeah i will

[chilly thorn]

Theres certain optiwand works with a moving camera that basically just peek through the slit between the floor, they don't actually go through the door.

[reef anvil]

I just want more tactical breaching, more equipment, less bullshit AI doming me through 5 things. actual proprr stealth
Enemies being genuinely affected by C2 and not walking it off. It's still an explosive being fired inward into the room.

[void palm]

W

[bronze crypt]

find me a door in your house where that would work, even in the manner described by you

[upbeat shore]

Anyone around who started playing RoN in 2021?

[bronze crypt]

me

[reef anvil]

The amount of times I did C2 and watch as the AI just tank the discombobulation

[chilly thorn]

I mean I don't have an optiwand lol so how am I supposed to check, most modern optiwands are like a wire

[bronze crypt]

look at the door

with your eyes

[chilly thorn]

I mean I could easily fit my phone through there

[upbeat shore]

You know what we went through then

[chilly thorn]

so I would say yeah it would work

[bronze crypt]

??????? wtf lmao

[chilly thorn]

I started in 2022

[bronze crypt]

fix your doors lmao that shit is not normal

[upbeat shore]

You can shove your phone under your door?
Your doors are shit xD

[void palm]

me but not after the launch...

I was on patrol

[bronze crypt]

only thing i remember is the ai pushing you instantly on twisted nerve and killing you in two hits while your ai does absolutely nothing

i uploated footage literally today of the dec 18 build from 2021

[upbeat shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934498235286974565/1381477231972585532/Suspect_moment.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/601593643152834570/930056708645077002/1640830295_1640168156.850749.gif

[bronze crypt]

yup

[chilly thorn]

the old taser effects lol

gta ass taser

[desert island]

welp im testing the laser and they dont see it i have to test more i guess

[upbeat shore]

Pikachu THUNDER

[reef anvil]

Enemy AI being able to hear you and then dome you defeats the entire purpose of stealth

[void palm]

The guy think himself he is batman

[bronze crypt]

i played a bunch of old ron today, the ai was absolute garbage

[reef anvil]

I want to go hard and fast.
All I got is them knowing i'm outside before I even walked a step

[bronze crypt]

genuinely

i dont know how i used to play 4 years ago

[upbeat shore]

I just love how he dances through SWAT like he just finished his ballarina class xD

[reef anvil]

I literally got headshotted not even 5 seconds into valley of the dolls

[chilly thorn]

I coulda sworn... try hardmode? I might be wrong on that one actually because it only happened once because when it happened I was just like "Oh I should stop doing that" yknow

[void palm]

I know 🤣

[reef anvil]

Also the devs need to fix their UI. For some reason if you're not wearing a face mask or a gas mask, the game thinks you're not wearing a helmet when you are

[bronze crypt]

i can share screen 5 seconds of my experience in a random vc for the quintessential peek into old ron

[reef anvil]

So it doesnt highlight the helmet

[upbeat shore]

Personally, i would welcome it to put on and take off masks at any time when necessary. Not walk around with it for the whole mission.

With a nice first-person animation and all.

But the helmet situation i guess.

[reef anvil]

Ii just want the UI to light up with the helmet

[bronze crypt]

i will say the mandible is pretty comfortable and thus there isnt much of a need for that

i dont remember but i feel like it restricts your vision with an UI similar to that of the gas mask which is quite unrealistic though

[void palm]

I just like how we started talking about sprinting in game and now we started speaking about everything

pulling problems from game like hair by hair

[upbeat shore]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

Welcome to RoNcord

Its like every community of anything: The greatest criticism comes from the fans ^^

[void palm]

I guess I'm in "ron place" 🥁

Edit: I hate my life 🤣

[bronze crypt]

i think their biggest problem is removing content that could have imo stayed in the game

but as much as i complain about the game, i still play it, i have all dlcs etc. and i want to see how it evolves

[desert island]

hard mode they just detect u for no reason so its harder to test

[upbeat shore]

That for sure

[bronze crypt]

while i am not a optimist i can see that the game has a certain level of potential and i really want to see the direction in which this goes

i played in 2021, left, 2022, left, 2023, left. etc

even before but very very briefly

[upbeat shore]

As much as RoN does things bad, it still kicks the competition in the balls. Rightfully so.

[bronze crypt]

when they didnt have it on steam

thats why i was so uninformed a couple of days ago when i joined the server, its because i have left so often that every time i come back things are overhauled

well not much since 23 but you get the point

[bronze crypt]

in terms of CQB at least, 100%

[desert island]

after a half ass attempt i managed to sneak up on a suspect toggle my laser on and off infront of them and move it around and they didnt react

then i swapped to my pistol and turned on my flashlight and they said they are here

[bronze crypt]

i feel like reforger is slowly getting there but for now ready or not is number 1

[chilly thorn]

my main complaint with RoN is how suspects are animated, they move so fake looking.

[bronze crypt]

ground branch is boring

[bronze crypt]

guess what

[desert island]

suspect detection is the problem

they dont need visual confirmation to see u
they rely on echolocation

[bronze crypt]

they used to have cybernetics AI or whatever the fuck it was called with a lot of motion captured anims but it was scrapped

[void palm]

About the censored ...... The new update

did you liked it?

Be honest

[upbeat shore]

Ties in to MY personal main problem:
Every map is a well designed shoot house, but not an actual scenario.

[bronze crypt]

for suspects/civvies and swat ai alike which made their entries look smoother but eh, it is what it is

[chilly thorn]

Suspect detection is fine, They can hear like humans people gotta remember its pretty easy to tell where someone is through footsteps especially in a place where your familiar

[bronze crypt]

so much content was cut/scrapped that its genuinely hard to keep track of

please void add everything back

[chilly thorn]

Swat AI are animated super well but suspects still use the old animation system, I know what animation your talking about, I don't know why it was never implemented lol

[upbeat shore]

Personally, i just dont care tbh.
It wasnt really major and 1 minute of downloading a mod reverses it.
So for ME: No big deal.

[chilly thorn]

What do you mean?

I couldn't say a map like Narcos is designed like a shoothouse for example

[desert island]

its more like a fatal funnel designed for suspect advantage

[bronze crypt]

all it takes is someone to extract the anims from these forgotten versions (need supporter access for those that dont have it) and find a way to put it in current versions and boom there you have it (easier said than done, apologies if i oversimplify this)

[desert island]

like lots of rooms where im like yeah no self respectin person would go here

[bronze crypt]

if we are to be semantic that is the definition of CQB for the most part haha

[chilly thorn]

The animations were never implemented.

[desert island]

the way maps are designed they always put the worst entrances at the start to punish lazy people

which i guess is ok

[bronze crypt]

there are versions with them

i know what i am talking about

now, how you find them? no idea

[void palm]

Since you mentioned the uncensored mod, I will stay shut

Anyways great speaking with you guys I need to go

[chilly thorn]

I have never once seen gameplay of any version of the game with that animation system only the one we've always had

[bronze crypt]

there is a weird version that only has a main menu and a department map iirc from 2020, and that is all it is

[chilly thorn]

I don't believe there is a Playable build with that animation system

at least not one released to the public

[bronze crypt]

not released to public, yes, but it exists somewhere

because i had seen not one but two or 3 separate videos of it

i wish i had access to them

[desert island]

hardmode is unfun and standard mode is too easy

[bronze crypt]

i want to archive everything and make these things more accessible

[upbeat shore]

Lets take the Meth House level for example.

It would be cool, if you'd feel like they actually try to defend the property. Cause they already know, cops are there.
With barricading in rooms, making it hard to get through.

Meanwhile, you go to a room: Pew, dude down.
Next room: Pew, dude down.
Next room: Oh damn, drugs, bag it.
Next room: Oh a civilian, cuffs on.
And so on.

[bronze crypt]

as i said it would be impossible to keep track of everything that was lost/cut etc.

and that is, imo, a shame

[desert island]

how would they even program AI to defend a spot other than act like turrets on legs which is what they already are

[chilly thorn]

That doesn't sound very fun man lol

[desert island]

like if the suspects were actually proactive they would just all just camp the door they know ur coming from

which is wat they already do on hard mode

[upbeat shore]

THATS something, developers have to figure out.
I am just a player. With ideas and wishes ^^

[bronze crypt]

can someone help me identify the build though?

[desert island]

thats just wat they already do tho

[chilly thorn]

Hard mode suspect do not camp at all for me lol

they are constantly running around the map and never stay still

[desert island]

if they take enough stress from detecting sounds they start staring at locations where sounds are originating from

AKA just tracking u thru the wall until u open the door

[elfin raven]

calling every map a good shoot house is so accurate

[upbeat shore]

Nah man, hard mode is just regular mode with different numbers.
It doesnt change core mechanics and behavior of AI.

[elfin raven]

some of the map layouts feel so artificial i dont really know how to explain it

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but those numbers change the core mechanics of the AI, thats why AI mods feel so different than base game.

[tough veldt]

I thought barricaded suspects used to be a game mode until it got integrated in certain maps

[desert island]

meh when im on port hokan i can definitely feel like wow this container is purposefully put here to prevent me from being shot from this angle when reaching this other container

[chilly thorn]

Barricaded Suspects was basically just Raid but with smaller maps and less suspects and stricter ROE

[upbeat shore]

I give massive props to Voids level designers tho.
Each level is very well made and full of stuff so it feels like a proper place to go through.

[chilly thorn]

Certain maps do feel like they aren't designed like real places but most feel pretty real to me

[desert island]

post office was purposefully designed to make u go wow the suspects have all the advantages why are we doing this

[elfin raven]

yeah the levels are beautifully designed though

[chilly thorn]

especially a map like Stolen Valor it legit feels like breaking into someones house lol

[upbeat shore]

Sure, they went a bit bonkers with Dark Waters scenario picks, but even those maps are beautiful and well crafted ^^

[elfin raven]

yep

[chilly thorn]

Post offices main issue was only being designed with realism in mind instead of gameplay lol

[desert island]

post office makes me go we should just close off the area, cut the power, and then just starve them until they surrender

[chilly thorn]

If post office was a night map it would of worked

But hey 1 Exceptionly Bad Map out of like what 24, Not a bad wrap especially compared to swat 4 lol

[desert island]

well thats alot of maps

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 had like at least 5 maps that were absolute dog shit

[desert island]

no shot they wuld ever do hostage rescue on an oil rig

[chilly thorn]

Swat 3 Had a mission that was disarming a literal nuke from blowing up the entirety of america, I don't think and oil rig is that crazy

[upbeat shore]

Really? xD

[chilly thorn]

Yeah and people say ready or not having a Oil Rig map is too far lol

[tough veldt]

I was like "why is an underfunded swat team of 5 doing a raid on an entire oil rig? This is some spec ops shit"

[upbeat shore]

I love the oil rig

[tough veldt]

Im supriser
Ron does not have a bank heist scenario

[desert island]

cuz they wuld rather just negotiate with the terrorists

[tough veldt]

Considering how swat was founded irl

[elfin raven]

honestly it feels werid getting that now

stopping terrorists from blowing up a hospital to boarding an oil rig

to.. stopping a bank robbery

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 didn't have a bank heist either 💔

[tough veldt]

Wild

[upbeat shore]

LSS gave us the other 213 Park Holmes map, that one i really adore.

[chilly thorn]

We have never gotten a bank heist in a 3D swat series game to my knowledge lol

[chilly thorn]

Narcos also takes place in 213 park I believe

[elfin raven]

i feel like a bank heist mission would be boring tbh

[upbeat shore]

[elfin raven]

the layout would be pretty straight forward unless its multi story

[upbeat shore]

Bank would be dope

[chilly thorn]

Its such a good map, but I dislike your swat drip, too modern for my taste lol

[desert island]

really the only time they would do hostage rescue is in progress killing of civilians like night club

[chilly thorn]

The Hostage situation on the boat makes sense

[upbeat shore]

"too modern" is wild, but i get you

[desert island]

so yeah if u treat all the maps as active shooter then it makes sense

[chilly thorn]

Well I wear all 90s gear lol

[desert island]

active shooters in the post office means no time for negotiations

[upbeat shore]

Holy Christina Aguilera, Batman

[chilly thorn]

Man I think I picked the worst map to prove the flashlight lol because theres so many crevices in this map that I can't 100% confirm that it was the flashlight that triggered them off lol

[tough veldt]

Lol Im sporting the shorts and Hawaiian shirt

[desert island]

flashlight triggers them but not laser

[upbeat shore]

I swap gear for like every map anyway

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but he wanted me to prove it with video evidence

I need to get a very clear video of the flashlight doing it

[upbeat shore]

90s blue sure fucks

[chilly thorn]

swat teams dropping blue was a stupid decision

I hate how militaristic modern cops look

[upbeat shore]

THAT

[chilly thorn]

Can we get 1:1 recreation of the swat 4 gear please

[upbeat shore]

Download UE5 from Epic. Mod it.

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[chilly thorn]

I'd have to model the gear myself lol I ain't doing all that

[upbeat shore]

I feel that

[desert island]

real life swat and military wuld prbly get so killed if they had to do ready or not missions

[upbeat shore]

"Sir, but we only have 5 dudes."

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352689692881059940/1427322521325404210/tumblr_552b92bfd0d4bb248a46f93c2d1236bf_846e8ec6_500.gif

"Send em!"

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but I can't fault the game for the 5 limit, the swat team is already super overpowered in this game.

[upbeat shore]

Oh absolutely.

Walking aimbots you abuse as shields

[chilly thorn]

Swat team AI varys from god tier to missing a taser shot at point blank

[upbeat shore]

"Oh you wanna go in that door? Yeah me too. And Roger. And Mike. And Brain too. Sam, you wait outside. The door is already packed."

[glass heart]

they would be rolling up with 10 to 20 times more dudes than we have

[chilly thorn]

still begging for shotgun door traps

[desert island]

swat team ai varies from tapping enemy once on visual detection to pls stop pointing the gun at me my ai doesnt let me fire until u shoot me 5 times

[glass heart]

and also using an absurd amount of force

20 armed gunmen? shit anyone who looks at the element wrong is being ventilated

[desert island]

irl swat usin 20 guys to kill 1 dead gunman

[glass heart]

irl swat dont wanna get shot

thats the main thing that this game's suspects and swat officers lack

bro was silenced 🗿

[desert island]

sir the suspect already self deleted an hour ago

[chilly thorn]

IRL swat would just wait outside with 100 dudes and wait for everyone to surrender

[desert island]

irl swat r the ones who shoot the hostages

[upbeat shore]

Sometimes BPRE drip is the answer too

[glass heart]

well the player takes over after that has failed

yes, the overwhelming majority of real swat calls end with no shots fired

we are there for the exceptions

[chilly thorn]

Im happy that you aren't one of those bums that were skull balaclavas lol

[upbeat shore]

NEVER

FUCKING

EVER

[chilly thorn]

I HATE SEEING THOSE

[desert island]

swat when they enter streamers house vs swat when they have to go to an elementary school

[upbeat shore]

Its a meme memeing itself at this point

[glass heart]

all shooters should get the nashville pd treatment

[chilly thorn]

You should get an achievement for starting a shooting mission and waiting four hours to go inside

[glass heart]

yes even if they give up

especially if they give up

take them out back!!!!

[chilly thorn]

Better for them to suffer in prison then get the easy way out

[glass heart]

in any case they shouldnt get any fame from it

[desert island]

shooters when they remember they dont actually have to fight the police and can just surrender after commiting mass murder

[glass heart]

only suffering, be that in the form of prison, gunshot wounds, or both

or the uhhhh BOPE treatment

[desert island]

u cant shoot me im surrendering

[upbeat shore]

I want full negotiation dialogue options with fallout style NPC talking POV

[glass heart]

this is what i dislike most about the swat ai

what do you MEAN i cant blast the surrendering guy who just shot 3 officers

FUCK THAT i want violence

[desert island]

swat also suck at fake surrender enemies

[glass heart]

and hostage situations

mf will literally full auto through a civ

[desert island]

also stealth

there is no stealth with AI

[glass heart]

is it that hard to make them aim for the head when theres a hostage

why they gotta fucking ventilate them both 😭

[chilly thorn]

Suppressor are only in the game for not killing your ears when firing them

I also think it reduces the ability for suspects to track you with your gunfire

[desert island]

it halves the stress u build for enemies

[glass heart]

it also reduces stress gain per shot fired by 50%

[upbeat shore]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message
Not gonna lie, Azzy. Thats quite a comedic clip for some reason
Like theres 5 dudes behind that door that shit themselves cause of the light xD

[desert island]

so takes twice as long for enemies to be aggro'd

[chilly thorn]

Yeah lol

High end security by the way lol

[upbeat shore]

Hahaha xD

[glass heart]

nah these guys suck 👎

[upbeat shore]

Thats straight up Family Guy comedy xD

[glass heart]

cant even tell real cops from fake cops :clueless:

[chilly thorn]

I feel bad for the Mindjot guys tbh

They all sound so scared

The VA did a good job

[upbeat shore]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-dont-just-dont-stop-gif-23310589

[desert island]

mindjot b like

1 guy is bad and now we gotta kill all of them

[chilly thorn]

It gives that vibe of like a someone who is trained for combat like a solider but wasn't ready to actually get shot at by people

[upbeat shore]

"I thought i'd just hang out there for few hours a week and go home, man"

[chilly thorn]

Why didn't the LSPD just present a warrant, honestly sneaking into the building or breaching in without like yelling over speaker for them to surrender is like maximizing casualities

especially since I believe they had the knowledge that security thought they would be fake

[reef anvil]

I dont get the stress mechakic

[glass heart]

it looks like they did negotiate

the fake cop shit seems like a cover for the fact security knew what was in there

sure, maybe not all of them would be willing to die for it

but if they were implicated it changes things

[chilly thorn]

basically if suspects hit max stress they will either run away, shoot at you, or surrender or worse

[upbeat shore]

S.W.A.T. Spectral Warriors of Assassination and Terror

[glass heart]

more stress= tougher to fight
less stress= easier, more likely to give up

[reef anvil]

So what you're telling me is to go for the fear factor and send it

[glass heart]

its more complex but this is the long and short of it

try not to ice everyone if you want to play that way, it makes the last few suspects a little less stressed

icing everyone is still perfectly valid and fun however

[desert island]

most maps they start off goofing off and lazy but the more sounds they hear the more they start to investigate and prepare

[reef anvil]

I'm actively modding in frag grenades

[desert island]

like they will stand still wit weapon down and surrender when caught off guard

[reef anvil]

Welcome to Falujah fuck boys

[upbeat shore]

Try the drone mod with the freaking missile launcher xD

[desert island]

but when they stressed out theyll shoulder their gun and start staring at u thru the wall

[bronze crypt]

Doesn’t work anymore

[upbeat shore]

DAMNIT

[reef anvil]

Bruh?

[chilly thorn]

Some suspects will kill themselves if they hit max stress

[desert island]

i think some maps they start out stressed

[bronze crypt]

But not in all missions iirc

[reef anvil]

That's a mechanic???

[bronze crypt]

I know on twisted nerve

[upbeat shore]

Oh yeah

Its rare, but it can happen.

[bronze crypt]

And on ends of the earth I think?

[desert island]

i think i saw a suspect try to kill himself but i killed him

[bronze crypt]

Definitely on dorms

[glass heart]

based

[upbeat shore]

You basically saved him from hell

[bronze crypt]

Mod already exists

[reef anvil]

Insert code geas clip "Why are you shooting me for shooting myself!?"

[glass heart]

suspects in this game are probably going there anyway

[chilly thorn]

They can do it on Neon Tomb, Relapse, Valley and Spider (two specific npcs) Dorms, Ends Of The Earth (On Hard Only), and I believe on Three Letter Triad some of the PMCs kill themselves too

[desert island]

im padding my F rank

[glass heart]

doesnt matter, im sending them to god to figure them out

[bronze crypt]

I feel bad for the beach house lads

[upbeat shore]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[reef anvil]

It is peak

[glass heart]

i feel bad for them up until the point they try to kill my officers

[bronze crypt]

We’ve all been there

[glass heart]

then its shoot on sight, deadcheck

[reef anvil]

I'm not here to feel bad, I'm here to pad out the statistics for police shootings

[glass heart]

🔥

[bronze crypt]

I myself have found myself in that situation very often, after all standoffs with LEOs is a common occurrence

[desert island]

i can do relapse hard mode with no grenades

[bronze crypt]

But in all seriousness Los Suenos is to blame

[glass heart]

do hide and seek hard mode pistol only solo no ai

[bronze crypt]

Hellscape

[chilly thorn]

I feel bad for the dorms suspects, It's mainly homeless people who do a little bit of weed and are just trying to find refuge in a building, Apparently the only reason some of them tried to attack cops is because they want to die.

[bronze crypt]

Yeah, they are scared and in dire need of help/shelter

[reef anvil]

Trying to get the achievement for it where you need to arrest all of them in under 5 is ending me

[desert island]

hardmode is funny cuz they r so accurate they cant shoot u if u have ur shield up

[bronze crypt]

The game is ending me

I am envious of Twisted Nerve suspects

[desert island]

make them run out of ammo with shield then tap them with mkv

[chilly thorn]

legs

[reef anvil]

Meladonin is so fucking annoying

[upbeat shore]

Me: "Lets see whats under Tactical on Steam."
Steam: "Heres Apex Legends, bro."

[desert island]

they dont really shoot u in legs

[reef anvil]

How the fuck do you even do meladonin bruh

I need my friends for it

[desert island]

i did all of the hospital solo just using shield to make them reload then i shot them with mkv when they reloading

[bronze crypt]

What’s melatonin

[chilly thorn]

Crouch, they can barely hit you unless they are using big rifles

[bronze crypt]

Meladonin

Oooh the achievement mb

[chilly thorn]

Realistically the shield in game would only be able to stop pistols and shotguns

[reef anvil]

Achieve all main objectives on dorms in under 5 minutes or faster. Standard diff or higher

[bronze crypt]

I forgot it was called that

[desert island]

or the shield should have HP

but right now it blocks infinite damage

[reef anvil]

Fuck it, forbidden technique M32, 100 flash grenades

[desert island]

well the strat is for no grenades

[chilly thorn]

A 5.56 rifle could easily break through the shield in game with how thin it is, especially considering how light it is.

So im honestly suprised it can even hold up on most maps

[desert island]

if u betray swat ur hp get set to 1 so any swat hit kills u

but if u got shield they can shoot forever and never kill u

[chilly thorn]

thats odd lol wonder why

[desert island]

cuz they dont have the spread to hit u in legs

they too accurate

[reef anvil]

Heavy armour feels useless at times

[desert island]

heavy armor is just for side plates i guess

u only need frontplate

[reef anvil]

Even for mods, you can make it full

Still doesnt feel full

[chilly thorn]

Well its the swat team lol

[upbeat shore]

Man.. take a look at "Alpha Response" on Steam ^^

[desert island]

hard mode suspects are more accurate than swat

swat have more durability tho i guess

[chilly thorn]

That ain't true at all they can barely hit shit

[reef anvil]

Hard mode suspects are bullshit. greased palms

[chilly thorn]

I've had proffessional suspect miss an entire AK clip pointblank

[desert island]

video or didnt happen

[reef anvil]

I've been sent to god more times than god allows me to have a per visit

[desert island]

armor pointless cuz u dont really get any durability buff unless u get the rng bleed heal

[chilly thorn]

If you get hit without armor equiped you literally fucking die most the time lol

[desert island]

steel lets bullets hit u in chest so u hav more chances to heal

i was able to do relapse no damage on hard glock only once

it was tedious tho

[chilly thorn]

Relapse ain't that hard for me its just long and boring

[desert island]

i think i did dolls with the no damage with revolver only

[chilly thorn]

A good amount of the suspects have no armor too

[glass heart]

most actually

jhp is cool on that map

[chilly thorn]

Yeah now that I think about it only like the dude with the kanye west mask has armor on

[desert island]

women suspect

[chilly thorn]

Oh yeah her too

[desert island]

sins of father hardest

[chilly thorn]

Sins of the father is fun, my only complaint is that its really small and the suspects have like super high tier armor and like aren't wearing any lol

The vibes of the map is god tier though

[glass heart]

lots of really basic issues with armor models havent been fixed 22 months in

[desert island]

my only complaint is on hardmode they just open all the doors and run at u single file

[glass heart]

how is a guy with clearly only a chest rig having level III plates

[chilly thorn]

At least they fixed the armor on the boat map

I remember dudes in just suits tanking shotgun shells

[desert island]

me when im john wick

[chilly thorn]

God Im trying to prove the suspects reacting to sound by luring them too me with gunshots but the mindjot guys are too smart and they instead all just group up in one area and wait for me to try and come in 💔

[desert island]

just sprint and open doors

well

low ready walk is sprint

[chilly thorn]

I got it nvm

only two of them did it but thats enough

[upbeat shore]

"Noise".
That they react to gunfire is the absolute base of what i expect obv

[glass heart]

the game ought to have an actual sprint, as a limited tool just like any other

elephant especially would benefit from this

[bronze crypt]

@chilly thorn the first video you provided with the light does not count since someone shouts at the suspect as you turn the flashlight on

[chilly thorn]

They react to yelling, kicking doors, and noncrouched footsteps.

[bronze crypt]

I said this too but few agreed

[upbeat shore]

[chilly thorn]

You do realise that is a suspect saying that right?

[bronze crypt]

Same shit, different toilet

[chilly thorn]

what? lol

Suspect sees it suspect tells other suspects? how does that not count

[bronze crypt]

Not a response to your comment

[chilly thorn]

oh sorry

[chilly thorn]

I got a clip of suspect reacting to me kicking a door you want me to just DM you it or something because I got that wait time lol

Infact hes still shooting at the door even though I left lol

[upbeat shore]

We got a whole week

[glass heart]

i wonder when the game detects you acting in bad faith

is it based on the number of violations

[bronze crypt]

I believe so

There is an algorithm based on score possibly?

[glass heart]

because i just full auto mag dumped a suspect with his hands up and didnt even get a use of force penalty

[chilly thorn]

The ROE is a little too lenient right now you can literally shoot someone as they are lowering a gun with no penalty

[glass heart]

he shot at me first

deserved it

[bronze crypt]

It’s not lenient, if anything the ROE in the game is far too strict

[glass heart]

its fine honestly

[bronze crypt]

None of that shit would fly irl

[chilly thorn]

Well the ROE in this game was never realistic its not meant to be

[glass heart]

if anything i want my swat ai to let me go postal because who gives a shit

[chilly thorn]

go and tell me swat 4 ROE is realistic where you literally cant shoot somebody unless they are literally pointing the gun at you

[glass heart]

greased palms has given me enough grief, let me summarily execute anyone who isnt adams

[bronze crypt]

Sometimes it happens, I shot and killed a suspect while he was in the process of surrendering (getting on his knees) and it was fine apparently

[bronze crypt]

I got through it first try, what annoyed me was Port Hokan where I did not take a single suspect

I kept dying while trying to arrest everyone so I said fuck that and I killed everyone

[chilly thorn]

I think I may have just got a suspect to react to laser but it might be just them moving normally

I shined it down a hall and they raised there weapon and ran away

[bronze crypt]

Could be that they detected you

[glass heart]

im doing it in hard

[bronze crypt]

Me too

[glass heart]

im 40 attemps deep on this bullshit

i just cant fucking return fire in this bullshit warehouse

[bronze crypt]

I think I had extraordinary luck on it

[glass heart]

i rarely get more than half of these fuckers dead

[bronze crypt]

But on Port Hokan I almost broke my monitor

[glass heart]

the fact im struggling now cant be a good sign

the swat ai cant be helping

players would be better for this

[chilly thorn]

Port hokan is best when you go really really slow

I don't mind taking my time on the map because its fucking amazing to look at

[bronze crypt]

I went slow, fast, medium, medium rare, well done

Not one suspect on that map survived

Went as far as to dead-check

(Useless but cinematic)

[chilly thorn]

Well there goes your score lol

[bronze crypt]

I did not care

I was fuming haha

[chilly thorn]

what about the cosmetics

[reef anvil]

Who done put traps on dorms

[chilly thorn]

you get some good ones from that map

[reef anvil]

Who the fuck did this

[chilly thorn]

you get a killer tattoo for the S rank

[bronze crypt]

I use cosm unlocker

I am trying to S rank on hard but I jave been busy recently

• I use tattoo mods since I like those better