👮ron-discussion

[lost inlet]

Devs made the gun has most jump and recoil kicks, making it one of the worse option in the game.
Players don't performs well with it.
"Skill issues totally guys. 🤓 just pull the mouse down harder. "

never forgiving the devs for butchering the 416.

[tired jungle]

It's your own choice whether or not you play with it. It's not that fucking difficult tho

[frail pier]

Just mod the recoil if it bothers you that much🤓

[oak beacon]

complaining about recoil in this game is nuts

[pliant frost]

Uhmm... Unrealistic, highest recoil of all 5.56 weapon that is based on Heckler and Koch 416 which is one of the best options on market in terms of recoil? Yeah, skill issue prolly

[tired jungle]

Lmfao

[lost inlet]

imagine resorting to mods to have a more realistic experience in a ultra realistic game.

[tired jungle]

[lost inlet]

oh wait.

[frail pier]

This game has never been ultra realistic, never will be

[pliant frost]

Devs tried to make weapons realistic, but made most of the them way more unrealistic than it would be without this sick recoil lol

[oak beacon]

“Ultra realistic” the concept of your character is MK ultra dude shut that bs up 😂

[tired jungle]

Ultra realistic was thrown out the window years ago

Cope

[oak beacon]

Exactly, use whatever gun you want! It’s all about aim not recoil

[lost inlet]

ultra realistic were never in the game's DNA.

only hardcore.

[tired jungle]

It's not like the gun kicks like the arwc after an arm injury

Skill issue period

[oak beacon]

Agreed

[jolly verge]

Literally, not to mention rifles have 0 horizontal recoil

[humble mauve]

all guns should do this... professional opinion..

[jolly verge]

Just pull the mouse down a bit more

[pliant frost]

Yep, that's why I'm wasting my WHOLE magazine to only "hurt" suspect. And guess what? On a relapse map : )

[frail pier]

Don't have 200cm/360 or a small mousepad

[frail pier]

Bad aim sorry champ

[oak beacon]

They’re insurgents, they’re trained to fight and die. They’re gonna fight to the last breath. And for the whole mag part that’s a skill issue boss man, JHP puts them down easy

[tired jungle]

Using what.. 9mm

[pliant frost]

literally 5.56, AP ...

[jolly verge]

If you on console then it's intended, thanks to aim assist

[oak beacon]

That’s your problem boss

don’t run AP, it’s shit

[pliant frost]

"armor piercing"

[frail pier]

Not just that, still missing horribly

[bronze egret]

i just did all the dark water levels on S rank and didnt get the achivement

[lost inlet]

stop hitting the limbs dawg.

[oak beacon]

JHP, aim for the knees, and stomach. If you’ve got the confidence go for heads

[frail pier]

On a map when most are unarmored kek

[oak beacon]

EXACTLY

[jolly verge]

The problem is that relapse have level 3 armor and 5.56 JHP is the only rifle ammo that can't pen it

[tired jungle]

ap in game is just literally fmj

[frail pier]

Still even with AP just stop missing bro

[lost inlet]

then why do you run AP on a map filled with unarmored? 😭

[pliant frost]

really? they're unarmored?

fuck that

[frail pier]

Most are unarmored

Kek

[oak beacon]

Arms and legs disable/stun long enough to decide on a non lethal or lethal takedown

[jolly verge]

The stagger chance is higher on JHP, but not 100% anyway

[pliant frost]

Okay, then I'm sorry to all of you. The conclusion is that I have a no-skill disease

[tired jungle]

Just kill em it ain't that deep

[frail pier]

Tis okay

[oak beacon]

We figured that out a while boss, but we forgive ya

[frail pier]

Just do better champ

[lost inlet]

2 rounds in their body then move on.

also, don't forget to tie them up.

[oak beacon]

I like technical gameplay, feels more immersive to have to decide then and there if I want to subdue or kill

[pliant frost]

You motivated me to try once again, JHP rounds

[oak beacon]

Go for it, remember that it’s designed to hit flesh not armor. You see a vest you pull down and shoot em in the dick

[lost inlet]

or use bigger rounds.

[oak beacon]

Or that

[jolly verge]

Use JHP on .300, 7.62x39 or 7.62x51

[pliant frost]

not on 5.56 ?

[oak beacon]

It’s dependent on how you want to play

[pliant frost]

I love my LSPD inspired HK416

[frail pier]

ARN-180 best gun all around

[lost inlet]

of you feeling evil, you could go buckshot.

[jolly verge]

5.56 JHP can't pen level 3 armor

[lost inlet]

my man. 🤝

[pliant frost]

oh

[oak beacon]

Ar180 gives me a stiffy

it being in 300 blk is weird though

[lost inlet]

AR-18.

[oak beacon]

Cool?

[tired jungle]

It's not

[pliant frost]

and there is a one more issue, you see, I enter the room with flashbang launcher (used by one of my AI teammates), suspect stunned, so one of AIs immediately runs to handcuff him but I know that another suspect is waiting to spray me and my teammate, so I spam "Move over there", nothing happens, spray, no rank S

[tired jungle]

Yes the ai is fucking stupid

[oak beacon]

That’s one of those where your gonna have to deal with it yourself situations, taser works most times. Very short range but extremely useful in a pinch

[solemn patio]

Im gonna jump off this fucking oil rig

[pliant frost]

I would use 7.62 but my skill issues make me unable to semi-auto aim anything

[tired jungle]

Jesus christ

[solemn patio]

NO MY OFFICER WHO HAS BEEN W ME SINCE THE START BASICALLY RESIGNED

[solemn patio]

How.

[tired jungle]

I don't understand why people are so against ap though

[pliant frost]

I mean, I just get used to full auto, that's it

using semi only on really long distances

[oak beacon]

It’s just shit

[solemn patio]

Vro I ragequit because my stupid officer cant throw a flashbang right

[tired jungle]

Like yeah over penetration 🤓 and shit but like where do you even aim if you hit limbs all the time to the point where you want jhp

[lost inlet]

well it is based on the AR-180.

[oak beacon]

Stomach, thighs are big targets for me

[oak beacon]

Body armor only covers their upper half

stomach is always open

[solemn patio]

The ARN180 is a 300 blk ar18 im pretty sure

Arn180 ingame thing

[lost inlet]

nahh, their entire torso is covered.

[oak beacon]

That’s false

[lost inlet]

head, arms, legs and torso are their hitboxes.

[solemn patio]

We lowkey need bigger squads on commander mode

[pliant frost]

Wish me luck

[tired jungle]

it's an ar-18 based upper fitted on a standard ar-15 lower. Basically just a fucking frankenstein gun with no real name

[lost inlet]

did you bothered to check if that's true?

[solemn patio]

Imagine a beltfed AR

Like the fightlite MCR

[lost inlet]

meanwhile BRN-180 irl:

[tired jungle]

It's still just an upper and not a whole gun

[solemn patio]

I dunno why but the AR18 is my favorite rifle

[pliant frost]

and I died

[oak beacon]

I’ve shot the armored guys on hide and seek in the stomach and dropped them. Single shot JHP, thanks for being passive agressive though

[lost inlet]

literally none of them wears any sort of armours, my guy.

[oak beacon]

???

You can see it inside of their jackets???

[lost inlet]

you can bring 9mm JHP, aim at their upper torso and they'd still go down in 3 shots.

[lost inlet]

their models don't accurately reflects their in game stats.

[oak beacon]

Oh guys we’ve got the developer himself here to tell me that he knows every single character model and their weak points

[lost inlet]

how do we tell him?

[oak beacon]

Hop off dude you’ve been passive aggressive since you tried to correct me about the ar-180

[solemn patio]

Thats just visual, like in 23 megabytes per second

[solemn patio]

Oop forgot to reply

[oak beacon]

There we go we’ve got somebody else here who’s sensible, thank you for telling me I’m wrong politely

I was wrong I apologize but other dude needs to hop off

[solemn patio]

I haven’t played 23 mb persec for a bit

[lost inlet]

i can admit that i was wrong on the ARN-180 part since i'm not a gun nerd but the enemies's model still stands correct.

[oak beacon]

I have acknowledged that, I was wrong about that

[solemn patio]

Yay this didnt end in more bullshit

[tired jungle]

That's fucking stupid imo

[stable kernel]

When in doubt https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[oak beacon]

it works 👍🏼

[tired jungle]

It's one of those things that may work in the game but you'd never do for real

[oak beacon]

Incorrect, pelvic bowl shots in real life make people drop like a sack of potatoes

thighs I could understand calling me dumb over

femoral artery yadda yadda but self defense scenario im shooting em in the dick dude

[solemn patio]

Its easier to hit center of mass and get several rounds off faster

[oak beacon]

I know

That’s the standard for a reason

[pliant frost]

fuck that shit fuck that fucked up map, I can't stand it no more

[oak beacon]

Poor guy

Dude can’t catch a break

[pliant frost]

I hope that whoever created this map is in hell right now

[oak beacon]

You need help dude?

[pliant frost]

nah, you already helped me a lot

this dudes have reation time like a freaking fly

[oak beacon]

they’re pretty quick

[pliant frost]

yep, and use echolocation and wallhack at the same time

[solemn patio]

What mission?

[pliant frost]

Relapse

[unborn echo]

hi guys

[solemn patio]

Oh shit yeah you need good spawns and strategy

The hospital bridge traumatized me.

[jolly verge]

That why other spawn point exist

[pliant frost]

Being honest, I am not a ex-military proplayer, but I tried everything and still

Diffrent loadouts

Diffrent wepons, rounds

[unborn echo]

exist? like discrimination to your exes? thats not very nice

[jolly verge]

Did you try M32A1 with only flash ammo?

[pliant frost]

nah, but it's free S rank weapon

I don't play like that

[frail pier]

It is kinda fucking free ngl

[pliant frost]

one more chance

[frail pier]

Pepperball though.... has no balls. Literally such a neutered LTL choice

[pliant frost]

ONE more. And I swear to you. No more trying after that

Ok?

[unborn echo]

"if you find yourself in a fair fight your tactic sucks" - Keanu Reeves probably

[frail pier]

You ok?

[pliant frost]

I'm not

[unborn echo]

i dont see how anyone who doesnt struggle on greased palms would struggle on relapse

[pliant frost]

crazy right ?

[unborn echo]

skill issue

[pliant frost]

30 second and my stupid AI DIED due to ONE suspect

[frail pier]

Good

[unborn echo]

amazing

[jolly verge]

Excellent

[unborn echo]

fascinating

[lost inlet]

wonderful.

[unborn echo]

commendable

[pliant frost]

Thanks for your all your advices then 💪

I'm trying again next day

[jovial lake]

Any tips on spotting enemies in this game

[chilly thorn]

MCX is peak

[jovial lake]

Im on greased palms first playthrough and I'm struggling to see and react at where im getting shot at and by whom

[pliant frost]

That's exactly what we were talking about

About me, being an absolute shit on relapse, and about greased palms which is the absolutely worst map in game - hardest and worst at the same time

[chilly thorn]

Suspect on Greased All wear black except for one.

[chilly thorn]

Greased Palms is the third worst imo

Relapse is the Worst map in the game followed by carriers because they are slop

[frail pier]

Nah relapse is good. Greased is ass, 3LT is ass, carriers is ass.

[chilly thorn]

Relapse is a boring as fuck map with nothing going for it, at least Greased has great music and 3LT is overall just fucking goated

[jovial lake]

I just feel like its the first level so far that is "long", as in distance

[pliant frost]

My advice is to use mirror gun, flashbangs. That's all. Imo you can't really spot this mutherfuckers among amazon packages they just blend into the background and hide pretty good

[jovial lake]

All the maps I played are mostly cqc, this one is long and open

[chilly thorn]

Use shotguns, none of the suspects have armor

they will all get oneshotted

[pliant frost]

All you need is luck and some tactics

[frail pier]

This is what kills me, it's just walking simulator for the most part

[jovial lake]

I'm trying for non lethal so im using the beans shotgun

I'm like super new is there a point for going with non lethal? Is it a better score or more like a personal ethics type thing

[chilly thorn]

Have you beaten the map before?

[jovial lake]

No im playing commander on standard and this is the level im on rn so far

I started playing today

[chilly thorn]

I'd recommend doing a normal shotgun for now, S-ranks are mainly for unlocking cosmetics

you dont get anything for S ranking post office either just a tattoo

[jovial lake]

Oh okay

I only got one s rank and its on lethal obsession :)

[pliant frost]

Personally, I'm clearing the first building, jamming it fully, then I'm going to the right of the first, clearing it, AND after clearing the second one there's a one door that leads to the storage room

You know what I mean?

[solemn patio]

I just got the biggest jumpscare of my life because some guy ran at me with a knife and i missed one tase

[jovial lake]

Not really im not even aware of there being a second building, I only gave this map a couple tries and kept dying on the same part with the machinery and stuff

[pliant frost]

I could send you map of my entry if it might help you

[jovial lake]

Do it if you want ill have a looksee

[chilly thorn]

what map?

[pliant frost]

Greasy palms

[bronze flame]

Greased palms is the devil incarnated.

[pliant frost]

Storage room is just luck, pray and spray sooo I'm not going to act like a pro

[chilly thorn]

wedge entrances take out the lil section to the right and then go into the massive wearhouse through the right door next to the break room, only clear a lil bit dont go out into the main area. than take out the outside then go into the main wearhouse

that way you wont get sniped

[jovial lake]

I dont think id have issues if I went lethal tbh, I'll try tomorrow tho

[chilly thorn]

Greased palms is like Levithan on easy mode youll get it

[pliant frost]

Everyone has their own tastes, but in reality nobody would send a team of five man equiped with non lethal beanbag shotguns or worse, peperball launchers

Lethal feels better

Just use it only if you have to

[void jasper]

For real

[chilly thorn]

Lethal guns but not killing anyone >

[pliant frost]

I'm always with my tazer in case

[toxic harness]

You Got Mail tattoo shows how superior you are

[chilly thorn]

Oil rig tattoo better

[void jasper]

And real swat don’t bother with suppressors

…oops

[pliant frost]

Twisted nerve - my favourite tattoo

[pliant frost]

For real, it's quite rare

[toxic harness]

The American tattoo can defer from people with different perspectives of America

As some says it's the country that can be better than good, as others will say it's a fallen first world country

[pliant frost]

Cool baner man!

[toxic harness]

Thanks

[solemn patio]

MP5 and shots fired but no deaths is king

[keen owl]

Is it possible to get s tier with on commander mode

Every time I try they gun down a suspect

[wraith gale]

just give the AI non lethal weapons

[keen owl]

How

[solemn patio]

Fuckin narcos keep jumping me

[wraith gale]

enter the loadout UI and press the triggers to switch to your AI's loadouts

[oak beacon]

bad take

[void jasper]

Greased palms is fun
I don’t care what anyone says

[chilly thorn]

its a better designed map than relapse I will die on that hill

relapse is not even hard, its just boring.

[tacit gull]

realest shit ever

[keen owl]

I tried this and my whole squad got gunned down

🥀

[void jasper]

lol “die on that hill”
I like that phrase

I like that relapse is big map, includes hostages, bomb threat

[faint saddle]

Greased Palms better designed than Relapse? What alternative universe are you people from, can I go live there? 😭

[void jasper]

Sure

New players always welcome

To get into this dimension you gotta talk to pinhead but it’s cool he’s actually in a good mood right now

Anyway

[solemn patio]

Hate when suspects start shooting through the cracks in all the shelves you cant go through

[void jasper]

I think sinuous trail map is like the smaller version of greasy palms

I’m starting to go around the sides more

Even after I clear the front

[solemn patio]

I have a real question for you btw

[void jasper]

Sometimes I wonder if the game would benefit from pushing us to plan more

[solemn patio]

Whos palms are greasy?

[void jasper]

The corrupt fisa agent…

right?

“One hand washes the other.”

[solemn patio]

Did he eat pizza and forget to wash his hands off (joke)

[void jasper]

Yeh

He didn’t plan ahead

[solemn patio]

Real

[void jasper]

He should have gone around the pizza and boxed em in, then take it slice by slice

Don’t forget the spicy

[solemn patio]

Sometimes I wish I could just call in the national guard, delta force, seal team six and allat

[void jasper]

Damn now I’m hungry

[solemn patio]

Like why the fuck are 4 guys dealing with like 30 mexican drug cartel goons

[void jasper]

Yeh call em tell em to stop at that mexican restaurant

[solemn patio]

Yes YES TACO TUESDAY

[void jasper]

lol bc video game logic

[solemn patio]

Im struggling so hard with narcos

Cuz I have a doctrine to never use .308 after killing multiple civilians with it

[solemn patio]

“Jesus Christ.. what have I done?…” type shenanigans

[void jasper]

I would jump in to back u up but im breaching this door to get spaghetti delivered

[solemn patio]

Ive never played multiplayer in my life lol

[void jasper]

Bang the hallway and leave a tip

[void jasper]

Cmon bullshit

[solemn patio]

No im serious

I never once played ron multiplayer

[void jasper]

Been in here since August

Never played multiplayer…

[solemn patio]

Should I bring the five seven?

[void jasper]

If you want

[solemn patio]

Running shield

[void jasper]

Which map

[solemn patio]

And they got armor

Narcos, home invasion dlc

[void jasper]

Cool 😎

[solemn patio]

Gettin sniped through windows fyi

[void jasper]

Personally I’m not preferential to the shield for narcos
But c2, some stingers and a mirror gun might work

[void jasper]

Take it slow and keep an eye on em

[solemn patio]

G19 or b92x?

[solemn patio]

Its too damn bright man

[haughty oriole]

I've been more in a military like outift than a actual swat

I've also seen many others like that and I don't blame them tbh

[solemn patio]

Its a video game, cool off man we aren’t gonna kill you

[void jasper]

Either or

[solemn patio]

(I might kick you tho)

[haughty oriole]

how about - 100 friendly fire?

[solemn patio]

(Cuz im the magnificent goldship)

[solemn patio]

Uhm uh..

[void jasper]

Narcos has some open spots between the apartments

[solemn patio]

Double tap them, they wont testify against you in court.

[void jasper]

That’s the tricky part for me

Moving between buildings

[solemn patio]

Same

[haughty oriole]

I will fully mag dump 5 mags with piercing rounds

Then switch to the sidearm and dump the other 3

[solemn patio]

I bring JHP on pistols and aim for the crotch because pistol AP sucks

[haughty oriole]

Yeah the piercing rounds on pistol don't make sense you ain't going through shit with them

[solemn patio]

Maybe on five seven

[void jasper]

On some maps like twisted nerve, or dorms, a lot of the doors are crappy wood and AP rounds will tag a crackhead just in time

[haughty oriole]

Funny because my crackheads won't feel a shotgun slug

[void jasper]

They are on crack, so put another one in em

[solemn patio]

your crackheads are broken, have you tried turning it off and back on again

[void jasper]

lol

Only a crackhead would say that

[solemn patio]

Sorry for the misspell I got head eyesd earlier

[haughty oriole]

they need to add flamethrowers in this game

[void jasper]

You were getting head??!?

[haughty oriole]

And bayonets

police bayonetting a crackhead would be funny

[void jasper]

How bout horses and sabers

[haughty oriole]

nah that shit ain't police stuff

[solemn patio]

NO??

Im thinking horrible things now thanks for putting the image of judge and a narco in a relationship in my head 😭😭

[haughty oriole]

the narcos are the worst mfs of this game

They are more deadly than the war vets which is nuts

[solemn patio]

Ikr

They feel stronger but less organized

[faint saddle]

TOC is crying into his RoE handbook guys, we can’t requisition flamethrowers. 😭

[haughty oriole]

who gives a fuck about toc

that guy just sits there eating donuts while we do the work

[solemn patio]

Well he buys me drinks and yells at me for shooting civs

[haughty oriole]

I bet he on discord rn and complaining with mfs about ghost of yotei being woke

Toccky toccky

[solemn patio]

Isnt there a judge bodypillow

[haughty oriole]

Yeah there is

[solemn patio]

Imagine if as an april fools update the bodypillows in the streamers apartment were replaced with it

[haughty oriole]

it would be kinda funny

Devs could do it as an Easter egg actually

Like not on April fools, make it permanent just give it like a 5% chance of spawning when you play the mission or something

[solemn patio]

Nah 25%

15%

[haughty oriole]

no Jesse you ain't getting a damn percentage

I cook and you do nothing so what cut would you ask for

[solemn patio]

I lowkey want a los locos bodypillow trustt

[proven bough]

Would be cool if VOID went full Pablo Escobar with compound raids

Might already have it idk im new

But judging from what I hear about LSPD being a ramshackle underfunded group might not make sense for them to do things like that

[cedar mulch]

They have C mag drum MK18

[faint saddle]

We’re underfunded in the sense that we’re only going in in teams of five, and that the LSPD has to work a lot of overtime.

… But we’re still able to equip our team with NVGs and FN Five-Sevens and P90s and high-tech optiwands and the precinct is huge.

[glass heart]

honestly that seems like a gameplay compromise shoehorned into lore

no, 5 dudes with gucci ass shit is not as much of a force multiplier as more dudes with worse but still adequate enough gear

i get that realistic element sizes would make the game either unstable, too easy, or both

[faint saddle]

It is. But it’s really funny to think of Judge and D Platoon hoovering up the department’s budget and hoarding all the good toys for themselves.

[glass heart]

it would be nice for MP to at least have higher capacity

clears with lots of people go hard

especially when everyones squared away

[faint saddle]

I dunno if this is a console-only thing, but none of the officers around the precinct have sidearms in their holsters, so it’s my own headcanon that the LSPD can’t even afford handguns. It’s all going to the SWAT.

[glass heart]

thats interesting

never really paid the station much mind between missions

maybe its that the limited handguns only go to units that are deployed on the street

admin positions dont really need their duty weapon if it is needed elsewhere

[faint saddle]

Nope. Even in one of the DLC missions, where you get to see regular police holding down the fort outside a suspect’s house, they don’t have pistols on them. They have shotguns though! So they’re not completely defenseless.

[glass heart]

yeah based on what the game shows you are right but this is just an oversight

i find it really hard to believe patrol officers would not have sidearms, even in a shithole

the station i can accept tho

[faint saddle]

Oh I’m sure, I don’t think this is serious lore. It’s just funny to think about.

[glass heart]

''OFFICER HELP THERES A ROBBERY"
"hol up bro my homies getting the shotgun"

[faint saddle]

In fairness I can see why violence is so bad in this city when every police officer responds to calls carrying an 870 instead of a handgun. 😭

[solemn patio]

LSPD probably is moreso underfunded because they use too much of their budget on the good stuff (guns)

[faint saddle]

You try to shoot a fleeing mugger in the leg and end up blowing his foot clean off.

[solemn patio]

Real!

[glass heart]

even shooting someone in the leg with a 9mm is likely to maim if not kill

with a shotgun, yeah no more walky

say goodbye to mr kneecap

[solemn patio]

9mm would depend if it strikes bone

[faint saddle]

I also have a headcanon that Judge is a robot created by the USIA, and that the department spends most of its budget on server space and operating costs.

[solemn patio]

If medical is administered likely to live

[glass heart]

its pretty difficult to hit someone in the leg without hitting either bone or an artery

[glass heart]

well yes, i am assuming conditions similar to the game here

where you dont do any medical and just leave them

[faint saddle]

It’s why I never bother taking slugs when I use a shotgun. All the body armor in the world is useless if they don’t armor their legs.

You steal some property, your leg goes poppity.

[solemn patio]

I lowkey wish we could do that tho

[glass heart]

who does medical when its more satisfying to put another round (or two or three or four) in their skull

jokes aside it would be cool yeah

[solemn patio]

S rankers who are out of beanbags, flashes n allat who dont use the shitty pepperball pistol

[glass heart]

not sure how it would mesh with the whole ''5 man team that needs to pull its own security''

[glass heart]

they arent gonna shoot anyone with their lethal pistols

[solemn patio]

Yeah

[glass heart]

relying on incap sucks and it also doesnt work

[faint saddle]

It could be like bomb diffusal, where you have to spend time tending to an injured but critical suspect to make sure they don’t bleed out on the floor.

[solemn patio]

If they had the option to render first aid I mean

[glass heart]

hvt would be pretty much the only usecase for this i feel like (and s more minorly if they get hit by their buddy's gunfire)

[glass heart]

the system would either have to award the same points for incap as for arrested, or have you able to get incap suspect back up and conscious

i dont disagree with the first one honestly (it should still be less, but more than 5)

maybe incap should give like 15-20 points

[solemn patio]

Maybe it awards more if you render first aid, maybe the same as arresting successfully

[glass heart]

i mean you ARE accomplishing the same thing

making sure they stay alive so you can get confessions/ testimony/ evidence

[faint saddle]

Exactly.

[solemn patio]

Yea

Just more chance LSPD gets sued and all that shit

For bullshit

[glass heart]

i wonder how much the lspd under my judge gets sued (in my whole campaign i arrested 40 and killed 205 suspects )

to be fair i was running 5x 7.62 on most of em

[solemn patio]

Rarely considering they pull guns and shoot at you (i presune)

[glass heart]

yeah they did

my team (and myself) put those fuckers down

its genuinely kinda hard to get unauthorized uses of force

(if you arent executing ppl)

[solemn patio]

I shot a surrendering suspect to avoid having to arrest them in the open or risk them shooting us

When we turn our backs

[glass heart]

why not call them to you

[faint saddle]

Poor TOC having to try and keep the D Platoon Kill Team on the straight and narrow with a flock of lawyers and Internal Affairs breathing down his neck.

[glass heart]

i mean yeah based, they are deserve a bullet to the dome

[solemn patio]

U CAN DO THAT??

[glass heart]

yeah lol

press your command wheel on the suspect, order them to turn around and them move to the sound of your voice

turning around reduces the chance they pull a pistol on you

by default calling them to your position would be MMB, 2, 2

[solemn patio]

I wish we had more advanced damage systems

Like I want beanbag shotguns to break bones and if u hit the leg knock a suspect over

[glass heart]

imagine arma medical and damage system in ron

ik its too arcadey for that to be good but its funny to think about

[solemn patio]

Imagine cod movement in ready or not

Like bo7 walljumps

While doing slide cancels

[glass heart]

you when the suspects also do that shit

[solemn patio]

FR

[glass heart]

imagine a heavily armed terrorist wallrunning at you

[unborn echo]

should i get a 120hz or 144hz monitor?

[solemn patio]

Imagine a bomb vester slide canceling

And YYing

[glass heart]

both are good, get 144hz if your budget allows else 120 is fine

to feel the effects you need to be able to reach 120/ 144 fps consistently in the titles you play

[unborn echo]

ive been really considering for a while now, so i kinda need advice on whether the differences are actually worth to pay a little extra

[glass heart]

not that higher fps on lower hz dont matter (lower mouse input lag) but you feel it best on higher hz

[glass heart]

i never really noticed a major difference

they are leagues better than 60hz but compared to eachother i cant tell

[unborn echo]

ngl thats exactly why im thinking of upgrading my monitor i've been using this 60hz i got straight out of a storage room since 2019

[faint saddle]

I dunno how this’d be implemented, or even if it’d be fun, but I think it’d be cool if your behavior in missions somehow had an effect on your squad.

Like if you play lethally and aggressively with the same squad members through multiple missions, they’ll pick up some habits like faster movement to charge ahead, or potentially shooting a surrendering suspect.

I don’t think the game’s AI is advanced enough to pull something like that off, but it’s a neat idea, I feel. Maybe someone could make a mod of it.

[glass heart]

mods already exist that tweak swat ai behavior

[unborn echo]

the game is gonna be pumped up to 100gb, and 50 of them are gonna be for the ai

[glass heart]

your idea for a dynamic system would be super fucking cool

they are already aggressive, if i could make them into terminators it would be amazing

if they also copied auditory signatures it would be doubly fun

[solemn patio]

Imagine if we got reports on judges mental state and we had to bring ourselves to therapy too

[glass heart]

i can imagine a whole team rolling in silent and deadly

no compliance yells, just outgoing fire

[unborn echo]

theres already a mod for that

[glass heart]

yeah i know

also a mod that makes them have no mercy

[faint saddle]

You get a therapist’s report after completing a full playthrough of missions, with details on how you performed during successful missions.

[solemn patio]

Maybe you develop scars on your character from failed missions

[unborn echo]

Snake Eater!

[solemn patio]

And get cosmetics for failing certain missions in the form of bandages

[faint saddle]

And show Judge’s metal skeleton and glowing red eyes underneath, yes.

[solemn patio]

LOL

[glass heart]

we need an amt hardballer to complete the look

[solemn patio]

I hc judge is ex marsoc

[glass heart]

we already have the laser

[glass heart]

maybe but he was also affiliated with the agency

[unborn echo]

gameplay aside i'd really appreciate a more refined look for the lspd heavy vest

[glass heart]

so my hc is that he did have a special operations backround and then became an operative with SAC/SOG

[solemn patio]

Fr

[faint saddle]

I can’t remember where I read it, but I’ve read somewhere he’s a veteran of the Great War on Terror. In what capacity I don’t know.

[solemn patio]

Yeah

[glass heart]

i dont recall do we have lore on gwot in ron

im not sure we even know if 9/11 happened in-universe

[solemn patio]

Well it probably did

[glass heart]

with how militant the security services are and with the injuries some of the left behind have i would agree with you

[unborn echo]

im a new soul i came to this strange world hoping i could learn abit about how to give and take

[solemn patio]

We need to be able to re-recruit resigned people tbh

[faint saddle]

Oh God, now I’m imagining Judge blasting the most insufferable butt-rock of the 00’s like the APC is a Humvee.

[glass heart]

i love traumatising my officers even more

[solemn patio]

LOL

[glass heart]

one resignation isnt enough

i want them to develop a drinking problem from the shit i do on the missions

[faint saddle]

“We need you, Kowalski. One last job…”

[solemn patio]

Imagine if we could make deals with the devil to take our guys out from hell and back to the realm of the living

“Even in death your service does not end.”

[glass heart]

ohhh so THATS why judge kills the suspects

[glass heart]

he cut a deal and big L wants his souls

and he wants them now

arresting them just aint gonna cut it

[unborn echo]

what is ron even about anymore

[glass heart]

killing people dressed up in policy niceties

[faint saddle]

You say that as if the US prison system isn’t just a meat grinder for the human spirit.

[glass heart]

yeah it is, im sure in-universe too but it aint killing them as quick as judge's 7.62 does

[faint saddle]

I’d believe it. Judge doesn’t have a soul to trade so he has to use other people’s souls instead.

[glass heart]

for most of these guys the prison system isnt enough

[faint saddle]

Sending Amos Voll to meet the Big Man himself on the 357 Express.

[glass heart]

(||underrated option, gerard, fuck that guy he shot 5 officers||)

[glass heart]

7.62x51 shaped ticket to j-money

[faint saddle]

Straight to the boiler room, whistling on the way down through the new holes in his head.

“When you get there.. Tell them, Beaumont sent you.”

[glass heart]

🔥

[glass heart]

if wounds transfer in the afterlife the people i fight with shotguns are not having a good time

what are you gonna do with no face and no arms

[unborn echo]

b-but our mission is not to create widows and orphans. its to bring order to chaos

[solemn patio]

Gerard was probably having a mental health episode tbh

[glass heart]

yeah but cop killers get dropped

illness or not

also he seems pretty present to me

insane yes, mentally ill beyond that nah

[faint saddle]

If God had wanted these criminals to live, He would not have created Judge.

[solemn patio]

Best guns for narcos mission?

[glass heart]

he was present enough to set up multiple ambushes, IEDs, and barricade himself with 2 other shooters

[unborn echo]

on the contrary it also applies to Judge using less and non-lethal because hes just cool like that

[glass heart]

same as all the others

7.62 if you wanna kill people, m32 spam if you wanna s rank

[solemn patio]

I dont use 762 after I shot 2 civs and killed them

I headcanon my judge is traumatized after that incident

[glass heart]

one mans unacceptable performance is anothers acceptable colleteral casualty

[unborn echo]

literally any other rifle caliber feels like troll pick tho ngl

[faint saddle]

For as much as I love Terminator Judge, I have to imagine he’d hate Frank Castle. Vigilantism is against the law. Ergo, the Punisher is on The List.

[solemn patio]

I dont want my ai to be traumatized

[glass heart]

that depends how deep his law enforcement programming is

[unborn echo]

also you can always just use fsmb muzzle break, sure the suppressor gives suspect -50% less stress but nothing is stopping other suspects from stressing out their own ally

[faint saddle]

He’d rather die than break the law—that’s why he has the “Kill Me” command when you shoot a civvy.

[glass heart]

given his resolve in the face of suspect casualties id say hes more like frank castle than not OR so desensitized that he does not care who lives and who dies (with the exception of civilians)

[solemn patio]

Does suspect stress make them less prone to surrender

Or more prone

[glass heart]

less prone

more stress= more unpredictable and violent

[unborn echo]

yes

also lethal gunshots increase enemy morale so either way its the same, suppressed or not

[wraith gale]

is this a Ready or Not reference

[solemn patio]

Whats ready or not

[faint saddle]

Anyone got a guide on how the Morale system works? I would think mowing down their buddies would make perps more likely to surrender, not less.

[solemn patio]

Oh right ready or not sorry I have gunshot induced amnesia

[unborn echo]

its in mmm google docs if you'd want it

[wraith gale]

stress = bad
killing = stress
gunshots = stress
alive suspects = no stress

👍

[faint saddle]

Police Dress-Up Sim with some team management and exploration elements.

[unborn echo]

and yes, suspect do get demoralized if they see another dead suspect, however that would also increase their stress

[wraith gale]

nah its an undercover human experiment named judge who runs a below average police force in the middle of california

[faint saddle]

He’s just a down-on-his-luck robot man trying to fund his precinct’s baseball team against the jock fire department. 😔

[unborn echo]

below average and they got enough gpnvg to supply a whole squad

[faint saddle]

Well they are an American police force.

[glass heart]

for how bad LS is i would say they are sufficiently violent

not too much, not too little

[faint saddle]

A tight budget for a big city US police force is still enough to feed some small countries. 😭

[glass heart]

we dont see any other aspect of the police there so we cant really make an accurate judgement

[glass heart]

LA (and by extension LS) IS as big as a small country, population wise

so the budget isnt too insane

[unborn echo]

isnt lapd also the first police agency to develope swat

[glass heart]

yes

in the 1960s

[solemn patio]

Lowkey we need an AR10

or maybe a sniper

[glass heart]

more 7.62 is always better!!!

legacy weaponry would be nice

[solemn patio]

I lowkey want to run a remington 700 or an AWM

Hmm

[glass heart]

what about a 50 caliber rifle

[solemn patio]

Aw50 would be nice

[glass heart]

imagine rounding a corner and blasting a motherfucker with 50cal

[solemn patio]

(Basically AWM in 50 cal

Barrett would be cool too

[faint saddle]

That’s fair, but still, I managed to find their open budget for the year of 2023–Los Angeles apparently had a police-budget in excess of a billion dollars in 2023.

Nearly 2 billion in 2025.

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-solid-3-metal-gear-solid-3-snake-eater-gif-10869013365521477796

[faint saddle]

Judge could stand to learn some CQC.

[stable kernel]

Very true

Gun bash does nothing to suspects, mostly

[deep patio]

who needs CQC when you could have an LMG ?

[faint saddle]

I don’t believe he’s married though, so he has no one to practice on when he goes home.

[stoic thistle]

The Bahrain defense force (which has F-16s and frigates) has a budget of 1.5 billion.

[faint saddle]

Jesus. 😭

Again, in fairness, if Wikipedia is to be believed, LA has a total population of somewhere above 3 million people, whereas Bahrain has only 1.5 million.

But still!

[unborn echo]

i wonder what the lapd spent all those 0s on

[faint saddle]

I’m telling you, it’s all going to equipping the SWAT and maintaining servers for Judge’s memory banks.

[stoic thistle]

Turning homeless people inside out or something.

[faint saddle]

Oh please, they’d do that for free.

[lusty mural]

Petition to give judge a pkm

[solemn patio]

Judge needs to work on his cardio

Bro is so slow

[faint saddle]

Give the man a break, he’s made of steel and wires, he’s a heavy boy. The APC sags whenever he gets in

[solemn patio]

My headcanon is judge is obese but is just so incredibly dense that he appears thin

[unborn echo]

hachimi hachimi

[solemn patio]

Imagine morbidly obese judge tho

[faint saddle]

All his weight is concentrated in his titanium balls, exemplified by his willingness to take on entire car dealerships of PKM-wielding Mexican nutjobs with nothing but 4 armed roombas as back-up.

[solemn patio]

Just “LSPD! Huff.. Drop the gun!”

“Get back here!…”

The building begins to shake as he attempts to sprint

[faint saddle]

“Putcher.. Uff..! P-Putchyer, fuckin’ hands up!”

[unborn echo]

what the hell is ron discussion even about anymore

[solemn patio]

maybe his sheer bodyfat makes him bulletproof

[faint saddle]

Discussing everyone’s favorite Million Dollar Man, Dave.

[unborn echo]

thats it im shooting 100 more suspects

[faint saddle]

Go get ‘em, Dave.

Davey B.

[solemn patio]

And dont skimp on the donuts, Beaumont.

You’re gonna need em, yknow to run from the police.

[faint saddle]

Judge gets some new upgrades in the next DLC. Now he can open his mouth and play sounds or music through a speaker, including a police siren, gunfire, and KRS-One’s “Sound of Da Police”.

[solemn patio]

Maybe if he runs too much he has a heart attack

[faint saddle]

I want obese squad AI. You’re just hoofing it through a mission when one of them keels over from a heart attack.

[solemn patio]

LOl

[faint saddle]

Paramedic perk required to keep the team alive to the end of mission.

[solemn patio]

“Uoff.. Lead to Toc, send medical..man down..”

[faint saddle]

Come to think of it, I just imagine Judge’s mouth opens like an animatronic and that’s how he delivers his lines.

creak
“LSPD, don’t move!!”
creak

[solemn patio]

I just think judge has insane brain damage

[faint saddle]

Someone spilled coffee on his motherboards and he hasn’t been the same since.

D’ya reckon he’s more a Terminator, or an android from the Alien movies?

[solemn patio]

Yk detroit become human?

[faint saddle]

… You don’t mean…

[solemn patio]

More like that

[faint saddle]

“I HAVE A DREAM,” SAYS JUDGE.

[solemn patio]

Wuh

[solemn patio]

LOL

[faint saddle]

JUDGE FIGHTING FOR ANDROID LIBERATION WITH HIS CRACK SQUAD OF ROOMBA AIS

[solemn patio]

LOL

Why do you think judge is a clanker

[faint saddle]

Cause it’s really funny to me.

You look that man in the eye in the loadout menu and tell me he has a soul. You tell me he goes home to a wife and children at the end of the day.

I’ll hold up a mirror and show you a liar.

[solemn patio]

LOL

He could just be a gooner

[faint saddle]

Judge only experiences pleasure when the Chief gives him a commendation for closing a case.

[solemn patio]

LOL

[faint saddle]

It doesn’t help that the only times we ever hear him speak is when he’s barking at people to put their hands up.

Other people in the precinct talk to each other, all the time, about their hopes and worries, about pulling overtime, about their kids and their futures. Judge doesn’t have any interactions with these people. He just mutely goes from one mission to the next, only interacting with his squad through setting up their gear or assigning them with his tablet.

Yeah I know The Deep Lore, but he’s so much more fun to think of as a robot.

[stray sorrel]

Hey everyone! I'm new to the game, (4 hours) was just wondering what everyone's fav primaries and secondaries are? Mine are the mk-v for secondary and mk-v for primary!

[faint saddle]

I like you already.

[stray sorrel]

Thank you? I saw a deagle-like weapon and picked that (liked the revolver but my aim sucks.) and then went through a bunch of trial and error to land on the sa-58

I realize now, I did not type the second gun I use. I am very drunk, apologies

[faint saddle]

But in all honesty, my fave primaries are the 870 and the 1013 shotguns, and the Mk.18 assault rifle. Fave secondaries are the G19, the 1911, and the 357–it and I are in a common-law marriage since Rust Belt.

[stray sorrel]

I loved the 1911, but It had too low of a mag for the amount of body shots it took to take someone down!

[faint saddle]

True, but it has good sights, stopping power, at least compared to the 9mil pistols, and looks cool.
The Magnum is sort of the same thing, only slower to fire, and it drops people in 1 or 2 shots depending on armor and bullet type.

I haven’t gotten a chance to use the Mk. V, I’m afraid. It’s not available on console.

But I am looking forward to it, someday!

[stray sorrel]

I personally have only used the mk-v on one map (twisted nerve I think) but it's great, if you can hit your shots, with the wrong ammo type against enemies with armour (or at least I think they had armour) I was one shotting them to the chest, actually insanely good. The only issue is you are forced to use iron sights

People on console don't have all the weapons yet?

[deep patio]

oh no it is, it's just that you needed to preorder it or have the deluxe edition

[faint saddle]

Oh. ;w;

Does Deluxe edition also get the grenade launchers?

[deep patio]

it's fine though you can get it with the next DLC whenever that comes

[deep patio]

yup and the shotgun with a magazine

[faint saddle]

Harrumph.

[solemn patio]

I sadly dont have the mk 5 since I didnt get deluxe/pre order wtv on console

[stray sorrel]

That's really scummy icl

Literally ONLY if you preorder?

[solemn patio]

Ikr

I dont even get the rotary grenade launche either

[stray sorrel]

In all fairness, you aren't missing much with the grenade launchers, but still

[solemn patio]

Not scummy just sucks

[deep patio]

you have sony and microsoft to thank i believe

They're the reason we have those restrictions

[stray sorrel]

Sounds about right for them both to be the cockroaches of the games industry

[solemn patio]

Why would we have those because of those two

[deep patio]

because as part of the console release they wanted preorder bonuses

[solemn patio]

Why not cosmetics??

[deep patio]

idk i'm not from VOID
Alls i know is that you can get them as a part of the 3rd DLC if i'm not mistaken

[solemn patio]

The 19.99 dollar thing?

[deep patio]

that's a mission pass for the 3 DLCs, the two that have already been released and the next one

[timid kernel]

Does anyone know what the next update is gonna be?

[uncut widget]

No clue, knowing how VOID releases patches

Maybe another DLC which won't be for free

[timid kernel]

I wish suspects were more unpredictable, and if you forgo to disarm them they could pull a knife while cuffing

It would be hell but make it harder

[solemn patio]

Uhm
Uhh

[digital bobcat]

would that be a QTE moment? huh 😭

[wraith gale]

boy do i have something to tell you

[dull hedge]

any tips for relapse

still stuck on ts

[frail laurel]

i like to make my way up to the third floor as soon as possible and work my way down. first clear the building you start in, then across the skybridge and do the same there. bring lots of wedges. i like to only use 1 of the staircases, blocking off the other one so suspects cant move between floors

the bomb doesnt go off for almost 30 minutes, so take your time

[native palm]

I need help with last achievement. i got 55/56 achievements, but the one called tutorial is confusing. how do i get it.

[cloud drum]

Grenade launcher? When the hell did they add that?

Its not even law enforcement at that point 😭

[quick narwhal]

How effective is 5 flash gl's in port hokan

I failed the mission many times and I'm considering to switch strategies

S rank hard mode

[desert island]

never tried S ranking hard port hokan but the nade launcher is good at stunning people without aimming and around cover, u might need to bring a 2nd nade launcher cuz i can see u running out of ammo trying to take everyone alive

[quick narwhal]

I'm about to bring the sun to the traffickers, I got fed of being a bullet sponge along my ai mates

[desert island]

lightarmor and replace all slots with flashbangs and then longtactical launcher

then try to take advantage of AI flash launcher to save ammo

i got A+

[quick narwhal]

Do you think the suspects suffering from permanent blindness and hearing loss counts as unauthorised force

[desert island]

i wish it was permenant

[quick narwhal]

Ditto

[boreal hull]

Update yet?

[grave crown]

update?

[quick narwhal]

Tbf the swat was tasked with bringing control to an oil rig when shit like that should be handled by the seal team 6 or smtg

If the swat was assigned this crap in the Ron lore then the seal team 6 must be fighting kaiju's and thanos at this point

[boreal hull]

Was asking if there WAS an update, don’t get your hopes up.

[grave crown]

😢

[torpid onyx]

police do use 40mm launchers for stuff like tear gas or just rubber bullets for riot control

though of course irl you won't hot breach with some 40mm flash launcher spamming it in a room that youre running into with armed suspects who have an m429

it would more likely be used to shoot something like tear gas through a window into an apartment with a barricaded suspect who doesn't have hostages

[young mirage]

yall whats the difference between dx11 and dx12?

ive tested that dx11 has more and higher fps

at what cost tho

[toxic harness]

Dx11 is supposed to run for low end PCs

[faint saddle]

Hey, any tips or strategies for the Beat Cop achievement? I don’t mean like, what equipment to bring—I just mean how do I deal with all that enemy firepower? And do they have stronger armor than normal, I swear, it’s taking magdumping with the Magnum, AP rounds, to drop these guys.

I think I’m starting to get the hang of free-leaning—where you root in place but you’re able to lean any which way—so that’s something.

I think the strategy at the moment is to aim for headshots, and to not let myself get caught in a tight space. Steer clear of windows, circle around suspects once I’m spotted, cause there’s no way I’m winning in a straight fight against all those bullets whizzing by.

[jolly verge]

.357 can't pen level 3 armor

Use a shield with Five-Seven AP ammo or MK-V with AP or JHP for the limbs oneshot

[faint saddle]

I KNEW IT, I’M NOT CRAZY! They DO have tougher armor! THANK YOU!

[jovial lake]

Is there any unlockables in this game other than cosmetics

Also how do you swap ammo types on the field

[shut summit]

...

[jolly verge]

Hold 1 or 2 if you on PC

[jovial lake]

Thx

[lusty mural]

man i wish there were lmgs in this game

[late prism]

I mean, there is. Only way we can use them is through mods though.

[lusty mural]

oh i didnt know there was mods for this game, thanks

lemme go make a trip to voll's house for no specific reason

[upper sky]

Hey does anyone know if your able to play Ron on xbox without a multiplayer subscription?

[haughty oriole]

A ready or not movie would kick ass

[faint saddle]

How do you mean? There’s plenty of like, tense SWAT movies.

[haughty oriole]

based on the world of ready or not

It was quite obvious to understand at first glance

[faint saddle]

I was only asking.

[valid raven]

am I the only one that has never had an issue with the gun barrel running into walls

Because people seam to complain about it but literally never been a issue for me

Also where can i read more detailed wepon stats

I rarely ever hug walls and i have always instinctively given the walls space without thinking for some reason

[jolly verge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[granite garden]

imagine if ron made a pvp mode with a defuse the bomb

[unborn echo]

so basically slow paced csgo?

or cs2 as of rn

[solemn patio]

Why the tf does judge throw flashbangs so weakly

[small mirage]

how siege should have been

[solemn patio]

It feels clunky as hell

I want the option to throw a flashbang blindly from cover

I love the MP7 its funny

[granite garden]

they have a chance to do it right

[granite garden]

so like cs mode but more realistic like r6

[small mirage]

jus sayin if that was a game mode, id probably play the fuck out of it lmaoo

[granite garden]

facts

[small mirage]

reminds me of what i had in mind when ubisoft dropped the initial release trailer for siege

cuz ts was drastically different compared to the actual gameplay on launch

[granite garden]

thats what im sayinggg ron has the potential but the devs aren't all there

[solemn patio]

I love when suspects just dont get affected by stingers

Like you’d expect even a few feet away they’d probably get a good fright from that

[small mirage]

id imagine those rubber balls lose velocity p quickly

[jolly verge]

Rubber balls is just effect from exploding, they do nothing

[jolly verge]

Anything between suspect and grenade will block it's effect

[storm siren]

I presume it’s been asked a bunch but is there a grenade that’s better than the rest? Between flash, gas and stinger?

[torpid onyx]

gas is useless rn and also kinda bugged, stinger and flash are a much of a muchness, stinger has a tiny bit bigger radius but flashbangs are like cool

[small mirage]

what? the rubber balls are supposed to act as fragmentation in tandem with a chemical agent irl

that's the entire method of action lmao

[jolly verge]

Gas was nerfed to the ground, stingers and flashbang are unchanged

Stingers have 12m radius and 27 damage if exploded near you

Flashbang - 10m and only 0.05 damage, and no FF penalty

[jolly verge]

IRL

In game it's just the same mechanic as in any other game

AoE sphere

[small mirage]

im aware, i was speaking to it's real world counterpart when i said this

[storm siren]

If the Stinger hits a civilian, do you get dinged for unauthorized force

[jolly verge]

Nope

You will get FF if it's hits swat ai

[jovial lake]

Do yall generally have a loadout for each mission or just roll with something that works everywhere

Is there like a "meta" is what im asking

[small mirage]

i personally like to change it based on the mission

pepperballs and cs gas are pretty fun for tight maps imo

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's was fun before they nerfed it

[small mirage]

the cs gas radius?

[jolly verge]

M32A1 with flash ammo

[jolly verge]

Radius, duration and stun damage

It's useless atm

[jovial lake]

I like the pepperballs but still dont know how to use them effectively

[jolly verge]

Only as a vision blocker

[small mirage]

fair, i was using it last night a lot and didn't seem to have much issue. just gotta land your throws.

[small mirage]

headshots

[jolly verge]

They are very good on standart with 2 pacifiers

[jolly verge]

Do nothing

[small mirage]

not when you shooting 5 pepperballs per second lmao

[jolly verge]

It's always 4 hits regardless where you hit

6 on hard difficulty

[small mirage]

but compared to say beanbag and someone's got a peek

you dont gotta open up to hit a body shot

[jovial lake]

So they're more effective like on contact or do they disperse after impact

[torpid onyx]

I roll with what I feel like

[small mirage]

when you can just shoot them in the face with a dozen pepperballs lol

it's also nice that it has an ( rather small) aoe

[torpid onyx]

I love watching a guy run off despite being loaded with pepperballs

[small mirage]

shoot more !

i use them liberally lmao

[jolly verge]

To stun suspect you need hit him 4 times with pepperballs or you can shoot any surface to create a 3m radius gas cloud which deals 50 stun damage and covers you from suspects

[small mirage]

flash launcher is pretty nice too imo since it detonates on impact rather than having a fuze time

[jolly verge]

Do not use it on hard mode, 6 balls and only 25 stun damage from gas cloud is too weak, so beanbag or M32A1 only

[small mirage]

beanbag my beloved

[solemn patio]

Love how the civs move around instead of hiding and bash doors open after hearing gunshots

[jade sparrow]

My take on the traits subdivision and related storylines (commander mode)

1.Non-Lethal (The Left Behind)
•Pacifier: more effective stun
•Riot Control: Longer Stun
-Every Left Behind storyline mission, including Lethal Obsession and Carriers of the Vine, includes apprehending a certain amount of suspects alive in its objectives

2.Breachers (The Exploited)
•Kicker: guaranteed successful breach on first kick
•Breacher: more stress on suspects by breaching tools
-The Exploited storyline is the one with the highest likelihood for doors to be locked

3.Lethal (The Decaying City)
•Veteran (Better accuracy and aim)
•SBAGS (Less stress from killing or incapacitating suspects)
-The SBAGS trait has a special effect on the map Elephant

4.Survival (The War)
•Armorer (better ceramic armor, helmet and mask)
•Nutritionist (more health)
-Rust Belt is rewards you with the only heavy vest alternative to the default

5.Healers (The Abducted)
•Paramedic (50% Chance to save a team member that’d otherwise be killed)
•Moral Officer (Increased stress heal)
-The Abducted features two of the hardest missions in the game, and it’s best to bring a paramedic preventatively

6.Yellers (Dark Waters)
•Negotiator: Stronger effect on first yell
•Intimidator: More effective yelling
-Two of the missions on Dark Waters include apprehending suspects alive in their goals

7.Commander (Home Invasion)
•Judge: Cutie Patootie
-I wish they would add more officer traits…

[small mirage]

man i aint readin allat

[solemn patio]

Ol yeller

[jade sparrow]

Was that a trait?

[solemn patio]

Idk I just felt like saying ol yeller man

[jade sparrow]

Oh! lol

[solemn patio]

I personally wanna see traits like hostage rescue and specops

Maybe bomb squad too, and they defuse bombs faster

[jade sparrow]

AI can’t defuse bombs and I feel like that would be so niche unless they make a map with lots of bombs

[solemn patio]

Yeah

Lowkey we also need gear like drones

[jade sparrow]

There’s a mod that adds them

[solemn patio]

Im not talking about mods though bud

[jade sparrow]

I know I’m just saying though if you wanna try that it’s there

Mods are part of the game

[unborn echo]

what if ready or not was called skibidi or not and nothing would have changed

[solemn patio]

Nah all the toilets become skibidi toilet and become suspects that can tank a whole mag of 308

What the fuck did I just type

[unborn echo]

skibidi toilet suspects would be scary indeed

[solemn patio]

Imagine suspects with nods

[spice idol]

are there any guides on how the mental states for officers affect them exactly? the spreadsheet seems to only address how morale and stress affects suspects

would be interesting to see if the negative affects from worse officer mental states increases or decreases based on mode difficulty

[jade sparrow]

I dunno but I always thought lower sanity levels are just an indicator to how close to crisis they are and they have no effect on gameplay

[jolly verge]

1. Pacifier - adds flats chance to force surrender suspect everytime you stun them, not making stun more effective

2. Riot Control barely makes stun longer (+ 0.8 seconds for 4 officers with this trait) 🤮 so who cares

3. Veteran affects accuracy only, aim or reaction speed is the same

4. Paramedic reduces KIA chance from default 50% to 0%

5. Negotiator - adds flat chance to force suspect surrender of first compliance shout

6. Intimidator has nothing to do with yelling or morale damage at all

[unborn echo]

gulps

[spice idol]

I thought they would preform slightly worse in combat? I was under the assumption it made their accuracy worse or something

[jade sparrow]

Hey I took all that info from a reddit post I found online lol, but thanks for clarifying

Wait if intimidator doesn’t damage suspect morale then what does it do?

[spice idol]

From my understanding suspects and officers aren’t affected by lighting conditions at all so they pretty much already have “nods” functionally on night maps. They still see you fine like it’s day time

[unborn echo]

hesitate

[jolly verge]

Stress does not affect swat ai performance at all

[solemn patio]

No but then they can see ir lasers

[unborn echo]

if suspects are already stressed then intimidator is useless

[spice idol]

They can’t see lasers at all even normal red ones they only see flashlights

[torpid onyx]

ir lasers are useless

[solemn patio]

Shh the box looks cooler on some of them

[spice idol]

The game mechanics overall really are looooot simpler and emptier than I thought

[torpid onyx]

the only use for them is being able to use a peq 15

[unborn echo]

mamamia

[solemn patio]

Exactly

[jolly verge]

Adds flat chance for suspect to hesitate on first sight, does not work on already alerted suspects

[solemn patio]

Ill use the peq 15 cuz sexy

[unborn echo]

why is he just checking you out like that

[solemn patio]

LOL thats kinda funny

[storm siren]

So can the enemies see the laser/flashlight? like would they be alerted

[solemn patio]

Judge is hot duh

[spice idol]

Flashlights yes lasers no

[storm siren]

Ah okay so better to just equip lasers and then toggle nightvision if needed. Presume enemies dont get stunned by the flashlight or anything ridiculous

[pliant frost]

Ceramic or steel plates?

[unborn echo]

ceramic

[torpid onyx]

ceramic mitigates all damage for a few shots but then breaks and mitigates no damage, steel plates mitigate like a flat % (I forgor the number) of damage and never break

[jolly verge]

Ceramic for quick play or multiplayer, steel for Commander mode with armorer trait

[torpid onyx]

I'll have to look it up

[deep patio]

Both have merit

You should read the document about it

[jolly verge]

40% for broken ceramic and 86.5% for a steel

[spice idol]

it’s wild officer ai can’t actually kill people with the beanbag

[deep patio]

I mean why would you want them to ?

[pliant frost]

Yep, ceramic is lighter so you're faster, but no big diffrence, what do you think

[jolly verge]

They were able too right after 1.0 release, but they fix it pretty fast

[unborn echo]

ceramic breaking is indicated by your paperdoll's vest turning red right?

[spice idol]

Okay so I’m not fucking crazy because around 1.0 I remembered multiple VOTD S runs go bad from officers killing suspects making me completely swear off ever giving it to officer AI unless I was having a real hard time

I knew I wasn’t seeing things

[deep patio]

Well if you're gonna tank a bunch of damage Steel is better because you get the opportunity to bleed

And bleeding heals you to 50% health

You don't get to bleed as much with ceramic because it blocks everything as long as it's not broken

[jolly verge]

Yes, unless you have light vest without side plates, also if all plates broke armor model will disappear from paperdoll

[unborn echo]

not heal, sets you back to 50% incase if you're below

[deep patio]

Thanks for the correction that's what I meant 💀

[spice idol]

Personally I like the non-lethals to all have tradeoffs. I like how the pepperball was weaker but 100% safe with no chance of death while beanbag was much stronger but officers had the chance to accidentally kill suspects.

[jolly verge]

Any hits on armor can't cause bleed, even if you have kevlar or broken plate

So it's RNG most of the time

Wish they did not nerf healing breach shotgun

[spice idol]

Ideally I hope they buff the SMG and pistol non-lethals. The SMG is genuinely useless serving no purpose over the pepperball and the pistol at least has a role but could be a little bit stronger. Maybe it could keep 6 rounds only but they have a stronger gas affect

[unborn echo]

i habe literally never gotten my ceramic to turn red before i die, the thing about the ais is this game is that nothing is stopping them from shooting your limbs, so if you get shot 8 times in the limb and 4 times on the ceramic vest you'll likely survive, and vice versa, 8 shots on steel vest and 4 shots on limbs, but are you willing to take that chance?

[pliant frost]

Sooo as I promised I'm trying to beat relapse on hard today (again) my setup is HK416 from mod, 5.56 of course, 50 AE. pistol, mirror gun, light vest, ceramic plates (might change to steel?), taser, flashbangs, one C2, JHP rounds

[toxic harness]

healing branch shotgun?

[spice idol]

The SMG non-lethal could give you two mags per mag slot so it’s better for ammo economy or something

[unborn echo]

if you're modded might as well just bring more mags and full auto anything that twitches

[jolly verge]

Before it's damage up you could shoot your friends foot to deal very low damage and make them bleed, so it's free 50% of health

[toxic harness]

"oh hold on sir lemme hit you with this slug round so you can heal up"

[jolly verge]

You still can do it but damage is quite too high

[spice idol]

wasn’t that a meta thing in siege at one point?

[pliant frost]

My AIs equipped with heavy steel vests, same lethal weapons, one red wity shield, other with flashbang launcher, same system with blues. Both teams have also some wedges

Sounds good?

[unborn echo]

ais are straight buns when it come to using any launcher ngl

[torpid onyx]

I usually just dedicate each member to one specific thing although it does mean if someone dies then that niche dies with them but it just means I know who is doing what when I'm coordinating people to do stuff

[pliant frost]

Okay, but shield makes sense?

[spice idol]

does pacifier affect pepperball clouds too or grenades only?

[unborn echo]

yeah, it is, it helps your ai not die 2 second breaching in, and allows your backline to do cover shot

[jolly verge]

Anything that stuns suspect, except door kick or taser bash stuns

[pliant frost]

And I made a mistake, I gave my shield members MKV cause they use sidearm only

[unborn echo]

does pacifier affect pepperball by itself, not the stun effect or the gas

[unborn echo]

thats good wdym

[pliant frost]

Good choice, or they miss every shot with that high recoil

[spice idol]

not pacifier sorry i meant riot control

[unborn echo]

ais dont miss, they dont have recoil

[jolly verge]

Pacifiers just adds flat chance for suspect surrender from any stun, it's does not directly affect pepperballs

[unborn echo]

swat ais dont have the same accuracy problem as us, its defined by a line of percentage, which isnt affected by recoil

[unborn echo]

buff pepperball pls

[pliant frost]

I mean I said "same lethal weapons as me" previously

[unborn echo]

if you mean this then yeah its a solid choice

[pliant frost]

Thx

[jolly verge]

I can't tell about gas cloud actually I did not test it, all I know it's affect grenades, pepperballs, beanbag and taser stuns, but it's very useless trait anyway

[jolly verge]

They are already too good, just not on hard difficulty

[unborn echo]

nerf hard difficulty pls

[pliant frost]

Two Intimidators + Two negotiators

Imo

[small mirage]

i approve of this message

bru-

[unborn echo]

which message

[small mirage]

the one that is now deleted

[spice idol]

i don’t care if pepperball is bad i am a pepperball supremacist i love magdumping suspects and making gimmicky little cs clouds around corners i know suspects are hiding behind

[small mirage]

this one

[spice idol]

i assumed most of you guy’s data came from datamining wow must take a lot to manually test everything

[jolly verge]

• taser only =

[jolly verge]

Yeah, we waste too much time on this

[spice idol]

i replied to the wrong person and had to fix it sorry lol

[pliant frost]

Cool blur by the way, mine doesn't work no matter if it's on 50% or 100% lol

[unborn echo]

taser magdumping

[jolly verge]

Not to mention MMMM checks all stuff after every game update

[small mirage]

ur all good homie lol

[spice idol]

It’s funny how without that guy and you this community would literally have no idea how this game works

[unborn echo]

guns go pew pew ig

[jovial lake]

Bro what is that range on the taser

[jolly verge]

20m, they cut it to 10m after LSS

[jovial lake]

Thats it cut in the video?

[jolly verge]

Nope, 20m

[jovial lake]

Oh okay lol

[spice idol]

LSS is RON’s canon event it destroyed so much 😭

Was a map cut from LSS? I swear to god there was a subway train station map being shown in promos for the update that we never got

I was so confused when we only got two maps instead of three

[toxic harness]

The Hunger Strike was originally Fast-Food and could've be part of the main story list, but it is still canon while being in a different section

Although according to the dates on bodycams, it shows that we first encountered Los Locos in Los Chicos rather than at the Border Wall

[toxic harness]

I see another characterization for Judge where he was like "I need to know wtf is going on in that Plaza?"

Can be found in that media transcript for 3 Letter Triad Media

[jolly verge]

You mean motion blur? Do you have post process quality at least on medium?

[pliant frost]

Oh... I'll try that!

[red kayak]

Are there any smoll maps to play solo in ron?

[pliant frost]

Small*

[red kayak]

Smoll

[pliant frost]

Small

[pliant frost]

Both from Los Sueños Stories

Ides of march

[toxic harness]

• Thank You, Come Again
• 23MB a Second
• Spider
• Lethal Obsession
• Ides of March
• Ends of the Earth
• Hunger Strike

[unborn echo]

poro!

[red kayak]

Okai thanks you

[stone bay]

https://tenor.com/view/chains-houston-payday2-payday-the-heist-pdth-gif-21547951

Imagine a map where u fight these mfs

And their ai is really advanced and has more protection and are smarter

[torpid onyx]

ides is not small in suspect count

[toxic harness]

It's small in map size

[torpid onyx]

I wouldn't call it an amazing solo map though

it can be painful

[toxic harness]

Fair as those fuck ass M246 suspects can be annoying

[torpid onyx]

I once had an LMG suspect just unload full auto through a wall at me with like 50 rounds when I opened the door to the apartment

(and I died)

[toxic harness]

We need LMGs

Idc that SWATs don't do that. I NEED MY OWN M246 TO COUNTER FIRE WITH FIRE

[slender wagon]

Ok.

[toxic harness]

who the fuck

[unborn echo]

ediz

[unborn echo]

also why were you muted the other day

[toxic harness]

The mods thought that I want to shoot up my work when I was also referencing the Moscow Shooting

[toxic harness]

which I should've add a space so the mods doesn't think that

And yes I do like my work, and I do wish RoN has a Theater shooting mission some day

But that's more of my terrible wording message which I got smacked by a Hard Ai suspect

[toxic harness]

Anyway

Im back and the server is the same

[jovial lake]

I cant wait to get home to play this game MAN

[toxic harness]

I just need a GOOD reason to play it, or have people to play with

[floral gorge]

trigger discipline when

cant tolerate daddy judge putting his finger on the trigger while at station.

also the devs should make us able to equip empty hand.

[crisp drum]

Is there getting added a PVP mode?

[spice idol]

mods twist this guy’s balls

[crisp drum]

Hell nah

[spice idol]

hammer them into paste

[stoic thistle]

"Show hands or throw hands!"

[floral peak]

Huh?

[wraith gale]

in like 3 years maybe

[humble hedge]

what happend to buddy with the cat pic? did he get fired ?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[humble hedge]

my god karma is a beautiful thing

[quiet apex]

"This is toc, we have belief one of you is not acting within the team's best interests"

[humble hedge]

he told to wait a couple weeks for the console version to get fixed

[red kayak]

hunger strike is not in RoN?