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[charred birch]

Fair enough

[spiral tundra]

I wanna play ron but honestly I kinda get bored when I don’t have anyone else to play with

[autumn wagon]

cool pfp

[charred birch]

Would love to play with you but sadly I don’t play multiplayer, like at all in this game 😭

[spiral tundra]

Shame, but I’d be down

[charred birch]

Awh I appreciate it !

[spiral tundra]

Someone please give me some cool songs bruh

[autumn wagon]

give me a sec

[autumn wagon]

what genre

[spiral tundra]

Nothing too romantic or pop really

I don’t really mind

[autumn wagon]

alright

https://open.spotify.com/track/0sefeJYHebbXxqgXSBVh5Z?si=da4d320a58f743af

dunno why it was sent like that but still works

[charred birch]

Love walking in the streets and hearing some teen say mommy milkers to their friends when walking past me

[autumn wagon]

compliment or harassment hmmm

[charred birch]

Would be nice if I actually knew the guy and he wasn’t like what, 14 ?

[autumn wagon]

in what country does anyone say that and still being in distance so you hear it

[empty hull]

"would be nice" i dont know bro🥀

[charred birch]

Yeah I think guys can do better than "mommy milkers" 🫩💔

[autumn wagon]

neckbeard talk

[spiral tundra]

Average dude nowadays

[autumn wagon]

in like usa yeah

dont drag us others down 😭

[spiral tundra]

And most of Europe

[empty hull]

havent heard mommy milkers in a while

[charred birch]

Yeah me neither and I think I was fine with NOT hearing it lmfao

[empty hull]

all i hear is 67

full group of middle aged people talm bout sum 67

[empty hull]

belts are a wonderful invention

[spiral tundra]

What’s your definition of middle aged 😭

[empty hull]

if sum kid sayin ts to me im finna give him them 14 years of discipline all at once

finna be movin w that belt like ninjago

[worthy zephyr]

Probably around 12 years old IDK tho

[empty hull]

30-40s

[charred birch]

I wanted to say something but just didn’t

[spiral tundra]

Middle aged is like 30? 😭

[edgy linden]

Who cares lol

[spiral tundra]

No way a 30 year old dude sayin 67

[empty hull]

thats what i thought bro

i was clearly wrong

[worthy zephyr]

So theres this thing called a joke

[spiral tundra]

Used to jokes being funny sorry

[empty hull]

[worthy zephyr]

First time rage baiting guys please get mad

[empty hull]

jokes buns tho💔

[warm thicket]

So your telling me I just bought home invasion for 10 dollars and got 3 mid missions that were easy asl

[vague locust]

youre supporting development

its players like you that add about a $400,000 profit on top of the margins from console release through downgrading the game

runs a little better on pc tbh

[deep patio]

I wouldn't call the missions in home invasion mid 💀

[warm thicket]

I finished them all in like 30 minutes 😭

They aren’t BAD I was just expecting more content

[deep patio]

I mean idk each map is more than just standard difficulty

There's lore, there's hard mode, there's S Rank, you can challenge yourself idk

Also Dorms would be a challenge to do Solo Hard

[void jasper]

That’s gotta be some kind of record

[deep patio]

Really though 💀

[warm thicket]

Issac Nakamura my go to paramedic carried

[void jasper]

Huhh?

[deep patio]

Oh you did commander mode

[void jasper]

Every mission in under 30 or all of em in under 30?

[tender temple]

Including the 40 minute search for that last weapon or exclusive

[spiral tundra]

Most missions you can do in 5-10 mins if you’re good at it

Only missions that tend to take longer are hide and seek (massive map), greased palms (extended combat), relapse (maze)

[void jasper]

I like greased palms bc you can take your time and just fight it out with em

[empty hull]

hide and seeks only really hard cause of long range combat

[spiral tundra]

Not hard for me

[empty hull]

thats if ur doing s rank

[spiral tundra]

Just takes long cuz you gotta run everywhere

[empty hull]

pepperballs?

i cant even flank without getting shot to pieces

[spiral tundra]

Shield

[empty hull]

enemies turn into chris kyle

oh yeah

[void jasper]

Careful, big brother is watching

[spiral tundra]

Honestly hide and seek you can just use a magnification scope and snipe them from a while away

[final ember]

Still better than Dark Waters though

[empty hull]

yeah i gotta do s rank though

[warm thicket]

I’d say it’s more realistic

[final ember]

Also Narcos kicks ass

[vague locust]

flash launcher just farms for bad situations

havent tried new grenade launcher, shit should be able to snipe most of them too

[warm thicket]

An offshore oil rig raid with 5 local SWAT officers responding to it being taken over while there’s literally a CANON agency made for that kinda operation

Definitely better

[vague locust]

oh hide and seek is just port, you can just flash nade most of them, save launcher for clutching

[warm thicket]

Hide and seek? I shot everyone

[final ember]

It sounded good on introduction but its one of my least favorite missions

[empty hull]

literally me my first playthrough

[warm thicket]

I’m never getting dark waters

[empty hull]

i was s ranking elephant and accidentally domed a civ in the head w a glock last second

[warm thicket]

😭

[empty hull]

reaction time of a navy seal

[warm thicket]

Bro I could never S elephant that shit got me tearing up

[final ember]

Its mid ngl

[spiral tundra]

Why would you EVER be holding a Glock on elephant 😭

[vague locust]

there are no mistakes, just happy little accidents

[empty hull]

idk if theres any casualties if ur fast

[final ember]

The Yacht mission is neat tho

[storm belfry]

I do the same with a beanbag 12g

[spiral tundra]

They got L4 armour and you gonna be tickling them

[warm thicket]

I wish we had plastic non lethal rounds instead of just pepper ball

[empty hull]

why not

[storm belfry]

micro plastic 12g

[warm thicket]

Even better

[spiral tundra]

Cuz they have the strongest armour in the game

[empty hull]

their heads dont got armour

[vague locust]

thatd be good, better for balancing instead of slow ass pepper ball and beanbags. nonlethals already just a boring gimmick with util spam

[empty hull]

thats why i aim for the head

i was just beanbagging that round

[spiral tundra]

Honestly the only way I got fun from hard S was from funny moments which usually were deaths, or from chatting with my team

The gameplay was kinda boring tbh

[empty hull]

ngl i actually mightve been using 300 blackout and not s ranking

[spiral tundra]

Repeatedly get one tapped, have a laugh, repeat

[vague locust]

yeah, and risking one bad rng incident of guns constantly bugging always fucking hurt, lol

still havent been able to s rank the crack house cause of it

[spiral tundra]

I can help if you want

[empty hull]

crackhouse is so annoying

[spiral tundra]

Tomorrow

[vague locust]

they patched the bug?? nah im good, dont have it installed rn, thanks though

[empty hull]

its like vietnam

[spiral tundra]

Toxic fumes was one of the most annoying achievements

[warm thicket]

I swear I can mag dump a civ with pepper ball to the head and they’ll stand there just fine

[spiral tundra]

Pepper balls and terrible CS gas on twisted nerve

[storm belfry]

Twisted nerve was so fucking hard

[vague locust]

every gun kept glitching under the ground so youd end up with like 3-6 weapons that you didnt bag up in crackhouse so it was impossible to S rank a few months ago

[warm thicket]

Really?

[spiral tundra]

Toxic fumes itself was fine, except the gas did nothing and it took like half a mag - a full mag just for one suspect to get down

[storm belfry]

they kept stabbing me like it was prison

[empty hull]

i almost finished it one time and god damn john wick whips around a corner and knives me in the throat

[warm thicket]

“Welcome to Brixton”

[spiral tundra]

I have more struggle doing twisted nerve lethal than non lethal

Cuz they eat bullets

[empty hull]

they literally do

[spiral tundra]

Which you’ll especially notice if you use a 9mm

[empty hull]

i gotta mag dump with lethal everytime

[spiral tundra]

I take SMG with 5 mags to twisted nerve

And I just dump bullets

It’s the only mission I bring more than 3 mags

[empty hull]

never use smgs

[warm thicket]

Dawg twisted nerve wasn’t that hard bro what

[empty hull]

beanbag has a better lethal atp

[storm belfry]

I heard a angry British man before promptly being shanked

[spiral tundra]

I only use em on unarmoired maps cuz you can use the MP5/10mm burst mode is really fun

[vague locust]

smgs are only good if youre running the meta ones like p90 and either legging like fucking tarkov or hs spamming

whichever low recoil ones are best

[warm thicket]

“Chinned a bloke today, sneaky wiggle he was mate”

[spiral tundra]

I just like the burst on the MP510mm

But I tend to run the 5.56 rifles

[empty hull]

whats that one rifle that uses 7.62

[warm thicket]

I think I’ve kept my Mk18 for every mission and never changed it

[spiral tundra]

I could probably run JHP on a lot of maps but I always run AP even on unarmoired maps

[warm thicket]

Only ever changed my sidearm

[empty hull]

I forgot the name

[spiral tundra]

There’s many’s

[empty hull]

its a long ranged rifle converted for close range

[spiral tundra]

7.62x51: SA58, G3, GA51, MK17
7.62x39: SLR47

[empty hull]

sa58 yeah thats it

[spiral tundra]

SA58 is NOT meant for close range

[empty hull]

thats by far mt favorite rifle

[spiral tundra]

It’s a full length battle rifle

[empty hull]

it says in the bio doesnt it

[spiral tundra]

Oh it is

But it’s still not nearly as short as the 5.56 ones built for close range

[empty hull]

me personally if my gun doesnt look good it doesnt work

[spiral tundra]

Honestly same

[empty hull]

i go for headshots anyways so penetration never really was an issue for me

[spiral tundra]

When I first got the game I chose the best looking (SR16)

[empty hull]

sr16 is good in general

[spiral tundra]

I don’t have to worry about pen cuz I’m a weirdo and run AP on every single map no matter what

[empty hull]

same

[vague locust]

pfffft

[spiral tundra]

I like aiming chest cuz if people are running it becomes harder

To aim at the head consistently

[vague locust]

i wish the stagger mechanic or whatever was more consistent, you should be able to body tap armor so they stop shooting you then you hs while theyre stunned

its too inconsistent, you have to magdump the chest even with high caliber or else you risk getting lasered

fuck do they call it, the mozambique drill?

[spiral tundra]

Not really

[empty hull]

roe got thrown out the window

[spiral tundra]

I tend to be able to land 2-3 shots then look away

[misty island]

Did VOID change taser? I remember taser dropped suspect morale to 0 always. Now on hard they rarely require 1 extra shot or bash.

[vague locust]

all im saying is that disabling them first with an underpowered caliber is totes the most effective route

[vague locust]

damn, maybe i was using too low calibers or something, dueling ai like that never felt worth the risk

[empty hull]

youll never catch me using low cals

we goin straight 12g and 7.62 against smalltime thieves with no body armor

[spiral tundra]

It’s not always great to rely off 7.62

Your overpen or recoil can cause you to get some nasty collateral

[vague locust]

there are so many stupid wallbangs that let you accidentally collat, lol

especially for the auto shop, it has the most likely spawns when youre fighting inside to pop a civvie

[spiral tundra]

I love running round with pistol iron sights

It feels nice hitting headshots with iron sights

[vague locust]

its satisfying, just messes with your fps aim though since the aiming style is different

usually you look at target then aim into it, but iron sights are ehhhh, looking through the iron sights? you cant really see, so you have to aim with the damn thing or be accurate in flicking

[empty hull]

honestly yeah

i accidentally domed a civ in the head cause he was a hostage

[spiral tundra]

I refuse to use a sight on a pistol

[empty hull]

thats so real

[vague locust]

aha, i knew there was something wrong with you

the hostage is in the front, not the back! you cant accidentally dome unless youre behind them like a sneaky fucker

[empty hull]

my first resort when my initial shots miss is to mag dump the room

[spiral tundra]

I love when I have a shield up and the suspect runs to a hostage

[vague locust]

you monster

[spiral tundra]

Then not being able to aim properly the civ gets a 9mm to the stomach

[vague locust]

id wallbang more if it didnt break roe and deduct points

[empty hull]

im not even kidding its so easy to kill civs

[spiral tundra]

The only time I wallbang is when someone is staring at a door

[empty hull]

i had to use a 12g for a hostage

[vague locust]

uh huh, its the aims fault

[spiral tundra]

But considering I like never use mirrorgun I tend to die to this

[empty hull]

i take rationalized risks

[vague locust]

if you were a real man, youd facehug him to get that perfect accuracy

assuming he doesnt pop the hostage or whatever

[spiral tundra]

And the civ gets a 9mm through the head instead

[vague locust]

[empty hull]

lmao this reminds me

i shot a hostage in the gut once cause i panicked

and he just tossed the hostage away

[spiral tundra]

There seems to be a glitch recently tho where they do the shoot animation then just drop the hostage

[vague locust]

hostage is useless now, bleeding all over his clothes

dirty as hell

[spiral tundra]

Like throw the hostage away but don’t kill lol

It’s so weird

[empty hull]

yeah i have this happen a lot too

idk if its intentional or not

[spiral tundra]

I believe not cuz it still doe the shoot animation

[empty hull]

i never noticed ngl

[spiral tundra]

But I don’t know how many times this saved my hard S ranks

A considerable amount

Also is it just me or they love taking hostages in the rooms with a ton of obstacles to block flashes

[empty hull]

its usually open spaces for me

they also randomly take a hostage on the opposite side of the map smh

[spiral tundra]

For me they love doing it in rooms with a ton of tall obstacles that block the flash

[empty hull]

do you mainly do s runs

or do you go lethal

[spiral tundra]

No

I did it for the flex sake and achievements

Now I do mostly lethal unless I’m helping others

[empty hull]

their accuracy with hostages is hot garbage, and you can get an easy headshot if youre fast and calm

[spiral tundra]

Bro I feel like hostage killing is so delayed tho

Like they take a hostage and I can just walk in and shoot them

Like once in the spider it was brixley and last civilian, then I just stood in the door with shield and shot him 5 times and he didn’t even shoot them

[empty hull]

i guess it solely depends on a timer

i assumed it depended on morale

low morale means civ dies

[spiral tundra]

He was yelled at a lot but then shot a few times so idk

He also decided to surrender mid getting shot at and I killed him via shot in the shoulder

[analog wraith]

...

[high jasper]

in elephant standard im tryna do a S rank.. how long till the shooter will drop a civy?

[deep patio]

I'm not sure but since an active shooter threat you should clear everything as fast as you can, don't be suicidal but you need to go faster

[jolly verge]

2 min + random delay between 10-20 seconds

[high jasper]

2 minutes god DAMN

[jolly verge]

It's enough to check first and second floor actually

Just always use low-ready

[spiral tundra]

Like 2-3 mins

Top tip: go to left door, run upstairs and go to library

One tends to be sat in there, and another tends to be just outside

It only becomes an issue on hard where you get traps

[high jasper]

tysm

[high jasper]

DUDE WTF HOW ARE THE SHOOTERS SO STRONG BRO

I die so fast

the vest isnt even doing anything

[spiral tundra]

Where you shooting em and what round

[gritty star]

They have level 4 vests so you gotta either shoot em in the vest with big boy rounds or aim for the head or other unarmored parts. The crotch is a good target if you can hit it. Also, to avoid civilians getting shot, ignore all civilians and bombs until all suspects are dealt with. You have plenty of time to deal with the bombs.

[high jasper]

aight, problem is they kill me so fast i dnot think the vest even did anything, should i even wear em anymroe?

[spiral tundra]

Just use 5.56 AP it’ll be fine

[gritty star]

You should always wear armor, what kind are you wearing?

[spiral tundra]

Use steel armour and heavy if need be

[high jasper]

ceramic heavy full coverage

[gritty star]

Use steel instead

[spiral tundra]

All I can recommend after that is a riot shield

And use a magnum AP or MkV if you have it

[gritty star]

And if you're getting shot in the face, use a ballistic mask or gas mask

[spiral tundra]

Ballistic mask only really stops 9mm and pistol calibres

It won’t stop the rifles they use in elephant at all

[gritty star]

Ah

[spiral tundra]

Also gas mask isn’t bulletproof at all

[gritty star]

It is

[spiral tundra]

It’s not

[gritty star]

At least it used to be

[spiral tundra]

I tested it

[stable kernel]

Oh spreadsheet man

[spiral tundra]

No way ballistic mask stops above that

[stable kernel]

[spiral tundra]

Bro what 😭

IVE BEEN LIED TO MY WHOLE LIFE

[gritty star]

I used to wear the gas mask all the time and on the damage paperdoll, it showed I had facial protection. And when I would get shot in the face, the facial protection thing would disappear, meaning the gas mask stopped the bullet and broke

[stable kernel]

The helmet blocks all head damage while intact, not the mask. Similarly the bmask only adds to the helmet protection.

[spiral tundra]

Yeah, I said the gas mask wasn’t bulletproof

[stable kernel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?pli=1&gid=695296307#gid=695296307

Behold the truth, courtesy of spreadsheet man

[high jasper]

in elephant the more suspects i take down will they stil kill a civillian after like 2 minutes

[prisma kettle]

Great vid idea for a challenge, only crouch lean and beat the game on ironman mode hard difficulty

[real frigate]

Is it normal to take 8 hours to play through greased palms to pass the fkin thing

Bc I have technically passed it but the final suspect killed me. I got a c grade but the game isn’t letting me continue to next mission

[spiral tundra]

Greased palms tends to take the longest

If you’re really struggling go into some other maps and practise your gun skill a ton

[worn stream]

going to attempt Solo Hard Mode Ironman. Will let yall know how it goes

lmao

[prisma kettle]

If bring order to chaos is not done its still a fail

[empty hull]

i hate 23 mega so bad

they take a hostage every 5 seconds bro

[flat fox]

do surrendered suspects count for big shell specialist

i headshot 2 peeps from more than 30 meters

[fossil remnant]

It says "active suspects" mine did not work on surrendered suspects when I did it.

[flat fox]

jesus thats gonna be impossible

so basically just need to get a lucky suspect spawn

probably a snipe from the helipad to 3rd floor balcony

[fossil remnant]

I got 1 from the back of the helipad and then looking left at the conatiners

[fossil remnant]

But yes gotta get lucky with the spawns

[copper cypress]

If all my SWAT Ai teammates are killed by suspects, does that mean I can safely execute suspects who have surrendered/been arrested?

[flat fox]

yes

[gusty pelican]

Go crazy

[copper cypress]

[flat fox]

they gotta make a mod that removes all rules and TOC 🙏

[gusty pelican]

I dunno man

Hearing TOC get mad is kinda funny

[flat fox]

sometimes i just want to abuse little civs without punishment

[copper cypress]

[gusty pelican]

You can without any backlash

I load up 23 meg and chuck em off the top floor balcony and they're fine

[flat fox]

😭

[copper cypress]

Sometimes when suspects cause civilian deaths, I want to execute them after putting them in handcuffs.

[gusty pelican]

Make sure you lock your team in a single exit room with a wedge firsthand

[copper cypress]

I heard that if the secret order is triggered and the SWAT Ai doesn't kill me and the mission ends, their stress will increase significantly?

[wraith arrow]

Does anyone have the LSPD logo? Or Los Sueños logo?

I'm making a meme and I need it.

[storm belfry]

After field testing on hard mode both me and Seed Sr agreed that later maps aren't built for hard mode gameplay

It's all funnels

One way in One way out

[wraith arrow]

@wind widget Love u fella

Do you also have the LSPD one?

[wind widget]

lemme see

there’s a badge if that works

[wraith arrow]

It works, thanks

[wind widget]

20 minute slowmode pissing me off 🙏

[storm belfry]

I'm in tears watching him get gunned down like old yeller

[wraith arrow]

Dm u

[gusty pelican]

Can i get that badge too?

[wind widget]

sure

[storm belfry]

playing hard mode made me go from wanting leg armor to helmet and leg along with options to run combined armor type that's basically the rest all combined for a middle ground between hard stopping and soft stopping

[gusty pelican]

How're you holding up so far

[storm belfry]

me?

[gusty pelican]

Yur

[storm belfry]

Great now

After making Seed Sr listen to me complain about Neon Tomb for a while over the phone

[gusty pelican]

Ah fuck i have yet to do that on hard

[storm belfry]

Hard Neon is like Arma

It's like Darksouls 3 when you play non lethal

[gusty pelican]

Yeah fuck that i'm bringing a Supernova

[storm belfry]

real

Sometimes playing RoN makes me just wanna cry

[gusty pelican]

Even worse when you clear a whole level besides 1 dude who then proceeds to end you

[storm belfry]

on the spider I did that

[real frigate]

My life frfr

[storm belfry]

Last guy, over 18 beanbag shots, 1 flash grenade, 1 40mm Flash grenade, 2 Pepper Ball Pistol mags

[real frigate]

That shit happened to me on greased palms

Damn near wanted to put my controller through a window

I’ve still yet to get through greased palms

[storm belfry]

I just cry, we aren't the same

[gusty pelican]

Adams after showing off his crossmapping skills...

[storm belfry]

ngl

Garheld was easy on hard mode

[floral gorge]

toc to entry team

[storm belfry]

He nearly nuked himself

[gusty pelican]

I've noticed enemies love tripwiring themselves alot

-sets up tripwires

...Swat!

-trips the trap trying to flank us

[short topaz]

What else do you expect from an AI system that still hasn't really been improved?

[storm belfry]

Not much

[deep patio]

Yet my expectations still are too high. Somehow.

[storm belfry]

you expected ANYTHING

[deep patio]

Touché

[storm belfry]

[deep patio]

TOC, I'm breaking the Geneva Convention

[storm belfry]

Cobalt sea that fucker

[eternal crow]

so when is the physical copy coming? is it gonna get randomly delayed another month?

[storm belfry]

best I can do I extra year long delay and and one 5.7 round

[eternal crow]

😐

lol

[gusty pelican]

Somehow still more useful than the actual gun

[storm belfry]

got a hammer and every bullet is usable

[gusty pelican]

Nobara Kugisaki ahh

[tranquil hull]

Greased palms has been S ranked

[toxic harness]

Standard or Hard?

[stone bay]

I too would like to know this.

[real frigate]

I FINALLY GOT THROUGH GREASED PALMS HOLY FUCK

THAT SUCKED

[tranquil hull]

Standard, fuck s on hard, I’m gonna do a normal hard run

[floral gorge]

@static imp lspd jacket.

i forgot the mod name, but its surely contains base game officer clothing

[static imp]

From Ballistic?

[floral gorge]

do not know

[brave moth]

How long can a person c-lamp until the barrel is too hot?

[floral gorge]

until their hands tired

[true orbit]

guys

what if future missions involve putting up a fight against rogue police forces

just like the secret service in that hotel mission

[floral gorge]

we already have that.

[toxic harness]

You're not done in hell...

[floral gorge]

the bolton guys. and that USIA guys

[true orbit]

Bolton doesn’t count?

[toxic harness]

Are you referring to the og "Checkin Out", Sins of the Father or what?

[true orbit]

lmao I’m talking about sheriffs, state troopers

[floral gorge]

bolton security consist of retired military & law enforcement

why though?

doesnt fit the narrative.

[true orbit]

Doesn’t the narrative surround a lot of corruption and dystopian shit?

[floral gorge]

yeah.

[true orbit]

yeah…we know FISA is corrupted. Surely the LSPD must have some corruption going on

[floral gorge]

uh-uh

[true orbit]

yeah whatever the mission is called lmao

In terms of AI…well we know the AI is buggy as shit

[toxic harness]

Checkin Out has those Neo Bikers while Sins of the Father are still Left Behind folks

[true orbit]

Eh, I should’ve been more specific. I’m only talking about the “active” personnel. Not “ex” personnel

“Oh there’s an active sheriff team covering up their dirty crimes and operations? LSPD swat gotta deal with them”

[silent snow]

Anyone else have the glitch where you switch your flashlight attachment to a lazer pointer and it still uses a flashlight attachment even though it says you have a lazer pointer attached and if you remove all attachments it still uses a flashlight on the gun but only on the non lethal assault rife

[clear bison]

max payne in ron?

[storm belfry]

@clear bison did you just encounter a rock singer in twisted nerve?

[clear bison]

yeah lol

[real frigate]

This game is hilarious I stg

[ancient wave]

will there ever be a mode where its fully multiplayer and you can play as the bad guys?

[real frigate]

I doubt it. There would be way too much developer work.

That and room size would have to be HUGE.

[floral gorge]

depends

[toxic harness]

If you're asking for PVP mode, it would be very difficult to balance the gameplay overall

[floral gorge]

but you can play as "the" bad guys by ignoring whatever morale system you believe, ingame.

-500

[toxic harness]

But I do wish we can play as suspects and we must defend hostages from being rescued

[toxic harness]

"STAND DOWN OFFICER! YOU ARE MAKING IT WORSE THAN BEFORE!"

[floral gorge]

yeeah i miss the old toc sound

[toxic harness]

I think it's cuz the original ToC VA didn't want to be involved or something happened to him where we get a new one

[copper cypress]

How much do individual suspects' morale and stress increase or decrease when they see their companions being arrested?

[toxic harness]

If arrested alive, the suspect's morale doesn't increase that much compared to killing their buddies. Their morale can still increase with loud noises (gun shots being the loudest in the game)

[copper cypress]

BTW, Each suspect seems to react differently to seeing their companion being arrested, right?

[uncut widget]

depends who they are

Veterans, just thugs and drug dealers

[copper cypress]

Veterans： 🤨(Quiet walk)
Agent: 🤯(Fire at will)

[uncut widget]

Agent on separating your butts

[uncut widget]

Have you completed all hard missions for S?

[copper cypress]

[short topaz]

Same here.

[minor cedar]

But true 🥹❤️‍🩹

[foggy sentinel]

how do i get mods in ready or not

[floral gorge]

currently, all ingame modifications are circulating only in website called "nexusmods".

if outside of that, then dont.

but yeah. steam workshop when?

[foggy sentinel]

is it liek curse forge?

where it auto attaches the files

or is there a mod folder

[gritty star]

Most mods are pak files, and go in the PAK folder. If it doesn't go there, usually there will be a read me as to where to put it

[haughty oriole]

I never paid attention to it but do the Russians in hide and seek have hidden armor?

Because the JHP to some of them don't do much especially the ones in the yellow

[misty island]

Is gas still bugged in this game? I am talking about the new M23A1 - the gas seems do nothing at all. And what about peper spray - it has long "stream", but seems to do noting. And normal gas grenades seems to do nothing. Wasn't the gas fixed? Or si it another VOID "fix", where eeverything is broken and they do not care?

[gusty pelican]

Gas is still garbage for now

[misty island]

How does peper spray work? I used it once, was peper spraying a suspect (map was Beach) and he did noty care at all.

[floral gorge]

nope. you put the mods manually

into the paks folder

also, i just realize that our character been walking around the police station... without trigger discipline

daddy judge's finger was always on the trigger

except when reloading the gun

they gotta fix it now.

also make p320 has chance to discharge randomly

[gusty pelican]

Guess being a mentally corrected supercop fried his brain into always being ready to kill

[obsidian frigate]

Any reasons I should use stingers over flash?

[charred birch]

It’s more efficient in larger rooms/open areas compared to flashes ; it’s also harder (I believe) to cause friendly fire with them. But I never really noticed a significant difference in efficiency between flashes and stingers

It’s all up to you honestly 😭

[obsidian frigate]

Ah

[deft night]

They have 2m more radius and more damage.

But flashes do not cause friendly fire with recent patch.

[obsidian frigate]

Gotcha, appreciate it

[spiral tundra]

Also stingers may incapacitate or kill if the person is already damaged

[gusty pelican]

If only you could fastball it into their head to kill em

[spice idol]

flash grenades actually got buffed you can’t get FF penalties with them anymore

only stingers cause FF the only benefit they have over flashes are more range

[sonic sinew]

all the women have no necks in this game

[shell bridge]

why can we take more than 1 lockpick gun?

[gusty pelican]

To rotate them incase one breaks

[shell bridge]

lockpick guns break?

[gusty pelican]

Yep

Happend too many times to me during missions

[floral gorge]

what

i never knew that

[shell bridge]

well shit maybe I have a mod that removes that feature, because I don't think I have ever had a lockpick gun broken

[floral gorge]

lspd so defunded that they gotta buy stuff from teému

[gusty pelican]

All the budget went towards ammo

[torpid onyx]

ive lockpicked hundreds of doors with a lockpick gun and never seen it break

and that's unmodded

[gusty pelican]

Ah you must clean and care for your lockpick that's really nice

[floral peak]

how its goin chat

[spice idol]

do the ai actually use the lockpick gun if you give them it, or do they just hand pick it like usual?

[torpid onyx]

I don't think it changes the lockpick time

[grave crown]

they dont use it

[torpid onyx]

it would be handy if it did but I tried and it seemed to take as long as normal

[spice idol]

i have been wasting a slot for a very long time now

[torpid onyx]

I wish it did just cos I need an excuse to use up the slots in my teams Loadout because turns out having 65 slots is too many for single player

I have like 10 flashbangs on one guy with a flash launcher too and I have a guy with like 7 pairs of wedges and a guy with like 8 C2 etc

[spice idol]

mods?

[torpid onyx]

no that's base game

I just don't give my team 13 mags of ammo so they have tons of slots left over to just stack ungodly levels of equipment since like I can just allocate each person to a specific type of equipment

[gusty pelican]

The most you'd ever really need is like 3-4 for the main weapon tbh

[torpid onyx]

yeah

[gusty pelican]

Even then they still don't use too much ammo

They're legit just walking backpacks for more flashes n shit

[torpid onyx]

and my shield guy has like 2 primary mags which are 50 round p90 mags and 5 secondary 20 round fiveseven mags because I just don't need his slots for anything else

[gusty pelican]

I usually give him 4 secondary and 3 main for his shottie

[torpid onyx]

they need to make gas good again so I can stack my team with gas too

[gusty pelican]

I miss wedging every entrance and flushing people out with gas...

[torpid onyx]

it was satisfying being able to gas people out

now it's so bugged and nerfed half the time it doesn't even work

[deep patio]

Tell me about it

I wish I could just gas an entire room like I should be able to

[gusty pelican]

Lspd wasted a chunk of budget on gas and gas masks atp

[torpid onyx]

now you have to deal with flashes where the guy can avoid it because he stood behind a indoor lamp pole that's 1cm wide

[deep patio]

I literally had that happen in hard Ides of March, the dude avoided the flashbang by being slightly behind a door frame 💀

Then proceeded to murder all 3 of us in 2 seconds flat

[torpid onyx]

it's a constant issue and why I hate flashes at times and want gas back

atleast with gas it meant if they were anywhere within the room regardless of LOS they were done

it makes some areas impossible to clear with flashes because of how complex the map geometry is and how dodgy the flashbang logic is

like the bottom floor of lethal obsession

[deep patio]

I always throw one and it does JACK FUCKING SHIT 💀

[gusty pelican]

They need to fix so much shit by now

[deep patio]

Literally give me back my CS Gas wtf

[gusty pelican]

I just want my dlc achievements to pop so i can have all of them done but nope... no joy

[deep patio]

I end up throwing either another flash or a stinger to try and stun them

[limber dagger]

After S ranking thrice in a row in an easier pace than I thought, my takeaway is when in doubt, bring the drum grenade launcher. When you have at least 2 AI running the same setup, you can get enough flash grenades for everyone.

[deep patio]

So cheese it with an OP weapon that the poor console peasants don't have 💀

[gusty pelican]

I always run the launcher with 2 drums

[torpid onyx]

why do south east Asia servers run at 500 ping for me despite SEA servers normally running like 150 ping in most other games I play

mfw

[deep patio]

Ain't this game P2P

[torpid onyx]

is it?

[limber dagger]

I remember reading that it is.

[torpid onyx]

ew

[limber dagger]

Idk why they had to make the weird paywall thing for the grenade launcher, I thought you guys had that too.

[torpid onyx]

no wonder my connection is so flakey sometimes

[torpid onyx]

it will be available for all when the next DLC releases

[deep patio]

It is, your connection is dependent on the host's internet and location

[deep patio]

Microsoft and Sony pushed for Preorder bonuses

[torpid onyx]

i just got prefired by a suspect 🥀

[gusty pelican]

He evaded the update nerf

[spice idol]

Is there any actual specific coding for officer AI to “acknowledge” hostage situations? in my experience it doesn’t seem like they try to make a careful headshot or anything they usually just shoot through the hostage to kill the suspect

would be interesting if someone tested how much veteran affects their success rate with hostages

[gusty pelican]

I wish we could just add whatever traits we want at will in QP to test stuff tbh

I'd love to die at the beginning and see a full vet trait ai team go in alone

[buoyant pecan]

Need more missions

Hell, I’d even take reskins of previous missions set at different times of day lmao

[floral gorge]

check nexusmods. modders have uploaded legacy maps

[gusty pelican]

I'd like to see some of the older test missions

[floral gorge]

yes. its just uploaded recently into nexusmods

just sort by last updated and filter by map

[shell bridge]

Have shadows casted from flashlight always been blocky? Either I messed something up or never noticed how low res these flashlight shadows are.

[robust sundial]

Just a question, does grips in ron work or are they purely for cosmetics reason

[spice idol]

maybe that could be a cool free filler DLC. all the base maps but with their times of day swapped

[gusty pelican]

Nighttime Greased palms oh boy

[buoyant pecan]

First I need to build a PC cause installing non-workshop mods on steam deck is a pain in the ass lol

[buoyant pecan]

I want Carriers, Narcos and Valley at night

[spice idol]

Night Time Carriers Of The Vine would be a god tier halloween update. It’s already terrifying on Hard Mode when there’s a lone shotgun lady in the pitch black maze-like underground basement area weaving through it would freakish effectivess like a xenomorph alien

Imagine that but the whole map omg

[gusty pelican]

I hope we get a halloween pd map

Replace the coffee machine with a bucket of good ol candy

[buoyant pecan]

Halloween DLC would go so hard

• creepy abandoned theme park
• creepy abandoned hotel
• suburban neighborhood costume party gone wrong

And a few Halloween cosmetics

[charred birch]

They do work and as far as I know none of them are purely cosmetic

[buoyant pecan]

Also serial killer house level PLEASE

[quasi coral]

I've played between singleplayer and campaign, on the campaign(With Veteran) it seems they only blow the hostage one every 4 hostage situations(approximate)

I know this because I got Veteran quite early on into rhe game

[robust sundial]

thx

[quasi coral]

Where as on Singleplayer they barely actually save the hostage, it seems to be a 50% chance, though I can't really say.. I'm baseing it on experience.

[charred birch]

Oh and just so you know vertical grip is the one that reduces vertical recoil the most. I would honestly not bother with using any vertical grips on SMGs since they don’t suffer as much from it, but rather suffer from horizontal recoil

[jolly verge]

Veteran simply reduces swat ai accuracy cone, it's does not make them go for headshot in hostage situations, they scripted to shoot torso area only

[quasi coral]

Oh damn I must be lucky in campaign then

[digital finch]

Anyone else having their keybinds being reset to N/A everytime you boot up the game on console?

[spice idol]

I love the people who go out and painstakingly test weirdly specific stuff with AI. My understanding of Veteran was warped, I thought 2 was good enough and the rest was diminishing returns past that but 4 veterans is a massive difference

defintely gonna play around with 4 veterans on the larger maps to see how much more affective they are

[jolly verge]

Not worth it imo, unless you have no choice or just want to play fully lethal, other traits like negotiator, pacifier and armorer are far better

[spice idol]

ive already done all my sranks at this point its fun to just do gimmick meme runs like full lethal or weird loadouts

[toxic harness]

Yes

[charred birch]

Okay so is it considered normal for my team AI in VOTD to just refuse to follow my commands entirely ?

Because I’ve been trying to figure out where they went ; I couldn’t find them so I used the headcams and realized that they were just walking around the house going everywhere BUT towards me

[gusty pelican]

Think their pathing is just really fucky as per usual

[charred birch]

So the AI is even more fucked since I’ve never encountered that in my 600+ hours of playing (I used to be on PC), great

But at least they fixed boots ! Good job VOID !

[gusty pelican]

I've seen em go around the entire postal office cause an UNLOCKED door was closed and not opened

[charred birch]

I actually can not comprehend what the hell VOID is doing

I defended them SOOOOO much because I thought "Hey, console is new for them ; they collected a lot of money thanks to the console release. They’ll reinvest it and hire more qualified console developers so if we’re patient then things will be better !"

Well they got their money for sure but it seems they just fucked off now without fixing any of the major issues but only fixing a bunch of very small ones

[raven canyon]

what did the community manager do lmao?

[gusty pelican]

Sneeze really loudly during quiet time

[raven canyon]

rotten to the core

[gusty pelican]

We can expect an update around the 2026 dlc release atp

Where more shit is gonna break for sure

[charred birch]

Well I’ll be a happy girl if it fixes the issues that actually need fixing. But if you have to wait a year for issues that are nearly game breaking then that says plenty about the development team.

[patent plover]

I really didn't think that one of the most annoying glitches is the one where bullets are floating lol

[gusty pelican]

I just want my fuckin achievements to pop properly

[charred birch]

That’s exactly what I’m saying because how does a patch make things WORSE

[patent plover]

I'm really happy it came to console.. just not how it did

[gusty pelican]

A singular pair of boots clipping was fixed!!!!!!!! Nowyourgasandaiarebroken

[patent plover]

😂

[gusty pelican]

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd bulletcasingsaregoingtofloat

[charred birch]

I find it disgusting that now all you can do is.. Well not use some core mechanics of the game because they fucked it !

[gusty pelican]

ANNNNNND trophieswontpop

[patent plover]

But hey

Those boots?

That you never see? Yeah they don't clip anymore

[charred birch]

We fucked the team AI ? Oopsie daisy our bad, anyway lol just wait until 2026 and in the meantime stop using the main mechanic of the game and do the missions solo

[patent plover]

Yeahhhh

I literally started running shit by myself because of how bad it is

[charred birch]

We fucked the gas ? Ah our bad, just be a good boy/girl and use flashes and stingers instead ! In 2026 we MIGHT start considering fixing it !

[patent plover]

My favorite thing is how I'll shoot a dude 12 times in the chest/neck/head and he won't go down 😂

[gusty pelican]

Godbless shotguns

[charred birch]

The game shits the bed and decides to soft lock because we made it so that the last civilian in Neon Tomb is bugged and can NOT surrender 3/4 of the time ? Skill issue lmfao

[patent plover]

Godbless

[patent plover]

You can find them?

[gusty pelican]

Fuck that glitch so much oh my god

I love my team and hate them for trying to defuse the bomb

[patent plover]

Oh yeah you know how you just SS ranked Valley of the Dolls? Well actually that gun is gonna clip through the ground as you're securing it and not pop

[charred birch]

You can NOT tell me cutting the game’s size is half is accidental

There is no way it wasn’t done in purpose because oh mind you the graphics are fucked as well !

[gusty pelican]

I love RoN but goodlord they need to just do their job that pays bills and fix it

[patent plover]

Ok I hate the film grain too

And depth of field

Can't see anything more than 10 feet in front of me

[charred birch]

They got an INSANE amount of money thanks to the console release if they don’t reinvest it in order to actually make the game work correctly then they will lose the very little respect I have left for them

[patent plover]

Yeah I agree

[charred birch]

But what can I do apart from being a good girl and waiting until they start considering fixing anything relevant, am I right ?

[patent plover]

Agreed

[charred birch]

Anywhoozles VOID fix your game pretty please flutters eyelashes

[patent plover]

Lol

[gusty pelican]

I want my trophies...

[patent plover]

Speaking of Ready or Not

Ya'll up to game? 🤣

[gusty pelican]

I can be on ina minute

[patent plover]

Bet

What VC?

[gusty pelican]

Any is good

[patent plover]

US 10

How long you gonna be?

[gusty pelican]

Probably another 5 i'm just cleaning up somethin real quick

Whats your epic games user?

[patent plover]

IVALD1_

[storm belfry]

Void might be gay

[charred birch]

Is VOID genderfluid ?

[storm belfry]

Is VOID gendergas?

[charred birch]

HELP MEEEEE

[storm belfry]

(speaking arabic)

[toxic harness]

HM reference in my RoN server?! (minus the pixelated art)

[toxic harness]

Void should recognize folks who Hard S rank every mission

[copper basin]

sorry if this is brought up all the time how do you see things in this game?

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-441666516964176409

[copper basin]

the glass in the diner of 4u gas, the railings on megabyte, any grass or bush

i cant see the people 1 tapping my ironman runs

i've tried editing the engine ini files with normal unreal engine commands to improve visibility but didnt really get anywhere

[storm belfry]

My fucking heart skipped a beat

Trying to do elephant and I managed to defuse the bomb with like 15 SECONDS ON THE CLOCK!

[spiral tundra]

Nice

You wanna play?

[storm belfry]

I'm doing my Hard S Rank run

and I gotta control my heart beat again, gotta be cool whenever I was just cheering like I landed a man on the moon

There's FIVE shooters on Elephant

someone lied about the 4 shooter figure

[stable kernel]

VOID does a little trolling on hard mode

[storm belfry]

clearly, it was just a little trolling... just a little...

[floral peak]

Yeah, a little

[scarlet flax]

Yeah the drive by shootings from 6 dudes piling through a doorway on Stolen Valor is a nice touch.

Like that detail a lot.

[stable kernel]

Gangsters in LS have wall penetrating vision, don't you know

[scarlet flax]

*throws flashbang”

*suspects complain about flash”

Surely I can move now?

Moves in with buddy watching my back

Flashed suspects decide they didn’t like the flash and sprints through the doorway and full autos you while on the move with a mac-10 in each hand*

Lol how did I type the italics wrong on all that

[floral peak]

i love hard mode

This nice feeling when you being watched and shot through smallest holes imaginable

These guys really take "If theres a hole theres a way" seriously

[lone summit]

experience urban combat unseen since fallujah with this one step:

[scarlet flax]

It’s an experience for sure.

[stable kernel]

Now S rank all missions on hard

Without any milk

[scarlet flax]

That’s a rough one

[stable kernel]

[heavy prairie]

Is it possible to get s rank in the easiest difficulty

[silent oyster]

does multiplayer work for anyone?

[vague locust]

hard mode is peak, it just makes you waste an extra 5 seconds on each tripwired door so you cant just push and clear like a normal human being

very interesting design, very "difficult"

well, suits the people that like grindy bs as difficulty but damn its just annoying, lol. same design as current S ranks where you rng whether or not evidence bugs out instead of being actually difficult

[storm belfry]

it's fun for the first few levels

[toxic harness]

And made it more challenging that felt rewarding, even if there are no rewards for Hard S ranking every mission

[stable kernel]

The reward is the sense of pride and accomplishment

And the scrap value of any broken peripherals along the way

[fervent hinge]

Is it worth it to get the hard mode iron man mode and not losing a single officer achievement in one go

[gusty pelican]

Are you Ready?

[wind widget]

yes

[vague locust]

for saving time, ye. i think you also need to not lose a single one to unlock the cool watch, so its good for that cosmetic unlock

[fervent hinge]

Yeah those are all the ones I'm missing but man it's gonna be painful

[vague locust]

sounds like ron

i dont think im ever gonna try it until evidence glitching is nearly completely gone, would be nice to s rank ironman mode

[spiral tundra]

We need a mission where there’s a large map with just one suspect
-# I know there’s a mod for it but console

[simple dirge]

guys, I am approaching Carriers of The Vine for the first time...any quick hints? It took me 90 mins to complete the previous mission "Buy Cheap...", did it in one try...took it extremely slow and that's what I love of this game 🙂

[jolly verge]

Suspects have level 2 and level 3 armor on this mission, so you need AP ammo on P90, MP7, 5.56 or JHP on .300blk, 7.62x39, 7.62x51 caliber guns

[simple dirge]

Tnks! I thought AP on every weapon was the best and only choice to increase the “damage” …

[jolly verge]

Nope, AP on rifles only is against level 4 armor, using it on every mission is ineffective due to very low limb damage and stagger chance on flesh hit

Same thing with any other caliber that have JHP ammo capable of to pen some armor

[spiral tundra]

What does 5.56 JHP pen

[jolly verge]

Only level 2, any other rifle caliber pens up to level 3 with JHP

[spiral tundra]

When you enter the church be careful, they love to stand in the corners or be in large groups

Also flashes may get blocked by the benches if they’re in the corner as I found out the hard way when Elaine one tapped me there

Also there can be a few in the gardens with limited visibility so be careful there

Also they like using 7.62 rifles on practically full auto with no recoil

[jolly verge]

Suspects use accuracy cone system, there is no recoil, but they miss a lot of shots, especially at low range

[spiral tundra]

Yeah I just really noticed this on my hard s playthrough

Also just so happens to be where Elaine one tapped me cuz she was sat in the corner

Safe to say I had a tough time there

[simple dirge]

Holy shit, I’ve never understood nothing about the ammunition type….!!!

[spiral tundra]

Yeah, if you’re running AP always you’ll never really notice

[jolly verge]

Hard difficulty is just a joke, 50% faster RoF for suspects rifles

[spiral tundra]

I always run AP no matter map for some reason so armour doesn’t matter to me

[simple dirge]

So it’s like Somalia in 1993 🥶

[jolly verge]

Yeah, AKM shooting at 1000RPM killing you in nanoseconds

[spiral tundra]

Safe to say I had fun on hard S on neon and relapse

[simple dirge]

Btw, just got killed somewhere in the garden. Fuck.

[spiral tundra]

Yeah, I told ya

You’re better off flanking the garden from where you’d go to the church

Yes, you get forced into a single file, but you’ll surprise them

If you’re still struggling I always say this: trusty shield

Uh, my message just disappeared ok

[stone bay]

Any tips for Greased Palms? I’m having a bit of trouble with it.

[spiral tundra]

Clear entirety of outside first, then go back to start and clear left side of warehouse, then go to fisa office and upstairs, then just clear the rest

[simple dirge]

I think I've written a message against the rules, in that case I apologize to the moderators (it just disappeared after a notification 😮)

[spiral tundra]

How you getting on with carriers of the vine

@simple dirge

[mossy karma]

Is there a way to get the dlc guns on Xbox I bought the mission alpha pack but didn’t get them is there anything else I need to do

[simple dirge]

Badly, after clearing the entrance / main building I got lost in wedging the rooms and breaching the rooms, placed red team to cover some wooden stairs and meanwhile found one of the suspect witches and arrested her then found myself in some gardens and got shot to death. Shit escalated…

[spiral tundra]

Ah welp

I can try elaborate sorta

[simple dirge]

It’s a creepy mission, seems one of the last episodes of True Detective Season 1 …after this first try I quit 😬

[simple dirge]

Mine too…

[spiral tundra]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[rough needle]

unless im going up against armored targets i usually use jhp

[spiral tundra]

Idk I tend to just forget to switch round lol

[rough needle]

i have preset light and heavy combat loadouts for me and my entire team

[spiral tundra]

The building on left when you spawn @simple dirge

[rough needle]

and light uses hp heavy uses ap

[spiral tundra]

I tend to go through there, then cut across to other side of building

Then clear those rooms and go up into mini outside garden

[rough needle]

is dark waters worth it chat

[spiral tundra]

Then clear the room you go into, go outside then cut all the way back across and flank the greenhouse area

[simple dirge]

Ok, so the garage? And from there not entering the house but making my way thru the gardens?

[spiral tundra]

Then clear the cellar and main buildings

Then go church last

[simple dirge]

Got it

[spiral tundra]

It’s kinda hard to explain

But if you’re still struggling tomorrow afternoon gmt I’ll help if need be

[simple dirge]

Really appreciate man, thank you 🙂 !

[glass heart]

essentially: AP penetrates armor better, limb shots do substantially less damage, torso shots are almost the same as JHP
JHP does worse against armor but does a lot of limb damage, and slightly more torso dmg than AP

jhp also has higher arterial bleed chances

[spiral tundra]

Considering I normally just aim chest it doenst even matter to me either

[glass heart]

fair but you are always gonna get SOME flyers here and there

not that it ever becomes especially relevant

[rough needle]

does anyone else follow the spetsnaz school of hostage rescue

[glass heart]

depends

if i have just died a lot and im frustrated as hell i will

[twilit mulch]

aye, no hostages - no problems

[rough needle]

i do it a lot when i get startled

[glass heart]

this might be controversial but eliminating terrorists should be prioritized OVER saving lives

[storm belfry]

@glass heart clay the claymore!?

[glass heart]

this robs the terrorists of their leverage

[spiral tundra]

Honestly

[rough needle]

it depends

[glass heart]

im not saying go in like the spetsnaz, but dont avoid eliminating them quickly and violently for fear of hurting civilians

[storm belfry]

kill them both and the problem solves itself

[spiral tundra]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1414717560305221776 check out my second part of this

[rough needle]

ok i thought you meant go in like spetsnaz and thats way more reasonable

[stoic thistle]

The LSPD needs thermoberic rockets.

[twilit mulch]

🤣

[storm belfry]

Just nuke em and forget about it

[twilit mulch]

maybe MLO has them

[rough needle]

why not use flammable tear gas and then use incendiaries

[storm belfry]

JUST BURN DOWN THE BUILDING WHILE WE'RE AT IT!?

[rough needle]

the atf tried it and it worked super well

[rough needle]

yeah you get it

[twilit mulch]

speaking of ATF, would be cool if we got some more agencies to appear in RoN

[stoic thistle]

If Governor Whitfield got elected, the ROE would be far looser.

[twilit mulch]

even if just in the briefing

[rough needle]

we've got bortac postal inspectors and atf i think theres usms too

[glass heart]

reminds me of that one SEAL TEAM homewrecker scene

[rough needle]

they sll have their own fake names i forgot why

[rough needle]

having seal team 6 gear ingamr would be cool as fuck speaking of

[twilit mulch]

we have USIA, FISA and whatever Coastguard is called

[glass heart]

spoilers: ||FNG throws a thermobaric grenade into a room with a hostage bc he didnt see them and only saw his team take contact. This directly results in mission failure and his termination.||

[spiral tundra]

We need a war on terror dlc where LSPD swat D platoon becomes seals and hunts down the leaders of the hand

[glass heart]

hell yes

[rough needle]

COAST i think

[spiral tundra]

-# not linked to real events at all btw

[rough needle]

its state run though

[glass heart]

with frags and machine guns included

[rough needle]

we need frag grenades in the base game

[glass heart]

it would be more like the op on al baghdadi than osama really

[spiral tundra]

Honestly bro greased palms would become a breeze

[glass heart]

both in terms of violence and means

[spiral tundra]

I wanna have an osama dlc

[stoic thistle]

Suburban house raid where there only 3 bad guys, but also a bomb on a 1 to 2 minute timer.

[twilit mulch]

you mean the Elephant

[spiral tundra]

What if I wanna 12 gauge all his limbs off

[rough needle]

im tired of dying in that fucking post office map can we get a btr

[glass heart]

if we are talking a small iraqi home this would be really quick

[spiral tundra]

Can we just get a T72A on greased palms? Like cmon

[glass heart]

civilian deaths ❌
acceptable collateral damage ✅

[glass heart]

beslan siege moment

[rough needle]

i wish you got extra ai on maps like greased palms

[stoic thistle]

I'm thinking American home, in a Los Suenos suburb. Maybe a dormant Hand cell.

[rough needle]

might just find a mod that adds a third team tbh

[glass heart]

rapid deployment bomb defusal could be nice yeah

[twilit mulch]

or you can play with up to 15 friends

[rough needle]

but commander mode

[glass heart]

i would like for the game to explore barricaded shooters more

[tropic siren]

trying to do the hermit achievement how do i AVOID getting evaporated on Greased Palms

[spiral tundra]

I feel like we need an elephant map but instead it’s almost the whole college instead of just the science wing, and you get way longer and there’s the same amount of suspects, just like 1 in each wing

[glass heart]

granted the game being set in the US might make some of this implausible

[twilit mulch]

like A Lethal Obsession only bigger?

[tropic siren]

it seems like every time i open the FISA office he is there to execute me

[glass heart]

i was thinking of machine gun positions and other DFPs in structures

[spiral tundra]

Also this would just be a more realistic version

[stoic thistle]

Eh, that's pretty similar to Relapse.

[spiral tundra]

4 shooters across a whole campus?

I think relapse has more

[glass heart]

if we are raiding a hand hideout instead of just a place they took over it makes sense for them to have prepared the area in anticipation of our arrival

[twilit mulch]

yes! Sounds like a United Planet Front mission!

[stoic thistle]

I thought you meant 4 in each section.

[spiral tundra]

Terrorist organisations aren’t this smart

[spiral tundra]

No 1 in each section. Makes it way more liminal and stressful

[rough needle]

isnt the hand iraq war veterans

[twilit mulch]

Yemeni

[glass heart]

no thats the left behind

[spiral tundra]

Never said that anywhere

[rough needle]

whatever same thing

[glass heart]

the hand are yemenis

[rough needle]

yeah they are

[spiral tundra]

They’re just Yemenis who signed up due to US bombings

[glass heart]

it depends which organiation you are talking about

[rough needle]

i think most terrorists ingame are pretty organizrd

[glass heart]

considering they had the organization and know-how to orchestrate large scale attacks thousands of miles from home id say the hand is pretty organized

[spiral tundra]

There’s a famous example where the leader of a very big organisation was caught with his pants down

[glass heart]

not AQ or IS level, but better than just a bunch of guys angry at the US

[twilit mulch]

unless logistics for them were done by someone else

[spiral tundra]

Yeah I presume these dudes got some gun training seeing how they killed so many so quickly

[twilit mulch]

so many unarmed quickly

[glass heart]

you can see some of these techniques in real attacks

namely oct 7th, fighters were spotted using a c-clamp

[spiral tundra]

Still takes skill to not get overwhelmed or lose control of the gun

[rough needle]

c clamp is mainstream shit

[glass heart]

for the west yes i know it is

[spiral tundra]

Considering on the calls it sounds like they’re firing in full auto

[glass heart]

for a terrorist organization it means they are more disciplined than most

[rough needle]

when i went to a gun range when i was 11 and shot my first gun they told me to use a c clamp

so i dont think its super obscure delta force stuff

[twilit mulch]

they're not all true believers, you can hear them saying as much in the hospital

[stoic thistle]

The Hand are cowards.

[glass heart]

im pretty sure thats just a gameplay compromise

[spiral tundra]

They’re crazy loyal in neon and it kinda collapsed in relapse since they lost so many in neon

But relapse hard mode is quite the opposite, they still charge at you with bomb vests

[twilit mulch]

I'll bet my salary that the Spider (organisation) got The Hand to US

[upper trellis]

Where da dlc at

[glass heart]

they wouldnt send anything but the most loyal on a mission that means certain death or capture

[rough needle]

every terrorist group that goes after civilians are pussies

[spiral tundra]

They sent all they could

[upper trellis]

[spiral tundra]

After relapse they have about 20 members left in the USA, or below

[rough needle]

LMAO

[glass heart]

and im not saying it is, im saying its notable that a terrorist organization actually taught it when their firearms handling skills have usually been uhhhh ''questionable'''

[spiral tundra]

That’s ONLY in the US cell

They probs have more in Europe and Middle East

[twilit mulch]

hey that's not our (LSPD) problem

[spiral tundra]

Just saying I rumour that the hand have gun training since it still takes some skill not to lose control of a gun or get overwhelmed by others, especially as in the calls it sounds like full auto

Which if you’ve ever fired a full auto AK before

[spice idol]

i think stolen valor would be similar to lethal obsession’s scenario. you’ve got the ex veteran in a crazy room with traps everywhere.

[glass heart]

shooting into a crowd of trapped civilians must still not be that hard

[glass heart]

hes actually not a veteran

hence the name lol

[spiral tundra]

Well you could presume security mayve tried to overwhelm them, or some of the stronger bunch there

[twilit mulch]

aye

[glass heart]

nobody is running to stop men with automatic rifles unless they have training or rifles themselves

[rough needle]

very difficult

[spiral tundra]

I think it’s a better option stronger people may take if they’re trapped and there’s nowhere else

And the security dudes look kinda buff

[twilit mulch]

they're just simple bouncers

[glass heart]

i dont know, in real life mass executions people usually didnt try to fight back even when the guy next to them was getting shot in the head and they KNEW they were next

maybe something unconscious about still trying to avoid death

[spiral tundra]

I mean, it’s kinda headcanon but you can look at how these dudes be gunslinging against you even

[spice idol]

well he’s crazy and barricaded himself at least

[glass heart]

because resisting is a sure way to die, whereas hiding might not

[twilit mulch]

aye, such as the most recent terrorist attack similar to that scenario - Crocus City Hall attack

[spiral tundra]

They can definitely use that gun well

[glass heart]

have they put the perps out-back yet

or are they still alive

last i saw of them they were in very bad shape

[twilit mulch]

we'll never know

[glass heart]

im pretty sure they got a bullet to the head by now

theres at least one thing russia did right

[twilit mulch]

they got everything out of them first that's for sure

[spiral tundra]

But also in relapse I presume they’d at least have some armed security in a hospital

[glass heart]

depends on the hospital really

[spice idol]

code wise is there a notable difference in weapon performance between AI? such as accuracy. at least on hard mode it doesn’t feel like say the gas station criminals are any less deadly with their guns in comparison to say the left behind or the triad pmc

[glass heart]

but if its LS im betting on yes

[twilit mulch]

aren't there bodies of security guards on Relapse?

[glass heart]

the suspects use an accuracy cone, they dont have recoil or weapon specific accuracy

[spiral tundra]

I mean, you can also presume they might put some in after seeing what happened at neon and how they target populated areas

And also they KNOW they have a leader of a US cell in there so I presume they’d put some in

[glass heart]

on hard their dispersion is 2,5, down from about 3,5 in standard

this makes a big difference

[spice idol]

i know but do they all have the same cone accuracy or are some together than others?

[glass heart]

and to my knowledge they ALL have about the same cone

[spiral tundra]

But yeah your hospital probably needs some security if they got a hand leader in there, but it’s common sense right?

[twilit mulch]

must've been FISA

[spice idol]

thats a really odd choice from the devs in my opinion

[glass heart]

you should check the spreadsheet by MMMM if you want more indepth info

[twilit mulch]

got a link?

[spiral tundra]

Also is it just me who thinks that the shooters in elephant shouldn’t be so heavily armed unless they’re in ties with a larger organisation

[glass heart]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=497056443#gid=497056443

[twilit mulch]

that one reeks of USIA

[spiral tundra]

Like they got strongest armour at hand, fully modified military grade rifles and other pistols

[twilit mulch]

thanks mate! 🫡

[glass heart]

surely real feds would never arm and radicalise potential shooters

out of the realm of possibility for sure

[spiral tundra]

[twilit mulch]

[spiral tundra]

Hm.. hmm..

But yeah no way these college kids got access to this bruh

[glass heart]

what do we think about the uhhhh ''M240 theory''

i'd say its implausible considering how it actually went down

[spiral tundra]

What’s that again

[glass heart]

i wouldnt put it past any fed tho

[stoic thistle]

Remember, your actions, have no consequences.

[glass heart]

las vegas 2017 shooting

people were theorizing that the shooter had a 240 (provided ofcourse by you know who) instead of an AR with a bumpstock

[spiral tundra]

Never really heard about it

[spiral tundra]

Surely you can get a m240 from elsewhere

[glass heart]

yeah but the people saying it say it for this reason

to imply he was armed and sent out to do this

[spiral tundra]

Idk

One of the things I most want in this game is making the evidence legible, like giving a little text thing next to it or over it to read it

[spice idol]

oh wow i never realized MMMM was the one that made the spreadsheet lol

[stable kernel]

How do you think he got so jaded at RoN mechanics

#1 ron hater

[spiral tundra]

Can you ask him to make a spreadsheet explaining how I died to a trap for the 500th time?

[spice idol]

i kinda don’t blame him it made me sad when a lot of the ai officer customization doesn’t matter much

[spiral tundra]

I wanna know the exact details on this grenade.

[spice idol]

and it blew my mind when he revealed weapon velocity doesn’t actually exist even though some suppressors have descriptions for them

[stable kernel]

It explodes

[spiral tundra]

Uhhh

When will we be able to rip the grenade off the wall then throw it at suspects

[glass heart]

''hey shitbird, catch!''

[spiral tundra]

I mean, we’d probably explode seeing how quickly this thing explodes

[glass heart]

actually yeah wtf is up with that

[spiral tundra]

It has a fuse time of like 0.5 seconds

[glass heart]

its just a normal RGD-5, they have normal handheld fuse times

did they modify the mechanism

[stoic thistle]

"Judge, why did you throw explosive potential evidence at a suspect?"
"The intrusive thoughts won"

[spiral tundra]

Honestly I’d like to see a mechanic where you get a split second to dive away from a trap door and you’ll get a arm / leg injury from falling and shrapnel

[glass heart]

couldnt you just cheese grenade doors a bit

if you did this at every door

ig it depends how bad you get hurt while doing it

[ionic gale]

[spiral tundra]

Eh, maybe like a random chance at each trap door

[ionic gale]

Hi

[crude prism]

no relation

[spiral tundra]

Like if you do it repeatedly eventually you’re legs will be too worn out and you can’t dive anymore, or if your legs are shot up already

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-cheer-number-one-patrick-star-gif-14734982

[deep patio]

"Sir, I nailed the Quick Time Event"

"Judge, you killed three civilians and a suspect with that grenade"

[spiral tundra]

Actually ima make a suggestion

[stoic thistle]

You mean 4 suspects.

[glass heart]

ron man i have a strange question

does the game make ANY distinction for the prosthetic legs on ides of march

do they bleed and dismember the same as any other

[jolly verge]

[crude prism]

I probably should know this, I don't actually know off the top of my head. I'm sure we tested it at some point

[stable kernel]

They do not take damage

Or they shouldn't, there is code for it

[glass heart]

thats neat

[spice idol]

are suspects able to “see” ai officer flashlights, or can they only see yours?

[spiral tundra]

Do they stumble if it’s hit?

Or flinch

[jolly verge]

There are two suspects with prosthetic leg, one do have hitbox on it, other one do not

[glass heart]

if it doesnt take damage then probably not (for the no hitbox variant)

[stable kernel]

Now that is a VOID implementation

[spiral tundra]

It’s kinda a reflex to flinch when shot at tho

[crude prism]

afaik they can only see yours, but this was reworked recently so no clue

if I had to guess, AI don't actually have "flashlights" that are casting the same way that player lights do

[spiral tundra]

Bro I’ve never had a suspect run out on me cuz my flashlight idk

[glass heart]

shot yes, shot at (assuming training) i wouldnt always say so

[spiral tundra]

I tend to turn off my flashlight when I look at doors tho

[glass heart]

light discipline is good

[rough needle]

can suspects see your flashlights and lasers?

[spiral tundra]

Only flashlight

[glass heart]

i do it even in games where it does not matter

[rough needle]

ok good cuz i dont use flashlights but i use the fuck out of lasers

[spice idol]

My understanding was that they will audibly react to flashlights but aren’t “alerted”. Don’t quote me on it though in my personal experience I don’t think there’s ever been a time I’ve been spotted with it on

[glass heart]

they go to a suspicious state