👮ron-discussion

[pine drum]

Well except for certain levels for non-lethal... That's where the BS comes in

[bitter mason]

Im just not really a fan of the slot system

doesnt make much sense to me

But I like being able to take more than I really need tbh

rationing grenades is annoying when they dont work half the time

[pine drum]

🤷

It's part of the reason I take the launcher with me

[bitter mason]

fair
I always struggle to find a use for the launchers

mainly because I use gunfighter and get those sweet sweet 25 equipment slots

Its nice for those open areas but theres just not that many that are so open I need a launcher

Also I feel like SMGs should maybe get 2 mags for the cost of 1 slot but im not sure if that would be balanced

[bitter mason]

just checking out that mod now
The modded SF10 has the straps going all around the head but its also too low down same with the vanilla one unfortunately
its just you dont really tell as much because of the tinted lenses

[waxen slate]

Does anyone have like a map or guide on how to find all evidence objects?

[bitter mason]

what level

[waxen slate]

23 Megabytes a second, cannot find any on there

[limber night]

It's all in the apartments of the main suspect and the bitcoin mine

[waxen slate]

I cannot find the anime figure in the bathroom, either im blind or im looking in the wrong room

[limber night]

in the apartment it's his pc and pics next to his bed

[waxen slate]

thats the soft objectives

[limber night]

Ohhh that you get after the mission

[waxen slate]

Oh, do you not have to find them?

[bitter mason]

yeah you dont need to collect things to get the evidence in the locker

you just get them for finishing missions

[limber night]

Nah, they're there once u finish the mission. just go to the evidence room

[waxen slate]

oh lmao i guess i got gaslighted by someone

[tacit gull]

They do appear based on rank

[bitter mason]

ah I figured it was just for finishing

[tacit gull]

every rank above c gives you a new piece i think

[limber night]

So basicially if you have more than 5 braincells you'll get it

[bitter mason]

dont be the guy who shoots everyone in a map and goes "Why is my score so low?"

[waxen slate]

eh, the thing is, i shoot civs who dont listen

[limber night]

Then don't :3

[waxen slate]

if i tell them to get down like 5 times and they suddenly stand up or walk towards me i shoot them

[bitter mason]

civs usually jsut give up the instant I get close to them

[pine drum]

I actually want one thing from SWAT 4 in RoN

[bitter mason]

its not hard to tell civs and suspects apart

yeah civs are just pointless rn

[waxen slate]

i mean i know they are a civ but if they still dont listen i just shoot them

[pine drum]

Not really...

[waxen slate]

if they suddenly start running i shoot them

[bitter mason]

asside from being an obstacle

[limber night]

Civs never have a weapon on them, so you don't have to be so shooty shooty pew pew

[bitter mason]

They're functionality isnt very well done they just stand around for the most part

[waxen slate]

yk i actually managed to not shoot them last time,

[bitter mason]

and get in the way

[waxen slate]

BUT
FOR SOME REASON THE AI HAD TO KILL ONE

[pine drum]

Bro hasn't heard of Tennessee vs Garner

[pine drum]

Or getting executed.

[bitter mason]

in the rare cases

[pine drum]

Unless you're on the Seraglio, then they get executed no matter what you do.

Unless you get lucky

[waxen slate]

he wasnt running away he was running to ME

[pine drum]

Part of the reason why I always give Sah'id only one warning before he gets a 45 JHP to the knee.

[bitter mason]

funny how the civies also slam doors open with their minds like suspects do
really need some animations for NPCs opening and closing doors

[limber night]

Pres B or tase em then

[pine drum]

Or pepper spray... Pepper spray seems to convince them pretty quickly just from pulling it out.

[limber night]

I forget that item even exists

[bitter mason]

a civilian isnt going to pose a threat to you...
unless they're Daniela Voll...

[pine drum]

But yeah, I wish RoN had the SWAT 4 where you can just walk up to unarmed individuals and force arrest them.

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-memes2022funny-meme-face-punch-gif-25436787

Daniella voll during 1.0

[limber night]

Fr

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure that was not a thing

[amber dock]

Mohammed Ali punch

[pine drum]

Another person who gets a kneecapped if her ass doesn't comply.

[limber night]

I think it was a part of that one mod

[pine drum]

I'm pretty sure I saw it during a gameplay video.

[tacit gull]

It was not part of SEF

[bitter mason]

the current morale and surrendering seems to want to be more dynamic than SWAT 4s
If someone was resisting in SWAT 4 you HAD to lower their morale before it rolled for another compliance check
Ready or not you can just spam

[pine drum]

The fuck is SEF?

[bitter mason]

Force arrest is a feature in the First Responders mod

[tacit gull]

in RON you just yell once and everyone gives up if they're a civ

[bitter mason]

but I believe it gives you a penalty for doing it so its pointless

[tacit gull]

just walk up to them lmao

[pine drum]

Ah.

[tacit gull]

I think it got removed

[bitter mason]

Ah

I dont play first responders
it makes all of the suspects stupid

they keep running out of hiding towards me like lemmings and they all die

[tacit gull]

But yeah, if civilians were actually resistant in RON there would be a reason for the pepper spray to exist at all

[bitter mason]

much like ron

[limber night]

Yeah then idk

[pine drum]

Again, pepperspray seems stupid effective on civs because 90% of the time you don't even need to use it. Just whip it out and they surrender. Also fun little trick, it seems suspects are more likely to surrender if you point a lethal weapon at them first, then pull out a tazer.

[tacit gull]

And it would be nice if civs had actual unique behaviours for resisting instead of always resisting for 1 or 2 shouts then giving up

[tacit gull]

Not related

Surrenders are basically on a timer for civs

[limber night]

My fav one is the selfie

[bitter mason]

Yelling the most vile curses at you then you take one step and they go "IM sorrryyy save me pleaase waa waa"

[pine drum]

Yeah idk about that.

[tacit gull]

They are

[bitter mason]

Like if they're going to be an ass like commit got damn

[tacit gull]

yell once and they will give up after like 3 seconds

[bitter mason]

You just have to get close to a civ and they will surrender

very lame AI

[tacit gull]

So dynamic!!!

[pine drum]

Even then, I'd imagine there are modifier.

[tacit gull]

the modifiers don't do anything

[pine drum]

Also, I give every 3 seconds to surrender, suspects included. Then they get LTL.

[tacit gull]

There is this overly complex system for morale and everything, doesn't matter

it's tuned to the point where it's not noticable

the AI will always act the same

[bitter mason]

I remember some civies in dorm being more resistant and needing pepper spraying but Idk if that still happens

I dont even use vanilla AI most of the time because it stinks

[pine drum]

It does... They are a pain in the ass to deal with.

[tacit gull]

It's better in this update, still not good but better

[bitter mason]

I like the hesitating surrenders but weirdly they almost feel forced

[pine drum]

Especially with how often the shooters like to fucking ambush you.

Or run BEHIND CIVILIANS

[bitter mason]

Like the suspect only surrendered because of the hesitate RNG and not because of the compliance check RNG

[tacit gull]

yeah

Also the fact they just revert to old surrender anims

It feels so out of place

[bitter mason]

Yeah lol

[tacit gull]

like actually legoed together

[bitter mason]

the super twitchy movement often gets me shooting them when I dont expect it lol

[tacit gull]

Also the fact it just doesn't work when they dont hesitate

you get penalized after they fire a shot

[stone bay]

Hello, random question: is the taser facing issues while playing online/as non-host? I just tested it on a couple solo missions and it didn't appear to be inconsistent as whenever I play in someone else's lobby, thanks.

[tacit gull]

Yes

[pine drum]

IDK how many times I've shot suspects because their dumbasses go from slowly lowering their weapons, to throwing their guns... But it's a lot

[tacit gull]

It has problems for clients

Host can use it just fine

[stone bay]

Ahh I see, that explains it all, thank you 👍

[bitter mason]

we have to stop talking about surrender animations and hesitating or Ill start gushing over SWAT 4 some more

[pine drum]

Don't want that, because you'll go back to yapping about equipment progression

[stone bay]

Don't remind me of those remaining civs pulling out their phones, only to realize you just screwed your S run by bashing them

[bitter mason]

🤤 mmm equipment progression

[bitter mason]

yeah its dumb because they are already surrendered during that animation
you can just zip them up during it

[stone bay]

Learned that the hard way, yep lol

[pine drum]

Also, I got S Rank on Seralgio with lethal weapons, because apparently that mission can spawn with as low as 4 suspects, and one is unarmed.

[bitter mason]

oh fr?

[pine drum]

Yeah

[stone bay]

Got a ss of that?

[bitter mason]

surprising that almost seems like an AI mod thing to do

[pine drum]

Nah, I have vanilla ai besides "bullets hurt now"

[bitter mason]

congrats void you held back on filling the boat with 20 heavily armed fanatics

[pine drum]

Realistically there should be at least 10 armed guards for a ship that size.

[tacit gull]

what is stun unique surrender animations

[stone bay]

Pretty sure a similar feature to "quick mission maker" will make an appearance in the future

[bitter mason]

🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

A quick mission maker would be very nice

Such a thing would have been a good excuse for them not to overpopulate some of the missions COUGH COUGH 23 megabytes COUGH COUGH

[tacit gull]

oh don't worry, i'm sure the new hard difficulty will just be suspect spam

where every suspect will use the squad behaviours (even the crackheads, what)

oh but not the guys on gas

[limber night]

Void is doing a big mistake with those difficulty options

[tacit gull]

for some reason

[tacit gull]

Yeah, i'm sure they will just overtune hard and the excuse will be "its hard bro just play on medium"

meanwhile medium is a cakewalk and half of the behaviours never show up

[limber night]

That's always the case with how harder difficulties work in games, it's so artificial it hurts

Which makes higher difficulties really unfun

[tacit gull]

They're making difficulties for everyone that will please almost no-one

[pine drum]

Funny how y'all get peak and still find a way to complain...

|| In all do seriousness, I acknowledge there could be some improvements. Especially for the Non-Lethal gameplay ||

[limber night]

Cuz it's not peak

[bitter mason]

Yeah Im worried they're going the wrong direction with the difficulty stuff

I just want the maps to have appropriate AI behaviours based off of the lore and realism

[pine drum]

Gotta appeal to the RoNsole crowd...

[bitter mason]

not just sadism simulator where you have to flick shot everyone otherwise they will mag dump you through a wall because they dont stop targeting you even when their line of sight is obstructed

[pine drum]

Again, MAKE LTL MORE BALANCED!

[bitter mason]

not even that the game could have always done with difficulty options I think
nothing wrong with letting people have their fun their own way and making room for those that arent as hardcore

But the way they're gonna do it I dont think will be right

[tacit gull]

Don't worry, the lore doesn't say what equipment they will have

actually now that i think about it

[limber night]

Issue is that current difficulty needs more polish, now image two more 💀

[pine drum]

Again, talking to a souls like player... So... I could care less.

[bitter mason]

exactly

[tacit gull]

what if the briefings are vague on purpose so they could implement the difficulties

[amber dock]

Man when we get a mission where we raid a military base and they call in a A10 and we have to fight it. Now we’re talking lore

[tacit gull]

which means the briefings are pointless

[limber night]

DLC3 for sure

a collab with ground branch

LSPD CAG goes to Ukraine to sabotage russians

[true saddle]

i just messed with that yesterday lol its so fun to put like 30 terrorists in a small map or put 20 lawrence fairfaxes with assault rifles in the map

[tacit gull]

gladys with an mp5

[pine drum]

I ain't gonna throw a hissy fit over difficulty levels, but I'm always gonna play traditional. Hell, I fucking hate commander mode, I only play quickplay mode to avoid the B.S of it.

[tacit gull]

based commander mode hater

[bitter mason]

real

Fuck commander mode all my homies hate that shit

[limber night]

My commander save is still at 0%

[true saddle]

true

[bitter mason]

I couldnt be bothered dealing with commander mode and I just stuck to quick play when I found out you can progress the same

[true saddle]

drywall personality teammates

[pine drum]

I only have a commander save because my shit got corrupted, and I needed a back up save from Nexus.

[bitter mason]

Words cannot describe how let down I was when 1.0 released lol

[pine drum]

Also, why would I play with anyone but the homies from early RoN?

[limber night]

many such cases

[pine drum]

Hey, at least they kept the original game mode. 🤷

[tacit gull]

my heart dropped the second the AI just stopped listening to commands on 1.0

[bitter mason]

I would take expanding and making actual characters out of the OG crew over the officer system of commander mode any day of the week.

[true saddle]

THIS

massive let down

[limber night]

I also liked old customization better with just complete set of cosmetics instead of invidual pieces

[bitter mason]

all we get is prescott saying how much he loves cheeseburgers from a diner...

[bitter mason]

Eh im a sucker for individual customisation so I appreciate it

I loooove tactical dressup

[pine drum]

They wanted to avoid plot armor for "realism" but really, does that matter?

[true saddle]

when they teased that i actually got excited and then playing it i realized it happens once maybe twice and is nowhere near swat 4

[bitter mason]

all of the swat team dialogue is one sided, theres no banter between them or anything

[true saddle]

“realism” but they make the oil rig mission a thing 😭

[limber night]

I mean it's fine n all, but cuz of that we got multiple cosmetics that aren't even matching with themselfes

[bitter mason]

and Judge still doesnt know how to report soft objectives

[tacit gull]

TRUE, fuck customization

[limber night]

We have like 5 different multicam variants in this game

[pine drum]

What's wrong with it? Other an jurisdiction issues that do get addressed.

[limber night]

And whatever Void considers to be OD green or RG

[bitter mason]

yeah biggest problem is mismatched stuff and the clipping is really bad sometimes

[limber night]

more than sometimes

[bitter mason]

Its way out of swats pay grade really

and the suspects im gonna be really are just kinda dumb

[limber night]

TRUE! They could've just release more complete outfits

[pine drum]

So... Like IRL oil protestors?

[limber night]

At least there would be some consitency

[true saddle]

nahhh i mean maybe it would be cool to have preset outfits based on the gear you unlock (fisa, the border control thingy etc) but at least let me change my watch 💔

[pine drum]

Well "extreme" oil protestors.

[bitter mason]

extremist environmentalists sure
but going straight to psychotic murderers just takes away from their character

[uncut dragon]

Question when are the update on the game generally ? How many by year ? With big content

[bitter mason]

RON struggles to find subtlty or gray morality

[true saddle]

buddy oil protesters are not killing oil rig workers in the middle of nowhere and holding an oil rig hostage

[limber night]

6 months then like every 3-4 months

[pine drum]

Yeah uh, idk how many times enviormentalist terror groups have shot at park rangers

[uncut dragon]

Oki thx u

[limber night]

Currently we're in 6 months point of updates

[pine drum]

They have shot at federal park rangers though.

[limber night]

Then maybe we'll enter the 3-4 months

[bitter mason]

how many times does that happen tho

[true saddle]

oil protesters?

[pine drum]

But yeah no, I feel like the series is leaning more towards police drama than "realistic police sim"

[fresh pine]

Nothing ever happens

[true saddle]

i thought they just throw tomato sauce at the mona lisa

[bitter mason]

you dont get huge organised groupes taking hostages on oil rigs and hanging them lmao

[pine drum]

Specifically green peace adjacent activist groups.

[bitter mason]

Ultimately I'd be fine with them if they didnt go overly edgy with them hanging the workers. Have them take hostages but bluffing or something

[true saddle]

ykw there was that one mission in swat 4 where angry terrorist farmers raid the department of agriculture LOL

[tacit gull]

we could have gotten the rain tarp uniform 😔

[limber night]

Tbh based

I'd do the same

[pine drum]

OK, I can see that shit actually happening

[limber night]

I mean farmers are known to protest quite alot

Europe is a good example

[bitter mason]

That missions also includes bombs one of which prematurly detonated blowing a big hole in the building

[fresh pine]

Muh farm. Muh pesticides

[pine drum]

I'll say this, it isn't uncommon for federal or state agencies to deputize local law enforcement when they don't have the resources to handle situations themselves... But tbh I think C.O.A.S.T is fucking stupid. Why the fuck don't they just do the USCG? Like even under a different name.

[limber night]

LSPD CAG

[bitter mason]

I think COAST is meant to be the coast guard

thats what I took it as

[pine drum]

Well they're supposed to, but instead of being Federal, they're a state agency.

[bitter mason]

I do like the idea of RON sort of branching into more than just metropolitan swat in a way

[limber night]

IT SUCKS

[shell bridge]

Doesn't the main police station house a dedicated costal response unit? They had a briefing/training program in the underground area to the right of the combat training area.

[fresh pine]

LSPD cock. A Judge fan fic

[bitter mason]

so im not too miffed about dark waters really

[tacit gull]

It would have been nice if we got a whole expansion playing as COAST instead of forcing D platoon in

[bitter mason]

I just think void need to learn to tone down with suspects
they have a good base for them and their motives, but their overal presentation just degrades them into being crazy psychos

[pine drum]

Which... Could make sense? But does that mean EVERY coastal state has a naval national guard branch? Some places straight up would NOT be able to afford that. Like Alabama and Mississippi for example

[fresh pine]

Dick platoon

[limber night]

Tbh I think RoN would be better as a game where you don't play as any unit and you can just make shit up or dress up as existing units ingame

[bitter mason]

even like some of the missions outside of the city, I do like to dress like county sheriffs for those missions

[limber night]

Cuz rn I'm gaslighting myself 24/7 that we don't play as SWAT

[true saddle]

dude my biggest complaint with rons writing is that its overly edgy especially after playing swat 4 but i dont want to glaze too much…

[shell bridge]

Or just have joint-agency missions like the lore already states we do

[bitter mason]

fr

SWAT 4s darkest missions hit harder when the previous ones held back

[fresh pine]

I feel that. The lore goes deep

[bitter mason]

RON is just non-stop edgy

[pine drum]

Some missions like the Gerard one feel like they'd be out of D Platoons jurisdiction and in the jurisdiction of either LS County or another agency entirely

[limber night]

Would be cool if it felt like it and not "Yeah sooo here's a yach, usually fbi or COAST takes care of that, but you're so CAG you can handle yourself"

[bitter mason]

FBI I think maybe fits for that map
Or FISA in lore

[fresh pine]

Alternate reality

[pine drum]

Again, there's an in lore reason. C.O.A.S.T being understaffed and a law passing allowing them to deputize, but I'd imagine they would just transfer national guard units at that point or deputize state police instead.

[shell bridge]

nah nah, the FBI is also on the boat, they are just doing something on the lower-lower decks, we never see them, we need to clear all suspects and collect all the evidence too while the TOC says FBI will take care of it. 10/10 immersion.

[limber night]

idc, it's still stupid and makes the game feel less like a SWAT game and more like R6

[bitter mason]

This is where judge being the main character kinda causes problems
the briefings for those missions could suggest you ARE COAST but just based temporarily in a LSPD station or something

[limber night]

You can have as many in lore explanations, it doesn't make it any better

[bitter mason]

but you have to be judge of D platoon for singleplayer

[true saddle]

lore reasons dont always instantly rectify how stupid it feels

[bitter mason]

and totally has nothing to do with a weird conspiracy subplot fsr

[pine drum]

I mean, that happens IRL with federal agencies. Border patrol and the U.S marshals deputize local law enforcement when they need more men.

[limber night]

Not on such scale RoN does it tbf

They're literally just "Yeah so we have no idea what the next dlc will be, here's cag shit and we'll make up a stupid lore reason for it"

[shell bridge]

Need missions where the game literally shits on you, have a CIA tunnel clearing mission like Sicario where you need to just collect drugs and raid a smaller compound while they do other bigger scale shit (have the CIA Agent on the radio tell us instructions on where to go and which buildings we are authorized to take down, and stay the fuck away from their objectives)

Make the whole thing seem bigger than your itty bitty D Platoon

[true saddle]

they make the plot holes first and try to patch them later

[limber night]

yeah the lack of any other units on scene also makes it worse lol

[true saddle]

theres not enough small scale missions in ron like fairfax, foodwall etc you are just immediately thrown in the 8+ suspect deep end very quickly

[limber night]

That's why I think that mission with the Korean family is the best

Cuz it feels the most real and plays really well

[tacit gull]

Yeah ends really surprised me on 1.0

[bitter mason]

I love ends of the earth

just ruined by the AI lol

[tacit gull]

It feels completely out of place in ron

[limber night]

Def the best mission in whole RoN imo

[true saddle]

it would be nice to have smaller scale missions in between the big ones i think itd go a long way for pacing

[limber night]

We need more shit like that and not freaking r6 terrorist hunt like Relapse

[bitter mason]

the only one with morally gray suspects really, but they behave the exact same as every other suspect which takes away from it

[true saddle]

fr

[shell bridge]

I really really understand the problems that might arise from having more than 4 teammates. But for god's sake please add visible normal first responders on scene like SWAT 4 did sometimes. Have some sort of medical evac animations near the point of conflict, just simple repeating animations. Make it so that the city is affected by it, not just a ghost town once something happens, especially outside a nightclub or a hotel.

[bitter mason]

I haaate relapse so much lol

[tacit gull]

cant wait to see the entire house filled with m249s on hard

[shell bridge]

+5

[limber night]

real

[bitter mason]

Game really need perimeter teams to populate outside the map, high ground to report suspcets in the open more ariel recon like the choppers in dark water, some maps even have drones flying over head that do nothing.

[pine drum]

The fact that USIA told LAPD to get involved in three letter triad instead of FISA was stupid as hell. You telling me the LAPD wouldn't run the risk of leaking info?

[shell bridge]

Ends of the earth?

[limber night]

Like give me a level that lasts like 5 minutes and all you do is raid a kitchen

[bitter mason]

ANd for the love of god actual Mission specific toc reports

[limber night]

yeh

[pine drum]

Like technically all the missions are "realistically" able to happen, but it's always a stretch

[true saddle]

and moments like the tv reporter giving away your entry in the swat 4 hospital map that was so cool

[bitter mason]

smaller maps that can focus on more variety in how the AI behave in them have them actually use hiding spots and not just stand in the middle of the room or infront of doors like idiots

[tacit gull]

nothing like that in here

[true saddle]

true

[bitter mason]

Spicy hot take I think the SWAT 4 hospital mission is scarier than fairfax

[limber night]

SWAT 4 had one of those early missions that was great, where you raided the house of that fat killer

[shell bridge]

I fully agree, reading the descriptions actually made me drop the full letal gear, and for the only mission used the pepperball rifle. I felt bad reading the briefing, visualizing a family having a hard time, I didn't even want to take CS Gas thinking the mother, on a bed with beeping monitors as her children stand to defend her, might be affected by it.

[limber night]

Fuck imma download swat 4 now, fuck y'all

[bitter mason]

:3

[tacit gull]

relapse so crazy the strippers didnt even change clothes

[shell bridge]

Well lo and behold she is running around full speed while suffering from stage 4 cancer, whereas she should be on a bed resting

[bitter mason]

And there is no police guarding Quadamah

[true saddle]

that just felt so out of place and lazy 😭

[pine drum]

Wtf are you on about?

[shell bridge]

Sometimes it boggles me, I still love the game tho

[bitter mason]

like a primary suspect in a major terror attack and he has 0 police guarding him

[tacit gull]

Relapse just reuses the body piles from club

[true saddle]

they re used assets for the dead people im pretty sure

[tacit gull]

So you just have dead strippers in the hospital

[bitter mason]

there are bodies from neon tomb reused in relapse by the doors

[pine drum]

I didn't pay much attention

[shell bridge]

Get SWAT 4 Gold Edition, then download the Elite Force mod, then download the First Responders - Tactical Edition on it

[pine drum]

Was too busy staying on my guard.

[shell bridge]

10/10 experience

[true saddle]

and then they have the audacity to use ai which feels even lazier but thats a whole other debate or rant or wtv

[tacit gull]

welcome to ron

[bitter mason]

needed that christmas 1.0 release

[pine drum]

At least have a downed officer or SOMETHING

[bitter mason]

but its okay this games story is amazing here look at these sticky notes you wont even notice they tell the story oh you didnt notiec them? you're just not playing the game right then

[tacit gull]

nu uh bro needs to have an mri

[bitter mason]

who needs character dialogue to progress the story go read this email on a laptop

[tacit gull]

i understand this one character i just fucking magdumped so much better now!

[true saddle]

dude for swat 4 i love the sef mod but WHY did they change the m4 model they removed the surefire hanguard 😭

[limber night]

Dude Ik, I have that game

[pine drum]

"Ah yes, as a SWAT officer, I'm gonna stop to listen to this recording"

Like I get the CCTV recording in Relapse, THAT makes sense....

[limber night]

That's pretty realistic tbh

[shell bridge]

yeah all the 64 pixel notes further blurred by the post processing ghosting, blurring and god forbid if you use FSR3 or anything less than Quality DLSS 4

[limber night]

Oh wait I misread

[bitter mason]

Says here in this breifing for the car dealer map there is two detectives one still alive inside the dealership better watch out for him
Oh woops never mind he doesnt exist because the devs didnt finish the game

[pine drum]

But you telling me someone in the middle of a raid is gonna stop to play some random MP3?

[true saddle]

or just find the offline installer i mean dont do that thats bad i dont condone piracy you should pay for it and give your money to activision

[pine drum]

Like that's a detectives job, not mine.

[tacit gull]

inflatable man movement coming next update trust

(even though he worked in ea)

[bitter mason]

I dont think I've noticed that what is it

glass breaking physics update

[shell bridge]

Remember when that officer literally called in for backup when she was under fire from a cult. Oh what? you do? Judge please report to physic evaluation, you are under too much stress.

[true saddle]

there should just be a swat 4 glaze server

[bitter mason]

when she somehow ended up in the middle of the compound and started taking fire lmao

[shell bridge]

Activision? I think CDPR owns GOG

[tacit gull]

PSYCHOLOGISTS TIP:
lol

[pine drum]

When I saw the courtyard I was like "HOW THE FUCK?"

Like how did they hide the bodies that quick too?

[bitter mason]

and then she isnt there at all in the mission and all you get is vague missable dialogue from the suspects hinting they might be dead but you get no conclusion to that bit of story

[true saddle]

activision owns the rights to swat thats why we are never getting swat 5

[tacit gull]

Sierra got revived recently

[bitter mason]

cough cough let me just plug this real quick https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1266894187098542140

[true saddle]

do they just get their random 20 year old ip back like that tho?

[shell bridge]

We did get SWAT 5, it was just a very short "1 house mission in COD MW1 2019 with all the tacticool gear" SWAT 5

[true saddle]

no leaning not tactical enough 😞

[tacit gull]

that's more like what the ground branch devs think their game is

[silver palm]

Technically Microsoft owns it now but I still wouldn’t want SWAT 5 by Activision

[bitter mason]

Can I also just scream for a moment why on earth did mindjot watermark their illegal gun and drugs trade images with their FUCKING COMPANY LOGO

[livid turtle]

ready or not moment

[tacit gull]

LMAO

[pine drum]

Also, funny how the ex USIA operative is stupid enough to call 911 to taunt us, but smart enough to dispose of bodies so well the cops can't find them and can figure out that GERARD is involved in something with Beaumont!

[true saddle]

i deadass played that mission like 40 times tho 😭 last cod i ever played actually

[tacit gull]

what, you'd want people to think mindjot didnt own those?

[shell bridge]

bigger loss to me is the zombie game that was being built on SWAT 4 engine

rest in peace

[tacit gull]

i didnt think division 9 looked that great

[shell bridge]

storytelling

[true saddle]

didnt some of the same devs or the same devs go on to work on l4d

[pine drum]

Looked like it was gonna be NMIH before NMIH

[bitter mason]

Im beeeggginnng void to fix the story in this game but I know deep inside they wont

[shell bridge]

not sure really

[bitter mason]

this next update is just gonna be the maps and guns and no improvements to exsiting maps

[tacit gull]

Oh i lost all hope tbh

[shell bridge]

I think they should fix the overall game-play first, by that I mean fix the game and fix the play

[pine drum]

Hopefully they don't break my mods...

[shell bridge]

Most people don't care about the story inconsistencies, what they do care about, is the game-play

[amber dock]

Can you revive my marriage?

[tacit gull]

kristal is still 18 years old

[amber dock]

My turtle wife is mad at me

[shell bridge]

I care about them tho 🖐️

[tacit gull]

kill her

i mean

uh

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[tacit gull]

go to couple's counselling

[bitter mason]

Gameplay and maps
A lot of the story issues tie into gameplay to

[true saddle]

have they still not fixed that

[tacit gull]

nope

[pine drum]

OK is no one gonna comment on this? Or am I stupid for just now realizing this?

[true saddle]

ok but add 2 dlcs and a console port despite them probably knowing and it being a 2 min fix💔

[tacit gull]

I just dont think there's anything to say

The story is fucking DUMB

[amber dock]

Uhhhh cost a lot of

[shell bridge]

Yes you stupid for putting in more thinking than the playtesters did

[tacit gull]

For a game about being a policeman and looking into clues it sure has a lot of plotholes

[bitter mason]

Yeah

[true saddle]

RoN is better for co-op i think but swat 4 will be unbeaten for maps and story it seems

[fresh pine]

Reading all this makes me happy that I played thru the game and never read too much into it

[shell bridge]

Actually, no. All issues will be fixed when they add a subway map.

[tacit gull]

and what clues actually work and lead you to something are underwhelming as shit

there is no super conspiracy in the game to discover

[bitter mason]

For being so proud of the environmental storytelling they really lost direction

[tacit gull]

absolutely

[bitter mason]

Funny how most of the early access maps that got finished pre 1.0 are generally the higher quality ones

[shell bridge]

I think they should improve evidence hunting, the most shocking evidence I actually "discovered" was a plushie or something in the streamer house, and then it didn't even appear in the evidence room

[bitter mason]

With some exceptions

[shell bridge]

Who cares about pistols from 1800 whatever, give me 52 bags of cocaine I can proudly stand in front of and take a photo with.

[true saddle]

environmental storytelling at the cost of the anyone reacting to the environment or the environment reacting to you

[bitter mason]

Yup

[shell bridge]

Send all the donations/gifts to memorial

how is a donated letter evidence????

[tacit gull]

lol

Most of the evidence is actually just filler

S ranked port? oh well you get a cool APS

can you use it?

no

[pine drum]

Honestly if there's gonna be a tac shooter about SWAT with a RIDICULOUS story, they should just make a technoir style tac shooter.

[bitter mason]

Something that could have been neat is interrogation recordings of primary suspects if you manage to take them alive

[shell bridge]

make Max Payne but Judge is Max and D-Platoon lives in his head while he does his 9-5 at an office desk job

[tacit gull]

lmao

[bitter mason]

But also taking suspects alive should not be a required objective tbh sometimes you get no choice should only fail if you get an unauthorised kill

[tacit gull]

david schizo beaumont

[bitter mason]

New ready or not theory David "Cutie patootie" Beaumont is actually just a silly guy

[shell bridge]

Oh what, that guy snapped 180 degrees to shoot twice at you? but then he quickly STOPPED and put his hands up when your view was obstructed by the gun while pure adrenaline rushes through you?

You are a disgrace entry team, make sure to cover your faces (with the masks we didn't give you) on your way back

[pine drum]

Or again, improve LTL

[faint ivy]

What's the general feeling on the LVAR?

[bitter mason]

Yeah would be nice but I like playing with lethals and getting as many arrests as I can

[faint ivy]

Gonna give it a try

[bitter mason]

It's a gun

[faint ivy]

But is it a good gun

[shell bridge]

It shoots

for sure, you would expect it to

[faint ivy]

300 blackout feels a bit hit or miss at times

Like inconsistent

[bitter mason]

I mean I just take whatever looks cool they're all functional

If I'm gonna shoot someone I don't stop until they drop

[shell bridge]

correct ammo type matters more than any caliber from my (not so long) experience

[tacit gull]

Minus the fact integral suppress guns arent suppressed

[faint ivy]

Excellent

[bitter mason]

Seriously? Lol lmao even

[shell bridge]

Rifle with AP is gonna be less effective than a pistol with JHP on an unarmored suspect

amirite?

[true saddle]

why cant we have jhp fmj and ap

would fmj be too op

[tacit gull]

It would be pretty redundant

JHP already makes little difference

[bitter mason]

Armour is still broken isn't it also?

And wasn't ap originally fmj but they changed it

[pine drum]

I think so

[tacit gull]

Yeah it was

For like

a week

[bitter mason]

Dam

[pine drum]

I think they should add FMJ as an in between

[bitter mason]

Swat4 sef and it's like 10 different ammo types

[pine drum]

Yeah ik

[tacit gull]

half of them never go used

[pine drum]

OR ADD RUBBER ROUNDS!

[tacit gull]

AP is actually useless

[pine drum]

THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE LTL SYSTEM

[bitter mason]

I'll go with uuuh hollow points and fmj

[tacit gull]

JSP is pointless

[bitter mason]

Me want baton round launcher

[pine drum]

THIS!

THAT TOO!

[tacit gull]

That would just replace the beanbag

like completely

[pine drum]

Or it could work as a long tac...

[bitter mason]

Still want beanbag long tactical

[tacit gull]

why would you get a pump action beanbag when you can shit out 6 batons back to back

[shell bridge]

Need taser dart round shotgun

[bitter mason]

I don't really care about other options being overshadowed cause I just use what's cool

[pine drum]

Oh shit right they're adding a rotary launcher...

[tacit gull]

lmao yeah

[bitter mason]

I pack one of my guys with a door ram because it's cool

[bitter mason]

Weight system

[tacit gull]

what weight system

[pine drum]

Feels like branching shotgun is useless when AI use it.

[shell bridge]

a reminder that this is still not updated https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/325

[bitter mason]

The one void are gonna add to replace the equipment slots I swear they will

[tacit gull]

i think its the other way around

Slots system wouldn't be as bad if every tool had its own cost for ammo and attachments

[bitter mason]

Yeah truw

I wouldn't mind the point system if everything wasn't worth 1

[tacit gull]

i.e. new launcher takes up all of your budget because its fucking beoken

[bitter mason]

I'd be fine with that

[tacit gull]

12 flashbangs instant deto with no firing delay

[bitter mason]

Smgs could get a bit of a better use being cheaper than ARs

[tacit gull]

^

they can be fully kitted and still leave you with extra slots

[bitter mason]

Like why do smg mags cost the same as AR mags

[pine drum]

Make grenade slots seperatw from ammo slots fffs

[shell bridge]

• the ability to ask/give equipment from/to teammates (AI or multiplayer)

[bitter mason]

I could cry

Just let us pack more I like having enough grenades to actually use them and not have to skimp out on ammo

[shell bridge]

SWAT 4 ruined me. You are telling me I can't bring 4 mules to carry a total of 18 flashbangs?

[tacit gull]

this because AI is dogshit at throwing things

[pine drum]

I don't get mixing grenades for your officers.

[bitter mason]

I do it if I take gas

But I also use gunfighter and get 25 slots

[pine drum]

"Hey let's throw it in the center of the room instead of where the suspects are"

[tacit gull]

yeah like what

[bitter mason]

Real

[tacit gull]

what the fuck were they thinking

[bitter mason]

Flashbangs getting blocked by a chair

[pine drum]

Or at the complete OPPOSITE SIDE

[shell bridge]

Wide open space with a sightline to 3 suspects

Ok all we gotta do is throw a flash right in the middle and the entry will be perf- and he threw it into a corner with a wall blocking all of the effect

[tacit gull]

gg

[pine drum]

I always have them go at multiple angles if possible for that reason.

[bitter mason]

Being able to request grenades from your ai would definitely help with awkward breaches

[shell bridge]

The only good thing they do is the side arm throw where they don't have to expose their head and torso 3 enemies perfectly aiming down the single door with controlled breathing

[bitter mason]

I wish they'd look away from the door tho

[shell bridge]

otherwise, you need to wallbang using a guy who failed baseball in highschool

[pine drum]

Also, ai will sometimes just run backwards while clearing?

[tacit gull]

yes

[pine drum]

For some reason?

[bitter mason]

I've thrown flashes in when they have gas masks and they still just stare into the room

[tacit gull]

that's that good shit

[bitter mason]

Npc pathing is soooo strict

They will not stop for anything most of the time

[shell bridge]

They should remove the auto-arrest mechanic

[bitter mason]

And some rooms are just terribly designed for single player

[pine drum]

They'll walk into danger because of it.

[shell bridge]

oh what's that, a suspect "surrendering" 20 feet away from me and my team, with a wide open sightline? Ah, let me just cuff him up

[pine drum]

Have to tell them to hold so they don't kill themselves

[bitter mason]

I think it could stay but only happens after a room clear and they only arrest people in that room

[pine drum]

Which can be dangerous to me.

[shell bridge]

Even then they don't listen

Gotta get that arrest in the career report

[bitter mason]

I've had an officer run to the upper floor of the yacht map to grab a gun and he managed to kill like 3 guys because of it lol

[tacit gull]

They should just remove ai doing anything without your command

Dumbass mechanic

[shell bridge]

^^^^^

actually

They should just remove ai

will fix everything

[bitter mason]

Ron mmo

[pine drum]

OMG them shouting at a suspect 50 meters out when I'm trying to move quietly!

[shell bridge]

^^^^

GOING TOWARDS the guy shooting them

instead of yaknow, taking cover???

[pine drum]

Focus mode is ABSOLUTELY BROKEN

[bitter mason]

I've had them square up kissing distance with suspects hesitating

They do it a lot

[pine drum]

They need an option to tell an officer to take cover so they can cover all angles at once.

[bitter mason]

Swat 3 leaning

[pine drum]

Yep, but luckily suspects tend to surrender when that happens... Unless another suspect fires.

[bitter mason]

I always got a taster on me just incase tho

[pine drum]

Same really

[shell bridge]

I take 2

[pine drum]

OMG hide and seek and that DAMN TRUCK. 🤦

They need to fix the mapping on that damn level.

[shell bridge]

I actually am lucky, didn't have to repeat it that many times and kinda loved it for it. Unlike that stupid relapse shit.

I felt like having a relapse after playing that horrific shit.

[pine drum]

CLEAR THE AUCTION ROOM YOU DUMB FUCKS!!!!

[shell bridge]

You think I should be allowed to use optiwand for SWAT 1999-2005 playthrough?

without that, relapse and one other mission is gonna be hell

[pine drum]

Hold up, let me look up when LAPD started using snake cams

[bitter mason]

Sure it's not really a thing irl anyways

Unless you want to go proper realism then don't

[pine drum]

SWAT 4 took place in 99 didn't it?

Or was it 2005?

Then yet again, that takes place in NYC

[shell bridge]

I looked up some pictures, optiwand is a thing but its not really used much, swatting is all about quick entry most of the time right?

[pine drum]

I'd imagine it's useful in like... Hostage taking situations

[shell bridge]

yep

or for places you don't have maps or intel for

[pine drum]

Confirmed traps

[shell bridge]

oh yeah thanks for reminding me that

[tacit gull]

I'm still so unhappy no game ever did a true mirror on a stick

[pine drum]

Police quest SWAT 1 and 2 did it.

[shell bridge]

Now I have to hold my swat team 25 feet away from a door, crouch over to the door, peek it to check for wire while 2 suspects empty their clips on the door

[pine drum]

But took WAAAAY different approaches. SWAT 2 is literally is an RTS while SWAT 1 was point and click...

[shell bridge]

Might not count as a mirror on a stick, but SWAT 4 has a level with a "mirror on a corner" which actually works and shows any suspect around the corner. But sadly they don't react to you.

[bitter mason]

Swat 3 was inconsistent the equipment menu shows it as an optiwand I think but the world model is a mirror

[tacit gull]

Yeah it is

it still shows on the top right tho

[tacit gull]

dont worry, ron doesnt have mirrors at all so it isn't a problem

[pine drum]

Anyway, does anyone shoot Sah'id when they play Marage?

[bitter mason]

R.i.p

[pine drum]

Can't fucking SPELL

[shell bridge]

New RTX DLC with mirrors on every corner of the map. Pre-order for different mirror skins $15

[pine drum]

Speaking of, wish mirrors worked.

[tacit gull]

RON is still supposed to be getting ray tracing mind you

it was literally marketed with that lmao

[bitter mason]

Not if I can help it

[shell bridge]

The irony of a game from 2005 having uhhh "mirrors" but the new shiny graphics engine not having any is not lost on me

[pine drum]

I always knee cap that MF.

[bitter mason]

It'll come with pvp

[tacit gull]

LMAO

[shell bridge]

There are these... demonic reflections in game

they scare me

everytime I go close to anything metal, spikes appear on them 10/10

[pine drum]

Also, maybe have it so when you use the mirror camera you see it on the screen and it doesn't take up your whole ass biew

[shell bridge]

You mean the optiwand? Its an option in the menu.

Picture-in-picture option

[pine drum]

Ah, yeah I'll enable that.

[bitter mason]

Funny evolution of things
Pretty sure the old strat is to just render the world twice, but when the tech demand is increasing for just the world itself fancy effects like that become even more demanding

[pine drum]

I prefer maximum spacial awareness

[shell bridge]

the only problem is shitty filters and dimmer screen than a new moon night

get the mod that removes the filters on the optiwand screen, for better visibility at least

[pine drum]

Feels like older RoN was way darker

[bitter mason]

I think the ue5 change did break the lighting a bit

[shell bridge]

nothing will solve the underexposed screen tho, especially on maps with outside environment or god forbid the roof has just 1 light overblowing the screen

[bitter mason]

Rust belt is completely botched now after ue5

[pine drum]

Have we been shitting on RoN for 2 hours!?

[bitter mason]

Yeah

[shell bridge]

how? which areas?

[bitter mason]

The cave specifically the end of it
It's brighter and the lighting is broken on the rocks

[pine drum]

I mean... I love this game, and I even love the campiness to some degree...

[shell bridge]

get this worth it https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4383

[pine drum]

Just... GOD DAMN.

[bitter mason]

Overall the game is much hazier too

[shell bridge]

Oh god I got reminded of it. To add to that, the fog in the wine cellar section of the cult mission

the one with the very present officer in the courtyard

the fog just glitches now, its full brightness and turns with your camera

[pine drum]

I won't lie, I do like the over the top story, but don't say you're a "realistic swat sim" when you have a less realistic story then CSI.

[bitter mason]

Yeah lol

[pine drum]

I wasn't gonna say Law and Order, because Law and Order is surprisingly realistic.

[bitter mason]

I'm fine with the game being over the top
Swat 4 is and I love that game but it knows how to limit itself
Unlike ron

[bitter mason]

Yup carriers was also hit hard

Super hazy and hard to see

[pine drum]

Again, this feels more like a neo-Noir Tac shooter. Not a police sim.

[bitter mason]

Yea

[shell bridge]

carriers?

[bitter mason]

Farmhouse

Carriers of the vine

[shell bridge]

I actually do want VOID to take some liberties and make the game feel more noir or whatever, like uncovering some grand mystery or whatever. Like a cartel stealing dinosaurs bones or something.

Not dinosaur bones, but

I just need Max Payne and SWAT 4 combined

[bitter mason]

It tries to have that I suppose
But again the story is just not properly told or presented to the player

The best we get is briefings that sometimes don't align with the actual mission and "environmental storytelling" which I think void took too literally and you have to go reading random things around the map and fill in the blanks

[pine drum]

Know what this reminds me of?

SWAT the show.

The reboot.

[bitter mason]

Never seen it

[shell bridge]

Funny how the starting mission suspect descriptions are fully filled out. They gave more backstory and lore to 3 high-on-drugs gas station robbers than a whole weapons manufacturing ring.

[bitter mason]

Is that the one where they wear the high cuts without any headphones so they look silly

[pine drum]

It's so over the top

[shell bridge]

the one with the ||bomb vest|| thing?

[pine drum]

Sent an image

[shell bridge]

where

[pine drum]

It's a CBS show.

Or was

[tacit gull]

I think one of the helmets in the game is a reference to that show

It also doesn't have earpro

And it looks like the helmet the main guy is wearing

[pine drum]

You want it? I sent it to celdis

[bitter mason]

And the funny thing is those guys aren't unique npcs
They have no unique voice lines and can either not spawn or spawn multiple times

[shell bridge]

I think I know which one you are talking about

but maybe I don't

[pine drum]

Sent

[bitter mason]

Dude who looks a bit like mac from always sunny but has a gotee and is bald

[shell bridge]

Ok I actually don't know that one

[bitter mason]

That's what I always think when I see him

[shell bridge]

there was another show called SWAT or something

[pine drum]

There was, it was made in the 70s and 80s

Back when SWAT teams just wore Black BDUs and delta operator caps

[bitter mason]

Idk

[pine drum]

And used .22 LR for crowd control.

[bitter mason]

I only know the show because it tends to appear when you search swat on gooogle

[pine drum]

Bro has the world's most punchable face.

[shell bridge]

Ok nvm I was thinking of a show called "Bodyguard". Richard Madden is in it.

Idk why I thought it was also called SWAT, my bad

[pine drum]

MF looks like a Chavez.

Like everyone with that name is an asshole.

[tacit gull]

todd chavez

[bitter mason]

New ron suspect

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-my-beloved-todd-bojack-horseman-todd-chavez-gif-22750860

[pine drum]

NGL, I kinda want a police baton.

So I can beat the fuck put of the homeless like a true LAPD officer

[shell bridge]

nah they just use flashlights

that's why they never work when they need them

LAPD lore

[bitter mason]

Makes sense

The taser needs to have contact tasing when you bash

[tacit gull]

if ron was faithful to original vision we would have flashlights that turn themselves off like in doom 3 or some shit

[tacit gull]

It does

[bitter mason]

Half life battery life

[bitter mason]

Does it I thought it's just like any other bash

[pine drum]

Didn't SWAT 4 have maglites you could use as melee weapons?

[tacit gull]

yeah it does it's just really inconsistent to hit

much like any other melee

[bitter mason]

That's in first responders mod

[tacit gull]

in FR that helped you find evidence

[shell bridge]

I don't remember the base game having that. Its the mods that have them

[bitter mason]

^

[tacit gull]

in ron its relegated to the ACCESSIBILITY menu of all places

[shell bridge]

yeah the evidence shines with holy spirit once the light is on

Better than the inferior yellow paint in RoN

[tacit gull]

like the evidence packing isn't the most dogshit mechanic in any videogame ever

[pine drum]

Also, a Baton would be useful to break windows during LTL runs since pepperballs can't go through glass so you don't have to stand in front of the window

[shell bridge]

Its glow, but its yellow, still yellow paint

[shell bridge]

Idk why that's my job, I am literally tampering with it. It should'nt even be packed before forensics team gets there and places the alphabets.

[tacit gull]

In singleplayer it might aswell not be a mechanic since it does itself

in multi it has officers looking at the floor instead of at the rooms they're clearing

[pine drum]

Also, it's all fun and games until they add accurate fent in the game, you fucking die if you secure it without gloves.

[tacit gull]

Don't get me wrong, i thing safing weapons is a good mechanic

[shell bridge]

I wedge door behind me, and then one evidence in the starting area has Judge test his back strain tolerance as I painfully open every door myself, because stupid AI can't do that itself

[tacit gull]

I don't think SCORING the player on if they do the magic hands animation 28 times every mission is a good idea

[bitter mason]

Remember how they said the evidence bag when you collect them was a placeholder

[jolly tiger]

Why does this game not have more maps. We’ve had the same maps for a while. Surely it can’t be that hard to regularly add new maps because the game gets easily boring once all the missions been completed

[bitter mason]

They're currently working on more and they added some with the 2 dlcs

Maps take time to make

[limber night]

Creating maps at the fidelity of RoN takes alot of time

Especially with a team of 50 people where only a few are dedicated to map making

Void isn't a studio with like hundreds of devs that are able to pump maps every 3 months

[bitter mason]

There's also modded maps you can give a try

And just mods in general to switch up the gameplay loop

[limber night]

And we still have alot of maps, 18 vanilla plus 6 DLC (and 2 upcoming maps in the update)

That's ALOT for an indie game

[bitter mason]

Yeah that's pretty good

[pine drum]

Anyone ever just use mods to larp as patrol officers?

[bitter mason]

Sometimes

[pine drum]

Yeah me too

[bitter mason]

Yeag

[jolly tiger]

Damn idk just surprises me that’s all

[limber night]

No

[bitter mason]

I actually "larp" as a patrol officer irl and steal money from people's wallets

[rustic rune]

Or just keep updating it, different engine

[tacit gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090220459703926865/1371921767186039029/dl_gif_froggy_closer.gif

[shell bridge]

So about the police station

Is there any visible sign of it being a subway station before being converted to a police station?

I read the timeline and stuff on the backwall of the briefing room

But are there any visible remnants of the subway station?

[bitter mason]

I dont think so

the old stations shooting range had some old train cars and tracks

idk if the current one is the same

[shell bridge]

I wish they combined old and new station to some degree

anyways, is there way to legally buy or get supporter edition for the customization?

if not, any considerations by VOID to add that in the game, even as DLC?

[merry bloom]

I’d like to know too

[tacit gull]

No

There have been some special occasions where supporter has been given out on anniversaries or the such

But they're not the norm

[shell bridge]

What is unique to the special edition?

I know the HRT vests and maybe helmets

[tacit gull]

Supporter has a complete set of cosmetics exclusive to it

and access to a nexus mod essentially

Everything from boots to gas masks and nvgs

for some reason the goggle and mandible skin are available to everyone

[shell bridge]

Yeah there was a mod on nexus that adds stuff only to Supporter edition

I hope they bring those items to the next DLC

2 years seems like a good amount of time

[tacit gull]

They are exclusive to supporters

[limber night]

And will be for some reason

Iirc when they wanted to bring HRT stuff as the pre order bonus for consoles the old staff was against it

[tacit gull]

I imagine supporters would be angry

but at the same time that means the fisa gear is unattainable on console

[limber night]

I doubt any of the supporters would even care

[tacit gull]

which sucks

[merry bloom]

Its the only gear in Ready or not that doesn't look shit

[limber night]

Ehhhhh, it doesn't really match with anything cuz the multicam is so bad

But it works well as complete set

[tacit gull]

I wouldn't say it looks that good

[shell bridge]

Well supporters waited how many years? Just wait that amount of time and release the stuff.

[tacit gull]

Not gonna happen, it's exclusive for a reason

[shell bridge]

:(

[limber night]

Or just idk make a poll on NDA discord and see if supporters are ok with releasing those cosmetics

[shell bridge]

I guess it is what it is

[tacit gull]

I honestly dont even care for the new gear, i'd like the old one back

[limber night]

The cpc n all that?

[tacit gull]

The coyote FBI uniform looked very nice

[limber night]

Yeah it was nice

Though could use some tweaks, like replacing the radio with smth real

[merry bloom]

Nvm I was thinking of a different set of gear

[shell bridge]

I have question regarding Valley of the dolls mission

[limber night]

I gotta admit tho, current supporter G3s are actually pretty good

[shell bridge]

||The missing children, are they really in the barrels?||

[tacit gull]

Yeah the brown pantaloons look nice

[limber night]

Yes

[tacit gull]

Only thing i'd really want from the new uniform

[shell bridge]

Because if they are, ||how come Voll gets off as seen in the cult mission newspaper clippings? Wouldn't that be enough, even beyond the reasonable limit, to give him life, death pentalty even||

[shell bridge]

aight

[high knoll]

why do i not have access to all of the missions in quickplay

[amber dock]

Annoying bug

[high knoll]

am i able to fix it or no

or will it be fixed in next update

[amber dock]

Really only ways is to play latest map or use a save file

[high knoll]

wdym play latest map

[amber dock]

You generally only need to complete all main objs on the latest map and don’t die

Grade doesn’t matter

[amber dock]

Like the one that is at the bottom p

The latest map you have

[high knoll]

does that fix the bug or

[amber dock]

No it just progress the maps like how you’re supposed to do it commander mode

[faint ivy]

Anyone got advice for Relapse? Certainly feels like a bit of a battle of attrition with regards to health

[amber dock]

Just completing it or?

[valid wadi]

Multiplayer or Commander Mode?

Best advice I can give is to pick your weapons out properly. Since the map has long hallways and big open lobbies you should at minimum be using 556 rifles and mixing in shotguns and 308 battle rifles. (My setup is 2 308s, 2 556s, and 1 shotgunner for rear/room clearing)

Move carefully and use door wedges as much as you can, they can easily flank you from multiple floors and with side entrances.

[urban mural]

Why do paramedics exist?

[amber dock]

Like the actual job? Or the trait in commander mode?

Cause I will give you two very diff answers depending on what you mean

[faint ivy]

I really sincerely hope he's talking about the trait

[urban wraith]

in general it's good to have some dude in a van who can stop the bleeding of your severed foot so they can get yo ass to someone who knows how to give you your foot back

[urban mural]

The trait is useless.

[amber dock]

Cause it only works once

And doesn’t work during the match

It works after you return to Hq

[languid pasture]

The best in the world

[empty siren]

Real

I love this

I cannot wait

[languid pasture]

Dude, I’m waiting for my pre-order this version to show up through Amazon fucking shit taken forever

[limber night]

Well you're gonna wait a lil cuz the game is a month away

[languid pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/wanghedi-wang-hedi-dylanwang-dylan-wang-xuqian-gif-2633163803767863604

[pine drum]

||Can you send me a screenshot of the news paper clipping?||

[pine drum]

|| Also in general, what world does voll get off ? ||

[bitter mason]

seriously???
Why cant we have hope in a hopeless world man thats like the best kind of trope

ron writing gets worse every time I learn more about it

[gleaming gorge]

||FISA corruption, look at Hide and Seek, Reason why I 'Accidently' ND into Voll with my 320||

[winter plover]

I need to know right now how you skip missions. I will not spend a single more minute on this stupid hospital level. Surely the devs did not actually force level completions

[gleaming gorge]

they do, but my Best Advice for Relapse is to use the G5a1, as that is a Short 308, Flash bangs are your Best friends

[winter plover]

4 hours. 4 hours. I cannot id rather quit the game no matter what gear setup

[gleaming gorge]

reminds me of Greased Palms for my playthrough, That was my Breaking Point on my Non lethal

[muted saffron]

What is the most easiest and hardest map in RON, I should know?

[tiny mountain]

More or less how they set up, the very first and last levels are easiest and hardest. Also depends on mods and your own experience

[gleaming gorge]

gas and ridgeline for Easiest, Dealer, Port, and Importer for Hardest

sorry for Internal Names

[tiny mountain]

I find Lethal Obsession to be easiest, it's only 3 suspects + peek every door

[gleaming gorge]

the one thing that Trips everyone Up is the first time you play it, the first Door Breach we all do, where we lose all our Officers

don't lie, we all restarted just after that

[tiny mountain]

Happened more than handful of times till I realised what's killing me

[winter plover]

Does anyone know what file subfolder the levels of ready or not are in. I am just going to try to skip them by deleting the level

[cursive minnow]

I'd just suggest you just use the auto mission clear from this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4170 doing what you're suggesting would likely either bug something out or just cause corrupt data.

[stark forum]

Does anyone have an ID of that one beat on Valley of the Dolls w the punchy 808s?

[hollow mist]

When ron releases on console, do you guys think it will be on disc?

[forest knot]

ngl, after going to the range in person, a lot of combat in mission just pmo

yall doing the most for what just surrender, make it easy on me bro

somehow I broke my leg from kicking doors but can still walk

[pine drum]

|| Once again, I don't think he'd be able to fully "get off" ||

|| Again, my suspension of disbelief is fucking broken. He'd get Epsteined instead if it was covered up||

[cinder wren]

does shooting near a civilians head make thems urrender or am i trippin

[covert aurora]

I think so? Not 100% sure, normally i just give them a bash with my rifle if their being difficult

[pine drum]

Yeah, if you shoot around them they surrender

[cinder wren]

you can bash? how?

[pine drum]

🅱️

[cinder wren]

ah i see

[strange depot]

If you wanna get most if not all the suspects to give into compliance run CS gas + 2 negotiator officers + 2 intimidator officers. I’m usually able to arrest all if not most of the suspects just by looking at them

[shrewd sluice]

any estimation about how this game will run on console? i’ve heard it’s pretty intensive even for PCs

would be a bummer to hop on day one and get 30 frames a second

[cinder wren]

Estimated to be about 10 fps

[shrewd sluice]

excellent thank you

[cinder wren]

Im joking idk how it'll run

[strange depot]

I can tell you it’s not great on pc right now. It’s all over the place for many people

[stone bay]

28 days left

🕰️

[torn canyon]

i shot a suspect, he fell into an object and flew away like some sort of bird. was definitely interesting to watch

[pine drum]

P H Y S I C S

[crude prism]

ragdoll physics top 5 things of all time

[torn canyon]

poor feller got a concussion

[crude prism]

bro got hit so hard his feet... or foot... left the ground

[torn canyon]

quite unfortunate if you ask me

[shut canyon]

Given the fact that there is usually alot of corners and open spaces, and also that they don't stack up behind it . Is it still worth giving one NPC a shield?

[crude prism]

if you plan on letting them lead at all when traveling around the map or during breaches, then yes

[sharp herald]

why has the WatchmenwakeupYT guy not been banned yet

[covert aurora]

because they can't ban in game

just block him

if you ever join him

[sharp herald]

i think holding lobbies hostage is a bannable offense is it not?

[covert aurora]

normal would be, if the game wasn't peer to peer

[sharp herald]

ah

[covert aurora]

yeah 😦

[merry bloom]

I don’t understand why people have such a beef with the guy.

Just join a different lobby if you aren’t interested in learning about evangelism.

[sharp herald]

he's in a cult.

not normal religious stuff

[crude prism]

just join a different lobby
blind matchmaking that only cares about ping

[merry bloom]

Ok nvm just read into the guy and he is not a real Christian 😬

[crude prism]

he's definitely a real loony

[merry bloom]

Yeah the only encounter I’ve had with him was when he was talking about the Protestant reformation so I assumed he was an Evangelical.

[languid pasture]

Good morning RONSTERS ☕️

[shell bridge]

Just make D-Platoon go rouge at this point

Sick of void giving a terriblle world to us then excepting laws to change that

when the people doing the crimes exist outside of those laws

[restive ferry]

I don’t want any watchmenwake up slander in this chat

[languid pasture]

I want my already

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[frosty crow]

Aye i have not played in a hot minute have they fixed twisted nerve yet?

[shy current]

Guys what if it was called:
not or ready
then the title wouldn’t work 🤪

[covert aurora]

[languid pasture]

Hello my lil RONSKIES ANYBODY WANT ☕️ I put suger and cream

What if was call c?!k ready

[bitter mason]

what was broken about it

[frosty crow]

Sometimes you could not S tier it because i guess items would fall out of the map

i think that was the issue i cant remember

[shell bridge]

I think I got S tier in that, but I am using some mods

[bitter mason]

Doesnt happen too often but that can still sometimes rarely happen on all maps

[shell bridge]

But I didn't have any weapons falling through glitch

[bitter mason]

there is a failsafe where the item is automatically collected if the game detects them falling through the map

my last couple times playing twisted nerve didnt have any guns falling through the map tho

[shell bridge]

Btw I need some feedback on color choices for the SWAT uniforms

Meth - Olive Drab , Black

Corn - Dark Grey , Brown

Weapons - Dull Blue , Black

Militants - Dull Blue , Brown

Cult - Woodland , Brown

Terrorism - Bright Blue , Black

All - Black , Black

1st color is for Shirt/Pants, 2nd for vest

Gloves, boots, belt is gonna be black

[bitter mason]

is this like what uniforms to wear depending on the suspects you're up against

[shell bridge]

Uhh not reallly, just what I'm feeling

Cult sure, its in the woods

so woodland camo with brown vest

Don't have that many options, so I just worked with what could work

[bitter mason]

I usually take the uniforms of what law enforcement I believe you actually be on those missions

[shell bridge]

I chose Dull blue for veterans because I don't want to activate their PTSD while fighting me (an enemy in camo)

I picked dull blue to passify them

[bitter mason]

what outfits are dull blue and bright blue?

[shell bridge]

posted in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[bitter mason]

ahh is that vanilla 99 for light blue and pup swat for dull

[shell bridge]

Bright blue is vanilla swat 1999 outfit, dull blue is the PUP SWAT mod

[bitter mason]

ya

[shell bridge]

Its not much different.... but its different enough

Actually wait, I forgot about the LSPD Officer Jacket and its colors

[bitter mason]

ye
I'd personally pick per mission depending on what department I think would be there
So for like the carriers of the vine cult anything like navy blue, OD or woodland. Since its based off Waco so you could have like ATF Navy blue or FBI OD/Woodland taking some liberties

Though I think for the 90s look it would just fall under navy blue and OD, maybe black for the night time missions
I usually give red team black and blue team blue similar to swat 4 tho

[shell bridge]

I'll try to make some changes, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[bitter mason]

👍

[viscid arch]

does anybody know if all the possible controls for pc are going to be put into console? like that free looking thing, so and so

[shy current]

You should just choose something like US marshals or some other federal agency and make up justifications as for why they’re there then you don’t have to worry about loads of uniforms 😎

[shell bridge]

Oh dw that will come soon

I got an entire Sicario style playthrough lined up next

Joint agency team

VOID needs to add female officers

they already got the character models as seen in police stations

just give em voicelines and add them already

[amber dock]

static models won't work very well

[languid pasture]

That female officer idea ain’t bad just like they do with suspects in the game.

[bitter mason]

Im sure they'll get around to adding them at some point

[languid pasture]

It will be a good add

[bitter mason]

Indeed

[strange depot]

Some people be running the wrong perk combinations if they are struggling in commander mode lol let alone bring the worst equipment

[amber dock]

kinda not their fault though since game sucks at telling you how to play commander mode better and explaing better at what traits do and what stacks and doesn't

[bitter mason]

Quick play supremacy

[crude prism]

information in game? what is this? call of duty? erm, we only vaguepost here sir

it's HARDCORE to not tell your players what the fuck is going on

[amber dock]

achivement: finish map with only one gun, but also you can't use any tools despite achivement only saying gun

[crude prism]

some doors can be locked
if your right leg gets hit a single time you can't kick open doors
pulling out the lockpick fails the achievement

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[crude prism]

10/10 game design

[amber dock]

Hey lets make it confusing that for one achivement you can't have a team member die

but for another a 'resigned' officer counts as losing one officer

while other doesn't

[crude prism]

lol even, lmao

[amber dock]

Hermit and rolex watch I'm referring to, so confusing

thank I did it early and fast

[shell bridge]

EFT philosophy

[bitter mason]

If you want to be taught things why dont you go back to school 😎

[crude prism]

Nikita has to be dragged through the dirt kicking and screaming by the community for any QOL stuff

[shell bridge]

god bless SPT

Oops I mean thethingwedon'tmention

[crude prism]

SPT is officially sanctioned since BSG gave them permission as long as they require a legitimate account to download the game files from

[shell bridge]

Not really, they are constantly in a grey area basically

Especially after Tarkov Edging edition and the whole official PvE thing

plus SPT "doesn't" "support" Co-op because BSG are a buncha idiots who will strike down a better way to play the game

and won't launch official mod support anyways

anyways, time to kil- I mean arrest george brixley

[crude prism]

I mean. Sure.

But it's no longer hush-hush, and BSG does not issue takedowns anymore. Not on guides, videos/livestreams, coop SPT mods, etc.

Klean pushed the envelop and got permission to stream it, and Nikita said they weren't going to strike stuff anymore.
(this was many many months ago)

[shell bridge]

I could never BSG to keep any promises

[crude prism]

yeah man, because we're going to fault them for something they "might" do in the future, but not in the present?

[shell bridge]

they could never fullfill the promises of their game itself (a site that tracks all of their promises and features that got shelved and cancelled), let alone support the community

sunk all money into a CSGO clone but tacticool

and then launched a $200 edition

[crude prism]

arena certainly is an experience, and I'm not even gonna attempt to defend their weird shitty "EOD2 (real true fans only)" version of the game

[crude prism]

Someone could make one of these for RoN too... Game development changes over time man...
You aim high, and if all goes well, land somewhere close to the goals you had set.

(tarkov)
The open world they were aiming for with the level of detail was probably never going to be possible.
Add on years of tech debt, and it gets harder to make large changes, as you have to dig down ten floors to touch at the foundation.

[shell bridge]

I mean, I only give them so much shit passionately, because I do enjoy the game. Its painful, but learning can be fun especially with some mods in SPT. Again, its environmental story telling, it works sometimes. I do enjoy their game, just not their management of it.

[shell bridge]

I agree. You know more of RoN history than I do, surely a case can be made about lost promises. Just that BSG got feature creeped way harder, they just sometimes abandon the core audience.

From what I see (yet), RoN has more consistency with their vision and what the community wants (especially the veterans and supporters)

[crude prism]

I think that Nikita probably could've got more of what he INTENDED for the game if it didn't become so popular.

However, I'm sure he's happy (at least to a point) about being the head of a truly genre defining experience.
(see the long list of since-dead extraction shooters and tarkov is still at the top years later)

[shell bridge]

I agree, Tarkov is a multiplayer shooter so they need to constantly think of and keep adding new content (like actually fast-faced/fast-resulting content). Its just a case of different audiences I guess.

Especially in the streaming era.

[crude prism]

Yeah. Unironically, a lot of players flow with the games that are "new hotness".

Streamers and youtubers have a LOT of power when it comes to making or breaking an audience (or longevity) of a title

[shell bridge]

True, tarkov is still relevant, even when the EOD situation happened and 2 new looter shooters were coming out calling themselves tarkov killers, tarkov lived through.

[amber dock]

bluedrake

THIS GAME IS OFFICALLY DEAD

[shell bridge]

To me, it says more to the strength of the core community, vanilla multiplayer or otherwise. They did create something really good, just got feature crepth and hungry for something completely different (Arena)

[strange depot]

Someone needs to program the friendly ai to crouch with the shield and utlize cover

[amber dock]

THIS TAC SHOOTER IS THE NEXT GENRE DEFINING TITLE

[crude prism]

no dude I heard that Bungie is here to steal the genre away. oh wait, what's that? hold on I'm getting some kind of a message

nvm

[shell bridge]

yeah........

well hey atleast BSG never stole anyone's whole artstyle (that I know of)