👮ron-discussion

[lone oracle]

i didnt know that until now 😂

[limber night]

Ngl having just one overall difficulty is better than sliders. At least the devs can polish it up and now they'll have to work with more shit

[lone oracle]

facts

[fervent hinge]

I guess depends on how they implement it as well

[limber night]

Tbh I have my doubts here

I feel like it'll result in a worse experience

[marsh charm]

Which kind of NVG do real SWAT uses? Green or White?

[robust shadow]

I am guessing it depends on the department

[marsh charm]

What about LAPD then?

[limber night]

I believe these days white is most common tbh

[marsh charm]

Alright, thanks for the info

[ashen scroll]

[ashen scroll]

most units worldwide use green since they havent really changed nvgs from the 80s or 90s and budget is always tight

I know thats the case for france and generally in the EU

but in areas where the budget is more flexible, I heard that some even use multicolor

[languid pasture]

Good morning good morning are you ready?

[steep ridge]

red phosphor nvgs when

they look dope

[languid pasture]

Who wants to be my friend on here

[coarse pike]

meeeee

[terse orchid]

me if ur a grownup and maybe even a american

[limber night]

?

[terse orchid]

id c about the english part i speak english french and russian

[waxen minnow]

modding adds A LOT

[terse orchid]

sdpanish i forgot to list but i barely use oit

[waxen minnow]

maybe I'm weird playing dress up all day, but I love the customization

[limber night]

Yeah, but they'll be on console iirc

So modding doesn't matter here

[languid pasture]

Yeah, I’m a grown man and I’m also American

[waxen minnow]

ahh

[waxen minnow]

Ngl I sit for like two hours and make a cool outfit and loudout combo

[languid pasture]

Ron console who came up with that name

[unborn zinc]

Standby the floral shirt jeans Rolex 🗣️

[pine drum]

Any tips for a 3 letter triad s rank run?

Been struggling with it for awhile.

[tacit gull]

get a flashbang launcher for free room clears otherwise apply taser or flashbang

alternatively wait 1 month for 6 round flashbang launcher

[pine drum]

I usually use the gas launcher

[tacit gull]

I don't really see the point of that, it's just as slow as regular gas

[pine drum]

Better for shooting gas at a distance. Yes it's slow, but it covers a larger area and also provides concealment

[limber night]

Flashing or stinger from distance is funnier tho

[pine drum]

But yeah I C2 and gas larger rooms

usually does the trick

Also, should I go slow and steady or blitz it?

[tacit gull]

I find it better to just have a free arrest in every room instantly rather than fumble around with suspects running around freely

[gray heath]

I guess the gas does have the advantage that you can't be ambushed by a suspect walking into the room after you've already fired a flashbang, which has a good chance to happen on 3 letter triad due to the high suspect count

[fervent hinge]

Csnt mod in ps5😔

[tacit gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396806074461585411/1383747288064852018/what_day_is_it.mov?ex=684fea96&is=684e9916&hm=729321c820bba7dcd3e4bf6e33218a3c0947b26dd5dd394798108d715d2ac3bb&

[amber dock]

Not Ron related

Mods delete

[tacit gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914578216818200626/1325133724375056384/caption.gif

[prisma tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-discord-tenni-tennis-gif-1852392060093005411

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[upbeat shore]

Where?

[pine drum]

FINALLY BEAT THE GAME!

S RANKED EVERY MISSION!

[limber night]

Omg DMC reference in my RoN server?

[tulip valve]

Nice! Congrats! Now S rank all of it on Iron Man!

[distant tree]

Ok so I’m a console player and I already preordered the game and the dlcs

Would it be a good idea to nonlethal the entire game on my first run when it downloads

[limber night]

Noooo

[distant tree]

But I could use the M32 as a comically large bullet

I really hope that’s possible

[coral saddle]

Are there any benefits to pre ordering the deluxe edition or can I just get the base game and upgrade later

[distant tree]

You could just buy the dlcs later

Other than that I don’t think the deluxe edition comes with anything else

[distant tree]

Why not

I’m not here to enjoy myself

I want the watch and the Hawaiian shirt as soon as humanly possible

[urban mural]

You just need get the S rank for that in Valley of the Dolls and it's a pain that map.

[distant tree]

I’ve seen vids on it and it doesn’t seem enjoyable but it is really funny

Also you get both from the same mission?

[limber night]

Non lethal is just the worst experience in this game imo, it's not fun and most of the time very annoying

[distant tree]

I’m aware

However I want the funny shirt

[urban mural]

To get the T-Shirt you need get S rank on Valley of the Dolls.

[distant tree]

How do you get the watch

Apparently really hard to get

[urban mural]

Which watch?

[distant tree]

Oh I found it

It’s the one you get for doing Ironman without dying or losing an officer

Can’t be that hard

[limber night]

Ironman is just not dying, so it's either matter of skill or bullshit

[distant tree]

I need the Rolex

This is going to be a mistake on my part but I’m committed

It’ll look so clean once my soul has left my body after 18 missions that I’ll probably start over 50 times

[urban mural]

Aren't you also supposed to make sure that your officers don't die or resign from duty?

[limber night]

Idk, I don't play gimmick gamemodes

[distant tree]

If you want the watch you do

[urban mural]

I just tryna get the Iron Mode done...

[distant tree]

According to google you have to beat the game on the highest difficulty without dying or losing any officers

I assume losing an officer would also apply to them resigning

[rotund cypress]

Saw a thing saying console players would get the new weapons if they pre-ordered the game, are they not gonna be free for console players?

[limber night]

we only know it's a pre order bonus

[rotund cypress]

Damn

I mean Void wouldn’t be scummy enough to monetize something on console that pc players get for free, right?

[stone bay]

ronsole is officially one month away

[limber night]

It's not really their fault this time around as MS and Sony require some sort of pre order bonus.

But maybe they would be

[winter gate]

when is this speed run thingy happening today ?

[amber dock]

#announcements message

[stable kernel]

Speedrun event is delayed and will not be today

[amber dock]

It’s joever

[icy flower]

guys

im installing ron!!!

[icy flower]

99%!!

[wooden prawn]

why would ready or not go for rendering mp4 files for animations (pre-rendering) instead of real time rendering?

[icy flower]

idk

[wooden prawn]

wouldn't it be better for performance to do real time rendering

and overall look better

[hearty mirage]

Fellas. I've completed all of the main levels on S tier, but I'm unable to access the "rest." The ones that aren't DLC.

Sinuous Trail is the last one I've unlocked

[molten forum]

when is it launching

[fervent hinge]

In a month

[sand compass]

July 15

[hearty mirage]

Checked Commander Mode and it's the same there, not sure what I'm missing

[amber dock]

I don't understand what you mean

You say you've S ranked all main levels but you can't accees the rest? the ones that are not DLC?

There aren't any hidden levels of any kind

[hearty mirage]

Like The Elephant

To my understanding that isn't a DLC level

[amber dock]

But how can you have S ranked all main levels then if you're missing the elephant map?

[hearty mirage]

There are 18 base game level, yes? I have seven of them

[amber dock]

Then be more clear next time

[hearty mirage]

Not sure. I have the gear that requires you to complete all main levels on S tier

The SWAT '99 stuff

[amber dock]

Just play the level that is the latest and complete all main objectives and don't die

grade doesn't matter

[hearty mirage]

Patrick, I have completed seven of them on S tier. That would mean I've completed all the main objectives and didn't die

But after completing Sinuous Trail, it just says I've unlocked Sinuous Trail

[amber dock]

that's not what you said above

You said 'main levels'

[hearty mirage]

That's what the game says

[worldly ridge]

Main levels are ALL base game missions

[hearty mirage]

I am pretty sure I would not have unlocked the SWAT '99 gear had I not met the requirement of completing all main levels

[worldly ridge]

bug

[hearty mirage]

Which I have not done, because I do not have all of them

[worldly ridge]

Then you have NOT completed ALL main levels. Simple

[amber dock]

Then next time don't say all 'main levels'

[worldly ridge]

A cosmetic unlock by a glitchy system is not a basis for what is a main level and what isn't

[hearty mirage]

Alright, moving on. Any idea on how to "unlock" the rest of the main levels?

[worldly ridge]

Play the game

[hearty mirage]

I've verified game files and reinstalled, kind of stuck now

I've played the game as much as it lets me

[amber dock]

I just told you what to do

[worldly ridge]

Next mission after Elephant is Rust Belt

[amber dock]

play the latest mission you have and do all main objectives and don't die

[worldly ridge]

Check quickplay, idk

[hearty mirage]

I'm stuck at Sinuous Trail

I'll replay it and see what happens

[desert island]

just kill everyone and dont be killed if u wana open all the missions

killing 1 civilian lets u skip getting the rest

[coral saddle]

How many more mission dlcs are they making

[amber dock]

For paid ones they are likely sticking with 3 as before

[vapid mirage]

quick question guys, is slug viable against body armor enemies like sins of the father?

[icy flower]

guys

lethal obsession is too hard.I can't finish it😔

i always get an E or F

[urban mural]

It's not hard, just check peek every door.

[icy flower]

no no

its just too hard

[buoyant pecan]

Finally got the Home Invasion dlc
Lawmaker is hella hard

[iron nebula]

Should I pre order normal or deluxe edition?

[icy flower]

normal!!

[iron nebula]

So I shouldn't go ahead and pay for the dlc's?

[icy flower]

er

no!

you could buy another game with it!

[iron nebula]

It's only like 20 extra

[icy flower]

then buy it😔

[icy flower]

i finished it and got an A

[urban mural]

If you want an S, use door wedges, don't give AI teammates beanbang shotgun, remove ammo from their pistols and have negotiators, pacifiers and intimitadors on the team.

[vapid mirage]

guys is home invasion or dark water better? i do prefer the dark waters cosmetics but idk if the maps are all that good

[amber dock]

DW maps better then HI for sure

[merry bloom]

Wait for a sale and buy both of them.

[vapid mirage]

alright

[bitter mason]

I'd probably say dark waters gives you the trickier maps of the DLCs
home invasion is a bit of a mix

[covert aurora]

Oil rig best map

[amber dock]

most immersive for a black hawk insertion

too bad no cutscenes like these

I asked Kam but he said no

https://tenor.com/view/pfp-eyes-gif-24193089

my dream

[desert island]

does tear gas kill people or does it make them play dead

[covert aurora]

No

To both

[desert island]

Cuz this guy on the cabin map just dropped dead after i tear gased him twice

[covert aurora]

Interesting! I have never heard that happening.

[amber dock]

@crude prism can maybe answer but to my knowledge CS shouldn’t kill

[covert aurora]

^

[limber night]

Inb4 the suspect just shot himself and he didn't saw or something

Oh ofc, automod

[sand hull]

Wondering if the no MnK support at launch on consoles is still accurate

have we had any updates on the topic after the FAQ?

[crude prism]

Technically, gas DOES do damage to anyone that isn't immune to CS effects (SWAT w/gas mask or lethal obsession gas mask suspect)

It's just that the damage is 0.2 HP/sec which means that a standard suspect would have sit in it for 800 seconds to incap, and another 800 seconds to die. So... highly unlikely, but technically possible on extremely injured suspects.

Suspects will not play dead to gas related effects, possible he got shot by another suspect, or committed self delete.

(or walked into 2 tripwires and incapped himself, lmao)

[amber dock]

Still accurate

[amber dock]

Wonder who tested this sitting through 800 seconds

[desert island]

math it out

by dps

[crude prism]

nobody does "testing" anymore grandpa, I just have grok summarize all of RoN's files and display the info I want

It's 100% accurate as long as you don't attempt to verify any of the information yourself

[amber dock]

Just because if that

I’m gonna test it

(Legally I’ll say I won’t)

[desert island]

a swat ai killed me with a stinger nade once

[crude prism]

Yeah that one is actually (((possible))) instead of infinitely improbable

(don't walk into your own stingers, kids)

[desert island]

how does stingers work is it just random pellets

cuz i just shot a stinger into a wall behind 2 guys and it didnt stun them

[crude prism]

nah it's just a simple LOS check from detonation point to anyone within the blast range, with all the fun of object obstruction

[desert island]

damn super rigged i walked down stairs into the doll room and 2 guys behind the shelf wit boxes, i shoot it into the wall and they both werent stunned

[bitter mason]

Stingers are unfortunately not all that different from flashbangs

[desert island]

yeah looks like both do friendly fire damage

[bitter mason]

they really need to change up how they work a bit,
my thought is flashbangs should be able to get suspects through cover like props and detail and around some corners but not through walls ofc
while stingers have a larger AOE, deal more damage than they currently do making them dangerous if used in a tight area but they wont go through cover

then stingers are your go to option for those larger more open areas and flashes can contend a bit better against gas

[desert island]

make flashbangs nonlethal and replace stingers with frags

[bitter mason]

also when breaching using gas I think the AI should wait a bit after it goes off to let it spread

[bitter mason]

❌

[bitter mason]

they can all do friendly fire damage, flashbangs wont be as bad if you equip your guys with goggles, sometimes it says you get penalised but you dont actually lose points at the end, idk if thats a mod thing on my end
stingers are just friendly fire machines tho, no way to be resistant to them

which would give stingers some use if any suspects were immune to flashbangs but they havent even made most of the gasmask suspects immune to gas so

[desert island]

wish the grenades had a more distinct pov

like take out grenade it doesnt tell you which grenade you have sometimes and you gotta angle it to see its shape

at least paint their spoon

also lockpicks being less lenient than door handle is annoying

[bitter mason]

The ui shows what grenade you have but yeah sometimes it can be a little awkward to tell

[limber night]

Idk I never had an issue telling apart the stinger, cs or flash

[bitter mason]

Neither really but i can see where someone would need to look twice atleast between the flash and cs

[limber night]

The way I do it is I always carry only one type of nades on me

[bitter mason]

Thats definitely a way to not confuse them lol

I got them extra equipment slots on gunfighter so i tend to expand my options a little

[limber night]

I mean I'm just used to how I run my setups with friends as we usually have like two guys run flashes and the others just carry wedges, etc

[bitter mason]

Fair

I try and make use out of the stingers where i can so they dont feel left out

They really need a change

[crude prism]

stingers are just better flashes tho, unless you're busy skill-issuing yourself with nade tosses

[stable kernel]

Ok pal, let’s see you bank nades off doors/frames after they reduced the bounce

[stable kernel]

Can grok update my mods?

[pine drum]

Why the fuck do you get misconduct for LTLing civilians who reach for their phones? I feel like realistically that isn't considered misconduct....

Would it upset some fools online? Yes... But if a cop tells you not to reach for anything and to get on the ground, THAT MEANS DON'T REACH FOR ANYTHING

[stone bay]

will there be mods on console?

[pine drum]

Anyone else always shoot Sah'id in the knee?

[tiny quail]

who's sahid again

quadamah?

[bitter mason]

That animation is technically them already surrendering you can just arrest them as they do that animation

[gleaming gorge]

If ill be honest, I just Shoot Civs with one Pepperbal atleast before I ask for hands

technically not Misconduct

[crude prism]

https://tenor.com/view/chowder-cartoon-network-spray-ouch-painful-gif-15966061

"just a little bit of seasoning"

[gleaming gorge]

I have Actually Tested it and these all do not count as Misconduct for civs when they are not Surrendered
Tasing, CS, Pepperball, Stinger, And Weapon Butting

[crude prism]

yessssssir

just a little polite motivation

[gleaming gorge]

A Swift Muzzle butt to the Groin makes the One Wife on Valley of The Dolls stop Punching you

[crude prism]

nah go back, it's funnier to suggest that Voll's wife is a dude

[gleaming gorge]

I thought of min Viewmodels and How Low they are

also, i have found a Way to PVP in this game, but in a Roundabout way, Without going in a Mission, Shoothouse allows you to Straight up Murder your friends and they Respawn

[crude prism]

me trolling my friend who doesn't have name tags enabled by wallbanging him in the shoothouse for 10 minutes as he crashes out

peak gaming

[light nest]

is the update out yet or nah

[upbeat shore]

Is it July yet or nah

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/schedule-nothing-more-nothing-the-simpsons-gif-14537220042794869759

[light nest]

maybe

[silver palm]

We’re almost there

[patent axle]

I fell off the podium outside the enterance of the station

I cant feel my ass

Halp

[ashen scroll]

guys

do you know where the subtitles setting is ?

[patent axle]

Sounds

[gleaming gorge]

ill be honest, Subtitles just feel like Cheating sometimes

I know the Voices are unidentified but still

[limber night]

Fair game since ai cheats in it's own ways

[gleaming gorge]

I swear Methheads are invincible

[ashen scroll]

thanks

[ashen scroll]

my buckshot would like to disagree on that

[languid pasture]

GOOD MORNING RONSTERS

[sand hull]

good morning

[sand hull]

i like this. i approve of this.

kinda worried about controller binds though

[languid pasture]

What’s that’s?

[sand hull]

tactical game, hella keybinds.
Not sure if my PS5 controller will be able to keep up with the full experience

praying to whatever god will listen for MnK support post launch 🙏

[languid pasture]

🙏🏾

[gentle void]

Love this game, killed a hostage taker and got unauthorized uof

[limber night]

It is what it is

[gentle void]

dont yall think that devs should change use of force on maps involving terrorists?

[shell bridge]

So.... where's Officer Garcia in Carriers of the Vine mission?

[gentle void]

who dat

[shell bridge]

The officer supposedly pinned down at the courtyard

[gentle void]

i think im the only guy that doesnt pay attention to plot and briefing

never opened the map or listened to briefing

[shell bridge]

By the time I was finishing up the mission, I spotted that the courtyard had an open door to wine cellar with a crane, but something looked off about it, I could look far into it, and then I remembered seeing a downstairs area in the bedroom building. I thought they might have killed and hid her body in the cellar, but alas, nope.

I even thought the 2nd non-white dress woman in the cabin building far into the forest was her, but nope, that's not her either.

So they just forgot about her I guess?

[gleaming gorge]

I think he Is maybe in an unmarked Grave like the ones by the Church

[shell bridge]

Well the officer pinned down in the courtyard was a woman, there was another officer's body that was found near the vineyard

But I think the graves were actually of all the abusers that they were hunting down, or it could be the other girls. Both theories hold up as they have the little wooden headwear on graves

So its either that they killed their abusers, and kept their individual headwear on the graves as a metaphorical release of mental burden (I am mega reaching here), or simply they lost some girls and their headwear was kept there as a sign of memory.

[patent axle]

I always thought ofc. Garcia and the sgt. She was riding with were buried in the graves

But thats probably because im a simpleton and cant think of anywhere else they could be given they dont appear by their crown vic

[sonic harbor]

btw when new update come out

[amber dock]

Next month

[sand slate]

Along with console release

[rigid depot]

Yippeh finally gonna be able to switch from steam deck 800p to xbox 1080p

[sand slate]

1080 only damn 😔

[rigid depot]

Shatap not everyone has a gazillion dollars to spend on a 1440p monitor

[sand slate]

Oh you don’t have a tv

I see, I forgot resolution was for the screen not the console

[wooden wagon]

What do you guys use for shotguns? Slugs or buckshots?

[sand slate]

I prefer the A23 liberator assault rifle

[rigid depot]

You play pc on a tv??

[sand slate]

I play console on a tv

I don’t yet have the game 😔

[wraith gale]

Amazing choice soldier.

[sand slate]

Ready or not should be the next crossover ong

[wraith gale]

Frfr

[sand slate]

Frfrfr

[wraith gale]

Frfrfrfr

[sand slate]

Frfrfrfrfr

[narrow geode]

meoow

[limber night]

sprays u with water

[narrow geode]

[limber night]

[rigid depot]

Ohh aight

[brisk scaffold]

I use Buckshot with a choke

In real life double unbox spreads at about an inch every yard

00 buck

[drowsy plume]

Are my eyes okay or Post Processing settings really make the game more blurry the higher I set it***

[limber night]

What?

PP at high or ultra is more likely to make your game seem blurry due to Bloom and DoF effects

[shell bridge]

the hospital mission is one of the worst things ever made

[limber night]

Tbh I dislike hide and seek more than relapse

[long dome]

Standard Unreal acalability contains all the trash effects like color fringing (blur), motion blur, lens flare, DoF, bloom quality, etc. so yea, the higher you go the more soft the image gets.

[limber night]

Relapse is fine, just drags out

[limber night]

In short, set it to low for best clarity and sharpest image as it disables all PP effects

[drowsy plume]

I found medium the best, still retaining AO but not blurry as shit

[limber night]

Isn't AO a separate setting tho? Unless PP settings enable SSAO too

[drowsy plume]

I think it does, I've noticed ambient occlussion missing on low, and that looked really weird

[long dome]

In RoN some of the settings are exposed that override scalability. You can turn off motion blur entirely while having PPscalability at Epic for example.

PP scalability does include AO as well, you can see the default (reference) presets in UE docs:
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/scalability-reference-for-unreal-engine#postprocessing-sgpostprocessquality

[brisk scaffold]

So we should turn post processing down to low for better visual Acuity at least until next update?

[stone bay]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-boosting-gif-8194931279915975059

oh come on

[shell bridge]

I haven't done it yet, the next mission

I pray I like it, its a weapons trafficking bustdown, at a dockyard, in night while its raining

[limber night]

The setting is cool but I find the map annoying

[rustic rune]

For those who play RON with a controller, how is it ?. Like the button mapping

[left lake]

Decent

The commands for team colors is abit tricky at first but other than that it seems fine

[rigid depot]

vewy gud

[rustic rune]

Would you say it would compare to Arma reforger in terms of the button mapping and stuff

[rigid depot]

idk I don't play arma reforger but the button maps are very easy to get used to

[rustic rune]

Okay good as it has been a concern

[pine drum]

Nobody:

Absolutely Nobody:

Judge: "I like your cut G!"

[limber night]

I like the kick too

Slap n kick are so funny

[pine drum]

I get the kick, it's so they're forced to use their hands to catch themselves so they can't reach for a knife or firearm. The slap is just because the officer is annoyed.

[rigid depot]

lmao I was restraining brixley and while the animation was going on I was saying: "slap him come on"

[empty siren]

Judge is such a stud 😖

[pine drum]

We need a judge chad emoji

[empty siren]

Need.

[rigid depot]

I wish there was a gameplay setting that lets you choose between restraining animations

[languid pasture]

What’s up RONSKIS

[pine drum]

Police conduct simulator

[languid pasture]

There is a police simulator.

[languid pasture]

Needs to hurry up

[tulip valve]

Nuh uh

[rigid depot]

it's gonna release when I'm on vacation in Thailand

oh well at least I have it on steam deck I'll be able to play the new dlc

[languid pasture]

I pre-ordered this version DLC yeah good for you, man. Glad to hear it. Hope you’re having fun.

[rigid depot]

cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not

[languid pasture]

I can’t tell if he was just trying to mess with me because I didn’t get my game in yet😅

[shell bridge]

Just completed Hide and Seek

[pine drum]

I meant misconduct

I feel like the most unrealistic part of this game is how reliable non pepperball LTL is

Like from what I see in police footage and from what actual cops say that shit can be finicky at best, straight up a coin flip at worst.

[limber night]

If y'all want a real swat sim then get ready for a few hours long standoffs

[shell bridge]

Spoilers for Hide and Seek mission || I didn't realize it was the last mission, I thought they were starting to wrap up the individual story lines, weapon trafficking, drug trade, s*x trafficking, mass shootings, USIA agents etc. As a last mission, it doesn't really carry the weight of it all, the setting maybe. Some storylines weren't wrapped up, others were given 1 container. I did enjoy it tho, but it felt empty||

[limber night]

And not shooting at all for 99% of time

[shell bridge]

I'll get home invasion and dlc2 someday

[pine drum]

|| Yeah because the DLCs are gonna expand on them...||

[empty siren]

Hello chat

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-zzz-doro-pink-hair-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-1350981982149880909

[bitter mason]

I dont think any of the story was done well at all tbh

so many missing voice lines and characters, and the briefings are often times seemingly unintentonally inaccurate to the actual mission

[amber dock]

Mmh

[tacit gull]

god forbid we get useless info like the preparedness of suspects or what gear they have

[bitter mason]

Heres a tac map we wont tell you if its up to date or accurate at all tho you can figure that out yourself

Here is some suspect profiles that dont matter at all because the suspects are random anyways and arent actually distinct

[tacit gull]

Or i dunno maybe mentioning that the yacht MIGHT turn into an active shooter?

like anything mentioning that at all

[bitter mason]

or anything about yknow possible bomb threats

or ANY voice lines acknowlaging them properly

[limber night]

Tbh it makes sense that there are no 1:1 maps for us imo, but the planning is still useless

[bitter mason]

asside from
"TOC to entry team..."

[amber dock]

[bitter mason]

Im not asking for 1:1 maps just that the briefings need to mention how accurate they might be
like sins of the father they could mention the floor plans are from when it was built in the 1800s and there were rennovations since
anything like that

[limber night]

Omg is that old toc

[bitter mason]

SWAT 4 toc

[limber night]

I forgot how both sounded

[pine drum]

WOMAN/DUDE!

[bitter mason]

🤨 📸

[limber night]

?

[pine drum]

Ain't no way you said that in a public chat.

[limber night]

But what

[pine drum]

You... Edited it... You ain't gonna gaslight me.

[limber night]

I mean yeah? It was a typo after all

[pine drum]

Oh.

[bitter mason]

judge is a pretty cool guy

[pine drum]

But I've thought about making a TOC mod to give him more personality so he doesn't sound like a block of wood.

[fickle silo]

he starts to get some more personality if you shoot unarmed civilians

[bitter mason]

New TOC I think is miles better than the old one, I dont really think he has too much of a personality, profesionalism

[limber night]

I mean yeah, he ain't there to chit chat lol

[pine drum]

Yeah but like the crew has more personality despite being professional

[bitter mason]

They're more important tho

TOC is just kinda sat in a van the whole time

[limber night]

There's a difference between being on scene and being on the station all the time

They only report to him and he acknowledges that

[bitter mason]

and even then they didnt do too well with giving the squad much of a personality, I really think they should have just stuck with the og squad and gave them more unique dialogue and chit chat between them. Any comments the squad make rn are just random one sided things

sometimes a little out of place

[pine drum]

Eh, feel like the new squad is better.

[bitter mason]

better than nothing sure

[limber night]

Holy shit he didn't had to do them like that

[bitter mason]

overall they could be even better with judge actually making unique mission specific reports to toc like in swat 4
and the entry team actually talking with one another instead of making random passing comments

[pine drum]

Yeah, I want more of this.

[stable kernel]

It is just three toc lines cut together

Source: I made it

[pine drum]

Also, even if he's just responding while inside a van and trying to be professional, I'd imagine there would still be some unique mannerisms. Like as dry as the BO2 FBI announcer was, he had some personality...

[stable kernel]

There is a decent pool of lines for failed missions, one of which I wanted to use but I shall leave it up to you as a thought exercise as to why I did not include that one

[amber dock]

Uhhhhhhhh soruce please?

[limber night]

There's this guy who uses AI (ew) to like make some conversations between the squad members, it's pretty in character ngl

[feral sundial]

If it works, it works I guess

[amber dock]

‘I wonder if my friends stolen motorcycle is here’

Environmental storytelling

[pine drum]

HA

[limber night]

I like to headcanon that Swan being a gamer got LSPD that logitech sponsorship

[pine drum]

Not the craziest thing ever. Lincoln cars sponsored the Miami PD and gave them a show car.

[limber night]

https://youtu.be/JMXixKdS2DU?si=j2UBm9uqV-Rsoscw

[amber dock]

10/10 story right there

[hard stag]

is there any way to change swat ai count from 4 to 2 in singleplayer?

[amber dock]

no sadly

[bitter mason]

best bet is just leaving one team at spawn and only taking the other

[hard stag]

yeah i know alternatives but i thought that maybe there was a way to change that if there is a lot ai mods changing suspect ai count

[bitter mason]

with mods it might be possible but I dont think there are any mods that do that currently made

[hard stag]

having 4 dudes to manage is kinda annoying, 4 is too much to handle while entering room and its weird leaving 2 guys just standing behind looking at walls

[amber dock]

it doesn't sound hard to do tbh but there is no mod atm sadly

[cursive minnow]

I know Chan explored adding more swat AI but ran into issues with it no idea if he's still working on that but removing a couple AI might be easier.

[amber dock]

Chan is the goat with simple QOL mods

adding more deffo sounds like it would cause issue with their pathing and overall programming on maps etc

but redcuing deffo won't likley add as much issues

but with ron being ron it deffo would cause some issue probs

[cursive minnow]

I mean if he does it in the way where it basically removes one team and you just control what's left as one team than they should maintain the same pathing as if you were to split off one team but I wouldn't know how to go about doing that for a mod that's just how I'd imagine it would be done.

[amber dock]

it probs depends on how it's done depending from person to person

But Chan probs has lots of ways to go about it

[limber night]

Iirc he only made that to show it's possible, but never intented on working on it further

[gaunt rock]

best way to do neon tomb?

[paper pawn]

why when my friend joins my lobby he is stuck on like loading 100% for like 35 minutes but when he host it works perfect.

[amber dock]

For some it takes a long time for them to load into other people’s lobbies

If they are running DX12 it can take longer due to it compiling shaders and everything

So add on those 2 it can take some time

[merry bloom]

Stay out of large open areas like the dance floor and the pool area.

[pine drum]

I always clear the dance floor last.

[gaunt rock]

ok

[merry bloom]

A soft clear is usually ok

Just staying to the walls is the key

[urban mural]

Is the flashlight effective against suspects?

[paper pawn]

but then it does connection lost to hos

[amber dock]

All it does is startle them abit

That’s it.

[paper pawn]

why when my friend joins my lobby he is stuck on like loading 100% for like 35 minutes but when he host it works perfect but when i host he loses connection and sometimes i crash in his.

@amber dock

[urban mural]

How abt compromising their aim?

[amber dock]

No

Their aim is as good no matter what

[amber dock]

I already answered you above

Regarding losing connection is very hard to say what causes it since Ron uses p2p servers

Best you can try is to disable VPNs or anything that alter or does something with your connection/internet data

[urban mural]

Bruh lol just got a suspect falling for the bomb trap at the hotel mission lol...

[warped cave]

If I'm doing S rank with my friend, am i required to be alive to get the achievement

[amber dock]

Or actually no

I misunderstood your question

As long as you are in the lobby or spectating whatever and get the S rank grade it will count towards it

[cinder wren]

whats up with this stupid bug bro

when i press WASD it just makes me lean to different directions

[crude prism]

if you alt tab out of the game, your last registered input is pressing and holding the left-alt key

left-alt is the advanced lean system, just tap left-alt again when you tab back in

[harsh hound]

This might be a little bit dumb, but does anybody know if mods are capable of working on Xbox?

Or just consoles in general

[harsh hound]

Ah ok

I just realized that’s a sticker in the server, I guess it’s a pretty common question

[green flame]

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[empty siren]

I hate this gif.

[silver palm]

What did that poor sticker do to you

[lone oracle]

someone pls put rainbow six vegas 2 maps into ron

[halcyon mountain]

Yessss!!!!!!!

[strange depot]

Ready or not sucks

[valid raven]

Question

how much morale damage does a breaching charge do

[crude prism]

0.5 morale drain, assuming it is the first breach the suspect hears

[valid raven]

It is still pretty good

Even if they know you’re there

[valid raven]

can morale go back up if they lose sight of you i know you should not chase them but still

[crude prism]

if they are in a room by themselves, morale will not automatically rise, unless other actions are taken

suspects will gain morale passively when around other suspects and when taking offensive actions (like shooting at SWAT)

[spring saddle]

in single player is there any way to fix the bug where a gun attachment doesnt change no matter what? i have non lethal

[shy tulip]

For that specific less than lethal, yes

[lament hill]

what do we think the next theme will be after stories and console releases

[icy root]

Wish they would allow for a modding ability on ps5 for when it comes out on there.

[icy root]

Id love to see a more special forces take on things i think that keeps whats here already but takes the scenarios up a whole new level. Meaning things are more hostile and less stringent on “let me beg you to lay down your weapon” while still keeping that clear house aspect we all love

Mind you we are already pretty much at that but id love to see it stray a little from the police side of things and really put people in the shoes of special operators🤙🏼

[lament hill]

I honestly would like to see a bank heist of some kind if they continue the trend of paid DLC’s having 3 maps we could go Bank Casino and like another heist of some kind like a jewelry store or something

[lament hill]

I think the reason why is because Sony has always been strict on mods and such like I can count on one hand the amount of games with mods on console that come to mind

which is weird too because a bunch of games on the store are AI generated asset flips

never say never though it’s very possible we could get mod io support in the future

[icy root]

We will see i can only think of Bethesda games that do it tbh

[lament hill]

the stalker games have it too

I also hope they add MNK support in the future for consoles to

skater xl also has mod support for playstation too

[icy root]

I can see it happening but i think weve been in SWAT territory for a long time and opening the doors to a new broader field would give them ALOT of future roadmap to work with and let’s be honest who wouldn’t want to RP the bin laden raid.

Id sell my left nut to run that as a mission

Hell ill sell my right one too

[cinder wren]

valley of the dolls has me pulling out hair

[lament hill]

idk I wouldn’t be opposed to it cus of the yacht and oil rig missions but I think it would feel out of place for a game advertised as a SWAT shooter which even those maps are a bit stretching it but I could see some more maps set on the border if it would be more special forces type thing like cartel themed

[valid raven]

Honestly i like the stuff being based around a theme

[valid raven]

A cool map could be like a semi submersible based on that one raid

Although that feels like it would be too small

[lament hill]

I agree depending on what it is it can really open the door for a bunch of possible map ideas

[valid raven]

Although I do think they should keep the theme around law-enforcement

[lament hill]

yeah I’m in the same boat too I think some border operations would be cool like rusted belt

[valid raven]

Thinking one based around a train and terrorists are attempting to steal hazardous waste

[lament hill]

transport could be a cool theme

[valid raven]

One based around counterterrorism would be cool

[lament hill]

like planes trains and such

and airport raid would go so crazy like a no russian type of mission

[valid raven]

potentially adding like undercover agents that you have to be aware of

[shell bridge]

I like this, having a mental image of map but having it be somewhat out of date or suspects having blown up walls or something actually is a cool idea

adds new depth to navigation

[shell bridge]

This I hate, Along with them wearing hoodies over alleged vests, I never know what to shoot them with

My philosophy is that if I don't see a vest beyond a reasonable degree, I just load JHP on primary and shoot their legs and hands (wish they dropped the guns when hands were shot and switched to pistols)

[steep ridge]

shoot them with 20mm

[shell bridge]

good idea

don't even need to go in the building

[drowsy plume]

Is the face mask useful or not, and better just walk around without it or with gas mask

[shell bridge]

I rarely ever get shot in the head

[steep ridge]

yup if you dont wear it youll get covid

[shell bridge]

and aesthetics are more important than protection, only nerds care about survivability 🤓

[shell bridge]

it would be better if the objective itself never appeared, I don't know if it was the same in SWAT 4, but if there was a bomb threat, the game never told you at the start

it was only after you spawned in, walked around hearing the funny beeping noise and realized "oh shit" and reported it to TOC

[steep ridge]

its not even accurate either

they say they dont know of bombs but then toc says in the middle of match ‘hurry up and defuse bombs’

[shell bridge]

2? I would increase that shit to 50. One team for the balcony, one for the rooftop, one to blow an additional rooftop, one for the chimney, one for the front door, one for the back door, one to ram their APC on the side "door", one for helicopter dispatch, one for the window using ziplines

[steep ridge]

heavy skill issue

all i need is a second person with me for emotional support

[shell bridge]

muh realism

[shell bridge]

you do already ||TOC||

[steep ridge]

except toc yells at me when i commit war crimes

[shell bridge]

The things I'd do for a Sicario styled DLC

They already have the joint-agency "rough relationships" as seen in Hide and Seek by the exchange between Judge and FISA Officer

All they need to do is cook up a story how the city officials are impressed by Judge, Los Suenos situation is better, so now he needs to take his team and help some "advisors" on foreign soil, where the source of all drugs and human trafficking is.

Have some high value target extraction situation, with the joint agency, cook up some highway scenarios, some compound raid scenarios with more consistent story between the briefing and actual mission.

[lament hill]

I feel like it would work better if there was a ready or not 2 kinda like what door kickers did with door kickers 1 being SWAT focused and door kickers 2 being focused on military

[shell bridge]

Maybe

Or just start with the development on entirely different game (don't call it RoN 2) 2-3 years from now, Ready or Not still got more juice if they do it right

[safe dagger]

hello guys is there any mods that when i shot someone they bleed realisticly

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH0S2lDNYmv/?igsh=MWxqcXRrYjgyZmY2dQ==

like here

[narrow geode]

#🔧modding-chat message

[limber night]

That's a base game animation, you just need to meet specific condition to trigger it

He shot him in the throat which triggered the anim

It won't happen at all times though

[crude prism]

if I remember correctly, you have to hit specifically that bone (neck) and also roll the "arterial bleed" chance which varies by ammotype

(I think, maybe)

[limber night]

I haven't seen it that often since I only shoot center mass

I'm more likely to hit the headshot than neckshot cuz of recoil

[bitter mason]

Shots to the thigh can trigger it too

That's usually what I end up hitting to cause bleeding

[patent axle]

Unpopular opinion: best place to shoot is the balls ✋️😐🤚

[bitter mason]

I do somewhat wish the bleeding stopped if you manage to tie them up before they fully bleed out to just get an incap

Though they need to make incaps give you more points idk why they're the same as kills

[limber night]

Would be funny if the game did mortally wounded correctly

[patent axle]

Does mortally mean guarenteed death?

[limber night]

That's fatally wounded

Mortally is near dead/almost dead, but functional

[patent axle]

So if a shoot a suspect in the balls thats mortally right?

[limber night]

Shoot to the neck for example won't kill you straight away, but adrenaline will let you still perform some actions before blood stops flowing

[limber night]

I don't think that would be mortally wounding someone, but more like just wounding them

[bitter mason]

What we really need is actual debuffs for suspects when hit in certain areas like limping when hit in the leg, less accuracy or even dropping their gun when shot in the arm or hand

[patent axle]

Yeah but the plus side of shooting him in the balls is he cant produce anymore criminals

[wraith lance]

The more you look at a body, the more you see that EVERY part can lead to fatal wound

[patent axle]

Stop the criminal bloodline right there

[limber night]

It's just pixels, he won't reproduce anyways

[bitter mason]

He weren't talking about the game 🗿

[patent axle]

Who said anything about the game?

[limber night]

Ofc, but in most cases it ends up in mortally wounding someone and then their eventual death or them ending up in hospital in a very bad state

[limber night]

You literally asked "if a shoot a suspect..."

While we're on topic of RoN

In a RoN chat

[wraith lance]

Ups

[patent axle]

Yeah but i wasnt talking about no game 🗿

[limber night]

Good luck hitting someone's balls while they're not standing still

[patent axle]

Matter fact i think it would be more cost effective to just use a knife

Blow his legs off so he cant run then get to work 🔪

[bitter mason]

The feedback forum has been surprisingly quiet huh

[limber night]

He'll bleed out quick enough before you'll even have a chance to use a knife

Legs have alot of veins n all that, so bleedings there are quite deadly

[bitter mason]

Alright buddy jokes over
Shooting a man in the leg is a step too far...

[patent axle]

Thank the good lord for tourniqets

[limber night]

I think you just need to visit a certain doctor buddy

Cuz we're entering reddit territory of imagination

[patent axle]

I know i think these mushrooms are starting to hit 🙏

[limber night]

How old are you again?

[patent axle]

I aint telling 😁

🤫

[limber night]

So I assume you're still in middle school or a junior at high school

[patent axle]

Back in the day maybe

[bitter mason]

Getting high on sugary sweets brings out my effed up evil side mwuhaha 😈

[limber night]

He ate too many vitamin gummies 🥀

He ate two instead of one and he's tweaking

[patent axle]

My friend might i reccomend.... mushrooms?

Preferrably the green ones

[limber night]

Why are you even talking bout drugs

You give a vibe of one of those roblox guys that appear tuff and fake a deep voice

[patent axle]

Who said anything about drugs?

I was talking about normal mushrooms

[bitter mason]

I think your mushroom gone mouldy

They're meant to be white

[limber night]

I think his brain is a mushroom on it's own

[patent axle]

Rude

[limber night]

That was the point, yes

[bitter mason]

No more being mean let's be friends

Peace and loooove

[patent axle]

Unite the people in the power of the brown hash

Chicken flavour

[limber night]

No

[bitter mason]

💔 ....

[patent axle]

Epic embed fail

[crude prism]

they do tho? at least for a few seconds

[patent axle]

Fuck

[amber dock]

think he might need a trauma surgeon, just my thought

[limber night]

Oh? Well guess never seeing that is on me cuz I usually kill em too quickly lol

[patent axle]

Looks like hes pissing blood wtf is that?

[crude prism]

don't look up real arterial bleeds, but yeah, it's that

seriously don't

[amber dock]

let intrusive thoughts win

[limber night]

Still wish there was a bit more to it like them tripping over their own legs, etc

[bitter mason]

I accidentally shot a dude on hide and seek in the leg once and he started surrendering but just bleeding out
Just had to wait and watch him die

[patent axle]

Yes i think i will

[limber night]

But it's fine as it is tbh

[limber night]

For those who are too lazy to look up. It looks like the blood is pissing outta the wound that caused the bleeding

[crude prism]

just don't, no laziness. NSFL

[limber night]

Then the pressure dies the more blood leaks

[amber dock]

Imagine

GSW in a artery is a mess

it's alot of blood loss

[patent axle]

😐

[amber dock]

lvl 1 trauma center or you're not really making it

[crude prism]

OH MY GOD I HAVE TO SHOW YOU GUYS WHAT JST HAPPENED LMA

[limber night]

Due to my line of work I see some nasty cuts every now and then pretty much the moment they happen. It's why I usually carry a tq in my work pants pocket lol

[crude prism]

PLS HOLD

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/band-aid-gif-26718880

[patent axle]

What do you do?

[bitter mason]

Would you figure the bleedout time in game is realistic
I imagine it might vary from person to person but they seem to bleed out quick

[limber night]

Forester, but the people cutting trees ofc don't know what OSHA is

[patent axle]

Real

[limber night]

Or just in general we never follow OSHA

It's a suggestion after all smh

[bitter mason]

OSHA is for wimps
cuts off leg

[patent axle]

I mean the bleed out time is fine youre not gonna go walking around for 15 minutes pissing blood out of a gsw

[limber night]

You automatically don't have to follow OSHA the moment you get forklift certified

[patent axle]

Especially if theres an enterance and exit

Then thats 2 pissing holes you gotta worry about

[bitter mason]

Could definitely do with better animations for when they do die tho
There's already some slow drawn out animations so having them play instead of acting like they've just been shot again would be better

[patent axle]

Real the death animations are so dogshit

Just have them ragdoll and drop like sacks of shit like in real life

Not a goddamn movie mc death

[limber night]

That's why I use the ragdoll return mod

[bitter mason]

Some are okay
Ragdoll return is a great mod makes the ragdoll physics better too

[limber night]

It blends with some death anims too iirc

[bitter mason]

The worst animation might be the one where they look like they're being machine gunned in an action movie since that still plays even if you just one tap them

[limber night]

Looks great when you have visceral installed too

[bitter mason]

Hell yeah

[patent axle]

Wait whar

Theres an anim that looks like that???

[bitter mason]

Yeah

[patent axle]

😐

[bitter mason]

They kinda shake a bit like they're getting mag dumped

[patent axle]

Yeah maybe in a 70s movie

[bitter mason]

Very odd looking if you just one tap them

[bitter mason]

https://youtu.be/8B67GBfDHOs?si=NXX6S5U-gigJkpm3

[patent axle]

Epic embed fail

[bitter mason]

There's a few different versions
This is one I caught when 1.0 came out

[patent axle]

Dont worry gng i did it too 🙏

[bitter mason]

It's a YouTube link blud just open it....

[crude prism]

[bitter mason]

???

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-live-tucker-reaction-live-reaction-saul-goodman3d-gif-25769200

[crude prism]

bonk

[limber night]

LMAO

[stable kernel]

Looks familiar, eh?

Where did you get that one

[crude prism]

I may or may not be using it to get footage for the new wikigg we're building

[stable kernel]

Interesting

[patent axle]

[crude prism]

the RoN fandom page is like festering unmoderated corpse that's been left to rot in barrel

[crude prism]

also your map crashed my game when I kicked the locked door and then tried to order the AI to clear the next door with all the suspects behind it, unplayable

[stable kernel]

Eh

Not my problem

[crude prism]

truly a void representative

[stable kernel]

[limber night]

Sounds good

[crude prism]

there are no good fandom sites, fandom can suck me

[patent axle]

I think they would pass

🙏

[livid fulcrum]

this game is better than pokeymon 2

[patent axle]

Is that a backhanded compliment?

[limber night]

Real

[amber dock]

Hey uh homeland didn’t come with a home

Why’s this?

[stable kernel]

Read the fine print

You gotta build it yourself, and one person involved must have lumbago

[languid pasture]

Yo RONSTERS ☕

[amber dock]

Why didn’t you do it?

Lazy modder smh

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rdr2-red-dead-redemption2-john-marston-building-house-cougar-gif-26155096

[languid pasture]

What was that Eman

[amber dock]

Hey I’m trying to build a house man

People can’t leave us turtles alone smh

And people wonder why I keep moving

[patent axle]

Probably not

Void devs aint get paid enough for allat 🙏

[bitter mason]

I wonder how much money they're blowing on this swatfluencer thing

[crude prism]

the what now

[amber dock]

Check #announcements

[crude prism]

interesting

[bitter mason]

Yeah

[limber night]

Considering it's a sponsored event prob not as much, but still alot

[tacit gull]

cant wait to see martinshitonpants being complete operator

[crude prism]

I hope they just rotoscope a frog over him the entire time

[tacit gull]

cag face censor

[crude prism]

lmao

[shell bridge]

anyone ever tried a 1999-2004/5ish swat unit playthrough?

[bitter mason]

Yep

Well more just play some of the levels with classic swat kit

Pup swat outfit mod is peak

If only there was an m45 gasmask mod

[wet moat]

Yea, it's fun

[shell bridge]

I am planning to, got BeYkeRYkt's Pup outfits, HaveDoughnut's Colt pack, I have a lot of split-view gas mask options

And there are some other mods too adding other M4's and 1 new MP5 mod by XK

[bitter mason]

You do get an sf10 for beating the game
Though it doesn't sit on your head propely after the ue5 switch 💔

What kind of gas mask mods are around I've tried looking a bit I have an m50 one but that's it

[shell bridge]

I guess a lore-friendly progression would be to build a 4 man SMG team with 1 Shotgun guy for start, then slowly progress to mix of SMG and early Colt with barebone mods, then (somewhat) deck out 3 AR's, 2 SMG's and 1 Shotgun guy

[bitter mason]

Makes sense

[shell bridge]

Also got a Beretta 92 mod, got a 6 shooter option too

[amber dock]

There is the SERT mod

[shell bridge]

and if need arises.... I got a SAW 50

[amber dock]

That adds a SF10

And more old school gear

[bitter mason]

Ooh interesting does it actually fit on the face properly the vanilla one is too low down

[shell bridge]

SERT 2017?

[amber dock]

Ye

[tacit gull]

It's based on the old models so i think so

[shell bridge]

Yeah I got it

[amber dock]

I think that SF10 is slightly better then the vanilla one. I just wish there was a non tinted version

[shell bridge]

Off-note, please allow images on this channel (if there isn't a reason as to why it isn't allowed)

[amber dock]

And you can wear without helmet

SAS style

[bitter mason]

Baller I'll have to check it out

[limber night]

If anything images on #🔧modding-chat would be more useful

[amber dock]

There is alot of reasons

[shell bridge]

+1 to that too

[pine drum]

I'm surprised at some of the weapon selections in this game for criminals. Like there's no Dracos (shit guns anyway) or VSKAs (also shit guns) but they have the M45 SMG?

[limber night]

Don't you dare call Draco shit

[bitter mason]

Yeah suspect weapons are odd

Calico cough cough

[pine drum]

It absolutely is shit! The AK was never meant to be a pistol!

[shell bridge]

I mean only when they don't take care of them

[bitter mason]

Makarovs just kicking around like they're more common than glocks

[limber night]

I mean it's just a lil smaller than an 74U

Soooo

It's a pistol only cuz of legal reasons, but it's pretty much as much of a rifle as 74U

[pine drum]

Yeah with no fucking brace or stock!

[bitter mason]

I wish I was could mod I'd make the craziest overhaul ever

[limber night]

Well still, it's just an ak with short barrel

[pine drum]

I mean, in the story the Russians are illegally importing weapons so it kinda makes sense.

Though what makes less sense is they are all STAR MAKAROVS

[bitter mason]

Yeah but even still I feel like most criminals should still get glocks

Or any other western civilian firearm

[pine drum]

Or if it's eastern, it should be more common

Again... Fucking dracos

Or VSKAs

[limber night]

I mean Dracos are made in US too

You don't see romanian ones that often due to import laws

[pine drum]

Like some of the rare ones make sense, like that one gun with the helical top loading magazine. For some reason those were very popular in the California criminal underground

[bitter mason]

I might be getting mixed up with the ai mod I use but I feel a lot of early game suspects shouldn't be carrying backup guns all the time

[limber night]

Not sayin there are no romanian ones, it's just that you're more likely to see a american made draco

[pine drum]

Oh celdis said it... The calico

[bitter mason]

Oh fr

[pine drum]

Yeah those weren't all too uncommon in Cali during the 80a and 90s for some reason.

[limber night]

Yeahhh, but that was like in the 90s. No one has that shit anymore except some collectors

It's an uncommon gun these days

[bitter mason]

I feel like that gun is really out of place for how much you see it

Do we know if the game was originally going to be set in the 90s or so

[limber night]

No, it was just meant to be more noir iirc

[bitter mason]

Like pre early access

[pine drum]

Maybe Los Suenos never introduced the assault weapons ban California has IRL...

[bitter mason]

Ah ic

[limber night]

Even your team was meant to use guns like AR18s or Swedish Ks iirc

[visual wing]

i got a question, i just beat ironman mode without losing an officer but the developers watch is still locked, i got the achievements too

[limber night]

Back when the game was still about underfounded dept

[bitter mason]

I do remember a Callander asset in the old police station that had 1990 something on it which made me think that was the original year they wanted the game to be set during

[pine drum]

Tbh, that kinda doesn't make sense for a city like los suenos

[bitter mason]

Did any of them resign

[shell bridge]

Actually seeing the city, it does

[visual wing]

1 did

[bitter mason]

I think that's why

They can't die or resign

[limber night]

Why do you think they dropped that narrative then

[visual wing]

oh ok thank you

[bitter mason]

They just swapped it from underfunded to understaffed I guess

[shell bridge]

There should have been this progression, smooth progression of D-Platoon changing the city up. But it goes from Gotham to Rivendell in the end.

[pine drum]

That's a class divide thing, not a lack of funding thing. A city can be rich as hell and not give a fuck about it's citizens like... Oh I don't know... THE CITY IT'S BASED ON?

[bitter mason]

Still need an actual police presence other than the entry team in the levels tho

[limber night]

I think there's still some underfunded narrative, but it's just not that present

[pine drum]

They do fix that in home invasion a bit.

[bitter mason]

Much of the story feels unrefined

[bitter mason]

Eah not much

[waxen slate]

Theres a story?

[limber night]

In the end it all depands on how the writers want to present the world lol

[bitter mason]

Narcos has a few cops outside
Dorms has one in an ambulance and his partner and no one else not even a medic
Lawmaker doesn't seem to have anyone

[bitter mason]

Exactly

[pine drum]

I think they're focusing more on the class divide aspect rather than the whole city just being shit.

[shell bridge]

They should have locked all weapons except for some double barrel shotguns and broken MP5's, given lantern attachments for lights

[limber night]

Well rn maybe, but back then idk

maybe it was the other way around

I'm talking like 2018

[pine drum]

Yeah ik

[bitter mason]

Honestly I do think weapons and attachments should be unlocked as you progress the commander mode

[pine drum]

But you asked me why they abandoned the narrative of an underfunded pd

[pine drum]

Ehhh, not really... That's dumb...

Especially for a "realistic" tac shooter

[bitter mason]

For quick play and multiplayer they are all unlocked

[limber night]

It was a rethorical question

[pine drum]

My bad.

[shell bridge]

Not really, you can't cry underfunded and run around with GPNVGS and full IR vision gear and thermal scopes

SWAT 4 had weapon progression, and it felt alr

Might as well through units progression too, you start out a basic first responder with a Glock, a flashlight and some TicTacs and progress to get better gear.

[pine drum]

I don't think it's "underfunded" anymore, I think it's more "we lack resources". Those are two different things. They could just not have enough police. Which is a real problem in LA. They don't lack funding, just manpower.

Oh yeah! Not to mention it isn't uncommon to have financial dumps where the police department allocate all their resources to the parts they feel are most important.

[shell bridge]

If they wanted to go with a class divide story, could have some story where all funding is going into security for rich people rally or something

and units not being available to respond somewhere else, in a not-so-rich neighborhood

2 cops talk about this in the game, when you finish it

[pine drum]

That's kinda implied at the station.

You hear two cops talking about an event they were asked to do overtime at.

Specifically for rich assholes.

Oops

Sorry

[shell bridge]

Yes, but we never feel it. I am no good writer, someone else can prob write some direct interactions with it, as Judge or D-Platoon

[limber night]

Omg how could you insult the upper class

Quick throw rocks at this low income invidual

We have to defend the millionaires

[pine drum]

I feel like the strength of this game is environmental story telling.

[bitter mason]

eah, realism is just a marketing scheme, there is very little realism in the game really

[pine drum]

So...

[shell bridge]

Nah he's moonlighting poor so we don't raid his mansion

[limber night]

500 different cheese pizza rings already prove that too lol

[pine drum]

Why the fuck do you think I put it in quotes?

[bitter mason]

then you know already that realism doesnt really come into it

[pine drum]

But seriously, fuck off with equipment progression, that's stupid and I'd unironically delete the game if they added that.

[bitter mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell bridge]

Filtered by glorious SWAT 4 progression

[bitter mason]

I just figure a nice way to ease people in would be to not give them overchoice with weapons, let people try out new things at a specific pace by haiving the more modern weapons unlock through the commander mode and you start out with more limited options but all the essentials

[pine drum]

Especially because "equipment progression" doesn't make sense here. The guns damage are bullet based, the main difference is weapon length and effective range, and all that jazz

[bitter mason]

Its not like a grind and I'd say you get everything before the final mission
and would just be there for the campaign mode, you could play quick play or mutliplayer and have everything already unlocked its just there for the campaign

[bitter mason]

🙏

[pine drum]

Yeah no... This game isn't for those who want their hand held. I learned that the hard way.

[pine drum]

Dumbest part of the game.

[bitter mason]

Its not hand holding

[pine drum]

Yes it is, you just described hand holding

Cause you're "overwhelmed" by choice.

[bitter mason]

its really not lmao

its just allowing people to explore its not forcing anyone to do anything

[limber night]

Idk, you get more than enough equipment at the beginning of SWAT 4 tbh, the progression just gives u more shit to play with which is cool

[bitter mason]

hand holding is doing something for someone

[pine drum]

That's the equivalent of a first world problem of the gaming world.

[bitter mason]

by your definition the progression of difficulty of missions is hand holding

[pine drum]

You're allowed to have your opinion, even if it's objectively wrong.

/j

[pine drum]

Bro, you're talking to a SOULS LIKE PLAYER

[bitter mason]

makes sense

[shell bridge]

If you want me make it fair, just make it so that all the important gear unlocks near 60% of the game

[limber night]

I mean I wouldn't mind RoN having gun progression, but imo they would have to cut like 60% of guns since most of them are literally the same (15 different AR15s or 4 MP5s)

[bitter mason]

Throwing people into the deep end is a great way of gate keeping playerbases and thats not good hot take

[shell bridge]

for the rest of the 40% missions, you can still have fun with all the new gear you unlocked

[pine drum]

I'm self aware to know it's not for everyone, but also I know I'd fucking hate that and it would want to make me put down the game indefinitely. WHICH I DON'T FUCKING WANT.

[wet moat]

Alot of the game mechanics in RoN you have to learn from experience, what loadout to use and when to use it i.e. Don't use gas when doing sullivan slope and use Mirror on that mission and Ides of March

[bitter mason]

bit extreme really its not that big of a deal

[pine drum]

It absolutely is because it would change a core mechanic of the game.

[bitter mason]

the problem there is sullivans slope is the only map where a gasmasked suspect is actually immune to gas

[pine drum]

Trial and error is the name of the game.

[bitter mason]

but not pepper spray of pepperballs

[shell bridge]

But atleast you are getting A Rank in a life or death high-stakes mission to show your superiors that you are able to handle yourself, your team and the equipment at your disposal, and not planning to unlock a palm trees T-Shirt for your visit of the Voll family's pool party

[bitter mason]

Having equipment unlocking doesnt really take away from that really

im not saying you only get access to like CS gas on a mission that specifically deisnged for CS gas

[pine drum]

Kinda does, because it gives you less room to experiment early on

[bitter mason]

It just eases players into different options

[wet moat]

sounds like you werent the one experimenting early on

[pine drum]

Again, that's the equivalent of a first world problem in video games. 🤣

[shell bridge]

You experiment with the mechanics, the main focus. Get yourself accustomed to the outside forces.

[pine drum]

You can do that without weapons progression

[bitter mason]

Its just game design dude

I have no problem with how it currently is

[pine drum]

Yeah, and I think it sucks.

[bitter mason]

I've been playing the game since early access I know what Im doing

[wet moat]

after 108.6 hours i still experiment with different equipment/tacticals in regards to how fast I can finish a level with atleast B Tier (whilist arresting named suspects)

[bitter mason]

I just think it would be neat to have a bit of equipment progression for Commander only

again not for multiplayer just commander mode

[pine drum]

See the whole point of criticism is to improve something... I personally don't think it would improve the game. Like I get why they got rid of the Tac700

That thing was OP

Had a massive mag

[bitter mason]

after 552.4 hours I play the game and have fun :)

[limber night]

I wouldnt' say it was OP, more like the huge mag actually let you fucking play non lethal like a normal human being

the current non lethals all suck except the shotgun

[shell bridge]

Same, maybe they can add it as a mode. I am not asking for complete change, just an option.

[pine drum]

I'll give you that...

[bitter mason]

hot take I think the TAC700 should make a comeback in some form in the long tactical slot

though it might be too good for long tactical

[pine drum]

But that's unironically realistic

[bitter mason]

yeah id be down for that really

[pine drum]

That could work.

[wet moat]

they are adding a new non-lethal pistol July 15th

[bitter mason]

the commander mode sucks anyways
the entire presentation of the story is pretty crap

[limber night]

Nah it should always be a primary gun, it was this way in SWAT4 and during EA and it was great. making it a long tactical on top of having a primary gun is what would make it op

[bitter mason]

I would also kill for a beanbag shotgun in the same sawn off style as the breaching shotgun for long tactical

[pine drum]

Yeah, a 7 round pepper ball pistol when it takes 3 shots to actually get people effected... Good idea.

Then yet again, it's a backup

[bitter mason]

Holds less and sways a lot when moving but its short and a good backup

[wet moat]

it's better to have something that is non-lethal as a secondary when S Ranking the game

[bitter mason]

This is where I love SWAT 4 SEFs weight system

[wet moat]

prevents the AI from killing with a pistol despite no mags

[bitter mason]

let me just pack crazy ammounts of things at the cost of movement speed and bulk

[shell bridge]

I agree, but for me the main gripe is the inconsistency. Maybe they should add better evidence related to what we would find in mission and more viewing options, instead of the random 726 Karat whatever plated blah blah blah thingy.

[limber night]

I mean they could just let you also pick ammo types for the breaching shotgun lol

[pine drum]

Especially so your AI don't mag dump people instead of fucking reloading

[bitter mason]

true

[limber night]

That would be literally enough

[bitter mason]

but it needs that orange on it

[limber night]

Ehhh, not really

[wet moat]

it's a Breaching Shotgun, it breaches

[shell bridge]

Send all those random donations to the Memorial.

[limber night]

I mean sure it's for the style n all, but irl you can load bout anything into a pump action

[bitter mason]

everyone the orange is actually what makes it less lethal not the ammo type

[wet moat]

time to grab the squad nerf guns

[bitter mason]

yeah but the pump action is like deisnged for the breaching, it has that choke on it, the pump even has some protection for the hand

[pine drum]

There's a mod for that

[bitter mason]

the beanbag version woudlnt have the choke and a normal shaped pump but it would be brightly coloured to indicate its yknow, less lethal

[wet moat]

they are all out-of-date

[limber night]

I mean, the muzzle device wouldn't be a problem anyways, cuz even irl on top of shooting breaching rounds you can load regular ammunition in case of emergency

[bitter mason]

I suppose

but I would still like it to look like a beanbag shotgun

[limber night]

Sure, I'm just sayin it would be easier (and better) just to make it an ammo type instead, cuz RoN has a serious issue with making everything it's own thing

Like how we have 4 different MP5s

Which could've been reduced to one by just expanding on the attachment system

[bitter mason]

true

anyways 20 more AR platform guns

[limber night]

Like putting on the foregrip would make the A2 handguard into KAC ris one

Or putting on suppersor would make it into an SD

etc

Cuz while A2 is a vibe, there's no reason to run it over an MP5A3

Same with SD btw, it was an useless addition imo

[pine drum]

Honestly the current balancing is the best imo