👮ron-discussion

[opal holly]

i dont understand sometimes

like how am i paying like 50 pounds for ready or not then needing to pay more for maps

[white gazelle]

Have not played this since right after the first DLC, but they had made the player be able to take a lot of shots, and the suspects were overall weaker.
Is this still the case, or has the game swung back to being fun ( hard ) again?
More like pre 1.0
Thanks for the response.

[stone bay]

capitalism man

[opal holly]

lol

[stone bay]

the first dlc had bad reviews because of this

[winter pendant]

you don't need to pay for it if you play in a lobby with someone who did

[smoky skiff]

I say it’s literally super hard to do it using AI since they move based off your commands instead of co-op where humans will have a easier time

[opal holly]

icba

[stone bay]

still

[muted root]

Instead of giveaways I’d like us to have bug fixes

[summer copper]

24 now buddy lock in

[opal holly]

like i brought the first dlc and icl it was so disappointing like the maps were mid in my opinion

[winter pendant]

I generally only buy games on pretty hefty sale, so I never really.. super mind..

[stone bay]

ehh for every DLC map theres 3 equal modded maps

[stone bay]

dam

[opal holly]

ik i jst didnt like them

[limpid sparrow]

In 3 Letter Triad, what is that device we open and what's the purpose?

[gusty burrow]

Its a bio bomb

[summer copper]

the lawmaker map is great wym

[opal holly]

thats the only one i dont mind

[winter pendant]

map is great, the space isn't utilized well enough

[shy tulip]

It’s a party popper

A fog machine

[white gazelle]

Except it is hard to get people to download mod maps to run with you

[opal holly]

dorms and the other one arent like good imo

[winter pendant]

narcos is good but it's also very different

[stone bay]

except its really not that hard

[winter pendant]

it's closer to a sdif level than RON

[shadow ether]

The whole first DLC was mid for me but the second one really slaps imo

[limpid sparrow]

So am I supposed to open it as soon as I find it/ If not, does it explode?

[opal holly]

too poor for the 2nd one

[stone bay]

ehh i just like shooting people

[white gazelle]

At some point, I was hoping the Modded maps would be included in the server mod push to everyone

[opal holly]

so real

[stone bay]

i wish there was a place where i could shoot like minded people

like a Player versus Player sort situation

[white gazelle]

So only the host would have to have the mod map

[winter pendant]

I always say if you just wanna shoot ppl go play doom eternal or like literally any shooter, idk why ppl hop on a police shooter and then download no mercy

[stone bay]

the underground of los suenos PD is a start but i need better

[summer copper]

i believe you meant to respond to the other guy lol

[stone bay]

Lowkey lowkey its way better than any of those

it feels realistic yeknow

[shadow ether]

Because police shooter is being more police than actual police

[stone bay]

and i know theres recorded or whatever that bodycam game is

but ready or not is nice man

[stone bay]

all of them do

[shadow ether]

||imagine an "unathorized use of force" on an active shooter with a kill count||

[stone bay]

ehh i guess that would be cool but like

[white gazelle]

I know, this is what I am saying. I figured by now, only the host would have to have the mod and the people joining would be able to play.

[winter pendant]

I get unauthorized force so rarely idk what ppl mean

[crude prism]

Choose your gender:

Cash Grab Tactical Slop (youtubers REALLY hyped it tho)
Ground Branch
RoN
Give up on tactical genre

[stone bay]

yeah but then they have to download the entire map

[white gazelle]

It works this way with non maps, so it seemed like a natural progression

[limpid sparrow]

Yea forum moving fast

[stone bay]

Really?

[white gazelle]

Yeah, but they are not that big

[stone bay]

Other mods are autodownloaded by others?

[winter pendant]

SDIF? Squad?

[stone bay]

for my internet i would literally have to wait 10 mins for a roughly 300MB map

[white gazelle]

Been since right after 1.0 I played but that is how it worked then
And pre 1.0

[stone bay]

dam didnt know thta

[crude prism]

SDIF is fine, but doesn't really have replayability imo, and the AI is pretty scuffed.

[shadow ether]

When you shoot a suspect without screaming at them first or without them shooting you first, the game counts that as a big no-no

[white gazelle]

Ouch.

[stone bay]

i usually constantly yell

like Constanty yell, nonstop for 10 mins straight

[winter pendant]

I will say seeing what happened to Rainbow Six and Delta Force is like deeply sad

[tacit gull]

This got removed, replaced by the MK18

[white gazelle]

Did they make the game harder again, or can the player still take 6-8 shots before they are injured?

[stone bay]

some guy from 2 rooms over will be like "FUCK YOU!" and i wallbang him with my 7.62x51 HK LMG
fun times

[misty snow]

Shame. Accurate, but a shame.

[shadow ether]

Where did you get an LMG

[winter pendant]

idk man as long as people don't have their guns pointed like straight down I never have a problem

[crude prism]

Me expecting siege to be like R6 vegas games and have linear story missions with fun AI (and replayable maps), only to get 5v5 comp shooter and never any development of the AI modes.

IMMENSE SUFFERING

[limpid sparrow]

Am I supposed to open the bio bomb when I find it? If not, will it explode?

[white gazelle]

Then you discovered Ground Branch/?

[stone bay]

so if you equip the beanbag shotgun and glitch shoot at the G3 in the armory wall, it temporary unlocks a secret where you can go into the loadout and get unreleased guns like the LMG, very cool

[crude prism]

Ground Branch is basically unnaceptable having been in development since 2007. It's literally almost 20 years old and still has shite AI, lacking important systems, and no satisfying gameplay loop besides "go shoot bots that are worse programmed than R6 Vegas 2"

[gusty burrow]

I thinky youre actually not supposed to leave it open caus it says "unstable" and beeps faster

[shadow ether]

I have never heard of that despite looking for unreleased guns

[stone bay]

nah i lied theres an HK machine gun mod

[stone bay]

also if you want unreleased guns, install sniper or not mod. It works for others who dont have the mod installed in my testing

[limpid sparrow]

I left it open and nothing happened.

[white gazelle]

2007?
Maybe we are talking about a different game? The One I am talking about started dev around 2018

[gusty burrow]

Then its just a prop, I always left it closed and nothing happened either

[shadow ether]

I had sniper or not before the first DLC broke mods

[stone bay]

it was updated after

[winter pendant]

can you believe they canceled patriots for that

[stone bay]

idk about the second DLC tho

[white gazelle]

🤑

[winter pendant]

R6 Patriots woulda been a COD Killer

[shadow ether]

I feel like there's no need for it anymore because we got our long range rifles

[proper oracle]

i feel as if R6 Patriots would have been a repeat of what happened between the first Watchdog’s trailers and the actual game

[stone bay]

Yeah but, M24

imagine all of the dumb buffoonary you could do

[shadow ether]

Why M24 when M14

[crude prism]

I'm sorry, you're mistaken.

While it is debatable when they ~really~ started development (considering it had*** 2-4 people working on it for many years), BUT they gave public builds to youtubers 9 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY_4GNJywrg&pp=ygUZYmx1ZWRyYWtlNDIgZ3JvdW5kIGJyYW5jaA%3D%3D

And they still have test footage up on their official YT channel from 14 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-y3OF8Nzc&t=25s&ab_channel=BlackFootStudios

[winter pendant]

maybe so. ykno when they had the first overwatch trailer I thought the game was literally going to be about providing overwatch to tactical rescue teams

[stone bay]

because some people like to have fun

[proper oracle]

if only you knew

[stone bay]

i personally like to use it in PVP when fighting less than proffesional players

[shadow ether]

Exactly
So why not have fun with m14?

[stone bay]

because having an RPM the same as the RPS of an SMG is hilarious

[crude prism]

I am a GB hater. they coast off good will, and a front-facing customization system that seems really impressive, while the game has nothing else going for it

[stone bay]

also makes for extremely momentous occasions

[winter pendant]

I wonder if Zero Hour single player is going to be fun at some point

[stone bay]

they should add the welrod so i can complete my hilariously outclassed loadout

Bolt action pistol goes hard

[crude prism]

bro didn't you know? Zero Hour is the RoN killer!

[winter pendant]

they do have a dog and the dog is an interesting addition. and rappelling.

honestly I could get with a game that's just one officer protagonist and a dog

[white gazelle]

Ok yes, that is correct.
This was a passion project for a long time before the actually kicked it off.
The original RB6 guys started this project. Had a great plan.
Have not played in a couple years, but it was fun back then

[stone bay]

i would love to make my own mods for ready or not, but #1 i dont have epic games because i dont play fornite, and #2 i dont got the time

[shadow ether]

damn, rappelling would actually be sick in RoN

[winter pendant]

yeah.... maybe someday

[stone bay]

hell yeah

[winter pendant]

RON is too busy fixing bugs and trying to smooth out their gameplay to add all the nonsense Zero Hour has

[crude prism]

I hope they pull it off eventually. But it's just not there yet, and it's been a REALLY long time already, even if you just go by their 2018 "release"

It's one of those games you check once a year and see not much has changed

Indie indie

[shadow ether]

||RoN is too busy being SWAT 4 to be its own game||

[white gazelle]

Yeah, sounds about right. Last I checked they hired an animation person and were redoing a bunch of animations.
It looked like it was coming along.
The gun customization was going well, until it wasn't. That is about when I stopped.
But was about the closest thing to Terrorist Hunt

[winter pendant]

honestly?.... not sure. why do you think so? what would be different?

[summer copper]

you're not gonna fuckin believe this

[crude prism]

Based on most the dedicated RoN haters, I'm pretty sure RoN is anything BUT swat4

[winter pendant]

I really get a chuckle out of em saying the SWAT 4 AI is smarter

[summer copper]

lol true, apparently simpler is smarter

everything is kinda black and white AI wise in swat 4

[winter pendant]

simpler = harder to break, but man is it some rose tinted glasses

[crude prism]

yeah there's some cope in there, but other stuff (like sniper support, wider array of tools, more detailed ammo simulation) is definitely not in RoN

to be super honest, if other tactical games were in the state that RoN is, I think the genre would be much healthier

[white gazelle]

What hurt RON for me, was moving to a more run and gun stance after 1.0.
Enemies were weaker, player could take signifigantly more damage and the stamina was increased.
it was just a room full of players running thru maps with 0 regard.

[crude prism]

RoN IS still successful because of the modability (even when Void borks it with every major update) and functional/engaging base gameplay

meanwhile you have youtubers hyping up 6 month old projects that flop out of development because there's no studio behind them

[white gazelle]

The AI was getting really really good.
Needed more work, but we could see the vision they had for it.

[winter pendant]

yeah. it's like guy said a while ago. it feels better to play. smoother, less janky. but not perfect. I recently picked up arma and boy is it getting tiring digging through tiny menus and constantly rebinding keys just to get through a mission

[crude prism]

the real arma experience is going "what did I just press" because your camera locks in a certain way or your character is stuck in a sideways pose

or trying to fly a simple little helicopter only to explode 900 times trying to land

[winter pendant]

they also made Take On Helicopters and that game has god awful performance but the helicopter controls are way better out of the box

[white gazelle]

The real Arma experience is having a triangle folded cheat sheet of the controls on your desk you look at just to do anything.
Untill you have a couple hundred hours and start just winging it

[crude prism]

we're all wrong, the real experience is tapping a vehicle with another vehicle and exploding + flying away into space

[white gazelle]

LMAO

[stone bay]

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[restive compass]

I think we should rename those Protestor dudes from Lawmaker and Leviathan to Just Stop Oil

[shadow ether]

I just cannot shake off the feeling of SWAT 4 DNA in it. Like the mirror gun being pretty much an exact replica, the selection of tactical items being the exact same, some of the SWAT 4 stuff like every door opening both ways is here too, collecting weapons is here too, like... I struggle to name very specific things that are different, perhaps shield and door ram are a couple.
That being said, RoN is very awesome at being a tactical shooter with lore

[crude prism]

you'll be happy to know that player health is bugged the fuck out right now and we take way more damage than is supposed to be happening

(die in 4 hits with steel on, when it used to be 8, only ceramic protects you at all)

[winter pendant]

What would you like to see to make it branch out further? It has always had SWAT 4 DNA in it, they even had eezstreet on payroll for a bit there

[stone bay]

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thats better

[crude prism]

If RoN didn't have the mirror gun or other generic tactical items, I'm pretty sure everybody would be like "why are these not in the game"

it's literally like the BASE of what would be expected

[white gazelle]

NICE, that does make me happy. Pre 1.0 was 2/3 hits to steel. So that is a bonus for me.
I am gonna try it out.
Thank you.

[crude prism]

you ever play with mods or something? because players have never been THAT squishy

[winter pendant]

I just play with either no armor or stab vest, then I have to be careful no matter what the patches are

[white gazelle]

I did a lot, but the base game killed the player quick for sure.
It was a bit to easy, so I modded the AI after while.
Maybe it was 2/3 for ceramic. That is what I ran.

[crude prism]

chad "make the game harder" RoN enjoyer

[white gazelle]

That is ME

I am a glutten for a hard FPS. and there are so little of them

[winter pendant]

I also refuse to ignore ROE

[white gazelle]

I get that for sure. But letting them shoot you for 8 hits is also not fun.
Bean bag them, or pepper spray, but I am not liking that we took forever for us to die.
It made people to careless.

[shadow ether]

Rappelling, kill-on-sight being occasionally allowed, IR sights/goggles, sniper rifle on long tac, a defense mission of some kind, etc etc

[astral warren]

I'm okay with the player dying quicker as long as it's not a product of bad math.

[winter pendant]

I definitely do kill on sight but I'm picky with how, I guess that's why I tend to not get penalized

I am looooving that they're slowly reintroducing mission variety with the hostage rescue, narcos, etc but I do want more, I agree

[astral warren]

I just want steel to be better than ceramic again

[white gazelle]

Quick dying should make sense to the environment.
Not just a thing.
Cove guys should kill you very quickly, they are after all trained military with a want to defend.
But after 1.0, they were shooting airsoft rifles.
That was not fun

[astral warren]

Developers seem to want AI to be very accurate but shoot peanuts, given how the game is intended to play vs. how it does

[winter pendant]

A dedicated police sniper spawn/role would be interesting but it would be tricky to make it as fun for the sniper as for the CQB players... If you've ever played Hitman Sniper Challenge you can see it's like radically different than the normal experience of Hitman, as an analogy

[crude prism]

1.0 release (before the patches weeks later) was probably the hardest vanilla RoN has ever been, with the game beating down a lot of the playerbase. The reddits posts and complaints are all still there

[white gazelle]

This is true, and it did not start that way.

[astral warren]

The AI has always been too accurate, period.

[white gazelle]

Yeah, i keep saying pre 1.0, but I mean pre the first DLC. My bad
The first DLC, or there abouts, changed it

[shadow ether]

Honestly, with the election year lore I see in the HQ, it would be so sick to get a mission where D platoon is tasked with safekeeping a politician or something, and it takes anywhere from 15 seconds to 3 minutes for things to start happening, and the VIP needs to be evacuated.

[crude prism]

DLC 1 broke the damage calculation which lead to the bug that still isn't fixed with player armor (being up to 200% extra damage taken)

[winter pendant]

that does sound cool, especially if it worked like in Doorkickers where you actually have to tell the VIP where to go

[astral warren]

They just can't figure out how to make them inaccurate in an organic way so they compromise and INTEND for the player to be tanky to compensate for their john wick 1 hand over the shoulder while sprinting shots, but the damage cap is broken so it just feels like you're playing a made up imaginary game made by a toddler whenever you die to a suspect currently, given they're stronger, and probably more accurate than a real human.

[shadow ether]

There is a mechanic to grab restrained people, could be cool to get it for injured people too

[astral warren]

Has anyone at VOID even acknowledged the damage cap is broken, or do they just plug their ears and go "LALALALALALALALA!!!!!!!!!!"?

Just move a number, stupid ass, it's not rocket science, and it would make the game play as intended.

[winter pendant]

I keep saying the accuracy needs to be tied to movement speed and the first shots should have an accuracy penalty for most of the suspect types

[astral warren]

That sounds like work.

[shadow ether]

Also, I haven't tried the helicopter view thing but it does seem like a very welcome feature for a lot of maps!

[summer copper]

you are really upset by this, huh? it's all i see you talk about

[white gazelle]

That is odd. Maybe I just played my mod I forgot how the actual game played. 😵‍💫

[astral warren]

It's a massive problem, yeah, I'm persistent about it because nobody will even acknowledge it.

[summer copper]

they're probably scared to acknowledge it cuz they think you'll bite their ear off 😭

[tacit gull]

I dont see why it wasnt just added to the helmet cam view and can only be viewed from the tablet, you're almost never going to stop in your tracks to look at the tablet

[astral warren]

If the player should take more damage, that's just fine, but the way it has been done currently makes steel inferior to ceramic, which is goofy.

[tacit gull]

Most it might do is help you find a loose civilian but otherwise the callouts aren't accurate enough to be helpful

[winter pendant]

I can easily envision an extraction mission where you have to clear a building while extracting a VIP through it. would make a ton of sense in single player with you being detached from your AI team, and in multiplayer the VIP management could be juggled between players. I think it would super work and be pretty tense. however I predict everyone would super complain that the suspects tend to rush past you and kill the VIP

[thorn egret]

I actually thought about how it could work for some other maps; news helicopters

[astral warren]

They don't have ears. VOID is worse at communicating than a blind deaf mute.

They're just a lumpy sphere of flesh with neurons inside, that's all.

Sensory organs be damned.

[white gazelle]

So, I keep seeing them release these DLC's, and they pushed 1.0, but the overall game is still not even close to being complete.
It makes me sad, I was so hopeful for RoN. I still am.
I want this to succeed, and I am glad it is still going.
But, it was a bad move pushing 1.0 to make investors happy.

[winter pendant]

profile pic and name really name that

[summer copper]

do you feel you are owed some form of acknowledgement?

[thorn egret]

Idk seems complete to me

Good list of maps, features, all that

[astral warren]

I do not feel I personally am owed anything, I feel that this game's community deserves to KNOW that they're receiving double the amount of damage they should because of a basic math error.

[shadow ether]

||It's not supposed to be commonly helpful, it's supposed to be occasionally handy and novel, which it kinda is||

[white gazelle]

There are quite a few features that were listed that we just not there at 1.0 that were supposed to be.
But it was getting there for sure

[thorn egret]

If you're shot wearing steel plates with teammates nearby, they'll get hurt

[tacit gull]

It isn't handy enough because of how the voicelines are written and how you access it

[white gazelle]

Don't get me wrong, i love the game, just waiting for a bit before trying again

[winter pendant]

ppl expect more than they used to. like the original SWAT 4 didn't even have bash or holding commands, and there were like... what, 10 missions?

[shadow ether]

Happy accidents and such

[thorn egret]

I didn't really read into what every feature was, I'm just happy with what we have

[astral warren]

Yes, and steel makes you die sooner than ceramic currently because of a math error, and it makes you fat and slow, so steel is literal garbage and only for larping.

[crude prism]

considering it breaks the balance Void is trying to create and affects everyone, modded and vanilla, it's kinda important

Kevlar is (even more) useless, Steel is unusable, even destroyed ceramic plates have broken calculation leading to more damage taken

[summer copper]

that's just how development works, sometimes they can't add everything they want to in the time frame they set themselves

[white gazelle]

how have they not fixed it yet though? Been about a year now right?

[shadow ether]

I think there were 15 and there WAS hold command

[thorn egret]

I mean who uses steel...
I didn't even know people use it, ceramic all the way

[astral warren]

It's not a happy accident because it fucks armour balance entirely. If they want the player to die easier, that's okay, just do it the right way.

[tacit gull]

A lot of features are broken or clearly incomplete still, the game basicalyl came out in an unacceptable state and is now barely building up

[winter pendant]

that was introduced in stetchkov expansion

[white gazelle]

Oh i get that, this is why we have delays in software dev

[crude prism]

I don't care if they acknowledge it publicly, just fix it

[thorn egret]

I played it on release day, it was good

Really enjoyed it actually, was very happy

[white gazelle]

This

[shadow ether]

But it was introduced

[summer copper]

i don't get how people think this?

[winter pendant]

I mean ppl comparing 1.0 to 1.0

[winter pendant]

happiness isn't allowed on discord kek

[white gazelle]

They should just release all the old maps from the old versions. That would be a great DLC

[tacit gull]

It was not, RON 1.0 ran terrible, played terrible and was terrible.
The game released with softlocks in the main lobby, commander mode being completely broken as the traits were reversed, SWAT AI being almost unresponsive most of the time and enemy AI being so overtuned that it wasn't even funny

[shadow ether]

That's a start!
And a potential for something good in the future/for the modders.

[white gazelle]

The night time Farm, and the one after it we so fun

[tacit gull]

The game had broken damage calculations, tons of UI bugs, TONS of animation bugs

[thorn egret]

I didn't get softlocks, commander mode was fun, the SWAT AI..Y'know, responded, and I got used to the AI
Plus I didn't have performance issues, and I played on a 3050 RTX from a laptop

[summer copper]

i have not encountered... any of these issues. case by case, but you act as if your experience was everyone's experience

[tacit gull]

Some people are more happy to ignore theese things

[shadow ether]

That is a silly comparison to attempt

[tacit gull]

Doesn't make them not happen in the game

[thorn egret]

This fella thinks that we're ignoring this stuff when we didn't really see it 🙏

[summer copper]

seemingly not, everyone must undergo a ritual of hatred for the game before joining the server

[crude prism]

me when players don't notice some things are off so we should never fix them

[tacit gull]

Commander mode still is an atrocity but now it works atleast

[thorn egret]

False...

[winter pendant]

all I mean is people expect more nowadays. expectations in general are higher.

[tacit gull]

Maybe it doesn't work, i dunno, haven't played it in a while

[astral warren]

In summary: VOID needs to pull their thumbs (yes, both) out of their greasy assholes, and actually PLAY TEST THE GAME, because surely they would notice the player receiving DOUBLE the intended damage, right? I mean, if they can't feel that difference, what right do the have to try and balance a game

[crude prism]

I am RoN's #1 coper and RoN's #1 hater, it's a hard balance

[winter pendant]

you cannot like a game unless it's literally perfect 🙂

[frail pier]

It be like that sometimes

[astral warren]

It'd be really funny when they realize WHY the player is taking double damage.

[summer copper]

your #1 spot is being challenged by V1

[frail pier]

There's times to glaze RoN
And times to haze RoN

[astral warren]

I am a big hater, and I like the game's premise.

[shadow ether]

But it's silly to compare 1.0 to 1.0 of any games, when patches and expansions are already out for both

[summer copper]

must be some crazy language being used

[thorn egret]

Please don't talk about adult interactions with the buttocks in chat...

[frail pier]

Bro is losing to a chatbot

[astral warren]

It's just being royally ass fucked by a disorganized incompetent remote game dev studio. They just need to stop adding new shit, and make the existing shit in the game work as intended, simple as.

[tacit gull]

Dark waters is definetly a time to glaze ron, it's a good update, but it's not enough

Most stable build of the game by far

[white gazelle]

are the maps good?

[frail pier]

Just glaze harder and it'll be more than enough

[thorn egret]

Ngl Oil Rig is my favorite map ingame

[summer copper]

nothing is ever enough bro

[winter pendant]

but like... SWAT 4 got one expansion. We have two and ongoing development. ppl are not happy with the one in ongoing development despite it having more features and good things going for it and generally being newer. I don't understand that

[tacit gull]

Maps are kino

[astral warren]

The game working as intended by the developers would be enough for me, but that can't even happen, lmao.

[thorn egret]

"it's not enough" - People since the release of RoN early access

[white gazelle]

Oh yea? How so?

[thorn egret]

Idk I just like it
It's cool..And I like water

[white gazelle]

👍

[astral warren]

It's like there's 1 team that is supposed to just pretend they work on the game, and there's a second team that actually does, but will have their entire family vaporized instantly if they dare speak a single word about anything.

[winter pendant]

gratr not completely pissed off pog

[thorn egret]

Idk the only issue I'm hearing is "Steel plates are broken"

[summer copper]

for someone who claims to like the game, you really hate the devs

[astral warren]

Steel plates are broken + kevlar reduces damage from rifle rounds LOL

[summer copper]

and you treat it like it's the end of the world lmfao

[astral warren]

I hate the developer's actions or lack thereof, you seem to like projecting a lot.

[white gazelle]

I think the people who are the most upset with RoN are the people whom love it the most. The people who want it to succeed' the most.
Like watching the person you really love get into a toxic relationship.

[tacit gull]

That being said, Dark waters has clear issues such as animation bugs when suspects surrender, customisation bugs, etc.

[crude prism]

me when 2 of the 3 armor types are broken and "who cares lmao"

[astral warren]

Yeah I agree, who cares if the game works? Lmao, it's just like a roblox place.

[thorn egret]

Not really broken
Kevlar still works, steel doesn't

[summer copper]

game works just fine for me 🤷‍♂️

[astral warren]

Kevlar works too good, it's fucking stupid.

[thorn egret]

The entirety of the game works besides kevlar or steel plates

[tacit gull]

No

[thorn egret]

oh golly gosh jee!

[astral warren]

Symantics aren't an argument. The game does not work as intended, so I simplified by saying it does not work.

[thorn egret]

So what else

[astral warren]

Surely you're intelligent enough to infer that?

[shadow ether]

Well... Me neither, but I also feel like RoN would benefit from looking at things other than SWAT 4 and 3. Which Dark Waters had done well, and if I was left pretty underwhelmed by DLC 1, the DLC 2 stuff made me super excited. If DLC 3 continues adding novel stuff, I am so down to support the devs more.

[crude prism]

i'm being baited istg

[frail pier]

Game works fine for me despite the bugs and issues. bait

[crude prism]

you got me guys, I fell for it, obviously nobody cares if we fix bugs because "the rest of the game works"

[astral warren]

People just want to suck this game's toes too bad.

[summer copper]

attempting to insult my intelligence is a really fantastic way to help me understand your point of view and sympathise with you

[winter pendant]

I'm happy therefore I'm not intelligent 😄

[tacit gull]

Let's see... the animation bugs i mentioned, headphones being invulnerable, SWAT AI still getting stuck, New bugs with suspect AI hesitaition leading to the being unarrestable

To name a few

[thorn egret]

"I enjoy this game very much, issues like slight animations errors and an easily fixable armor issue aren't the end of the world"

[astral warren]

I do not care to argue with you, there is nothing productive for us to argue about. You think fixing persistent gameplay altering bugs isn't important for some reason, because you don't notice it, and the rest of the game works for the most part.

[winter pendant]

I have a strong suspicion the next big patch will be level reworks. would explain the map contest and why it'll be free instead of paid according to the roadmap.

[astral warren]

It's so easily fixable it hasn't been for several months, you're dead right!!!

[thorn egret]

I haven't had any of these problems
Only one I've had is slow motion surrenders

[tacit gull]

Suspects being unarrestable is borderline gamebreaking

[astral warren]

Amazing how the easily fixable gameplay altering bug is ignored for literal months. Crazy.

[tacit gull]

Imagine doing an S rank and you get trolled by an unarrestable suspect

[thorn egret]

Something that I've never noticed, while I swap between steel plates
I wear them often, and have not noticed them being so bad

[summer copper]

LOL I LITERALLY JUST HAD THAT HAPPEN, okay maybe i am on your side

[tacit gull]

"It's easily fixable" Is it fixed? No.

[astral warren]

Respectfully, you're unobservant.

^^^^^^

[thorn egret]

Anyways gotta go, going to a christmas thing w/family, goodbye chat

[astral warren]

This shit always happens on twisted nerve, fuckers just get softlocked in the closet and you need to execute them to progress.

[white gazelle]

Did they at least correct the evidence and weapons falling thru the floor?

[shadow ether]

If level reworks are in, I would like level features too. Like the "defend the VIP" mode.

[thorn egret]

[astral warren]

I hope you get nice wool socks.

[tacit gull]

I think it got worked on yeah

[white gazelle]

ok great. So one down

[thorn egret]

Ty!! :D

[tacit gull]

I dont think it never happens but its rarer

[white gazelle]

🫡

[summer copper]

nah man not even twisted nerve, fucking NARCOS... i gassed a guy and now he's unarrestable i just cracked his fucking skull idc anymore

[winter pendant]

hopefully. dark waters shows they're open to experimenting with the base systems, what with weapon caches, changing surrender types, and adding more interactibles

[astral warren]

I have definitely noticed less weapons phasing into the ground, which was certainly annoying.

[shadow ether]

I saw it happen and then spawn back up

[tacit gull]

This is exaclty what makes it such a good update

[frail pier]

I wanna be able to steal cars in RoN like GTA

[astral warren]

Narcos seems like a very buggy mission.

[crude prism]

I don't want to harp on it anymore, so I'll leave with this.

There's been a long history of having to present Void with a lot of evidence (and an amount of pestering) to get fixes made.

These fixes sometimes take a long time, even when they are hugely impactful. (Ceramic armor LITERALLY didn't block bullets for an entire year before 1.0, and I had to talk to like 4 different Void staff members to get it looked at when it should have been an EASILY VERIFIABLE AND INSTANT CHANGE)

There are more examples. I'm not listing them all

[white gazelle]

Hey, at least it came back. That is a start for sure

[tacit gull]

Not only does it fix annoying bugs, but it actually changes how the game plays for teh better

[astral warren]

I've played it a few times and I've always had SOMETHING weird happen on it.

[tacit gull]

And the issues it has are minor in comparison to the improvement

[potent stratus]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/5122?tab=description&BH=2

I guess that's that then lmao

[bronze cobalt]

Yikes

[winter pendant]

I like that it's not so black and white as "a suspect is a person holding a weapon" anymore. that combined with the tangos wearing worker uniforms on oil rig makes it just that more uneasy

[tacit gull]

Oil rig actually plays amazing with unarmed suspects blending in with the armed ones

[potent stratus]

Oil rig is amazing

[tacit gull]

Even putting themselves up as shields

[shadow ether]

Honestly, yes. If there was ever a time to tell the devs they are doing a great job, it is now.

[summer copper]

dorms has been worse, the game isn't without its bugs, and i get where you're coming from, really, i do. and i don't wanna argue because (like you said) it's unproductive. but still, have faith it'll get fixed eventually, im sure you have made a report of the bug, and im sure it'll be gotten around to

[potent stratus]

And Elysian is one of the most beautiful maps in this game

[tacit gull]

Genuienly fucking banger map

[winter pendant]

@gaunt gale

[bronze cobalt]

Unless they just open fire on you

[astral warren]

People think that because they gave these people $120 on kickstarter they have to be credible because they invested in them. It's like buyer's remorse but bigger scale. I don't know why VOID refuses to lift a finger to address the simplest of problems, like an out of order math operating causing the player to receive double damage, for instance.

[gaunt gale]

[shadow ether]

Oi!

[crude prism]

I can't imagine trying to do the "melodonin" achievement on dorms right now. Actual insanity with the new long animations and 5 man request requirement

[astral warren]

I made a bug report about the damage cap fuck knows how long ago and not another set of eyes has seen it.

[gaunt gale]

[bronze cobalt]

Katyusha

[tacit gull]

escape from tarkov emote 🤮

[gaunt gale]

Getting sold out by other community members

[shadow ether]

Why call mods on me? I was saying nice things!

[crude prism]

kaminsky please personally fix all of my issues (again) yourself, thanks love you

[tacit gull]

buy the devs a beer for the update

[winter pendant]

yeah nobody ever does that huh

[astral warren]

fix the damage cap or I'll make santa put cat turds in your stockings

[summer copper]

make another one, just in case

[gaunt gale]

😗

[astral warren]

I'll make one every day until it is seen.

[summer copper]

and i will endorse you, my friend

[crude prism]

what do you think? am I gonna win? #1317213664616382566 message

[shadow ether]

I literally would but I can't buy the DLC again

I might urge my friend group to buy it though

[astral warren]

I'm going to find where a void developer lives and throw a rock through their window with "fix the damage cap" scribbled on a napkin tied around it, I mean it.

[shy tulip]

Careful with the throwing stuff at developer jokes

[winter pendant]

wow you sound like pretty invested in this videogame

[astral warren]

No, not at them, just their window.

[tacit gull]

Honestly i still wouldn't tell people to buy the game, but if they have it i would urge them to buy the DLC

[shy tulip]

We have had to ban people for "joking" to firebomb Void

[tacit gull]

I'm hoping the next update changes that completely

[warped cave]

💀

[astral warren]

I'm invested in making lazy asshats lift a finger to fix an out of order math operation that alters gameplay drastically.

[summer copper]

well that is just not very bloody funny is it

[winter pendant]

so... yes

[warped cave]

People are such dumbasses

[crude prism]

(turns out it was intentional after all this time, just not mentioned in patch notes, or anywhere else, ever)

[astral warren]

The rock is clearly meant as a means of communication, not property destruction or personal harm.

[summer copper]

but you smashed their window

[shadow ether]

Isn't there a mod that does that?

[winter pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-opinion-legal-bob-odenkirk-gif-14965833122569624261

[astral warren]

I do not doubt that one bit, but just communic- Oh, wait, they cannot communicate.

[winter pendant]

topical!!!

[gaunt gale]

No

[astral warren]

That would have been the inscriptions on the casings, not the rounds themselves.

[gaunt gale]

I'll make sure you don't

[tacit gull]

😔

[winter pendant]

awww we're not gonna talk about united healthcare?

[astral warren]

Oh, alright, we can't talk about the shape shifting assassin.

[tacit gull]

oh fuck i didn't even mean to start that

[stable kernel]

Tread carefully

[tacit gull]

LMAO

[astral warren]

your profile picture is clearly getting the best head

[stable kernel]

Let me remind all of you that a real person shot a real person

[winter pendant]

pls void DO NOT MAKE a level where we have to defend or avenge a healthcare CEO thanks

[astral warren]

That happens every day, you're just being polite about it because one of them was rich.

[winter pendant]

oooooooo

[astral warren]

😤

[summer copper]

SWAT don't do vengeance, that's batmans job

[astral warren]

SWAT kills people and batman doesn't, apples to oranges.

[shadow ether]

Weren't they both rich though?..

[winter pendant]

the funny part is Batman arguably does more harm by sending people... where? oh yes the hospital

[summer copper]

batman doesn't kill people, he just malforms them for life...

[astral warren]

One of them was like 5 different people, dude, I don't fucking know, lol, ask the 3 letter agency employee who was part of the project.

[warped cave]

😭

[summer copper]

ikr? you can burn corpses, but you can't burn alive people (i think)

[summer copper]

3 letter triad?

[astral warren]

Trinidad and tobago.

[sharp herald]

I just want a 2011 in the game

[crude prism]

This is devastating. I'm inconsolable. And; I've [bannable offensed] myself

[winter pendant]

poopy-pantsed*

[astral warren]

shidded

[winter pendant]

farded, even

[unreal pier]

Imagine a map that is set in a haunted house ride, where you have ghost that pop up and a dark environment

[opaque hound]

#1317213664616382566 message

[winter pendant]

... so like what, D platoon is on a rollercoaster?

[shadow ether]

Literally FEAR

[tacit gull]

bru

[crude prism]

in a law enforcement environment? are you trying to cause a national incident?

cops cannot handle spooky cardboard cutout jumpscare

[tacit gull]

I could see a deal taking place in freddy fazbears park

[ocean turret]

Guys I wasn't ready

[winter pendant]

cops can't handle acorns falling out of trees tbh

[unreal pier]

Nah, imagine the haunted house at Disney but the ride isn’t moving and you walk through it instead

[crude prism]

freddy five bear mentioned, time him out for 90 days

[winter pendant]

funny, that was also a level in the original Rainbow Six. as was an oil rig hostage rescue.

[astral warren]

freddy five bear holy shit dude lmaoooooooo

[tacit gull]

me as freddy faxbear

[astral warren]

https://tenor.com/view/fax-machine-feed-me-recht-kommt-grundgesetz-gesetz-gif-11852174

[shadow ether]

Ngl though a haunted office seems like an awesome april 1st level
Orders: bring peace to the deceased

[tacit gull]

bring gratr

[astral warren]

RoN zombies?!?!?

[crude prism]

door wedge? nah fam, this is a ghostbusters trap

[frail pier]

The fact that RoN has no Skibidi Toilet is such a let down

[winter pendant]

meth house would be improved by some of the suspects being asleep when you arrive

[astral warren]

Tell me we shouldn't have RoN zombies.

[crude prism]

death

[astral warren]

meth house
meth
suspects
suspects using meth
suspects sleeping while using meth
are you quite well?

[unreal pier]

Or imagine a level at an anti police rally

[shadow ether]

We sould have RoN ghosts!

Literally FEAR but you play the other side. ||And you also get a ghost girl and her son who shoots everyone in 0.1 second||

[summer copper]

you think people don't fall asleep on meth?

[winter pendant]

I mean clearly some ppl are living there, it's not like that little girl is there to work in the meth lab

[astral warren]

The spoilered part just sounds like an average encounter with the suspect AI when there's a gap between the door frame and the wall because they moved the asset too far one way or the other, and they can instantly triangulate the location of your cranium by seeing 1 micron of your gloved hand through said gap.

[unreal canopy]

They do work for the meth lab tho

They sell the children... That's the secret

[unreal pier]

Imagine a theme park level

[shadow ether]

Can confirm, people can fall asleep on stimulants
||The sleep quality sucks though||

[astral warren]

Are you sure about that?

[winter pendant]

rainbow six 1

[unreal pier]

Tbh they should just recreate actual hostage situations from real life in game

[astral warren]

I ate my friend's Adderall pill and it made me so damn tired I had to take a nap. Your silly ADHD medication != methamphetamine

[unreal canopy]

The ppl sell the children to the talent agency as well as other places, it's implied. They even steal children from the gas station during the robbery, that's the plan

[shadow ether]

I know right? That's why I said it could easily be done for april 1st

[astral warren]

[winter pendant]

me trying to get S rank on hour 14 of the hostage standoff

[unreal pier]

What’s the deal with the empty space in the new evidence room

[winter pendant]

are you getting that from something in the evidence room, or did I miss details in the levels?

[crude prism]

turns out the suspect committed self delete 6 hours ago

[summer copper]

lol

[unreal pier]

Like the Ugandan airport hostage crisis

[unreal canopy]

What part? The stealing of the kids at gas?

[winter pendant]

sure that

[shadow ether]

My silly medication? Oi there, I don't even have ADHD, much less any medication for it, but going for personals was uncalled for. ||Besides, I am talking about some observations with an ex-friend and you're being rude.||

[summer copper]

YESSSSSS NARCOS S RANK BAYBEEEEE

[unreal canopy]

They are the ones who "owe money" on the wall written in twisted nerve

[winter pendant]

jokes on you my silly ADHD medication IS methamphetamine

I'm just very very silly

[summer copper]

mmmhh.. meth...

think i'll treat myself to some

[unreal canopy]

So since a lot is about human trafficking, it makes sense that these psychos who kill the manager, a veteran and the dog would easily be able to steal the money and a child to sell to brixley to get the money needed. They know that it's happening since they are part of the trap house, so figure it's their turn

[winter pendant]

I am of the opinion that Void should connect the dots slightly more than they do

[summer copper]

you think the gas station robbery is connected to the spider?

[winter pendant]

like also don't we neutralize or arrest all the suspects??? so how

[astral warren]

You're making many assumptions about the intentions of my statement, when my only point was that methamphetamine is not something people will sleep through a police raid on. You should take strangers on the internet less seriously, or you'll cry yourself to sleep every night with that level of sensitivity.

[summer copper]

wait it actually is connected?

[unreal canopy]

Very much connected in all ways yes.
The workers at gas station say things like what have I done and such. They also are part of the tweeker pad and are letting them know of the money drops, which is what it initially looks like but then can be pieced together based on the comments when u arrest them, such as
"What have I done"

[summer copper]

this is funny coming from an ultrakill fan

[shadow ether]

Oh cool, I met a psychologist

[astral warren]

idk if gas is actually connected

[winter pendant]

"you dunno what I've done" could mean literally anything

[spring shuttle]

does ready or not use lumen by any chance?

[astral warren]

Oh cool, I met reddit!

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-soylent-soy-soyface-nerd-gif-11917812235578842485

[winter pendant]

psychologists are nicer trust me

[astral warren]

^ exactly

[stable kernel]

Chill

[astral warren]

🧊

[unreal canopy]

If we play together I can show u everything and how it lines up when I show u. Why would they put a kid in the game there when it's about trafficking. It makes sense. The employees tell the drop for the money, they kill the manager and a few other ppl, getting out of hand, the child being there is seen as an opportunity,

[unreal pier]

Stockholm syndrome update when?

[winter pendant]

...because there's a restaurant and a gas station and families sometimes are in those places? it's not exactly a stretch

[summer copper]

don't have to tell me twice (you weren't talking to me)

[astral warren]

Pepperballs for everyone.

[shadow ether]

Yeah I am not gonna entertain that
I was being considerate on an off chance someone was being an ass accidentally
Nice to know it's purposeful, it's all good

[unreal pier]

I have s ranked every map except the last DLC map

[unreal canopy]

No of course not. But the criminals aren't gonna pass it up I'm saying. The family being there is coincidence, but they plan on kidnapping

[summer copper]

you think kids just don't exist in situations like that unless it's for 'nappin?

[astral warren]

With the level of writing this game has, yes.

[summer copper]

that's great to hear, my friend

i hope to S rank them all soon

[unreal canopy]

Well if anyone is interested in hearing more lmk.

[winter pendant]

there's nothing in the level indicating that they were trying to kidnap a kid. There's no dialogue that indicates that, there's no van with a child tied up in it that they fail to getaway in...

they owe money, yeah. they're robbing a gas station safe.

[summer copper]

lol, not even this games writing would be that... mental

the child is just a part of that map to be like "wow guys a child is at risk here be careful!!!"

[unreal canopy]

Sure sounds good

No way it could be connected to valley of the dolls and so on.

[winter pendant]

I mean, it could, I just wanna hear something more convincing than a theory

[unreal canopy]

Not implied he gets his victims multiple ways. Then we see the situation at hand, couldn't be

[shadow ether]

It would, but this level doesn't suggest that. Or if they were trying to suggest that, they did a very poor job of doing the suggesting, since it still looks very implausible

[astral warren]

It didn't make chronological sense until just recently, and I would argue it still doesn't. This video game wanted to have a pulp fiction ass timeline but they don't have the foot fetishist writing skills of Quentin Tarantino.

Classic blunder.

[grim forge]

Heyh, noob here. I tried to Google with no success why am I getting an "A" rating (opposed of an A+) when I do everything asked, including soft objectives and securing guns and all that, and collect no minuses to the minus side? What do I need to do different to get A+? (I know there's also an S tier, not interested in that, not talking about that, just A+). Like is there a time limit that the interned wiki pages are not aware of or something?
Thanks for clarifying this out 🙂

[summer copper]

😭

[winter pendant]

more alive arrests

[astral warren]

Yeah just keep more suspects conscious and alive.

[summer copper]

you have to arrest suspects without incapacitating/killing them to get the maximum points

[humble mauve]

In order to get an S rank, all suspects must be taken alive

[astral warren]

Use beanbags or pepperballs, or lots of flashbangs.

[summer copper]

you'll notice when you arrest a suspect who's dead, you only get 5 points, but if you arrest them while they're alive, you get 35 points

[grim forge]

Hmm, I've been sparingly using my bullets and hitting arms, things like that.

[astral warren]

Or just run up to them like a chad and poke them with your rifle, because that scares them more than getting shot in the aorta I guess.

[unreal canopy]

It's not implied that the streamer is connected to it but the same victims that are on his hd are the ones being sent from the meth house and kidnappings around the city. U think robbers that killed several ppl on the way in wouldn't consider kidnapping?

[humble mauve]

of course a B or an A is more realistic to use of force, but an S is just an extra challenge for a perfect mission where everyone goes home (or to jail)

[summer copper]

if they go down like a sack of potatoes, that's what determines your rank. use non lethal force to... well... force them into compliance

[shadow ether]

I mean getting shot gets you pain shock benefits and getting punched has a scary dude right in front of you

[summer copper]

too busy being dying to be scared

[winter pendant]

I mean maybe they would. I'm not saying it's invalid. I'm just saying there's nothing implying it

[astral warren]

But I need to shoot them in the aorta twice to "incapacitate" them, so obviously they have VERY hard arteries from too many cheeseburgers.

[summer copper]

it is america, after all

[unreal canopy]

I think once u start to see how it's all connected through the story it's hard to deny the possibility is insanely high

[summer copper]

why are you still hooked up on that? he's moved on, why can't you?

[shadow ether]

I think they would only consider kidnapping during that level, as there's very little evidence of them actually attempting to do it

[astral warren]

The story has many insanely high possibilities, because the story is make of melted ABS plastic.

[grim forge]

Oh, I guess I'm going gasmasked then. Very well. Kinda bummer but I want my shorts 😛
Also, was hoping for a Traning Day / The Shield type of rampart expansion so my gaming is drawn to another direction but you can't have it all, I suppose. Thanks for the tip 🙂

[cloud python]

I hope we can get some Ifak equipment so we can heal ourselves (and allies) a touch faster. I'd drop the lockpick gun in a heart beat

[summer copper]

the story is not the central focus of the game, sadly

[astral warren]

I'm just being who he wants me to be 🤷

[winter pendant]

kidnapping and armed robbery are like... pretty different in how you'd go about it. you'd need a big car and you'd probably want to avoid drawing lots of attention. you'd also like maybe not want to be in a public place with lots of witnesses and cameras. also people are much less convenient to carry than money is. and finally you'd probably want to be sure there is at least one kid or more before you committed to it

[summer copper]

well don't do that, it's stupid

[astral warren]

I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb.

[summer copper]

i'm both

[unreal canopy]

I thought there was a van present?

How many hostiles are present I don't recall

[summer copper]

like 4 in gas

[stable kernel]

Can it both of you

[winter pendant]

I would also add that there is "lore" around the reason money is present and why that particular place gets robbed then. there's a debanco strike which is why the money is being kept onsite. you even find a debanco employee on the premises wearing a mask. afaik, no such for kidnapping. it's not "kids eat free" day at the restaurant for example

[gray heath]

what's your favourite mission from the new DLC?

[unreal canopy]

I wouldn't put it past these ppl.
Not for a second.

[winter pendant]

ok...? but is there any proof that they were trying to do it?

[shadow ether]

Roger wilco
It was just banter, but I see how it could spiral out of control in a public chat

[leaden oriole]

could you please rework the plate carriers

[winter pendant]

I definitely get how the meth house and gas station would be connected, I just don't see anything indicating the robbers were also attempting kidnapping

[shadow ether]

They may have thought of kidnapping as a means of extra income, but I can't imagine it being their main score

[winter pendant]

right... but... there's again no evidence of it. the people don't talk about it, the little girl doesn't say anyone tried to take her... she's just like "people are shooting, I'm scared"

[shadow ether]

Kids do tend to be scared when people are shooting

[winter pendant]

right???? facts

[summer copper]

you're serious?

[shadow ether]

Do they not?

[summer copper]

i wish it was easier to convey sarcasm over text without stupid "tone tags"

[shadow ether]

There's emoji for that 🤔

Cringe as it looks, it does convey tone when it's important 😎

[summer copper]

☹️

[winter pendant]

gerard scott was actually one of the children that got kidnapped from the 4U gas station

just a little lore drop there for you fellas

[summer copper]

no way!!!!!!

[winter pendant]

it's all connected 😎

[summer copper]

idk why people think every single mission in the game is connected, yes missions are connected but there's multiple storylines taking place

[unreal canopy]

I'm talking about Epstein levels of stuff

Money comes from somewhere

[winter pendant]

...such as people buying gasoline?

[unreal canopy]

Yup. And now we're in deep waters...

[summer copper]

hey man, gas ain't cheap in los suenos

[unreal canopy]

Because of what happens offshore!

Some ppl pay in blood

[winter pendant]

this update introduced canon pirates and that Judge is in talks with the CIA

[summer copper]

i need to play this update man

[unreal canopy]

All connected.

[winter pendant]

that part isn't made up. oh also idk anything about the MLO but they're mentioned in game now

(all three-letter triad lore)

[loud crescent]

so, gamers
Sleeper Agent.
has anyone got it yet? if so, any tips?

[stone bay]

when are they gonna add a HUD Crosshair to the game

[winter pendant]

someone made a mod to help you cheat by inserting lots of weak goons

[summer copper]

ew i hope not

[winter pendant]

never, ever, ever

[stone bay]

that would be so sick

[loud crescent]

@stone bay press mmb to open the squad menu, it's honestly an easier way to aim with nvgs and launchers
@winter pendant ok fair but has anyone got it legit

[stable kernel]

You say cheat I say not possible in single player

[loud crescent]

i mean, it is cheating but there's no shame in that

[winter pendant]

I don't know if anyon'es gotten it legit. I'll try within like the next week cause I'm a glutton for punishment

[stone bay]

too distracting man

[stable kernel]

All other achievements are fully designed to be done in single player

Why is this one different

[winter pendant]

there's actually this cool attachment called a laser pointer

[loud crescent]

honestly, the achievement feels weird to me, since it's kinda like... encouraging you to go fast and lethal and not call for compliance

it goes against how the game seems like it's intended to be played (mix of dynamic entry and limited penetration with careful movement and escalation of force)

[stone bay]

yeah but laser pointer moves too much and laser pointer is hard to see at times and laser pointer dissapears in mid+ range

[tawny gale]

Hi guys, is there an incoming patch regarding helmet gear changing (masks, nvgs) not applying correctly?

because it's VERY infurating

[winter pendant]

ok sarcasm aside, the gunfighter mod makes point shooting way easier

[shy tulip]

#❗known-issues-and-fixes

I make this channel all nice and formatted and no one reads it

[shadow ether]

I know right? It's very uncharacteristic, urging players and their characters to do something they're not expected to be doing at all. Some sort of outside conditioning is making them do it... As if they were some kind of sleeper agents called to service...

[stable kernel]

#❓modding-faq would like a word

[tawny gale]

thanks

[winter pendant]

sleeper agent feels like a dishonored 2 achievement.

[stone bay]

has it been updated?

[summer copper]

he's cracked the code, he has

[winter pendant]

there's a hotfix up

[stone bay]

nice

[loud crescent]

🔥

[shadow ether]

This entire achievement feels like a social experiment: make it a hard as hell task, make it detrimental to the score, and see how many players would complete it

[winter pendant]

they played us like a damn fiddle

[summer copper]

really? the B word gets deleted but not fuck?

[winter pendant]

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

[summer copper]

yes

[shadow ether]

Oi

[loud crescent]

huh, that's odd

[winter pendant]

obscenity is relative I guess?

[shadow ether]

Seems so

[summer copper]

no, it's quite objective

[winter pendant]

what about bastard? no?

[loud crescent]

i guess there's some argument that b*tch is anti-women but like
i have never felt especially discriminated against when called that, it's just a generic insult to me

[winter pendant]

if it's specifically about women then it's turbo bad

[summer copper]

birch is definitely not anti-women

if it was originally meant as that way, that is no longer the case at all

[shy tulip]

[summer copper]

everyone's a birch

[winter pendant]

apparently fuck is okay and s*x isn't? what the hell

[loud crescent]

i've heard people say it is, i don't especially agree but

[tawny gale]

Unfortunately this didn't fix my problem. sounds like I'll just stop playing until a patch

[shy tulip]

I'd rather be told "Fuck you" than have someone offer the s word to me tbh

[loud crescent]

s...hit?

[summer copper]

that one makes more sense cuz why you talkin bout that in Ready or Not

[winter pendant]

but it's not even a curse word. it's a word in the dictionary with a meaning

[shy tulip]

All you have to do is create a preset for your weapons and cosmetics to fix it

[tawny gale]

I did what the list said, and it explicitly did not fix it.

[summer copper]

no.. the deed

[shadow ether]

Poor little obscenity filter being tormented here for science

[summer copper]

we must poke and prod and test the limits

[winter pendant]

literal 1984

this game deals with human trafficking, drugs, violence, child predators,

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-cranky-kong-donkey-kong-russian-english-gif-14347510402654872950

[summer copper]

i said it makes MORE sense, not that it makes sense

[summer copper]

i read it, it fucking sucks. the message is cool and stuff but it's so unfathomably boring

[winter pendant]

thanks old donkey kong, that's exactly what I'm saying

[loud crescent]

i liked 1984 the book

[summer copper]

animal farm was better

[loud crescent]

true

[livid crow]

So why is it called ready or not?

[loud crescent]

because you're either ready
or
(someone finish the bit)

[winter pendant]

we have so much bitterness and vitriol in this server on a daily basis that isn't censored so frankly I'm just baffled

[shy tulip]

Cause of the movie obviously

[summer copper]

not

[loud crescent]

yes that thank you

[shadow ether]

Because here I come 😎

[shy tulip]

It's more about users insulting or being really creepy towards each other

[livid crow]

You mean cranky kong you fuck

[summer copper]

🗣️

[stone bay]

because you gotta play hide and seek in the los suenos PD its so fucking fun

[winter pendant]

case in point

[loud crescent]

last civilian hiding in a closet: "i win!"

[winter pendant]

so are you dtf? cause that wasn't censored either

[summer copper]

but, just out of curiosity, why is birch specifically censored

[livid crow]

To be fair, if every US school makes middle schoolers read it, then it’s probably not peak fiction.

[summer copper]

😭😭😭

[shy tulip]

I may not have the filter but I can ban u

[shy tulip]

Idk

[stone bay]

Not civilian bruh like All homeboys gather up, one turns off player names and promises on all that he owns that he will NOT press T, and then you begin the search

[summer copper]

fantastic

[winter pendant]

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/f/fe/bag_check.png

[stone bay]

if you go to the range with the shield equipped, and hold out your gun in the range and leave the range, you can walk around with a drawn gun that you can actually shoot! very fun

[loud crescent]

can you shoot the other cops

[shadow ether]

That's one lobby entertainment I have not seen

[loud crescent]

clean up LSPD one bent copper at a time

[stone bay]

yes but they are made of drywall for some reason

[summer copper]

i prefer the weapon swap tactic to shoot in the PD

[shy tulip]

[stone bay]

Its so fuckin fun man

[shy tulip]

where you guys find this shit sometimes scares me

[winter pendant]

xkcd...???? the nerd comic for nerds?

[loud crescent]

love xkcd

[stone bay]

You dont need to spam left click, you can just hold your pistol out and shoot it as normal

[shy tulip]

Guess I'm not a nerd

[winter pendant]

nice lol

[stone bay]

For a second, or 60, i thought you were talking about copper piping

[summer copper]

sorry for your gain

[winter pendant]

man their budget is so low even the plumbing has to wait

[shadow ether]

I bet! I can't find rooms in that place at times, and this is people

[toxic glen]

Anybody knows what are those two secret achievements?

[summer copper]

do you reckon when they need a toilet fixed they say "is the plumber ready or not?"

[winter pendant]

DLC3: Toilet Or Not

[stone bay]

Yeah, and in the end they were pretending to be NPCS by removing armor and helmet, and standing idly in like the mugshot room

[loud crescent]

||uncover the location of the secret MLO meeting room (it's in 3 letter triad)||

[summer copper]

Ready or Bog?

[shadow ether]

SkibiDLC

[winter pendant]

GET OUT

[summer copper]

☹️

[summer copper]

spoiler alert!!!

[loud crescent]

shit u rite

[toxic glen]

thank you kindly

[summer copper]

personally i don't care i checked but maybe there is someone out there who cares

[stone bay]

what if instead of ready or not it was called clogged or not and instead of shooting suspects you fixed their clogged toilets with flashbangs, c2, and verbal commands

[winter pendant]

I would have cared if it weren't already spoiled for me

[summer copper]

PUT THE WEAPON DOWN (toilet brush)

[toxic glen]

how do i use helicam?

[loud crescent]

hold tab, use your tablet

[winter pendant]

tablet -> bottom left corner

[summer copper]

how long did it take you to S rank hide and seek

[winter pendant]

that's a pretty shit idea

[stone bay]

Hold on, Dark waters DLC? Like, poopy water? ayoo

[shadow ether]

Flashbang must be the brand of the cleaning solution

[summer copper]

explains everything

[stone bay]

thats a very popular opininon

[winter pendant]

anybody remember when there was a cleaning product in gas station called spooge or something like that?

[loud crescent]

i want stingers that don't suck

[summer copper]

very popular opinion, cold ahh take, there's like 6 mods for it

[stone bay]

true

[summer copper]

gas:

[stone bay]

yes ofcourse

[shadow ether]

Extreme giggle factor
Also very uncharacteristic for SWAT
but if someone's doing that can we please also have .308 LMGs?

[stone bay]

Guys guys, what if C2 is just mustard gas, and its really just ammonia + bleach so it can be used for toilets? ongggggg

[meager agate]

what's up guys, I'm trying to do valley of dolls with the S rank, i arrested everyone and didnt finish the mission, so i went around the map checking and apparently there is this 1 guy stuck in the hands up position on his knees, but no prompt to cuff him, is there any way to cuff hm still to get the s rank?

[summer copper]

i had the same thing. there is no fix lol. sorry

[stone bay]

press MMB on him and tell AI to arrest him maybe

[shadow ether]

It's a known bug, wait for a hotfix

[toxic glen]

thank you sir

[loud crescent]

you're cooked, it's a known bug
if AI won't cuff and you can't teargas him, restart the mission

[winter pendant]

Try bash

[loud crescent]

not sure if you can with ROE

[summer copper]

tried everything

[meager agate]

i hope of my ai's still has one thanks a bunch

[summer copper]

bash, shoot, gas... nothin

[meager agate]

doesnt work

thanks for all the replies btw guys!

[stone bay]

thats what we Dooo

[loud crescent]

least bloodthirsty LSPD officer

[summer copper]

good luck with your next run

[stone bay]

yoo its the 14th of december look at that

[summer copper]

lol euro

[shadow ether]

The helicopter view is just to ease the players into the airstrike feature later 😎

[summer copper]

what if we just like kill everyone

[summer copper]

attack helicopter killstreak

[shadow ether]

There's a cheevo for that now

[summer copper]

there is but like 3 people have gotten it and they all cheated

[stone bay]

??? there is literally a massive continent RIGHT UNDER europe with double the population and like 10x the land mass

[summer copper]

No.

[stone bay]

what if, hear me out, im from there and not europe

[loud crescent]

as in like, beneath??? vertically????

[summer copper]

don't be silly

[loud crescent]

youre from the fucking underdark bruh

[stone bay]

come on guys its africa

[summer copper]

he come from a land down under

[winter pendant]

For the last motherfucking time Italy is not a continent

[summer copper]

africa? you mean the song by toto?

[stone bay]

yes yes

[summer copper]

ahhhh my bad i didn't get it until now

[loud crescent]

[wypipo voice] Africa's A Country Dumbass

[stone bay]

saminamina, EHH EHH

[stone bay]

yeah guys come on

[summer copper]

waka waka EHH EHH

[stone bay]

salmonella samgaliwa

[summer copper]

ermm?? africa is a song???

why can't we emoji react

[stone bay]

istanbul africa

[shadow ether]

Don't you know they made a landmass after it

[summer copper]

did you know that the SWAT from ready or not was so popular, they made it into a thing in real life?

[stone bay]

guys guys guys

[shadow ether]

For real? 😵

[summer copper]

no, i made it up lol. SWAT is just in the game

[stone bay]

if im african but im not black, can i say it??? can black ones even say it or is it just african american

what if im LITERALLY african

[summer copper]

wdym can black ones even say it????

[noble pasture]

What the fuck did I walk into?

[summer copper]

why wouldn't black people...

[shadow ether]

Oh
Oh well
Would be cool though.

[stone bay]

ya habibi other hemisphere white africa

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-even-think-about-it-victor-sullivan-mark-wahlberg-uncharted-dont-you-dare-gif-25518001

[stone bay]

no no the african african ones

[shy tulip]

oh fuck they took my embeds?

oh no

[summer copper]

not even mods get embeds now. because of woke.

[shy tulip]

nvm that gif is just broken

[stone bay]

thats so unfair

[loud crescent]

i think if youre african african and black it's fine
but it's only fine because you're black, it's not fine because you're african

[summer copper]

aw shame

[stone bay]

come onnnnnnn we were colonized by like half of europe

[summer copper]

you are white bro 😭

[stone bay]

No no no but what about lightskin

[meager agate]

cs gas didn't work, this is incredibly frustrating, will try again tomorrow i guess

[loud crescent]

no you can't say it

[summer copper]

even your emojis are white asf you can't say nothin bro

[stone bay]

this dude still tryna talk about the game 💀 💀 💀

[sly nest]

Wait i had a meme for myself in this case somewhere

[stone bay]

SHIT Thats true

[meager agate]

just say it?

[stone bay]

hes basically albino

[summer copper]

fuck?

[stone bay]

i need to learn

[meager agate]

aye?

[sly nest]

Poles can say it becuase we got the pass from Haiti

[summer copper]

freedom of speech is NOT freedom from consequences

[stone bay]

its not racist if i use it like one

[winter pendant]

What tf happened

[stone bay]

aight aight

HEAR ME OUT

[summer copper]

☹️

😭

[shadow ether]

But what is it then?..
Not being an ass, just suddenly got curious to think about it for a moment

[loud crescent]

i mean
i personally wouldn't advise it but like
if that specific black person gives you the n-word pass in private that's. different i guess??

like eminem can say it. we all know eminem can say it.

I MEAN LOOK IF YOURE JUST GENERALLY RACIST THATS DIFFERENT

[summer copper]

freedom of speech was pushed as a way to allow people to speak out against people in power without being punished for it. people have misinterpreted that as "i can say whatever i want with no repercussions"

[loud crescent]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

[stone bay]

NO

[summer copper]

freedom of speech exists so that you can criticise the government and the president without facing legal repercussions

[stone bay]

Thats BS

[summer copper]

i feel like mods gonna make us drop it soon

[sly nest]

The most normal discussion in server

[stone bay]

Thats the issue

[loud crescent]

the b word isn't even sexist
but yes saying the r word is bad too

[summer copper]

idk why i said us im not involved in this now

[stone bay]

A Ending is as weak as a slap with a Fucking tiny ass plankton form spongebob or something

IM AFRICAN

[winter pendant]

I am of the mind that you should be allowed to say any and all words. However - we are all collectively trying to be nice to each other as a global society and part of that is a mutual understanding to not use racial slurs. Some people are doing it anyway and that is annoying but ultimately we have these rules for good reasons regardless of whether people break them.

[summer copper]

that's really cool man you must be really cool

[shadow ether]

I am urged to get very philosophical, like a Greek forum tier of philosophical here, but I don't have enough wine and RoN discussions is probably not the best place for it anyway

[summer copper]

i wish to drink beer now

[winter pendant]

You're the one risking a ban bud

[shadow ether]

I highly dislike beer
But good for you!

[summer copper]

i'm sorry to hear that, beer and pizza combo is gods gift to this lowly earth

[loud crescent]

GAMER NO

[summer copper]

F-350 minimum no?

F-150 too small, F-350 super duty

idk, i'm not american fortunately

[shadow ether]

I dunno about that...
I do like a good pizza, though.

[summer copper]

lifted??? gayyyy

[winter pendant]

I'm Tennesseean and I think pickup trucks are for pricks 😄 I don't belong here

[shadow ether]

Pickup trucks are very handy if you need to pick stuff up and drive around with it. Though honestly, I would prefer a van

[stone bay]

shit

[summer copper]

I DRIVE A LIFTED DODGE RAM TRUCK. I AM THE SELF PROCLAIMED KING OF THE ROAD AND NOBODY IS ABOVE ME AND MY LIFTED DODGE RAM TRUCK. I WILL DRIVE OVER EVERYONE IN MY LIFTED DODGE RAM TRUCK BECAUSE I AM LATE TO GET HOME AND KISS MY BOYFRIEND.

[stable kernel]

Move on

No more of this discussion

[winter pendant]

Hmm. So your argument is that we should all grow up. Fair assessment but idk if we can realistically expect that from each other nowadays

[stone bay]

Bruh that shit was DORMANT forever

[summer copper]

told you mods would come soon

[stone bay]

WHAT

[summer copper]

you are not long for this server

[stone bay]

oh no he's doubling down

[winter pendant]

My brain itches

[shadow ether]

You are being one right now

[stone bay]

you must scratch it. bang your head into a wall repeatadly

[summer copper]

lol

your last chance to stop doubling down

[winter pendant]

Did you have fun?

What did it cost?

[stable kernel]

Move on

I gave a warning

[shadow ether]

Bullpup rifles tho

Why we only got 1?

[winter pendant]

Sam Fisher

[shadow ether]

It's a CQB game, how come there's ten AR15s and only one bullpup? I mean, damn, they even cut down a perfectly good FAL for it but we don't get a FAMAS?

[winter pendant]

I mean, realistically the reason we don't have more bullpups is because it's a CQB game

[shadow ether]

Elaborate

[winter pendant]

Sure, they are shorter barrels, but they are also clumsy to reload. It's like reloading your armpit.

[summer copper]

i enquired before, SWAT don't use FAMAS so it prolly won't be added

[shy tulip]

what kinda metaphor is reloading your armpit?

[summer copper]

he's got a point

[shadow ether]

It's 30 rounds you need to run out of before that, easily enough for a given room 😎

Especially so if there's five of you

[winter pendant]

We tend to pick weapons on a mass scale based on what will work in a worst-case scenario, not best case

It's not about how often you need to reload. It's about, oh my god, what if I need to reload?

[shadow ether]

SWAT is not mass scale though, it's in the name

[winter pendant]

I put the special in special weapons and tactics 🙂

[shadow ether]

You sure do, star ✨
Edit: language barrier

[shy tulip]

The word "It" is indeed not in the word SWAT

Try again

[winter pendant]

Bulpup designs are good if you might have to do CQB once in a while but also need a long range option.I don't think they're very good as a dedicated CQB weapon.

Also, a lot of bullpup designs reportedly have really awful triggers According to that guy from Forgotten Weapons

[stone bay]

how far really is 30m? i cant get this achievement 😦

[summer copper]

if i had to guess, i'd say about 30 1 meter lengths away

[shadow ether]

That sounds like a description of half the RoN maps
Long hallways, open spaces, uff 💀

[winter pendant]

The enemy's head should be roughly the size of your red dot.

[summer copper]

iron sights users coping rn

[winter pendant]

No, I mean like infantry engagement distance, 100 meters. Or more

[summer copper]

it will be a good day when Remington 700 is added

[shadow ether]

I run a damn battle rifle on these maps pretty happily

[winter pendant]

Point is that we don't have more bullpups because they're clunky in a tight spot

[summer copper]

counterpoint: video game

[shadow ether]

So are battle rifles but we got them and I am very happy we did 😎

[summer copper]

also the F90 has shorter full length than other non bullpups

[winter pendant]

40-watt phase rifle when

[summer copper]

GA51 my beloved

[shadow ether]

when mods

[summer copper]

VOID could do so much with april fools updates man

[winter pendant]

I think I've made my case as well as I'm going to manage

[shadow ether]

Exactly!!
That flashbang dispenser would SUCK IRL, but I love it in the game even though I prefer my full G3A3

[summer copper]

i tried the SCAR-H and i found it to be unwieldy and atrocious, especially with the recoil which i about expected

[shadow ether]

So hear me out hear me out
What if

VHS-2

[shadow ether]

I dunno, I had fun with it

[summer copper]

maybe i should've put attachments on it idk

[shadow ether]

You definitely should

[summer copper]

i will, because i really do want to like it

[shadow ether]

Also, for shits and giggles I put the tilted handle on the MP7
I run it tilted the entire time anyway, it fits right in

chat dead from imagining my cursed gun

[median girder]

3 Letter Triad is painful.

[shadow ether]

How so?

[median girder]

Feels like a maze, tough enemies as well.

Still figuring out the best kit for the mission.

[rocky plover]

Anything from 556 AP upwards is fine

Just take it slow you have around 20-24 suspects in that map

Not too hard if you take room by room

[median girder]

Maybe I should play the mission when I'm not sick and can think properly.

Wanted to see the map because of all the hype around it being very lore heavy, especially that hidden room.

[shadow ether]

MP7, doesn't matter which sidearm (you're not getting any ammo for it anyway), light ceramic armor, you bring your favourite grenades and a counter to them, and whatever space you got left, you fill with AP mags for that MP7

And then you just focus on the next room, not thinking too globally about the map.

[median girder]

I keep getting shot at, and being hit, as soon as I get to the front of the hotel after walking up the stairs.

[shadow ether]

Perhaps a shield can help

[median girder]

It might actually, I forgot those existed.

[shadow ether]

Also, have you tried alternative entry points?

[median girder]

Uh no, I should really.

[shadow ether]

See? You got this, mate

[median girder]

I'll try it again later soon, gotta rest up. Nose running like a burst dam.

[shadow ether]

Get well soon!

[median girder]

Thanks, and also thanks for the advises.

[hushed rivet]

Interesting

[jolly pasture]

I have a question

is there aim assist when using gamepad support?

ive thought of playing on Steam Deck but its probably too difficult even with aim assist tbh

[shy tulip]

Yes

[jolly pasture]

do I have to enable it or is it there by default?

and are there different levels of aim assist strength?

[shy tulip]

Err, I think there are levels, I tried it one time but I'm not a controller person anymore so my aim was bad anyway.

Not sure if there was a toggle

[jolly pasture]

eh ill give it a shot ig

cant be too hard to find in the menus right?

[shy tulip]

It will be under its on menu in settings when the game detects a controller

I think

[narrow jay]

is the Boston Security G U I L T Y of their crimes?

[jolly pasture]

Huh?

I live near Boston and have no idea what you are talking about

[narrow jay]

amos voll's security info

[jolly pasture]

What's Boston gotta do with it?

[narrow jay]

In the valley of dolls mission the armed suspects you fight are the "Boston Security " and they've been around since the Spider mission and they'll shoot ya on sight if they see you but sometimes they'll surrender, and they are also working for the suspect you have to arrest in the Valley Of Dolls mission "Amos Voll." and no it has nothing related to boston, its just the name of the security company working for "Amos Voll".

[wraith arrow]

Can someone explain to me if the revolvers in this new DLC are automatic?

[jolly pasture]

What?

There are no new revolvers and revolvers by definition are not automatic

[wraith arrow]

Brixley made a kamikaze attack and fired automatically killing two of his companions

i have pic of that

[jolly pasture]

Oh I see

[narrow jay]

probably he spammed fired his revolver

[wraith arrow]

I only saw when he made a movement of his hands, he launched himself at us and shot.

where can i upload the photo?

[narrow jay]

like in what way was it automatic?

[cursive minnow]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[wraith arrow]

shot without cooldown

[narrow jay]

probably a bug?

[wraith arrow]

@narrow jay what your think?

kill 2 guys only with a 6 rounds revolver

WAIT REALLY KILL 3

I hadn't even noticed the other one

[narrow jay]

yeah i saw 3 dead

so probably its a bug go report it to bug reports channel

[wraith arrow]

wait i only see 2

[wraith arrow]

nah, its just funny lol

just the red one his alive

i die lol

[shadow ether]

Do y'all think incap suspects are so quiet because having them scream, moan and curse would make the game constantly super uncomfortable to play even though it's very realistic?

Would be cool if there was a mod for it though...

[fleet talon]

might have to wait till play all the new stuff till the game stop deleting all my loadouts and equipment tbh😮‍💨

[shadow ether]

I wonder when the hotfix will be

[fleet talon]

hope its soon because this is driving me crazy 😂

keeps deleting my nods on twisted nerve lol

[shy tulip]

Have you tried creating a preset so it saves

[shadow ether]

I know right? Really cool missions and really cool guns! Me and my team skipped the first DLC, but we're coming back in style for this one

[fleet talon]

does it? the issue im having is it keeps reseting my team mates weapons and removes it equipment. when i get stuff to equip to me it disappears in mission

[shy tulip]

#❗known-issues-and-fixes

[fleet talon]

ill try making my gear a loadout

ill give it a shot thanks man

[shy tulip]

You will have to make a preset for guns and a preset for cosmetics

[jolly pasture]

Anyone able to get gamepad support working on steam deck?

[shy tulip]

It will not cover both

[jolly pasture]

I see the gamepad tab but my controls don't work

[fleet talon]

is there any reason blue team doesnt spawn in with the flashes i give them? ive had this issue for over a year now

[shy tulip]

Not sure, did you create a weapons preset for them for now?

[tacit gull]

What controller you got?

[jolly pasture]

I'm running on a steam deck

[fleet talon]

yeah making the presets, will report back

[jolly pasture]

I saw another user on here had controller support working on steam deck so

[shadow ether]

This will probably be a rant nobody asked for, but I just gotta share it here.
The sheer contrast of the two DLCs made me realize something: if you are a dev of a mod-heavy game, don't do what the modders would easily do. Home Invasion was so underwhelming for us because we didn't see much new — and what we did see (balaclavas) was not quite enough to pull us into it. With Dark Waters, though, it added A TON of things that were welcome — a bunch of long-range guns, maps with new features, two new loading screens for two new methods of transportation, and honestly, this was a thing only a dev could do. For that, I praise VOID and wish for them to keep doing what they were doing with this DLC, because damn that's good stuff and a half.

[tacit gull]

And it doesn't work? Is steam controller support enabled? (haven't used a steamdeck so i dunno if that's on by default)

[fleet talon]

it doesnt seem to save secondaries every time unless its the glock, only primaries

[shy tulip]

I believe Steams controller support and Voids can clash, try disabling Steams

[shy tulip]

Noted

[tacit gull]

Enjoying this update a ton actually, it's been a while

[shadow ether]

I know right? It even made me re-enjoy some of the main game with the added stuff