👮ron-discussion

[stone bay]

finally S ranked ides of march

[mellow valve]

or duplicate the head without the hair, give it the balaclava texture and then just cut a hole in the second head for the eye holes?

[burnt nymph]

sup 👀

[mellow valve]

i mean its relatively simple to cheese

[tacit gull]

Even without the hair, you have balaclavas clipping into necks and different face structures

[coarse osprey]

[stoic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/eva-evangelion-congratulations-anime-nge-gif-5379454

[stone bay]

fuck this map, never playing it againb

[burnt nymph]

I just got back to the game after the DLC got released, did the AI change?

[stoic vortex]

Congratulations

[mellow valve]

how would it clip if you'd make it fit for every model by rmaking the voxels surround it

[stoic vortex]

now do S rank Valley of Dolls

[burnt nymph]

congrats

[tacit gull]

I know insurgency does this thing with mesh deformation/removal but i'm guessing that takes a LOT of work

[burnt nymph]

solo or with co-op?

[mellow valve]

doesnt the program just make it cling onto the model

[tacit gull]

I don't think it's that simple

[stone bay]

i will hang myself due to frustration

[mellow valve]

find the nearest surrounding polygons and transform them to not clip

[burnt nymph]

xD

[stone bay]

solo

[stoic vortex]

all that for one hawaiian shirt

[burnt nymph]

you have a will of iron sir

[stone bay]

oh is that the haiwaiian shirt map

[prime wing]

What if the balaclavas are part of a new single player mechanic like morale/stress and they cant release it before its implemented

[waxen grove]

Kinda of, not really, can’t tell to be honest. They might be a little better but they are still aimbotting pricks. Not sure if the seam shotting was fixed as it wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes.

Over all its fine but still shit

[stone bay]

fuck it ok im doing it

[burnt nymph]

[prime wing]

best way to see is by trying it yourself

[mellow valve]

obv stress mechanic for enemy AI. balaclavas hide the face - therefore dehumanizing the officer.

[burnt nymph]

the first DLC mission was easy I had no trouple except with locating the last civilian

[mellow valve]

first DLC mission had only 1 suspect for me 💀

[burnt nymph]

I might hit a wall when I try to finish Hide and Seek tho

[prime wing]

the dlc missions are arguably easier so far, but thats my take

[tacit gull]

that's definetly not supposed to happen lmao

[burnt nymph]

ikr? xD

[prime wing]

narcos tho is a bit cracked with the drum mag ar

[waxen grove]

How? It’s got like a minimum of 4

[burnt nymph]

it's suspiciously easy

[tacit gull]

It really doesn't, the map can start with 1 suspect

[mellow valve]

And then you get to Narcos

[burnt nymph]

I had like 3 guys that I managed to stun before they could even aim at me

[true saddle]

man i was playing 23 megabytes the other day and i failed because one of my ai officers shot and killed the streamer guy while i was pulling out the tazer

[mellow valve]

taser + pepper spray combo, op or not?

[burnt nymph]

the name alone got me shaking like that pink dog from that old ass cartoon

[wispy cypress]

melee.

[burnt nymph]

switching weapons takes ages for me 💀

[waxen grove]

I love how dorms has a minimum of 11 suspects and a maximum of 8 civilians. It’s kind of fucked ngl.

In a mod I’m working on I might see if I can’t have a few without it guns

[tacit gull]

taser - pepper spray combo op

[wispy cypress]

drinking coffee rn

[waxen grove]

Because 11 ARs is fucked

[burnt nymph]

I rely on the good ol orange shotgun that stuns stuff

[tacit gull]

Taser right now is just the most powerful gun in the game

[stone bay]

i prefer the pepper spray then taser combo, or the human torch special

[burnt nymph]

I suck with names sorry

[true saddle]

i was behind the doorway into his apartment, and so was my team 💀

[prime wing]

Dorms never has more than 1 or 2 suspects with rifles

[waxen grove]

The way the ai is setup is kind on backwards and stupid but eh it is what it is

[stoic vortex]

is it just me or does every Suspects always not surrender by yelling only?

[burnt nymph]

my AI team totally sucks compare to the enemy, I was arresting a civilian in Sins of the Father and one suspect saw me 4 rooms away and started shooting me while my AI was watching

[stone bay]

pretty sure thats a central point of the game

[waxen grove]

Nope, yelling in RoN only makes them attack you

[burnt nymph]

I tried convincing many people to buy the game and co-op with me but I guess my speech level isn't high enough

[stoic vortex]

damn everyone in LS really hates cops..

[waxen grove]

It’s how the ai is coded

[tacit gull]

At best you'll get suspects to hesitate if they're not aware of you, but yes otherwise there's no point to shouting at them (without LTL)

[burnt nymph]

that's why I shoot first and ask later

[prime wing]

even if they hesitate, they end up shooting at some point if they were gonna do it in the first place.

[true saddle]

yea, sometimes i have to suspend my disbelief when fucking bitcoin miners want to kill you 😭

[waxen grove]

And the RoI in this game means you can kind of get away with run and gunning half the time

[prime wing]

assuming you dont gass or bean bag them

[burnt nymph]

so what kind of weapons you guys use?

[stoic vortex]

managed to get one stop oil member suspect in lawmaker to give up by yelling alone

[stone bay]

hesitation is time to set your laser on their head

[prime wing]

With friends, always less lethal primary

[stone bay]

SA58 for missions with armour, pepperball when im feeling fun, and LVAR most of the time

[true saddle]

i like the bullpup one

[prime wing]

less lethal can lead to fun times with the right folks

cause its cheesing the game

[wispy cypress]

Playing with AI teammates can be fun and hard.
Sometimes they shouting out suspects meanwhile u can't see them, then u look where the AI is aiming, there's the suspect.
Probably the same code that suspects have, they can see you everywhere, but you can't see them. Even the smallest GAP is ggs for you.

[knotty crest]

SR-16 and a glock 19.

[burnt nymph]

except when all you have is the dumbass AI xD

[sly orchid]

LVAR and a glock 19

[burnt nymph]

I use the MK18 but mostly cuz I'm a dummy or the beanbag shotgun

[stone bay]

they would be the wrong folks

[burnt nymph]

oops

[wispy cypress]

If the AI is too dumb for you, u can do solo without them.

[burnt nymph]

how?

[stone bay]

AI is insane if you know how to use them well

[knotty crest]

Recoil on the SR-16 is so smooth, it’s so fun to shoot.

[wispy cypress]

Multiplayer > Friends Only.

[stoic vortex]

AR-180, SR-16 and AK

[burnt nymph]

never tried Multiplayer tbh 👀

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure the AI is too dumb for everyone, but negotiating some rooms is ridiculous in solo

[knotty crest]

Tbh I’ve only really found the AI suffers in large outside areas.

[sly orchid]

i only play multiplayer lol

[wispy cypress]

It's SOLO, if u set it on Friends only, no one is gonna join, unless ur friend wants to play with u lol

[burnt nymph]

I see the LVAR and SR-16 mentioned a lot they must be so fun and easy to use

[stone bay]

AI are my best friend on most maps, but on postal; service they are dumb as a single pebble

[true saddle]

Fal is fun

[tacit gull]

Best strat is to just drag them around you like they're turrets and hope they don't kill themselves by sitting in a doorway

[stoic vortex]

LVAR is stupid good

[burnt nymph]

that's the neat part, none of my friends want to buy the game lmao

[sly orchid]

I have like 140 hours on that game, all of which were spent with my real squad members (friends)

[true saddle]

i liks more unique guns then ar15 #5

[burnt nymph]

the power of friendship is too real

[stoic vortex]

SR-16 is just because it's long

[true saddle]

(i still use ar15 #5)

[wispy cypress]

Good for you, Multiplayer > Friends only pure solo, AI won't spawn. + It gives you extra FPS because u don't have ur AI Teammates.

[sly orchid]

yep, recoil is chefs kiss. I spent an hour testing all of the guns groupings and the lvar consistently was the best

[burnt nymph]

that's a good tip cuz I kinda suffer from stuttering

[stone bay]

i love seeing rescue all civilians before order to chaos. the confidence it gives me to switch to full auto is the best

[knotty crest]

For me the recoil on the SCAR-L sucks and the FAL is overkill, and I love AR platforms.

[wispy cypress]

I can give u my settings in DMS, does magical work if u're interested

[sly orchid]

and, even though its 300 black it still pens armor

[stoic vortex]

played with 4 thai friends with broken english

[burnt nymph]

I'd like to thanks 👀

[knotty crest]

The MCX is typically my second go to.

[stoic vortex]

Still fun, able to coordinate. (we barely spoke)

[true saddle]

recoil doesn't bother me at all

[wispy cypress]

Since new graphics settings poped up
Ambient + Reflections can damage ur performance.
These are like new MAIN settings for better fps.

[true saddle]

i dont like how they use an ar buffer on the scar it looks kinda bad

[stoic vortex]

They exist but whyyyyyyy

[sly orchid]

Yeah its literally useless and looks bad. scar is a short stroke system so it doesnt do shit 😭

[stoic vortex]

I wouldn't mind if it was the Masada stock

[prime wing]

recoil is one of the few things adding a level of difficulty. And the arguments for realism and "real professionals handle recoil better" dont apply. Its not like the game is consistent with it anyways. Having pee shooter or gel blaster recoil would be an easy ride most of the time.

however, some patterns are kinda odd

[tacit gull]

The last thing the game needs is less difficult gunplay

[wispy cypress]

Waiting for ur answer in dms

[prime wing]

ground branch would be slightly better with harder recoil

[tacit gull]

Atleast they slightly fixed the MPX but i still think the MP5/10 has easily the worst recoil in the entire game

[stoic vortex]

Ig the only reason to change scar stock to AR stock is to make it lighter????

[tacit gull]

ground branch would be slightly better with recoil*

[restive scaffold]

how can i do simultaneous breaches? like 2 doors at once with reds and blues

[true saddle]

pulling down on the mouse is you being the real professional

[tacit gull]

Hold shift while issuing orders then execute for gold team

[stone bay]

set c4 on both, have them both under leader, flash then clear

[stoic vortex]

gold element

[waxen grove]

Something strange I have found out about swat ai is that they react slower to sound then the suspects. Actually they are slower then civilians

[prime wing]

i imagine its something with how they process info

or identify

[waxen grove]

Holding shift, never got the system to work. They need to give the ability to order over helmet cams like swat 4

[simple drum]

This is good to know. Been trying to find the sweet spot for figuring out my settings

[restive scaffold]

ty

[stone bay]

i love the double c4 method

[true saddle]

i think insurgency: sandstorm has my favorite gunplay in any game

[tacit gull]

Reflections look terrible anyway so you might aswell turn them off tbh

[knotty crest]

It’s just preference for me, being able to land a lot three or four shots with a very tight grouping at range with the SR-16 and MCX is very satisfying, I have a much harder time doing that with the SCAR-L and I don’t really like that platform in the first place.

[wispy cypress]

Ambient on many games is the reason for performance.

[true saddle]

c2+c2=c4

[prime wing]

^

[stoic vortex]

ngl i want more AKs

[stone bay]

true

fuckmindjotfuckmindjotfuckmindjotfuckmindjot

[waxen grove]

I think the same but literally 0.05 vs 0.1 vs 0.2

[stoic vortex]

how do people struggle with mindjot?

[waxen grove]

Suspect, civilian, swat

[stone bay]

because i dont like going slow and the open areas annoy me

[prime wing]

leak of new ready or not mode: NOR

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852013325109690418/1267038623388139530/nor_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=66a94f6c&is=66a7fdec&hm=716b96ed0e881740b1f071fa6318163becc5409e20df26b1c8252c10a79a0ae6&

[knotty crest]

Server rooms in the centre area are genuinely one of the more difficult areas in the game, a lot of verticality and places for suspect AI to hide.

[prime wing]

probably how they decide to clear the level/order and the swat AI. But the map is not arguably difficult in multiplayer S ranks.

[stoic vortex]

GAS THE SERVER ROOM

[stone bay]

I DIDNT BRING GAS

[true saddle]

i liked swat 4s level design and characters better, remember that mission where you enter the hospital and the news coverage reveals your location? we would never get anything like that in RoN

[tacit gull]

Basically why you clear the overlook first

[knotty crest]

Even if you do gas the server room it doesn’t always work, especially if you are working with the AI.

[stoic vortex]

i dont recall dying alot in mindjot

[prime wing]

1.0 mindjot

[stone bay]

i dont die a lot i get too injured to kick a door and then i restarrt

[tacit gull]

The game absolutely could use more setpieces, it's what really sets Port apart from the rest of the game in quality

[stoic vortex]

no friendly casualties as well. prob my friends died tho

[knotty crest]

My favourite level is the hospital tbh, I don’t really like port.

[prime wing]

ironically port is one of my least favorites after 1.0. Feels like an open space cod map at times.

but thats subjective

[mellow valve]

Mindjot

[wispy cypress]

Midjot.

prob the worst map ever created

[tacit gull]

I fucking hate hospital, it's a massive, sprawling, confusing map that runs terrible, has ridiculous sightlines on the connecting bridge and has the highest damaging suspects in the game

[mellow valve]

Mindjot is server vietnam

[stoic vortex]

ok avid minjotter

[wispy cypress]

possibly a skill issue

[prime wing]

hospital lightning is bricked too

also unfinished

[stone bay]

hospital is great with 7 friends

[waxen grove]

Yeah no map matches swat 4 here and the environmental story telling is shocking. I cannot wait for map mods to be ported to ue5

[mellow valve]

bring back wendigo hotel\

[wispy cypress]

i like how each mission for many players is different, for some ppl hospital is hard, for others is easy

[stone bay]

FIRE CODE VIOLATION ON MINDJOT!! THE FIRE EXIT DOORS ARE LOCKED!!!!!

[mellow valve]

early access hotel was peak

[wispy cypress]

Imagine DLC2 with it

[true saddle]

i think i got to play that once before it got updated

[mellow valve]

AMEN BREAK JUMPSCARE

[wispy cypress]

ngl which hotel are we yapping about rn

[tacit gull]

(the good one)

[mellow valve]

a good one

[stone bay]

hotel (the rich penthouse place) is not apartments (the sniper one)

[knotty crest]

I love that shit, it’s had the best gunfights for me in the game.

[waxen grove]

DLC2 is called Maritime. Doubt we will get old hotel

[tacit gull]

The gunfights aren't really fun when suspects are shooting you through 2 windows that completely obscure them

[mellow valve]

hospital when it had buy cheap buy twice ost was so fun

[wispy cypress]

Wenderly hills hotel?

[waxen grove]

I think that was the one

[mellow valve]

was wenderly hills hotel checkin in or was it sins of the father

[stoic vortex]

i love hospital. I love it when Qadamar run past us and hide behind a wall while we clear the whole map

[tacit gull]

Yeah, wenderly hills was the one with axel ramone and the gangs

[knotty crest]

I’ve never had it that bad on the walk way area tbh.

[true saddle]

Real

[mellow valve]

makes no sense why it'd be axel and not the left behind tbh

[prime wing]

narcos moment

[stone bay]

holy shit i just had the best clippable moment on mindjot and medal isnt on

[stoic vortex]

Narcos was ok

i like Narcos

[prime wing]

lightning ideas can be cool but sometimes its unclear if we are supposed to see suspects through windows or not in bright maps

[true saddle]

maybe the clip was the memories we made along the way

[stone bay]

i promise it wasnt

[stoic vortex]

Only thing I hate about Narcos is that my mom walked into my room when I located Alejandro

[tacit gull]

How? it's two gangs beefing with eachother in the hotel, i don't remember exactly how it goes since the story kept getting changed but it basically lead to a shootout
Sadly we never had gangs fighting eachother mid game

[knotty crest]

Narcos is fantastic, one of my new favourite maps to play, I hope they do some more maps that have the vibe of going house to house looking for suspects.

[mellow valve]

left behind was in constant beef with senator friedmont

[tacit gull]

Yeah i definetly love narcos the most out of the DLC

[stone bay]

mindjot with broken legs is the worst invention i hate this

[wispy cypress]

Narcos can be annoying cuz of the sun

[true saddle]

cyote is hard thats where i got stuck last time

[stoic vortex]

Left Behind as a group is interesting

[tacit gull]

i don't see what that has to do with the hotel

[waxen grove]

Don’t worry about turning off pings, I don’t mind. But yeah it feels like the level design bible that was writen very early on was thrown out the window. I belive the guy from the elite force mod wrote it early on

[true saddle]

lockpick gun trust me

[mellow valve]

fun fact, narcos takes place in compton or smth idfk. does this mean 213 park homes is just LS' compton?

[wispy cypress]

Changed my favorite map from this new DLC
Lawmaker is perfection ngl

[drifting sand]

Suspect ESP seems to be painfully apparent on some maps; defintely something that needs to be put into feedback. Especially after the devs dedicated an entire dev blog to discussing how they resolved suspect detection and sightline issues

[prime wing]

suspect ai shooting each other would be crazy

[tacit gull]

we can't have nice things since le epic ranking system

[waxen grove]

That map is basicly the only one that knows what it wants it be and as such doesn’t feel out of place. Every map feels the same while Narcos feels unique because it actually works for once

[wispy cypress]

Grove Street x Ballas in ron

[true saddle]

oo use replay system

[mellow valve]

imagine a operation where you'd have to go assist officers pinned down by gang members

[wispy cypress]

narcos..

[stone bay]

thats kinda what the weird lady cult one was

[prime wing]

RoN summons

[tacit gull]

Eli, i choose you!

[true saddle]

guys i haven't played dlc yet 😭

[wispy cypress]

then play it, simple.

[mellow valve]

as if they were pinned down in an active shootout

[knotty crest]

I feel like the only one that could really be argued for is dorms.

[tacit gull]

I like dorms alot since it's so fucking chaotic, i genuienly think lawmaker is straight up kind of boring

Atleast suspects take hostages on it, so that's something

[stoic vortex]

i think that happened once... Was replaying Streamer for the 25348th time. I was clearing the mom's room when I heard one of the suspects say "Fuckin Animals!" and then Michael Say "OH MY GOD!". Heard a Bang and I just got the Objective Failed to arrest Michael.

[waxen grove]

Too many suspects with inappropriate weapony

[wispy cypress]

Boring.. come on man, it's sad kinda, the music, the family hiding in the Panic room with kids

ngl Panic room.. kinda Payday thingyy

[tacit gull]

It's another huge map that is also a labyrinth and the panic room is basically just a button that plays a voiceline

[stone bay]

fuck this, a single bad flashbang and i lost s rank on mindjot

[brittle swan]

What is the lockpicks gun point

[true saddle]

wdym by this or should i just play it

[stone bay]

fast lockpick, and it does mindjot doors

[wispy cypress]

Newbie trynna do S run in mindjot lmao, gl man, that map is pure nightmare.

[stone bay]

not newbie

[true saddle]

its quiet and fast and doesn't leave you exposed like kicking

[stone bay]

i have like 350 hours, still not full s rank

[tacit gull]

It makes lockpicking slightly faster but it costs an entire slot, not worth it

[brittle swan]

The second i enter theyll hear me anyways, and kicking is cooler so checkmate

[wispy cypress]

350 not all S tiers, wild

[true saddle]

he was on the server longer than you LMAO?

[knotty crest]

I like lawmaker a lot, I think the concept of eco-terrorists raiding an oil lobbyists is a very nice homage to early 2000s rainbow six games even if it isn’t intentional.

[waxen grove]

It has the most suspects out of all 3 maps. When you do play it be prepared for ARs

[brittle swan]

And also you kick from the side

[stone bay]

probably 200 is in multiplayer, which is a big part of it

[stoic vortex]

Is there a way to break down doors in one kick?

[wispy cypress]

What do u mean by that? U thought i started playing ron when i joined this server?

[brittle swan]

Bring the door ram

[stone bay]

have it be a weak ass doro

[tacit gull]

I have 464 and i still haven't done port and hospital

[knotty crest]

The only one you kind of have to use intermediate calibres is Narcos.

[stone bay]

real

[stoic vortex]

but kicking door is cooler 🥹

[brittle swan]

I like that they take hostages more often compared to other maps, fits the lore

[brittle swan]

Get to the gym and stop skipping leg day

[true saddle]

okay yea but why "newbie" 🫠

[wispy cypress]

GO GYM

[stoic vortex]

sir yes sir 10/4

[stone bay]

why are all the watch unlocks the old names

[brittle swan]

What

[stone bay]

like it wants me to do farm, coyote, and meth

[wispy cypress]

because newbie

[true saddle]

ok, lol

[brittle swan]

Cheryassa farm, border and the crackhouse yeha

[brittle swan]

The 1911 is kind of in the game

[waxen grove]

Internal reference names

We still need a p226

[wispy cypress]

i want proper 1911 :)))))))

[brittle swan]

Fair

[true saddle]

we have a 226

[wispy cypress]

people rn: USE MODSZZZZZ

[stoic vortex]

Disappointed with the DLC because we couldnt get to arrest this Hurricane Antonio

[knotty crest]

You have M1911s though.

[stone bay]

whats the correct calibre for hospital

[waxen grove]

We do?

[wispy cypress]

from temu

[tacit gull]

We already have 2 1911's and they both suck

[wispy cypress]

skins when, make this shi csgo

[mystic walrus]

Game needs a flintlock

[noble pasture]

Well its just human error, every gun is good if you hit only headshots

[brittle swan]

I dont think a single suspect there has bodyarmor

[stone bay]

cool thanks

[tacit gull]

Counterpoint: taser

[brittle swan]

I just usually bring gods intended caliber, 5.56 ap

[knotty crest]

Bro is really out here wanting to use a 100 year old vintage.

[true saddle]

p229 legion

[wispy cypress]

yeah

[stoic vortex]

I use the 2 Gulf Wars pistol

[wispy cypress]

some rpgs and miniguns would do a trick too ngl

[tacit gull]

give us a water cannon on the bearcat

[wispy cypress]

akimbo SMGS

[stoic vortex]

Give us a Tank

[true saddle]

yoo like one of those bomb diffusal looking ones with a gun on them

[knotty crest]

Only .45 I use is the USP even though it kind of sucks iirc. (God bless the USP)

[wispy cypress]

give us some throwable melee

[tacit gull]

the USP is sexy and doesn't only have 8 rounds

[knotty crest]

So true bestie.

[stoic vortex]

the ruby ridge negotiator robot

[wispy cypress]

ngl what run i should do today, s tiers or dorms objectives in 5mins

[tacit gull]

dorms in 5 minutes with ai is a nightmare

[true saddle]

go on a hike
IRL

[brittle swan]

Usp best sidearm fr

[stoic vortex]

what was the soft objective in dorms?

[wispy cypress]

the challenge itself looks hard

[brittle swan]

Find evidence of drug use

[tacit gull]

It's not that bad with a full crew in multi

[brittle swan]

Essentially just take a picture of the building

[tacit gull]

Best i've seen someone do is like 3 minutes

[stoic vortex]

THE WHOLE BUILDING PROB SMELLS LIKE DRUG USE

[wispy cypress]

might just gas the shit out of dorms then just rush

[knotty crest]

It’s in the weird church area.

[tacit gull]

That's gonna stop being fun when the ai refuse to give up to gas

[wispy cypress]

(then gets killed by the broken wall gap next to the 2nd floor stairs)

[brittle swan]

I just did bottom first, nonlethal for first 5 suspects, then go fully lethal

If i use nades flashbangs cause theyre quick

[wispy cypress]

we need helicopter force in this bihh

[tacit gull]

Yeah gas is just WAY too slow for my liking

Honestly i'm just glad it isn't gamebreaking like in swat 4

[stoic vortex]

i can never arrest more than 1 suspects nowadays

[knotty crest]

It still kind of is imo, gas is super super strong.

Not at swat 4 levels though.

[brittle swan]

Use the taser alot, shoot first ask questions later

[tacit gull]

I find flashbangs way more effective since they're guaranteed to keep suspects still and make them surrender

[sly orchid]

They need to put an MPU5 on the FCPC v5

[brittle swan]

Gas is quite strong ngl, toss it inside a room then walk in while everyone is stunned

[true saddle]

they should add a feature where ai teammates can give you throwables and wedges

[wispy cypress]

restrain all civillians in 5mins or dorms sound hard asf

[tacit gull]

Yes, they are absolutely incapable of throwing them themselves

[knotty crest]

I want nine bangs in base game.

[true saddle]

had one throw a flash directly on the doorway

[tacit gull]

I dont see what role they would serve

[stone bay]

literal walking storage unit

[sly orchid]

freaky or not update when 🤔

[tacit gull]

Stingers are already just kind of flashbangs but black

[true saddle]

SEF is such an influential mod man

[hollow kernel]

does anybody use the mp5 10mm? is it any good?

[tacit gull]

No

[true saddle]

i cant play swat 4 without a variant of SEF

[hollow kernel]

I feel like the 10mm sucks in this game

[tacit gull]

Probably worst smg in the game tbh just because of the recoil

[long cipher]

it's a mp5 with a bit more pen

[sly orchid]

stoppin powa

[brittle swan]

Its tough but doable

[hollow kernel]

why we both have gratr in our name

[true saddle]

its fun

[brittle swan]

Imagine using smgs lmao

[wispy cypress]

they are good, fast kills, no problem

[true saddle]

idk why everyone always mentions recoil it doesn't really affect me at all

[hollow kernel]

Wait what there is gratr lore?

[knotty crest]

You clearly don’t know how fun the MP9 and MP7 are lmao

[tacit gull]

i'm the gratr lore keeper

[hollow kernel]

Im german and i like the mp5 thats why

[long cipher]

sa58 is also fast kills

[tacit gull]

Oh i love emptying an entire mag into an unarmored suspect just for them to be incapped

[hollow kernel]

Was it from duerags server? i remember alot of us having that name

[long cipher]

DEUTSCHLAND!!!!!!!!

[wispy cypress]

mp7 goes BRRR

[tacit gull]

gratr is ron lore, not duerag's

[true saddle]

average AP rounds experience

[hollow kernel]

I was at the airport and all the cops had kitted out mp5s i almost nutted

[tacit gull]

play the game on april fool's to understand the lore

[hollow kernel]

I dont remember man i had this name since i joined but i dont know why anymore

[long cipher]

bundespolizei outfits are just hot af

[hollow kernel]

Yeah true

I have adidas spezial shoes from the bundespolizei from the 1990s. Didnt even know it till now and i wore those everyday bought them from an old shoe store they where repaired

[sly orchid]

are you using temu rounds or smth

[tacit gull]

even with JHP the mp9 just deals no damage, it's actually hilarious

[stoic vortex]

please do not announce to the server when you are going to masturbate. This has been a reoccurring issue.

[knotty crest]

Just put on family mode.

[hollow kernel]

Man i wasnt masturbating the mp5s just looked good

[mellow valve]

aim for the head

[true saddle]

IM SCREENSHOTTING AND TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT LMAOOO

[brittle swan]

Me when i dump 37 rounds into a suspects torso (theyre still standing)

[hollow kernel]

just sucks that the 10mm doesnt do much damage but has high recoil.

I feel like it should deal more damage with AP or atleast knock suspects out after 1/2 shots i mean the 10mm is pretty spicy

[true saddle]

is recoil really that big a deal breaker in this game??

[stone bay]

*** n o ***

[jolly verge]

It's fine against unarmored and L2 vest, 2-3 shots to incap

[long cipher]

on smg yeah as you'r using full auto

[stone bay]

then control it better 🕺

[hollow kernel]

What i think sucks is that when you yell for compliance he drops his gun even when aimed in so i dont even wait for the suspects to drop the weapon and just mag dump them

[knotty crest]

For some weapons it kind of is, especially when some are just a much smoother shoot.

[hollow kernel]

Using full auto in this game is dumb imo

[long cipher]

why tf would i use a smg with no full auto then i could just use a carbine xd

[tacit gull]

literally the point of SMG's is to use full auto

[stone bay]

3rd burst when

[true saddle]

every game should just steal insurgency sandstorms sound design

[long cipher]

yeah xD
lower recoil, easier full auto

[hollow kernel]

what i ment was that the player sways the gun away when yelling for compliance

[stone bay]

thats the single dumbest feature in the game

[hollow kernel]

You can use 10mm in burst

[errant folio]

Wtf did they add

[hollow kernel]

I died so many times because of this mechanic lol

[errant folio]

60 gigabyte update

[long cipher]

tf?

6gb update and patching rest of the files

[hollow kernel]

btw didnt gratr have something do with with gruntrs name being mispelled?

I dont really remember anymore

[hollow kernel]

Nah it was 60 gbs

[long cipher]

now read it again, 6gb update and patching the rest of the files

[true saddle]

why are the cops in this game so aggressive

[noble pasture]

The cops?

[stone bay]

took as long as a 60gb update cause of disk usage

[true saddle]

in the streamer trailer they break the camera for zero reason 😭

[noble pasture]

Thats pretty tame. The streamer is found in posession of illegal material of minors

[long cipher]

lmao for me it toke 10 min for the whole thing

[wispy cypress]

now i see, dorms 5mins is a nightmare

[true saddle]

okay but is the cop taking his anger out on his setup lmao

also the animation where you slap the guy youre arresting for no reason other than being mad ig

[noble pasture]

Probably, its a fucked up city and LSPD sees all of it first hand

[true saddle]

(these are non complaints btw idrc)

[long cipher]

bro after they killed a civ or tried to kill u it's reasonable

[noble pasture]

Their necks wont break after 1 slap

[true saddle]

well yea but it comes off as kind of unprofessional

[stone bay]

Any game development to reveal

[wispy cypress]

NAH RANDOM ASS CIV ONE PUNCHED ME TO DEATH

yeah im about to rage, this achievement is nightmare

[brittle swan]

💀

[true saddle]

makes so much sense 😭 are you fighting mike tyson IN HIS PRIME? 🙏

[stoic vortex]

The AI will yell "THE COPS ARE HERE" so that the hostages can feel safe knowing that help has arrived.

[wispy cypress]

Mf was with attidute, spammed the button to make em surrender, tried to melee em, boom got left hook from a female and i passed out

[true saddle]

they should add back fmj

[noble pasture]

Thats AP

[true saddle]

thats confusing...

[wispy cypress]

yeah fuck beanbag shotgun, going with smg

[noble pasture]

Armor Piercing is actually Full Metal Jacket. Actual AP rounds are really expensive

[wispy cypress]

never was a fan of shotguns in this game anyways

[true saddle]

why is it called ap then 😭

[noble pasture]

It Penetrates highest armor suspects have access to

[tacit gull]

we have access to GPNVGS though

[noble pasture]

We dont

[tacit gull]

yeah but we kinda do

for the entirety of D-platoon nonetheless

[noble pasture]

Nuh huh

[tacit gull]

we still defunded though 😔

[hollow kernel]

guys what happend to trailers did they just completly scrach that?

[tacit gull]

No, they're in the game in practice mode

[hollow kernel]

They are?

[tacit gull]

They only ever show up once objectives are complete though, so even when they show up it's very likely the mission just auto ends

They also just might not show up at all since they're bugged or missing in some maps idk

[hollow kernel]

Damn

[long cipher]

but we also have fmj, like we have both in the game fmj and ap

[sly orchid]

If theyre just FMJs then they shouldn’t be called aps lol

[wispy cypress]

Nah the fuck is going on, everyone started running around me, ai wont surrender extra time wasted

Hell with that achievement

[jolly verge]

They used to be called FMJ, but were renamed to AP, so people who don't know much about ammo can understand that AP is better against armor.

[wispy cypress]

Damn replay is frl buggy asf

no gunshot sounds, ai sounds, voice sounds, just walking sounds, restraining animation is buggy, when u die u just standing with ur hands crossed

[bitter mason]

yeah the ue5 update really busted it even more
hopefully will be fixed in the next patch

[cerulean crypt]

some of the arrest animations are so unnessecary ngl, kicking and manhandling innocents smashing their face into the floor just to zip tie them lol

id understand if they used the kick animation on suspects but ur guy will literally kick innocent people's heads into the floor

[bitter mason]

Do they not have seperate softer animations for civs?
I havent really noticed kicking civs that much

[cerulean crypt]

i feel like some are separate like the smack one

but some civ ones definitely smash their heads into the floor for no reason LOL

[long cipher]

arrest animations for suspects are generally more aggressive

[cerulean crypt]

like it does a whole dust particle effect of their forehead hitting the floor but it's just some innocent well dressed lady in her office who doesnt deserve it lmfao

[wispy cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnM8ZSNTM8 ngl

[pearl shuttle]

No they don't, I've literally never seen any civilian restraint animations that do that lmao

[winged peak]

Me neither, I just saw all the arrest animation on yt, there’s no kicking for civilians

Civvies being right next to suspects in maps like neon tomb and elephant and they don’t get shot lol

[bitter mason]

thats purely done for gameplay
With the way scoring works currently having all the civs get shot as soon as the mission starts would just be annoying and make S ranking next to impossible

[pearl shuttle]

Also you can tell them to run to the exit lmao

[bitter mason]

I can get behind active shooters taking hostages when the cops arrive. Gives them leverage

you can on every map
its just sometimes buggy

[pearl shuttle]

Yes you can lmao

Biggest issue is that they take ten years to get up from kneeling but otherwise they’ll move to the exit

[bitter mason]

they can get stuck on doors too
and have to finish their surrendering animation before you can send them running

[cold swift]

Well technically you can order civs to run and leave the area

Bro really wanted out

[pearl shuttle]

Should just do the SWAT 3 thing where restrained NPCs disappear after a while

[stoic vortex]

you guys a Supernova or an 870 user?

[bitter mason]

ngl they just really need to add some animations for suspects and civs opening doors
its so silly perps can blast open doors with their minds and shoot you at the same time

[bitter mason]

I actually quite like the 870 more
waaaay less recoil than the other shotguns

Tactical something command I forgor the middle bit

[stoic vortex]

Teacher of Ceremony

[cold swift]

Operations?

[bitter mason]

oh no its tactical operations center

[stoic vortex]

Tactical Operations Command

[winged peak]

Tactical Operations Center

[bitter mason]

if ur into that kinda stuff

[winged peak]

TOC reminds me of Overlord from the MW2 campaign

[cold swift]

Tbh i think suspects moving animations are a bit weird when they fire. Sometimes they straight up slide around for me. Their movement doesn't match their speed

[bitter mason]

yeah they need to be slowed down a lot when firing
Put them on the same level as the player
feels like the suspects are on a movement shooter while we are in a tactical one

[winged peak]

They move sideways with jogging speed

[noble pasture]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[bitter mason]

there entire sporadic strafing doesnt really feel right for this game. especially with how accurate they are

[cold swift]

True

[noble pasture]

how did I not get the achievement to pop? its 5 minutes on the dot

[bitter mason]

probably has to be under 5

so you were off by a second :(

[winged peak]

You can think of the most random shit and you’ll probably find it on nexus

[noble pasture]

Complete all objectives in 5 minutes

I did

[bitter mason]

likely means under really

femboy toc has existed since early access

[noble pasture]

Also bots are too slow, if they see a civie they abort arrest orders

[bitter mason]

me when femboy toc has cooler level intro lines than vanilla toc

[cold swift]

Freaky or not

[bitter mason]

infact all of the lines are better
If only it wasnt a friggin femboy voice

[winged peak]

“Entry team, this is FISA. We need you to close that container”

[cold swift]

I just checked it out and... it's true, damn...

[bitter mason]

I really wish they put more effort into the voice lines... So many are just bleh
and theres tons of really bad ones still left over from early access that I figured were placeholder

[fresh roost]

Is that a bad thing?

[bitter mason]

I mean.... I'd rather not have a femboy in my ear at all times

[fresh roost]

Fair fair

[cold swift]

I wouldn't trust some rando online who claims to be an irl officer. But then again you never know

[long cipher]

femboys are just better boys :3

[bitter mason]

I remember coming accross a mod that removes the blankets and clothes from the women on port I think this was during Early access
people were rightly grossed out by it and so many other people were like
"Urmg its u guys who are the freaks, this just makes the game more realistic 🤓 "

[mossy agate]

lmao

freaky or not, quite literally

[long cipher]

fr they just know what we want :3

[winged peak]

This reminded me of a running gag a few months ago where everyone posted a screenshot of them carrying the register lady from neon tomb, whole steam com page was filled with them

[cold swift]

Void had no business giving her that much cake

[noble pasture]

second run took twice as long cause of those tweakers

They fuck off and hide in a dark corner

[waxen locust]

Guys how to fix lag in the new version i just bought the dlc but the lag is bad i get around 40 fps but before the update i used to get 165 on all maps without drops

i always used the highest setting possible with dlss on quality and 150 resolotion scaling, now even without these i still get from 40 to 50 fps

[bitter mason]

try swapping to DX11 through steam

[cerulean crypt]

yea i was wrong about the kicking thing but the actual civ arrest animations still slam their heads into the floor so hard it makes a dust particle effect

[stone stump]

please use DLDSR if you're doing that

[waxen locust]

why would that help? i have a new computer

[cerulean crypt]

like dawg is this not kinda silly

[bitter mason]

worth a try

[wispy cypress]

i forgot, can u get achievement from multiplayer?

[waxen locust]

how?

[bitter mason]

ye

[cold swift]

Can't quite explain to you, but i use dx11 too and my game has way more frames than with dx12

[wispy cypress]

but cosmetics won't pop up in practice, commander ye? just in multiplayer

[bitter mason]

you can change and unlock cosmetics in any mode

[wispy cypress]

tf, when, where, how

[bitter mason]

only thing you cant change in commander or practice is your head and voice

[noble pasture]

I want to fucking kill those civies

[wispy cypress]

"that one insane swat teammate:"

[noble pasture]

the Search and Secure also doesnt work on civies who are deaf that a SWAT raid is going on

[long dome]

But why, you are adding more overhead and more AI smearfest passes into the image.

Besides that guy does not have 150% res scale since DLSS overtakes primary scaling in unreal.

[noble pasture]

they are resisting arrest by hiding from the cops

[bitter mason]

cosmetic unlocks are tied your score on a level, as long as you achieve the required score no matter the mode you will unlock the cosmetic
you can change them in the same menu where you change weapons

[desert flicker]

Can someone explain to me WHY AI still cracked?
How can bunch or drug addicts shoot like trained sniper team?

[pearl shuttle]

Haven't really experienced that

[noble pasture]

I need tips on how to instantly subdue civies

[winged peak]

Dunno, but there's 10 mods that fixes that anyway

[noble pasture]

also I need to baby sit 80 IQ swat officers

[desert flicker]

yea well swat ai is it's own kind of special
clearing room while moving backwards with a shield in hands

[long cipher]

with 80 iq they could tell by their own when to open a door

[waxen locust]

worked

[desert flicker]

half of my restarts is because this dumb swat ai just dies to single suspect, kills civies or just don't give me cover from behind somehow
i was struggling one mission with AI
literally invited fried to help him move past some missions
that damn mission that i was struggling in? we almost got an S, killed only one suspect

friendly AI is incompetent
enemy AI is VERY overperforming
and this continues for more than 2 years at this point

[pearl shuttle]

Sounds like you just suck tbh

[bitter mason]

what mission?

[winged peak]

A lot of people don't get this, they think DX12 is like a high setting or some shit
It runs a good 15 fps better on my setup than DX11 and with less stutters too

[desert flicker]

if i'm suck - why i Almost S'ed mission with ONE player that i was struggling to do with AI

[pearl shuttle]

Probably Greased Palms

[pearl shuttle]

Lol your AI team are literally aimbots if you can't pass a mission with them that's on you

[desert flicker]

aimbots that kill civies and can't cover my 6
SUUUUUUUUURE

[bitter mason]

Ai is still pretty rough

[pearl shuttle]

Never happened with me, sounds like you need to get good lmao

[cold swift]

anecdotal evidence

[winged peak]

Never heard of AI killing civvies but it does take them 4 business days to turn around if they're getting shot from behind lol

[pearl shuttle]

Yes we're both citing anecdotal evidence of course

[desert flicker]

they constantly kill civie on second flor in 23 megabytes
at least 2/5 times in my experience

[pearl shuttle]

That's probably because they were taken hostage

[bitter mason]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[winged peak]

💀

[frigid vault]

If you die in a multiplayer mission, do you still unlock items?

[bitter mason]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[bitter mason]

yeah, aslong as the score for the level meets the requirements for the unlock

[frigid vault]

yup yup, ty man

[winged peak]

i got nothi-

[gloomy thistle]

[pearl shuttle]

Almost always happens with hostage takers because the SWAT AI aims for center mass lmao

I've definitely never accidentally shot a hostage when aiming for the taker's head

[noble pasture]

why did the bot throw a 04:59 minute game?

[topaz karma]

its more funny if you give them shotguns

[pearl shuttle]

It's always the dudes with ARs that do it in my runs, funnily enough

[winged peak]

Hasn't happened to me probably because I'm usually first on entry, but I guess if you let them breach every door it will happen inevitably

[topaz karma]

i give mine shotguns and they just blap both every time

[noble pasture]

I cant beat 5 minutes

[bitter mason]

yeah
theres still plenty of problems with swat ai
They often cant clear rooms properly depending on the map. Some stacks on doors are way too exposed, they will literally stack in front of the door.
Their reliability seems to be pretty random. They seem to kill good on breaches but when holding position they will often just miss every shot
They dont care what is infront of them when shooting so they will often blast through teammates
they will overextend to collect evidence or arrest people leaving them open and exposed

yea

[pearl shuttle]

It's an objective so yeah

The Feds did nothing wrong of course

[topaz karma]

or sometimes just stand in the open with suspects near them, but will not cuff them and just walk away
sometimes they just stand while getting shot and dont bother trying to shoot back or take cover etc

[winged peak]

That was a politician's amazon order, that's why they got involved

[pearl shuttle]

That's because they don't have any functions for taking cover at all

To be fair neither did SWAT 4 and SEF fixed that by just making them use the suspect cover system

[bitter mason]

its particularly bad on breaches, since they will never stop to engage a suspect, they will stick to their clearing path so they will one by one run past a doorway a suspect is shooting them from

[pearl shuttle]

Big problem with both games is that the SWAT AI overextends

[pearl shuttle]

SWAT 3 fixed this by making them just stop to engage and then continue clearing when it's clear

[bitter mason]

SWAT 3s friendly ai is nuts
they will sprint to engage a suspect firing at you. They will lay down their life for you

RoNs has a metal breakdown when they have to kill a mass shooter

[pearl shuttle]

Funnily enough Ready or Not has a similar function when it comes to breaches; they'll occasionally pause their breach to tell someone to get down first before entering

[winged peak]

When they have to do anything

[pearl shuttle]

My pro gamer tip is to switch the default command for open doors to having them stack first so you can do some limited penetration stuff

[rugged vector]

@noble pasture In Multiplayer, we wedged one second floor door and had somebody tank/shield the shooters on the deck. Then rest of team swept up the ground floor and cleaned up the top. Doesn't need to be A+ just need to hit the objectives.

[pearl shuttle]

It is raining, why expose them unnecessarily of course

[pearl shuttle]

Literally true; I've had them rush to my location when I was engaged

[noble pasture]

Problem is no one is joining on multiplayer

[winged peak]

Also never informed you of said trafficking victims, and immediately start barking orders when you discover them

[noble pasture]

Yall think this is some conspiracy cause of some schizophrenic said so?

[rugged vector]

Well, there is a case for like forensics and such - controlling access to victims, etc. However it's not the natural thing to like, re-closing the concentration camp doors to keep prisoners where they can be treated.

It's still super creepy and not explained well at all. Classic Feds.

[pearl shuttle]

They're also capable of clearing missions armed with revolvers and shotguns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtOhFRu6QrE

[rugged vector]

Now I'm imagining arming the ladies in the crate with revolvers and shotguns and setting them loose in the Port.

[winged peak]

No, not because someone said so, because it's literally implied + feds have done worse shit IRL

[pearl shuttle]

The Feds would never do anything wrong

[noble pasture]

Untrue, its easy to post anything on 4chan

[rugged vector]

If only there was a dog on Lethal Obsession...

[winged peak]

Glowie

[pearl shuttle]

ATF DLC when

[wispy cypress]

F Meldonin achievement.

[pearl shuttle]

AI has its flaws but its amazing how much better they are at room clearing than RON's AI

[rugged vector]

Sorry, I meant to say FISA agent on the radio is being super vague and should easily be able to explain why they want it done that way. Dude who voice acts it delivers an incredibly creepy tone.

[pearl shuttle]

I think it's a copyright thing lol

[covert meteor]

same reason GTA calls them the "FIB"

[pearl shuttle]

I blame this Discord; it was originally the FBI until somebody pointed out an FBI policy

[noble pasture]

Yeah, devs didnt want CIA being corelated with criminals

[covert meteor]

also why does TOC act like hes frusterated with us like "uhh? copy that"

[winged peak]

True, some games use FBI, others use parodies

[noble pasture]

CIA and FBI would never do anything against American people

[rugged vector]

Federal Examination Department lol

[covert meteor]

imagine how hard void entertainments lawyers would clentch when they heard they were being sued by the FBI

[pearl shuttle]

Federal Bureau of Intelligence

[covert meteor]

Federal Bureau of Incompetence

[rugged vector]

Federal Bureau of Observation of Individuals FBOI

[pearl shuttle]

fuckboi squad

[winged peak]

Why is there a bureau for Alcochol, Tobacco and Firearms, all legal things in america?

[pearl shuttle]

To annoy people

[rugged vector]

To try and make them less legal. One sec let me get my notes together

[covert meteor]

feds LOVE digging into things they have no authority over

if they wanted to do something productive they could always undermine the canadian economy and military to make annexation easier for when im president

[pearl shuttle]

I think the ATF is good and more people should have their guns seized

[rugged vector]

In 1972 all the vets were coming back from Nam and buying guns. You used to be able to buy a Thompson submachine gun from a hardware catalogue, mind you.

In 1973 We got the DEA

[covert meteor]

me if i was fucking lobotomized

[noble pasture]

People dont need guns

[covert meteor]

machine guns have been regulated since the 30s but yeah pre 86 it was a lot easier

[pearl shuttle]

Sorry kiddos, only the state gets the monopoly on violence

[covert meteor]

guns are the great equalizer, anyone at risk should absolutely be armed if they care for their own safety or their loved ones safety

and everyones at risk because theres always some dumbass looking for a cheap win

[rugged vector]

Basically, the IRS got tired of all the gunbois in their headquarters.

Which is another TLA

[pearl shuttle]

I encourage suicidal people to buy firearms all the time; it's a good way of staving off those suicidal thoughts

[winged peak]

Feds when it comes to protecting presidential candidates vs feds when it comes to stealing money (taxes):

[rugged vector]

Well, money and Land, of course. Story as old as time. I forget, how was the dude in the mailroom wrapped up in all this?

[winged peak]

He was a "Corrupt" (Most are corrupt) fed

[pearl shuttle]

if you want to evade taxes just be a shareholder and use your shares as collateral to get loans from the bank

[sinful yoke]

Dude, anyone know what the suspects work out regime is?

[rugged vector]

Was he just working with the hermanos or running guns or what?

[winged peak]

OR i could fly my Piper Dakota light aircraft into the IRS offices

[sinful yoke]

I wanna know how to tank a entire mag of point blank hollow to the chest like this man just did, lowkey got the chest workout to a T

[pearl shuttle]

You would never do that

[rugged vector]

saw a dude's stomach open up and eat a slug the other day

[sinful yoke]

These guy's def built for fortitude

[winged peak]

right?

[rugged vector]

IN FLIGHT SIMULATOR bruh

[sinful yoke]

What perks they running, juggernog?

[pearl shuttle]

No because I know for a fact that you're too much of a coward to do that lmao

[rugged vector]

my theory, hear me out, is they are secretly from the planet krypton

[sinful yoke]

hmm that would explain alot

What's a girl got to do for a portable EOD suit on RON tho

[pearl shuttle]

What would the EOD suit do

[frigid vault]

me and a friend playing rust belt, but we're struggling to get more than a C, any suggestions to get it better?

[sinful yoke]

Look cool while i defuse bombs on hospital

[pearl shuttle]

True

[sinful yoke]

If i dont look cool, then im losing half the battle

[pearl shuttle]

It's all about the drip

[sinful yoke]

"Why are you using anti flash goggles, just use a full face mask..." Hehe drip..

[pearl shuttle]

Bot working overtime damn

[sinful yoke]

what happened with the DLC dude

Every server is either super laggy or, timesout before i even get into it

[rugged vector]

Wondering: if I turn down my graphix, will I be able to see my drippy tattoos better in multiplayer?

[pearl shuttle]

Idk but I blame peer to peer servers

[sinful yoke]

Is everyone's pc getting bricked mid match with me or something

[winged peak]

deleted it because it had the sui**de word lmao

[pearl shuttle]

RoN discord moment

[sinful yoke]

honestly, i do prefer p2p servers for private server reasons

[pearl shuttle]

They have their places

[sinful yoke]

But when im in public lobbies, the entire RoN community is running 1mb wifi

[wispy cypress]

workaholic

[winged peak]

Anyway i wanted to say it was a joke regarding the pilot who did just that but go off

[sinful yoke]

RoN DLC logic, reminds me of the old days tho, some of the older games where only one of you had to own a dlc to play, so im def fond of that

[wispy cypress]

#🔎looking-for-players yo

[covert meteor]

i love this game but its just so fucking stupid sometimes

why the fuck are 5 swat officers responding to clear an entire shipping port warehouse of heavily armed suspects

[frail pier]

Because we're a swat team that full sends it

[covert meteor]

out numbered 4-1 but you should still try to save the suspects lifes

[frail pier]

The judgement theory kinda changed my mind on some of this. But it's just a fan theory at this point.

[winged peak]

no funding

[frail pier]

I'd argue bullshit there

[violet tusk]

because that's pretty much the whole swat department. A recurring theme in the game is that everyone is either in therapy or retired

[covert meteor]

no funding yet each officer is running 150k dollars plus of gear

[violet tusk]

plus no funding, yeah. You only need to buy that stuff once

[covert meteor]

yeah i doubt that you know how much the officers get shot?

that gpnvg can only take one shot before its busted, then thats another 45k to replace it

gotta replace armor and helmets every time theyre hit too

pretty much everything has to be replaced after getting shot tbh

[frail pier]

Your typical LEO cruiser is fucking up armored in this game lmaoo

To like a mad max level damn near

[covert meteor]

armor wont do you good when you arent using it

[frail pier]

I'm just speaking on the whole budget part lol

[covert meteor]

also on like 23 mbs a second, why are there just like 5 basic armed suspects on that level

wasnt it just one dude crashing out

[frail pier]

It was a SWAT prank from a viewer

[cold swift]

What's that?

[frail pier]

Video someone made. Just a fan theory at this point though. Look it up

[covert meteor]

dude gets pranked and the rest of the apartment complex decides to just take on the swat team

[cold swift]

Oh ok, thanks

[frail pier]

Gang bangers protecting their crypto miners

[covert meteor]

so wait was it someone swatting a streamer or them responding to an illegal crypto mine

[violet tusk]

the streamer was a cryptobro. SWAT responded because the streamer called the cops and said he murdered his mother

[covert meteor]

but moms fine ?

[violet tusk]

This is all in the debriefing on the tablet

[frail pier]

He called the cops? I thought it was a swatting

[violet tusk]

Yeah eh did

[covert meteor]

i only use the briefing tablet to judge the quality of the modded maps

if it has a good briefing then chances are its a good map

no briefing, chances are its a basic map with a couple of suspects copied and pasted

[frail pier]

No actually he never called the cops lol.... That's literally a swatting call

His voicelines in the level are literally "who called the cops"

[vivid crescent]

One of his lines when getting arrested is even saying that it must be a swatting if I recall

[frail pier]

Yeh^

[violet tusk]

yeah no shit it was swatting, but it was his voice. That was my point

[frail pier]

He didn't call... dude didn't swat himself

Someone pretended to be him... aka swatting

[pearl shuttle]

My question is how many apartments does he own lmao

[violet tusk]

I literally just said that. English not your first language?

[pearl shuttle]

Like his mom is living in a separate apartment?

[true saddle]

Gets Swatted
Shoots at SWAT
👍

[violet tusk]

Honestly it's a pretty crazy coincidence. We were responding to a swat call and turns out he was running a crypto scheme and had cp which inevtiably led us to finding the source

[frail pier]

English isn't yours because you said it's his voice, that he called.... when he never called

[violet tusk]

the mental gymnastics going on rn

[true saddle]

and it was like a huge operation too

[frail pier]

......

[noble pasture]

Me: "Shotgun and clear"
Swat AI: "I think I left the oven on" and fucks right off

What even is going in SWAT AI code going on when they disobey orders?

[steady geode]

anywhere i can get up too date bullet damage values?

[north wave]

Does anyone know, may I use a shield while completing Beat-Cop achievement, or pistol only is allowed?

[bitter mason]

The streamer never called the cops, his mom is alive and fine. The call was a viewer of his stream pulling a prank
I think the fact everyone gets confused on this is a great example of how terribly executed the level is
It would be way more obvious its a swatting if the level wasnt full of 10 armed goons, and if the streamer himself wasnt a fucking psycho

[violet tusk]

Bro didnt read anything past that. My point was that the cops thought it was him because they thought it was his voice. The rest of the storyline happens by sheet coincidence

[low valve]

he's right, it's a swatting scenario. But yes, that bothers me too. In my opinion, there shouldn't be any armed people in the streamer's house or, alternatively, the streamer could have been taken hostage, as swat arrives. Or maybe I didn't understand this point and they are just "attacking" the streamer?

[noble pasture]

Give bots lethal guns, let them clear the hallways?

[bitter mason]

I read a bit later after I posted that sorry lol
I just skimmed through and it looked like you were implying it was the streamer that made the call

[noble pasture]

I think I should give them smokes and 300 blk

No smokes are too slow, bangs

[bitter mason]

also someone said
"He called the cops? I thought it was a swatting"
Then you literally responded "yeah he did"

[frail pier]

It's almost like missing context goes crazy

[noble pasture]

Milky Toes didnt get swated he called the swat on himself as a prank call

[bitter mason]

nuh uh

[noble pasture]

Milky Toes called the cops and said he offed his mom

[violet tusk]

nuh uh

[bitter mason]

[wispy cypress]

ngl lfg channel is dead

[north wave]

Optimal I think 2 people are clearing 1st floor and 3 people clearing 2nd floor, neutralizing all suspects with lethal force

[wispy cypress]

can't find a single soul to help me with dorms achievement

[frail pier]

Lethal or non lethal?

[frail pier]

I got you bb we do it in like under 4 mins 1st try

[noble pasture]

Whatever is fastest and can get me 5 arrests. I did it non lethal once and failed the run by 1 second

[wispy cypress]

say less

someone said "Are you sure they're not done singleplayer?" now im scared

[noble pasture]

S rank run, 5 minutes on the dot, failed the achievement

[violet tusk]

I do wish I could do any mission at any point without unlocking it through the damn commander mode

[stone bay]

All missions are unlocked in multiplayer

[frail pier]

I try to speedrun the 5 arrests. Tazer is good or flash, gas doesn't matter. You can clear bottom hallway and ram every door on that floor. Since you're with AI they can cleanup those rooms as you move. After those 5 arrests just merk everything.

I did it solo without AI in almost less than 4mins but I was incapping civs for faster securing. If you do that just remember suspects can take 2 shots from every rifle except SA58 torse/chest. While civs can only take 1 to incap.

[violet tusk]

For me when I go to MP I only get the levels I unlocked in commander

[frail pier]

They aren't done in singleplayer only. I've helped people get the achievement in MP. But there is some wild bug that makes you crash when you're supposed to get it. I've seen it happen twice now.

[noble pasture]

I am still mad I got a S rank 1 second shy of the achievement

[wispy cypress]

i don't usually get too much crashes idk

[frail pier]

Gimme 2 mins imma DM you. I gotta make coffee

[bitter mason]

its easier to go through them on practice. Practice is basically just free play but you still have to go through each mission first before getting them all. You just dont have to deal with squad management and can restart whenever through the pause menu

[noble pasture]

bots should be given lethals to take care of suspects no?

[wispy cypress]

coffee? weak
2nd energy drink cuz i want to get that fkin achievement

[frail pier]

I'd do beanbag for them lol and you only lethal

[frail pier]

Bold of you to assume I didn't drink a zero sugar monster 5 hours ago

[wispy cypress]

zero sugar monster

[frail pier]

@noble pasture wanna join us? We'd knock it out even quicker

[wispy cypress]

dm suka blet

[noble pasture]

what server?

[frail pier]

US? we arent in VC rn

[weak mist]

WHY IS MY READY OR NOT CONSTANTLY FREEZING AND CRASHING

[noble pasture]

I am in EU

[livid sluice]

its cause like, they were guarding their secret bitcoin mining shit and thought the swat raid was for the bitcoin, not just a swatting call

[bitter mason]

I still think thats a terrible excuse. No way a bitcoin farm owned by a wimpy twitch streamer would be guarded by 10 gangsters with AKs and shotguns who fight to their last breath

[native rune]

Void can’t make a small map with limited suspects interesting, not enough behaviors, so they opt for more suspects

[bitter mason]

they literally have a behaviour for suspects hiding its just hardly used

[native rune]

Exactly, the behaviors that are there are under utilized or don’t work properly, still.

[bitter mason]

Streamer could have very easily been the first level in the game
Have the streamer and maybe like one or two friends of his with at most a pistol that they will rarely use. Fill the level with mostly civvies

It serves as a good starting point out of the tutorial and teaches the player briefings cant always be relied about 100%
They could also fix civvie compliance so sometimes you need to use less lethals to coax them into surrendering

[livid sluice]

Could also be good to show hiding behaviors with suspects, like the guy trying to hide under his bed or something like that

[tacit gull]

That's a thing in the game, except it's almost never used

[pearl shuttle]

Sure if they actually bothered auto playing the briefings like in the SWAT games

[native rune]

Ends of the earth has like the most hiding spots and I’ve never seen anyone hide on that map once without mods.

[tacit gull]

The closets on Brisa Cove are there so suspects can hide in them, but they just go COMPLETELY unused

[bitter mason]

I imagine most people dont have the attention span to listen to briefings too
already people whine about not getting to play all of the levels right off the bat

[pearl shuttle]

Smartphone generation

[noble pasture]

civies keep fucking my runs, is there any mod that makes civies less stupid and surrender faster?

[bitter mason]

couldnt even make a suggestion to have weapon progression for a career mode because people would complain saying they dont want to have to unlock things
even tho the suggestion was only for a career mode like commander

[bitter mason]

hit them with less lethals if they dont comply

[pearl shuttle]

Shoot near them

[tacit gull]

Some people really don't give a shit about playing the game at all, they just want to shoot everything

[pearl shuttle]

Just make the bullets don’t ricochet

[bitter mason]

its a real shame

[tacit gull]

Some of the most popular mods removing even more features because they "limit you"

[pearl shuttle]

Which ones

[tacit gull]

25 slots

Or complete ROE removal

[pearl shuttle]

I don’t like the slot system I think it should be replaced by weight but yeah

[pearl shuttle]

Bruh the ROE is so generous in this game it’s ridiculous

[bitter mason]

I dont mind more slots and stuff, I actually quite liked gunfighter overhaul when I gave it a go despite being a little put off by the idea it just to make the game more shooty

[noble pasture]

no no, they sit in a corner and my "Search and secure" wont trigger

[pearl shuttle]

Punch them with the melee then

[bitter mason]

at that point use the restrain command on them specicially if they've already complied

[marble whale]

anyone else keep crashing after the new update?

[tacit gull]

And yet people complain about it still

[noble pasture]

they dont comply, sit in a dark corner making me lose the speed run

[tacit gull]

So tase them

[bitter mason]

like I said if they're not complying use less lethals

[noble pasture]

I have to find them, what part of they are hiding you dont get?

[pearl shuttle]

Then find them lmao

[marble whale]

does anyone elses game keep crashing after the new update?

[noble pasture]

I cant without checking every fucking room

[tacit gull]

So.... check the rooms?

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah that’s kind of the point of the game

[noble pasture]

no time

I need them to spawn in the hallway for fast surrenders

[tacit gull]

There's plenty, my best run on that casually with a lot of time waste is 6 minutes

[pearl shuttle]

Just remove the civvies with a mod

[pearl shuttle]

Would be nice to have some of the short stocking from Gunfighter without the other shit added in

[marble whale]

sooo is anyones game repeatedly crashing after the update?

[pearl shuttle]

No

Do you have any mods installed?

[marble whale]

mine crashes every other mission i play

[marble whale]

i have no mods and im playing on safe mode

[pearl shuttle]

Hmm

[marble whale]

ill try dx12 and see if that fixes it

[simple drum]

I capped my frame rate and used DX12 and it was a much smoother experience for me. I was freezing consistently on 23MB level before making those changes

[noble pasture]

Why didnt the game give me the achievement?

I had 5 minutes on the fucking dot, cant get it again

Bots struggle to do 2 orders at once

[exotic linden]

https://youtu.be/ZPG0G8UD0F0 https://youtu.be/gqBB-rf0UrY So much for UE 5.3

still waiting for a 4090 video but this will do for now

[noble pasture]

I am going insane

no one wants to help me and bots are dog shit. civies hide in some fuckoff room and dont even react to yells

I literally want to punch my officers for cloging the door when I clear a room

Or going into a room, guy who opens the door is also first

And they cant clear a fucking room without getting shot

[short hearth]

Phew, Meldonin achievement wasn't as troublesome as I expected, we got it second try.

I can see this being annoying to do solo though, would take a few attempts.

[frail pier]

Just found out its host dependent as well or something. I hosted and already have it but we kept getting time at like 3:40 with 2 people. He didn't get it until he hosted :/ but he got the achievement and I crashed at the letter score lol.

Which apparently is a known issue rn

[stark horizon]

is it possible to unbind the replay thing from "comma"

[stone bay]

Finally, I can go back to being not SWAT.

[short hearth]

Interesting, we all got it in my run, but achievements have been acting strange for me in general.

[frail pier]

It's probably just acting strange for some idfk

[wispy cypress]

ai are so broken

[short hearth]

Yeah, super easier nowadays.

[wispy cypress]

Easier?

@frail pier easier ai right..

[short hearth]

Yeah, I remember when I used to have to use AI mods to tone things down because you'd get some John Wick suspects. Haven't needed those in a while thankfully.

[frail pier]

300 ping though

[wispy cypress]

Lmao

[short hearth]

Maybe I just stopped sucking after all my hours played.

[frail pier]

I cant even use tazer on this ping haha

[short hearth]

Those little tweaks to AI over the last year have gone a long way.

I can't recall the last time I got one-tapped by AI anymore, been forever, they don't go straight for the face anymore it seems.

No more strafing at 200mph either.

[stone bay]

Vanilla AI is in a great spot now IMO. Ai mods are great for ratcheting up the difficulty or turning the game into a shootout for when you wanna go cod-brain. Otherwise the updates have been great on both the DLC and vanilla maps

[short hearth]

Yeah, never thought I'd see the day when vanilla AI was solid enough that I had no more needs for the mods.

[wispy cypress]

Ping doesnt matter, the AI is broken itself

same in solo, mfs wont surrender, kinda worse civs than 1.0

cant even bash them, they gonna run etc

[short hearth]

lol

[wispy cypress]

dorms ai is pathetic asf

got one punched to death by female civ

[short hearth]

Have you trying using tools to increase the chance of compliance?

[stone bay]

IDK, i’ve hosted folks across the country in public lobbies with vanilla AI and it’s been pretty alright. Dorms maybe could be a bit more surrender happy i guess but i think that’s a matter of personal taste. Maybe use No Crack for AI, Ready or Not Here I Come’s Roleplay AI, or Swat 4 AI overhaul for what you’re looking for

[short hearth]

They're mentally unstable homeless people.

They need a few volts of encouragement.

[stone bay]

9 bangs light em up and make em drop lol

[short hearth]

Beanbag shotgun, stun grenades, taser etc.

Make sure you got your boys with you for much easier compliance.

They don't respect if you're alone. Gotta bring the gang.

[frail pier]

right 400 ping now lol

Tazer is useless at that point. Point blank on someone standing and didnt register :/

[short hearth]

Yeah I can't give you advice on how to play on 400 ping, because my only advice would be "don't play on 400 ping". Sorry.

Why are you putting yourself through that? Do you live in Antarctica?

[frail pier]

No hes in EU im in US

[short hearth]

Oh, and you're both playing together?

[frail pier]

ye

[short hearth]

I'm amazed the game isn't just kicking you out with that ping.

[frail pier]

Suspects TP at times doors take 2 seconds to open ect

[stone bay]

Yikes.

[frail pier]

The ping is the raid boss here not the AI lol

[short hearth]

Suspects do still need some work of course. Not a fan of their eagle eyesight through partially visible objects, like that garden in Voll House for example. I have mixed feelings about them hearing me moving and pre-aiming at the doors, because on one hand yeah that's fair, on the other hand, I doubt anyone wants to shift-walk from door-to-door to maintain an element of surprise. Sometimes on client-side when an enemy takes a hostage, the enemy is invisible to clients, same with guns that need to be secured for evidence, only host can see them sometimes, though that's not really an AI issue.

[drifting sand]

Try the Post Office level before you make that statement.

[frail pier]

Lethal is fine but non lethal nah this shit sucks with high ping

[short hearth]

I think we can safely assume most people here have played every level, probably too many times.

[frail pier]

Neon tomb like 500 times lol

RoE violation on hostage. Fuck should've let you die I guess

[stone bay]

post office’s problem is the map design more so than the AI. Obviously not a dev, but as a layman it feels like the AI is able to get an alert status through small breaks in cover on the map that a real player isn’t going to normally register. No amount of AI tweaking given the current system would actually adjust that apart from just reducing the suspects alertness range/vision/hearing. Please feel free to correct me if i’m way off base.

[short hearth]

Was it RoN that not long ago had a dev blog all about suspects seeing through partial cover?

[drifting sand]

That IS an AI issue though; them being way too effective at range, having ESP, and being able to detect and shoot at mid-long range through tiny gaps.

What's worse, that last issue is one the devs talked a great deal about apparently solving.

[short hearth]

It's probably not exactly an AI issue, or a mixture of tweaking AI and how the cover in question can be seen through.

Here you go lads. https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/4210378060872317425?l=english

That should give some insight.

They've tried to address it to an extent, but obviously it still needs to be built further upon.

[stone bay]

I understand what you mean, i guess my point was that those issues don’t surface on most of the maps and it’s mainly a problem on post office, dorms, and farm.

[short hearth]

Post office is a big one due to the combination of longer sight lines and those trolleys for the packages / conveyors often letting the enemy spot and fire at you before you can do it to them.

[drifting sand]

Yeah

My point is more that they ARE problems, and significant ones at that; and these maps are going to be key to testing whether or not the problem has really been solved.

[noble pasture]

It's not 5 mins

[indigo gazelle]

Is the chemical formula (that of "SB 203580") drawn on the chalkboards in A Lethal Obsession just random or...?

[stone bay]

I've been meaning to ask why this game doesn't take into account that holding a gun and switching shoulders to face different bad angles requires exploring information

[noble pasture]

Because people don't change hands when shooting guns?

[tacit gull]

Correct, they change shoulders

But honestly speaking shoulder changing isn't necessary in the game

[wispy cypress]

few shots to the head from 1911

[astral warren]

The AI currently is a lot better, but there are still certain places, and sightlines in particular maps where the AI effectively has a 1 way mirror on you. You have no chance in hell of ever seeing them, but you're clear as day to them.

Also they seem to have lost the ability to feign death. I have not had any of them do that, so far.

I think developers should also calm the fuck down with the amount of obnoxious, visually obstructive, flashy, post processing effects. For instance, on streamer you can't see shit on the upper floor because of the giant ass god ray that keeps you from seeing ANYTHING from the stairwell.

The game can be pretty, just let me see the enemies while the game is pretty.

[wispy cypress]

The AI isn't bad but isn't very good either, u need so much effort to make them surrender, they can run from u for no reason, won't react to your shoutings. Sometimes mfs don't even do nothing, melee them won't help either.

[astral warren]

I've had a suspect get stuck in a closet on meth.

[wispy cypress]

i got one punched to death by a female civilian

[astral warren]

Civvies need to be 100% okay to shoot once they punch you, since apparently they're all Mike Tyson and can severely concuss a S.W.A.T. officer through a kevlar helmet.

Either that or just tone down the effect when they punch you, currently it's like eating a stinger grenade.

[wispy cypress]

this @frail pier guy got stabbed 50 times and then died

[astral warren]

Only 50 times? Wimp.

[frail pier]

Yeah I've never seen that but could've been caused by 400 plus ping. Dude kept slashing at me, caused a bleed and I died from bleeding out while staring at him lmaooo. Usually you die fast but his knife must've been dull🤣🤣

[astral warren]

I think once the AI is in a good spot, in order to keep the game from becoming stale, and to improve replayability, there should be a small chance for civvie and suspect models to be swapped, occasionally throwing the player for a loop, and make them have to actually check and see if they're holding a weapon instead of just identifying the model, seeing the animation only suspects can use, and then shooting them based off of that very gamey assumption.

[wispy cypress]

oh my fking god, how did that video got only 1 second of recording, i was recording like whole 20seconds when hustlerz got stabbed

ngl, sometimes ron won't record my sht

[astral warren]

They don't want you to show the world their hideous creation, they're ashamed and embarrassed.

Speaking of being stabbed 50 times, is the stab vest still larp or does it actually do something besides lie to the player about protecting them from melee and give them a few extra equipment slots?

[frail pier]

Nah I don't think so. You can survive I think 1 or 2 more slashes but that's it. But I didn't even have a stab vest lol. 400 ping better defense against knives I guess.

[jolly verge]

It's does not provide any protection

[wispy cypress]

ping does nothing, just delays the game

[frail pier]

Checks out

[jolly verge]

stab with knife deal 50 and just melee 25 damage

[frail pier]

Idk man I've played dorms a lot and never seen that shit happen. Dudes knife didn't do fuck all.

[wispy cypress]

my lobbies are cursed.

[astral warren]

Still? Bruh, change the name or give it stab protection. Stab protection would not be at all overpowered, and it's literally called a STAB VEST. Additionally, it would offer extra slots for equipment, in exchange for forgoing ballistic protection to the torso.

[frail pier]

Or that

[wispy cypress]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art w or l screens?

[astral warren]

Also, can we please, please get a unique damage curve for 7.62x39, and 10mm? They both suffer from the same problem, being identical in terms of effectiveness against targets when compared to their lower recoil counter parts (10mm is just .45ACP damage curve), making them effectively pointless to pick outside of larp. It also feels like a huge noob trap to have cartridges with different names, identical damage, and far worse recoil from the weapon it's used in. Same with kevlar, kevlar is a massive noob trap, because it's just useless tbh.

If devs didn't want to make more damage curves then don't add more cartridges.

I'm also wondering if the velocity system they have for firearms will ever be finished and implemented, because that alone would greatly diversify gunplay. There would now be a reason to not want the shortest barrel possible.

[wintry folio]

https://www.youtube.com/live/F-St1wXcJow?si=Wlz4dIsFxrV5G4e4

[long cipher]

i'd say u should at least be able to give them a shot but if they die u lose some points

like 1 shot to the hand or arm or other non critical area

[frail pier]

Lol is it me or civs spinbot more than ever....

Like it's actually comical how consistently I see it.

[wispy cypress]

ready for dorms s?

about to be easyyyy...
(gets stabbed again 50 times)

[frail pier]

I'll probably tank it again🤣

But I'm working on something. I'll be on later

[astral warren]

If you shoot someone with a gun you do it because you intend to kill them.

[wispy cypress]

how long

[frail pier]

Couple hours at most

[wispy cypress]

damn

[astral warren]

Also you know the game literally has an arterial bleed mechanic designed to discourage limb shots, right?

[frail pier]

^

[wispy cypress]

imma be sleepin frl, 22:28 rn, gotta go to my barber tmrw early

[astral warren]

I still can't get over the fact that slugs have a 10,000% bleed chance because somebody thought a field for a value of 0.0 - 1.0, 0 being 0% chance, and 1.0 being 100% chance, was actually supposed to be from 0 - 100.

[long cipher]

so if a civ in panic attacks u, u shoot them to kill?

[astral warren]

That is how the law would want it done.

Either they are a threat to me, which the game makes clear by giving every civillian Mike Tyson's fist, and causes me to nearly black out when they punch me, even through the helmet, or they aren't a threat to me, and I can shove them onto the ground.

[frail pier]

I feel like there's a huge difference between hitting once or twice vs beating the shit out of an officer until he's incapped or dead.

[long cipher]

that's true

[frail pier]

I could be wrong though I just play games