👮ron-discussion

[stone stump]

it's the case for every application

[remote wyvern]

the new maps are super hard ayo

[bronze sequoia]

My integrated stuff was hitting 30fps, I assume minimum requirements are for the average playable experience that everyone wants
I'm still seeing what games I can play until my replacement GPU arrives, ig RON is no longer playable

[bronze sequoia]

They also updated the AI so the AI may be a little harder also

[merry kindle]

What apu do you have?

[remote wyvern]

i have no problems with my 3060 honestly

[novel walrus]

Solitaire might work or Minesweeper

[remote wyvern]

i can't seem to finish a mission without having a civ killed by crossfire

[woeful egret]

1060 runs the game at about 45fp 1080p on medium post update lol

[bronze sequoia]

My 4070 ran it fine, but I currently dont have a gpu, just an AMD Ryzen 7 7700x processor

[woeful egret]

45-50ish**

[shy tulip]

Is it a stable 45 is my question

[woeful egret]

yes

[shy tulip]

Because it should be less stuttery on dx12

hell yeah

[bronze sequoia]

You'd be surprised what I've done to get games to run
I got Crime Boss: Rockayu City to hit a constant 60fps by running it in 480p with shadows and other effects turned off in the files lmao

[shy tulip]

idk man I'd go crazy

[woeful egret]

I used to get like 70 but with pretty frequent drops, now it's stable at about 50

[shy tulip]

I haven't done 480p since old youtube

Back when it looked like a small tv on the app store

[woeful egret]

somewhat prefer it tbh

[merry kindle]

That makes sense, it's not technically made for gaming w/o a GPU, the Radeon graphics on that chip only has 2 graphics cores

[native rune]

480p now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long, long time

[bronze sequoia]

Some games that do run well dont want to cooperate, they'll black out my monitor for a few seconds for no discernible reason

[mint falcon]

guys how do i shoot people in ready or not

[bronze sequoia]

Idk man, I was hitting 30fps on the lowest res and settings before the update

[novel walrus]

Alt + F4

[merry kindle]

Well ofc you'll be playable at lowest res and graphics setting

[woeful egret]

first you handcuff them

[mint falcon]

ah yes, worked, thank you

[merry kindle]

Could you even see anything

[bronze sequoia]

Yeah I've delt with worse
Crime Boss looked like a retro pixel game lmao
Cant play it anymore though, whatever they did with the new UE version killed the playability

[novel walrus]

When's the next update?

[shy tulip]

Soon™️

[merry kindle]

UE5 does not like old/underpowered hardware

[novel walrus]

Thats another year in VOID terms 😦

[merry kindle]

Valid tho, I used to run a Ryzen 2200g 💀

[bronze sequoia]

Let's not be too generous
1.5/2 years minimum

[bronze sequoia]

Damn how old is that, I havent heard of that one

[merry kindle]

2 yr then a month delay

[shy tulip]

Kaminsky said soon™️ as in very soon, I assume they're working on fixing whatever is causing some performance issues

[merry kindle]

First cpu/apu I ever built my PC w/, it was 4c/4t and "had" 2gb vram

Released in 2018

[novel walrus]

Real question though did you guys play more before 1.0 release or after?

[mint falcon]

657 days

[rose wadi]

I didn't buy until 1.0

[novel walrus]

I played this game a shit ton more before 1.0 because every map had like 5 scenarios

[woeful egret]

bruh don't remind me of what was lost

[merry kindle]

Need this for mp/practice mode

[woeful egret]

at least they re added the audio to the PD coffee machine, honestly the most game breaking issue with 1.0

[mint falcon]

yeah now you can order coffee in style

[woeful egret]

I remember bitching about that in this server like the day of release

I'm being dead serious that was one of my biggest issues with 1.0

[sand topaz]

ai is super easy compared to previous, and it feels like they added a boatload of plot armor to judge lol

[mint falcon]

judge coming to the precinct after the hospital mission and ordering a choccy

[woeful egret]

it was a ritual with my group every single raid pre 1.0 we HAD to have a coffee, I'm genuinely glad they fixed it

[visual frigate]

Anyone has an issue that game doest start after buying dlc and updating?

[mossy citrus]

Nope but the maps are not available in singleplayer

[placid crag]

I just get black screens lol

Took a few minutes to get on the menu, now its taking ages to continue my save at 100% loaded

[shy tulip]

Any number of things since that isn't specific enough

[shy tulip]

DX12 has increased load times while it caches the map, it will get better the more you play, it is loading the map so when you actually get in it stutters less if at all.

[visual frigate]

im trying to verify game files and then ill see, game worked before, but im pretty sure its an issue on my end

[sand topaz]

this is a bit of misinformation - they're not available in commander mode, but are available in practice mode

practice mode is still singleplayer last i checked

[mossy citrus]

Should have told us this was the case. And tbh DLC should be an all in type of deal.

[sterile yarrow]

why does the whole game need a 60 gig update if I dont own the dlc?

[mossy citrus]

You spend so much time working on it. I wanna see the story expanded. But that is just my opinion. Not here to start a fight over it. That is my feedback.

[sand topaz]

new engine

[merry kindle]

UE5 engine update

[sterile yarrow]

does that mean better graphics?

[mossy citrus]

Yeah that bit is just the engine.

[shy tulip]

New engine, and basically tweaking the entire game.

[sand topaz]

i get that, but it's different than "not available in singleplayer" - i agree it should be in commander mode too 🙂

[woeful egret]

engine upgrade, mostly just redownloading all the files you used to have lol

[mossy citrus]

gotchu

[woeful egret]

fuck you @shy tulip beat me to the answer

[sand topaz]

not so much, there are some performance issues that'll (hopefully) be hotfixed soon depending on your pc

[tropic turret]

after the new update is it better to play with dx11 or 12? where can i get better performances?

[shy tulip]

[shy tulip]

Dx11 will have stutters, dx12 will have longer load times, but less or no stutters.

[woeful egret]

how DARE you be helpful

[shy tulip]

If you have an older gpu, use 11, since they don't support pso anyway.

[bronze sequoia]

Massive update, and sometimes Steam decides to redownload the entire game instead of just the update stuff

[shy tulip]

(Idk which specifically I would say is an older gpu)

[tropic turret]

copy that thank you

[mint falcon]

hi mod what's 2+2=?

[shy tulip]

5

[mint falcon]

yes.

[tropic turret]

i have a 1660 super

[shy tulip]

You should be fine then to use 12, I believe

[mint falcon]

can i use 13?

[tropic turret]

before the update i always used dx12 so i'll try with that again

[novel walrus]

I miss the cracked Ai with 360 headshots

[shy tulip]

If you can find it yes

[novel walrus]

That shit was terrifying

[sand topaz]

unironically i do too - i'll get them back with a mod soon enough 🙂

[mint falcon]

did you guys know at the precinct you can find a "correctional" room where there is a inmate standing, and you can test on him various weapons?

[woeful egret]

yeah that's just my buddy eric

[mint falcon]

damn he can respawn

[sand topaz]

s p o o k y

[crisp rapids]

Why can’t I click on home invasion even tho I bought the dlc?

[shy tulip]

It is not playable in commander mode, go to practice mode

[gloomy thistle]

Why is it not on commander?

[shy tulip]

No clue

[rose bison]

hey anyone know what catagory in customization the balaclava is? or do i need to own dlc for that

[shy tulip]

It is in the base game, but it is only playable in MP as the echo character

[rose bison]

ok thats a little stupid

[split sun]

help RoN when I open it after the new update and it says "Corrupt data files found, Confirm installation" or something like that

[shy tulip]

Broken mods #❓modding-faq-archive

[split sun]

Yes I verified files pls help I want to play with flux raider :(

[split sun]

Oh fr? Ill unistall all of them and try thank you

[stone bay]

why did they do this lol

[shy tulip]

I already said no clue

[stone bay]

sob

[rare estuary]

Replay fix when

🇫🇲

[shy tulip]

I dunno the status on that one

[rare estuary]

Your profile is flashbang

[shy tulip]

I get that a lot

[rare estuary]

Yes

[patent moth]

holy shit konata

[west wharf]

Hmm okay starting to see the complaints being far more now. Getting a ton of random hitches and freezes. When it works it's fine but this ue5 update was Not Ready

[shy tulip]

What dx version are you using

[west wharf]

12

[shy tulip]

When is it freezing?

[waxen lily]

Guys does your resolution scale not work either?

[west wharf]

Randomly in missions. And it does absolutely fine before it too, rock steady frame rate until it just hitches and freezes

[patent moth]

I might be crazy but do the enemies in the new dlc have like higher level armor?

[astral warren]

I think MMMM has been updating the spreadsheet.

[shy tulip]

This is a known issue

[rare estuary]

Not in dorms

[shy tulip]

Can you be more specific to the map?

[waxen lily]

oh sorry mb

[west wharf]

I had to delete my saves and mods so i had to start over and dont have other maps unlocked, but the dorm maps in the dlc has done it constantly for the past 20 minutes.

[fading magnet]

Does anyone have the link to the balaclava mod for sp?

[raven schooner]

chat is there soft objectives on lawmaker

[rare estuary]

No

[raven schooner]

nice i got a clean run first try

[rare estuary]

Favourite map but sad that you can't open panic room

Also where is the second one

[uncut rivet]

Now that the first DLC is out, what's next for RoN? Is DLC 2 scheduled for Autumn or later, or is the old roadmap now discarded?

[rare estuary]

Since this one was pushed forward the next one I'd too

[shy tulip]

They want to try to still hit the OG timeline and not let this DLC push back DLC 2, so we'll have to see

[uncut rivet]

Yeah, I figured as such. I just wonder if there will be a 2025 roadmap, or more content updates in the future

[raven schooner]

in one of the bedroom closets

[signal cloud]

ey

[raven schooner]

idk if its the master bedroom but the one with the crazy bathroom next to it

[rare estuary]

Is it just a closed door?

[uncut rivet]

Is the DLC2 going to come out faster, since it seems that the engine update mist have taken more manpower away from content development

[shy tulip]

I can't speak for the devs on that

[raven schooner]

yeah just a metal door with a touchpad and logo

[rare estuary]

Boring

[uncut rivet]

Understandable

[urban shore]

should i get the dlc

[stone bay]

something im just starting to realize about ron is that void has done a very good job of making a few suspects feel like alot

i.e. when playing through narcos it felt like i was fighting a lot more than 9 suspects due to their placement & movement styles, having suspects taking pot shots at me through fences is definitely something

[naive wedge]

they just bum rush me as soonn as i reload like how the hell do they know im reloading

[stone bay]

they have ears, i rarely ever have to reload on missions tho

usually only once

[naive wedge]

yeah but they are in the house shooting at me while im behind a fence

[west wharf]

lol okay I have to say, the swat Ai seems quite good now. Got iced on the second dlc map and am spectating them, they're pretty damn fast and smooth

[naive wedge]

their ears arent that good

[stone bay]

bad luck i guess? you should just swap to your secondary until youre in a safe spot to reload

[naive wedge]

i personally still run without them since sometimes they tend to just shoot me in the back

[stone bay]

theyre still a little iffy since 4 of them will follow you into tiny rooms, but they're definitely very good at shooting and clearing. i think my biggest thing that i dont like is that if a suspect is halfway through crawling through a crevace, they'll just shoot the suspect

[gloomy thistle]

Is the dlc worth it if you only play solo/commander mode?

[shy tulip]

They're 3 fun levels, the AI worked pretty well with em when I played through briefly, up to you

[uncut rivet]

You can only play the missions in practice or multiplayer modes, not in Commander. Otherwise they seem to be really good missions for a fair price

[pearl shuttle]

I'm really liking the mansion map

Aside from my AI lighting up any hostages that get used as human shields

[shy tulip]

Eco terrorism moment

[wispy cypress]

im still downloading the update..

[solid totem]

Hey… is anyone else having an issue where their secondary slot is stuck as a mp7?

Or is that just a me problem for rn

[shy tulip]

Did you have mods before at any point

[solid totem]

Yes but all have been uninstalled before hand thru the game…

[shy tulip]

There are no in-game options to remove mods

Double check that you deleted all the files #❓modding-faq-archive, but it may just be as simple as changing to a normal weapon to fix it.

[shrewd oriole]

Ai is insane.

Cross map blasting me before I can even spot them like American sniper is the most annoying thing ever.

A lot of the new maps have low visibility, either that be for objects blocking your view or darkness. And they'll just ping you from 25 meters first shot.

It won't kill you, but it'll break some random body part.

[solid totem]

All thats in the pak folder is the 0-20. Ill try verifying the files again to see if it uhhhh fixes itself

[stone bay]

Switch to the default loadout

[west wharf]

Eh, I'm fine with the AI shooting dudes like that because the rules of engagement in RoN are kinda ridiculous. Once SWAT rolls in, realistically you are getting shot if you try to run away with a weapon or hesitate to put it down.

[solid totem]

Oh thats smart… why did i not think of that… (thats not sarcasm. I genuinely forgot default exists)

[glacial iris]

is there a way to disable the zoom in you get when you ADS now?

[shrewd oriole]

Its half the gameplay, half the challenge if you actually care to play the game.

[stone bay]

I did too. I had an issue where a modded loadout slot was saying 12/13 despite nothing being equipped and it fixed it.

[shrewd oriole]

Atleast its supposed to, every update the AI gets worse.

[pastel adder]

Yo. Is any of the three new guns worth trying to run or naw?

[west wharf]

I play the game in different ways at different times, but I like it more with real-life rules where SWAT doesn't stand around arguing with people in active crime scenes

[stone bay]

DM4 is 10/10

[pastel adder]

I like the concept of a pistol carbine but honestly I’m feelin like the stopping power is too little

[silk junco]

the recoil though

[fallen ivy]

Strange, my game was running just fine yesterday but today my frames are horrific, even at low graphics

[stone bay]

Don’t full auto it. Kek

[rare estuary]

When I play multiplayer alone my fps is good but practice and commander bad

[shrewd oriole]

No, not really. The Raider is a 9mm semi-auto only SMG, enough said, the PDW in 300BLK is good, but recoils like a small bomb is going off on your shoulder.

[wispy cypress]

what is "The Lost"

[silk junco]

i wasn’t!!

[shrewd oriole]

Dumb ARG shit.

[wispy cypress]

what is arg lol

[shrewd oriole]

Lore

[pastel adder]

Understood. Imma stick to the ARN and SA58 then

[stone bay]

to be fair when theyre halfway through a crevace in the wall they dont really pose a threat

[fallen ivy]

Puzzle shit

[stone bay]

[pastel adder]

Lore related puzzle things that extend outside of the game. Such as websites and the real world

[wispy cypress]

"Alternative Reality Game" aight

[fallen ivy]

Yes, for the lore people

[west wharf]

I mean, if they have a gun and are running away then they absolutely do pose a threat.

[wispy cypress]

so The Lilies Eyes exposing the lore..

[stone bay]

no i mean when theyre coming towards; if theres a suspect halfway through a crevace it occurs to me that they cant really shoot anything and it would make more sense to go hands on/not immediately drop them

[shrewd oriole]

Personally I'm going straight back to No crack suspect AI and hoping a patch comes out soon (Knowing Void It'll take a few months) To fix performance and the freezes. Insane for 50 dollars. (plus 10 for the dlc)

I only paid like, 20-30 when it was in beta, so I've only given void like, 30 bucks.

[west wharf]

Yea like, in game-programming terms they are in the middle of an animation but realistically it's somebody with a weapon running back into an active crime scene. That's a totally reasonable situation to shoot them

[hardy charm]

so do we have any reason given why the dlc is not available in commander mode? Or is that just cause someone in the office shrugged and said eh, who cares

[leaden warren]

devs just said "they probably wont notice" (not a direct quote)

[shrewd oriole]

Something something lore its like, 5 years after the main game or something

[leaden warren]

then just put a second tab in the mission selector like in practice mode??

[stone bay]

my theory; The DLC takes place in the time period during/directly after hurricane antonio hits los suenos. The campaign itself (although not obvious) follows a timeline to the exact date, which means that they cant just go into that timeline and say "Oh, by the way, a hurricane happened during this time."

[shrewd oriole]

If It was up to me to decide why they did it, probably to lazy to care enough to do it.

[hardy charm]

ah...cause the lore of the existing missions is not already scrambled cause it is sorted after percieved difficulty (and sucks at that) and not after lore

[shrewd oriole]

Tough luck, sadly, Its Void.

[leaden warren]

Yes this is confirmed, but still incredibly lazy to not just put it in a second tab in commander mode

[shrewd oriole]

Y'know, Void doesn't like people thinking about their game.

[leaden warren]

thats great because usually iont think

[stone bay]

the DLC drastically changes the interior of the station; please explain how that can coincide with the dynamic changes throughout the campaign

[hardy charm]

agreed, could have even given it a special name, call them something fancy like special missions and call it a day, everyone's happy

[shrewd oriole]

Void adds something, explodes the game by doing it, then says "oops we made a mistake" and releases a patch fixing half the bugs in a month or two

[stone bay]

*for some people

[shrewd oriole]

Suspect AI isn't broken for some people.

[stone bay]

the game didnt explode for everyone 🙏 thats why these bugs are so difficult for void to root out

[leaden warren]

"DLC: Home Invasion" or "Hurricane Antonio" would have been great names for the tab, but the devs were just lazy

[shrewd oriole]

You can say some people as much as you want buy the majority are having problems.

[stone bay]

source?

[hardy charm]

suspect ai works for me actually and my fps improved funnily enough, but their decision with the commander mode just makes me wanna dry heave and yell WHY loudly into my room

[shrewd oriole]

This discord for the past 24 hours

[west wharf]

Which is horse shit because in the last mission you can hear a soundbite of somebody talking about the recent missions.

[stone bay]

ive seen just as many people praising the update as shitting on it lmao

[leaden warren]

i went down from 200fps to 60 and my AI has aimbot now

[shrewd oriole]

If you've seen it then speak for it ig

[hardy charm]

agreed. or, add it as a mini campaign like many games with dlc story campaigns do

[leaden warren]

i mean yeah, its cool maps and dlc and all, but just not worth all the issues

[stone bay]

im still waiting for someone to explain how they'd make the drastic station changes that come with the dlc and the ingame maps also coincide with the changes that occur to the station throughout the campaign

[shrewd oriole]

Simple; they won't.

[stone bay]

what issues 😭 the DLC and engine change are two separate things, even if there wasnt a DLC the game still wouldve swapped to UE5

[hardy charm]

oof that sucks. I went from 140 with dips to 50 (super weird ones at that) and a short stutter after c2 to smooth 150...sounds like driver fuck ups man.

[shrewd oriole]

Time to download No crack AI again.

[leaden warren]

They dont even have to put in a second tab, they could just make a text under the campaign "5 years later" and put all the missions under it"

[leaden warren]

Time to download no Ai Squadmates again

[hardy charm]

true, I like the lazy way you think, sorry you are fired for being overly qualified

[stone bay]

once again the dlc causes drastic changes to the station that wouldnt work very well with the campaign station

[shrewd oriole]

Time to uninstall Ready or not again

[leaden warren]

Ill keep it just because there will be a patch in 5 months that fixes fps and things

[visual frigate]

<@&925148041126760529> RON doesnt start up after DLC bought and game updated, tried safe mode, dx11, dx12, verifying files and reinstall, any ideas?

[stone bay]

i dont understand why people are so whiny about it not being in commander mode

[candid ridge]

did the update mess with the settings? resettled all gameplay setings to default for me

[shrewd oriole]

(Hopefully) Fixes that, introduced a few random bugs

[hardy charm]

tbf, does anyone really care for the station? There's three interesting bits there, the shooting range, the tutorial range, and that's it, so make that two

[west wharf]

I have no idea where this "5 years" comes from. In the last dlc mission you can play a soundbite from a voice talking about a bunch of missions in the pre-DLC game as though they were ongoing

[stone bay]

that doesnt invalidate my point lol

[shrewd oriole]

Because Commander mode is supposed to be the default "story" mode for RoN, people have bought this game for the story mode.

[hardy charm]

cause I like suffering through Ironman campaigns with all my payed content

[shy tulip]

Do not ping the entire moderation team, the majority of us do not touch tech issues. Go read #💻tech-support

[leaden warren]

í dont know where it comes from either, i just picked it up

[stone bay]

and the dlc occurs in a separate storyline

[shrewd oriole]

So put it in a seperate tab

[leaden warren]

Yeah

[stone bay]

it is in a separate tab :<

[shrewd oriole]

Not in commander mode.

[leaden warren]

not in commander mode.

[hardy charm]

then add it as a seperate commander mode tab in which I can dick around in with my little toy soldiers

[stone bay]

womp womp ig? commander mode is centered around the main ready or not storyline, the dlc isnt

[west wharf]

Except it really isn't a separate timeline according to that soundbite. It could just be after the last mission

[leaden warren]

Well fuck you then, put the missions in the main story!!!

[stone bay]

oh no void made a continuity error whatever will we doooooooooooooo

[hardy charm]

hell with the weather of the last mission, they could have just added them in as missions happening directly after

[solid totem]

I had to switch characters from self to bravo. For some reason my self character is just broken

[stone bay]

what even is your source for this 5 years thing anyways

[leaden warren]

I can only forgive void if i can play as a Machine gunner or sniper in the next patch

[west wharf]

I think a reddit post lmao

[stone bay]

r u serious

[shrewd oriole]

Commander mode is centered around the story of RoN, people have bought this game for Commander mode, they should expect to be able to play the DLC they bought in the mode they want to play.

[hardy charm]

every big mag smg is a machine gun, if you are closing your eyes and only listen to the dakka

[stone bay]

theres no swat team ive ever seen that has access to LMGs (assuming thats what you mean), sniper missions could be interesting but i feel like they deviate from the main premise

[gaunt gale]

Please don't ping the moderation team for that, but please provide your specs in #💻tech-support

[stone bay]

commander mode rlly isnt even that deep 😂 its just procedurally unlocking missions

[coarse osprey]

Please dont ping us for something not urgent and not moderation related

[visual frigate]

i apologize, will do.

[shrewd oriole]

Never said it was. People still only play it.

[stone bay]

like cool you get some little perks but theres no actual player->character connection w/ your squad

therefore i really dont see the big deal

[leaden warren]

BORTAC uses a LMG and a full ass grenade launcher

[pallid zephyr]

where are the balaclavas

[stone bay]

bortac is a little different lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Some people only play commander mode, its not a problem for YOU.

[hardy charm]

hey man, some people like playing the game solo, with iron man, and make up their own little head cannon with the brain free manequinns I dressed up and send in a room with a trap, and those got shafted.

[hard flower]

becuase its main single player mode. Thats why its a big deal

[viral bone]

Look for ECHO named cahracters

[leaden warren]

Its in the game as an armor and thereby canon

[stone bay]

you do know ironman is just a set of guidelines that you can follow on your own right

[leaden warren]

MP and Practice only. Select any ECHO character

[shrewd oriole]

Not everyone wants to do that

[stone bay]

this is stupid btw i dont understand why they did that

[leaden warren]

me neither, time to download a mod from ballistic again

[shrewd oriole]

Nope, not available in practice btw.

[stone bay]

thats the same shit they did w/ the EA characters before they even had character customization

[viral bone]

Who knows, maybe it's hassle to make it

[leaden warren]

thats even stupidier. I wont play practice nor the DLC until theres a mod that adds all the content to commander

[shrewd oriole]

Void being lazy

[stone bay]

its no different than the helmets

[leaden warren]

If they can put it in multiplayer they can put it in singleplayer

[hardy charm]

a) I know myself well enough to know that I will at some point fold and save scum, b) it's nice to come out of a mission, and one of your dudes miracously didn't die but just got incapacitated, makes for great head cannon

[viral bone]

I mean I waited for balaclavas too and this method is okay if all characters had the balaclava version not just 3

[shrewd oriole]

Spent multiple months pushing this, I'd expect it to be clean and put together. Its like they, didn't even test it?

[leaden warren]

They should have an option in the top right to toggle balaclava

[stone bay]

voids QA team is NOT it ill give you that

[shrewd oriole]

its non-existent, as proven from 1.0

[viral bone]

how did modders add balaclava easily...?

[shrewd oriole]

because its not that hard.

[stone bay]

i think in the case of 1.0 they were so focused on content that they forgot to actually test it; im still peeved that a majority of the teased mocap animations arent ingame yet

[hardy charm]

Or that most combinations of clothing and armour still clip into one another....small details matter for an immersive game

[viral bone]

Also still, lots of clothes clip

[shrewd oriole]

Neither are most other major features promised in some dev logs.

[stone bay]

btw anyone remember the fast food concept from way back before ADAM

[leaden warren]

whats weird in my opinion is that we have no female characters in the main game even tho theyre in roughly 34% of swat teams

[viral bone]

did they says there would be ?

[stone bay]

void said theyre working on this i believe

[hardy charm]

yeah that one was interesting

[leaden warren]

i remember the concept for the LMG.... (M42 or something like that)

[stone bay]

i was kinda excited for it; hoping it would be something kinda like in breaking bad where something is hidden in the basement

if void adds an LMG ill uninstall lowkey

[leaden warren]

shit looked horriblel, let me look if i find it again

[shrewd oriole]

And was swiftly deleted off the face of the earth when Void realized it was an actually simple map only featuring one house (People have been begging for a simple house for how long)

[hardy charm]

or in a second building, you go in there for like a robbery gone wrong, clear the area and go like wait, why are there three armed dudes in that warehouse over there?

[leaden warren]

there was a relativley good mod for it before the patch tbh

[shrewd oriole]

Lowkey, just don't use it?

[leaden warren]

i mean LMGs are in game alredy technically since suspects on ides of march use them im pretty sure

[stone bay]

canon states that we're the LSPD swat team not BORTAC nor the US army rangers

[hardy charm]

yeah they use some, in hipfire of all things

[leaden warren]

spray and pray ahhh suspects

[west wharf]

Yea lmao I don't think I've seen anything official. Just a post on reddit Ron

[tranquil swallow]

narcos is such a good map

[shrewd oriole]

So play as them, you said yourself that you can just empose restrictions onto yourself instead of the game doing it for you.

[tranquil swallow]

what is your favourite map in this DLC? mine is Narcos

[leaden warren]

my fav map from dlc by looks is definetly the mansion one (idk the name i wont play it until patch)

[shrewd oriole]

You're gonna be waiting

[hardy charm]

german SEK and GSG use the HK21/G8 which is an LMG sooo

[tranquil swallow]

although they are all really well done

[hardy charm]

my favourite type of suspect

[leaden warren]

Bortac is in game as said, so why cant we have an LMG from the BORTAC assault team?

[shrewd oriole]

Also, canonically the Local LSPD SWAT includes the FBI and HRT, and yes Bortac on specific missions

[leaden warren]

Right, remember that one from my Rainbow 6 peak with iQ

[stone bay]

no it doesnt 😭 HRT is active in los suenos but they arent one in the same

[leaden warren]

nvm thats the G8A1

[shrewd oriole]

Multiple missions directly state HRT is working directly with SWAT

[stone bay]

working with not one in the same

[hardy charm]

same gun, different variant

[shrewd oriole]

Also, a helmet has a HRT logo on it, AND, One vest has the ingame FBI (FISA) on it.

[leaden warren]

Greased Palms for example. Listen to the mission briefing

[shrewd oriole]

Didn't say they were one in the same. They are intertwined however.

[leaden warren]

lets not forget about the BORTAC plate carrier

[stone bay]

you literally said they included it

saying "SWAT includes HRT" implies that theyre one in the same

[shrewd oriole]

Yes, but if you can read in-between the lines its pretty clear that they aren't literally the same thing.

[stone bay]

reminder that this entire argument is centered around you wanting a broken gun

[vivid crescent]

We really need the ability to "unequip" armor so it auto-swaps depending on light/heavy.

Once you assign a specific armor you want, you can't stop it.

[fading magnet]

Should I be doing dx11 or dx12?

[shrewd oriole]

Never said I wanted it actually, just said that they do work with SWAT. (In game)

[leaden warren]

We have armor presets now so not really necesarry

[near viper]

Is there any real reason there are no balaclavas in single player?

[shrewd oriole]

No, funny devs.

[leaden warren]

Lazy devs

[vivid crescent]

By default, you have no "selected" armor so light/heavy use the default armor types

Once you select an unlockable armor, you can't go back to this auto system.

[near viper]

💩

[leaden warren]

oh didnt know that, would be an "easy change" for the hard working devs at void

[shrewd oriole]

Hard working

[near viper]

I love this game but some of the decisions the devs make... adding balaclavas in single player surely takes 0.01seconds if they're already in the game

[leaden warren]

tried to make it big uppercase but doesnt let me because it blocks my message... oh well then

[hardy charm]

let's call it as it is, some of their decisions are stupid, and squander lots of good will combined

[vivid crescent]

Yeah having to play judge in practice mode makes no sense, same with entirely removing alternative gametypes for maps.

[leaden warren]

modders can do it in 2 days, why cant a full fucking studio do it in 1?

[shrewd oriole]

Maybe the game really is held together with hopes and prayers, but 5 days (almost a full week) after 1.0 to have a single patch for 1.0 was already bad, this, is worse.

[vivid crescent]

Sure, remove them for career but why the heck remove them from every other mode?

[shrewd oriole]

Uhhhhhh, AI mods (most)

[near viper]

visceral blood said it was updated today but I'm not 100% sure

[leaden warren]

i love no teammate ai mod, its such a hard but rewaring mode

[shrewd oriole]

I like commanding my little minions into success ngl

[leaden warren]

yes its updated, works great, looks even better with lumen on

[shrewd oriole]

I, this might be amazing for people, enjoyed commander mode (right after I got an AI mod)

[leaden warren]

Banana? BANANA! shoots civilian

[near viper]

it's truly baffling there's no reason for them to do this, we're not exactly asking for much here

[leaden warren]

bare minimum ask, actually add the content you promised

[shrewd oriole]

VOID has been tweaking their AI for years, Its never been great, but this isn't good.

[leaden warren]

Ai is either dogshit dumb or aimbot cracked, so id rather have dumb officers than ones that make me get an easy S

[near viper]

This is one of my favourite games but it's frustrating because it seems like with just a bit more effort it could be so much better

[shrewd oriole]

Bare minimum to ask: A polished, working game with all major promised features (RoN cost 50$ btw)

[ionic gale]

Something I would like to imagine is that what if this was a bigger studio or even a AAA studio

[leaden warren]

Fr. This game has so much potential, especially with the modding community, but somehow VOID can fuck up the simplest things

[shrewd oriole]

Engine change

[ionic gale]

Of course due to AAA studio’s track record it would probably become just a greed fest

[shrewd oriole]

I bought it for like, 20 back in beta.

[sick pebble]

The choices this dev team makes are just baffling. After years of people asking, why are balaclavas hidden at the bottom of identities instead of just a face item? This is stuff modders took care of inside of a week after 1.0. And removing the battery pack from the PVS-31 because it clipped with some of the new helmets? The GPNVG has the battery pack still, and looks great with the LSPD helmet. Why not just have every helmet have the battery pack, or none of them? It's just wacky. And the new DLC helmets are missing cameras...just really baffling lack of attention and logic to some of this stuff.

[leaden warren]

new engine, new models and new textures. Ask ballisticstudios (actually dont, theyre 100% annoyed by us) how hard modding in custom files is

[leaden warren]

this mod community is awesome but currently being fucked by the devs

[near viper]

Sadly true, no matter what happens we the players are screwed unless void actually starts doing more than the bare minimum

[shrewd oriole]

Modders are one of the few reasons this game is still surviving after the grand update drought when it was broken and unpolished post 1.0

1.0 was when Void absolutely imploded RoN, breaking everything and then barely fixing it.

[hushed meadow]

Balaclavas are only avaliable in multi-player mode? Are we fucking serious Void????

[leaden warren]

modders built this community brick by brick just for VOID to shoot a High Explosive 380mm round at it

[shrewd oriole]

Known issues could be a laundry list if I'd be honest.

[near viper]

Isn't it mods made the game not only that much more immersive with so many cosmetics, but the maps kept me playing for even longer

[near viper]

i know 😦

[leaden warren]

i will send a IRL mail to VOID studious with a real fucking clipboard with all the issues on it

[leaden warren]

Are you seriously fucking us VOID???**

[shrewd oriole]

Try to send them the mail of some artists and Writers to fix the AI generated pictures and subtitles, too.

[near viper]

Not adding balaclavas when the model already exists in game and has been implemented perfectly by modders time and time again is insane

[leaden warren]

i think its funny for small things like on the screen in 23GB a second where it says "shooty mc shoot shoot review" but subtitles?? seriously??

[shrewd oriole]

Subtitles are majorly borked, and its messed up to not have a basic accessibility setting actually working.

[leaden warren]

theres also a setting in the options for item selection type where it says list or wheel... THIS CHANGES NOTHIGN ABOUT ITEM SELECTION VOID

[prime wing]

Thats quite a hyperbole. Cosmetics isn’t necessarily changing the issues with the games. Having the options for more customization and quality assets where authors dont have to worry about commercial rights its one thing; making the game better is a whole different thing. But I understand where you are coming from

[near viper]

doesn't look very visceral to me

[leaden warren]

This is the same situation as with minecraft (kinda) where the community wouldve died in 2018 already without mods

[shrewd oriole]

First issue; moderator, second, Eh, I'd say that the drought of maps was fixed mostly by the modders.

[stone bay]

saying mods are biased is insane when there are mods here who literally only talk shit about ron

[shrewd oriole]

I didn't say they were biased, I just said they're a mod

[leaden warren]

John or Not?!?! is it truly you!?!?!?

[shy tulip]

RoN is not live service, if you expect that Void is ever gonna keep up with a community of modders (with varying levels of quality of maps), you don't have realistic expectations.

[stone bay]

explain what that has to do with anything

[shrewd oriole]

Moderator.

[hushed meadow]

Sooo I can't use the new weapons in practice mode? Only in multi-player?

[vivid crescent]

Somehow suspects are dyying despite my team entirely using pepperball guns in Dorms now.

[stone bay]

point is?

[shrewd oriole]

Mod.

[leaden warren]

@vivid crescent yep. It either kills the supsect now or it doesnt even stun them from what ive noticed + AI starts shooting at them too if you shoot with pepperball or beanbag

[stone bay]

so youre just talking shit to talk shit now im guessing

[near viper]

I agree with that to an extent, usually in games cosmetics are just an extra, but in ready or not it adds so much more to the experience. The game would feel so much better in every way if void gave us loads more cosmetics, and I'm not saying its easy but surely it wouldn't be too hard for them to do that

[balmy moth]

nah you can just not in campaign to my knowledge I have yet to test this though

[shrewd oriole]

No, they're a mod

[shy tulip]

They're working on patches related to performance for next update, so not sure what you mean

[stone bay]

👏 what 👏 is 👏 your 👏 point 👏

[hushed meadow]

If its not a live service why was this update only catered to multi-player?

[vivid crescent]

Great, they messed the weapon you're supposed to get S-ranks with.

[shy tulip]

It is playable both in singleplayer and multiplayer, select practice mode

[leaden warren]

i just run with no mercy for terrorists mod where you dont get penaltys for killing ppl

[shrewd oriole]

Clearly you don't having the 4k ultra HD thinking to understand me

[stone bay]

no youre just refusing to admit that your saying that so you can accuse him of bias

[shrewd oriole]

No, I don't think hes biased at all

[stone bay]

then explain your point lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Mod.

[shy tulip]

I don't think you quite understand what live service means. And things break during updates, that is a sad reality of game development, always has been, always will be.

[stone bay]

cool i guess

[ionic gale]

You should be able to

[shrewd oriole]

50 dollars for this game btw if you can't test an update don't release it

[crude prism]

fortnite

[vivid crescent]

You can use them in practice.

[stone bay]

do you think the discord server moderator has any say in that lmao 😂 the more you speak the less im inclined to read your messages

[sick pebble]

Moderator detected; opinion ignored.

[shrewd oriole]

Literal essay typed out

[stone bay]

Games as a service (GaaS)
Also known as live service games or living games, this business model involves providing video games or game content on a continuing revenue model. Publishers plan to continue providing new content, usually sold to players at incremental rates, to keep players interested and sell them recurring content. This model is similar to software as a service (SaaS), which is used to sell recurring subscriptions to products like Microsoft Office and Adobe Photoshop.

[shrewd oriole]

I don't think they do, Its a counter point.

[shell zealot]

I just played Ready or Not.. I can say it's very fun to find a civilian after 30 minutes and then not be greeted with "Would you like to end mission?" But rather "arrest or neutralise a.."

[ionic gale]

Honestly, live service games have been tarnished

[near viper]

Things can break in an update for any game true, but sadly with ready or not we expect for major parts of the game to break with every update and that's not normal

[ionic gale]

I’m not a outting void or saying that they are one of these developers, but many developers use the excuse of early access or a life service to give bare minimum content and just giving people hope that the game will have more content

[shrewd oriole]

TF2 as a live service game

was

[ionic gale]

Life service has been abused by many publishers and developers who just bring out half assed products and expecting people to just wait until it gets better

[vivid crescent]

Uhhh I think it's important to note:
TF2 was not released as a live-service game initially.

It released Complete, Valve just decided to keep adding things.

[ionic gale]

Live service can work for games and I think it’s something important for lots of games but if you don’t execute it right, you’re gonna join the band wagon with rest of the shitty publishers and developers dat are just pushing it out for the release date without it actually being completed

[shrewd oriole]

Okay, so if the point of the game not receiving major updates after 1.0 is true, then what the hell happen at 1.0? If this is true then 1.0 has absolutely no ground to stand on.

[vivid crescent]

There is imo a big difference between releasing a "full" game that you keep updating.

And then a game where you release something incomplete that you promise to fix up/add more to later.

[vivid crescent]

Yeah every game gets patches after 1.0 lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Almost all yes, but the game is still broken.

[near viper]

Guys stop complaining we got a fancy new red mouse pointer in this update what more do we want

[ionic gale]

Frankly, it’s a good idea to have games that will get a lot of content after release

[shrewd oriole]

True!!!

[ionic gale]

Back then, lots of games were released, and you can really do anything to really improve upon them

[vivid crescent]

Yeah but some games release with enough stuff that the player base is happy with just that/only a few additions.

Then you have games that blatantly release unfinished and use GAAS as basically glorified beta.

[crude prism]

I'm sorry, is CSGO a live service game?????? Are y'all smoking crack?

[ionic gale]

If the developers fucked it up then you just have to wait until they release another thing and that changed in the 2000s

[shrewd oriole]

That spent 1 week of voids time to implement that mouse cursor btw

[near viper]

That's all we ever wanted (tbh I really like the new pointer but if they added that they could've added the balaclavas to single player)

[vivid crescent]

Counter Strike 2 definitely is lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Its a VALVE live service game.

[vivid crescent]

Thank god I hated GO

[crude prism]

Let me know when CSGO adds content and isn't just shuffling maps through a comp rotation while people play out the same maps/strats/lineups that they've been doing for 20 years

[gleaming fable]

they removed the piss filter now the game looks a little bit more natural. thanks void.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, from my understanding, live service has been used as an excuse for half assed products

[wind raven]

This shit runs worse than the slav jank that is Tarkov

[ionic gale]

It shouldn’t have to be this way and it sucks that the name has been tarnished by incompetent developers in publishers, pushing bullshit out there

[shrewd oriole]

Beautiful

[vivid crescent]

Nah it's replaced by Counter-Strike 2, which has far less content and higher requirements, thanks Valve.

[shrewd oriole]

This took like, 3 months to release btw

[vivid crescent]

Just make Counter-Strike Condition Zero Deleted Scenes 2 ffs

[surreal crest]

still ridiculous how Assassins Creed went from a single player story game to a live service somehow

[shrewd oriole]

True ✅

[vivid crescent]

Trying to S-rank dorms is hell

[gleaming fable]

ubishit gotta milk its fans some way

[near viper]

saddest downfall of the century

[shrewd oriole]

Simple actually, it makes more money.

[gleaming fable]

imagine making your game super grindy then have the balls to sell you xp boosts. lmaooo

[vivid crescent]

Pepperball is somehow killing suspects or they're offing themselves in quiet ways that I don't hear because I turned a corner in 5 seconds since they were through a wall.

[shrewd oriole]

No, not really.

[stable crown]

i need the last achievment for the new DLC... 5 min for Dorms? the map have so many rooms an angles

[surreal crest]

R6 Siege used to be my guilty pleasure then they started squeezing more money out of it and making it more "anime" with the gadgets

[ionic gale]

The problem with live service is that too many games are utilizing it

It doesn’t make sense for a single player story game so I don’t know why it’s there, it would make sense for a multiplayer type game that is getting updates

[vivid crescent]

Means you don't have to develop a full game, develop part of it and promise to fix it later.

[near viper]

exactly and the whole thing of having to have internet access for single player games is insane

[crude prism]

Bro pepperballed the suspect with asthma... yikes... see you in court bro

[shrewd oriole]

Live service is an excuse to make a half-assed game then pass it off as "being updated in the future" the old idea of releasing one really good game a year or two then never really updating it again worked in the 2000s, but this makes more money.

[ionic gale]

You should have a good product at launch

[surreal crest]

the amount of live service games that have died this year alone says alot.

[vivid crescent]

Sadly big companies don't see it that way and release games that make current RON look fully finished.

[ionic gale]

Make sure that the product at launch makes me think about if I actually want to commit my time into this game and I feel like that live service can be executed well. it’s just many games don’t do that

[vivid crescent]

I like RON but all the guns you can't use in the police armory, removal of modes and abrupt career m,ode ending make this feel like glorified EA.

You can't even check your "personal best" score on maps.

[shrewd oriole]

In my humble opinion; All games should be in a stable and (majortivly) bug free, with all major content promised to the players on release

To be fair one of my favorite games is Fallout: NV so Ig I can't talk.

[surreal crest]

Fallout NV was also made in like 18 months so credit where credit is due

[shrewd oriole]

True enough.

[ionic gale]

You’re not wrong

I don’t like those people who say that “games were better when they were never updated”

[burnt quarry]

Hey, i saw that Ready or Not has Steam Achievements.
There is the Achievement Way out West - Complete Coyote using only .357 Magnum as a Weapon.

I used the .357 Magnum and got an A on the Map. But didnt got the Achievement.
I started Ready or Not in No Mods Mode in the hope that there are no Mods at all.
Is this a Bug or did i do something wrong?

[surreal crest]

just dont play NV on the PS3 XD

[ionic gale]

Like it’s not bad to basically have a live service or anything similar like that, it’s just that you need to actually do it properly and have a lot of content that launch to justify me jumping into your product

[shrewd oriole]

To be fair I think like that a lot but my entire opinion is based of Half-Life 2 raising the bar so, I can't talk.

[vivid crescent]

I'm 50/50, some games get to take advantage of it but back then there was more of a push to have something "finished" otu the door.

[shrewd oriole]

book

[vivid crescent]

Like it is naive IMO to not see how "release broken/unfinished and patch later" has become more of a thing.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, definitely times have changed from the PlayStation one to Xbox 360 era

[vivid crescent]

Ideally, we'd be getting finished games that then get patched for any exploits/additions.

[shrewd oriole]

We've gone to a point in history where gamers can say "back in my day" about game releases

[vivid crescent]

Oh wow you can actually see your grade now in Career mode!

[ionic gale]

I’m not a naïve idiot, I do see the problems with this game and it does make me mad with the decisions that they make

[sharp fox]

why arent you a naive idiot

[ionic gale]

bc I like Froot Loops

[sharp fox]

fair

[vivid crescent]

I like RON and think it's got good potential but I definitely think 1.0 is just "More finished EA."

[ionic gale]

I don’t know why they did not add the balaclava as a cosmetic item

[vivid crescent]

I really hope Void gets their stuff together because RON is a good game but the fact we have so many removed game modes and weapons is just flatout terrible.

[ionic gale]

I hope it’s just a placeholder for now, and it gets moved to the cosmetic slot soon tho

[shrewd oriole]

RoN had I think around 4 (I'm probably wrong) years in development, with about 2 actually sent directly to PvE as it stands. In that time there were millions of hours of bug testing from devs and modders. This all culminated in perhaps the worst decision on Voids part, to smash down the 1.0 release in time for christmas.

[vivid crescent]

Literally all of the guns I've wanted to use from RON's early trailers were made suspect only (MPL)

[shrewd oriole]

And bugs.

[vivid crescent]

M14 could easily be a DMR like the one we already have and with an "old" and "modern" version like the 1911

[gleaming fable]

yes, i too would like a proper M14 in game

[ionic gale]

I wasn’t around for the game during the alpha or beta phase

[vivid crescent]

Also what happened to the officers in Carrier of the Vine?

[stone bay]

6 years, its been indev since 2018

[crude prism]

Them private investors do be private investing the direction and timetables

[ionic gale]

I seen videos about the old PVP mode and how the game looked backed in, but I bought the game in early access like last year or so

This game is my most played on Steam so I mean like that should be a testament on how much I enjoy it

[shrewd oriole]

The devil created 2 things, sin, and investors.

[crude prism]

we... we don't talk about the old PvP days

[ionic gale]

The Russianbadger made a video on that, and it looked above goofy, but also buggy as hell

[sullen quarry]

Everytime i launch RoN either DirectX11 or 12 It says my files are corrupted, currently im running no active mods yet for some reason launching the vanilla version works fine??

[ionic gale]

I wonder when they will be added back one day if it even does come back

[shrewd oriole]

If our Swat team can have a tacti-fucked AK-SU and a LVAW, why can't we have an M14 or an AKM.

[sullen quarry]

By vanilla, i mean the Safe Mode ver

[ionic gale]

it looks like that many thought that the game was going to be a siege ripoff, but it turned into an actual PVE tactical shooter, which, obviously if they don’t want to PVP mode and completely dedicate our time to the PVE I think that would be reasonable.

[vivid crescent]

I know cuffing players prevented them respawning which seems like a really bad idea.

Just copy SWAT 4 where it count as 5 kills.

[bright acorn]

just replayed this old build for the fun and yeah, it look goofy, especially with the sprint

[crude prism]

They've insisted many times that yes, PvP is still coming.

Time frame? Who fucking knows 🤷

[shrewd oriole]

Whenever they feel like it

[ionic gale]

They need to get their shite together with the PVE before trying anything with PVP I would say

[crude prism]

Ideally I want them to spend a lot of time on it, even if it's not exactly what I want for RoN

[vivid crescent]

Also is it just me or is SWAT AI immune to tear gas even without a mask?

[stone bay]

theyve said PVP is on the absolute backburner

[shrewd oriole]

Its not something I care about at all for RoN, but if they add it, I don't want it to be half baked.

[ionic gale]

Wdym :o

[crude prism]

Ayup. Probably be best for it to be a separate download, or.. something.

I'm very worried about them trying to mix mods with official Void hosted servers/etc/etc/etc

Game still doesn't have anticheat (because it doesn't need it, yet)

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it’s a PVE game that doesn’t really really need anti-cheats since it’s not a hard-core competitive PVP game

[burnt quarry]

Hey, i saw that Ready or Not has Steam Achievements.
There is the Achievement Way out West - Complete Coyote using only .357 Magnum as a Weapon.

I used the .357 Magnum and got an A on the Map. But didnt got the Achievement.
I started Ready or Not in No Mods Mode in the hope that there are no Mods at all.
Is this a Bug or did i do something wrong?

[shrewd oriole]

A seperate download with seperate servers would be the bare minimum honestly, people don't want Void to take away mods.

[ionic gale]

The game uses P2P to host lobbies right?

[ionic gale]

Maybe it can even make it as an entirely different game that would be completely separate from the main PVE aspect, which I’m guessing that is what you guys are suggesting?

[crude prism]

Unless Void makes it ONLY community hosted, but then, they can't really direct the way that the PvP goes if they plan on having some kind of continuing content cycle for it

[ionic gale]

Like a separate Steam game

[shrewd oriole]

I mean more so something like a different branch, like both Ready Or Not and then Ready or Not: PVP

Similar to how games make public testing branches like Squad.

[ionic gale]

Does Void have dedicated servers for the game or is the game strictly P2P?

[prime wing]

P2p

[ionic gale]

Ah I figured

I understand the concept of peer to peer but I don’t know the specifics of it

[sharp sparrow]

Were you on SP or MP?

[ionic gale]

I know that it’s used for sharing around files and stuff like that in a non-video game context

[shrewd oriole]

P2P connects using the World Wide Web between 2 (or more) systems

[burnt quarry]

MP

[prime wing]

Aka no need to pay for or maintain servers

[ionic gale]

And dedicated servers are basically like servers that void would host?

[sharp sparrow]

Achievements don’t work in MP

[shy tulip]

Yes

[prime wing]

Yup, or they pay to host them

[shrewd oriole]

Yes, a singular system that people connect to instead of connecting to other users.

[burnt quarry]

Ok Thanks. Than thats my fault

[ionic gale]

I heard that P2P is subject to how good the host connection is and how it can be semi-exploited, but idk

[shy tulip]

Hence why it would make it impossible (or very, very hard) for people to run mods in PVP.

There's a reason why Arma is basically all community servers

[shrewd oriole]

All connections are exploitable to an extent.

[ionic gale]

I heard of GTA online’s P2P servers not being the best but yee

[shy tulip]

That's becaeuse Rockstar are idiots who don't do the bare minimum to protect their users

RoN runs p2p through Steams encryption

[sharp sparrow]

Hopefully they allow Achievements one day, would be fun to do the challenge runs with friends.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, anything technology related has some exploit, people who say that “mAc nU gET VirUSez” or something similar was dropped as a child

[ionic gale]

So I’m guessing it’s much more safer

[shy tulip]

Yes

You won't see people grabbing your ip from RoN

[burnt quarry]

Does the Same Count for SWAT AI? Example: I let the Swat AI go in with MK 18 but i need to complete the Map with .357 Magnum. Do i get the Achievement or not

[shrewd oriole]

Steam is just a generally good game service that gives hundreds of usability features like P2P encryption, the entire in game menu, features for game devs and a generally low or industry standard tax rate.

I love valve (I shouldn't love companies, I know) because they atleast made Steam, i've decided to ignore their decisions with games however.

[ionic gale]

I also like valve

[sharp sparrow]

No idea the only achievement I try for right now is Full S ranks all maps in Ironman, for the watch……

[burnt quarry]

Ok, i test it

[shrewd oriole]

Steam already generates billions of dollars daily. Valve is a multi-billion, probably close to trillion dollar company.

[ionic gale]

When my steam account got hacked by some bozo in Argentina or something like that, steam Support actually got after asses and helped me get my account back by locking the schmuck out of my account and I had to change some passwords and stuff like that

But that’s just basic stuff that a support server should do so I’m not valve giving too much credit

[shrewd oriole]

Don't love companies, but if you are going to at least appreciate one, be valve. They've mishandled plenty of things though.

[ionic gale]

The valve holding your money until the end of the month does probably help with dirtbag scammers not getting a book

[shrewd oriole]

I fear the day that Valve becomes publicly traded. If it ever does, I'd run for the bushes.

[ionic gale]

The day before is a perfect example which they got absolutely no money from that hog fest… and Val did not have to give them any cash since literally like four days or so after that game released the studio shut down, and the game was delisted

[ionic gale]

Yeah, valve is a private company so they don’t have publishers and stuff like that breathing down their necks having to release a product

I bought it, but I haven’t even played it yet so I can’t give muh own opinion right now

[shrewd oriole]

Eh, the maps are cool and the outfits are good, but I'd wait until void fixes their game.

I meant void Valve did not have any hand in making RoN

I typed Valve to much that 2 words that start with a V became the same one.

[ionic gale]

I have played some of their games

[shrewd oriole]

Valve still has to deal with publishers - they are one themseleves too. Its more of an issue of stock holders and the like

[ionic gale]

The counterstrike and Left 4 dead series are like my most played from them

[shrewd oriole]

You cannot refund DLC.

[ionic gale]

You’re stuck with it

[solid totem]

🤣

[shrewd oriole]

10 bucks down the drain

Not including tax, closer to 11.

[slim vessel]

why would u even refund it the maps are good and $10 for it is a very good deal

[shrewd oriole]

Because Void hasn't fixed their game and released a broken update.

Welp, I hope you wern't planning to play the maps on commander mode.

[ionic gale]

I know you can play the maps in practice mode

[shrewd oriole]

Maybe? No one knows

[ionic gale]

Idk why the in the flippy flabby they did not add it

I remember discussing this with some people yesterday, but people have said how kinda misleading the mode names are…

[stark kiln]

canon? oh now there's a canon to this game?

[ionic gale]

Essentially practice mode is just “normal mode” and I guess you could qualify commander mode as a hard-core mode

[shrewd oriole]

Its "canon" however it takes place 5 years after the base game

[stark kiln]

just give the dlc maps its own little campaign

[ionic gale]

Yeah, you’re stuck with judge

[shrewd oriole]

Its VOID, thats to much work.

[ionic gale]

I know people compare this game to swat 4 a lot, technically, there’s not really a story in that game and while it just could be the limitations of 2005, they almost had their own little self-contain and narratives with each mission

[shrewd oriole]

You think that Void would put that effort in when they Can't even make a picture of a hospital?

[shrewd oriole]

I prefer this much more to be honest.

[ionic gale]

With judges entire character, planning to be a plot point due to theories and with lots of the missions… I don’t think they can back out of this story mode idea now

[shrewd oriole]

Or, don't, forgo your useless lore in leu of better gameplay.

[ionic gale]

The best that we can hope for is that it gets much more refined than & actual story

[stark kiln]

that's really what I meant tbh

[gleaming fable]

this game reminding me that i have an old videocard. lmao

[shrewd oriole]

This game is a spiritual successor to SWAT 4, an objectively superior game ( only mostly. )

[ionic gale]

MP17 PDW: a 9mm Sig P320 in a fancy PDW conversion kit, in SMGs

Dm4. A short AR 15 In .300 BLK

509 pistol: a standard 9mm pistol but it has 17 rounds making it the highest capacity 9 mm pistol in the game

[wise fox]

the game says i have corrupt files and to verify. Did that but the problem persists. is a reinstall necessary?

[ionic gale]

I mean it’s a game from 2005, but that game still holds up like almost 20 years later

[shy tulip]

#❓modding-faq-archive

[stark kiln]

should I even bother picking up RoN? lol

[ionic gale]

I bought it recently on GOG with the elite force mod and it’s been a good time rn

[shrewd oriole]

Wait for patches and updates, current game is broken.

[wise fox]

thank you very much!!

[shrewd oriole]

No, its an uglier Honey Badger

[stark kiln]

been hearing that for about 2 years, but alright

[ionic gale]

Not exactly if you want to get technical about it, but it shares some qualities I guess

[gleaming fable]

badjur

[shrewd oriole]

At some point, you should just look for alternatives. And if this game has been on your list for long enough, buy it and check it out for an hour or so, then refund it if its not your fancy.

[stark kiln]

fair enough

[shrewd oriole]

The game is good, the devs aren't.

[stark kiln]

I already have swat 4 on gog, so I'm probably set tbh

[ionic gale]

Also, I’m sorry if I’m gonna go on another rant quickly and I’m not saying that the people are doing this here but

[shrewd oriole]

Wait for a sale, and if its shit refund it.

[ionic gale]

I also don’t like it when people try to excuse bad products by saying “iTS a INdy DEv”

[shrewd oriole]

Indy Devs don't get an excuse for being poor at development. Void is still a decently sized studio.

[ionic gale]

like sure they’re not a not a AAA game studio and most of them are not getting backed by big boy publishers like EA, but that still doesn’t excuse poo poo caca practices.

[shrewd oriole]

Nope.

Mhm, Void things.

[ionic gale]

For some reason, the barclava character is a character called echo

[shy tulip]

The guns are available to everyone, being able to change character is not available in practice/commander

[ionic gale]

And you can only play as judge in the single player mode and that’s the reason

[gleaming fable]

i do wish the game is bug free and runs smooth on older hardware like mine but alas.

[shrewd oriole]

It would of been smarter for them to make a specific way to select balaclava, but I guess not.

[ionic gale]

I need to check my specs since I’m hearing lots of horror stories about this updates performance

[ionic gale]

I have used mods that have them in the customization options and I don’t know why they didn’t do that

[shrewd oriole]

Its bad.

[ionic gale]

I’m guessing they were all at Jack-in-the-Box dinner party, during the release and didn’t have time to code that

[shrewd oriole]

People with even good hardware go from FPS in the 100s to 60s.

[ionic gale]

The only thing I know about my rig is that it has an NVIDIA RTX 3000 series GPU

[gleaming fable]

shame. they need to get to fixing that

[shrewd oriole]

Every time I see "alas" I remember a very specific part of a French speech from their like, prime ministar or whatever talking about a coup attempt in like, the congo?

[ionic gale]

What specific model I have? I’m not sure I’m guessing it’s a 3070 or 80

[gleaming fable]

fps tanks on the armored truck loading screen
void pls fix.

[ionic gale]

Also, sidenote, apparently the 5000 series of RTX GPU by NVIDIA is coming out this year or in 2025

[shrewd oriole]

Wow, more thousand dollar GPUs.

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if the $7.25/hr paycheck at Dairy Queen is going to cover that

[shrewd oriole]

The rich will buy it, say its absolutely insane, then the poor people will get their hands on it when the next one drops.

[gleaming fable]

shame nvidia no longer focuses on the demographic that made them to who they are now.

now its AI this and AI that.

[timid quest]

Guys, I just realized that the game's name "Ready or Not" actually refers to the state of the game and not the state of the player.

[ionic gale]

I found their shield TV a little bit weird

[shrewd oriole]

The game is, infact, not ready.

[short inlet]

Which graphic setting affects the flashlights? it literally blinds me every time i use it on a dark room

[ionic gale]

I don’t know why you would buy that over a Roku but more power to you I guess

[timid quest]

Definitely not Ready.

[shrewd oriole]

I want to say light bounce

[gleaming fable]

I was never ready. in game or irl. 💀

[timid quest]

Well too bad, 'cuz the game was never ready either 🤷

[ionic gale]

Also, by the way, they’re GeForce now games on that thing is like

Google Stadia is better than that dogwater

[gleaming fable]

unfortunately thats how high powered flashlights work when pointing at something close.

tho i wish they would tone it down.

[ionic gale]

(I thonk)

[naive wedge]

my bullet grazed the top of this suspects skull

bro is to lucky

[gleaming fable]

did he die tho?

[naive wedge]

incapacitated so eh

[gleaming fable]

close enough. lmao

[shrewd oriole]

A grazing wound to the head would hurt like a mf and if its close enough send skull fragments flying into your bad spots.

[warm summit]

fix preformence drop

[naive wedge]

i mean i can always make sure hes dead...

[shrewd oriole]

In a month.

[warm summit]

Im gonna admit that my pc is a mid tear

[timid quest]

oh please, it would be a godsent if it were in a month, to how things have been going so far, most likely half a year to a year

[warm summit]

there is times that it drops to 30}

[naive wedge]

my pc is good but not good for 1440p (i play in 1440p)

[ionic gale]

My pc from my understanding is like a low to mid tier build

[shrewd oriole]

With a 3080?

[warm summit]

Its a laptop

[ionic gale]

I imagine that people with like thousand dollar rigs would probably have a much easier time running the silly swat game

[timid quest]

Weather your pc is good or not doesn't matter, I have a good pc and still runs ron like dogshit

[ionic gale]

I’m sure or maybe it’s just a 3070, I don’t know the exact difference

[timid quest]

yeah bet

[brisk bridge]

I have a 6700xt I use to play at 1440p and get 90-100 during missions on ultra settings. Now Im on medium graphics, 1080p and getting 50-60 fps during missions. Its rough out here

[shrewd oriole]

Poweful enough.

[naive wedge]

i finaly finished the last home invasion map without dying

may or may not of commited some unlawful kills but eh thats why you can turn the bodycam off

[ionic gale]

I’ve been able to play this game at high settings

[timid quest]

unlawful kills were you paying for a dlc after u paid 50$ for the game

[ionic gale]

I think there is the epic settings, but I think that’s when the game started to run like poo poo so I just put it to high

[naive wedge]

i got it before the 1.0 release so i didnt pay 50 euro

[shrewd oriole]

Haha, I only paid 20 bucks plus the tenner

[ionic gale]

I need to check my settings. The next time I hop on.

[timid quest]

Well I did and I ain't paying other 10 for the dlc.

"dlc", mfw 3 maps that are similar to what we already have in-game/mods and then some useless cosmetics

[shrewd oriole]

Void didn't deserve the 10 bucks, but I gave it to them for the cool new outfits

[naive wedge]

should of bought supporter edition

[ionic gale]

Supporter edition owners get the first DLC for free

[shrewd oriole]

80 bucks for the supporter edition

[naive wedge]

dont they get all dlcs for free?

[ionic gale]

The rest of the DLC’s that come out in the future, you will have to pay like the rest of us that did not have enough cash for this supporter edition

[timid quest]

I was super close, but luckly a friend told me that the devs aren't that serious and i didn't

[native rune]

Void doesn’t deserve a price hike every time they decide to actually update the game

[timid quest]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[naive wedge]

they put the game up 20 euro when they released the 1.0 update and thats the only time they did it

[ionic gale]

It was first DLC that was said every time I saw some something thing about the supporter edition

[shrewd oriole]

80 dollars for a 10 dollar DLC, a new helmet, belt, and like, I think thats it?

[timid quest]

"1.0" my ass, rushed regular ahh update

[shrewd oriole]

Was rushed for christmas.

[ionic gale]

Again, I never bought it so if you guys can somehow find where it says, what DLC you supporters get, I would like to be reminded

[timid quest]

void can also rush deez nuts at this point

[naive wedge]

considering the amount they released i wouldnt call it rushed

[shrewd oriole]

True

[timid quest]

what???

[fleet fossil]

uhh why i dont see new missions from dlc?

[shrewd oriole]

Brother did you see 1.0?

[naive wedge]

im looking at the patchnotes rn

[brisk bridge]

1.0 definitely wasnt a fulfilled release. shit was lack luster and rushed

[timid quest]

my brother in christ, after 1 year + of inactivity they rushed a "1.0" release which had nothing to do with a real 1.0 release and then after 7 months they release a dlc

[naive wedge]

they reworked 90% of the maps added 8 new guns

[shrewd oriole]

You gotta pay up for them. and they aren't available in commander mode, if you are playing in other DLC maps are at the top

[prime wing]

Practice mode or mp

[timid quest]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[prime wing]

Ye

[shrewd oriole]

They also added about a million new bugs and issues.

[naive wedge]

that were fixed soon after

[shrewd oriole]

No, not at all.

[ionic gale]

I would usually ask casual gamer about this, but it’s only the first DLC that supporters get access to for free right?

[fleet fossil]

i dont get it why they ar not in commander mode

[timid quest]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 bet

[shrewd oriole]

Hundreds of bugs even from early beta still exist and are previlent ingame.

[native rune]

Yes

[ionic gale]

After that, the supporter edition players have to pay for the rest of the future DLC like normal?

[naive wedge]

its 2024 stop expecting everything to be perfect look at other games (with much larger studio + budget) they cost 80+ euro and are a buggy mess 9/10 you cant even play it

[native rune]

Yes

[shrewd oriole]

Yes.

[timid quest]

And that's where you're wrong. Because of people thinking like this, has the industry gone to shit.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I’ve been hearing about that and I just want to keep that in mind in case there’s any weird misunderstanding in the future or something that gets people angry that apparently they were not “promised every every DLC for free”

[shrewd oriole]

This game on release cost around 50 dollars, the game was a broken, neigh unplayable mess. I don't expect my 1.0 releases to be absolutely perfect, I expect them to be close to bug free.

[ionic gale]

that is a small, but honestly big misunderstanding that could happen for some people

[brisk bridge]

This is why studios in this industry are getting away with bad product. most people are tired of bad games for AAA prices

[shrewd oriole]

Devs should be held accountable for the quality of their product, if the studio is 100 people or 10.

[timid quest]

^^^^
sadly it just works. There's always gonna be a stupid gamer that falls for it and buys their shit product

... and then there's the fanboys who be fanboying 'till the ends of earth

[brisk bridge]

True especially developers abusing the early access tag

[naive wedge]

when i played 1.0 (a few hours after release) i saw 0 bugs

[ionic gale]

I have seen many people complain about the Steam early access program, which while it is good for many who want to get funds for their game it can be abused like many other stuff in this industry

[shrewd oriole]

Then you'd be blind

[ionic gale]

Isn’t it depending on peoples rigs and stuff like that and a whole slew of factors?

[timid quest]

you either didn't play in alpha or barely played the game in general

[naive wedge]

i bought the game a year before 1.0 release

[ionic gale]

not taking sides or anything like that I’m just asking

[timid quest]

and how much did you play it?

[naive wedge]

20-30 euro cant exactly remember

[timid quest]

Cuz i also bought Escape from Tarkov when it came out but i don't have 10h in it
I said play not pay

[ionic gale]

I bought the game in early access like many others

[ionic gale]

He’s asking about how much did you play?

[naive wedge]

i have almost 600hrs in the game currently so yeah id say i played for a while

[naive wedge]

misread it

[timid quest]

and then my brother in christ what are you even saying

[ionic gale]

Ah np

[timid quest]

No way a normal person, from a neutral and correct standpoint, would ever try and defend this whole mess.

[ionic gale]

I’m reaching about about 200 hours myself and the 1.0 update did have some problems with me

[naive wedge]

ive seen few bugs and the ones ive seen arent exactly game breaking like its not like the games crashing everytime you load a map

[ionic gale]

the performance did get mucked noticeably after 1.0 from my experience

[naive wedge]

suspect ai was johnwick that was solved by mods

[timid quest]

They literally downgraded the game after 1.0, they took out more features than put in

[hushed meadow]

So you're saying the preformance is worse now?

[fleet fossil]

for me its better

[naive wedge]

they didnt but k

[ionic gale]

This 1.1 update? I haven’t played the update myself but from what I’m hearing I should probably bring a flare gun in case it gets bad

[brave lodge]

Yo any of you know if you can disable the ADS zoom thats been introduced?

[hushed meadow]

I already updated the game, do I need to download the dlc when i buy it?

[timid quest]

how did they not, each map had like at least 2 variants. Then there were like 3 game modes: Barricaded, Active shooter and assault or smth like that

[shrewd oriole]

Issues like the Suspect AI literally God himself, Map deployment spots didn't work whatsoever, the performance was horrid, the Entire Campaign was half baked, pretty consistent stutters and lag, missing promised features, ect.

[ionic gale]

I also bought the DLC, but I haven’t even hopped on the game yet for a few days so I don’t a personal opinion on it yet aside from what I’m hearing from all of you

[naive wedge]

somewhere in settings

[timid quest]

then the mission intros, some items got nuked, performance left the chat.. etc

[naive wedge]

active shooter barricaded suspect and bomb defuse type

the diffrent between active shooter and barricaded suspect was hardly noticable

[shrewd oriole]

That is objectivly false.

[timid quest]

and there was that assault something something, where there were a lot of enemies

[timid quest]

and also yep ^

[ionic gale]

It was “Raid”

[naive wedge]

from what i saw no it isnt

[tame harness]

Do all achievements unlock in MP now, or only the DLC related ones?

[timid quest]

there you go, so 4 actually, not 3.

[shrewd oriole]

Then you didn't play the mode.

[ionic gale]

You should be able to unlock the achievements in any of the modes except for mode exclusives

[timid quest]

Active Shooter was super fast paced, while barricaded suspect was the regular mode we got now.

[naive wedge]

i played it plenty

[shrewd oriole]

It was a usually insanely hard mode where they'd blast civvies when they hear gunshots or doors opening, or see swat. unlike the recent Active shooter mode on certin maps, this was actually difficult.

[brave lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-gif-25948010

[shrewd oriole]

Barricaded suspect was what we have now.

[tame harness]

Thank you!

[timid quest]

^ you had to chase them like john wick

[shy tulip]

I remember all the complaints because the mode was pure RNG whether or not you would actually get to stop the shooters before they killed.

[ionic gale]

From my experience:

Active shooter: some dude was actively killing civilians and you had to take them down quickly, before more civilians was hurt

Raid: more suspects & ur ROE was loosened

Barricade suspects: no introduction this is what we all played

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah, no doubt it was kinda shitty. But it WAS different.

[ionic gale]

Granted, I didn’t put that much time into the other modes, but that’s my basic understanding of them

[timid quest]

And bomb defusal which was, well.. bomb defusal

[stone bay]

Thats what I remember. I am glad they got rid of suspects just blasting hostages. Much better that they use them as leverage and or shields.

[timid quest]

that's still a thing now, on the Watt Community College map.

[fleet fossil]

So Home Invasion is only for Multiplayer And Practise mode right?

[ionic gale]

Yes

[shy tulip]

I think most people overstate how much they actually played the different modes. For the most part i think people either played raid or barricaded, the others modes were constantly being challenged and told to completely redo them.

[shrewd oriole]

Its how in my opinion the current Active shooter should work, except Civvies actually run from the bad guys, Current active shooter maps have a huge timer before the suspect actually start to mow people down. something like a accuracy penalty on these suspects would also go well with it. The main challenge should be speed, not suspects.

[stone bay]

Weird. I guess I got lucky on my run of that map.

[shrewd oriole]

Yes, but its on a timer for I think 5 minutes before they start.

[timid quest]

smth like that

[shy tulip]

It's 2-3 minutes

Not including a system where if you get close to them it overrides their timer

[shrewd oriole]

Its genuinely hard to not complete the mission before the 2-3 minute timer, unless your literaly walking slowly around.

[ionic gale]

Is the school map active shooter or is it just like the aftermath of the attack making it barricaded suspects technically?

[stone bay]

Aftermath of the attack.

[shrewd oriole]

active shooter

[timid quest]

Lore-wise it's active shooter

[ionic gale]

What about gameplay wise?

[rocky plover]

Same, was close several times but haven't succeeded yet always the last civvie hiding somewhere lol

[shrewd oriole]

It works as an active shooter gameplay wise, technically, but you'll rarely see them shoot civvies

[timid quest]

Well it isn't like the original active shooter was, where suspects would blast civvies as soon as mission starts, but it's still tehnically a active shooter

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if it’s just me and it could totally just be me, but it almost doesn’t feel like an active shooter

[calm sun]

Hi one question, i have supporter version for the game but the DLC doesnt work or doesnt want to install not sure, is this just me or is there a way to fix it?

[stone bay]

Its more of a bomb defusal map tbh. There are two bombs you have to track down.

[shy tulip]

Opt out of the test branch.

[ionic gale]

Is the current active shooter type mission good in this game or does it still need refining?

[calm sun]

Do i change the version/beta in the steam library?

[shrewd oriole]

That's because there is a timer before they start blasting, if you treat it like an active shooter, it doesn't play like one.

[shy tulip]

Yes

[calm sun]

Thanks ill check now

[timid quest]

Honestly don't really feel like active shooter after having played how it was originally

[proven blade]

should i continue my list of LSPD head quarters characters

[shrewd oriole]

A specialized points system for active shooter maps would be better.

[timid quest]

imo the whole ROE doesn't make sense

[shrewd oriole]

With AI for it and the like. The Current Active Shooter mode it just barricaded suspects on a timer

[timid quest]

you save the civvies, maybe arrest 1 or 2 supects, finish all objectives and get a B

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the active shooter mode needs to be switched up somehow because it just doesn’t feel like I’m actively having to take down a threat before more people get hurt

[shrewd oriole]

Its supposed to be most of the challenge in the game. At least going by SWAT 4 logic. And what a I think, at least.

[short inlet]

im still waiting for an update where they get rid of the HQ entirely and we can use a menu like a normal human being

[ionic gale]

There is the training area, Less lethal training down in the basement and a fire range, but I see what you mean why you think that it could be possibly borderline useless?

[proven blade]

no.

[timid quest]

B should be if a civvie or 2 die, A should be if the you complete the mission aka save the civs, complete objectives and maybe arrest 1 or 2 suspects and if you REALLY want a unrealistic challenge then, only THEN, S should be everyone alive + all objectives complete

[proven blade]

Leslie? Who the fuck is Leslie.

[ionic gale]

lol I meant to say Less lethal

[shrewd oriole]

The only way for Civvies to die is if you kill them, so getting very low points for that makes sense.

[ionic gale]

I don’t think the HQ should be removed. I think it’s cool for looking at evidence for story reasons and just testing your guns and other things like that

[proven blade]

Thoughts on the new "interactable" NPCs?

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects taking hostages is a very low chance considering everything.

[timid quest]

Accidents happen, especially in the situation RoN puts you into.

IRL it would still be considered a success even if 1 or 2 civvies die

[ionic gale]

If you’re suggesting that the HQ should be somehow changed to have a little bit more “Umph” then I see what you’re talking about

[short inlet]

Having to manually walk down to every area to do something gets old after the first time. And then it becomes a slog if you want to try a weapon, then change the mission, etc. There's no need for the "menu" to be like this when it could be a simple menu like in SWAT 4. Sometimes less is more

[timid quest]

Ready or Not's ROE makes no sense IRL.

[proven blade]

just walk lazy pants

[wispy cypress]

DUDE THE HITBOXES ARE SO BROKEN RN

[ionic gale]

Hmm

[fallen ivy]

For some people it's better, for some people it's worse

[shrewd oriole]

In my opinion that should be the challenge of RoN, similar to SWAT 4, the suspects are mostly easy to deal with using your tactics and superior weaponry, but it requires actual critical thinking.

[raw valley]

what
no

[wispy cypress]

Is it just for this new pistol or wtf? Sprayed a whole mag, dude killed me, he was like 1 meter away from me

[timid quest]

superior weaponry my ass, suspect takes full mag into chest and maybe dies or 1 shots you in full armor 🤣🤣🤣

[shy tulip]

Does shouting at them count as tactics, cause that's how most of swat 4 is tbh.

[raw valley]

did you aim

[wispy cypress]

No shit

[shrewd oriole]

Grenades don't exist to this mf

[raw valley]

did they have armor

[wispy cypress]

Quited the game instantly, such a bs

[shy tulip]

No need to when most of the suspects surrender to shouts, not looking at em. That's still just chucking a flashbang into the room

[shrewd oriole]

Makes sense.

[wispy cypress]

Idk i was too focused on killing him, on Narcos map

[ionic gale]

I have played both ready or not and swapped for since they’re obviously very similar and they’re both a talking point since they’re that similar

[raw valley]

i wonder how many people quit this game thinking it's a generic shooter game

[ionic gale]

This game is literally considered a successor to that game for a reason so It makes sense why we’re comparing it to this silly swat game

[wispy cypress]

Ngl rtx3050 have good 55-70fps, but the mouse lag is crazy

[timid quest]

*was

[ionic gale]

Not talking for everybody here, but there’s obviously gonna be some people who are going to play this like it’s call of duty and get bored quickly

[wispy cypress]

Motion blur is off.. still my mouse doesnt go smoothly

[ionic gale]

And for some people playing it all tactical like may get them bored too if they’re not used to that type of gameplay

[timid quest]

Idek how we comparing Broken or Not to SWAT 4, a game from 2005

[raw valley]

what do you mean i can't take 25 shots to the chest!??!? refunded!!!

[shrewd oriole]

I prefer it, some people don't. The game is a cake walk if you don't follow RoE, if you actually want to play its difficult. Half the fun for me in Swat 4 is quick thinking when people are surrendering or about to surrender and thinking about how to get suspects to surrender.

RoN is missing that felling entirely.

[timid quest]

Ready or Not's ROE has nothing to do with realism.

[rapid canopy]

yo did the new update really make the game run a lot better?

[ionic gale]

Some people may think it’s dumb comparing a 2020-esqe game to a shooter that literally released like almost 20 years ago

[shrewd oriole]

It doesn't have to deal with realism to me.

[timid quest]

You mean "a lot like butter"?

[novel walrus]

No it runs a lot worse

[rapid canopy]

fr?

[raw valley]

not really, seems to depend on the person

[ionic gale]

But SWAT 4 is one of those games that was pretty ahead of its time so I think it should get somewhat compared to this one

[novel walrus]

fr

[rapid canopy]

also snake pfp goes hard

[timid quest]

well the only reason the game is harder if you follow ROE is because said ROE is shit in the first place and doesn't make any sense..

[stone bay]

Still no word on all the content they removed for their grand "story" gotta love the bait and switch

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah, but I think its fun.

[ionic gale]

They’re both not perfect, of course because ready or not has optimization issues and other stuff like that while SWAT 4 does show its age at some parts but still

[timid quest]

Problem is when you compare Ready or Not to SWAT 4, not vice versa.
It is a literal insult to the gold that SWAT 4 was, to compare it to Broken or Not.

[raw valley]

what are you talking about

[pearl shuttle]

They both suck compared to SWAT 3

[shrewd oriole]

If the game was only realistic we'd be sitting outside the dudes house for 4 hours waiting for him to come out or hear a single gunshot from inside so we can send in a drone.

[ionic gale]

Hmm wdym

[timid quest]

edited

[pearl shuttle]

Realism is good unless it’s the boring part of real life

[ionic gale]

Ou

[ionic gale]

Yeah, we need to be able to suspend our disbelief for games like this for some parts but it also should be realistic enough that it’s not a goofy ass shooter as well

[shrewd oriole]

If this game was realistic we'd be filing paper work. Its the exciting part for a reason.

[stone bay]

They removed game modes for all the maps, you use to be able to play a bunch of different mission on the same map but all of that is gone

[timid quest]

People compared RoN to SWAT 4 and said it was finally a better SWAT game at the beginning of Void's road, when people had high hopes.

[raw valley]

oh
maybe they'll add it later

[pearl shuttle]

I think it’s better than SWAT 4 😎

[shrewd oriole]

I doubt anyone initially said it was better. I think people said it had potential to overtake it.

[timid quest]

🤣🤣🤣

[ionic gale]

SWAT 4 does show its age at most parts even when running some mods

Most of the time I need to ask Jackson to actually breach the fucking door twice

[pearl shuttle]

People are too used to Elite Force

[rapid canopy]

voice acting is so good in swat 4

[timid quest]

Had potential, now just spirales into a broken business mess.

[pearl shuttle]

I don’t think anybody plays SWAT 4 vanilla anymore

[shrewd oriole]

To be fair, I suppose when I say Swat 4 I mean Swat 4 elite force, entirly fair to say.

[raw valley]

never played swat 4

[stone bay]

No clue they have said absolutely nothing about returning the Raid, bomb threat, Hostage, and Shooter modes because they wanted to work on a story that doesn't exist

[shrewd oriole]

Base SWAT 4 still has better suspect AI and I will die on this hill.

[timid quest]

unless Void turns this ship around, but seeing how they've been doing so far, I highly doubt it.

[ionic gale]

I play a elite force and even the AI there does show its early 2000s type AI and it is frustrating sometimes

[rapid canopy]

swat 4 has voice detection so thats a point for them

[pearl shuttle]

The most popular mod for SWAT 4 before Elite Force added 99 wedges lmao

[raw valley]

reply fail moment

[rapid canopy]

voice detection has to be in ready or not at some point bro

[shy tulip]

Vanilla swat 4 ai will 180 you harder than RoN ever has, mainly because SWAT 4 vanilla has no armor system and a makarov will just pierce through your chest and stop your heart

Not to mention the swat ai rely really hard on pre-coded movements/locations. I've had em death funnel into a guy with a makarov

[ionic gale]

Although I have played the vanilla game from time to time

[short inlet]

Swat 4 has that 2000's charm to it that can't be replicated

[wispy cypress]

yeah ngl, wasted my time for updating 46gb game

[pearl shuttle]

Not a vanilla feature btw it has to be enabled by mods

[rapid canopy]

it is vanilla but broken

[wispy cypress]

the only thing that bothers me so much is the mouse lag rn

[rapid canopy]

since the game is so old

[pearl shuttle]

SWAT 4 vanilla is so mid I forgot what it played like

[shrewd oriole]

Thats why I didn't say SWAT AI. Suspect is still great, if not a little powerful at times.

[short inlet]

Swat 4's first gas station map is so good an the ambience is spot on

[proven blade]

Chief Alvarez and Quartermaster Vuley are such cool guys

[ionic gale]

The game being released before steam and never getting a steam release should say about how old the game is lol

[timid quest]

well excuse you but we comparing a 2023 game to a 2005 game

[pearl shuttle]

I will say at least SWAT 4’s map designers knew how to design maps around 5 man teams lmao