👮ron-discussion

[tacit gull]

did you know about deployable tac ladders then

[mossy hatch]

I saw the chat earlier, but before that, nah

[tacit gull]

what about mission intros, different healing animations, multiple surrender animations and hesitation animations that had body language coding

[mossy hatch]

do the ladders have collision? if so maybe with jugs movement mod you could climb them since theres some ramped step over stuff

[tacit gull]

no they're completely broken in the current build, even if you enable them

[mossy hatch]

gotcha

[tacit gull]

I do have a video of them in action though

[vocal night]

fellas i need some help with clearing greased palms with ltl

outside portions go relatively smooth but big area is just way too inconsistent to clear

at least thats what it feels like

[fallow sage]

Take it slow with greased palms, there's a lot of unexpected angles by the baggages so look at those

in the FISA building, there's at least five different angles to peek at, make sure to clear those and don't walk towards the window in the FISA section

also have someone hold security whenever you approach a new sector, there's always suspects walking around so be on your guard

[urban walrus]

It was never actually in the game tbf

The animations are there but never used

[tacit gull]

One of foxtrot's videos has them

Specifically on the ak-74u

[urban walrus]

Yes, I know

[tacit gull]

As in gameplay videos

They were technically in the PVP alpha and you could use them if you modded a coop map in

[urban walrus]

That's why I said it was never actually in the game, as in officially implemented

[tacit gull]

close enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban walrus]

Anyway, from what I remember the official response for scrapping it is visibility

[tacit gull]

So it's completely scrapped? I swear they said they were still working on it

[daring flame]

who knows what the devs work on besides what they tell us in the devblog

[urban walrus]

They did say that they were working on it but somewhere between before and after 1.0 launched, Ropolio said that it was scrapped.

[prime wing]

You are assuming that we have a on say on it,

2. That we have the ability to moderate on it and

3. Why are you bringing the forums to something completely unrelated

We cannot do anything about in game lobbies or what takes place in the game

[tacit gull]

I guess add that to the pile, what a fucking shame

[urban walrus]

Ah, this one right here #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[daring flame]

you realize there's been a micspammer in your game for 6 months right?

[tacit gull]

Oh well

He does specify 1.0 so i can still stay on hopeium

Also is ropolio no longer on the team or did he just hide his status?

[prime wing]

Ive known about it for an entire year, and the reddit/forums keep giving the guy free publicity

[daring flame]

so what's the deal

[prime wing]

what are you talking about lmao

[daring flame]

i just talked about it

[prime wing]

AH yes, im a dev (im not)

[urban walrus]

He is still a part of the team according to his profile

[daring flame]

its frustrating joining the same lobby back to back hearing him talk

[tacit gull]

That's.... strange

[daring flame]

yeah it really is considering this isnt the only game he does it in and nobody gets rid of him

[tacit gull]

Oh wait i'm fucking stupid, i even messaged when that happened, i completely forgot

[tacit gull]

Honestly i've heard he does it in other games aswell, and considering void takes forever to add basic features to their game that desperately needs it he ain't going away anytime soon

[mossy hatch]

Its all fun and games until he joins your lobby instead of hosting his own like usual #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message but on the real I was laughing my ass off afterwards

[daring flame]

im just really confused on how he's been doing this for a year straight with no moderation

[tacit gull]

I don't think the mods should have a say on what you do with the game to be fair, i just think the devs should provide proper tools so other people don't fuck the game up for you

[daring flame]

agreed

[prime wing]

I need to know how you reacted to this

[mossy hatch]

I was laughing hella hard, could barely get through what I said without laughing, had to cut it for discord (non nitro) upload reasons

[tacit gull]

At the very least if you can't be asked to add a sever browser make it so the matchmaking system does not join blocked users

simplest fix ever

[prime wing]

imagine just waiting on a lobby

and this mf joins

[mossy hatch]

I didn't see that shit coming at all

[tacit gull]

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it: LOBBY MANAGEMENT

[mossy hatch]

devs just gotta hit up TheRareKiwi, slide a 100, and then use that as ingame menu server browser...or just make that shit themselves/enable the one ppl were saying used to be in the game...

[tacit gull]

They ain't putting the old one back, that's for sure

But a new one is sorely needed

UI designer should have focused on that instead of the waste that is commander mode

[mossy hatch]

lol fr

[prime wing]

I wonder what are the challenges with a lobby browser

like, what is preventing it

if the issue is creating it, then I guess it is what it is lmao its been almost three years, but there has to be a barrier right now that makes it difficult to bring it up about on a future letter.

[mossy hatch]

My conspiracy theory is that preacher is lowkey a VOID employee

[prime wing]

ron arg

[tacit gull]

The fact they haven't even acknowledged it in a newsletter is concerning to me to be honest

Like they were happy to talk about company restructuring but not actual game issues? What?

[prime wing]

i think mods is a reason

at least one of them

Modio is trash

[mossy hatch]

^

[tacit gull]

The real problem is that the implementation is trash, mod.io isn't even that bad if you've used it in DRG

I've heard that it works fine on mordhau but i haven't had first hand experience with modding that game

[stone bay]

I wish I could S rank a level without being forced to use Non-Lethal for real

Game subconsciously enforces not removing bad people from this world with 5.56

[tacit gull]

It's almost like it's a police shooter

[mossy hatch]

"No mercy" mod on nexus

[stone bay]

SAY LESS

[mossy hatch]

lol

[stone bay]

Crackheads who cook meth, don't worry, I'll be your judge, jury, and prosecutor on the spot

[mossy hatch]

killnocapture (except if they actually surrender)

Reccomend using an AI mod with no mercy, and more AI if you're gonna use that though so it that it itsn't a cakewalk to get S

[tacit gull]

I wanna try astral's AI mod right now

[stone bay]

What does mic spamming mean

Does that just mean like somebody joins and talks constantly

[mossy hatch]

yes, but also if they're the host too

its 1 infamous guy + bot(s) who just talks (on recording) and never starts a game

[stone bay]

So like, if you click auto join you basically get stuck in his lobby pretty much

[mossy hatch]

yup

[stone bay]

And this game has no server browser right?

[prime wing]

not vanilla

[mossy hatch]

unless you use the "in game menu" mod

[stone bay]

In game menu mod....
I'll look that up later, I saw it on mod.io

[prime wing]

its peer to peer

[mossy hatch]

Haven't tried that one yet, I usually use Jugs Ai (with more enemies)

[mossy hatch]

Don't use mod io, you'll thank me 50 hours later

[tacit gull]

Celdis told me astral's does some goofy ass shit like giving some guards tasers

Giving more people armor, gas masks (that actually work)

[mossy hatch]

on mindjot maybe? if so I actually might have used it

[tacit gull]

it would actually be fucking hilarious if mindjot guards could arrest you

[mossy hatch]

lol

[tacit gull]

The animations are in the agme

[cunning elk]

how the fuck are people arresting the preacher

[mossy hatch]

I remember getting tazed by one of them and just smoke checking them hella quick. It didn't seem to do much like a real tazer would sieze your shit...

[tacit gull]

they're WHAT

[mossy hatch]

pvp or not mod maybe?

[prime wing]

oh

[tacit gull]

I dont think you can arrest people in PVP or not

[mossy hatch]

shit, idk then

[jolly verge]

it's easy

[prime wing]

i dont know where I saw the clip

its on reddit probably

[tacit gull]

please i need to fucking see this

[prime wing]

people have been going crazy in the sub

everyday one post after the other

but I remember seeing the arrest clip

truly a moment

[tacit gull]

I wonder if someone managed to reimplement the arrest mechanic from the PVP and that's it lmao

Would be awesome to see in PVP or Not

[mossy hatch]

I wouldn't be surprised if some mod wizard added some shit in privately to where they could do that in a normal co op game

[tacit gull]

i need to get into contact with this man

[tacit gull]

I can't find it on the subreddit

[earnest phoenix]

yeah i was looking for it too and cant find it, only found a handu guide on how to crash his game

[stone bay]

This game has an uncanny level of secret perversion

Dicks chips, jizz labeled window cleaner, devs need to go eat soap or something

[tacit gull]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[terse merlin]

POV you met one of the pub lobby preachers

[stone bay]

I want him to join my lobby one day, I want to ask him what denomination he is

[prime wing]

schizo

[stone bay]

Does he reply to people? Or just go off?

[prime wing]

its a recording

[stone bay]

lolol, nice

[earnest phoenix]

i saw poeple say that he'd sometimes respond if you mic spammed or smth like that

[stone bay]

I'm guessing if he joined a lobby that wasn't his own and the host eventually queues up he would leave, or does he assist in levels?

[earnest phoenix]

he doesnt join any lobbies

[stone bay]

There is a video of him joining one in media

[tacit gull]

Turns out that arresting was done with a cheat client made by the guy who posted the picture, figured as much

Still, glad to see that the PVP arrest animations still work

[prime wing]

some poor dude was unlucky enough to have him join

[terse merlin]

What if he's part of the ARG

[mossy hatch]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-in-door-pose-stare-gif-13874578

"imma ruin this mans day"

[mossy hatch]

caught his ass in 4k

[daring flame]

he stands in one spot

[copper cypress]

Is it less likely that one person shouting at a suspect will alert other nearby suspects than five people shouting at the suspect?

[vale tangle]

i’ve spoken to like 3 different accounts on that watchmen bullshit, they all say they don’t belong to denominations and follow “the bible” which to me was ironic because they were mostly cherry-picking old testament verses and making fun of the idea of “loving thy neighbour”

[vestal mauve]

If they're taking the Bible at 100% face value they're fundies at least

[daring flame]

sounds like a new age christian

[vale tangle]

no no like they reject the title of christian

completely anti-church

[vestal mauve]

Gerald Scott ass

[vale tangle]

for real

[vestal mauve]

As a Greek Orthodox:
Lol

[vale tangle]

they kind of scare me tbh, because they come across as completely schizophrenic

[stone bay]

Can someone help me understand why there's a metal detector on the path to the shooting range

[vestal mauve]

It was planted by Voll

[vale tangle]

idk, pretty sure that’s the exit, so it’s like to make sure people aren’t carrying guns and ammo off range

[stone bay]

Ok

[vale tangle]

ofc the swat already has metal lol

[stone bay]

Thanks

[vale tangle]

you’re welcome man

[vale tangle]

yeah it comes across as funny to us but they’re completely serious

[tacit gull]

I have no doubt in my mind they are serious about it considering he probably has hours upon hours of recordings, if you were gonna pick a bit you'd probably be smart about it

[daring flame]

they're anti church and reject the title of christian but they read the bible?

you can read the bible and not support those but then really what are you reading the bible for

[vale tangle]

yeah it’s not as counter-intuitive as you’d think, they think the church structures are hypocritical in the face of the bible. church structures came after the bible ofc so some more extreme people separate them

[vale tangle]

it’s their church

[daring flame]

ah

[vale tangle]

which is another reason why i think they’re on the crazy end of things, because they lack the community of church and just have the bible, and a set of collective poor reading comprehension making them just devolve into madness

or that’s just my theory

[daring flame]

yup

if you have a book and start preaching it by yourself only you will believe it

[shy pike]

Question for anyone: If you could only use one rifle (or any primary weapon) for every mission, what would you pick?

[stone bay]

SA-58

[shy pike]

I think I would personally pick taking into consideration I haven't played all the levels yet, either the MK18 or GA416

[stone bay]

Although sometimes I pick the SLR-47 for no other reason than I have a mod that re-skins it as an AK-12

[lost inlet]

arn 180

[stone bay]

Oh okay, so basically, long story short, just trolling lol

Delusion masterclass

[brittle sable]

i mean i already do
i just run the hk416 for no reason other than i like the look

[frail quartz]

I'm still LVAR pilled

[copper cypress]

Will suspects randomly execute hostages in a firefight? I just accidentally saw a message about the death of a hostage in a firefight that prevented me from getting a high score ==

The level I played was the one with the ranch and the underground tunnel.

My teammates and I only had pepper guns.

[fallow sage]

well to be a bit more technical: RoN uses P2P with SDR relays

not really a new system but very much unique to Steam itself, being the only provider that can route traffic through their own network

not even Xbox can do it

[stone bay]

I run the M4
M4 with Barretta

A timeless battle tested loadout,
USA approved

[fallow sage]

SLR47

has been my loadout since the beginning

[shy pike]

I only ran with the MK18 or GA416

[fallow sage]

try more loadouts like the F90 or the G36C

both really great rifles with low recoil

but if god allowed me, I will always run AK-103s that the NPCs use

[neon forge]

what is ironman mode

[shy pike]

If you die you die

Pretty much a hardcore mode

[tawny ravine]

if you die, your save is deleted and you have to start over from the beginning

[earnest phoenix]

they wont intentionally (unless its """"active"""" shooter) but they can get caught in the crossfire

[stone bay]

What do you guys think is the best rifle and secondary in terms of recoil and damage?

[copper cypress]

Active shooter?

[earnest phoenix]

some maps (literally only elephant) are active shooting where the suspects will actually shoot the civs

except theyre not active because the shooters will stand in one place and wait multiple minutes before actually shooting anyone because 'ermm well i need my to get my S rank '

[shy pike]

AI is so weird in that sense

[tawny ravine]

g36c and fiveseven

[copper cypress]

It sounds like if I AFK at the spawn point those civilians will still be killed by the suspects lol

[shy pike]

If I watch my replays I can just see the AI standing around looking absolutely clueless until they hear something and stare at a door

[earnest phoenix]

yes but they have a 120s timer before 'activating', in which you'll often have killed the shooters faster

[copper cypress]

120s!???????? 😨

[shy pike]

I remember entering that building through the front entrance and immediately getting shot from the second floor 💀

[earnest phoenix]

by activating i meant that only after those 2 minutes theyll actually go after civs

[shy pike]

Then found out in the middle of the mission that there were bombs

[copper cypress]

I might need to be a little quicker next time.

[earnest phoenix]

once you learn the layout its not hard to get all the shooters in less than 2 mins

[copper cypress]

My time is spent checking traps behind doors😂

[past warren]

They will grab the civilian hostage though and only then if you shoot at them, they execute them (seen on megabyte and maybe gas station)

[copper cypress]

My AI teammates may have seen the suspect holding hostages and killed both of them lol

[brave lodge]

Played Ironman recently, tried the G36 for the first time and its incredibly smooth shooting

[shy pike]

Tried it out on the range and it indeed felt very smooth with little recoil

Might try it out for real next time I play

[quasi gate]

You can see this behavior on the following:

Gas Station
Streamer
Postal Service
Meth houses
Club
Hospital

Basically any mission that has the AI archetype with the included Alert behavior

[copper cypress]

Will SWAT AI deliberately target a suspect's hands or feet?

[jolly verge]

Torso but can hit arms too

[copper cypress]

Okay

[dense quest]

MCX (ARN is an option too but I like how MCX looks more)

[gleaming fable]

AI bullets going through thick concrete is a pretty funny prank Void.

[manic linden]

Never seen any sus grab a cov as a shield before

Didn't know it was a feature

[gleaming fable]

they evolving. lmao

[copper cypress]

Do you guys think JHP bullets are suitable for people who can accurately target the hands and feet of suspects?

I wanted to try targeting the suspect's feet for an attack.

[native rune]

Technically yes but most of the time the result is going to be the same as using AP on the body

That being whoever you shot hitting the floor incapped

[copper cypress]

Oh~

[honest owl]

Oh yikes that hotfix log is looking pretty barren... yikers.

[turbid flame]

when is pvp coming any eta?

[honest owl]

Probably after they're done fleecing us for another $30...

[past warren]

Only if they’re nearby a suspect who has engaged with an officer

[manic linden]

i wish there was a reason to swap guns around aside from their length lol. they all feel literally the same

[native rune]

Looks, sound

[vestal mauve]

I like the selection even if it's superfluous

[native rune]

I run the SA58 just because I like the unsuppressed noise of it even though it’s the most cumbersome weapon you could probably bring

[manic linden]

@native rune@vestal mauve dont get me wrong. handling (to lesser extent), looks sound are great. especially last 2 points. but i meant gameplay wise

and attachments. quite disappointing

but yeah selection is good

[native rune]

I would like more attachments yeah

I feel like any noticeable changes between the guns would be arbitrary to some degree. If guns are operating on the same platform and firing the same thing I’d expect them to perform almost identically

Don’t get me wrong I think it would be cool to see some mechanical variations explored more like barrel length mattering or different gas systems

[gleaming fable]

being able to rock a laser and light at the same time would be a great qol change afaic

[stable lagoon]

I like when suspects play dead and then get up after I tie them up.

Like, nice going dingus. Didn't think I'd tie up a corpse?

[obtuse whale]

SA58 and its ability to frighten even its your companions through destructive power

[proud quarry]

I just canoe them because swat isnt there to talk anymore lol

[quaint bone]

yeah if RoN got some sort of Gunsmithing or Tarkov-like weapon editing, it would be super good

[obtuse whale]

it would be nice use the IR laser coupled with the flashlight, just like Tarkov or Ground Branch

[obtuse whale]

change stock, rail guard, grips etc

[crude prism]

as a "cool" thing? sure

as a "do I want the weapon modeling team spending their time on this?" no

[frozen beacon]

would be cool to be able to change stock for weapon length reasons

[ivory barn]

Patch today?

[stable lagoon]

I'm fine with weapons being mostly cosmetic but a few more styles of weapons would be nice. A couple marksman rifles, some machine pistols and etc. Even if they don't make sense.

[ivory barn]

where is info about today patch

[crude prism]

it gets posted on steam first, then when that goes up, they post it here shortly after

it's already up on steam

[crude prism]

We're well past "don't make sense" imo

cough SA-58 cough

As long as it matches the aesthetic "feel" of what we have already, I'm game.

[true jungle]

Public branch was updated but where patch notes ☠️

[umbral oar]

there was a patch?

[ivory barn]

thank u, i found it

[stable lagoon]

Yeah, exactly.

[crude prism]

Don't need ghetto trash firearms, but adding like an M14, those SCARs on the wall, M16, all are game

inb4 more foreign imports that make no sense

[umbral oar]

oh its bite sized

[soft narwhal]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/4120301634171326315?l=english

[stable lagoon]

Really I just think they should make all the suspect only weapons unlockable through S ranks.

[umbral oar]

thats a pretty cool photo

dude in the back is warming his hands

[crude prism]

HUGE PATCH HOLY SHIT

[calm cosmos]

I think it'd be cool if they put attachments on SOME of the enemy AI's guns, I mean why tf are supposed terrorists running $1500+ rifles with iron sights, are we fighting boomers or something?

[umbral oar]

only attachment is flashlights

[frozen beacon]

patch only does 2 things it seems "Bug Fixes:
Resolved crash primarily relevant to RTX 4000 series cards regarding issue with
"DXGI_Error_Device_Hung"
Resolved inconsistencies with Commander Mode traits applying incorrectly"

[livid sluice]

Hey quick question but does anyone know an exact number or an estimate of how many dangerous meth heads are on Twisted Nerve?

[crude prism]

I believe the spawn gap is 13-15 suspects?

[livid sluice]

13-15? How many civilians then

Or does everyone there have a chance to pull a gun on me

[crude prism]

should be +5 civs on top of those suspects

[livid sluice]

Alright then, it always felt lower

Thanks, I’ve been meaning to go in and clear out the map so I can just look around and gander at everything

[slate prawn]

does anyone know if mods disable achievements?

[native rune]

Big patch there

[patent vortex]

""Resolved inconsistencies with Commander Mode traits applying incorrectly"" what is ?

[astral warren]

"Resolved inconsistencies with Commander Mode traits applying incorrectly" Big if true.

[patent vortex]

ok

i see i think

[astral warren]

Commander mode has traits that your officers can develop.

Or rather unlock.

[patent vortex]

yess

[astral warren]

Many of them did not work as advertised, or at all in some circumstances.

[soft narwhal]

they worked only when they were locked

[quartz echo]

Does ready or not have a partner program?

[patent vortex]

3 mission win it deblock the trait i believe no ?

[astral warren]

Very impressive.

[native rune]

1000IQ game development as always

[astral warren]

That's just amazing.

[patent vortex]

niice

[astral warren]

I can't decide what's worse, 7.62x51 NATO AP having a 2x headshot multiplier when literally every single other bullet, including much smaller and slower ones, has a 3x headshot multiplier, or the fact that the traits worked UNTIL you unlocked them.

[patent vortex]

the goal is no kill bro

do an s with lethal , i dare you

[astral warren]

I actually have on gas with only revolver.

They all played dead when I shot them.

It was definitely very lucky.

[patent vortex]

seriously with the 357 ?

i ll try

[astral warren]

Yeah.

[hasty oak]

truly one of the patches of all time

[native rune]

We learned how to make traits work after you unlock them instead of before

[astral warren]

On gas the revolver can't 1 shot incap, so if you shoot them and they fall down, and you didn't hit them in the head or cause an arterial bleed, then they're faking.

[crude prism]

traits fixed in real

[patent vortex]

ok ok

[astral warren]

😳

I kind of actually want to play commander mode, now.

[patent vortex]

i love split my team but, at the end, i run in all the map for give order to my bots , can we give order by the camera or ? for the ai ?

[astral warren]

Before it was just, "Waaah, you blew a guys head off with a shotgun! I'm too sad to work!", replaces le epic style but now there's an incentive to keep someone from getting benched from seeing people be dismembered if their trait is valuable.

[patent vortex]

shotgun imo is really good for stun but only

i never use or only if i want to rush the map solo with no ai

and speed run

[astral warren]

Shotguns with slugs are good because they are less liable to maim and kill and also they're very good against most armour.

[patent vortex]

the 5.56 ap is the way

[astral warren]

I can't really see a reason to use 5.56 when .300blk is in the game, but 5.56 does offer some very low recoil options.

[patent vortex]

i think irl they do for ko no for kill or incapacitate

i speak the pumps

[astral warren]

huh

[patent vortex]

in bataclan in france they use the pump but for tactical in the windows

[astral warren]

You mean pump action shotguns? I'm sorry, I don't quite understand.

[patent vortex]

yes sry

[astral warren]

Oh okay, no it's alright, I just wasn't quite sure what you meant. Yeah, a lot of departments and counter-terrorism units do use pump action shotguns. I think part of the reason is less than lethal rounds, like beanbag rounds, might not be loaded hot enough to cycle the action of a semi auto shotgun. There's quite a few shotguns on the market that can be configured to run semi auto or be pumped manually, depending on what kinds of shells you're running through it, and whether or not it has enough chamber pressure to reliably cycle the semi auto configuration.

[patent vortex]

yess i think for the power of recoil and the impression of ko the enemy for after, a better control , always the goal at the end is to not kill, kill is the last option.

vs terrorist i think is hard to preserve your mind

see the bombers in neon tomb, they are the only ai that make me scared in the game

[native rune]

Very unique game, if you watch gameplay videos and want to play it, get it. Bozo devs. I would say get it on a sale

[livid moat]

got all steam achivments : ) took me way too long and no i didnt do it unmodded becasue im not a psychopath

[round zephyr]

Niiice! im going unmodded and ... it's taking awhile ...

[livid moat]

i saw that port mission and said nawwww

[granite peak]

whenever i restrain a civ or suspect the animation takes too long and i feel bored so i go on tiktok and then the animation finishes by the time tiktok opens the first video so i have to close it, any solutions

[umbral oar]

not really legit though right

[livid moat]

no not legit becasue like i said. im not a psychopath. but i got the achivments and now i can dedicate my time elsewhere

[umbral oar]

honestly thats fair

i wanna retry hermit without alt f4’ing

[livid moat]

hermit was the hardest one for obvious reasons and alt f4ing was a godsend

[round zephyr]

That was a pain to do the tazer thing with lol. I'm on my iron man runs now. oof

[frozen beacon]

what 556 guns are yall rocking?

I love the LVAR, its short and use 300 blackout

[vale tangle]

definitely not trolling

lol

those guys actually believe it

[quartz echo]

if you have performance issues turn off "per-object shadows" made my stutter go away!

[shy pike]

I fixed my performance issues by switching DLSS to performance (only works for Nvidia RTX cards)

[stuck fox]

did they remove supporters edition?
cuz i cant find it on the steam page

[muted star]

ye

[stuck fox]

then how can i get the FBI HRT?

[muted star]

that's the neat thing, you don't

[stuck fox]

ok

[umbral oar]

i want the supporter mk1 so bad

[muted star]

They removed it for 1.0 from steam

[umbral oar]

oh interesting

i thought they still had it

[past yew]

why isint in ron a restart button somewhere?

[long cypress]

It's because you're playing the "Campaign" of the game, you cannot restart while in mission.

Unless you do Training mode.

[past yew]

oooooooooooooooh

k

[smoky cedar]

havent played this game in a while, any recommended mods?

[tacit gull]

Astral's revamped AI is pretty good from what i've used it so far

[smoky cedar]

i have a Swat and Suspect AI Overhaul mod already

[tacit gull]

that's about the biggest gamechanger right now

[smoky cedar]

guys

any good voiceovers?

[dark tusk]

Im playing the Elephant mission right now and ive done 4 laps of the intire building but still no order to chaos, what am i missing?

[smoky cedar]

oh yeah is it your first time playing that one

[dark tusk]

yes

[smoky cedar]

there are some rooms that took me a while to find

theres some extra classrooms near the green area

down and upstairs

[dark tusk]

i must be stupid then lol

[smoky cedar]

trust me took like 15 tries before i found those rooms

[dark tusk]

im certain it must be bugged ive been walking for 20 minutes now

no sounds either if there is still a gunman around

[smoky cedar]

just spam F and you should hear a voice yelling back at you

also, ask your team to search & secure the building

[dark tusk]

they just say "yup" and keep following me

[brave lodge]

Is it bring order to chaos, rescue civilians or the secret third mission parameter you're missing?

[dark tusk]

bring order to chaos

[brave lodge]

Did you check external? So from where you begin the mission if you went in from the front of the school, take a right, through the double doors, then a left, down the hall which leads to the right. Theres a double door on the left side.

Ive found they like to run outside there and try camp the door

Its pretty much if you picked the spawn out front of the shcool its like 1 o clock of your spawn

[shy tulip]

The suspect has breached containment

[dark tusk]

i give up

let him kill all the civs i dont care

[fiery flame]

anything else in the update that just came out besides whats listed on steam

[native rune]

Bugs

[long cypress]

Not that I know of, although I noticed a bit of FPS getting smoother from the newest update.

[stone bay]

900 mb update that i cant even fucking download because my storage space is 5 fucking gb

[native rune]

You already said that

[stone bay]

i forgot that i was not in #👮ron-discussion

so i said it again here

[fallow sage]

You can just hotlink your last message and just say "as per my last message (insert link)"

(Yes I know, same energy as "as per my last email")

[desert solar]

I got stabbed to death by suspect... how do I prevent that?

[fallow sage]

Mouse 1

[desert solar]

Didn't work

Also, I was wearing full heavy armor, how did I manage to get stabbed??

[fallow sage]

have you tried holding security

[desert solar]

How do you beat people

There was some bind, forgot it

[fallow sage]

B

[desert solar]

what is unathorized use of force?

The bud was pointing revolver at me

[foggy zinc]

It happens when you:

1. Kill a suspect before you try to attempt compliance.
2. Shot a civilian by accident or hit them/tased them/did any harm to them
3. Hit a suspect or do any harm to them (melee, taser, shooting them) while cuffed/compliant

[desert solar]

Was yelling at him to drop the gun... he pointed revolver at me so I shot him... got the negative bonus

[foggy zinc]

Unsure at that point. It might be that you shot too soon (rounded a corner and saw him, then shot them instantly) and weren't directly yelling for compliance at him and they instead heard your yell and became alerted.

[desert solar]

HE was behind a glass

if that means anything

[bitter mason]

ROE seems weirdly inconsistent still
I have sometimes gotten away with just shooting someone straight away and other times not

what level was it?

[desert solar]

first one

[bitter mason]

maybe he didnt actually "see" you or something. Suspects tend to look in the direction of sounds like that

and like to just point their guns aimlessly

[desert solar]

way to get yourself killed...

[bitter mason]

If it was the front door glass or something idk, because they can see through glass

[bitter mason]

yeah suspect ai has terrible animations when it comes to readability.
Since the game has rules of engagement on weather you are allowed to shoot a suspect or not, it really needs to be clearer when you can

rn it seems all over the place

[desert solar]

how do I finish a mission

[bitter mason]

clear all of the objectives (hold tab and you can see them)
When they're all done there will be a "Soft complete" prompt
Which means there are some guns and reports you missed. Doing all objectives, collecting all evidence and guns, and reporting everything (arrests, kills etc) will auto finish the mission

if you're on commander mode you can "extract" at spawn to end the mission early also

[desert solar]

There was kid hidden in a wardrobe...

Didn't notice her

[bitter mason]

also if the whole team management and tedium of going back to the station if you fail gets too much
you can always use "practice" mode you can access in the menu
its name is misleading as its more of a classic mode, how the game played in early access and more similar to SWAT 4
In practice you can restart a level whenever through the pause menu, there's no team management to worry about you get a select squad and you still unlock and progress things as normal. Its how I play

[past warren]

When is the Ready Or Not Battlepass coming out

[bitter mason]

5 minutes

[desert solar]

What is "Clear with leadeR"

[native rune]

They will begin clearing the room after you enter/throw in a grenade

[buoyant cape]

basically means theyll move when you go in

[desert solar]

Can I chekc objectives during game somehow?

[bitter mason]

hold tab

[prime wing]

arent these things covered in the tutorial

[desert solar]

not really

they tell you how to shoot and order your team, and realy tell you how to use that tube to look udner doors

[fallow sage]

Then you're not paying attention

They also teach you room clearing, morality, and soft objectives

and marking cleared areas with a chemlight

Tutorial is barebones for a reason, you find out the rest on your own playthroughs

[fallow sage]

RoN kind of assumes you already know an assortment of basics + law enforcement rules of engagement, which is fair for the most part since their audience are either has tac shooter backgrounds like ARMA

However if some uneducated youth somehow buys this because their favorite YouTuber did, or just someone who doesn't play grittier shooters, they will find it difficult

[desert solar]

Watched some live swat missions and got interesting in all of this theme

[fallow sage]

Ah, yeah this game really punishes you for not doing the right things, since you replicate the same RoE as real SWAT officers, you will learn quite a lot of things on the way, forcing you to abandon your typical style with most FPSes

[desert solar]

I can't find last hostage...

[fallow sage]

it do be like that

[prime wing]

i would also add that there is 0 description of how the AI works in the game. Unless im missing someting from the tutorial

like the whole stress/morale system

[desert solar]

I still have no idea what it is

aside it decreasing when I shoot them

[fallow sage]

Yeah the tutorial is too barebones

SWAT4 handles this very well about how it works IIRC

[fallow sage]

basically every suspect has different ways in handling stress and morale. Less disciplined, more likelihood for morale to crack

So your off the shelf robber will give up easily vs a veteran

[patent vortex]

yess finally reach the goal the finish mindjot map in 4"46 (less than 5mn) rank A ( 6 suspect 1st breach (ty)

[daring flame]

are there veteran suspects in the game?

or did they remove that in 1.0

[twin citrus]

some of The Left Behind suspects are veterans
they have prosthetic limbs and apparently resilience to tear gas, although ive never seen it pose a big difference

[gaunt turtle]

aren't some of the Bolton Security guys veterans or former police according to lore?

[tranquil pike]

@vestal mauve @stone bay https://youtu.be/vGLPVKljgPI?si=EOnTrISmDWvZGMHT

[lost inlet]

Did the patch fixed the AI teammate traits bug in commander mode?

[prime mural]

They implemented that?

[stone bay]

I never seen a criminal shoot themselves yet

I want to see it happen

"he's got the gun to his head, are we going in sir?"

Stand down, let Darwin handle the rest

The club mission drove me crazy, I couldn't finish it because there was some citizen somewhere probably and I couldn't find them

[livid sluice]

i have. One of the methheads blew their brains out while i was trying to get an S rank on Twisated Nerve

[stone bay]

Meth fueled motivation for real lol,
sucks you lost the S though

[livid sluice]

yeah, its fine. got it eventually

[opal fractal]

Will supporter edition ever come back?

[night pasture]

No

[gaunt turtle]

george brixley

[fallow sage]

yes, in the AI overhaul, you see it more in prominence when a criminal sees their comrade die in front of them, or get startled, they surrender

[urban walrus]

No, it's gone forever

[hot moss]

I havent played RoN in a while did they fix the ai

[shy tulip]

If you were struggling, they have made them much easier

[twin citrus]

perhaps? but they have no physical signs of it
and i havent noticed or seen anyone talk about tear gas resistance or anything like that

wouldn't be suprised if they were former cops though

[robust spire]

guys i cant play because it wont load into police station

[gaunt turtle]

specs?

also check update maybe?

[robust spire]

you guys might laugh at me (btw i know these specs can run i seen someone run on even lower spec)
Intel Iris XE
8gb Ram
Core I5 11 Gen

i dont remember my vram or anything else but thats a broad idea of what kind of pc i have

[gaunt turtle]

directx11?

[robust spire]

yes

[twin citrus]

what happened to the 2nd Shield?
I remember watching old playthrough videos and they had 2 shield variants. One of them was HRT or something federal and the other was the normal one we have now

[fallow sage]

the HRT one? I think it's still in the files but not used

[twin citrus]

hold on i found a video

its called the rescue shield

its also locked
ill post it in media

[modern birch]

Resolved inconsistencies with Commander Mode traits applying incorrectly
guys what are the commander mode "traits"?

[novel horizon]

Nutritionist, Armorer, Breach, SBAGS, etc

Each officer will have a trait that can be unlocked by playing missions and these traits will provide the listed bonuses to your team

[winter jewel]

Hi guys

[modern birch]

Ah those, thanks.

[novel horizon]

Hello chat

[robust spire]

will anyone help?

[sturdy gazelle]

is there any mod that delete bomb threat in elephant map?

[terse merlin]

hello chat

[vocal night]

can i beanbag or taze non compliant civs and not get unauthorised use of force?

fella doesnt want to get down

never mind 24th yell was the charm

[acoustic eagle]

you guys know that civilian in the back garage on the car dealership mission? yeah if you tell him to go to the squad van he just gets stuck on the garage door

pretty funny

[stone bay]

Is the ARN 180 in the game because the devs are from ireland

[terse merlin]

the devs are majority aus/nz I think

which is why a bastardised F90 is in the game

[manic linden]

i dont understand queueing commands. BLUE TEAM: you aim at a door to breach, QUEUE COMMAND

red teamn, go to this door. BREACH

BLUE TEAM, EXECUTE COMMAND

blue team comes to red.. what the fuck

[urban walrus]

Mainly because the lead devs are from aus/nz, most of the team is from other countries

[civic otter]

The irony of the 1.0.4 update actually being a hotfix but being called an update 😄

[tacit gull]

Well it's a fix at most, definetly not* hot, it's more of a patch than an update

[hardy plinth]

Isn't a fix by definition an update?

It's just not a content update

When you update Windows it's almost always just a fix anyway

[waxen grove]

Each update gives you hope till you read the patch note and findout it’s nothing

Definitely still waiting on theses optimisations. I do hope the fixes isn’t better preset graphics settings

[hardy plinth]

Game's performance has already gotten much better for me last fix

I personally need more fixes to items not working as intended and packet loss in multiplayer

I hope they can make the taser work as intended

[vernal bane]

What's wrong with taser?

[waxen grove]

I run a mod that removes the fog and messes with a buch of things even upping the res scale and the game runs smoother somehow. Still does

[hardy plinth]

Have you used it in multiplayer?

[vernal bane]

Yea, in Park Homes

Is it a host or client issue?

[hardy plinth]

It's absolutely broken for me and my friend

[vernal bane]

Define broken

[hardy plinth]

We live far away but sometimes even enemies have the taser sticking them walking around shooting

[vernal bane]

Oh I never had that happen

[hardy plinth]

Or the taser just flies right through enemies running at you

[hardy plinth]

I think more client issues

[vernal bane]

Might be related to netcoding

[waxen grove]

Like if I turn off shadows it runs fine so it’s an issue with unoptimised shadows. Bet that’s not the least of the issues but just being able to adjust shadows more isn’t gonna fix it, especially at anything lower then medium it’s not a shadow but a weird blocky mess

[hardy plinth]

I blame it on packet loss

[hardy plinth]

It looks AWFUL on maps like A Lethal Obsession

[waxen grove]

Ikr

This game forces max quality though anything lesser looking worse then something on a ps2

[hardy plinth]

The hair looks terrible too

No matter how high I turn up the graphics

[waxen grove]

Haven’t looked at the hair

Doesn’t bother me tbh

[hardy plinth]

I can always just see right through their haircuts

[waxen grove]

More issues than hair. Oh yeah the clipping issue with the hair

[hardy plinth]

Maybe that's why most enemies are bald lol

[sour geode]

I play on low cause that’s all my 1/8 of a pc can handle lol

[glacial sparrow]

Oi oi oi

[copper cypress]

Will the helmet fall off if it is hit by a bullet?

I had just been ambushed and shot in the head but not dead😅

Wouldn't the helmet just get damaged?

[tacit gull]

It doesn't fall off visually but if it gets hit depending on the type of headgear you have on it will stop providing protection after a number of shots

[copper cypress]

Oh~ got it.

[fair cave]

The SA-58 is just so therapeutic

[copper cypress]

Does crouching and moving and walking silently count as stealth?

I recently had the game crash using silent walking and I wanted to use crouch movement ==+

[modern vapor]

Wow, just had a really good run for S rank on Sins of the father and my games just crashed, out of no reason whatsoever

[marble narwhal]

Can you actually swap different AI team members out between missions or do you need to Fire/Send to Therapy to remove them from your squad? There doesn't seem to be a way to just swap them out easily

[umbral oar]

click their slot then click another guy

[marble narwhal]

Just selects that new person, doesn't swap them around

[hasty marsh]

could somebody tell me why a 900 mb update patches 55gb of game files?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/963107329224609822/1214967159814492231/image.png?ex=65fb0957&is=65e89457&hm=8cd175cc207ca2bea9f24cfcbf9eada843612515d7105535c258f198a30f11e0&

like this surely isnt normal right?

like every time there is an update for this game steam has to patch the whole game, atleast for me

[soft narwhal]

IIRC it's because of how Unreal Engine works.

Other games in UE like Dead by Daylight have this issue and have notoriously long update times at times even if the update itself is a few gb's or less

It goes through and verifies all the files after its done downloading and installing

[hasty marsh]

verifying at least for me takes 5-7 minutes at most, but the patching after an update takes 30-35

[vestal mauve]

I remember Path of Exile had the same issue, every patch took 30 mins to finish

[hasty marsh]

it seems faster to reinstall the game every time theres an update

[soft narwhal]

It's dependant on your drive speed basically.

However fast your drive speed is and also steam not shitting itself at times.

[glossy sandal]

u guys know a mod to make head not blowing up when shot with a shotgun ?

[twilit sapphire]

guys

i want to buy the game

bute before

can you beat civilians with the breachhin tool?

that hammer what was the name

[tacit gull]

you can only hit civilians with the side of the battering ram

[twilit sapphire]

nice

i will spend 250 RON just for that

[umbral oar]

idk what u mean

[summer copper]

i love not even 1 GB update with 55GB patching and then another 15 mins of verifying

[manic linden]

man these commands fucking suck ass

they very often not work. i tell em to fucking breach and they just stand there

[marble narwhal]

Clicking on anyone in the AI list will just show their information like mental state, team buff and lore

[umbral oar]

are you trying to swap their positions?

[marble narwhal]

Yes, the only buttons on those pages are to send them to get medical help and to fire them, not quick-swap between my list of currently alive teammates

[hardy plinth]

Oh so you can hit them?

I tried on a cuffed suspect but nothing happened

[manic linden]

how the fuck do you execute commands i really dont get it. i stack the "breach" command, and order them to execute and they just come to me

[tacit gull]

You can only melee them with b

[hardy plinth]

Awww

Is it illegal or something?

[native rune]

Well it doesn’t help that it just flat out doesn’t work around half the time but it helps to actually MM3 the order menu open and press Execute instead of just pressing the Z shortcut to execute, I’ve found.

[manic linden]

for me, it ONLY works if both teams execute queued command

... so bad

im kinda stuck on the postman mission. theres 1 enemy hidden somewhere and i cant find them

[native rune]

This too ^ sometimes it only seems to work if both teams have a queued order

It’s been an issue for a really long time, kinda baffling that it wasn’t even touched.

[astral warren]

There's a few interior areas that aren't very easy to find. I think there's like a rec room with some chairs and coffee machines and a few cheeseburgers in it that can have a guy.

[native rune]

For me there’s always a dude hiding outside the building that’s an immediate right from spawn, the one with the windows and the door leading into the warehouse out back

[random forge]

bro

that final mission is deadass the best mission in the game (story wise)

i hope we get more fisa vs LSPD moments

[native rune]

Yeah because it’s the only map that has traditional story elements. As in, conflict, and, a main character that reacts to stuff

[random forge]

was not expecting a container full of trafficked people but hey, colour me surprised

[random forge]

tbf, he only reacts when the container is opened

thats abt it, but it was pretty cool playing through the mission tho

i hope they add more story maps like that

they will, right?

[native rune]

Nobody knows

[random forge]

damn

[manic linden]

im in the school shooting mission, and i literally got shoved into the fucking locker by ai. im stuck in the texture

full release btw

🤓

[umbral oar]

Accurate school depiction of getting shoved into a locker by a bully

[manic linden]

haha

[native rune]

Thanks to ai mods I finally have to actually bother checking these closets

[manic linden]

do mods disable achievements ?

that school shootign mission is fucking tedium cancer with those bombs... what an idiotic design

[native rune]

No

[manic linden]

what other mods do you recommend

[novel horizon]

How are you attempting to clear the mission? The method I use works pretty well

[manic linden]

i just goi 1 by 1. problem is locations of the bombs and i dont even know how they look like lol

[native rune]

Surefire flashlights is very good, better reticle, visceral blood, astral’s ai is what I’m testing right now

Gunfighter is good for other guns, ballistics, new grenades

[manic linden]

ooo reticles yess !!!! theyre so shit in this game

[novel horizon]

They make an audible beeping noise when you're near them. What I do is rush the building and take out the active shooters until Bring Order to Chaos is complete and then I worry about bombs and then finally I actually secure civilians

The shooters will shoot civs and trying to detain civs will waste your time for defusing bombs

[manic linden]

@native rune
"swat and suspect ai overhaul" ?

[manic linden]

true

[novel horizon]

Your list of priorities of Elephant should be:
Hostiles
Bombs
Civilians

I've seen people say you get 11 minutes to defuse bombs, but I just sprint that gauntlet in case it's closer to 5 minutes

[umbral oar]

you can tell the civvies to escape while you do your thing

[novel horizon]

I did not know that, but that's a handy tip

[manic linden]

how @umbral oar

[novel horizon]

I'm assuming the "Move to Exit" command

[umbral oar]

middle click on them while theyre surrendered and hit 5

[manic linden]

i didnt know command menu works on them too

[novel horizon]

Yeah you can order complying civs and suspects

I most often use this ability to get them to move out of a really bad spot for restraining them

[manic linden]

so you dont get penalized for mods at all?

[novel horizon]

Most that happens is "Mod Detected: Unofficial Score" at the scoring screen

[manic linden]

but u still get scoring tho ?

[novel horizon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic linden]

in commander mode

[novel horizon]

I did Commander completely vanilla. I wanted my official score

[umbral oar]

i used visceral blood for my whole run and it worked fine

[manic linden]

i only found 2 fucking bombs. man this is actually cancer

oh and mods fuck up the scores too. so u cant use them in commander mode..

my game still says "modded" despite unsubbing and clearing mod.io cache... am i permanently fucked now ?

[stable kernel]

Mods to not change your ability to get scores, or prevent them from being saved. Follow the instructions in #❓modding-faq-archive to fully uninstall mods, and avoid using mod.io in the future

[warm orchid]

You can still use mods in commander mode. Mods don't lock achievements, if thats what you're worried about.

[novel horizon]

Elephant should only have two bombs

[manic linden]

it can definitely spawn more. the first 3 times ive done it something exploded after defusing 2. objective wasnt completed either

[novel horizon]

I've literally only ever seen 2

[manic linden]

they do affect scores.

yeah i deleted the mod.io folder and it fixed the problem. thanks

[manic linden]

well it gives you an unofficial score which i dont think counts towards progress

[stable kernel]

Unofficial score is just text on the screen. It means literally nothing and does literally nothing

Same goes for the modded save text on commander mode

[manic linden]

hmm ill test it out again. thanks for letting me know

[warm orchid]

Yeah the modded text doesn't actually do anything. Your scores still get saved and you still unlock achievements. I got most of the achievements in the game with mods enabled, including all the achievements based around getting ranks in levels (like "The Decaying City" or "Medal of Valor"). So there's no need to panic. You can still get those achievements

[daring flame]

how are the bombs a problem

you have 12 minutes to defuse them thats more than enough time

[manic linden]

just couldnt find them

[manic linden]

thanks for confirming

[spiral garden]

[modest heron]

i just did rust belt rev only and didnt get the achievement : (

[night pasture]

did you

give your teammates the rev

[modest heron]

i have the no swat

[night pasture]

the mod?

[modest heron]

yes

[night pasture]

then it won't work you goober

[modest heron]

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[mystic walrus]

Goofy goober

[drifting fog]

im trying pistol only on every map n neon tomb is the only one im stuck on

bombers are actually so horrible to deal with

[gaunt turtle]

about to attempt ides of march alone

no AI

[gaunt turtle]

John Wick ova here

[drifting fog]

patrol officer build

no ai g19 only

[drifting fog]

ides of march was surprisingly not that bad

just had to take it really slow

no way bro i was like 90 percent done with the map and got flanked by a bomber

made eye contact with bro while reloading

[empty epoch]

when i was doing neon tomb ironman mode one of my officers almost died to a bomber, luckily he shot him when the bomber was infront of him

[uncut cliff]

is there anything i can do to maximize performance of the game

[high oxide]

has there been any discussion around "hero" civilians and adding them to the game?

the dude with the concealed carry who decides to "help"

[frail quartz]

I mean, doesn't it state in the tutorial that it's SWAT protocol to restrain everyone on scene regardless of whether they seem 'good' or 'bad' so they can sort out who's actually involved later?

(Totally not a repost from a suggestion thread)
I thought of armed civilians before, but I envisioned them being more of a threat to the player than an actual ally. I imagined that, since they're on high alert from the life threatening scenario they're in, they could mistakenly fire upon the SWAT in a panic unless you make yourself known or stun them before they can do anything

Although simply seeing them with standing a gun would be good enough of a challenge to force players to ID the target before shooting

[twin citrus]

these are the common bomb spots if you need help

lecture hall table
the tables at the top of stairs
the table in the cafeteria
the 2 left-hand science classrooms upstairs
the counter in the right-hand room upstairs
the computer lab
the little lounge near the back of the building

i havent seen bombs in any other rooms that i can remember

[craggy yew]

Security room too if I remember right

[twin citrus]

theres a security room?

you mean the storage closet that the guard sometimes spawns in?

[craggy yew]

No it’s dark with servers

[vestal mauve]

I thought that was a computer lab lol

[craggy yew]

Idk I’m not the elephant man

I’m officer thirst

[stable kernel]

It most definitely is a computer lab

[tepid wigeon]

Which chat is the best one to send Ready Or Not screenshots?

[prime wing]

ron media

[tepid wigeon]

Thanks

I can buy you mcdonalds

[fervent surge]

Is it just me or is practise mode way harder than commander? When I play practise the AI is deadly accurate and is very aggressive. Commander more felt almost like easy mode

[tepid wigeon]

One thing I like with practice mode, is that you can restart after dying

And to answer your question, Idk, I haven't thought about it

@velvet fjord let's talk here instead, what is the VKS? I don't know the weapons names, bought this game only a few days ago

[bitter mason]

I never noticed a difference
You don't get special character abilities in practice but idk how impactful they really are anyways

[craggy yew]

I mean being able to respawn is a worthwhile trade off

Or restart is a better word

[bitter mason]

Yeah I always use practice anyways
Being able to restart freely is just waaay better

Not too fond of commander mode

[frail quartz]

It's a non-lethal weapon that launches pepperballs to blind and stun suspects. Although it has a much faster firerate and uses magazines unlike the beanbag shotgun, it may take multiple shots until a suspect actually surrenders

[tepid wigeon]

The one with a orange, stock, magazine and handle?

[frail quartz]

Yup

[tepid wigeon]

Okay, I thought it was that one, but wanted to be sure, yeah, used it as well, but I prefer beanbag shotgun, cause they give up much quicker with the shotgun

[shell saddle]

where is my 40mm rubber baton launcher?

[frail quartz]

Same here, I find it to be more consistent

[shell saddle]

The swat 4 "you will fkin surrender" gun

[tepid wigeon]

Many have even started running while I mag dump them with the VKS, like how can they run when their eyes are burning and got problem breathing?

[frail quartz]

yeah, the 1.0 update nerfed pepper/teargas so that suspects are still able to move while disoriented

[shell saddle]

yeah the gas nerf is so bad, barely worthwhile now

[tepid wigeon]

Didn't own the game before the 1.0 update, but heard a couple of bad things, like one was that you could kill suspects that pretended to lay down their guns and still get an S rank, but now you have to arrest literally every suspect

[velvet fjord]

It’s a non lethal option. Shoots pepper balls to disorient suspects. Mb for being late lol. I wasn’t on my phone or pc.

[tepid wigeon]

I prefer beanbag shotgun, they give up much easier

[velvet fjord]

Yes. Since they can move while stunned it’s hard to control them.

[sharp fox]

do the bombs actually go off in the elephant mission

[shy tulip]

There's one way to find out

[gaunt turtle]

yes and everyone dies inside the building

[tepid wigeon]

Idk, wait 30 min

[tepid wigeon]

Cool

[prime wing]

You mean that... le bomb... le kills people?

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

[gaunt turtle]

i am become death

[cunning elk]

Hold my hat

[shadow falcon]

Anyone else having absurd download sizes for patches that should be pretty tiny?

[umbral oar]

damn they had to put a psa

[shadow falcon]

Well thats annoying

Ah well. Thanks for the info

Not like I need to update the game anyways cuz it barely runs for me 🙃

[patent hearth]

I have discovered a new meta. If playing multiplayer with your buds, any level where you're not dealing with body armor, a single 357 snubnose JHP to the chest instantly incaps everyone 100% of the time.

without killing them. just S'd greased palms with my buds doing it.

[daring flame]

how did you s rank with lethal?

[patent hearth]

because a single chest shot to an unarmored target with the 357 snubnose JHP doesn't kill people. It incaps them.

doesn't count as lethal

[daring flame]

oh so you got lucky nice

[patent hearth]

no, it works reliably, 100% of the time.

as long as you don't hit them in the head, and you only hit them once.

[daring flame]

how?

[patent hearth]

what do you mean how? click on torsos.

[daring flame]

you're telling me every suspect is strong enough to not die from a 357 jhp?

[patent hearth]

apparently, surprised us, too

[daring flame]

strange

[patent hearth]

but as long as they're not armored, 357 snubnose w/jhps, one tap to the chest, they immediately go down, incapped, not dead.

[daring flame]

im pretty sure

[patent hearth]

100% of the time.

[daring flame]

a 357 jhp to the chest

is a kill shot most of the time irl

[patent hearth]

in real life that would make you absolutely need some milk.

you'd be surprised how survivable gunshots are on the whole though.

provided you get assistance quick. dudes live being perforated with multiple rifle and pistol rounds all the time.

[daring flame]

luck of the draw

[patent hearth]

pretty much. there are absolutely places you can hit people that will instantly kill them. that's where the myth of stopping power comes from.

[daring flame]

stopping power myth?

[patent hearth]

yes, stopping power is a myth.

[daring flame]

i dont think so

[patent hearth]

i'm a defensive firearms instructor. stopping power is a myth.

this has been known for decades.

you are no more likely to instantly kill someone with a 50ae desert eagle than you are with a 9mm. it's about shot placement and volume.

[daring flame]

obviously if you shoot someone in the head they're gonna die

[patent hearth]

if you do not hit any of the off buttons, the person will not drop.

[patent hearth]

yes, but within reason that's the same for pretty much any cartridge. a 25acp will do just as well as a 44mag if you hit someone in the head from close range.

[jolly verge]

It's will incap only on maps with no extra health, on all others it's always 2 shot, and you wont get S rank for incap, only with mods

[patent hearth]

well, specifically if you hit someone in the brain case or brain stem.

[daring flame]

are we talking about STOPPING or killing?

two different things

[patent hearth]

bullshit. You don't get any penalty for actual incaps.

[patent hearth]

either one.

[daring flame]

ok so the topic was stopping power

[jolly verge]

you get 5 point for dead and incap suspect

[patent hearth]

stopping power is a myth.

[daring flame]

everyone is entitled to their own opinion

[jolly verge]

instead of 35 for surrendered

[patent hearth]

you are no more likely to instantly stop someone with a 50AE desert eagle than you are with a 9mm.

[daring flame]

hmm

[patent hearth]

in order to do this, you need to hit an off button. brain case, brain stem, spinal cord, heart, or an artery that is high enough pressure to bleed you out before you hit the ground.

nothing besides the head or brain stem is truly garunteed.

[daring flame]

soldiers call them switches 🤓

found that out yesterday

[patent hearth]

not only does caliber not matter in that case (within reason), but you are actually more likely to get that effect with a reasonably sized gun because you're not going to flinch, you have more capacity, and more ability to put volume into the target.

[daring flame]

alright

lets say

you're in a firefight and you only have 3 bullets, would you choose a .22 or a .40?

you need to stop them not kill them

[patent hearth]

.22 all day long, even if the goal is to kill them.

i drive tacks with .22lr pistols.

[daring flame]

alright im done

do you have a ccw?

[patent hearth]

not that i need one in this state, but yes.

assuming you're talking about licensing here

[daring flame]

nothing wrong with keeping yourself safe

a ccw not the license

[patent hearth]

oh yes, in that case

[daring flame]

what caliber?

[patent hearth]

9mm.

[daring flame]

good choice. i carry a 380 cause its more concealable

[patent hearth]

G19 roland special.

[daring flame]

i have a beretta 92fs too

[daring flame]

looks nice, how do you like the sight?

[patent hearth]

i run a holosun EPS on mine. it's quite nice. I run dots on all my pistols.

i don't even run cowitness backup irons anymore.

[daring flame]

i heard some people say dots on pistols are more for training but others say otherwise and daily carry with a dot

[patent hearth]

irons are inferior in every way if you have any amount of training.

[daring flame]

i agree

faster target acquisition is more important

[native rune]

I think iron sights look cooler and unlike the irons on rifles, the pistol irons aren’t looking through a plastic straw of space

[patent hearth]

neither are modern red dots. The real problem with irons is that three plane focus is not natural for the human eye to do. dots aid GREATLY in both eyes open aiming, which increases your situational awareness, because you can be target focused.

when properly sighting through a dot, you don't see the housing at all, it blurs away and you basically just see a dot floating out in space.

it is very hard to explain without experiencing it.

with irons, you need to focus such that the rear sight is blurry, the front sight is in focus, and the target is blurry. this is not natural for the human eye to do quickly without a LOT of practice.

[daring flame]

did devs fix being able to shoot by switching weapons in multiplayer lobby?

[jolly verge]

Nope, same for pistol with shield

[idle grove]

is there a mod add key combination support for RON? i want ctrl+RMB for the secondary sight instead of only one bottom

just played arma reforger, i found ctrl+RMB is better, but RON doesnt support key combination output

[mental fable]

@plain osprey Hi bro, welcome back

[copper cypress]

Is it reasonable that I couldn't use a pepper gun to get two suspects wearing bomb vests to surrender in a nightclub? It seems like they can only be killed😐

[stable kernel]

If you have SWAT members too close to the vest suspects, they can bug out and not be able to surrender. Keep them stunned with beanbag/pepper and get everyone to back away and they then will be able to surrender.

[copper cypress]

Okay, I will try it.

[mortal ore]

You can also use taser like I do for my less lethal load out. Will Guarantee stopping a suspect and almost always comply

[stable kernel]

Not the bugged vest guys. I tried once with pepper, beanbags, and taser going constantly and they never surrendered because the team was too close. But otherwise yes

[mortal ore]

Really? For me (I don’t use pepper at all cause I’m my opinion it’s the worst outta the less lethal family) beanbag and taser is always a success when I use them on bomb guys

Maybe just I never got a bugged out bomber. That or my fireteams always just use lethal before I reach them

[manic linden]

its just fucking cancer to go through all of that while rushing, saving hostages and not getting shot is all im saying.

but the tip to tell civvies to run away is actually amazing. i didnt know this was a feature. its really nice not having to hold F constantly to do stuff

im glad they improved the quality of life with 1.0 release, where you dont have to spend a minute on each npc to tell them to get down twice, then hold f to arrest, then hold f to report

surprising for that school shooter map, the p90 and that other super fast smg are op to be honest. targets go down really fast lol

[kindred temple]

mp7 you mean?

[strange fiber]

so are death sounds supposed to be muted in gameplay? i hardly hear them in game except when a suspect is faking their death or in replay mode

[patent vortex]

take care , coz sometimes at the entrance , (the exemple of security guys civies in neon) , the runners are not cuffed at the entrance and you need to cuff them for finish, if you are in the hopital mission and come back at the entrance , nice walk... and if you dont remember, you pass all the time in the map for find the last civ, but he s at the entrance. happends to me i prefer cuff them

and sometimes they are stuck on stairs or in spot when hitboxes are not perfect

[manic linden]

mpx i believe. it shoots so fast.. recoil gets bad after 15 bullets tho

[manic linden]

but thats the point tho. once they run to the "officers" outside they get auto saved ?

or do you mean its not reliable because they get stuck ?

[patent vortex]

yess normally civs, they auto cuff and you saw in the objectives feed (at bottom of the screen), but for me the security guys of neon tomb no auto cuff, and sometimes randoms civs get stuck in random spots or stairs , u listen them run but stuck (not all) , just take care and remember who is running away

i think (never happends to me) an suspect can take hostage a running aways civ mb idk

yesterday happends to me a thing unique in my 200hrs of game, a suspect run to a civ, and instantly kill him, front of me , anyone saw this ?

the ai type is (gangster) and in the post office corrupted mission

i mean i saw guys take hostage, but they wait a little time before hit the civ, here no , he takes the civ and shoot direct after

[lost inlet]

yeah dont use the mpx the dev butchered it

[manic linden]

its fun tho. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[lost inlet]

i meant the recoil is significantly worse than the other 9mm smg

[compact sequoia]

which vest do you guys pick as the default for your swat drip?

[manic linden]

true ye

[willow egret]

i don't know what games are you playing, but this is usually not the case for the games i play.

at least not to that extend.

they see thorugh reflective windows, sometimes through windows with blinds and even solid objects.
that combined with superhuman reactiontime make the gameplay very frustrating sometimes.

[stable lagoon]

Modern gamers when they have to be aware of the details in the environment.

[daring flame]

tarkov does this

[sharp fox]

can we add frags to the game without me having to find mods for it

[shy pike]

SWAT doesn’t use frag grenades

[sharp fox]

i know but it’d be funny if frag grenades were added in

[bitter mason]

Nuh uh

[sharp fox]

yuh uh

[copper cypress]

Superhuman reaction time? I don't think so. I think the response time is sufficient.

[copper cypress]

If they can, they can also equip an armored vehicle. Then load the cannon lmao

[bitter mason]

Maybe in the Russian expansion

[copper cypress]

The quickest way is to just blow up the entire building🤣

[oak copper]

when pvp?

[copper cypress]

🔜

[shy pike]

I’ve thought about the idea of frags but SWAT’s main mission is not to kill people. They’ll want to avoid killing people as much as possible

[bitter mason]

The game already is leaning into a military shoot everyone game
Needs less shooting and killing and more focus on ROE and arresting

[sharp fox]

everyone loves killing + everyone loves explosions = frag grenades

🤩

[stable lagoon]

I agree.

[earnest phoenix]

i genuienly cannot remember getting uuof/uuodf even once unless i executed a guy that was on his knees since 1.0. the roe absolutely needs to be harsher

it feels like the default roe is the old raid mode one

[shy pike]

Hard to not kill armed people when they usually just ignore your commands to drop the weapon and instead proceed to aim at you tbh

[undone valve]

I'm surprised my method of engagement hasn't chnaged at all, even with this AI

even though I know they're gonna shoot at me, I still choose to give them the benefit of the doubt

would be really nice to have them surrender without taking a beanbag to the chest though

[craggy yew]

Ready or not has rotten my brain heavily to the point that I’m judging cop shows

[shy pike]

Same, always do it just in case they do decide they don’t have a death wish. Personally find it pretty dumb how literally every suspect even if they’re just normal criminals decide they want to die rather than surrendering to a SWAT team.

[undone valve]

I've only ever had 1 person surrender straight up

except it was a fake surrender and he pulled a pistol, so he got shot

so I don't think it counts

[shy pike]

I’ve had a few but for the most part they’d just rather die

I wish there was a non lethal sidearm though. I know there’s a taser but it’s hard to tase somebody who’s trying to shoot you as compared to shooting them with pepper balls or beanbags

[craggy yew]

I think it would be cool for certain gun to be considered “scarier” like the m1014 is more intimidating than a PDW

[fallow sage]

[insert buzz lightyear gif here]

[willow egret]

i realized that sometimes the ADS zoom stops working.
is that a bug or somehow related to taken damage?

[tacit gull]

It can break, yes, what i know causes it is using the tablet

[willow egret]

oh, yeah. i was using the tablet. ty.

[ruby talon]

Try Astrals AI mod

[hardy plinth]

It's honestly one of the things that kills the game most for me

[undone valve]

I haven't had as many fake surrenders recently though, which is good

[hardy plinth]

What I was expecting when I started playing is that you need quick analysing skills and reaction speeds to gauge whether you should fire or not

On top of suspects always choosing to fight no matter the odds, suspects are usually very easy to recognise and I don't think you even get a score deduction for hitting a civilian with a non-lethal when they're not complying

[hardy plinth]

Yeah they increased the time period for them to get up

[tacit gull]

Civilians don't comply for about 3 seconds anyway, so you don't even have to

[sharp fox]

quick question
what mod do i gotta download to get magnifiers on my guns

[hardy plinth]

"nuh uh I'm not listening to y- OK IM LISTENING DON'T SHOOT"

[undone valve]

I like the suspect voicelines where they magdump a SWAT team and then claim innocence when you arrest them

[hardy plinth]

"I still get to keep the money right"

[tacit gull]

Astral's AI revamp is pretty crazy, so many actions i didn't even know were possible in all the time i played the game

[hardy plinth]

Me and my friend should get it then

[tacit gull]

I didn't even know suspects have a quickpull animation if they have a holstered gun when they see you

[hardy plinth]

Yeah they often pull it out so slowly lol

Like I wouldn't notice if they do it slow enough

[tacit gull]

It turns ides of march from one of the worst playing maps in the game to one of the best

you have very lethal AI that have good equipment and have tons of hiding spots to surprise you

[hardy plinth]

That one felt impossible before the hotfix after 1.0

I just played with my friend

[tacit gull]

I didn't have much trouble with it, it still played like ass though

[undone valve]

I haven't been able to S rank ides yet, and I have no idea why

I mean obviously because I suck

[hardy plinth]

Light armor, and enough gas

That's how me and my friend did it

[tacit gull]

All it takes is to find the guy with the machine gun and the level is as good as over

either your entire team gets wallbanged or you get him in alive

[undone valve]

I just seem to be getting 7 guys all spawning in the circular hallway, so I can't wedge all the doors

[tacit gull]

the hallway is probably the best place they can spawn actually

Cause if they're in the rooms they can jolt out at any time and flank you

[hardy plinth]

Don't bring an smg

It's better to bring a long range AR or a shotgun

[undone valve]

I go for S rank so it's beanbag all the way

[hardy plinth]

Beanbag will do it then

[undone valve]

actually my problem is just that I suck

once things go slightly out of control I just panic 😭

[tacit gull]

Astral's also seems to make armor stop beanbags, so the pepperball launcher actually has more use

[tepid wigeon]

I can't even come close now to an S rank on Valley Of The Dolls, the screenshot I sent on "ron-media" was my only shot

[tacit gull]

It gets to the point where you need to apply your guns on a per-suspect basis

[undone valve]

I was close to getting it but some of the last 2 guys rushed me in the basement for no reason

[wheat pelican]

why is ron showing my PC Desktop name and not my steam name lol

showing desktop-xxxx-xx rather my steam name

[tepid wigeon]

I bet that map is the hardest one to get S rank

Been trying over 20 times now

[copper cypress]

Under what circumstances will using a short-barreled shotgun not break the doorknob? I sometimes make a hole in the door when using a short-barreled shotgun.

[undone valve]

I feel like greased palms is gonna be my hardest

[tepid wigeon]

The only hard with that map is that it is huge

[undone valve]

it's huge and the main package place has a ton of random angles that you get shot from

gassing the whole building kinda seems like the meta for that one

[tacit gull]

Shooting the doorknob instead of the door blocks the breaching shotgun since its hitbox appears to be separate

[tepid wigeon]

Yeah, and you would need a lot of gas

[undone valve]

I should have enough gas

probably way too much, actually

3 grenades for me, 4 for every AI, and 2 AI with launchers

21 instances of gas 😭

only problem is that you can't really get AI to throw gas everywhere, so I think I went kinda overkill

[tacit gull]

Have they fixed AI only being able to use the launchers once?

[undone valve]

don't think so

that's why I'm only counting launchers as 1 thing of gas

[tepid wigeon]

I hope they update RON soon

[mystic walrus]

Who uses gas anyways

Real men go tazer only

[copper cypress]

Oh~ thanks

[hardy plinth]

This is how I did it:

Go in through the main entrance and clear the entire top floor

Also clear out that staircase area along the large window and wedge the door at the bottom of it

This leads to a bridge that goes over a large area downstairs

You wanna avoid this room as much as possible, especially when entering from this angle

When you did all this, you go back outside and enter from downstairs on the middle floor with the bar area. Clear out this entire floor before moving on the the bottom floor.

Try to clear out the bottom floor but don't go too far into the living room where you will be surrounded by windows, this is the room with that bridge above it

When you've done this, go back to the middle floor with Vol's office, from which you can exit the house and enter this gardening area

And from here you can take a staircase that leads down to the Vol gooncave

Clear out the cave and go back up using the other staircase that leads up to the pool area and try to clear up the rest of the enemies

It may not be the most effective method but it's what worked for me and my friend after many attempts

[tepid wigeon]

Man, I tried all of the possible methods multiple times and kept dying. I've given up for the Hawaiian shirt.

[balmy locust]

note to self: dont use the breaching shotgun as a weapon

[tepid wigeon]

I DID IT! I PASSED VALLEY OF THE DOLLS AND GOT THE HAWAIIAN SHIRT!!!

[round zephyr]

Gentlemen I am happy to report that I just completed the Hermit and that was the last achievement. Now I shall do all of the stupid things like pistols only and try some mods

[tepid wigeon]

👍🏻

[round zephyr]

definitely the bestest shirt 🫡

[tepid wigeon]

Fr

[paper imp]

What’s that mission called where you arrest a furry? I thought that I completed all missions

Didn’t see it though

[livid sluice]

Quick question but during active shooting scenarios (elephant, neon tomb, etc etc) will they shoot civilians?