👮ron-discussion

[tight frigate]

tbh they really need to nerf the explosion distance at least just a little bit, there was a time in MP where me and my buddy was clearing downstairs on neon and the bomb vest killed my squad mate who triggered him, and me, 15 feet away from the detonation behind a wall
or maybe i just don’t know ballistics and have a skill issue idk

[uncut nacelle]

yall know some typical WARNINGS before vid?

[patent vortex]

is not like bombs ? if he detonate, all dies ? , i thinked
only happends 1 time to me but he rush on me, now i always shoot him on the knees

[gilded spear]

Quick question, is there a new level of gore in the game? because two friends of mine and i just played the spider with me using a shotgun and i headshot a suspect and instead of the head just "disappearing" we instead could see, that his face was blown of and the skull was exposed underneath.

(no mods installed btw.)

[hasty oak]

yes

[tough spire]

Wait new as in post 1.0?

[hexed granite]

new face meat graphic, yeah

the horrors of guns in a cqb environment for $50? splendid

[wintry lotus]

That’s great. I like that so much more than a shotgun making heads disappear from reality

[hexed granite]

i hope the next meat gore thing is caved in torsos.

they already have some skeletonized gore if you shoot them in the hand

[wintry lotus]

Is there a noticeable difference from buckshot and slug wounds?

[grave kite]

buckshot will explode a head

slug will only destroy a face

ngl i love the feeling when halfway into a commander playthrough I tell the squad to ram the door but a trap expldoes all four of them

[tough spire]

omg quit ramming unchecked doors 😂

[grave kite]

i was going through the mission with memory

and in all the 30 tries I did in a playthrough with restarts I never enocuntered a trap in this particular place

i also love ramming

[tough spire]

There's a few doozies, which map was it? Brisa?

[grave kite]

yep

[tough spire]

Was it a closet?

[grave kite]

no

1204 door

[hexed granite]

lole, weirdest traps on brisa were the studio and the bathrooms

[tough spire]

Interesting! The surprise closet traps are what get me sometimes.

[grave kite]

true

[tough spire]

All the major doors can have them for sure

[grave kite]

yeah

but i never ever in the every try i had encountered a trap in there

[tough spire]

Well, you know what you do when you assume...

[vestal mauve]

That's why I use the breaching shotgun and open stuff from a distance

[tough spire]

That's the second most fun way for sure.

[grave kite]

i have most fun playing with friends but when they are not on and I wanna play ready or not I only have singleplayer there

thankfully i cheated my team's death

i did not die and instead of retreating i quit to main menu and my team saved 🙏

i only lost my beloved ram breacher

[tough spire]

It's going to be a sad day when Void figures out how to anti-save scum

[vestal mauve]

Good
Play the damn game as intended

[hexed granite]

we can stop save scumming when they can fix the Ai a bit more 😏

[tough spire]

If anything this patch you should never have to save scum

[hexed granite]

yar

[wintry lotus]

My favourite moment was playing A Lethal Obsession for the first time and ordering my AI to C2 a door not realizing there was trap

[grave kite]

i actually use a better AI mod but they are still stupid

[hexed granite]

well okay, besides from frozen SWAT AI, the suspect ai is tolerable

[wintry lotus]

I totally thought the AI blew themselves up from C2 until I realized traps existed

[vestal mauve]

The ai is much more manageable now

[wintry lotus]

The worst part of AI is getting stuck in doorways because of them

[grave kite]

i remember my first time on lethal obsession with friends

[vestal mauve]

Yeah the Unabomber cabin is a wake up level

[hexed granite]

i think about this sometimes. ive definitely died to my own c2 before, but thats not supposed to happen, right?

[grave kite]

there was the one try we breached the door without knowing about traps

[tough spire]

I don't save scum but also I don't care about any of my bots (and now my ironman run is over so who cares about that one)

[vestal mauve]

I mean, c2 is still an explosive
I wouldn't be trying to kiss it as it detonates

[grave kite]

then every other approach was like: "hey there is a trap in here, im disarming dont wa-" and then we all are dead

[night notch]

how many missions should i try to complete before testing waters in public servers?

[hexed granite]

gamified wise, it usually doesnt damage u

[tough spire]

Only a couple. People are pretty all over the place as far as skill goes in there

[night notch]

k thanks

[normal trout]

if i start a ironman run will it keep my regular saves?

[vestal mauve]

Nothing like one dude dying stupidly a minute in and asking us to restart the entire round

[cursive sky]

you have 3 save slots

[grave kite]

if you mean practice mode saves, then yes but you will have to turn it via practice mode button

[tough spire]

It only deletes the save you're playing it in

[tough spire]

As long as you know the basic mechanics you'll be fine 🙂

[cursive sky]

does anyone know if the suspects on neon tomb with the bomb vests

if you shoot them, will they blow up? not the civilian bomb vests

[hexed granite]

civi bomb vest have killswitch, suspects dont

which is kinda weird, but ok tho

[bright valley]

it's the only way i can feel alive

[umbral oar]

do more years on the job actually mean anything

[cursive sky]

my messages keep getting deleted

am i saying something that is getting auto censored?

[tough spire]

Probably saying a naughty.

[willow glen]

As a shaped charge it shouldn’t unless you’re dumbass levels of close

[bright valley]

probably the word for killing oneself.

[tough spire]

An Hero.

[cursive sky]

thats very annoying because of the way neon tomb suspects operate

[tough spire]

The automod is comically tone deaf for the server.

[hexed granite]

just tested it, after 6 doses of kissing c2, im still alive

[cursive sky]

okay, here's my other question;
does anyone besides the hand leader 💀 himself with a 🔫 besides the 💣 vest suspects?

[hexed granite]

i only really died to my own c2 in mindjot, but i dont think they trap it there

[bright valley]

you can pretty directly refer to them shooting themselves or blowing themselves up, it's just the formal term that gets filtered.

[tough spire]

WAIT WHAT. If you tase someone who is refusing to comply because they take out a phone and are taking photos of you it counts as unauthorized used of force!?

[river bluff]

fucking AI aint cleaning more proof

😭

[tough spire]

Art.

[bright valley]

people with phones out are already surrendered, you can restrain them in the middle of the animation

[hexed granite]

yeah, but apparently AI can restrain them mid animation

[tough spire]

Da fuq 😂

[wintry lotus]

Is there any reason to run anything besides Ballastic masks and shields on AI?

[cursive sky]

I've had the hand leader 💀 himself with a 🔫 after surrendering causing you to fail the objective

[cursive sky]

are you doing non lethal? pepperballs will count as friendly fire, as will gas grenades.

[hexed granite]

a 320 gives them a few more "throwables"

[bright valley]

well, one more

they're bugged and don't know how to reload the launchers

[hexed granite]

does the gas mask have ballistic properties still like pre 1.0 or no?

[hexed granite]

oh lol they didnt fix it, dumb

[bright valley]

according to mmmm's testing, no

[hexed granite]

probably for the best

[wintry lotus]

Fully non lethal sucks

[tough spire]

Sir I'mma need you to narrate all your texts with as many emojis as possible while remaining coherent dialogue. Thanks.

[cursive sky]

also the AI will tank with the shield but if you give them no ammo they wont ever switch off of it.

[bright valley]

honestly i wear the gas mask even when i don't need it 'cause i like the look of the thing lol

[tough spire]

Hard disagree. Tasers only is the most fun way to play this patch.

[hexed granite]

tbh full non lethal is kinda fun because youre juggling between different suspects with differing levels of compliance rather than just game-ending them on the spot

and i say fun up until they just shrug off a beanbag or a taser

[bright valley]

duo co-op with one beanbag shotgun user and one vks user would probably be fun

[hexed granite]

and i mean, doing the funny schut everything is also fun, but it gets tiring after a bit

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[cursive sky]

when the 💣 vest suspects refuse to comply with the 🌶️ and the ⚡ 🔫 , and still decides to 💥

[tough spire]

I love you.

[bright valley]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[hexed granite]

💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯

[limber jungle]

Hi all! I want to buy a game, but I'm not sure if I can enjoy playing solo? Is there anything to do alone?

[hexed granite]

👁️ 💀 ☝️

[tough spire]

Dang that's a whole mood right there.

[tough spire]

It's very enjoyable both solo and with friends.

[hexed granite]

definitely bruv, they revamped the SWAT AI to provide a more immersive expeirence

[cursive sky]

if you like achivement hunting and you hate 'mod detected, unofficial score' you'll love to play the singleplayer campaign

[hexed granite]

being killed by a civilian is wild. there was only 1 attempt, but i instantly ended her

[wintry lotus]

I can’t convince any friends to buy the game and I enjoy the hell out of it

[tough spire]

Make friends to play with here.

[hexed granite]

idek what caused it? did too many civilians in the area die around me or were they stressed out by c2 and 9 bangs

[tough spire]

Do it coward. Be social.

[cursive sky]

i have not had anyone ever die to a c2 💥 after 1.0

they get knocked out, but they always get back up

[hexed granite]

mfw a directional charge doesnt kill anyone in intended direction, but kills me because reasons

💯 💯 💯🫣

[bright valley]

Really wanted the blue but didn't want to go full 90s. Studies indicate it's the police uniform color that's regarded as the friendliest/least forceful.

[hexed granite]

mfw they include multicam black 👽

full aggression

[tough spire]

https://www.bhg.com/news/navy-blue-relaxing-color/

[cursive sky]

i think the 9 bangers from the gunfighter mod dont seem to consistiently work on npcs, they work on me though 😦

[tough spire]

"We're here to hug you" Navy Blue

[wintry lotus]

Sounds great until I die immediately and feel bad that strangers have to carry me through a game

[hexed granite]

oh hell no they don't. i believe its just a morale killer, but it hasa VERY small radius of affect

but it shure as hell looks cool

[cursive sky]

you can't unlock some of the achievements in multiplayer. only in singleplayer.

[tough spire]

I've never entered a lobby here where that was a problem tbh

[foggy zinc]

works for me lol, it bounces all over the place and has a decent AOE, maybe im just lucky

[bright valley]

lol. In all seriousness I do like to lean into the image of being more professional/focused on the life-saving goal rather than being a tacticool death squad.

[cursive sky]

does anyone bother to use Q and E for leaning

[hexed granite]

yeah, the tradeoff is that it has a small AOE but since theres an interval, it has a more narrow/linear overall AOE

[tough spire]

You would.

[hexed granite]

but i use the old 9bang where it rapidly detonates, not the slower interval one

[cursive sky]

i've always used L Alt and A and D to lean

[hexed granite]

the games only form of dropshotting at the moment

[bright valley]

what's that supposed to mean lmao

[tough spire]

I do when moving

[bright valley]

I use toggle Q/E lean when pieing (pying?)

[hexed granite]

it helps when pie moving, and it has worked when ur slowwith it, especially +ctrl

[tough spire]

π'ing.

[cursive sky]

🥧

[bright valley]

Kinda helps that it doubles as steady aiming

[bright valley]

It's a pie!

[tough spire]

You are my favorite person today.

[hexed granite]

so about the gore, ive been noticing some weird bulging sometimes, like it makes a new fleshy mass

[tough spire]

Hot?

[hexed granite]

eugh?

[tough spire]

That's probably the better word.

[tough spire]

I like that it slows you down, too. But maybe that's weird.

[cursive sky]

i remember seeing on reddit some guy managed to replace all of the civ and suspect names so they dont appear unknown and they they say 'generic suspect 01' or they'll say Amos Voll or their actual name. does anyone know how to do that

[bright valley]

You don't want to pie faster than you can process the information in front of you, so I think it's fine.

[hexed granite]

edit the excel files i believe

those include the subtitles but that'll be tedious (unless u know how to do excel, then congratulations)

[cursive sky]

i've gotten it to say 'suspect' for suspects and 'unknown' for civies, but idk how to get it for like the unique suspects

like to be able to identify the hand leader would be nice

[tough spire]

It all makes sense now. I'm a slow moving stealthy player because I'm old and my reflexes suck.

[hexed granite]

ok is it just me, or does the generic civilian acting sound so off.

[hexed granite]

in all honesty, how WOULD u know.

[bright valley]

There's a real mixed bag of good voice acting and baaaad voice acting in the game

[cursive sky]

some of the unique suspects have very different fits in relation to their generic suspect counterparts

[tough spire]

We have perp information on our arm-cellphone.

[hexed granite]

and i think he just sounds like everyone else, but has a specific outfit

[cursive sky]

but the hand leader doesnt look that much different

[hexed granite]

yeah but i dont believe we have his voice on file, do we?

[bright valley]

there's a guy on mindjot whose voice sounds like it would better fit a cartoon bear

[hexed granite]

the voice acting has had a massive NET improvement. but generic civilians sound horrible

meth suspects also sound bad too. ive replaced them with the case 471 VO and its an actual horror map now that is semi-lore accurate

[bright valley]

actually, it might not be mindjot-specific, could be a generic like you're saying

sifting through the VO folders trying to find it

[hexed granite]

yeah, i think i know EXACTLY what ur talking about. its generic suspect 2-4

any which of those

i think my favorite tedious activity is curating which voice mods should go with which character

[steady pollen]

y'all where is voll's laptop i cant find it at all

[hexed granite]

office, by the balcony

[tough spire]

There's a really dumb voice that has a "heyyy" "help me" line that sounds really hammy

[hexed granite]

i think they are phasing out generic civilians VO. sounds real weird hearing some cartoony boston voice from an LA hood rat

(streamer map)

[night pasture]

SWAT and suspects got the most amount of love for 1.0 civ lines have been the same since EA release. so hopefully civs get some love

[hexed granite]

for surely, but until then, ive been using Sp00ns VO, SWAT 4, and better civilians/suspects

[bright valley]

I think it's GenericSuspectMale_4

[hexed granite]

yargh

[cursive sky]

office that has A V on the doors.
balcony has a smoking box of circuits that leads to the garden.

should be 2nd floor if you count from top down.

[steady pollen]

found it and got an A, thank you both!!

[hexed granite]

mm, top down count would make it the 1st floort, top floor

but yuh he found it

[cursive sky]

wym how do you count your floors

[bright valley]

Easily my favorite thing in all of the VO is HotelBellhopMale having exactly one pain sound and it sounds like a fucking goose

At one point he didn't have separate coughing sounds so if you gassed a room with him in it you'd just hear "HOONK, HOONK, HOONK, HOONK" until the gas cleared.

[hexed granite]

okay so, if we're counting starting from the top, it would be the 1st floor (top floor). where the bar, office, and TV lounge room is

[craggy yew]

all are oiled up who in d platoon winning the twerk off?

[cursive sky]

the one with daniella voss yea thats the first floor.

the second floor would be where the stupid catwalk balcony and the office

[hexed granite]

actually u reminded me.

do u guys remember in the first teaser, there was a topdown shot of a bellhop brutally belly up choking on his blood

they use that similar asset in Sins and other maps, but doesnt look as brutal

[hexed granite]

OHH mb

i totally remembered it weird.

[cursive sky]

the third floor would be where the kitchen and the million glass panels that lead into the party area

and the room

[hexed granite]

that poor VA, just moaning for a few seconds

[bright valley]

bah, there's people who do that stuff full-time

[cursive sky]

fourth floor / basement is where the cp would be developed

[hexed granite]

oh boy, crye precision in a basement

[cursive sky]

someone was saying that the cleaning supplies and the big crater in the basement was where the bodies were being buried

[craggy yew]

guys did they change ms voll's ai cause in my s rank attempts she hasn't gone chris brown on me

[cursive sky]

and acid vat barrels

[hexed granite]

i remember the undeveloped version of the map. it was missing textures but they had the audio there and i was so confused on what was happening

[hexed granite]

omg breaking bad reference !!!

[bright valley]

the static projected image is honestly really funny

"just imagine there's porn here"

[hexed granite]

so real for that

[craggy yew]

did they remove her ability to throw hay makers like the UFC?

[hexed granite]

i think its low morale and ur getting too close.

but i havent had that happen to me yet

too close when shes not surrendering*

[tough spire]

HA

[hexed granite]

whatd u even say?

[tough spire]

No idea.

I was commenting on the various decorations around the Voll house.

[cursive sky]

if you're trying to get the fool achievement u have to hope that she spawns in the closest

then you just keep running into her with your gun down

without your swat nearby

[tough spire]

And how they decided to stop just short of actual pr0n (maybe that was the word)

[hexed granite]

full penetration in the room

[craggy yew]

not trying to get the achivement i just haven't seen her throw hands in my runs

[hexed granite]

ive NEVER had her throw hands at me before, even pre 1.0

but a civilian picked up a gun and tried to kkill me in the agency

[tough spire]

Omg what they brought back Mirror Blocked

[craggy yew]

Voll pulled a makarov on me

[bright valley]

[un-mirrors your gun]

[hexed granite]

tthat also reminds me, the weapon choices are REALLY weird

like okay, i can put 2 and 2 together. russian mobsters are trafficking weapons into LS right? so people have makarovs

but why the fuck is there a calico m960 instead of an uzi

[hexed granite]

i think they should, forces u to change it up rather than wallhack everything

[craggy yew]

theres some suspects into rare firearm collecting

[tough spire]

I agree! I just found a door I used to be able to mirror under so it's really weird to suddenly see it again

[hexed granite]

ik, but arent full auto calicos rare? i doubt a gangster would find one easily (unless something something alternate reality)

also found it odd that the rogue secret service (i think theyre them) have a pelican full of m4 mags, but some carry FAL's and g3's

[bright valley]

if you really finagle with it, you can mirror through a peeked door though obviously that's not as safe

[hexed granite]

not that i mind? i like having a taste of my own medicine sometimes, but it kinda feels weird that its not consistent with how the suspects are described to be

[craggy yew]

bill clinton is not elected in the Ready or Not world

[tough spire]

I'd never even heard of the m960 before this game

[hexed granite]

US WON THE VIETNAM WARR RRAHHHHHHH 🦅

[bright valley]

before i googled the m960 i thought it was a bugged model lol

[craggy yew]

spas 12 are obtainable in the ready or not world

[tough spire]

SAME

[hexed granite]

that or some weird bizon

[hexed granite]

spas 12 switchable fire when?

[tough spire]

M960 "Blender Glitch" Calico.

[craggy yew]

bill clinton not being president in the ready or not universe makes me want to be apart of it

[bright valley]

M960 "Uhhh TOC" Calico

[tough spire]

Uhhh TOC is my porn name.

Nope, that wasn't the censored word.

[bright valley]

Need a mod to make that line the placeholder for every soft objective report.

[craggy yew]

makes you think what member of d platoon has a only fans

[bright valley]

"Uhhh, TOC"
"Roger that Entry Team"

[tough spire]

That's just a you thing.

[craggy yew]

oh

[hexed granite]

yeah, i cant imagine VOID adding a female swat in 100% confident good faith

the amount of horny posting would be insane

[craggy yew]

a certain site would be very happy

[tough spire]

Given their depiction of women so far it'd be gross I'm sure.

[hexed granite]

in general UE4 faces dont look good. they all just look too lubed up, polished, and dead inside

[bright valley]

They've depicted female officers so honestly I think it'd be fine.

[hexed granite]

insurgency sandstorm has this problem too. no mocap facial acting when lines are spoken, which is part of the reason why i put masks on my SWAT

[hexed granite]

oh my, my point is invalidated

there is 1 AI that does have reactive facial animation, its a specific female in meth house, newer model

[craggy yew]

meth head update lets go 🔥

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message Just a happy lil' guy

[hexed granite]

prestine ass burger (i miss fast food)

[craggy yew]

back to running Voll house raid till s rank

gas spam until victory

[tough spire]

They do sit around as set furniture. That's true.

[bright valley]

Also some unused VO for one, StationReed. My main point being, I think VOID can be tasteful when they want to be. :P

[tough spire]

Rofl I just snuck up on someone from behind and just repeatedly bashed him with my pistol as he just sat there grunting, not surrendering, not dropping his weapon, for about 15 bashes before I finally called for him to surrender

[tough spire]

You have more faith in them than I do. 😔

What all invalidates Way Out West achievement? Did I break my run by pistol slapping?

[hexed granite]

have u heard the cop VO's in game. now that u mention it, i havent (except for the PA speaker ofc)

[bright valley]

Nah, there's a whole bunch of unused VO

[hexed granite]

another thing, for eli, swan, king, and prescott, do we know which files are whose? i havent found VO mods for them yet, partially because it isn't obvious in files who is who

[willow glen]

I mean irl

In the game behind it is no damage no matter what

[hexed granite]

i was talking in context of this

[tough spire]

Unless you're right next to it on the other side

[willow glen]

Hehe

It does depend what you call behind

[tough spire]

🍑

[hexed granite]

unarmored and untrained suspect ssurvive C2's

armored and hardended police officer, nah

[craggy yew]

god how many guys did voll hire

for every 1 arrest 9 more show up

[vestal mauve]

I want women SWAT officers because
A: they've existed in tactical shooters since OG rainbow six
B: they make certain people really really really really mad

[uncut nacelle]

damn cant post clip in game clips channel

tf, nitro ad appears

[ivory kiln]

imagine modders when women get added

[vestal mauve]

Anyone downloading horny mods will be put on a watchlist

[tough spire]

Oh my god. The revolver is more accurate hipfired than ADS when moving.

[vestal mauve]

Dirty Harry style let's goooooo

[craggy yew]

guys how valley of the dolls s rank

[tough spire]

Same as every map. Shoot out contentious windows, use lots of gas, go slow and use your ears.

[craggy yew]

im doing

[bright valley]

also play dipshit wrangler and hold/fall in before your officers get too close to windows when clearing

[craggy yew]

security off perc 30 it seems

feeling rather displeased

[tough spire]

If you're doing those things you're on the right start - just keep refining tactics and you'll get there

[foggy zinc]

george m

[bright valley]

wedging the door

[willow glen]

Wowwww

Wowwwww

Sorry

I will use different words for talking about this key plot point in the game this server is about

[tough spire]

No gods or kings only automod.

[willow glen]

Amos used his child exploitation money to perfect cloning

[craggy yew]

gosh darn you Voll and your deep pockets

[ivory kiln]

everyone likes to shoot voll

i prefer shooting him in the legs

[willow glen]

Literally and even no matter the statistics they do exist, even if in lesser number

[willow glen]

This is key

Avoid windows with LTL

[tough spire]

Is revolver laser accuracy off?

Or is this thing just not very accurate

[foggy zinc]

the latter probably

[willow glen]

The immense temptation

When I get the way out west achievement

To leave the AI behind

[tough spire]

I'm doing Multiplayer Friends Only so I have no AI

[river bluff]

lethal obsession 2 mins

[tough spire]

The snub nose attach seems to make weapon sway less which is nice, but... even less accuracy?

[willow glen]

I had this great lethal run once

Breach lower back door

Guy is there and we start pepperballing

This is 1.0 AI and somehow the guy starts choking on cloud before annihilating me, other guy runs into the room, starts choking

Then the USIA mfer

Crawls through that crawl space

Into the cloud again

And that’s all 3, had swat detain

While I reported the paperwork

This all happened in a matter of seconds and at the end of the run it was just barely under a legit minute

Funniest shit ever

No effort S rank

[tough spire]

That's incredible

[uncut nacelle]

i rushed relapse with randoms in co op under 6 mins howbowdat

[river bluff]

Ive got "the devil" without wanting to

lmao

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

how

[uncut nacelle]

russians

• no mic straight running

[tough spire]

I am so nervous right now... I am almost to the boats on Way Out West and I haven't seen a single target in the tunnels 😭

[uncut nacelle]

i dont have screenshot sadly, cuz it was before all the hotfixes too lol

needed to delete my gallery cuz my resolution is big, more gb usage

[hidden wedge]

I cleared the hospital but can't find the civilian. I checked three times now. What now? Search and secure command doesnt make the AI do anything.

[tough spire]

if S&S doesn't work it means there's a room you haven't checked. They'll only go into places you've been

[foggy zinc]

spam F is another good one cuz you can hear them (civs) through walls

[uncut nacelle]

say loudly "im gonna bomb this place up" it works trust me

[normal trout]

good luck with that bro, wasted a 40 minute run because i couldn’t find 1 mf

[uncut nacelle]

btw i wonder if someone ever did ron cinematics

not just whole gameplay with camera shots

[river bluff]

Wondering if Void will become the future Gaijin entertainment 🗿

[stone stump]

what would that mean?

[tough spire]

Wtf. I just did a full run using only .357, never put it away, and still didn't get the achievement??

[river bluff]

Letting their game rot in errors

[void oar]

nice gore update

[river bluff]

Lmao

[void oar]

it's so realistic I posted it in another discord and loads of people got upset 😆

[stone stump]

how about your swat ai?

[prime mural]

Did ur ai use nades or stuff

[tough spire]

Didn't have any. I did solo multiplayer.

[stone stump]

multiplayer doesn't have achievements

[prime mural]

Get fucked

[river bluff]

Womp womp @tough spire

[tough spire]

Ohhhhhh. That's stupid. lol

[stone stump]

definitely annoying because it's not mentioned anywhere

[prime mural]

I swear I saw steam posts saying that bagging evidence and such also counted against the achievement

[uncut nacelle]

you can use your Ai for west achievement

[prime mural]

Not sure if true

[tough spire]

Well round 2 on Practice mode I guess.

[river bluff]

The very moment Void starts to optimize their game and AI will be perfect...

Thing is, there isn't anything perfect

[prime mural]

They can also only use their guns.

[stone stump]

have i said you can't? i was asking what was the ai using basically

[river bluff]

You can make the AI use the revolver and still get the achievement

[tough spire]

I just asked them to hold at spawn.

[uncut nacelle]

I did whole revolver team, but you can use 100% of your AI

[stone stump]

i did that too. them constantly trying to use primaries is the best part about it

[uncut nacelle]

give all ammo to revolver

[tough spire]

They still try to pull their empty primaries. 🙂

[stone stump]

hence "trying to"

[tough spire]

They are basically puppies with no object permanence.

[uncut nacelle]

ah yeah true, did that achievement long time ago, but the main target is you,

u gotta be with revolver, no mask i think? or with 1 type of grenade

[prime mural]

I don't think u can use any nades or gadget

I'm sure nvgs r ok

[uncut nacelle]

Ah yes no nades, i used my ai on hard parts, they can do everything

[prime mural]

Also, y the 357 so fucking slow

Judge really taking his time pulling that trigger

[uncut nacelle]

played with revolver only once.. for achievement lol

[tough spire]

It's to simulate single action.

[frail quartz]

You mean double action?

[tough spire]

omg yes. Sorry.

[prime mural]

Id rather them make it super jumpy and inaccurate than this slow

But it is what it is

[frail quartz]

I've seen people fire double actions pretty fast before, but I imagine the accuracy would be pretty bad

[tough spire]

Double action trigger pulls are more involved.

There's a reason basically everything is either single or double/single now.

[chrome kiln]

It’s already a meme gun regardless might aswell make it shoot faster at the cost of accuracy

[prime mural]

Idk I'd assume judge, with all his training, would bang it out

[frail quartz]

I'd prefer if the fire rate on the revolver was much higher but the accuracy drops the faster you shoot

[willow glen]

Worst feeling in RoN

[frail quartz]

So that people who want to shoot accurately can still time their shots farther apart like it is now but people who are right next to someone can completely unload

[willow glen]

“Where are the suspects?”

[prime wing]

Ok buddy if the action is so good, where is triple action

[frail quartz]

YOU AREN'T READY FOR TRIPLE ACTION

[chrome kiln]

I’m single and definitely do not see action

[tough spire]

Single Action - Release Hammer
Double Action - Pull and Release Hammer
Triple Action - Pull, Release, and Lubricate Hammer

Quadruple Action - Pull, Release and Lubricate Hammer and light your cigarette right out of your mouth.

Quintuple Action - Pull, Release, Lubricate, Cigarette, files your taxes online.

[willow glen]

I call their armour “baby-proofing”

[willow glen]

US tax help company lobbies banned quintuple action

[tough spire]

TurboTax ended the quintuple action revolver before we could really see it take off 😔

[molten finch]

Just because I want to know, what’s everyone’s favorite way to get through doors? Personally I’m a big fan of the pick,peek, swing method myself but I’m curious to hear what the people have to say

[tough spire]

Depends on the context every time

If I have time, I like the peek and shoulder-bump enter/pie

[willow glen]

If it’s locked and there is no one behind it

Kick

Kick

[frail quartz]

I used to lockpick, peek, have one of my ai teammates chuck in a bang, and quickly close it, but the ai can only throw greandes through doors if they're open fully now

[willow glen]

Kick

[bright valley]

Kick

[willow glen]

And if my leg is damaged and breaks then pick

[frail quartz]

ATM my go-to is to have one of my ai ram the door and flashbang it

[willow glen]

And if the door isn’t locked I just open

[molten finch]

The ai team is a little hard to manage truthfully they’re a little weird to get used to, I’m getting better though

[bright valley]

cannot kick with broken leg, order gold element to kick and clear

[willow glen]

Now if there is suspect(S)

[frail quartz]

BTW when are they gonna add being able to kick with our left legs

[willow glen]

I do this sometimes when mad enough at a door

Now if there are suspects

[stone bay]

Depends. If it’s a wooden door, I’ll kick it. If it’s heavier duty, my go to is C2 followed with a bang

[molten finch]

Dk but they’ll probably add like a -25% strength on it bc it’s “non dominant” leg

[willow glen]

C2, cause if you do not have 10 c2 charges on your team you are a failure

[bright valley]

if there's a suspect getting intimate with the door, C2 that shit every time

[tough spire]

Why are y'all kicking open doors with nobody on the other side

[oak crown]

"Police! Hands up!": 🤢🤮🤮

Killing suspects on sight: 😎😎🤩

[willow glen]

Nah that is personal c2

[frail quartz]

It's faster than lockpicking

[willow glen]

Bathroom with suspect in I c2 that

Bigger room

[tough spire]

And loud

[willow glen]

C2, flash or gas, and clear

[molten finch]

I have gunfighter so I bring a lock pick gun and it’s quite handy

[willow glen]

Covert, more like conerd

[tough spire]

Damn I've been roasted.

[willow glen]

We are swat

[bright valley]

i'm just memeing, ever since I started giving a shit about stress it's been lockpick and open unless the situation calls for something else

[willow glen]

We are kicking and blowing shit down in this mf

[tough spire]

Conerd Ops 😔

[bright valley]

I don't sneak walk everywhere but just not being conspicuously loud with kicks and rams and such goes a long way

[willow glen]

We are clad head to toe in steel coming out of explosion and smoke, black clad angels of Justice

I do pick when I don’t feel like getting someone else to breach the door tho

[molten finch]

Sometimes I’ll use c2 or kick, but almost always I’m a pick peek (sometimes gas) and slice (what I call pie’ing bc slicing sounds cooler)

[tough spire]

You def. don't need to sneak walk everywhere just around contended areas you're at threat in

[molten finch]

I wear tha Hawaiian shirt buddy I don’t rock the black kit, I WAS having a bbq but NOOO they wanted to do crime and interrupt me, so I fight harder, I got a brisket to get back too

[bright valley]

which is kind of everywhere until proven otherwise

[willow glen]

I have 3 moods

Fed nerd
Swat
JEANS

[bright valley]

kick, flashbang, and clear

[willow glen]

As a jean purist I am so glad the game has them

[molten finch]

YESSSS

[willow glen]

My denim is with me even in my games

[molten finch]

Casual Friday squad reigns supreme

[willow glen]

God’s strongest armour

[willow glen]

The drip of denim

[tough spire]

Well, sort of. Like, you can blitz between areas without any trouble. As long as they don't think you're an immediate threat to them the AI's aren't super alert

[willow glen]

Real Nairobi mall siege hours

In my jeans walking by, see terrorist situation unfolding

“Give me some plates and a rifle, 2 minutes tops”

[molten finch]

If you’re doing that you better rock no plates, if you’re gonna bit it, commit

Glock 19, Hawaiian shirt, no armor

[willow glen]

Aesthetically or actually?

Oh God

[molten finch]

Good fuckin luck 💀

[tough spire]

Babe what's wrong, you've barely worn your Jwat uniform

[molten finch]

I do plan on running gas station with that setup for fun

Bring 1 buddy not a squad of 5 dudes

[willow glen]

I was thinking Nairobi mall siege this guy is thinking my uncle who thinks he’d be the hero in the shooting

[willow glen]

Real

[molten finch]

“We just needed some Funyuns man, but these dicks wanted to shoot up the place, so we had to put a stop to that” type beat

[willow glen]

Honestly a vibe is normal swat kit for everything except pants which are jeans

Just imagine

Fucking show up to be sent in to the scene

“Sorry sir, I only wear jeans”

[molten finch]

Hawaiian shirt man I love it so much, even after completing all missions in the game and getting the swat 99 suit, only thing I rock on it is the dope ass gas mask

[willow glen]

Mood

Full causal could be fun

[bright valley]

I used the gray top, gray helmet, and jeans for a while, but that resulted in a lot of accidental friendly fire at Mindjot

[willow glen]

You know what

I will end up killing myself

[molten finch]

I’m gonna run the gas station with no plates no rifle and a Glock 19 with a buddy hopefully

[willow glen]

But I wanna do

A “nah I’d win” run of school

Some pistol, no armour, casual clothes

“No you don’t understand when the fight starts I just start seeing red”

Type energy in the loadout

[molten finch]

💀

How hard is it to actually to the Ironman challenge btw? Whats the consensus on that

[willow glen]

No clue

[tough spire]

Right now it's extremely easy

[willow glen]

But I know for that I am solely going to prioritize lives and stress for that

[molten finch]

You’re fuckin with me right?

[tough spire]

No. On day one of latest hotfix I did the entire thing front to back on my first try and wasn't even really playing safe by the end.

[willow glen]

Okay extremely is a bit much, it’s pretty easy as I basically religiously play this game for like a year now

But like

[crude prism]

If you were competent in RoN at ALL since 1.0, the game is trivial now

[molten finch]

Ah, I’ve only got like 20 hours but I’m pretty good, serviceable

[willow glen]

That is true

[bright valley]

it's a combination of the game being easier than it's been in a long time, and george m being kinda cracked lol

[willow glen]

1.0 I was very good at but still annoyed because I’m a score sucker

[crude prism]

There are also unfortunately some bugs with damage calculation, where you end up surviving like 2x the rounds you are supposed to while wearing ceramic

[molten finch]

I’m def not cracked and I can’t even really see above 30fps but i still manage to do decent

[uncut nacelle]

it feels like you are being on the mission for hours, turns out its been only 5 mins

[crude prism]

Introduced this patch

[uncut nacelle]

got 60+hours rn, wtf

[molten finch]

Can’t WAIT for optimization patches

[willow glen]

The AI still is above just pre 1.0 tho

[tough spire]

That explains so much. I feel like I'm just soaking bullets right now.

[willow glen]

Yes

[molten finch]

I have like a 6 year old system that was given to me

[bright valley]

speaking of shit being easier than it's been, i should probably try to knock out that FISA vest unlock

[willow glen]

Just glad I have my DLSS back

[bright valley]

besides some watches and tats it's like the only thing i'm missing

[willow glen]

Honestly

[crude prism]

If Adam was like 5 on a scale, 1.0 was 10 and now we're at like 2-3

[willow glen]

Someone on the supporter server

Got me thinking

[molten finch]

I can’t run this game well literally anywhere, doesn’t matter the map or anything it’s just always like 25 and sometimes down to like 10 but kinda feels immersive bc I can call it “camera lag” and feel okay about it

[uncut nacelle]

ron optimisation is good rn, unless you are rockin with aquarium

[willow glen]

Are the damage calculations to the player that scuffed?

Cause they said the AI itself was more difficult

I haven’t gotten to play much since update

[tough spire]

haha there is no way the AI is more difficult since hotfix 3

[crude prism]

I meant in total, like sum of AI changes this patch vs 1.0 vs Adam. That's including the bugs

[bright valley]

1.0 launch ai was fucked, hotfix 3 nerfed it

[crude prism]

Once the bugs with damage get fixed, game is probably solid 2.5/10 hard instead of 10/10 hard like on 1.0

[uncut nacelle]

Funny thing happened to me today if u interested lol

[tough spire]

Yes. Tell me stories

[willow glen]

From what I understand they nerfed it to still better than pre 1.0

Which would mean the damage calculations you’re talking about have gotta be scuffed as hell

[crude prism]

RoN opimiztion is SIGNIFICANTLY worse still than pre 1.0

I can never even get close to sitting comfortably at 100+ like before

[willow glen]

Aghhhhh

I miss my frames

[tough spire]

Really? Game runs better for me than it did pre-1.0

I used to have so many stupid framedrops in Brisa, for example

[molten finch]

Aquarium?

[willow glen]

Brisa of all places?

Wack

[tough spire]

Specifically the areas with lighting coming in through the windows would nuke my framerate, yeah.

[willow glen]

Ah I see

That kinda makes sense

[tough spire]

Yup. Lighting is always a GPU hog

[crude prism]

All suspects with Rifles or LMGs are dealing effectively half damage against armor. And that lowers even more on wallbang hits because of the new pen system (which is likely the cause of issues)

You will literally die in less hits to handguns/SMGs than rifles + LMGs right now

[willow glen]

Also Aquarium map would kinda go hard

[willow glen]

That…

Makes a shocking amount of sense right now

[tough spire]

mannnn I just died because he decided to check his revolver instead of reload it. 😦

[willow glen]

Nooo

[uncut nacelle]

So basically i tried to play with shotguns (after a whileee)
Map neon tomb, killed pretty much all suspects, two was left.
I kicked the guard room, suspect was shooting me for prob 5 seconds, i tried to shoot, guess what. No ammo gotta reload, i was trapped in guard room next to the servers or tf is that, literally reloaded ALL buckshots, peaked out n kill that mf. I got clip of it too sadly it doesnt let me post it.

The AI aim can be retarted sometimes, i was about 1 meter away from him bruh

[willow glen]

RoN media

?

[uncut nacelle]

i cant anymore idk, nitro ad appears

[willow glen]

I think that is a slur bypass for the server so you might wanna remove that

[uncut nacelle]

even tho i sent today 80mb file

[willow glen]

Just warning in case mods

[uncut nacelle]

nah it aint bad or something

[crude prism]

AI aim is fine what are u talking abouts #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[uncut nacelle]

my situation was wayy different

[tight frigate]

honestly i wish that there were more generic (insert building here) warrant service missions, there’s only around 4 non-emergency situations in the entirety of RoN (iirc), and residental CQB is fun

[crude prism]

new accuracy system is def scuffed

[uncut nacelle]

i was like "alr lemme reload my shotty fully"

thats like a one 13seconds clip that explains everything about hotfix 3 bruh

but bruh, aint 500mb is maximum to post? cuz i cant anymore

[crude prism]

it's 500 with nitro

[willow glen]

Ong

We do more barricaded suspects genuine type than high risk warrants

[uncut nacelle]

but without tho, cuz if server is boosted to maximum, ppl can post quality clips

literally posted 80mb file, now i cant even post a 57mb one

[crude prism]

🤷 I've def had the same problem in here. Idk what determines it

[umbral oar]

does firing people affect the hermit achievement

[crude prism]

You cannot:

Have anyone die
Have anyone resign
Fire anyone

[normal trout]

is anyone able to get S on voll right now?

it wont give me points for the destroyed hard drives

[craggy yew]

I keep getting bent over by the suspects

So if I do it and it says no S I’m murdering someone

[willow glen]

But then you’d lose your S rank lmao

[tawny scroll]

TOC: dis dood think he can get away with this 🎙️maintain yo ROE foo 📉❌

[craggy yew]

is it worth switching to a pepperball gun from the beanbag shotgun

cause i feel like i lack range and effectiveness at range

[tough spire]

Soooooo does the revolver just have major hitreg issues?

Standing still, watching a suspect who isn't aware of me. I stared a couple of seconds at him deciding how I wanted to troll him. Just decided to center mass him. MISSED. Literally neither of us were moving, I was already aiming at him for a couple of seconds.

[crude prism]

The revolver has HUGE drag compared to other weapons, and it's very misleading. Just walk around with the laser on and aim left and right

[tough spire]

Yeah I've noticed that, too.

I'm just baffled at the whole... standing still and missed thing

[frail quartz]

"What the hell makes you think you can get away with this!?"
Judge flashes his badge to his bodycamera
"Fair enough."

[pearl shuttle]

So is the MCX meant to be in .300 BLK?

[frail quartz]

Probably not, the newsletter says it's supposed to be in 5.56

[wanton rapids]

How do I stop SWAT ai from typing all the civs up. I'm on elephant and want the civs to run to the exit because the suspects keep looping back and shooting the civs I've zipped

[stone stump]

yesn't

[willow glen]

they mad nerfed pepperball

if you wanna have some guys with pepper that can work but I would just go all beanbag

one tap and morale gone

[willow glen]

they do not do that anymore I don't think

the civvies

[upbeat wadi]

honestly the game needs some system for giving civilians simple orders

"stay here", "move to the exit", "lie down on the ground"

[wanton rapids]

Dang yea looks like the feature is broken now. It was working before the last patch

[zenith burrow]

Me remembering the old paintball gun 🥹

[upbeat wadi]

and speaking of, did hotfix 3 break swat ai for anyone else?

[pearl shuttle]

No

[upbeat wadi]

they'd stand there and refuse to do what i say before, but now it feels like it's way more often

[crude prism]

No shot. New pepperball lasting CS effect is NUTS

[zenith burrow]

Beanbag is just so much better

[pearl shuttle]

Lost an opportunity for an S on Voll because one of my AI switched to his pistol and killed a suspect

[zenith burrow]

It stuns instantly and the target does not go running into the next room

[upbeat wadi]

beanbag is very shortrange though

[zenith burrow]

Wait wut?

I wouldn’t say short range

I’d say it’s harder to land shots long range

[crude prism]

Beanbag is good at taking 1-1 close range gunfights.

Pepper is more suppressive/support becaues you can manage way more people with the better rof/mag size

[willow glen]

wait actually

now that I think about it

[upbeat wadi]

at distances longer than like 15 m it's borderline useless in my experience

[willow glen]

with suspects no longer being cracked

maybe pepperball CS effect has time to be useful

[upbeat wadi]

AI teammates think so too so they switch to their sidearms and bust a cap in his ass instead

[zenith burrow]

Yeah that’s the problem with the ai before

[upbeat wadi]

and there goes my S

[zenith burrow]

You need to ask them to surrender 1st cause of your ROE

[willow glen]

if you are going S

[zenith burrow]

But sometimes they just instantly dome you

[willow glen]

take away secondary ammo

[upbeat wadi]

won't they try to shoot them with an empty gun then?

which makes them useless

[willow glen]

from my experience no, if they have a full primary and no secondary, they will not switch for only range reasons

[tough spire]

WTF. I just finished Rust Belt with the pistol only, never used ANY gear not even NVGs and still no achievement!? are you kidding me void?

[willow glen]

and even if it is, why the fuck do you have bullets on your S now that S is arrest only

[zenith burrow]

You guys play with AI?

[willow glen]

that's worse than a useless AI, it's a sabotaging AI

[zenith burrow]

I think solo is more fun

[willow glen]

I appreciate that they are still extra guns

and I'm pretty good at using these morons

[upbeat wadi]

plan was we beanbag/cs them all, arrest them, get the rating

[crude prism]

Did you do it in singleplayer or like a coop lobby?

[tough spire]

Singleplayer. I had my AI sit at spawn.

[willow glen]

so why have sidearm ammo in the loadouts?

[crude prism]

You can't give the AI any order. I had the same problem

[upbeat wadi]

honestly ive only been playing like 3 or 4 hours and ive given up on the S grinding, and on non lethal in general

[tough spire]

WTF is that shit

[crude prism]

Telling them to hold or move somewhere will cancel the achievement

[tough spire]

JFC Void.

[willow glen]

3-4 of that or the game?

[crude prism]

Yeah you literally have to just let them follow you around

[zenith burrow]

Yeah don’t grind for that yet

[upbeat wadi]

maybe after ive beaten the campaign and played around online, but right now non lethal is just a fraction of the fun of running a tacticooled out fal carbine

[zenith burrow]

Just get used to the game and have fun 1st

Going for non lethal and grinding for S rank isn’t that fun xd

[willow glen]

yeah don't rush to S ranking

[willow glen]

it's fun on some maps

like small ones

[upbeat wadi]

it's not hard either, but it's just not as fun to play

[zenith burrow]

Going lethal much more fun

Dropping suspects with 1 shot of the SA58 🤤

[upbeat wadi]

fuck them ratings, gonna roll the way real life swat rolls (or is supposed to anyway, im not gonna flashbang babies)

[tough spire]

okay so if I give all teammates revolver as well with no gear it should be fine?

[upbeat wadi]

crackhead with a gun doesnt drop it after i yell, tries to run away?

[zenith burrow]

Me equipping the stab vest and having 8 cs nades 😎

[upbeat wadi]

guess he'll die tired then

[crude prism]

They can have whatever. It doesn't matter. You just can't give them any commands

[tough spire]

Rofl that's so fucking dumb.

Can you order surrenders around?

[crude prism]

I wouldn't

[willow glen]

I used to have a challenge for maps

SA-58 without killing anyone accidentally

[crude prism]

Don't ever press F, just shoot everyone

[willow glen]

whole squad got SAs

[zenith burrow]

New challenge idea

[upbeat wadi]

i tried to S rank the 213 mission like 3 times (before hotfix 3 too, so the bad guys were all still on crack), then just said fuck it and went with an AR15 + IR laser + ngv

[tough spire]

You can't even call for surrender!?

[willow glen]

the whole thing was also that AI would only ever make killshots when inconvenient for you

[crude prism]

u can

[upbeat wadi]

and damn it felt so bloomin cool

[zenith burrow]

Lethal run with the beanbag shotgun 🤝

[willow glen]

based

[zenith burrow]

Pretty funny doming someone just kills them with the beanbag

[upbeat wadi]

damn that's honestly cruel as shit if done on purpose, i imagine it's an incredibly painful way to die

the s in swat is for sadistic

[willow glen]

nah it's like a forget me stick, you're probably having some mad ass dreams during that brain bleed

[willow glen]

s in swat is for "so I didn't really follow the ROE"

[upbeat wadi]

i mean it's not strong enough to properly blow your head off like a 12 gauge round would, it probably just kills you by breaking your skull and causing a brain hemorrhage

so basically more or less like dying from having your skull bashed in

[willow glen]

yes

[upbeat wadi]

brrrr

[zenith burrow]

I miss the old battering ram

[upbeat wadi]

can you kill with it?

[zenith burrow]

You could kill teammates with it easily

[upbeat wadi]

jesus

[zenith burrow]

Pretty sure it also killed suspects before

[upbeat wadi]

good thing im not 12, my parents would never let me play it

[zenith burrow]

They removed all the fun shit in 1.0

I remember they had a grenade launcher too

The one that looked like a giant ass revolver

[upbeat wadi]

swat 4 was pretty clean and non violent overall if i remember right, no dismemberment no nothin

even that spooky ass psycho basement in the second mission didn't actually have anything legitimately violent in there, just clever props and set design that tricked your brain into thinking it did

btw does this one ever get as absurd and borderline unfinishable as the hotel bomb mission in swat 4?

[river bluff]

It's just me or anyone else here gets R6 vegas flashbacks?

[hidden wedge]

The ending for RoN is pretty boring. Like you have FISA stuff and credits but nothing much else but for cosmetics

[tough spire]

Big "saving it for the DLC" energy.

[hidden wedge]

I wish there was more storyline in the missions but from the debrief

[upbeat wadi]

eh the game never exactly pretended to have a big storyline focus

im happy with what you get so far

[hidden wedge]

The lore is so deep but it feels poorly explained to the user. Like only when I finish the game I can go back and look at details

[upbeat wadi]

could maybe use some personality for your dudes, maybe a couple supporting characters like the chief (comments on how you did in a mission after you finish it, informs you when a new section opens up etc.)

[spring knoll]

the in-depth secret lore is cool and all but ultimately not necessary and not the primary focus of the game

[upbeat wadi]

but it's fine as is

[spring knoll]

yeah agreed, it works best in the background

[willow glen]

This one you absolutely can too

[upbeat wadi]

hm lore
how deep? i do pay attention to briefings and the connections to previous missions, i check the evidence locker between runs, is there anything else i should be checking at all times?

[willow glen]

My friend missed the door and hit me at full and capped me

[hidden wedge]

i got this is supposed to be a swat sim but there was not much of a grand finale. like you have port and it's done

[upbeat wadi]

e.g. does the graffiti in 213 mean anything or is it just spooky methhead scribbling?

[willow glen]

The spider

Never forget the spider

[spring knoll]

there’s some weird overarching lore with USIA and Judge being a plant. the final room unlocked after you beat the game is a hint of that too

[upbeat wadi]

hol up i havent done that one yet

[willow glen]

No not the mission

[upbeat wadi]

spider is exactly as far as Ive gotten

[willow glen]

Pay attention and you’ll see what I mean

The walls man, watch the walls

[spring knoll]

frankly i don’t really care for the hidden story

[willow glen]

I don’t much either

[hidden wedge]

the spider decal on most missions?

[spring knoll]

i wish we had more moments like the FISA container bit

[willow glen]

But it’s kinda fun

[spring knoll]

like instead of saying “bagging it up” to everything

[willow glen]

Yeah

[upbeat wadi]

alright this is turning into spoiler central

[spring knoll]

wish judge actually responded and reported stuff

[upbeat wadi]

ima bail

[hidden wedge]

i liked the difference between the the boring voice lines and this

[willow glen]

Nah there’s just spider graffiti, watch where it turns up, I won’t say where

[spring knoll]

it could’ve stayed unique with the FISA interruption while still having Judge have unique lines for certain bits

but instead with literally everything all he’ll say is “evidence bagged” or “bagging it up”

[hidden wedge]

we need more unique lines

[zenith burrow]

Isn’t that the mission with a lot of traps?

[willow glen]

No

[hidden wedge]

especially from judge. like he says nothing the entire story

[willow glen]

Daycare is spider

[spring knoll]

i’m just saying, if we could get an officer saying “goddamn millennials” at a streamer setup we could’ve at least recorded more judge voice lines than “evidence bagged”

[zenith burrow]

My friend would just get a battering ram and just fucking go ham

[willow glen]

And that’s not what I mean

[willow glen]

There’s “securing evidence” I think

[spring knoll]

yeah theres a few variants but my point stands

[zenith burrow]

w h a t ‘ s b e h i n d d o o r n u m b e r 1

[hidden wedge]

"civilian cuffed"

[spring knoll]

i think it was a missed opportunity to not have unique lines when reporting stuff

[brittle tiger]

looks into the streamer room

"The industrial revolution maybe do have consequences to the human race"

[zenith burrow]

Then we’d all instantly blow up

[vestal mauve]

Your squad is made of millennials I'm pretty sure
Remember we're aged 26 to 42

[frail quartz]

They're saving adding those lines for a future update for some reason

[spring knoll]

where’d you hear that?

[brittle tiger]

someone mod in Judge saying duke nukem one liners

[frail quartz]

I remember a mod posting a message saying it but I wouldn't be able to find it now

[zenith burrow]

It’s time to kick gum and chew ass

And I’m all out of ass

[frail quartz]

DIG DIG DIG DIG DIG DIG DIG DIG FOLLOW THE INSECT FOLLOW THE INSECT FOLLOW THE INSECT

[brittle tiger]

I'm not locked in here with you

You are locked in here with ME

proceeds to jin-roh the shit out of the Port Hoken map

[vestal mauve]

They got so methed out they started playing IRL Minecraft

[zenith burrow]

I remember me and my friends tried to clear carrier of the vine with just the pepper spray

Guess how that went

[brittle tiger]

guess you can say thats methed up

[frail quartz]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message Still waiting for this

[brittle tiger]

blows up suspect's hand with a shotgun slug

"Hey buddy, need a hand?"
"Judge what the fuck"

[upbeat wadi]

nah meth unlocked their powers of precognition so they decided to prepare for the raid and give me flashbacks of the tunnel mission in the game vietcong

valiant effort but they went down way easier than those damn charlie did all those years ago

[stone bay]

Anybody know what the stun time of flashes and stingers are

[brittle tiger]

about 20

[crude prism]

Stun on stinger/flash is 8 seconds

[upbeat wadi]

this guide on steam says 8s for both

[umbral oar]

do mods still invalidate achievements

[upbeat wadi]

by the way is there any practical reason not to pack all stingers and no flashbangs?

[umbral oar]

i mean do they now

[zenith burrow]

I think it’s 30 seconds for CS gas

CS gas op

[upbeat wadi]

yeah but then you need a gas mask

[brittle sable]

are stingers better than bangs ingame?

[zenith burrow]

Hence why I carry 8 of them 😎

[upbeat wadi]

in my opinion, abso fuckin lutely

[brittle sable]

ive never used stingers, just bangs

[vestal mauve]

stingers are great

[brittle sable]

whats the difference with them?

[zenith burrow]

I think Stingers are more reliable

[upbeat wadi]

they drop the perp right away instead of stunning him (maybe)

[brittle tiger]

you can argue that flashbangs are such a banger

[zenith burrow]

I don’t think there is any tbh

Just stick with stingers for more reliability

[brittle tiger]

what about frag grenades

[crude prism]

Stingers bounce/roll weird, but have 20% more range than flashes.

Flashes are more reliable to throw and land/bank them where you want

[brittle sable]

how are they more reliable
wouldnt you need target visibility to the stinger for the rubber balls to hit

[zenith burrow]

Wouldn’t that be the dream

[upbeat wadi]

flashbangs are a crapshoot, i think if like one pixel of broken furniture is in between the suspect and what the game considers the blast, it wont do anything

[vestal mauve]

flashbangs are bugged and often dont do shit

[brittle sable]

ive definitely had bangs stun a guy without visibility'

[upbeat wadi]

and you never know if the suspect is gonna be in range for the flash

[zenith burrow]

I think the rubber balls are just purely visual

They don’t actually need to hit the target to stun them

[upbeat wadi]

stingers are pretty reliable and easy to predict though

[brittle tiger]

which is why they should just add frag grenades

[vestal mauve]

we're SWAT not the army

[upbeat wadi]

in that you throw one in, everyone in the room goes down or at least gets stunned

[vestal mauve]

tf we gonna use frags for

[zenith burrow]

Clearing out a room 🤝

[crude prism]

"motivating suspects"

[brittle sable]

i can say the same for bangers tbh they work pretty well with me

[upbeat wadi]

lmao frags, why not claymores too while we're at it

[brittle sable]

claymore > wedge

[zenith burrow]

We don’t negotiate with terrorists

[upbeat wadi]

you want an m79 with that maybe

[crude prism]

Fuze charge pls

[brittle tiger]

to clear out suspects

[upbeat wadi]

how about an m249

[stone bay]

I thought the whole idea was that stinger stuns for longer but is less reliable

But they stun the same amount of time?

[brittle sable]

no they both stun the same length

[stone bay]

So whats even the point of using stinger

[upbeat wadi]

naah nah nah, in real life swat teams dont even bang much anymore because even THAT leads to too much collateral

[crude prism]

20% more range over flashbangs

[upbeat wadi]

frags? leave it to the damn army

[brittle tiger]

Im just gonna say

frag grenades would definitely stun or incapacitate the suspects

[brittle sable]

visual deployment is SOP so you can asess the spot where its gonna bang for a lot of departments but yeah you still get risks with bangs

[spring knoll]

“stun or incapacitate”
it would blow them up

[zenith burrow]

It would put them to sleep

permanently

[stone bay]

If you count killing as incapacitating

[brittle tiger]

thats the point

[stone bay]

Yes

[spring knoll]

along with any civs

[stone bay]

Then whats the point of using flashes?

[zenith burrow]

Nothing tbh

[crude prism]

They throw more reliably imo

[brittle tiger]

All frag jokes aside

[zenith burrow]

It’s just a downgrade to stingers

[stone bay]

That makes no sense

[brittle tiger]

early flashbangs were literally just practice grenades

[prime mural]

More range but deal with unauthorized force if there's a civ

[stone bay]

Both things are just objects

That you toss

[brittle sable]

theyve got different hitboxes

[crude prism]

Stingers are balls and bounce+roll around, flashes are oblong and just land

[brittle tiger]

with a lower explosive yield than frags but with higher explosive yield than flashbangs

[upbeat wadi]

yeah that's one thing that's different, in the 90s they could just go bang bang bang, now if your helmet camera shows you didn't see EXACTLY where your bang was going and what would be in the blast radius, you're getting hit with the strictest punishment known to police forces (two weeks paid leave)

[brittle sable]

yeah
its turned out to be less bangs (the few things ive heard are first room last room) and visual deployment
fair enough tbh you dont want to set something on fire

[frail quartz]

OH THE HORROR!!!!

[upbeat wadi]

yeah or accidentally murder a child or the hostage's beloved dog

[brittle tiger]

Or how about the use of Mk3 Grenades

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK3_grenade

[upbeat wadi]

it's cool though cause they got other means to incapacitate a suspect

[brittle tiger]

this might work better than flashbangs

at the cost of asbestos exposure

[upbeat wadi]

and since they don't chase the S rating, just figuring out where the suspect is exactly on the other side of the wall is enough 80% of the time (if you catch my drift)

[frail quartz]

I doubt Los Suenos keeps its buildings up to date anyways

[upbeat wadi]

also what's a little weird to me is suppressors aren't mandatory in this game

[brittle tiger]

so they should add Mk3A2 grenades

[upbeat wadi]

cause they basically are for real life swat, it's that or they're all deaf by their fourth run

[brittle sable]

ive seen one dumbass who said "i dont run a supressor because it will stun my enemies with the loud noise"
i gotta dig that up

[upbeat wadi]

in the game you mean?

[brittle sable]

nah

[brittle tiger]

by that logic then i say we give swat teams a HK51

[brittle sable]

shit just full auto in the building before you make entry

[brittle tiger]

i.e., a 7.62 NATO rifle with a 8 inch barrel

Void pls add :3

[spring knoll]

so THAT'S what happened to the old laundromat

[willow glen]

So true

[upbeat wadi]

lmao
yeah imagine his surprise when he finds out whom exactly the loud noise actually stuns

[brittle tiger]

Void you better ADD this

[upbeat wadi]

tell him to pack a fal or an m14

ak47 if he can find one

those are great for such shock tactics

[stone bay]

Better idea: pump the entire house full of mustard gas

[willow glen]

Yeah but like 2 points of ballistic protection or gas

I like my flashes and ballistic mask but I acknowledge the superiority

[stone bay]

Gas has delay and blocks vision

[upbeat wadi]

i prefer ketchup gas

[stone bay]

And sometimes they just ignore that shit

[brittle tiger]

give M2 Flamethrowers

[upbeat wadi]

in the three missions ive done so far i ran NGV + IR laser on two

[willow glen]

Bro

[stone bay]

NVG are literally useless

[upbeat wadi]

maybe not the optimal loadout but damn it's cool

[willow glen]

The only map you need NVG for is 213

[upbeat wadi]

lights up the laser but

[stone bay]

Theres like 2 rooms in the entire game that you need NVG for

And you have a mf flashlight

[spring knoll]

i honestly really don't like using NVGs just cause the lighting in this game is so pretty and the NVGs kinda just ruin that

[willow glen]

Flashlight used to be useful for one area on dealer so maybe nvgs there

But they removed that

[spring knoll]

ESPECIALLY in 213 which i think has some of the best ambient lighting in the game

[upbeat wadi]

yeah that was one of em
the other was the gas station cause it was the first mission and i had no idea what to expect or what to pack, the briefing said night time so i went ok ngv it is

[willow glen]

With the remodel

[willow glen]

Ah I see

[willow glen]

Yes but also

That ambiance is dark

At times

[stone bay]

And the devs cant figure out how to make lights turn off (even though a modder figured it out)

[spring knoll]

flashlight was enough for me

[willow glen]

Enough to warrant NVGs

[stone bay]

So NVGs arent even gonna get a use

[upbeat wadi]

yeah it's pretty i'll give you that
but my goal was to pass the mission, not to do it in the prettiest environment i could

so next time

[willow glen]

Honestly 213 has more than enough area to justify them

Only place I used them tho

[stone bay]

Like barely

[willow glen]

I took a flashlight for that one area in old dealer tho

[upbeat wadi]

yeah one of the houses has that attic area that's almost pitch black for the most part

and there's ALWAYS at least a couple methheads up there

[willow glen]

Bruh I like my pretty pictures and even I’m not gonna be like that

[upbeat wadi]

also the damn vc tunnels

[willow glen]

Then again

[stone bay]

I run nods on crack shack even tho i dont rlly need it tho cuz it looks badass

[willow glen]

I play on 0 monitor brightness

So lowest I can be

[stone bay]

Theres your problem

[willow glen]

No

[upbeat wadi]

if i remember right they're almost pitch black too except like 5 tiny lightbulbs they hung

[stone bay]

You cant see shit

[willow glen]

I can see every other goddamn level

Perfectly fine

So the Nods go on for 213

Cause I am not changing my settings for a mission

I am aware the game looks bright enough at my normal 30

[upbeat wadi]

btw what's the difference between nvg and nvg-whatever, the second one with a couple more letters at the end?

[brittle sable]

cosmetic afaik

[willow glen]

But c’mon also they need a place to be used

[brittle sable]

ones quad nods ones double nods

[upbeat wadi]

aight thanks

[willow glen]

Yeah just cosmetic

[stone bay]

I think the quads might have slightly better visibility

Never checked tho

[pearl shuttle]

I think the quads are just cosmetic tbh lol

[upbeat wadi]

half the item descriptions are missing or are just useless tbh, i shouldnt need to ask such shit in here or look it up on steam guides

[stone bay]

Cant even figure out the bullet caliber of all the guns

[upbeat wadi]

not exactly 1.0 behavior is it

[spring knoll]

do yall use green or white phosphor

[willow glen]

Listen man

[stone bay]

1.0 is a massive let down

[willow glen]

Muh TGA release

[pearl shuttle]

What

[upbeat wadi]

id played half a mission before 1.0

[brittle sable]

white

[willow glen]

I don’t care if there are 2 QA testers and the game is not finished

[upbeat wadi]

so im lucky, no comparison can be made for me

[stone bay]

There are testers???

[willow glen]

I used to use white but then my friend showed me green is actually so much nicer on the eyes

Like 2

[upbeat wadi]

i run green eyah

milder on the eyes and looks cooler

[willow glen]

I have never gone back, screw tactical larp

[upbeat wadi]

like that scene in zero dark thirty

[stone bay]

Theres no way theyre actually testing the game because there are so many small, but noticable issues that could have been fixed in like 10 minutes tops

[willow glen]

The green is so ahhhhhhhh relaxing

[upbeat wadi]

i dont think you quite imagine how qa works in games tbh

[willow glen]

Tapping methheads with good eyes

[pearl shuttle]

It's been confirmed that they've used ChatGPT for coding

[frail quartz]

Where did you hear that?

[willow glen]

As I said only 2

[pearl shuttle]

It's in one of the newsletters

[brittle sable]

doesnt unreal literally have a visual scripting mode

[spring knoll]

streamlining coding is one of the few ethical uses of AI

[slender adder]

you underestimate the difficulty of working with the unreal engine

[upbeat wadi]

basically it's not about fixing something in ten minutes as much as prioritizing shit

[stone bay]

They could have noticed this stuff with like 10 minutes of testing

[upbeat wadi]

AI sucks at it as of right now

[stone bay]

You have the camera thing that blocks the spectators view

[willow glen]

Okay here is a problem

[brittle sable]

they could have noticed it, but they likely wouldnt be fixing it for higher priority stuff

[willow glen]

No excuse for that yeah

[stone bay]

Lasers and flashlights dont cast through windows

[upbeat wadi]

it'll usually write something that does what you asked for, but at best in a real inelegant way usually

[spring knoll]

yeah

[upbeat wadi]

at worst there's gonna be a couple small errors in there

[willow glen]

But you see RoN had a funky thing where a lot of people experience vastly different issues

[spring knoll]

but i don't think it's related to the enemy ai issues tbh