👮ron-discussion

[plucky sage]

Mom look, I won a prize

[normal patrol]

quick take a picture

reach really fast for your phone and point it at me

[plucky sage]

I never noticed a kill me popup tbh, but I heard several people mention it, is it a real thing?
I mean, I usually manage not to kill civis and when I do it out of frustration (e.g. when failing the 73758th run of ides of March on nonLethal) then aiswat usually executes me immediately

Maybe beanbag to the face is not considered an oopsie and calls for immediate punishment

[onyx axle]

I usually get 2

one free civ

[plucky sage]

I should've really read the terms and conditions before accepting this job

[plucky sage]

Kill one get the second one for free? No?

[onyx axle]

eh its 50/50

[onyx axle]

also you can see it in the bottom left here #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

around 16 seconds

[plucky sage]

You confusing me with left and right but I saw it now 😅😅

[onyx axle]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message it happened again

got away lucky this time

[onyx axle]

oh sorry the other left 😅

Dyslexic, never been good with lefts and rights lmfao

[plucky sage]

She just been taking pictures of your war crimes

Leave her alone

[normal patrol]

🥹

is the swat suppression mechanic fair?

[onyx axle]

That's the problem

no witnesses

got a pact with the team, but that's it

[livid notch]

yes

[hasty cosmos]

can you guys recommend some mods to make the ai less john wicky?

we tried carriers of the vine like 40 times now and we still cant complete it, 1.0 vanilla ai is too unfair

so im looking for some mods now

[ivory kiln]

no crack for ai

makes the game much easier

[hasty cosmos]

thank you i will check

[hasty cosmos]

the mod browser isnt on steam workshop, do i download then in-game

[ivory kiln]

go to nexus and download

[hasty cosmos]

also they prevent you from getting achievements dont they

or do they

[ivory kiln]

nope

you still get cosmetics and stuff

[hasty cosmos]

ok but does this work on multiplayer

[ivory kiln]

everyone needs to have the mod downloaded

[hasty cosmos]

so if they do it will work?

[ivory kiln]

yeh

[hasty cosmos]

where do i copy the mod?

[ivory kiln]

go to ready or not then paks

paste the mod

and everything will go fine

[craggy yew]

What member d platoon has pimp slapped a suspect?

[ivory kiln]

what

they can slap suspect while arresting them

[craggy yew]

Nah specially a pimp slap against a suspect

[ivory kiln]

idk

[craggy yew]

Definitely king

You don’t earn a nickname like that without a cool story

Or respect

[ivory kiln]

what about judge how did he earn his nickname

[craggy yew]

He was made in a lab and the doctors needed something law related to name him

[ivory kiln]

likely cuz he's a killing machine

[craggy yew]

Swan got his by the things he does off the clock

[ivory kiln]

he hangs out with swans in the afternoon

[craggy yew]

Prescott got his from being a firefighter

[ivory kiln]

i don't get the reference

[craggy yew]

Arizona fire department

I winged it Prescott just sounded like a firefighter name

[devout carbon]

Is there a mechanic where when a suspect is taking a Civillian as a human shield they just choke them to death?!

[craggy yew]

Last time i saw a hostage he got instantly a new air cooling system for his brain

[molten vessel]

algum brasileiro pra jogar comigo?

[near schooner]

did anybody find out about the PORT HOKAN human trafic secret objective?

[livid notch]

in human shield scenario you have to be quick or prepared, or civie will be splattered

[outer shore]

Intro cutscenes would feel sooo badass

[devout carbon]

Got an S ruined because a suspect that didn't even see us took a civllian hostage randomly and strangeled them to death

Like we never saw eachother and he just randomly grabbed a civy and killed them

[outer shore]

If he takes a civilian hostage im not wasting time to precisely shoot his head im just spraying them both and moving on

[devout carbon]

pissed me off so much I just replayed the map with mods on lmao

[livid notch]

or throw a nade

[outer shore]

MG40 mod

[stone bay]

I’ve seen someone with tan colored NVGs is this a mod or am I missing how to change colors?

[tawny scroll]

o-o' imma continue clemente solo run

rust belt was already stressful enough for me 😭

[shy tulip]

Idk if I’d say rustbelt is that hard, it teaches you to cover corners and extend with the ai at least

Then again I lost my team in the final room because I gassed myself and there were a lot of suspects

[bright valley]

Rust Belt is just easy to get turned around and lost in.

[thorn stag]

türk yok mu dayı

[shadow ether]

They give you glow sticks for a reason

[bright valley]

I'm not a moron.

[shadow ether]

Does that imply glowsticks are for morons?

[bright valley]

It means I already know what the chem lights are for.

[true panther]

Rest Belt is definitely tough if you're used to being able to control the majority of suspects with just a couple of wedges

[shadow ether]

The internet sucks for figuring out the tone, I meant all that playfully
Though I did have a talk with my friends about glow sticks being a thing

[true panther]

most of the maps you can largely block off suspects and cut down on their aggression decently enough but on Rust belt you really have to expect they'll pop out behind you somehow

[shadow ether]

Your wedges are the guys covering the exits

[bright valley]

Fair enough, sorry for the miscommunication

[shadow ether]

I can only imagine how much it sucks with AI team

[tawny scroll]

I meant no ai teammates just me

[cunning girder]

I have the AI officers hold in a safe spot and clear myself. I guess, I can send everyone to therapy and see if I can load in alone... but when I go in with an AI Team, they shoot everyone and run around shouting.

[daring lily]

"how you like those sport" the best voiceline when arresting fr

[bright valley]

"You might wanna change careers... oh hey I know, how about a handc- suspect ready to go."

[kindred maple]

is the angled grip just a worse combat grip

[craggy yew]

Do you think guys d platoon shoots flat earthers on sight?

[Z] Kill me "i fucked up the gif didn't display"

[stone bay]

Yes

[bold sky]

not true exactly

unmodded angle grip does different things compared to combat grip

[lethal sparrow]

Nahhhh I just completed Hide and Seek PERFECTLY, and I still got a C. No penalties. Arrested lots of suspects. Prolly arrested more than killed.

God damn I just wanna unlock those two vests for the completion of that map.

[paper topaz]

the swat AI performs especially horribly on carriers of the vine

just had entire team one by one walk in front of a door, fire off an entire mag while standing still, die then get replaced by another member who repeated their blunder

and for some reason the shield guy just really does not know how to use a shield and unequipped it during his stand in front of the door session

also I wish you could take flashbangs off of SWAT corpses

[lethal sparrow]

Later imma js use non lethals

[hushed pivot]

Hey guys, i just completed Hide and Seek using only the taser and flashbangs but while i got an A, i didnt unlock the hanged man achievement. Does anyone know why? I immediately switched to taser before moving at the start of the level so idk

[inland wolf]

game is just shit like that

[hushed pivot]

Damn i really dont wanna do it again 😭

[inland wolf]

i did Wild West with the 357

yet it didnt give me the achievement either

[hushed pivot]

I was about to try that! Not gonna waste my time now knowing the achievements are bugged

[inland wolf]

at the end my AI used their long tac but that really shouldnt matter

[hushed pivot]

Oh i wonder if i messed up bc my ai used stingers and rifles. Idk you cant even make the ai use secondary or tasers so probably not

[mellow bay]

I have managed to get Medal of Valor, The World,The Hermit, and The Hanged Man all on the same playthrough.

[mighty elbow]

if they add female officers they should make a female equivilent of judge and give her the nickname DA because she does things by the book no exceptions

what do yall think

[lethal sparrow]

Bro I did it perfectly and got a c...

im using non lethals now

[craggy yew]

what if swam got a low taper fade 🔥

[paper topaz]

honestly carriers of the vine is a really homey place that I love the aesthetic of and wouldn't mind living in minus the basement torture chamber

especially the giant tree room

honestly such a cool location

but I'm at the point in the mission where I thought I have the whole place cleared but still haven't completed the bring order to chaos or detain all civilians objectives

[frail quartz]

PARANOIA INCREASED TO 100

[stable kernel]

For the "use only" acheivements, spawn and swap off primary immediately. You cannot use or pull out: NVG, any long tactical, wedges, anything not listed on the achievement that requires left clicking, or the multitool. Your swat using rifles does not matter (and is in fact how you deal with most of the suspects), but I would recommend not having them do anything other than hold, stack up, cover, follow, enter and clear, open and clear, or kick and clear, and search and secure

[hushed pivot]

Idk why there arent female officers in game already tbh

[frail quartz]

They want to add them at some point, but they pushed it back for the 1.0 release

[hushed pivot]

Thats what i did 😦 i didnt touch the multitool or tacticals

[paper topaz]

ah just found a suspect had randomly moved to the entrance

[craggy yew]

will the female officers have a gyatt

[hushed pivot]

Maybe they didnt due to having to remodel all the clothing items to them?

[paper topaz]

A ranking on carriers of the vine with no swat dead and not even any swat officers lost stress

[frail quartz]

Yeah I think that was one of the big factors too

[paper topaz]

there are female officers?

[frail quartz]

#👮ron-discussion message

[hushed pivot]

No

[paper topaz]

oh in future

shut

[hushed pivot]

Also why are trailers only visible in practice mode? And not commander or multi? I feel like its weird to have them in practice idk

Games fun but weird with its decisions lol

[paper topaz]

ah thats why... I saw they were added in the update trailer but haven't seen them in game

[lapis dock]

how do I fix "connection to host has been lost"

[mighty elbow]

pls do i want to see some hot female officers soooooooooooooo bad

[hushed pivot]

Yeah and i only use practice to dick around occasionally. It also takes forever for them to show up

[paper topaz]

restart, if tha tdont work verify game file

if both of those dont work, cry

[hushed pivot]

Report a hostage situation at your house to your PD, at least one of the cops will be hot 👍

[mighty elbow]

i'm good

[hushed pivot]

Hey just tryna help

[paper topaz]

I love how the briefing guy repeatedly says "I want two teams" as if the AI is smart enough to split up into 2 teams

[mighty elbow]

i know thx

[paper topaz]

God the 911 responders in the briefings are stupid "I'm at the coastal grove medical center [multiple gunshots in background] | "you're saying someone has been shot?????"

also no way a nurse calls scrubs "those green doctor overalls" I could see a non-hospital staff saying that but a nurse????

also I've called 911 multiple times and none of those times have I got "This call is being recorded" is that a normal thing for responders to say?

[prime wing]

I highly doubt it

Imagine screaming over the phone that you are being stabbed and being told "Mam you need to calm down, this call is being recorded ok?"

[craggy yew]

The liberals ruined the police dispatch

[paper topaz]

lol yeah, I've called for a burning bush and for a misdial and once I got "[Cityname] fire department how can I help you" all call center like and the other it was just 911 what is your emergency

I get the "calm down" if someone is actively panicking during a mass shooting as a means of more effectively communicating a hiding place/conveying information to police but the 911 dialogue is pretty wrong

[lapis dock]

someone help me fix "connection to host has been lost " please 🙏

[paper topaz]

have you tried verifying game files?

[lapis dock]

yes

[paper topaz]

have you tried restarting computer?

[craggy yew]

Connect to the host duh

[lapis dock]

yes

[paper topaz]

aight then that's all I can do for you, I'm clueless beyond there try makign a ticket or something

#💻tech-support

[craggy yew]

What member of d platoon has the longest edging streak?

[hushed pivot]

Me

[daring lily]

wtf

thats insane

i cant even finish it with a gun

[bold sky]

you can just mod the hell out of the game to do that achievement if you like

some mods straight up let you have god mode and infinite ammo so its no surprises there

still waiting for a mod that somehow just gives you all your achievement at this point

[craggy yew]

Woah that’s against steam tos

[paper topaz]

honestly I feel like relapse is the best done mass shooting mission... Elephant felt like there were no stakes as there were like 5 people in the school and Neon Tomb had corpse piles that would genuinely take hours to construct. Relapse has enough victims so the situation actually has gravity but also has a lot more things like ballons floating against the ceiling, realistic amounts of corpses (as opposed to a meter tall pile), and just feels a lot more realistic

also the (spoilers) ||Bomb|| feels a lot more realistically guarded than in elephant

[hidden cedar]

no one has to gift me ron bc someone else did

[wispy burrow]

sssssscccreeeww steam

[craggy yew]

I lied it’s not against steam tos

[wispy burrow]

why did you lie to me 😔

[lapis dock]

how do I fix connection to host has been lost

[wispy burrow]

go looking for connection, it couldn’t have gone far

[lapis dock]

ur a fucking idiot

[hushed pivot]

Didnt ask

[lapis dock]

fucking idiot

[wispy burrow]

☹️

[hidden cedar]

end your life

[hushed pivot]

No u

[hushed pivot]

[wispy burrow]

kiss each other now

[hushed pivot]

No thats gay

Why you telling me what i already know @hidden cedar

[hidden cedar]

idk

[wispy burrow]

Reminding you I guess

[hidden cedar]

yeah

[hushed pivot]

Women are crazy

[hidden cedar]

ong'

[wispy burrow]

women don’t exist

they are just men with a wo

[hidden cedar]

IM HERE

[hushed pivot]

Wo

[craggy yew]

Not real

[wispy burrow]

this is a man don’t fall for it

[craggy yew]

U.S.I.A plant

[hushed pivot]

No women in ready or not = no women irl

[paper topaz]

dude you keep asking this message here #💻tech-support exists for a reason and no one here knows how to solve it

[bright valley]

gamers

[hidden cedar]

theres women in ron

[wispy burrow]

there is?

[hidden cedar]

yeah

[wispy burrow]

WHERE?

[paper topaz]

vine

also theres a girl swat team mod

that exists and surprisingly isn't sexualised

[mighty elbow]

hello yall its nice to meet you guys

[hidden cedar]

IN THE RAIDFS

[wispy burrow]

I’m still on killing white security dudes in hacking database mission

[mighty elbow]

nice name ashley

[hushed pivot]

Really? Ive only seen men and femboys you must be mistaken

[paper topaz]

also I'm pretty sure chat rn is like 75% girl

[wispy burrow]

LAME

[hidden cedar]

ur mom

[wispy burrow]

I WANT RON FALLOUT 4 LEVEL SEXUALIZED

[mighty elbow]

LETS GOOOOOOO

[hushed pivot]

I want ron to be 100% non binary

[hidden cedar]

i want it to be men

[craggy yew]

WOKE OR NOT 😡😡😡

[hushed pivot]

Lmfaooo

[mighty elbow]

i'm a lesbian so i hope we get more women

[wispy burrow]

NO

[hidden cedar]

slay

[wispy burrow]

I WANT MORE MEN!

[paper topaz]

I don't think Ready or Not is the best place to find future partners but slay

[mighty elbow]

NO BEGONE FIEND

[hushed pivot]

Samee

[hidden cedar]

favirote drug

[mighty elbow]

i'm not trying to find a partner lol i jut prefer to hang with girls

[hidden cedar]

???

[paper topaz]

I get that lol

[paper topaz]

shoomz

[wispy burrow]

FACTS AND IM A DUDE

[hidden cedar]

w

[hushed pivot]

I want girl guns in RoN 😤

[wispy burrow]

what are girl guns

[hushed pivot]

Female guns

[paper topaz]

automatic

[bright valley]

understandable have a nice day

[hidden cedar]

they have pus for the parrel

[tough spire]

:abesimpsongif:

[hidden cedar]

barrel*

[paper topaz]

they turned off reacetions???

[hushed pivot]

Yeah no barrel 💀

[bright valley]

[wispy burrow]

I will not tolerate automatic slander

[paper topaz]

you think that was slander?

[wispy burrow]

if I say yes I’m sexist so no

[hidden cedar]

i like that thing walter white cooked

[paper topaz]

if I've learned anything from WW1 it's that artillery is the solution to everything and that automatic weapons are female

[mighty elbow]

how are all doin?

🙂

[wispy burrow]

only guys watch breaking bad you are NOT A FEMALE

[hidden cedar]

BRO

[deft saffron]

meth

[hushed pivot]

Having a gay time hbu

[paper topaz]

:extremelyLoudIncorrectBuzzer:

[wispy burrow]

you misspelled CORRECT

[hidden cedar]

MY BF GOT ME INTO IT

[wispy burrow]

makes sense understandable

[hushed pivot]

What is a woman? Philosophically speaking

[wispy burrow]

XY chromosomes right

[hushed pivot]

No its the extra one but close

[paper topaz]

I don't know what you're trying to say and that makes it funnier

[wispy burrow]

oh the female is XX okay

[bright valley]

the mistake was significantly funnier

[paper topaz]

and even that it isn't 100% because punets square and probability and biology is weird and all

[wispy burrow]

what would happen if I had YY chromosomes

would I be extra man

[hushed pivot]

Ded

[wispy burrow]

no no I would be extra man

[hidden cedar]

im gonna play fn with my friend

[wispy burrow]

My testosterone levels would be through the roof

[hushed pivot]

Why 🤢

[paper topaz]

pretty sure that's just called down syndrome

[wispy burrow]

when did females start playing Fortnite this is a new common thing I’ve been seeing recently I don’t like it

[tough spire]

technically speaking everyone is a woman at conception but why the F is this being talked about here

[deft saffron]

So what got everyone into this game

[paper topaz]

chat asked if girls existed

[wispy burrow]

but why is there a MAN in a WOMAN

[hushed pivot]

Since it launched? Tf you mean

[wispy burrow]

CAP

[tough spire]

Because man is lesser than the original woman.

[wispy burrow]

like one in a million maybe

[silk junco]

ive been playing since season 1..,

[deft saffron]

bruh what did i just walk into

[wispy burrow]

epic perm banned my season 3 account I am very sad

[bright valley]

Someone started talking about women and then it got weird, I dunno.

[paper topaz]

girl chat

[tough spire]

This chat is stupid a shockingly high amount of the time. How's your RoN run going

[deft saffron]

is this how girl math was invented

[deft saffron]

pretty good, some of my army buddies got me into it, since i was there adopted civi

a large amount of new slurs have entered in to my lexicon, so much so that i am surprised i can still speak normal

[hushed pivot]

Lmao

[mighty elbow]

pog

[deft saffron]

whats everyones fav mission

[tough spire]

Very possibly Brisa Cove

[deft saffron]

is that where there are some arms dealers?

[bright valley]

Before 1.0, Sinuous Trail was my #1 favorite, now I'm honestly not so sure. That one got a fair bit harder and there's just a lot of good missions now.

[tough spire]

Naw it's the idiot veterans

But there's a lot of good ones now, what MoPiloCat said.

[bright valley]

you won't stop our message [blindfires M249 for the next seven consecutive minutes]

[crisp ember]

im tryna hop on pubs but no ones on oce rn

thats craaazy

[deft saffron]

are you an Aussie or a Kiwi

[bright valley]

I absolutely resent this particular shortening of my name lol

[crisp ember]

🇦🇺

[tough spire]

Coulda been Kim Light

[deft saffron]

MoPiloCat, nice ring, and oi aussie boi noice

[wispy burrow]

I would just call you Mo cuz I’m too lazy

[bright valley]

certainly thinking about it

the transition period of people who would recognize my name not knowing who the hell i am just kinda sucks though

[tough spire]

I have been George for way longer than my usual handle here. Embrace the silly

[bright valley]

i have a mild silliness allergy

[tough spire]

Talk to Kim Light, put him on safe.

[bright valley]

Kim is definitely a lady's name imo

It is done.

[tough spire]

Might help you get spotted by the hopeful lesbians on the RoN disco.

Yessss. Embrace the typo!

[bright valley]

No no, I have a boyfriend already lol

[bright valley]

Legally speaking, it's Kimberly Light.

[tough spire]

Damn you got me there. There's no good fancy version of George.

[bright valley]

Yeah nah, just a lot of feminine forms when I googled it now.

[mighty elbow]

can you tell me some of them?

[deft saffron]

No 😂

[mighty elbow]

pls i'm not going to say them in public or online

[deft saffron]

I don’t trust this

[mighty elbow]

just when i'm mad and no one can hear me

[hushed pivot]

You finna be framed 💀

[mighty elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-sad-sob-lament-uncontrollable-gif-19007906

i won't i swear

i am a woman of my word

[hushed pivot]

I dunnoooo

[mighty elbow]

trust me

[bright valley]

i don't even trust that you're an adult

[mighty elbow]

i'm 18

turning 19 this on july 4th

[hushed pivot]

Cap

[mighty elbow]

i'm not lying

[bright valley]

🧢

[silk sail]

[dreamy garden]

And kills two (friendly) suspects who walk into the bullets that just penetrated two walls, ending an S rank run

[bright valley]

Last time for me it was them shooting the bellhop inexplicably.

[stone bay]

How many calls for compliance do you use before opening fire on a noncompliant suspect? My maximum is two.

[shadow fern]

Taser or pepper spray?

Doubt it’ll work on armed suspects right?

[stone bay]

So will two shots to the torso with 5.56 AP.

Much faster

[bold sky]

i honestly would avoid taser if i can w the wonky hit reg rn it feels so bad when you point blank taser and the shot randomly dont register bc the game feels like it

well ok not point blank it seems like if you actually point blank the suspect rn your gun for some reason decide to not work at melee range and your shot dont register at all

[fresh oxide]

yes you are

[fresh oxide]

Taser. Pepper spray makes them shoot at me

[bright valley]

If I'm running lethal, I watch their gun for movement towards a fire position before shooting and minimize my own yelling if other people are already doing it. If I'm running less lethal, I shoot first and yell second.

[bright valley]

In singleplayer, I've had more luck hipfiring the taser with the laser pointer. In multiplayer with my crappy internet, I don't even bother.

[dreamy garden]

taser 100%

As long as you can hit your shots, taser SHOULD stun instantly

[bright valley]

Oh booo robot moderator with the false positives, I wanted to read the rest of what he had to say.

[dreamy garden]

its funny how filter basically protects the suspects that portray terrible people

[mossy ridge]

I feel like voice lines could have been done better. The way you report a dead officer if very strange you start like "Entry team to TOC" and then a second after you start screaming at the top of your lungs "OFFICER DOWN UNRESPONSIVE"

[dreamy garden]

pepperspray useless
suspects cry like babies, cover their faces with one arm, but still dump an entire mag into you and your soon to be dead body

with no effect on accuracy

[bright valley]

Yeeeeup, that's been my experience with it. Pepper spray doesn't seem to have a role that it's effective in currently.

Versus non-compliant civilians maybe? But those are rare and melee is free.

[dreamy garden]

exactly

[earnest phoenix]

can you switch out officers and still get the hermit achievement

or does it need to be the 4 you start with on every mission

[dreamy garden]

Still very annoying how you can only carry 4 taser cartridges

[bright valley]

I'm appreciative that you can get a very serviceable amount of taser shots from just one slot, but the fact you can't use more slots to extend that further does suck.

The old system where is was like, what, two shots per slot? That was stupid.

[bold sky]

you should be glad that we are only gimped by the bot that they download from wokemyassdotcom; our mods are somewhat based and couldnt care less what we do to work around the bot

most servers that install censor bot this woke usually have overtly cringe mods

talking like begging for female officer every hour for the sake of fictional gender equality level of cringe

[dreamy garden]

Nearly every single word for the suspects in the missions for this game are filtered

Any way you refer to them truthfully and bluntly

[bright valley]

I understand the point of the bot, the false positives are just an annoyance.

[dreamy garden]

gone

[bright valley]

Also probably could have given a better example of "cringe" than "begging for female officers" when replying to one of the women who want that feature, but alas.

[bold sky]

yes amidst all the shit we dont have we gonna ask for that

[stone bay]

I just want squad management to come to practice mode dammit. Assaulting the Voll House with thirty cops seems more achievable than five.

[bold sky]

wonky hit reg, misaligned sights, the frequent ai complaints

at least we have good gunplay

[dreamy garden]

Besides submachine guns

Those kinda suck unless you flip the fun switch

[bright valley]

I don't ask for it because it's already confirmed lol.

[stone bay]

Then you lose ammo way quicker

[bold sky]

its confirmed like a bunch of things they confirmed but took foreer to come

[dreamy garden]

exactly!

[bold sky]

i would rather it comes very late after we fix some of the more pressing one

[dreamy garden]

not worth it at all

[bold sky]

not to mention that kind of novelty sounds like something people can just get w mods

as for the whole smg argument it does not seem like you have visited the data sheet we pinned in here to figure out the optimal setup to kill something

smg going full auto is fine so long as you know how many shots should drop something so you can control yourself

full auto doesnt mean just mag dump you can rein it in

[dreamy garden]

They've got quite the gigantic workload in the next couple of months just consisting of bugs...

[bold sky]

in the bug forum rn there are only 4 legit bug

the rest are people complaining

[bright valley]

Automatic fire is most of the reason I'd even bother with RoN's SMGs. If I just wanted to fire pistol rounds in semi-automatic I'd use a pistol.

[dreamy garden]

Would you consider this a bug:
Suspect flailing around, gun in hand, coughing from pepper
You go to melee him after calling out like 7 times, gun still in hand
he instantly teleports into his given up position hands up, gun still in hand, some times flying away
-50, unauthorized use of force

[bold sky]

i would consider it so trivial you can just ignore it

this is like people pestering uganda to hold gay pride parade when they are literally just trying to get funding for clean water

[dreamy garden]

Also most people report bugs, with mods...

I wonder why their game is so buggy.....

[crystal sierra]

Why game can't normalize Alive but unersponsive suspect as an ALIVE ffs 😫

[bright valley]

I honestly haven't touched many of the feedback/bug forums since 1.0, I have like one feedback post regarding the AI SWAT'S LTL usage that I put a lot of thought into and that's it really.

Most everything else I'd be able to say is stuff that's already been said.

[dense quest]

Does the paramedic always save a downed officer by the end of the mission?

Or is there like some condition

[ivory kiln]

i think we should have a mission where the left behind and the hand are shooting at each other and swat is called in to solve the situation

[sturdy galleon]

Ok, ive come streaght from a game in the stupid Relaps, now I know why its called that! How many people have the AI just pop out of nowere and head shoot them even though they are waring a facemask!! ??

Installing "No Crack" AI mod

[iron star]

Easy mode mod

No crack goes way overboard and makes the ai literal target practice, without solving the predictability of suspects

[ivory kiln]

but without it the ai are superhuman

[iron star]

there's other mods!

mods that tune down some aspect and make stuff, like taking cover or hostages more common

[ivory kiln]

no mercy for terrorists is nice for trigger happy people

[iron star]

Great to go bang bang bang after grinding relapse s for a day

[ivory kiln]

agreed

i just wanna shot some pedos

but is there a mod which balances the ai

[zenith burrow]

there is

just forgot the name

I heard it has a nice balance of difficulty

cause some other mods just make the AI too easy

[forest dragon]

they should add the amount of swat ai u want in a particular mission

[fiery flame]

the team ai as seem to be standing a lil to close to these c2's

[earnest phoenix]

can the perks of different officers stack

like if i had 4 officers with the negotiator perk would that make everyone surrender way way easier

[bright valley]

Somewhat, though it has diminishing returns the more you stack.

[vocal roost]

Yo this guy is in the N est servers blaring Bible verses on the mic every night for the past 2 weeks ruining lobbies mods can we do sun about that

[bright valley]

Apparently nobody has done anything about it for years.

[vocal roost]

He has multiple bot accounts too

So fucking annoying

Ruining every lobby

@short venture you know anything about this ? Literally killing every late night game on the east coast with multiple accounts

[hazy topaz]

Is it true that the MLO have been cut???

[analog flare]

they need to start bug fixing and optimizing before they even try to add new stuff especially pvp

I tested the pvp mode (mod) and its actually pretty good if they dont change the core mechanics rn. The ballistics are great. But they need to ensure the foundation is stable

[hazy topaz]

I agree with you and I don't mind waiting for them

But I've heard that they've cut them completely out and aren't bringing them back

[craggy yew]

I eated them they won’t be in the game sorry

[sturdy galleon]

True, after playing with it just now it definitly makes it a little too easy (I was able to solo, kinda fun but will want to go back to a bit more dificalty). I see there was anothing mod that looks more balanced (populare at the moment on Nexus)

[fiery flame]

what is the logic in replaying missions in commander mode

like, do the people who died from last time just wake up like nothing happened and rob the same place again

[winter orbit]

We let them go and tell all the dead civvies/suspects to grow up, get back in position, and do it again, this time properly

[fiery flame]

so its just like a really complex act

with real props

[winter orbit]

Judge is actually an inpatient in a mental health facility.
We do this to try and help him cope with the trauma of 25 years of active service as a SWAT commander

So far, we've seen limited progress at best

[fiery flame]

interesting

then what is the logic behindd therapy olny having 3 spots

like, cant they find just one more person to help the team

[winter orbit]

Most of the team is working with Judge directly.
The few therapists and professionals that aren't busy are assigned to his team to help as best they can

[fiery flame]

makes sense

[winter orbit]

We hold out hope that one day David will show improvement. His family misses him dearly...until then, though, we keep trying

[fiery flame]

so are the missions just like flashbacks maybe

[winter orbit]

Rust Belt and Hide and Seek are.
Port Hokan was Mr Beaumonts last mission

His anger with FISA and the casualties on the mission led to his breakdown, sadly

[fiery flame]

how do you get all this lore, where do you find it all

is it just like really hidden

[winter orbit]

I have a big brain
My source is I made it the fuck up

[fiery flame]

bros brain is chat gpt

[winter orbit]

Exactamundo

[ivory kiln]

Actually judge is a veteran who joined swat cuz he was bored with civilian life

[fiery flame]

so what is true

this is confusing me

i about to watch some 2 hour documentery just to find the truth

[civic zinc]

Commander mode isn't even the chronological timeline

[ancient rapids]

nothing.

all you have ever known does not exist

[civic zinc]

Gas station is the first
Port is the last, but that's about where commander's accuracy to the in game timeline ends

Evidence locker portrays a very different timeline

[ancient rapids]

my timeline is true

[fiery flame]

facts

[dreamy garden]

Use a shield, its really good on relapse because they can't tell the difference

Used it to beat S rank relapse on vanilla

Went pretty well

Well, that is until they start offing random civilians/shooting them in the crossfire

Because civs sure love walking through a firefight

[fiery flame]

How are we supposed to save all the civs in elephant

[dreamy garden]

Speed

[fiery flame]

im not sure that possible

well have you seen the auditorium

[dreamy garden]

What side do you spawn on though

[fiery flame]

front enterence

[dreamy garden]

That plays a huge role

[dreamy garden]

Try the other side

Be careful of the outside door, suspect might spawn infront of it

and one might spawn peeking the stairs you see

Its relatively easy to speed through that side if you know the spawns

No matter lethal or not

[fiery flame]

are the suspects coded to shoot the ai, because i mirrorguned under a door and there was a suspect and 2 civs just standing

[dreamy garden]

Most definitely yeah but someone said theres a time limit before they start

However true that is I don't know

[fiery flame]

that suspect clearly found his friend in the hallway

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art hmm

whats behind the door

[tranquil swallow]

did they remove the dual wielding crackheads?

[thorn current]

directx12 or directx11?

[atomic trellis]

Directx12 for better performance

[thorn current]

ok

[atomic trellis]

Which is harder? Brisa Cove or Sins of The Father? (I think thats the name of the map)

[tight frigate]

if i had to pick i’d say brisa but both are easily done via George M, Go! on the doors

[dreamy lodge]

Tbh, I think brisa cuz of all the traps and all the corner/open hallways where a suspect could come out off.

Also wow similar pfps

[livid notch]

Brisa Cove imo

[stone bay]

What do you guys think the best map on the game is

i liek streamer map

easy and small map

10/10 for doing war crimes

[broken haven]

day 3 or 4 of the ides of march

12 hours on the ides of march

still not completed,. lets go

[pallid zephyr]

Why did Void decide to change so many things in the game? Like we were supposed to get a rotary grenade launcher

Are there just things put on the back burner for right now or are they removed indefinitely?

[hearty parrot]

It's on the table

[pallid zephyr]

Goofy ahh

[urban walrus]

Likely back burner since the Rotary GL is still in the game files.
Still, there are some that have more chances to be removed forever, like the modes for each map.

[pallid zephyr]

Unfortunate

[inland wolf]

Lethal obsession is a barricaded suspect map despite it only being 3-5 suspects

[ionic pivot]

I miss the M32 flash

[inland wolf]

sounds more like a raid to me

[crude prism]

M32A1 was already OP, having the ability to reload it would basically ruin the entire gameplay experience, better left to mods

[pallid zephyr]

Hard disagree

[crude prism]

It's a semi-auto cheese cannon with no downsides

[ionic pivot]

It was, I’m not asking for a reload, I just miss dumping all the rounds into a room while panic firing

[crude prism]

still can't flash yourself with 40mms on 1.0

[inland wolf]

how about deployables actually do their fucking job

[pallid zephyr]

Also we were supposed to get a drone too

[inland wolf]

you’ve got suspects standing in a shit ton of gas just completely unfazed

[pallid zephyr]

Just load it with cheese, problem solved

[ionic pivot]

can’t accidentally die to your own 40mm CS projectile bouncing off the wall at Mach 2

[urban walrus]

We are supposed to get a very different version of RON, but shit happens and here we are

[crude prism]

Quote me 12/6/23 talking to hunter: "Is using 40mm launchers still playing the lottery of whether you explode yourself and die instantly when firing?"

Hunter: "fixed™"

they actually just removed the impact damage

[pallid zephyr]

I agree but still, it seems they had working systems for these things. I wonder why they decided to go a totally different direction.

Now don't get me wrong I still love them game but shucks

[ionic pivot]

I miss how much the gas one bounced, actually had to think of where you were shooting it so it didn’t clip someone

[bright valley]

The fun problem of designing a launcher that near-instantly causes a flashbang explosion directly in the middle of your line of sight by design.

[crude prism]

It's weird that the 40mms don't flash/sting the user because it just makes them instant-win-buttons with no downside

[urban walrus]

Probably realized that their old vision is too big, like they were aiming at AAA here, but they didn't have the other 2 components that are AAA team and budget, so they have started scaling down the game since 2018

[crude prism]

Even if you just round the corner to point blank a suspect, it's not like you'll disorient yourself

[ionic pivot]

The stinger launcher doesn’t disrupt you anymore?

[crude prism]

Unless I'm insane, no

But then again you can also stand on the actual stinger grenade and take no damage sometimes, so who knows

[ionic pivot]

I’m just surprised they never added a baton round launcher when they added all the M320s

[bright valley]

It's one of those things like the breaching shotgun working far, far outside of the point-blank range it would realistically be applied in. I feel like it's just that way to minimize problems for people who are attempting to use the device correctly.

However, super exploitable behavior as a result.

[pallid zephyr]

That do make sense. Hopefully we'll see some of these features implemented one day.

[dusk heart]

I have no idea how people play this game on non-lethal only

[bright valley]

With a lot of dying and restarting, typically.

[umbral oar]

they aren’t people

[dusk heart]

I used to be a cop and the modded ROE is actually way more realistic

Hide and Seek et al becomes way more easier too lol

[dusk heart]

bro fr

[crude prism]

Pepperball isn't so bad, the beanbag is pretty painful unless you have nice high + steady frames to actually hit shots

[bright valley]

Less lethals have a way looser RoE than lethals in vanilla, that also helps. Anyone with a weapon can be shot on sight with less lethal before even yelling for compliance.

[dusk heart]

Oh yeah irl too

most hardened bad guys fear tasers more than actual guns, because they can be used more easily

[sick stone]

CS gas is the way to go if you’re trying to S rank levels

[dusk heart]

I use CS constantly

no bad guys seem to have gas masks

[sick stone]

Literally 5 things of beanbags and the rest in CS gas with light armor

The only time I had to switch from it was the ruby ridge mission

[dusk heart]

Thankfull CS grenades do not start fires

[bright valley]

I struggle so much with the pepperballs. Takes too much time and too many shots to stop an armed suspect from shooting. Indirect fire is cool though, just hard to rely on for a whole mission.

They do work nice when you give the whole AI SWAT team them. Firing squad of pepper versus one guy, lol.

[urban walrus]

Also that 2018 thing is from here https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/uc6h76/comment/i6bt1q8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[dusk heart]

You can play this game super realistically but weirdly you would get much lower scores

The game tries to incentivise you into doing really goofy stuff

[ivory kiln]

we should read news reports of the mission we completed

[craggy yew]

I be randomly doing the interview pose from the trailer whenever I’m at a desk

[dusk heart]

good

power posture

[bright valley]

It's just a gamification of the continuum of force. RoE could be a lot more lax but the game would turn into R6 terrorist hunt pretty quickly.

[dusk heart]

I use the ROE mod and its pure bliss

We just need to have stingers and flashbangs incapacitate people

Yeah I understand why they do it

[bright valley]

The idea seems to be putting the players in a vise where more force would make it easier to survive the mission, but less force would get a better score.

So you're trying to balance it.

[dusk heart]

My only real complaint about this game (ive modded the AI) is that it should be about using just the right amount of force

Get dinged for not taking the shot when you are supposed to

[crude prism]

The default ROE is pretty generous. It will basically only penalize you for straight up executions. (not counting bugs with animations where suspects are technically surrendered but not actually appearing so)

[dusk heart]

you dont get the full score tho

[bright valley]

The problem is that basically any suspect can be easily escalated into justifying the maximum use of force.

[dusk heart]

It's not as commonly reported as when a cop shoots someone when they are supposed to but hesitating will also get you fired almost as quick

[dusk heart]

oof I didn't think of that

its not how I play tho

[bright valley]

It's just kind of how they're coded in, none of the suspects have an upper cap on their aggression. Everyone wields chekov's gun, lol

[dusk heart]

It is rather odd that people prefer to shoot it out with the cops

[crude prism]

The issues with the scoring system are much more apparent on larger maps, as suspects make up a bigger percentage of the total points

[dusk heart]

Trynna to pepperball dudes across the map on hide and seek

[crude prism]

Shooting 5 dudes on Gas gives you 25/175

But shooting the 20 dudes on Relapse gives 100/700

[bright valley]

I've played another game that had a really similarly gamified RoE, Hot Brass, but it had the advantage of being a top-down shooter with very clear visuals for stuff like aggression level.

[dusk heart]

The 20 diehard terrorists screaming they will never surrender

[bright valley]

There basically wasn't civilian or suspect, just armed or unarmed with four levels of aggression: compliant, neutral, stubborn, and hostile.

Stubborn would be a refusal to surrender but not attacking. That was the bar for LTL usage, but you were also expected to use LTL against people who were unarmed and hostile. Lethal was only acceptable for armed and hostile.

[crude prism]

RoN will penalize you for shooting at people that are explicitly hesitating (a-la armed & stubborn)

[bright valley]

It's actually a mission failure in Hot Brass if you violate RoE once, that's how tight the gameplay was lol.

[crude prism]

RoN would probably be better like that tbh

[warped saffron]

bro is there a way to not have the entire mission just end because my npcs dont do anything and the ai aims and kills me before i even turn a corner

[bright valley]

So RoN's rules are similar but more forgiving, it only differs in that there's no such thing as the truly stubborn suspect who is visibly armed but refuses to either attack or drop the weapon, nor the unarmed but hostile suspect.

[bold sky]

who cares about the scoring system anw

i just put in the effort to avoid killing civ and thats good enough for me when im having fun

its more about personal perception than what some cringe numbers tell you

[bright valley]

Personally, I like the RoE/Use of force continuum to differentiate the gameplay from milsims.

[bold sky]

@crude prism where the hell did you manage to datamine the attachment stats btw

[shy tulip]

Unfortunately gamers chase numbers, so most people only care about the score

[bold sky]

i find those people to quit the game very soon or eventually

[stone bay]

I just started playing and this game puts me in some commander mode and I have absolutely no idea what it is, is there anyway to play normally without having to worry about sending my troops to therapy?

[bold sky]

kinda like swat 4; eventually most people who are left and play frequently to hook more in or just maintain the community kinda get pass the score fever

you can just play practice mode; all missions are unlocked (?) and you get the og ai cast

[stone bay]

ok thanks

[bold sky]

eli lost some of his very chad voiceline tho i think? or its just been so long since i last heard those

[ivory kiln]

they need to fix the performance

[bright valley]

It's on the to-do list, I'm sure. Step one is figuring out why the performance is so bad in the first place though.

[ivory kiln]

i hope so

[bright valley]

It's not even really so much about the numbers to me as much as having a reason to use all the tools in the toolbox and having more complicated scenarios arise out of having potential but not immediate threats in the room with you. Keeping eyes on both the door to the room you haven't cleared and the suspect who has surrendered but might pull a hidden gun at any moment, stuff like that.

It flattens the experience if everyone who could become a threat is just dropped dead on sight IMO.

[balmy yacht]

Theoretically, can some bits of the Optiwand script be used to implement a usable CornerShot weapon in the game?

It'd be cool to have in the game

[bright valley]

Programmatically, I'm sure it's possible, though I think there'd be balancing concerns.

[crude prism]

Are you asking for the literal filepath? I'll have to get it later

[final halo]

they're using UE5 if im not mistaken so they might rely too much on nanite?

[tacit gull]

RON is on UE4

[final halo]

really?

[tacit gull]

Yes

[bold sky]

not really asking filepath you dont have to look for that

[final halo]

that makes sense then, optimization wise ue5 is a lot better

[balmy yacht]

It kinda sucks irl like slow it is to reload

[bold sky]

but did you datamine the attachment stats or just tested it @crude prism

i just assume you datamined bc its prolly too much effort to test and find out exact numbers like that

[crude prism]

Went and peeped myself

There's a ridiculous amount of duplicate attachments

There's like 6 versions of the SRO Dot for different weapons

[tacit gull]

Honestly i get the feeling some of the optimisation issues come from the customisation they implemented, since having a lot of players in my lobby now chokes my game more than anything else

They also mentioned that having physical equipment on SWAT would be a "performance issue"

[bold sky]

does "hide muzzle flash" attachments that arent silencer actually do it

like on top of the fact sfmb just being better than asr numerically does sfmb actually suppresses your muzzle flash

i just dont really feel any of that but could also be bc g36 and f90 muzzle flash is not that intense

[crude prism]

I believe that both ASR + SFMB use the same muzzle flash, a reduced version of the default un-muzzled flash

[bold sky]

sounds about right

[bright valley]

You'd think it'd be the other way around so there's actually a choice to make between less muzzle flash or less recoil.

[crude prism]

Yeah so BTW the UMP suppressor that used to say "increased vertical recoil" now says "reduced vertical recoil" but hasn't actually changed stat wise. still increasing recoil 🙃

[native rune]

I mean it’s not like muzzle flash matters too much anyhow

[bold sky]

the .300 rifles recoil pattern are so much better w combat grip

[ivory kiln]

my ai teammates shouldn't kill me for killing an surrendered susppect

[bright valley]

You're not wrong.

[bold sky]

is ump just fucked after 1.0 too

i thought its silencer is busted so i didnt use it anw but recoil pattern still so shit all of a sudden

was meta for a while now just in the hot garbage bin

cant be worse than mpx tbf but still not that far off

[native rune]

The mpx is so fucking broken lmao

[bright valley]

Just speaking from a general game balancing perspective, redundant or obvious customization choices are usually bad for the player.

[bold sky]

you can just mod the game if you want balancing rn tbh

i enjoy the data mining for vanila bc vanila is standardized for everyone

but once you know whats up w vanila you can go about getting mods to correct stuff yourself

gunfighter is honestly the best bc of that; some changes to attachments but not over the top and is just a raw improvement over vanila

[crude prism]

Are you saying you don't want to use the GM Suppressor on the SPC-9 that increases recoil by 20% instead of the other suppressor that reduces recoil by 10%?

For literally no reason?

[bright valley]

This guy gets me, lol.

[bold sky]

ok you could have used another example lol

[crude prism]

WOW BRO, cahsing the meta huh??

[bold sky]

i do put on gm supp for spc

mostly bc spc is the only gun i run that actually can use gm

gm supp is a good flavor attachment at least it gives you something for the recoil trade off

[crude prism]

I have to try it more without the suppressor now. Because the game was just lying with attachment stats 🙃

[native rune]

The SPC has very weird obstructive compression with gunfighter though iirc

Like if I aim in and go near an object the gun goes up into my eyes

[bold sky]

spc is insane in vanila but w gunfighter the rifles are just so good

the rifles in gunfighter bc the attachments are buffed the recoil pattern is a lot easier to handle

i still run spc where they wear light armor

[native rune]

I do like the reduced gameyness of the recoil patterns

[bold sky]

also deadzone demonstration when?

big shoutout for the material penetration brief demo btw @crude prism

[crude prism]

I tried to record vids for this, but the difference in 'drag' is extremely minor to the point where it basically doesn't matter

[bright valley]

I like the different guns feeling a little different from each other as a result of their firerate and recoil, but I don't like that some guns have outrageously bad recoil for no apparent upside.

[arctic forge]

Why is it taking the devs so long to release next patch???

[bright valley]

It just does any fans of the IRL gun dirty.

[bold sky]

so prolly unless you swing 180 degree in low ready and instantly raise gun to fire then it doesnt matter?

or does it not even matter in that case

just curious bc it might have impact on my perceived hit box reg issue

maybe i just swing too hard and get dunked on w the recoil pattern

[native rune]

Some of the team are still on their very brief vacation so they aren’t at full strength yet

[bold sky]

yeah the team is very international so they plan to take a break from christmas through chinese new year too

so like 3 more weeks of break at least

[true panther]

where in the game files can we see the weapon stats? I'd love to take a look for myself

i took a peek in the steamapps/common filepath but didn't find anything interesting for RoN

[crude prism]

I can give you an actual list of what you need to grab later. If you want to dig through it yourself. Otherwise just use the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[true panther]

Thanks, much appreciated

[crude prism]

You will need some of the UE4 modding tools like uAsset and uModel (modding discord can provide those)

[bold sky]

are the black suits in sins the ones with max tier armor

or does the model imply nothing

havent really got to test bc the few times i arrest them they already got hit or i was running ap

[crude prism]

If I'm remembering right, it's the guys specifically with the LVARs + FALs

[steel ibex]

i have a silly question

[bold sky]

so its not model dependent and is still just random?

[bright valley]

They're really just going all out on the kit huh, lol

[steel ibex]

are the drawings in brixley talent time ai generated? theres a ton of weird errors in the drawings that dont look like a human could have made them

[bold sky]

was just curious bc the black suits almost always never drop to stuff less than ap rifles to chest usually

[bright valley]

There's some assets in the game that are unquestionably AI-generated, so it's entirely possible.

[steel ibex]

they used ai in making the game?

[crude prism]

For random wall art? Seems like it

And the subtitles

[bright valley]

Hopefully not for any code.

[steel ibex]

oh fair

[steel ibex]

yeah

[steel ibex]

i was looking around the police station and some stuff looked so weird

[white goblet]

ai subtitles are becoming the norm it seems

i've noticed it a lot with streaming services

[crude prism]

It's certainly a good choice for Void in the short term, the new subtitles system would require the manual transcription of literally every voiceline in the game

There's like 16000 for just the 10 SWAT guys alone

[bright valley]

To be fair, they wrote the dialogue in the first place.

[white goblet]

They could have at least done a double check of the subtitles, but hey we got George M

[prime wing]

I would do it for free

[bright valley]

Someone in the modding community already partially has

[crude prism]

Transcribing and assigning the subtitles to show up when a specific voiceline.mp3 plays requires a lot of manual work

not the same as just dropping the script into the game

[white goblet]

As much as I'm grateful for the modders who fix games for FREE, it only highlights that game devs need to do better

[bold sky]

in area other than subtitles ngl

subtitle rn is borderline cheating considering how most people are using them to check if their nades whiffed or not

[bright valley]

It's a lot of work but it's also a lot of "sit down and do it" work and not anything that requires a lot of mental energy or creativity.

[crude prism]

yup

[bright valley]

Like I've done assembly line quality control as a job before. Repetitive, boring tasks like that can fly by if you just get into the groove and do them.

[stone bay]

Is there any way to make finding the suspects easier

Ive been on this big map for 30 minutes and I still havent found some

[bright valley]

If you're close enough, you can usually hear a response when you yell for compliance, otherwise you're kind of SOL. As a preventative measure, it might help to wedge doors you don't intend to use to keep any wanderers contained.

[noble laurel]

1911 is insanely powerful

I keep one shotting people through armour

[mighty elbow]

u using ap

[craggy yew]

Muh 45 acp

[bright valley]

You can one shot anyone through armor if you aim for the face

Tragically, I think the USP kind of overshadows the 1911s. Same ammo, but more of it.

1911 is hella stylish though. Love its tactical reload.

[mighty elbow]

yeah

wait it has a tactical reload!!!

[bright valley]

Every weapon does except the revolver, I'm pretty sure.

[digital marsh]

Do you guys think they’ll ever introduce PvP ? The games a ton of fun and I’ve been getting S rank on all the missions slowly with ma frens. I’m only asking because the gun play and mechanics would be insanely fun and more competitive in PvP

What do you guys think? I am sure this has been talked about here

Or even more mission possibly? Or we can be the bad guys in the missions ???

[crude prism]

Supposedly PvP is coming, I expect we'll see it on the coming roadmap

[ivory kiln]

imagine in the holding cells we have suspects who we arrested in our missions

[balmy sentinel]

Yup

[shrewd oriole]

I don't really care for pvp

[spare scaffold]

I think if they add PvP and make it half decent it at least adds value to the game. I will admit , I think 50$ for what’s offered currently is quite high.

[inland bay]

Me neither

[shrewd oriole]

More so care about fixing current issues and adding content.

[spare scaffold]

I do agree with this.

[inland bay]

I've just been playing on practice mode. I'd rather have fun than deal with stress levels and aimbot AI. 🤷‍♂️

[stone bay]

Dunno why you’d want PvP in a PvE game, let alone a police simulator game

[shrewd oriole]

50 bucks is way to much for this game and PvP probably won't be balanced.

[stone bay]

You know everybody is gonna be on the shotgun meta if PvP was around

[shrewd oriole]

If it's a barricaded suspect type thing I'd be interested though.

[inland bay]

PVP...so basically Cops And Robbers, like when we were kids?

[spare scaffold]

One thing they need to add is different cam angles for after you die. Idk about you guys but I want options for third and first person when spectacting. The head cam makes me sick

[stone bay]

Yeah I miss the old bodycam view

[shrewd oriole]

You can talk to people on death though. Kinda ruins it. Wish they overhauled the voip

[stone bay]

The headcam POV definitely makes me feel something. And I don’t usually get affected by motion sickness (having played games like Dying Light, Mirror’s Edge)

[crude prism]

PvP would probably need a separate slew of ammo types and armor. The current system is not tailored towards PvP engagements at all

Like no ammo types can penetrate steel or ceramic, full stop

[shrewd oriole]

Can't hear dead people, better local voip, and a better radio system.

[inland bay]

Everyone would be running around with shotguns.

[stone bay]

Which is why I dunno why people would want PvP. I never liked the idea of PvP in a game like this

[fiery flame]

why cant i level the buildings if i just dont want to do the mission

[stone bay]

Then you’d be playing Battlefield now

[crude prism]

There's certainly a market for it. Seeing how often it gets asked. But RoN is NOT prepared for it with the current setup

Like just slapping gamemodes into the current maps/ballistic system would not work at all

[stone bay]

Ye optimizations and balancing the suspects + other problems would be at the forefront before they even consider PvP or adding SWAT AI in a duo setup

[shrewd oriole]

The current gameplay would lend to some, interesting pvp

[fiery flame]

dont set the resolution scale to 50%💀

[crude prism]

Shotgun leg + JHP limb meta for sure

[stone bay]

I’d do anything at this point just to get a few extra frames

[bright valley]

I'm skeptical of how well it can actually work. I've seen people play using the PvP mod and it really doesn't look like RoN.

[stone bay]

I dunno what more I can do

[shrewd oriole]

I'd only be interested in a sort of barricaded suspect game mode. Perhaps with a morale system for suspects that forces a surrender in certain situations.

[bright valley]

Way more run-and-gun and spamming.

[shrewd oriole]

Also force surrenders on stun

[digital marsh]

Just wanted to hear others opinions and thoughts on the topic there’s things to address beforehand like @shrewd oriole mentioned that I agree with. Was more so wanting to see what the players are interested in atm

I absolutely love the game and will play every mission 10x with or without PvP. I just thought because of how good the gameplay is, it could be fun

[stone bay]

Imagine a PvP lobby and the preaching guy joins

[dull raptor]

Brand new to the game. What does everyone think? Is the game fun solo? Or do you need a group or a friend to play with? I’ve been having a blast with commander mode myself.

[digital marsh]

💀💀💀

[stone bay]

lol yeah it’s fun but some maps are huge

[digital marsh]

Solo is sooooo fun and realistic 💯 with friends is fun-er tho

[stone bay]

Also mods help a lot. Gunfighter mod

[digital marsh]

^

[stone bay]

Pretty easy it’s just drag and drop files and it adds some stuff idk the technical stuff it does but it makes the game easier single player

[stone bay]

I was already having fun even when the SWAT AI was dogshit. But now that they're revamped, definitely fun going solo. If you got friends to play with, it's also fun to let loose depending on how ya'll play together

Running vanilla though on solo is defo not the way to go, mods help elevate the experience of the current state of the game

[near schooner]

fun fact : the revolver can only incap unless its a headshot

or you empty a whole entire fucking clip on 1 person

[mossy ridge]

Imma test it right fucking now.

[stone bay]

It better not be with your beef on that one wall

[dull raptor]

That could be really useful for arrests honestly

[stone bay]

9mm weapons

[noble laurel]

Why on earth is he throwing ammo away when I switch ammo type, that's so dumb

[dull raptor]

Yeah, also true

[ivory kiln]

how do you do emergency reload

[stone bay]

I randomly do it ^

[stone bay]

Double press R

You can pick up the magazine you threw away I think. Or somebody else can if it matches their ammo type in Multiplayer

[crude prism]

Do revolver reloads drop anything on the ground? I don't think so?

[stone bay]

Not that I'm aware of

[crude prism]

I don't think I've ever looked

[shy tulip]

I would imagine not

[stone bay]

lol pick up the individual bullets

[ivory kiln]

ty cuz i did it accidentally

[shy tulip]

Mag packing sim

[bright valley]

reloading the revolver by dipping it into a satchel of ammo like a glass in a tub of water

[crude prism]

It's that easy

[stone bay]

Is it by design that you can't load the revolver like you would a shotgun? Individually instead of wasting a whole cylinder after I only fired like 3 shots

[crude prism]

It's just simplified so there doesn't have to be 700 reload animations for it

[stone bay]

[mossy ridge]

Yep.

[crude prism]

That's how every gun is tho? Suspects are incapped and then killed if you keep shooting

2 separate health pools

[dull raptor]

Ig, but there are some guns that are easier to spray and pray or straight up accidentally kill a dude

[crude prism]

shotgun moment

[shrewd oriole]

I'm feeling a reason to commit treason

[ivory kiln]

i think there should news reports of missions we have completed

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[crude prism]

"Underfunded heroic SWAT team takes down a malicious cult that has been kidnapping and murdering people."

"Governor has lowered the funding to the LSPD in response, as 'if they can do it with 5, they can surely do it with 4' "

[humble mauve]

there erm...

is....

[dull raptor]

“Quirked up SWAT Element murders TOC, when questioned, ‘His voice was annoying as hell, I hear him everyday,’ says one Senior Officer.”

[prime wing]

shit, didnt work

[stone bay]

"No bodycam/headcam footage was shown during the Voll Health House raid"

[ivory kiln]

absolutely

also what are the soft objection in 23 megabytes a second

[crude prism]

|| Nightstand in the streamer's room, streamer's PC, server racks in the other apartment||

[dull raptor]

What does Soft Objection mean? I’m brand new lol

[ivory kiln]

ty the nightstand is the one i couldn't find

[crude prism]

They're extra reportables that add to the worldbuilding, but that aren't needed to complete the level (they do give you a small amount of score though)

[ivory kiln]

and are needed for s rank

[dull raptor]

Ohh, I played the game like a year ago and I was wondering how to get S rank lol. Thank you!

[daring lily]

man i hate the jumpscares on this game

[civic zinc]

"Lone swat officer clears penthouse after entire squad wiped out by a single grenade"

[crude prism]

Yes

Idk why I read that as a question

My b, lol

[frail quartz]

"BREAKING NEWS: A terrorist group known as The Left Behind composed of several ex-military veterans have finally been killed after a failed assassination attempt on a politician responsible for the war veteran's funding cut which many of them relied on to survive."

"In other news, funding cuts to various other social programs have been finalized including the children's hospital and homeless fund. God bless America!"

[dull raptor]

“The police have finally been defunded after a successful SWAT operation to save a gas station, school, and stop a terrorist organization! The funding is reportedly going directly to fund DC Comics, ‘I like Batman,’ says Ron DeSantis.”

[frail quartz]

He's got my vote #BATMAN-IS-AWESOME

[ivory kiln]

"5 men with beanbag shotguns successfully arrest terrorists responsible for nightclub shooting"

[shy tulip]

SWAT kick ass and chew bubblegum in local streamers house

[smoky ermine]

Are the levels replayable (ik they are but like fun to replay)

Which map is that

[ivory kiln]

the data center

[dull raptor]

I thought that was 25 MB/ps?

[ivory kiln]

23 megabytes is about the streamer

[dull raptor]

Oh yeah you right

[frail quartz]

"Narcissistic streamer who treats others like shit turns out to be a horrible person. In other news, a fork has been found in a kitchen"

[tough spire]

Most of it can be solved by just avoiding the middle server racks until the very end. And then gassing them out if you can

[ivory kiln]

is he actually an asshole

cuz the briefing didn't say anything about that

[frail quartz]

...I'm guessing you didn't play the mission

I really don't wanna have to spell it out if I don't have to

[knotty ermine]

When you order your squad to fall in, you are given 4 options

What does Diamond and Wedge do?

[frail quartz]

This breifing explains what all of them do #announcements message

[ivory kiln]

you say as if he was known to be a narcissist by everyone

[frail quartz]

Yeah, the game says that Michael was popular for his "frequent outbursts on streams"

In the trailer he's shown arguing with his mother with the camera still rolling

[ivory kiln]

oh sry didn't pay enough attention

[woeful egret]

I mean anyone who consumes ||that kind of media|| is generally not a very nice person

[ivory kiln]

what i was trying to say is that everyone in the public knew he was an asshole

[woeful egret]

true

[ivory kiln]

which turned out to be true according to the trailer and briefing

[woeful egret]

S rank evidence is a police report about ||him getting kicked out of his own party||

[knotty ermine]

If you tell your officers to peek, pie or slide, does it reveal them to enemies?

[ivory kiln]

how tf is that possible

[knotty ermine]

I want to know if them never getting spotted is a feature or a bug

[woeful egret]

||sexually assaulted someone in attendance and all his guests forcefully showed him the door||

[ivory kiln]

he didn't even try to hide his stuff

i'm surprised he had goons loyal to him

[woeful egret]

los suenos moment

[ivory kiln]

someone on reddit made a theory that they were extorting him for the bitcoin farm

[woeful egret]

I mean that would make sense

[ivory kiln]

and that he called the cops

using a voice chager likely

[woeful egret]

IMO the one person it's morally correct to extort ||is a nonce||

maybe they're the ones who made the swatting call

[ivory kiln]

idk

[woeful egret]

get the money and take him down

[ivory kiln]

who knows?

[woeful egret]

open ended storytelling my beloved

[ivory kiln]

2 factions took advantage of his bitcoin farm

the goons in the level extorted him

while the ones who made the call were aware of this and used it to take him down

[woeful egret]

lmfao I can't use the P word while talking about the map

[ivory kiln]

cp?

[woeful egret]

in reference to the dude

four letter word

[ivory kiln]

just call them child diddlers

[woeful egret]

from memory there's messages in his chat along the lines of ||"He's def a nonce"||

when you bust into his room

so I assume his viewers had suspicions

[ivory kiln]

i mean his viewers seem happy

some of the comments look like they waited for this to happen a long time ago

[woeful egret]

tbf if someone got swatted and shot/killed on camera during a stream there'd def be a subset of viewers clowning it

[ivory kiln]

sure but considering his public reputation it's likely they wanted this to happen

[woeful egret]

but yeah it's ALL like that so I assume they knew something was up

I mean the name milkytoes alone would be a huge red flag at least for me

[ivory kiln]

who tf names themselves milkytoes wtf?

dude obviously has a foot fetish

[dull raptor]

His viewers said, “Yip in hell, fur f**!” (I won’t be saying the slur, of course)

[woeful egret]

can't forget the jokes about shooting the dog

best part of the map

[ivory kiln]

where was the dog?

[woeful egret]

nah there's just the odd comment in the chat making fun of the police stereotype

[ivory kiln]

isn't that more of an atf stereotype

[woeful egret]

I mean as a non american it's kinda all US police branches that have that connotation in other countries

[misty snow]

I saw they’ve addressed reaction times and morale for suspects, is it in action yet?

[woeful egret]

god I hope so

the second I can uninstall the cracked but sweet mod I'll be a happy man

[misty snow]

What does cracked but sweet do?

[woeful egret]

slightly lowers reaction times and adjusts morale so you can take most people alive

[ivory kiln]

i prefer no mercy for terrorists

i just wanna kill me some criminals

[woeful egret]

I haven't really tried any of the other mods but that's the first one I tried and it does exactly what I wanted it to

[misty snow]

Sounds like a thing zero hour would be good for tbh

[misty snow]

Maybe I’ll download it when I get home

[woeful egret]

I just want a mod that adds a rare animation for 213 park homes suspects to be choofing on the crystal pistol

[woeful egret]

there's a few difficulty levels, the mod itself is called no crack for AI on nexus, cracked but sweet is second hardest

[misty snow]

I see

[woeful egret]

like they're still pretty lethal, and the left behind/terrorist factions are still pretty fucking accurate but the average tweaker isn't rambo tier

[misty snow]

Sounds about right

[frail quartz]

Now that I think about it, I'm honestly surpised they never added that

Why wouldnt the people in a methhouse be doing meth when you arrive?

[woeful egret]

well they fucking look like they do

[misty snow]

Those fuckers absolutely do

[frail quartz]

Not everyone there is a cook apart of the trade though

Some people are just living there

[misty snow]

I ain’t see one person in there who doesn’t look like a bri’ish lad with their teeth

[ivory kiln]

realistically we don't have to fire a single shot due to all the methheads being too high to realize what is going on

[woeful egret]

some of those fuckers look like the ghouls from fallout

[misty snow]

Ghouls from fallout is CRAZY

[split citrus]

I might as well say this while I'm playing. I should only get points deducted for Unauthorized use of force only if I do not shout orders for him to surrender. I should only have to tell a suspect to drop his weapon ONCE, after that, I'm blasting him before he blasts me. 🤷‍♂️

[ivory kiln]

your honor the suspect was armed and dangerous

[split citrus]

Exactly

I shoot you in the damn leg and still can't get a grip. Nah, FOR SURE authorized.

[stone bay]

No Mercy for Terrorists removes that, just FYI

[split citrus]

No idea what that is. 🤔

[ivory kiln]

your roe is much loose

[split citrus]

Oh

[ivory kiln]

alowing you to shoot suspects on sight

however shooting a surrendered suspect will get you killed by the ai

[split citrus]

Well, any who, devs need to change this. I honestly consider this a bug. Hell is it "unauthorized" and I explicitly ordered him to surrender? 🙃

[woeful egret]

nah dude you never know it could just be a 10 year old with an airsoft gun

you have to take a round to the chest to make sure

[split citrus]

Suspect should also be able to surrender when shouting surrender commands before entering the room. Way I see it, if that gun ain't on the floor by the time I bust through, than I'm blowing his knee caps out. 😑

[woeful egret]

knee caps?

I'm turning the wall into a jackson pollock original

[split citrus]

Ehh, only if I know exactly where he is I guess. Could be hostages in there too.

[woeful egret]

true

hostage is just a suspect who hid their gun well enough to me though

[stone bay]

Which is why I have my team breach and clear first.

[split citrus]

Some maps are too big to have your team clear every space. I just finished sinuous trail. So many damn entry ways. Had to wedge a ton of doors on that map. They need to at least make co-op ten players if they are making maps this big. That way they'll be two teams.

[bright valley]

I'd consider Sinuous Trail to be more of a medium-sized map when compared to the rest of the roster.

It's bigger than the small maps like Ends of the Earth or Thank You Come Again, but absolutely dwarfed by stuff like Relapse or Hide and Seek.

[dusk heart]

Have we got a mod for you

[woeful egret]

it's about the size of the house part of valley of the dolls minus a floor right

[dusk heart]

No mercy for terrorists does basically what you are saying

There are even different options

When you mod the ROE and the AI the game becomes more or less perfect imo

[silent needle]

havent played the game since it came out, decided to get back and swear it feels worse

ai wont even do what i tell it to anymore

[stone bay]

My search and secure commands get ignored half the time. Having them fall in and reissuing only works sometimes.

[silent needle]

good to know its not just me thank you, aaand right back to playing anything else

[restive gorge]

checks a door, no trap. opens said door dies to trap

[bright valley]

"no tripwires, boss"
open door
tripwires

[inland wolf]

anyone know what objectively is the best 5.56 cqb rifle?

[bright valley]

G36C or F90 I'm pretty sure.

[inland wolf]

do you know for what reasons

[woeful egret]

f90 because you can larp as the ADF

best gun in the game for that reason alone

[inland wolf]

lame

larping is for goobers

[woeful egret]

I am potentially joking

[split citrus]

🤣

[bright valley]

Minimal recoil according to MMMM's testing. G36C has exclusive sights.