👮ron-discussion

[viscid bane]

I would’ve thought command

[summer oasis]

i want a mod where when you kill civs instead of TOC going "ROE blahblahblah" they say
"Well, he should have called in sick" or
"Maybe she should've stayed in bed"

[dreamy garden]

best way to clear port non lethal with AI?

No matter how I bring them around the map

They crumple like 1 ply toilet paper from well across the map

with heavy armor and steel plates

And when they go to arrest suspects they just state at eachother and let their team die

[viscid bane]

Try installing “based TOC”

[summer oasis]

holy shit thank you

just what i needed

[viscid bane]

Try swapping steel with ceramic

You could also put shields on all of them along with ballistic masks (always put ballistic masks on AI)

[bold sky]

if hes running less lethal and remember the angles already steel is prolly better with how all the mechanics work in the game rn

not to mention if armorer still isnt working then ceramic is gonna be massively underpowered

[dreamy garden]

Doing regular for now, no campaign

[bold sky]

steel is still better

you can get hp back more w steel and its just more durable

[dreamy garden]

I remember every single map and the spawns by heart, but the ai just sucks with following commands

They ignore blatant suspects who are blasting them and overextend so often

[bold sky]

now that i know bleeding still patch you up then steel is just stronger

free hp thru out long maps

[dreamy garden]

Ai matches the players speed, right?

I heard that in a video and not sure if thats true

[bold sky]

that idk

[dreamy garden]

I always run stab vest so they should be speedy

if that logic is true

[bold sky]

dont even know if stab vest really give you more ms it only feels like it

[dreamy garden]

Its the acceleration to full speed that changes

[bold sky]

description in this game is next to pointless

thats the thing is that even confirmed or tested

we only know steel reduces per plate bc its noticable

everyone here was hyping for armorer then guess what doesnt fucking work at all

[prime wing]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[viscid bane]

Damage is still applied through steel and has a chance to cause bleeding due to spall, if you manage to get shot enough to break ceramic you were dead anyway

[crude prism]

For everything that's not 9mm/10mm/.45acp, Ceramic blocks 3 hits. The 4th shot that breaks your armor deals damage to you.

[viscid bane]

Does it show when it’s broken on the paper operator

[crude prism]

nope

[viscid bane]

I remember seeing that in pre 1.0 videos

[crude prism]

Been broken since Adam when they introduced the individual armor zones

You can at least tell when you're taking damage, because the torso behind the plate will turn red

The little pouch on the side of the waist is a good reference for your torso status

So if you're wearing ceramic + full coverage and the torso turns red, at least one of your plates is broke

[viscid bane]

Misinformation my beloved

[dreamy garden]

but this is AI

[crude prism]

no1!!!!11111 no misingofrmation in roncord!!!

[formal flax]

i am not trying to throw doubts but can you provide a source because this sounds wrong based on my experience

[crude prism]

Sure, got an ammo type of choice or should I just do whatever?

[formal flax]

i just scrolled up and looked at the massive google doc with a source

[crude prism]

That's still me, so you gotta ask yourself... "Do I trust the smile person?"

[formal flax]

a quick read says it's normally 4 shots to break ceramic

i.e a rifle caliber will deal 1 durability damage and ceramic has 4 durability total

[crude prism]

ye

[formal flax]

so it's actually correct but for some reason AI gets to randomly one shot armour or i get to tank like 80 rounds to the face

good stuff devs

[tough spire]

Is it listed anywhere how the spreadsheet data was tested

[crude prism]

I blame the paperdoll not being accurate for a lot of the confusion

[crude prism]

Nah. I should probably put that somewhere though...

Most of the stats are datamined (for stuff 1.0), but I don't make assertions about things without testing to make sure

You can still see the leftovers of my confusion about systems on the old spreadsheet

[formal flax]

look man if someone wants to take the time to draw 10 outlines of armour plate hitboxes i am goign to assume they are trustworthy because who would spend that much time for a little bit of tomfoolery

[crude prism]

I am generally unmonitored at work and have access to a computer so uh, I'm chillin with y'all a lot of the time after getting my shit done

On the clock fucking about

[tough spire]

I'm not suggesting the person isn't trustworthy or put a lot of effort into it, but any single source of information that isn't, say, the developer without a method of recreating the test experiment is inherently dubious.
It'd be nice to peer review things for good data collection.

[prime wing]

Ehem ehem… scope/ bullet fuckery

Biggest shocker to me

But reasonable

[crude prism]

I'm happy to share methods or otherwise. But I really don't trust any outside sources. I was using an outside reference for the traits and uh, a bunch of them are just broken it seems

Not sure if that's after recent patches or always were

🤷

[frail quartz]

🎵 "BOSS MAKES A DOLLAR, I MAKE A DIME, THAT'S WHY I SHIT ON COMPANY TIME" 🎶

[crude prism]

A lot of the statistical information about ballistics can simply be looked up using uAsset and uModel, kindly provided with how-to-use in the modding discord

[tough spire]

Yeah valid. To be clear my desire for good data practice isn't a jab at what you made at all, it's great.

[crude prism]

For sure, no worries. I want to make videos for stuff at some point. But honestly I've got no idea where to start

Maybe I'll take a jab at the ole-misinformation vid that took off

"No, YOU don't know what your equipment does"

[tough spire]

You can slap whoever told me there's no drawback to using AP over JHP for me.

[crude prism]

Lol, I'm curious what would make you think there's a downside to using AP now?

[tough spire]

4 shots 7.62 AP as opposed to 1 JHP on Voll House security.

[crude prism]

Maybe if you're legging them

[tough spire]

All center mass

[crude prism]

I'm gonna have to ask you take a peek at the "Rifle Damage" page

[tough spire]

Not sure what you're wanting me to check here

[crude prism]

Idk how you would get 4 hits to center mass on the voll guys with any AP rifle round?

Unless they've got titanium arms...

Which honestly, I have a feeling that limbs are catching more shots since 1.0

so totally possible

They did mention a change*** to penetration on body parts

[tough spire]

If you're patient you can almost always catch someone from behind patrolling the hall at the beginning of Voll so it was definitely a clean body shot both times.

[crude prism]

I think there's hitreg issues still, there always has been, and it's for both singleplayer + multiplayer

[tough spire]

If it happened once, sure. I'd accept that. lol

[crude prism]

Unfortunately all I can do is give you the expected outcome in a vacuum, downsides of not being able to trust what you see in game

yeah actually I just got a great clip

one sec

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message
this shot should CLEARLY go through the arm and hit the torso

if 600 pen on 7.62x51 JHP won't go through arms, not much will lmao

[tough spire]

Dude just soaking minerals up

[crude prism]

I guess it's possible that with the changes to penetration, bullets lose way more damage than they used to

there was effectively 0 damage reduction on collateral hits before

[formal flax]

spend 5 minutes reading about armour

suddenly get an s rank on carriers of the vine after getting my ass kicked for a week

what does this mean

[crude prism]

knowledge is power?

[formal flax]

i didnt even get shot tho

[crude prism]

Knowing how it works is half the battle?

[prime wing]

I dont know if this is a redundant statement to make, but I feel that it is OK to die in ron. Not saying that it is not frustating at times, but besides preparation and having a full stack of friends, I feel that the idea of getting folded is anything but part of the game loop. Ofc the AI needs some revision, just saying that dying can have some value and it encourages players to try different stuff.

[tough spire]

Here here.

[crude prism]

You should definitely try out Kevlar for a while

[prime wing]

which one is the mid one

kevlar was it

[crude prism]

Dying in RoN when appropriate is fun, but most of the time nowadays I feel like I can't even fight back because of performance issues

Game just dies when stacking visual effects on top of already chugging most maps

[stone bay]

You should see me misthrow a stinger and they all get injured + I get penalized for friendly fire

[prime wing]

game took the ideas from Squad and ramped up the suppression

by 10x

now it fucks your performance too

[crude prism]

Pain

[prime wing]

You should try mods and join the darkside

should i say the CAGside

[safe ridge]

Man, haven't even played an hour of it and now I'm joining it. Just how it is being a pissbaby, ig

[crude prism]

When they add steam workshop maybe

Nexus and mod.io can blow me

[safe ridge]

Nah, you can still have the equi-

[safe ridge]

Wait why

[crude prism]

Had nothing but bad experiences with both. Steam workshop is just superior in effectively every way for the user

[prime wing]

Nexus is good as long as you have a good memory to keep track of what you are doing to your files, cause vortex sucks

[viscid bane]

I was originally using Kevlar because I thought it was level 3, it is not level 3

[viscid bane]

Only certain places give me terrible performance, at least I can use the 12x scope in this game, tried to play a marksman in Squad and got a grand total of one kill

[crude prism]

It is level 3 though, unless of course I'm being jebaited by you meaning the NIJ rating

[stone bay]

You should experience the game vanilla til you get to the difficult missions. Cause now you’ll really see why a lot resort to AI mods

[viscid bane]

I’m talking about the NIJ rating, the Kevlar in game doesn’t seem to stop rifle rounds meaning it’s not level 3

[crude prism]

Ayup

[viscid bane]

Steam workshop would also just make it way easier

[stone bay]

[safe ridge]

Bro, the first mission's suspects were enough to put the fear of god into me. (and temporarily refund the game)

[stone bay]

Who’s gonna tell him about Twisted Nerve?

[crude prism]

Funny enough RoN game files reference the NIJ system, but also pass it and go up to level 6, so it's also seemingly using the GOST system. Or I'm overthinking it XD

[viscid bane]

That the cabin one?

[stone bay]

The meth house

[safe ridge]

That's where I ACTUALLY EXPECT CRACKHEAD AIM

[stone bay]

Dw every suspect is military trained. Even junkies and methheads

[safe ridge]

No I mean I expect it because being on that stuff HAS to give you a sixth sense.

[stone bay]

Hope you get to the other missions to experience more of the game

[safe ridge]

I will. Just not with the aimbot :)

[viscid bane]

Can’t wait till he gets to the cabin

[stone bay]

Idk. I never had to use it, but it should theoretically work since you’re slowing down movement and reducing sway

What’s your favorite map to use gas on?

[stone bay]

23 MBps

But I use it on all maps that isn’t A Lethal Obsession

[spice verge]

hide and seek mission with NVGs yay or nay

is it worth bringing them

[stone bay]

I just tried clearing Valley with gas. An enemy was immune to it and managed to get close enough to stab me to death.

[stone bay]

RoN moment

[vestal crag]

Is there any fix for the fire button being not-rebindable properly?

[ancient rapids]

why would you rebind the fire button

[vestal crag]

cause im a bastard and I want to shoot with right mouse button

[ancient rapids]

what the fuck is wrong with you

i hope no one helps you with your issue.

[vestal crag]

I hope you learn to write properly instead of being a dickhead 💀

[spice verge]

goofy rebind lol

[tough spire]

Lefty players be like

[vestal crag]

it is but the game not letting you change it makes 0 sense when you could do it pre- 1.0*

[ancient rapids]

they did it on purpose

[vestal crag]

like why can I make an alternate bind for the fire button but I can't make the main bind the one I want it to be?

[spice verge]

whats the largest map on this game?

[prime wing]

mmm

good question

[tough spire]

Probably Relapse

[dreamy garden]

Does anyone know the max range of the taser?

And why it caps out at 4 slots

[viscid bane]

Port Hokan (hide and seek)

[viscid bane]

Not really tbh

[karmic lance]

this is something that tells me you need therapy more than a downed officer

[vestal crag]

Imagine getting this pressed over someone having a different keybind that you 💀

[stone bay]

People who use the arrow keys for movement instead of WASD

[vestal crag]

Lefties probably

Still doesnt make sense why Fire is not rebindable, but it is in the .ini file

[frail quartz]

That's cool and all, but peak this:

Arrow keys for moving your screen

[karmic lance]

the 10th circle of hell exists for those people

[stone bay]

How even

[stone bay]

[frail quartz]

iirc that's how they did it back in the early PC gaming days

[stone bay]

Like Doom?

[karmic lance]

even though thats true that still disturbs me that people would do that

[frail quartz]

Yeah, WASD to move your character and mouse to move your screen was only popularized by a Quake esports player

[stone bay]

Yeah nah I have a friend that plays with arrow keys on Lethal Company

He is him

[frail quartz]

Do they just have to awkwardly reach their hand to the left side of the keyboard to press the interact keys?

[safe ridge]

I feel bad for the left handed people who use keyboard. That HAS to feel weird.

[stone bay]

Most likely. And he got that tilted keyboard type of positioning

[frail quartz]

Oh crap I never even thought about that

[stone bay]

Any right handed tool in general. But that’s what makes left handed people special. They’re the most likely to be ambidextrous

[safe ridge]

Fair enough. I'm glad I'm mainly right but can do either. Just prefer the feel of right.

[summer oasis]

petition to add the .22 Eargensplitten Loudenboomer

[prime wing]

wtf is a loudenboomer

[summer oasis]

it splittens eargens and boomers louden

it's real german round

[prime wing]

fair enough

devs make it happen

[summer oasis]

it's literally a .22 with a huge f**king cartridge

it has way to much gunpowder

like

they took a .50 BMG, supersized it by 10%
removed the round and stuck a .22 long rifle in it

[earnest python]

It's really not

[safe ridge]

Even with the layout on your right hand for the keyboard?

[summer oasis]

correction
they took a .378 Weatherby Magnum and put a .22 in it

[earnest python]

Right hand's on the mouse

Unless you're talking about some super weird setup

[safe ridge]

Oh so there's no difference like I dreaded there would be.

[karmic lance]

that sounds more like something that would come out of texas lmao

[tight frigate]

why the hell wouldn’t it

[coral void]

For the rust belt revolver achievement, can I use grenades, mirror gun, or nvg

[rocky plover]

nope

[elder siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1146694944887681156.gif?size=64

[broken jasper]

Can you do the game solo?

like, no AI companions

[upbeat niche]

Theres a mod for that I believe

[stone bay]

Host a friends only game on multiplayer, you'll be solo then

[broken jasper]

thx!

[sacred pivot]

are they ever going to fix these ai bots???

[terse merlin]

has blud read the hotfix notes

[summer oasis]

i ain't readin allat

[safe ridge]

skill issue

[ancient rapids]

no they stopped support for the game

[coral void]

Is there a FAQ about being stuck in the loading screen?

[stone bay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3570/

[spring knoll]

hey all, are the AI able to finish a mission if i've died

like after taking down all civs and suspects the mission should auto-end right

[summer oasis]

how long does it take for the dude in the precinct to respawn

[spring knoll]

should just be a few seconds after you report and restrain him

[summer oasis]

thanks

[summer oasis]

i think they can

I have gained access to an M24

it only has one sound effect

[terse merlin]

yup

[summer oasis]

extremely impractical

[terse merlin]

also really bad damage

[summer oasis]

it blocks half the screen

trying the clear rooms is impossible

because as you enter the room

[terse merlin]

need a sawn off mosin

[summer oasis]

depending on where you've stacked

the transition from high-ready to downrange

it blocks the entire screen

also someone please tell me if there is a mod that allows me to fire my weapon in the station

[stone bay]

You can fire it at the gun range

[summer oasis]

i meant anywhere in the station

okay, killing suspects with the M16A4 makes them bugged

when restrained they dont flip over

[upbeat niche]

They can but most of the time they glitch and just stand stacked up at a door

[summer oasis]

and they're hands are unrestrained

[spring knoll]

yep just checked

😔

[burnt urchin]

Any tips on Ides of March?
These terrorists one shot me no matter when they hit. I got shot in the leg and died immediately.
Im cautious all the time, yet they just shoot through walls leaving me with no chance of survival

[deep jewel]

Use bots. Heavy armor, Ceramic, Shotgun, Gas before enter the room...

You know.

[burnt urchin]

Well sadly, they cant keep up either

And by that I mean I replaced ~7 units just on this mission

[deep jewel]

Huh.

Use shield?

[safe ridge]

Anyone know what other keys I could bind the element selection to? My mouse's scroll wheel does not function. :(

[terse merlin]

page up/down?

[deep jewel]

Uh.

[deep jewel]

True.

[safe ridge]

My keyboard does not have that extended section.

[deep jewel]

Arrows?

At ur right.

[burnt urchin]

Which one? HRT or Rescue shield?

[safe ridge]

Tried but the arrows didn't register, from what I recall.

[deep jewel]

Doesn't matter.

[deep jewel]

Great.

[burnt urchin]

Whats the difference between these 2 then?
Just the look?

[deep jewel]

Get new mouse.

[safe ridge]

Not really sure if they have support for arrows as binds. They really should.

[deep jewel]

HRT shield is... Dunno.

[safe ridge]

haha I am not made of money

[deep jewel]

Mhm...

[deep jewel]

Nuh uh.

[safe ridge]

No like getting this game took me over a month to save up.

[deep jewel]

Well...

[burnt urchin]

Oh well

[deep jewel]

Ping VOID-I-E and ask for it :D

[deep jewel]

Huh?

[safe ridge]

Wait you can? How? :>

[deep jewel]

Don't even try

[burnt urchin]

TLDR; Rescue shield is just a cosmetic

[deep jewel]

The moderator of this server will come to you, put you against the wall and commit a war crime.

[burnt urchin]

they function the same

[safe ridge]

Then why did you say that?

[deep jewel]

Do you know what Humor is?

[safe ridge]

I do, which is why I didn't find it funny.

[deep jewel]

Then go check out memes.

[burnt urchin]

Any other tips for S tier?
Shield is... dangerous.

[deep jewel]

Let me check..

https://youtu.be/kOEGw8ftp58?si=-DHzFgX4p1DmA3BJ

Here.

[burnt urchin]

thanks

[deep jewel]

One moment.

After You asked Me for help, You automatically made a deal. Now You must call Me Doctor.

Awesome.

[burnt urchin]

lol

the only problem I have now is the shotgun which doesnt work for distances longer than 2m on this map

[deep jewel]

Uh.

Well then...

I'm out!

[stone bay]

@muted lava Next update when?

@muted lava Thx

[carmine moon]

lol

[upbeat niche]

I kind of want to record some ready or not shotgun gameplay, make it like 144p, slap an axon bodycam logo on there and I promise you a majority of people will believe its real

[deep rain]

I just had a SWAT AI penetrate the outer concrete wall of the school building with a beanbag shotgun.

[stone bay]

Do it

[deep rain]

Something with the penetration system is bugged or not setup correctly

[upbeat niche]

Anyone know if theres a mod for different angles in replay

Like a bodycam camera or something

[viscid bane]

as cool as push to talk is it makes coordinating very difficult

[viscid bane]

aim issue

[stone bay]

AI ain’t there yet

we need human level AI

[stone bay]

not rlly just shotgun doesn’t work

[earnest python]

I use the shotgun almost exclusively and it works great

[viscid bane]

Are you using the right buckshot

One of them is for suspects so it’s pretty terrible

[civic idol]

So apparently I can only use: No vest/stab vest now

Is light armor supposed to show up on the character after you finished your loadout?

[viscid bane]

What

[prime wing]

Light armor is not visible on the menu?

[civic idol]

@prime wing Check DMs

Unless you want me to send it in media

[prime wing]

Just let us see it through media

Might be bugged

[stone bay]

Mods breaking it I reckon

[earnest phoenix]

did the lspd replace 9mm ammo with airsoft bbs i just shot an unarmored guy at literally point blank 6 times and he just flinched

[stone bay]

Cutbacks, please understand

[plain kraken]

Oh man patrol officer mod is a game changer. It’s like a different game now with just pistol and armor

Quite challenging

[burnt urchin]

well, I'd say more like bullet spread issue

[stone bay]

anyone know where's the trafficking records in buy cheap buy twice map?

alr nvm I found it

[manic tiger]

That’s why I go with .45 now

9mm doesn’t even hurt

[unreal trail]

yall sometimes just prolonged the gunfight to listen to the combat theme ?

[viscid bane]

I did that

[unreal trail]

damn we got alot of common serv

[rocky latch]

Wait how did you spend an entire hour

Me personally I just break every door rifle everything that moves

Somehow I don't even have to think and my hand just doesn't left click civilians

But if they made like civilian models hold guns i'd be fcked

It's never not easy

What you're doing just makes it easier ironically though

Going in blind >

[unreal trail]

are you trying to s tier ?

[marsh lark]

In case you have not fixed your issue it is because you have additional slots mod. If you want additional slots, only use gunfighter because other mods will make your armor disappear

[unreal trail]

lemme guess the map brisa cove ?

[stone bay]

Defo “Ides of March” Brisa Cove

[shadow fern]

If I shoot a couple rounds next to a suspect will that lower their morale?

[hollow ether]

does anybody have a good clear route for Greased palms? im having trouble clearing all the rooms without missing one.

[marsh lark]

Well I do not know how about that, it will however increase their stress level which makes suspects more agitated and keen on john wicking you and your swat friends.

[rocky latch]

Sometimes it helps them to surrender tbh

[faint cradle]

Switching weapons while aiming at them also seems to reduce morale sometimes for me but that might just be weird timing. Also commanding the ai to taze someone seems to work even before they are actually tazed

[burnt urchin]

What is the probability of the suspect surrendering after being shot with beanbag shotgun?

[dense quest]

I think it depends on other factors

The morale system

Some maps have suspects that surrender easier than others

Then you have neon tomb's bomber who needs like 10 beanbag shots or smth 🤣

[burnt urchin]

Meanwhile Brisa Cove's terrorists after being shot with bb: "Im just gonna ignore that"

[dense quest]

Quite literally everything about brisa cove is so annoying and difficult

Final boss ahh mission

[bold sky]

youll get used to it; its one of the few maps that you can clear reliably and beyond just using basic tactics eventually turning it into a practice range

suspects wearing shit armor but w hp modifier, and good angles with range variety

just a great simulator for clemente really

brisa definitely has the half of clemente second floor vibe

[burnt urchin]

I dont think no scoping through a corner and shooting through walls with super fast and accurate aim qualifies for basic tactics but whatever. What can I do against them for S tier? Gas seems good but its hard to even deploy it due to wall aimbotting

cant use the shield because its lethal, taser and pepper spray are very short range

[bold sky]

idk tactics wise you can figure it out yourself ngl, people here all have different ways of doing it

but if you are going the brute force way of trying to win every gunfight then you are on the track to solo clear the map even w the current ai

[mystic stream]

just use the less-lethal shotgun

[bold sky]

winning gunfight is still king in this game

doesnt need tactic if you drop them before they drop you

[mystic stream]

and when you use the less lethal shotgun; aim at the chest

[bold sky]

if you ask for guide literally what this man just said is what you gonna get so its better off to just bash your head against the wall and win gunfights

[mystic stream]

idk how people dont notice there are nonlethal weapons in this game, why would a shotgun be orange?

with the less lethal shotgun I mean the beanbag shotgun btw

[bold sky]

no shit pal

[mystic stream]

"pal" shiver me timbers

[bold sky]

maybe its bc resorting to using less lethal weapon to apprehend suspect in a map where nading is miles better is bad?

using less than lethal rn without any mods and legitimately getting s is not exactly ideal

[mystic stream]

[bold sky]

nading suspects if you remember every angle and land your nade is miles better

flat out disabling them and give you time to maneuver

[crude prism]

pepperball best brisa weapon

[bold sky]

just gas them ideal map for gas

i think the connector between 1201-1202 is the only one where gas kinda suck a bit

hard to lean and gas far from that angle if you went in from 1201

going from 1202 is just not great if the connector doors are open and 1201 have suspects shooting at you

[livid notch]

and wedges, lots of them

[opaque birch]

i got s on 23mbps using the beanbag.,,,.

but i did use gas so pairing those two is best

just gas every room you go into ezpz win

[bold sky]

if you want to use less lethal weapon im not saying you cant lol

but if you know the map well enough and can just nade all of them its miles better than taking a gunfight with a less lethal weapon

not that you cant use less lethal weapon and you should prolly run 2-3 mags of something even if you plan on nading

[tranquil swallow]

can you get an Unauth use of force from a bullet that travels through a wall?

[dense quest]

Idk I played sins of the father a lot more than brisa cove and I still found every run easier

[bold sky]

hmm thats weird considering how sins is designed to be a much harder map imo

significantly higher tier armor, hp modifier and bigger maps w a lot of flanking route

[worldly dew]

whats the max amouint of people? i just went into a server with 10 people

[bold sky]

with mods it can go up to 16 but you gonna crash

[dense quest]

I find it easier to contain somehow, however the glass balcony area is extremely difficult yeah

[worldly dew]

without mods?

[bold sky]

with in game menu at least who knows some chinese is gonna get you up to 100

without mods then its 5

[worldly dew]

k

so im guessing the guy hosting had the mod

[bold sky]

you kinda dont want to fight at the balcony ngl i clear there and peek around to clear 2nd floor then just go 1st floro

its such a shit angle they can shoot you from both downstairs and outside

[tranquil swallow]

I find 7 people is a good amount without it lagging

although some maps lagging is inevitable.....like Relapse

[bold sky]

you are looking at crashing more

run with 7 you usually lose a few

its like bin laden himself target your truck if you bring in more than 5

i think the most ideal situation would be 5 ngl and just split into 2-3 groups and clear aggressively

if you are playing less lethal then 5 is like the most you can cramp into corridors if you all stick together

but less lethal s rank is just a trollish game of piling dead officer bodies until theres a s

at least in multiplayer that is

[bright valley]

That GIF someone posted on Reddit of them magdumping a beanbag shotgun on a suspect and then getting knifed to death anyways... prompted like half a dozen people defending it as "realistic".

[crude prism]

skill issue for sure

[bright valley]

Worst kind of person in the community, honestly.

[opaque birch]

100% skill issue

[crude prism]

goofy part about the knife/bomber guys is if they're within a certain distance of you, basically within "attacking-melee" range, they'll never give up

So it looks like stuff is just broken, while it's not

[quiet raft]

Voll Health House impossible to get S ive run it 253 times so far

[bright valley]

I mean gee dude, you didn't shoot every suspect in the head with 7.62, you reap what you sow, hurr hurr.

[crude prism]

That's AWFUL

[quiet raft]

ive gotten to the last suspect 1 time and he 1 taps me on a flawless run

didnt take any damage and homie really didnt want me to get S

[stone stump]

and it's one of the easiest maps

[opaque birch]

i cant s tier it because i keep on executing amos voll after i arrested him 😔

[quiet raft]

not for S lmao

[bold sky]

getting s is a fool's game

[quiet raft]

i cant clear outside first cause i get shot from inside and i cant clear inside cause i get shot from outside LMAO

[bold sky]

wdym just clear third floor backtrack and go from 1st/outside up

[stone stump]

huge skill issue

[bold sky]

its ironic that we are spamming skill issue lol

[glossy barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/stdhd2/halligan_bar_animation_posted_by_gruntr_in/

[livid notch]

S tier on vanila is like riding on board with a lot splinters with your bare ass towards the pool with ethanol - it's that pleasant

[glossy barn]

i need it

[crude prism]

Voll is particularly hellish because of all the glass and fucked up curtains that suspects can see through while you can't return fire at all

[quiet raft]

beanbag rounds cant go through windows lmao

[bold sky]

even regular rounds cant go thru windows there sometimes but your route is bad

[quiet raft]

ive tried every route possible bruh

[bold sky]

you are setting up yourself for disappointment if you have to travel thru glass that often

[quiet raft]

ai just the avengers on crack

[bold sky]

theres no way glass is that big of an issue if you figured out the proper route

[opaque birch]

skill to the issue

[upbeat niche]

do the top floor first but then go outside the front door again and go down the stairs next to front door

[bold sky]

you hardly walk pass any glass if your route is optimized

[upbeat niche]

if you go down inside of the house you get shot thru glass

[stone stump]

never happened to me

[quiet raft]

cleared 3rd went down spawn stairs, cleared that floor, went outside, got shot thru glass. next run same except went to clear out inside bottom, got shot from outside ggs

[livid notch]

happened once or twice maybe to get shot while being on this glassed stairs section

[bold sky]

ok the glass downstair you know you can just take one mag of something lethal and break it?

[tranquil swallow]

i've killed so many suspects outside through the glass

[bright valley]

Your officers, on the other hand...

[tranquil swallow]

sniping them from the 2nd floor

[bold sky]

just take mp7 or p90 for big mag and semi the glass

[quiet raft]

thats another thing lmao my AI switches to their pistolss that have no ammo and die lmao

[bold sky]

then you can shoot thru them perfectly fine w your orange ass gun

but the biggest tip for s rn is to just get some cringe mod bc you can still get achievement w mods it seem

so score is prolly not recorded but you can still flex s on your steam profile

thats what a lot of people are doing rn and you might as well do it bc getting s is a negative sum game

[tranquil swallow]

i have a mod that doubles suspects and civs

[quiet raft]

i had a bunch of mods installed before release and i cant uninstall them

[bold sky]

just go delete the folders there are even guides pinned in this disc

[quiet raft]

40 suspects on every lvl lmao

[quiet raft]

i did that it didnt work

[livid notch]

cant you just remove the pak files from Paks folder?

[tranquil swallow]

mod.io or nexus?

[quiet raft]

both

[tranquil swallow]

don't use mod.io

i haven't had an issue with uninstalling or installing nexus mods

[bold sky]

ngl just stack mods on top of it lol

might as well go all in on mods at this point if you have old ones running already

[quiet raft]

only thing listed is Pak-chunk#-WindowsNoEditor.pak

[tranquil swallow]

some mods can conflict with each other

like you should only have one AI mod at a time

[quiet raft]

ive been running in safe mode

[bold sky]

you just have to figure out how to clean up all your mods ngl even for mod.io i can delete them fine

but if you get s w the current ai honestly power to you

its really funny to see the people who flex about getting s with mods to make the ai stupid or just flat out bend the rules entirely

i think the roe is stupid and the scoring system is horrid but modding the game to easy mode to get s still ruins the whole challenge

[livid notch]

welp, hate the game not the player

[bold sky]

? this is literally people trying to bend the rules lol

if people do that for fun its whatever but then there are people flexing about getting s when anyone playing pre 1.0 remember the troll dead body report farm in neon club

[livid notch]

it's a single/coop game nobody gives a single shit about what level AI somebody playing

[bold sky]

s rank is a joke

[livid notch]

but I have to agree that if you apply mods making suspects dumb as rock and then you flex that you get S - yup it's cringy but that's all

also there is a whole spectrum between "eagle eyed terminators one-tapping you from 1000m through keyhole with bent slingshot" and "suspects are after stroke and has more than one additional chromosome "

[bright valley]

But if my incredibly ruthless and brutal playstyle isn't justified or validated by the game's design, it's not realistic >:[

[bold sky]

r u talking to yourself

this game needs to have dedicated server soon

cant keep spending time in this channel bc i have to wait on some potato host to load the game

[bright valley]

For all the swearing that's allowed, automod drew the line at "don't be a c*nt" lol.

[stone stump]

why is that?

[bold sky]

its not hard to setup dedicated server and it fosters a better environment to look for games than having to go into this disc and plow thru all the people trying to play different ways

especially when compared to trying to make swat ai smarter

coop is gonna encourage more people to buy this game overall too

its been so long since they even throw coop a bone we have beyond garbage netcode, horrible hit reg and ptp so some chinese dude can upload free virus if he likes

[robust kelp]

Makes it even harder with the ROE being incredibly broken imo

If someone’s aiming a rifle at me, why am I not allowed to fire back?

[stone stump]

ptp?

[bold sky]

peer to peer

[bright valley]

I think if some amount of suspects had their gun holstered or otherwise not literally in their hands at all times, then the transition between "suspect but not a threat, don't shoot" and "suspect, threat, SHOOT" would be more obvious.

[stone stump]

and what does it have to do with potential RCEs?

[bright valley]

I'd have to check to pin down how responsible peer-to-peer networking was, but I do remember that time GTA Online had to deal with a RCE exploit.

(that was also when I uninstalled because holy shit lol)

[ivory kiln]

if i can't do carriers of the vine imma just download no crack for ai

[earnest wolf]

I wish they hadn't put the highlight dropped weapons option in accessibility. It makes me feel like I'm cheating

[bright valley]

When dropped guns can literally clip like a foot deep into the floor, take your win, seriously.

[earnest wolf]

yeah it's making the end of the mission a lot more bearable

[stone stump]

inb4 it was buffer overflow exploit

[bright valley]

GTA Online is a whole fucking Olive Garden's worth of spaghetti so I wouldn't put anything past it.

[quiet raft]

i fixed my mods lmao but the new ones i have only 1/2 work (non cracked AI works and 9999Hp doesnt)

[marsh lark]

who needs to use hp mod. My man playing easy

[stone bay]

Even using the easiest No Crack for AI settings, Carriers was a pain to clear

[ivory kiln]

Oh wow

[rare bolt]

Stuck here too, that is such hell

I got it cleared ONCE, but had Eva killed so D rank, not counting

[livid notch]

carrier of the vine are not that - maybe except the part that there are two key suspects to apperhand

[rare bolt]

Looks at Elaine jumpscaring me 24/7

[autumn willow]

I’m very curious about the MLO. Will they be returning in another update or in the future with a cool new map??

[civic idol]

Thank you

[bright valley]

We don't have much official information with regards to the future of them game. I think 1.0 content making reference to the MLO would at least suggest that it's still relevant to RoN lore, I just don't know if VOID intends to go deeper with it.

[dense quest]

carriers of the vine is super difficult

[rare bolt]

SWAT AI is on their best run rn

and as I write that they unalive Eve

ffs

[dense quest]

there are a few areas with windows and glass in the greenhouse area and also just the outside in general where I had to rely on my ai team cuz it's lowkey impossible to see the suspects while they swiss cheese you in an instant

fucking white dress standing in whiteish grass and the sun making it hard to see as well

[rare bolt]

Can't run shield on that, can't see crap

[dense quest]

luckily the ai drops them quickly

yeah shield is impossible

[rare bolt]

but if I don't, I get Spy TF2'ed

[dense quest]

you have to be pretty tactical in this one, and for open areas I used the move to commands for the ai to go ahead of me since they'll spot suspects

completed it with both arrests and only 2 ai injured

[rare bolt]

Oof, nice

rn Prescott last one up

prob injured

[dense quest]

I always alt f4 if one of my team dies I ain't having it

[rare bolt]

I usually alt f4 when I go down after 2 hits in full steel heavy armor

because unfair

oh ffs, AI got stuck watching the small bathromm (the square one)

welp

yep, resetting

ffs

[eager merlin]

do the girls on cherryessa have armour?!?!

[ripe creek]

Did a second run of Hide and Seek and found the container with people in it and it shocked me! Didn't know about it. And oh boy that dialog that went on with the FISA guy!

[ripe creek]

I think some of them do

[rare bolt]

AI got stuck again at the same point

[bright valley]

I don't think it was super shocking just given the rest of the game, but I definitely missed it on my first playthrough of the mission.

[cobalt sequoia]

This game is like playing r6 against a cracked out jynxzi with aim bot and esp installed

[crude prism]

steady diet of clay and bark will do that for ya

[eager merlin]

cherryessa is by far the worst map

[ripe creek]

Yeah true. The conversation between Judge and FISA guy though, that was a good one.

[bright valley]

Oh yeah, didn't expect any proper dialog.

[rare bolt]

^

[crude prism]

Cherryessa has broken lighting specifically to make it impossible to use riot shields, I am conviced

[rare bolt]

+1

also they have guns making steel look like paper to me

[main stream]

Is there any progress on fixing AI?

I mean through other means than mods

[upbeat niche]

Devs are working on fixing ai rn

According to their patch logs

[main stream]

So maybe in 2 months

Thanks

[quiet raft]

ceramic armor is better, steel will fragment into you when shot causing u to bleed more and die quicker

[rare bolt]

true, true, but I still go down in 2 hits somehow xD

[main stream]

Unless enemy has shotguns

[rare bolt]

Like, i'm running full heavy + mask

[quiet raft]

lmao i got mods installed now im basically unkillable S rank ez mode fr

i have 90 slots available on my vest

[eager merlin]

use light

[main stream]

now get an S without mods

[eager merlin]

wtf

[rare bolt]

light vest ?

[main stream]

There is a mod changing vest capacity to 90 slots

[quiet raft]

yea ^

x3 armor durability aswell

[main stream]

So basically game on permanent easy mode

[crude prism]

You cannot take splash damage off your own armor. Only the people around you take splash damage with steel

[main stream]

steel can spall into you

[crude prism]

Not in RoN

[main stream]

yes, in ron

[crude prism]

If an AP bullet hits steel or metal objects it has a chance to create splash damage in a small AOE. If it was possible to take damage from your own spall, getting hit with steel would kill you in like 3 hits regardless of the bullet

[loud rivet]

Why AK rifle in this game looks to small 😂

[frail quartz]

It's a CQC variant 🤷‍♂️

[main stream]

It's basically US off-brand krinkov

[eager merlin]

what gun is the ak ingame?

[frail quartz]

Arsenal SLR-107UR

[soft narwhal]

I think it's called the SLR

^

[eager merlin]

never seen it tf

[main stream]

another US off-brand AK

[tawny scroll]

•~• where my mp5a2 flashlight handguard gang

[crude prism]

integrated flashlights are peak

[rare bolt]

well, another run unalived because of stuck AI after I get downed

why must this happen every game ?

[full shore]

Arsenal is Bulgarian tho

Any imported AK is just too expensive nowadays

[quiet raft]

this game turned into a horror game bruh my 4 guys are behind me and another swat guy came around the corner

[rare bolt]

Well, got an AI showing up out of legit nowhere in a area cleared and oneshotting me

[quiet raft]

all my guys have NODs on and homie came around the corner in swat gear but nothing even close to what my actual ai teammates have on

[rare bolt]

Trailer guy ?

[quiet raft]

ghost of the LSPD on my run bruh

[quiet raft]

he had a gun

[rare bolt]

ah

[quiet raft]

i cant post images in here lmao

[frigid jasper]

We could argue that some maps have horror potential

[stone bay]

Those are trailers

They only exist in Practice Mode

[rare bolt]

guess what ? Another run F'ed because of crappy AI getting hung and idling

gonna fkin uninstall i swear

[crude prism]

When another Judge shows up and insists that HE is the real one

[autumn willow]

I got through carriers of the vine quick actually, my AI never kill them instantly but down them, which still gives me the objective

[vital ferry]

AI FIX WHEN????

[rare bolt]

well, you're lucky. My AI either kills one of the 2 important ones, OR gets fkin stuck at some point and ruin a run

[rare bolt]

^ this

[crude prism]

If there's a specific area the SWAT AI is getting stuck, make sure to get a quick vid and report it

Makes it easier for them to narrow down pathfinding issues

[quiet raft]

they carry guns?

[stone bay]

Yes

[quiet raft]

lmao bro jumpscared me when he came around the corner

[stone bay]

I can imagine. Especially if you turn off “Show Names” in the settings

The trailers have different names so you know when they start showing up

[hushed egret]

What are the requirements for an S rank? I know it is non lethal, yet I am often a sliver away from the S rank

[restive scaffold]

is there any way to play any mission with ai without having to play them all

[fair crane]

Only S rank I got is gas station and idek how 😭

[crude prism]

No deaths/incapacitations at all. In multiplayer you can still get an S if players die though

[quiet raft]

no point deductions, deaths, incapacitations, no officers dead, all evidence collected including soft objectives

[tribal slate]

why the hell does it take so long to patch this fucking game?

[quiet raft]

devs went on christmas/NY break after the game dropped they just started working again a week or 2 ago

[tribal slate]

no fool

like patching the game

[quiet raft]

no shit

[tribal slate]

56 full gigs need to be rewritten and for what

[quiet raft]

devolpment takes time

[tribal slate]

oh my god youre a moron 💀

[quiet raft]

brother devolpment and bug fixing/patching are essentially the same thing

[tribal slate]

...

oh my god

i mean installing the updates lmfaooo

[quiet raft]

its possible that just a steam thing and its not exactly their #1 priority rn

mine doesnt re install the whole game

[crude prism]

That's just Unreal Engine, nothing to do with Void. You have to unpack the compressed "paks" and then edit the contents within and then re-pack

[tribal slate]

annoying

[rocky plover]

It's how the Devs implement the update even though the update can be 800mb it has to patch it by unpacking it, implement the update and go through the files by changing whats necessary then pack it again by going through the whole 60gb if necessary (during patching)

[crude prism]

Ayup, thankfully it's not ACTUALLY a redownload every time

[dense quest]

Damn what a badass this guy is

[rocky plover]

Yeah it's not a reinstall per se

[gilded perch]

bro this game is so stressful xD

im clearing the Twisted Nerve mission in singleplayer and i just noticed the music box music playing the room next to me, i know whats in the room ive just never herd the music

[frail pier]

What rifle has the worst recoil?

Is it the SA58?

[tough spire]

Probably. It's also the heaviest round.

Full auto is "emergency CQC mode" and not standard operation.

[frail pier]

I dont think ive ever used full on it. Semi can shoot pretty fast and accurate

[frail quartz]

The full auto SA58; also known as the "Fuck everything in that general direction"-inator

[tough spire]

Semi JHP rules. It's my go-to when it's business time.

[ashen talon]

bro i don't come here often to chat, but i'd like to talk about the game settings for a bit

i'm running into stuttering and i don't really know what to do about it

changed settings from high to low, disabled world decals and i keep trying to disable Nvidia Reflex but it keeps turning itself back on

[gusty temple]

cpu and gpu?

[ashen talon]

Ryzen 5600X
RX 6700 XT

i check the AMD drivers it takes up 11 GB of VRAM despite being on 1080p even on low

[gusty temple]

dx11 or 12?

[ashen talon]

safe mode

[gusty temple]

i think that's dx11

try dx12

[tough spire]

Seconding this

Seems counterintuitive but it sometimes works fixes weird problems.

[ashen talon]

does Nvidia Reflex affect gameplay on AMD GPUs?

[gusty temple]

shouldn't affect yours

[ashen talon]

i usually hit 60 degrees C, no more than 60% util on CPU
up to 80%, temps up to 80 degrees C on GPU

[gusty temple]

your tech is likely good. the 1.0 update gave me lots of lag on a similar/worse build and dx12 fixed it

80 C can seem high, but cards are made for that. 90 C is high

[ashen talon]

80 for normal, 100 for hotspot

on an RX 6700 XT Sapphire Pulse specifically

also i've been playing with some mates to try to get S on different maps, so this is specifically on Valley of the Dolls

[neat hill]

so i keep getting like frame drops and shit, does anyone have any good settings to have pretty good graphics and good fps or atleast good fps?

[gusty temple]

if dx12 doesn't fix your issue then i'd be surprised

[gusty temple]

wbu man: cpu and gpu?

[neat hill]

CPU:AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor
GPU:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti

[gusty temple]

dx11 or dx12?

[somber belfry]

Did you turn you graphics down?

[neat hill]

dx11

[viscid bane]

Dx12 if you have new stuff

[gusty temple]

yeah try dx12

[neat hill]

yea everything is on but but my textures in high and distance ins medium

[viscid bane]

I went from 80-120 frames on dx11 to 150-220 on dx12

[marsh lark]

Changing your graphics can worsen your performance in Unreal Engine games

[viscid bane]

I just capped it at 120 tho

[tough spire]

Isn't anything above GTX 10X0's Dx12 anyway?

[viscid bane]

Uh that sounds pretty old

[mighty elbow]

pls don't hurt me i promise i'll pay my taxes

[neat hill]

whats the differece between dx11 and dx12

[gusty temple]

ime pretty much yes

[tough spire]

My 1080 was Dx12 I just don't know if it was older than that.

[viscid bane]

Promises are easy

[gusty temple]

the way software interacts with the hardware. dx11 is the old way, dx12 the new

[slender adder]

tech talk on my ides of march hate channel? unusual...

[ashen talon]

runs smoother, still uses almost all my VRAM so that might still be a problem

9.5 GB on low

[marsh lark]

9.5 GB VRAM?

How

[ashen talon]

idk

[marsh lark]

RAM maybe although 8 GB max

[gusty temple]

maybe. i have way less vram and don't get noticable stutters on high (on an rtx2060 super 8gb)

[marsh lark]

Hell no VRAM doe

[gusty temple]

glad it's running better for you

[ashen talon]

where can i post screenshots?

to prove it uses almost all my VRAM

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

This is strictly a no-fun-allowed zone. No pictures, no reacts.

[cunning girder]

My biggest problem is pop-in enemies and disapearing evidence and bodies. It has been mentioned that I may have too high of a FOV causing issues, but I don't remember the default. I'm at 32:9 aspect ratio, so 90 FOV looks weird. Ideas?

[frail quartz]

I've posted plenty of them though!!! 😡

[tough spire]

NO. FUN. ALLOWED.

Only suffering.

[cunning girder]

Super bad guys with x-ray vision is suffering. No images isn't gonna cause ya to bleed out Officer! LOL

[mighty elbow]

is there anyway i can get out it oh mighty tax being i'll do anything i swear i'll become your agent or servant if need be lol

[cunning girder]

Be nice to your IRS agent? Worked for me 😉

[mighty elbow]

i think they are the god of the irs

[ashen talon]

it runs better but still

[gusty temple]

yeah the game uses ~90% of my GPU memory on low and ~95% on high

[cunning girder]

DX12 uses VRAM, but more effeciently

[ashen talon]

10 GB VRAM

[tough spire]

I have a really weird suggestion. Try setting your graphics to high and see what changes

[gusty temple]

it's not really causing me much of an issue, though

[ashen talon]

will running textures on high suddenly use less VRAM?

[cunning girder]

It can, actually. If the textures are large by default, the GPU has to shrink the textures causing a slower framerate.

[tranquil swallow]

what is the best ai mod

[ashen talon]

lost 20 FPS for a bit then it just shot back up to 150

and runs the same, but yeah it runs better now

[tranquil swallow]

on relapse?

[ashen talon]

valley of the dolls

[cunning girder]

Yeah, it's probably caching the textures and shaders more efficiently.

[tranquil swallow]

valley seems fine for me. Relapse i get fps drops

[cunning girder]

Good question. I just need my AI officers to move when they've crowded a door or hallway. Oh, and not shoot on sight.

[ashen talon]

@gusty temple you seem to be very knowledgeable about how the game works

does the host's hardware in multiplayer affect how good the AI is?

[neat hill]

sim still stuttering and my frames keep dropping

i have more fps but if i turn my frames stutter and drop

[cunning girder]

Do you have VSync turned on?

[neat hill]

no

[cunning girder]

OR Motion Blur? Motion Blur will drop frames

[neat hill]

no motion blurr

[gusty temple]

thanks i just lurk a lot. host's hardware might, but only if the host is running a serious potato. pretty sure the Steam P2P API or crappy internet is going to cause more issues than any hardware would

[ashen talon]

no i mean the AI is powered by superman, tracks me through 2 walls

[gusty temple]

what fps are you expecting to get and at what resolution?

[gusty temple]

yeah that's "normal"

[neat hill]

3440x1440p

144hz monitor

[gusty temple]

idk if your cpu is up to the task is my last suggestion

[neat hill]

well im at like 90 average but it keeps dropping and if i turn or turn fast it dropps to like 10-18

[gusty temple]

oh oooof those are hard drops

[neat hill]

is there some graphic settings i should change or like any changes in nvida control panel?

[ashen talon]

how can i dumb those down?

the host runs some i5 with 16 GB of RAM and a 1060 6 GB

[neat hill]

i take it back im at like 80-90 average and if i turn fast i got to 2-18 fps

[gusty temple]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3169

[stone bay]

I assume the element stacks on the opposite side of a lock intended to be blown up, correct?

[proud coral]

In clemente hotel mission the piano is touching alone

[gusty temple]

yeah that's a good build, not gonna interfere with being a host

[ashen talon]

do i still get the rewards for getting S on maps even with running the mod?

[viscid bane]

Kill John Lennon

[gusty temple]

i would just try 60fps frame cap and maybe put settings to high instead of med or low. forget the frame cap if you must

[stark hollow]

yes

[gusty temple]

^yes

[neat hill]

why is higher settings better?

[cunning girder]

Have you tried letting GeForce Experience optimize the game? You may have a setting file not changing properly. GeForce Experience takes these files into account and recommends the settings for your hardware, and also makes sure you're using the correct driver. Make sure you're using the updated Game Ready driver and not the studio drivers.

[mighty elbow]

how he's already dead?

[gusty temple]

i was hoping the good ole rev was gonna explain that one

my only answer is that it's programmed to run better at higher qualities

*newer hardware

[ashen talon]

do you know whether this is the final version of the AI or if it's supposed to get further tweaking down the line?

[gusty temple]

i never used to listen to what my software recommends for me. always thought i knew better heheh

[neat hill]

it put everything at epic

[gusty temple]

you have an epic gpu

[cunning girder]

To expand, it's designed for high end, but capable of lowering to run on lesser PC's. This usually causes precaching as you load the game or each map, but I'm not seeing the game doing it, so I'm looking to see if there was a way to force it to cache textures to prevent the drop. I know for Unreal engine 3 games there was a couple of lines you edit in the ini files, but I've yet to find it in UE4 games.

[stark hollow]

it will be tweaked and changes made continually

[cunning girder]

All I can say is Void Interactive has answered my prayers in creating this realistic Police SWAT game. A little too realistic sometimes, when the only IRL cop (Medically retired) gets killed in your team. LOL.

[gusty temple]

"not again!"

lol

[cunning girder]

Right!?!!?

[ashen talon]

the only unrealistic thing is the enemy AI

getting tracked through 2 walls and all the NPCs are ride or die instead of just surrendering upon being ordered to

[cunning girder]

Yea, they're supermen with x-ray vision.

[tough spire]

There's a tooooon of stuff that's unrealistic, yo 🙃

[ashen talon]

but other than that it's really nice

[neat hill]

i did it and it stopped some of it but im still etting frame dropps but not as bad as 2 fps its just goes from like 75 (uncapped) to like 30-40

[ashen talon]

does only the host need it?

or we all just get it?

[cunning girder]

Well, it still has to be playable. I'm more referring to body positioning, pie-ing the rooms, etc. Enemies always getting headshots, not so real.

[gusty temple]

i think? just make sure the setting "serverside checksum" is disabled for everybody

[cunning girder]

If it's like any other UE game, if the host has it, the clients download it from the host while the lobby loads, but I'm not 100% yet

[tough spire]

They don't always headshot, and also I was referring to the person saying "the AI is the only unrealistic thing"

[gusty temple]

well i'm pretty sure clients don't download stuff over the steam api, but i think some mods work if only the host has them, like the ai mods

*steam p2p network

[sudden marsh]

leave up to the games shit optimization, if your specs are good then its the games fault.

4090 is like wet paper for this game if thats even a proper way to say it, many people playing this game forget about actual fluidity and waste their
money on a gaming PC just to play games at bad fps without a care in the world

[cunning girder]

Yeah, my single player squad run around yelling commands at no one. They run around killing the bad guys without any commands. and what's up with the scopes? I don't expect to hold the scope to my eye, but just ADS-ing should zoom in better. There's more, but I'm way more happy with this than any COD

[gusty temple]

agreed. it has many flaws and i'm not afraid to be vocal about it, but damn.... it's fucking fun.... after many hours of modding, that is

[tough spire]

I am very critical of this game but only because I love it. 😛

[cunning girder]

I wasn't going to get it until my clanmates streamed it, then I had to get it - damn the overdraft to my bank account! haha!

[sudden marsh]

this game would be 90% perfect if they fixed the optimization and added proper shader precompilation
so many youtubers run this game without showing any emotion to the issues and reel people into the hivemind lol

atleast be aware

[tough spire]

Ngl not everyone is as violently emotional about the issues as some of y'all in this Discord tho 😛

[cunning girder]

You're definitely not wrong. But I didn't expect perfection being a pre 1.0 version game. I expect it to consistently improve, so that , combined with the randomness of enemy locations, as well as boobie traps, Its got a ton of replayability.

[sudden marsh]

violent or not (depending)
atleast some awareness is being spread around, the bar has been lowered way to much in gaming and theres little to no expectations for games anymore

[sudden marsh]

the randomness is something i enjoy, swat 4 has it also

atleast there moving the ideas and improving on it (mostly)

[gusty temple]

to be fair, i definitely expected some better optimization. it's not pre-release anymore. this is supposed to be 1.0 and there's plenty of shit (looking at you, replays) still pretty broken

[cunning girder]

SWAT 4, ok, now we're showing our age

[gusty temple]

swat4 was one of the first pc games i ever played as a pre-teen. scared the living shit out of me

[static relic]

hi

[mighty elbow]

whats swat 4?

[mighty elbow]

hello hru?

[sudden marsh]

i seen many people in this discord making any excuse possible for these devs, when they had alot of time atleast to get everything done
or atleast delay the 1.0 release and put more testing, we didn't expect it so soon anyways

[static relic]

eh, stressed but i've decideed to play some RoN and No man's sky :/

I'm looking for fun loadouts for this game

[gusty temple]

yeah the devs definitely don't need defending. sometimes i think people just like to argue :D

[gusty temple]

what do you usually run with?

[static relic]

shotgun or sa-58 with a 57 USG
Maximum armor with steel
Gas, gas, and gas

[mighty elbow]

nice i hope you feel better man

[gusty temple]

oooo a heavy hitter, i see. good stuff

[static relic]

At least I last longer compared to the AI teammates

[static relic]

Shotguns erase the body, SA erases the soul

[gusty temple]

could try to run an MP7 and go for leg shots to incap instead of obliterate

[static relic]

just like in half life 2 lol

[mighty elbow]

sosig your wrong 45 acp kills the soul

[static relic]

i thought those prevent liches...oh wait 45 kills to prevent those

[gusty temple]

they got the usp45 and everything!

[mighty elbow]

they do both

[gusty temple]

now we just need a crowbar

[sudden marsh]

were missing a hev suit mod

[static relic]

do you guys run surpressors or nah

[gusty temple]

good point, but that mgiht be because there's the combine police mod..... we're the bad guys

[static relic]

there's mods that make us the combine and there's voice lines

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I like being able to distinguish the gunshots of my teammates from the gunshots of suspects

[crimson kettle]

ceramic >>>

[cunning girder]

Yeah, I'm not an apologist for the devs or the state of the game, especially when their recommended specs call for a 1060 6GB or Higher. I've had one c2d, but I'm getting killed by enemies that simply aren't spawned in. You see the gunfire coming from nowhere, even if they are right in front of you. I had a civilian beat the shit out of me getting stuck in a turning around animation that caused him to spin. I was nearly killed by a compliant civvy

[static relic]

explain (i'm new trust me)

[gusty temple]

itts so fuggen cool and i can't wait til it gets a proper 1.0 update

[woeful egret]

I have a 1060 and the game runs perfectly fine on high settings

[frail quartz]

I just want a HECU mod that replaces the voicelines with the mix-n-match voiceline system they used in the original half life

[sudden marsh]

perfectly with stutter?

[gusty temple]

really weird, but seems like people with 3000 and 4000 series are having all the issues

[woeful egret]

honestly not really

[crimson kettle]

fr i got a 3080 and my game be stuttering between 60 to 15 frames

[woeful egret]

it'll drop to the 40s maybe once per raid but it's a solid 70 most of the time

[static relic]

i wanna make this game run on a steam deck oled

[cunning girder]

Meanwhile people with higher end cards are getting framerate drops in the sub 20fps realm just by turning. I'm sure it'll get straightened out eventually.

[crimson kettle]

i have set settings to medium and its still shit

[gusty temple]

make sure you're running dx12 and gof or high or epic settings

[sudden marsh]

if the game goes Istishhad with expensive ass cards, big problem

[static relic]

why ceramic over steel cheah

[woeful egret]

I have found lower settings affect performance negaitvely

my entire squad had issues until they turned the settings UP then it kinda fixed itself

[crimson kettle]

faster acceleration and almost identical death times

[sudden marsh]

ive noticed that too, im wondering if void were paying attention to code or were copy pasting alot

[gusty temple]

thank goodness i'm pretty much poor!

there's a surprising amount of assets that are third-party.... wouldn't be surprised if some of that was code, too

[crimson kettle]

i’ll keep that in mind when i play again

[woeful egret]

yeah I run dx12 high preset on a 1060 and it's more than playable

[gusty temple]

"military crate pack 6" gotta love it

[crimson kettle]

i have been running dx11 since i heard dx12 is unstable but it may be old news by now

[sudden marsh]

i was on dx12 and one room gave 100 fps and another gave straight 40's lol

[sudden marsh]

dx11 gives a bit more stability, and dx12 gives more frames, its all dependant on PC's from what ive seen

[gusty temple]

yeah idk about that, but after 1.0, dx11 gave me mad stutters and dx12 ran way-way smoother

[cunning girder]

I'm in the locker room right now standing still. Going from 200 fps down to 60, randomly.

[woeful egret]

I've had maybe a single crash since hotfix 1 came out, although I feel I'm definitely an outlier to the norm

playing on dx12

[sudden marsh]

i think the game should be marketed as a Private/Public Beta at this point, not even a full release with all these issues

[crimson kettle]

i notice crashes if i play the game more than an hour

made me so mad when i was so close to s rank a mission

[woeful egret]

my one crash was halfway through S rank brisa as a 2 man team

I nearly cried

[lethal sparrow]

In twisted nerve I cuffed all civs, why does it still tell me the civs have not been rescued yet

Im so confused I walked around the whole perimeter but can't find anymore civs

[woeful egret]

checked the bottom floor wardrobe in the lab house?

that's the spot that always gets me

[lethal sparrow]

Yea

Ill check again

[woeful egret]

I find it's always someone in a wardrobe or under a bed or smth on that map

[lethal sparrow]

damn alr

[static relic]

are the ai still aimbots compared to the initial release of 1.0 :/

[stone bay]

Yes

[static relic]

should i beging throwing mods at the problem? lmao

[gusty temple]

yes

[lethal sparrow]

Bro where is that wardrobe😂

[stone bay]

They’ll make it actually fun to play

[woeful egret]

long hallway far right side of the cook house, first?? door on the right

that's the one that ALWAYS gets me

the lil bedroom lookin area that has the wall torn down between the two rooms

[sudden marsh]

and countless other issues, hope they fix most of these issues, they decided a vacation and to leave the game in shambles
Funny I think indie devs forgot what the "full release" is supposed to entail....

[mighty elbow]

what map?

[woeful egret]

meth house

[mighty elbow]

damn

[lethal sparrow]

finally found the last guy

[mighty elbow]

on multiplayer or single player? amd want help?

[lethal sparrow]

he was in a hidden room

[woeful egret]

I'm following in the dev's footsteps and on holiday atm lol

[sudden marsh]

and also Antón Castillo who left the city rioting and dying while he was chilling in his mansion lol

sounds like void in a way, must be a coincidence tbh

[viscid bane]

Figure it out or I’ll figure out where you’re hiding

[mighty elbow]

YES SIR OR MA'AM I'M ON IT

[stone bay]

As far as recoil goes, using the Mk 18 with and without a muzzle brake is like night and day

[ashen talon]

which is the best version of the MP5?

the 10MM feels like i can keep it on semi even vs light armored opponents like valley

[static relic]

i use this spreadsheet someone in this server pointed me towards
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[ashen talon]

zamn, the 10MM unreliable?

[crude prism]

10mm is fine, basically identical to .45 with a little better armor break

[viscid bane]

Magdump people with the mp7

[crude prism]

if you're looking at my biased weapon preferences, test for yourself! people disagree with me all the time!

[mighty elbow]

use the mp7 its really good

[viscid bane]

So true

[mighty elbow]

its real easy to control

[static relic]

what if someone with a crowbar charges you and they're wearing a orange hazmat suit

[viscid bane]

It tends to incapacitate a lot which is nice for VIPs

[viscid bane]

Shoot them?

[mighty elbow]

i killed john lennon anything else i need to do or am i off the hook?

[viscid bane]

You’re good for now

[mighty elbow]

pull out a cqb rpg

[ashen talon]

damn, on which one do they disagree?

[static relic]

do people run 1911s?

[ashen talon]

nope

[static relic]

i run 45 acp and 5.7 for sidearms :/

[crude prism]

Lots of stuff, you'll find someone preferring one weapon or another all the time.

[ashen talon]

why run 1911 or M45 when you can use the USP for more ammo in the mag

[static relic]

omg, are you the creater of the spreadsheet?"

[ashen talon]

or the 57, 20 in the mag, no recoil and a really good caliber

[crude prism]

For funsies. Don't always have to play meta crunching all the time 🙂

[crude prism]

yeh

[ashen talon]

i'm not having fun when i get shot through 2 walls by the AI

[static relic]

my god, it's an honor to meet the creator of the reason why i erase people with shotguns

[ashen talon]

so yeah i run meta

[static relic]

i wish the game would let non-host players use shotgun slugs in multiplayer :/

[mighty elbow]

wait what?

[static relic]

for some reason when i play MP i can't use slugs :/

[mighty elbow]

i can thats weird

[static relic]

modded or unmodded, it no work

i have to mod in a SAIGA to use slugs :/

[crude prism]

bugged in multiplayer, if you're not hosting, no slugs for you

[ashen talon]

WAIT

does that mean that non lethal is bugged too? it's technically a slug shotgun

[static relic]

no

beanbag shotgun is ok

[crude prism]

No, the beanbag is a separate entity. It's an actual projectile vs just bullet data

Beanbag/pepperball/40mms are not hitscan, while the rest of the firearms are

[static relic]

40mm is fun to blast into people if it's not armed

[ashen talon]

is there any glitch related to either the pepperballs or the beanbags?

[mighty elbow]

i want an m16a1 with a 40mm high explosive

[crude prism]

You'd have to be more specific. It seems like there's weird morale things occasionally, but because the pepperball/beanbag are projectiles and not hitscan, it might lead to some hitreg issues

But I expect that has improved significantly with 1.0 and the hitreg networking rework

[ashen talon]

i play MP with my friends, there are times when the run for S rank just dies because the enemy doesn't flinch at 3 beanbags

[crimson kettle]

is there a reason to use smgs instead of rifles

[ashen talon]

compactness

[crimson kettle]

gotta get the no crack for ai mod lol

made the game more enjoyable for me and my lads

[ashen talon]

i think that's just some internet lag issue

sometimes my other friend's pepperballs do nothing

the AI sits there wide eyed staring at our dollar store pepperballs

[viscid bane]

Reject S rank, embrace C+ rank

[static relic]

mods are essential to this game, don't download the LMG mod because it kinda makes you think you have more power than you have

[ashen talon]

the host has no problems

[crude prism]

When it happens, grab clips if you can and submit as feedback/bug reports. Devs were asking for vids of hitreg stuff

[ashen talon]

wait it's an actual problem?

i thought them not being hitreg that i was garbo with them

[crude prism]

I am convinced there are hitreg issues from my own experience. Other people feel the same, but I can't come up with all the evidence myself

Pre 1.0 there were a lot, and hitreg is still not completely solid

[static relic]

i have a hit or miss experience with beanbags 🐟

[crude prism]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message <- should clearly pen arm and hit torso for 1 hit incap, and that's in singleplayer too

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message <- taser doing fuckall when I'm in a coop match (not hosting)

[ashen talon]

also is it just me or is the AI on crack since a few days ago?

i swear a few days ago when i played it was normal

[crude prism]

AI has been on crack since 1.0

[crimson kettle]

i think there is spread to the bean bag

[ashen talon]

bro i swear it's only been like that for me for the past few hours

[ashen talon]

that's just fucked if it's the case

[crude prism]

There is no spread on the beanbag gun. But it fires an actual slow projectile with a small amount of drop. If suspects are side strafing, you need to lead them a tiny bit

[crimson kettle]

cuz with no crack for ai mod, they seem to flinch consistently when i hit them with the beanbag when close quarters but flinch half the time when i try to cross map them

even when they r standing still

[crude prism]

the beanbag has travel time + drop

[crimson kettle]

could be the hitreg issue tho

[static relic]

I wonder if attachments have a significant change to recoil cuz i always run vertical grip and a muzzle brake :/

[ashen talon]

bro do they fly at the speed of me throwing a can of soup?

you played valley before

from the door to the TV at the entrance, not even down the hallway or something

[crude prism]

unfortunately there's no way to easily see the projectile, as it doesn't show up in first person or replays. But if you have a friend stand to the side, you can shoot and they can see it travel

[ashen talon]

not what i meant

from the entrance to the house on Valley to the TV right in front is there any significant drop or the need to adjust for enemies strafing?

[crimson kettle]

i think u can just aim at them