👮ron-discussion

[gritty coyote]

90% of the difficulty of postal mission is just the poor clutter visibility

[shadow ether]

And occasionally the range

[shrewd oriole]

For me it's the random gaps in things that sussies spot you through

[gritty coyote]

oh hey enemy spots you through a slit among the boxes

this kind of thing, I don't even know what to call it. sometimes you just get reminded you're fighting against robots who don't suffer from human visual acuity

[shadow ether]

More reasons to want a .308:
I was told I get shot through walls because my movement is loud
So I want to either shoot from beyond the sus earshot or make my first shot remove any hearing from the equation

[sick gust]

OSW with a brake

Eardrum remover

[shadow ether]

I like the sound of that

The last one I'll ever hear

[shrewd oriole]

I put suppressors on all my guns

[shadow ether]

Announcing my presence in the interior by perforating 15 floors up and making all glass in the building shatter with the suspects eardrums

[fervent orbit]

can enemies at least attempt to not shoot each other

[gritty coyote]

they can kill each other?

[white goblet]

ask them nicely

[fervent orbit]

on s rank port and it seems like someone always catches a stray bullet

[gritty coyote]

are you sure it's not your AI teammates whipping out pistols

[fervent orbit]

i literally just saw a guy shooting through his own teammate

and my ai guys dont have pistol ammo and i havent seen that glitch where they can still shoot with their pistol

they just pull out their empty pistols and get shot when their mag runs dry

[dreamy garden]

Are 4 pepperball mags too little of an amount for swat

Blue always runs out of gas when breaching first but they die the most

So preferably heavy armor would be used?

but obviously less gas

Also do they have bleed mechanics

I don't recall seeing them throw on a tourniquet

[fervent orbit]

what map are you on

[dreamy garden]

Just in general

But something like brisa cove

Or valley of the dolls

[fervent orbit]

honestly for brisa cove I found myself having to gas most rooms myself

but i always ran with heavy ceramic for my ai guys for my s ranks

[crude prism]

The SWAT bots don't have a bleed mechanic, so they can never regain health. But they get 250 HP instead of 160 like players do

[faint hare]

Talking about Brisa Cove, dev said the suspect AI have different behavior based on certain map, since they are veterans, shouldn't they working together as a team and push back entry team?

[kindred pike]

is it jut me or do smgs really suck in this game, sometimes i onetap a guy and everythings fine and other times ill mag dumb someone, they dont flinch at all and then they dome me

[frail quartz]

If you use semi-auto then I really see no reason to use an SMG over a rifle

[kindred pike]

ehh true i guess,i give up i’m using shotguns

[pallid zephyr]

We love shotguns

[solid ore]

who needs handcuffs anyways when you can blast off the suspect's arms

[pallid zephyr]

They'll never be able to reach for a gun again

It's foolproof

[stone bay]

My strat on Ides of March is to check every door for a trap. I kick in a side door that I haven't checked, trap goes off, I die.

Don't trust doors

[kindred maple]

yeah so a fucking suspect just executed another suspect for no reason can i still get S

[crude prism]

Who wants to tell him?

[kindred maple]

im actually about to lose my shit

fucking valley of the dolls bro

[fervent orbit]

dont worry it gets worse

[kindred maple]

how

i just sent it in game clips

[fervent orbit]

relapse and port ;-;

lmao thats some fucking bs though lmao

[loud patio]

does greased palms take place before elephant? because in the front room in the post office there is a box for some victims of a school shooting but idk if its the school in eephantl

[stone bay]

Holy shit idk why Ides is lagging this much

[slender adder]

greased palms takes place after elephant

[loud patio]

oh yeah i meant after

[hexed valley]

how do i skip a level i just dont wanna play its boring

the elephant mission

[shy tulip]

You play through it with a passing score and then don't revisit it

[hexed valley]

cant skip missions!!

[stone stump]

it's a 13 minute mission (literally), not that bad to just complete it

[hexed valley]

(literally) boring map

and its super hard

[fervent orbit]

just run around with a stinger launcher and you'll get it

[hexed valley]

🤔

[lethal sparrow]

Dude I want ron so bad 😂

I got bored of zero hour

[formal brook]

hey guys whats the minimum score for unlocking the 4th mission? in other words, what is the lowest score needed to beat twisted nerve, bc i got the war part 2 achievment, but not the 4th mission??

[tough spire]

No joke one of my favorite ways to start this mission is busting down the front doors and lobbing gas launcher everywhere

[zenith trench]

is Ides of March the "casual filter" for RoN

[zenith trench]

I know I'm late but I'm down to help with it, I kinda enjoy it

[tawny scroll]

°—° i ran into the preacher guy

[tough spire]

Possibly, that's why I'm working on a newbie guide for the server 😄

[zenith trench]

step 1. Equip the P90
step 2. equip AP ammo on the P90
step 3. equip the Five-SeveN
step 4. equip JHP ammo on the Five-SeveN
step 5. equip heavy armor
step 6. equip 9 flashbangs```

[bold sky]

i would not trust any guide that tell people to run p90 ngl

[tough spire]

Why? P90 JHP rules

[bold sky]

plus our stat sheet is more than just a good guide its prolly the best guide rn and its pinned in this channel

[tough spire]

Why don't you like the P90?

[stone bay]

I swear to god I've run gas station so many times because my AI keeps dying in ides of march

[civic zinc]

You can F rank a mission and still continue just so long as you soft completed it

[formal brook]

ok

[bold sky]

p90 damage/rof is fine but it locks you into spraying most of the time and its fire pattern is overtly horizontal while still having significant vert

that means a lot of time if you try to use the gun at range you will be missing your shots so thats not very versatile

if you insist on using p90 you can just use mp7 instead \

[tough spire]

Why are you bursting at range?!

[bold sky]

to kill faster?

no matter what range i want to drop my targets faster than they have time to break a helmet

[tough spire]

If they're far enough away that you can't burst accurately, go to semi

[bold sky]

mp7 can engage any target at any range even w auto

for personal preference use what you want but calling p90 is a good gun is like calling joe biden the greatest potus

best gun for literally every situation is prolly gonna be g36 just bc it has almost no vert recoil, great optics and all its sights are aligned properly

[tough spire]

For the record I love the Mp7, I just also love the P90

[bold sky]

sights aligning properly is prolly its best selling point ngl

so many sights in this game are misaligned

[formal brook]

what about the ump 45

[tough spire]

UMP 45 is the best LTL gun

[tough spire]

In all seriousness it basically is garbage against anything with armor. I joke that it's the best LTL gun because I once dumped 6 rounds into one of the Elephant kids and he didn't die, he just surrendered.

[formal brook]

how come a 45 acp smg can do practically no damage, but a beanbag shotgun can 1-2 shot to the head?!

holy crap i love game logic

[tough spire]

The 45 will also one-shot the head.

But as a rule you don't typically want to aim for the head.

[formal brook]

yeah, unless they have taken a hostage or they dont see you, i usually just hipfire

[tough spire]

Mp5/10 is better I hear but I haven't played with it much. I just love fast firing 9's if I'm going subs typically. Or P90 cos it puts the MG in SMG

Mp9 is best boi.

Short. Cute. Bullet hose.

[bright valley]

tbf, that's an SMG versus the strongest armor in the game

[stone bay]

anyone know how to do ides of march single player? my AI can't fight correctly, always losing no matter what

I swear we went down middle room and I lost 2 guys because they can't fire straight

[tough spire]

Literally working on a guide for newbies right now 🙂

Where are you getting stuck?

[stone bay]

anywhere I encounter an enemy

they can't survive without some utility like flashes or stingers

[slender adder]

its not great

[tough spire]

How are you holding corners and such?

[tough spire]

I meeeaaaan utility exists for a reason 😉

[stone bay]

and you might think I'm exaggerating but I'm not, told them to clear a room and one went off alone and got domed in 1204

[stone bay]

I'm usually going in and they're following in behind, peeking super fucking carefully and with a shield

either I try and solo clear and they're behind me or I let them breach and go in and they die

[tough spire]

How are you prepping the room?

Are you having them throw?

[stone bay]

wedging off exterior entrances, c2 and flash

[stone bay]

yeah, I am, usually I'm the one in first with a shield

[slender adder]

you should be the one to throw tacticals in, they aren't very good at using those

[tulip spade]

lmao im reading the comments on the steam briefing post and holy shit they are malding so hard in there its insane

[slender adder]

and save C2s for when you actually need shock and awe in the room

normally peeking and opening is enough

[stone bay]

I don’t usually have a problem with them throwing tacticals

[tough spire]

Shields are also pretty hard to use, FWIW

[slender adder]

too much breaching would raise their stress and make them more prepared for you I think

[tulip spade]

"erm..the fact you guys planned for hotfixes says alot....bad game devs much? 🤓 "

[stone bay]

I doubt they’re stressed immediately after the first two breaches

[tough spire]

rofl it's as if they've never experienced a video game before

[tulip spade]

they should be happy VOID listens to them at all at this point

[stone bay]

it’s Ides of March, they’ve already cranked the AI up to max, I’m just having trouble keeping up with it

[slender adder]

nah Ides is piss easy really

I wouldn't run a shield tbh but it doesn't matter

[stone bay]

I’m wondering if there’s really anything I can do that doesn’t have me instantly taking point all the time (because I can’t hit every shot and they don’t take half of them) or having them push a room without me taking point

[tough spire]

Try carpet bombing with gas

[slender adder]

use a rifle

pie rooms

oh wait you don't want to take point

[stone bay]

because I can’t trust the AI to be up front but I can’t put myself up there because if an officer dies I can at least continue

and like I said I don’t have 400 hours in this game, I’m not bad by any measure but I’m not perfect either

[slender adder]

you don't have to put in that much effort to learn the game

[stone bay]

that’s what I’m gonna have to resort to lol

[slender adder]

its just basic tactics, peek with your upper body, rifle up

do it far away from the corner

[stone bay]

that’s not gonna help, I’m still gonna get popped or an officer is gonna get popped

[slender adder]

no it will, you get to rely on your armor this way

[tepid blaze]

Modern videogame* In the past they used to release it on disc. Now we have "Early Access". I like RoN and think Void is doing ok in the EA department (other games just die) but it's not really insane that people expected a bit more for what they're paying don't you think?

[tough spire]

Thank you. I salute your unnecessary pedantry.

[tulip spade]

all you really need for RoN is basic cqb tactics (pie corners, muzzle discipline, all that)

[tepid blaze]

How is that pedantic?

Because it's not only true but a very important distinction?

Full release vs "Early Access" which even 1.0 clearly still is.

[loud crescent]

it objectively is true that you used to be able to just
buy a game
and have a complete whole-ass game

that is no longer a thing

[tough spire]

They also had bugs that existed forever.

[loud crescent]

they still do--

[tepid blaze]

You're joking though if you think some of them are as bad as what EA games go through regularly.

[tough spire]

They also get content updates now and did not previously.

[tepid blaze]

Content on a broken platform so to speak though.

[loud crescent]

i think games these days are almost expected to be released unfinished
day 1 patches and hotfixes are considered commonplace, and because you can update them post-launch, that means there's less incentive to deliver a full product

[tepid blaze]

Exactly.

[slender adder]

consider getting an armorer officer and peek with your upper body since that's where you are armored
you can actually soak up a lot more damage than you think

[loud crescent]

personally i'm satisfied with paying full price for RoN (i bought it in early access and i don't regret it one bit), but it is unpolished

[slender adder]

day 1 patch is a different story I think, it's a dev pipeline thing

[stone bay]

are you sure? I’ve been one-tapped with heavy armor steel plating with a ballistic mask to the head doing the exact same thing you’ve been telling me to do

[slender adder]

steel is not great

[loud crescent]

heavy ceramic is mvp if you want to tank hits

[stone bay]

which is why I don’t trust myself peeking corners

[slender adder]

one tap doesn't happen also

[loud crescent]

free-leaning is also really really OP

[tepid blaze]

Steel has bleed through damage which is kinda funny.

[crude prism]

steel best, but obviously slow

[loud crescent]

steel isn't even best

[stone bay]

I was free leaning?

[bright valley]

Steel feels exaggeratedly bad.

[tepid blaze]

Ceramic breaks.

[loud crescent]

it feels like enemies only have LoS to your center mass
so if you free-lean around a corner they won't fire on you half the time

[crude prism]

The slow is pretty dramatic, I just use heavy + front plate steel. Don't notice I'm wearing it

[slender adder]

its over
the moment this knowledge gets out the first playthrough is over

[tepid blaze]

It is. It's intended to be "gamey" to give you more drawbacks to using it. In reality there's plenty of shit made to stop spalling lol.

[loud crescent]

did the whole campaign solo with revolver just using free-lean

they never knew what hit 'em

[crude prism]

chadvolver

[tepid blaze]

Also the officers don't use trauma pads which ends up with them taking slight bleed through damage when they really shouldn't be. At least body armor isn't Tarkov levels of gamey.

[crude prism]

RoN with accurate face + plate hitboxes would be unplayable lmao

[slender adder]

best advise I can give you on top of this is to use armorer + ceramic and breach only when you need shock and awe like I told you so it doesn't enable the AIs into alerted state

[bright valley]

The crap acceleration, AND the spalling, AND taking damage straight to your health so you're incredibly bleedy.

[crude prism]

Armorer is broke btw. Does nothing right now 🤷

[loud crescent]

fun fact:
if you peek a door and then nudge it open (instead of opening it regularly) it doesn't alert enemies to your location
whereas if you Open a door then they'll turn towards the noise

[tepid blaze]

Well ideally you'd use cover to not get hit but the AI has a habit of threading the needle and popping your eye out from range sometimes.

[slender adder]

they worked before hotfix, its a shame

[crude prism]

Did anyone actually confirm? Because I just took everyone's word for it lmaooooooooo

[tepid blaze]

I wish RoN had the Rainbow Six 3 style of door opening where you could slow open doors.

[slender adder]

I'm pretty sure I soaked up tons of bullets with armorer

did a lot of neon tomb solo clearing and I'm sure my front plate took more than 4 bullets

[crude prism]

I think so as well, I just cant confirm

[slender adder]

using your primary right is important also, if you can't neutralize someone in three hits you are in trouble

[loud crescent]

a few protips:

• peek a door and then nudge it open to avoid alerting enemies
• use a mirrorgun to see through cover
• free-lean to turbocrouch and lower your hitbox
• free-lean around corners to see them without them seeing you
• taser melee has a very high stun/compliance rate (drive-stun)
• as long as an enemy has their weapon raised, you won't be dinged for RoE if you shoot them with lethals
• as long as an enemy has a weapon at all, you won't be dinged for RoE if you shoot them with LTLs
• bomb vest enemies follow 'weapon is raised' RoE when they're running (even if they're running away)
• when you open a door, you can bounce grenades off it to get the grenade inside the room at a nice angle
• when using NVGs, you can use MMB menu to act as a crosshair
• you move faster when in low ready
• with a high-caliber rifle and AP rounds, you can shoot enemies through cover and thin walls
• shooting LTLs at a surrendering suspect will get you dinged for RoE...
• ... but shooting the ground beside them with pepperballs will not as long as you don't hit them with the ball itself

[slender adder]

laugh at the low ready user
this post was made by the high ready gang

[stone bay]

I knew the last 3, I’m definitely not new to the game, but the rest I knew in practice but not in theory

like shooting someone with their weapon raised, I always figured it was the case but didn’t think I could until they started firing

[loud crescent]

yeah, as long as their weapon is high, you can shoot on sight, even from across the map

[crude prism]

Bleeding is a good thing btw. Bleeds mean you get to heal lol. And shots that are blocked by steel don't cause bleeds

[loud crescent]

low weapon, you have to yell for compliance first, and then wait for them to either raise the weapon or surrender

[bright valley]

Opening doors from the handle side has been the standard for me unless there's a specific reason not to. Door provides cover while you get a nade in.

[loud crescent]

personally i like to open it from the hinge side, easier to pie that way

[gloomy thistle]

is the weapon cache in port hoken bugged?

[loud crescent]

nah, it just spawns in a different location each time

look for crates with the spider on them

[stone bay]

haven’t encountered any bugs relating to it

[loud crescent]

peek open from the hinge (reaching across the door), nudge the door open and toss a bang in
or if you're going loud, open from the handle, then bounce the bang

[stone bay]

I can collect it just fine

[bright valley]

Despite the peek-and-push being the fancy stealthy meta way to do it, I really don't like doing it because it feels so fucking clunky.

[loud crescent]

port hokan soft objectives:
||weapons crate - outside, in a spider container||
||drugs crate - outside, in a spider container||
||auction room - inside the secret area at the back of the warehouse||
||trafficking container - to the left side of the map, outside, by an extension building||
||seal up the container - same as trafficking container, but after the talk with FISA||

[loud crescent]

it really does tbh

there's also the ultra meme strat of
going into TURBOCROUCH MODE (crouching and using free-lean to push yourself even further down) to minimise your hitbox
then opening the door

[bold sky]

wait is armorer actually broke XDXD

so that guide on armorer doubling durability was fake news

[loud crescent]

9/10 times they'll miss you because you're tiny
also to my knowledge armorer works fine but only for ceramic

[bold sky]

hell yeah lol i already guessed that a lot of the officer abilities are fucking broken

[stone bay]

oh I’ve been doing this since I picked up the shield

[calm magnet]

100%. It feels almost like it is unintended.

[stone bay]

which was like 2 hours in the game

[loud crescent]

armorer increases the durability of ceramic by ~25% per (with diminishing returns past 2)
but you can't increase the durability of steel, since it doesn't break anyway

[crude prism]

Armorer increases ceramic durability by 100%, but does not stack, so you only need 1

[stone bay]

that’s rule 1 for the shield users is max crouch so others can fire over you

[bold sky]

i mean does it even work

[loud crescent]

it works if you use ceramic, yes

[bold sky]

its impossible to test that rn

[loud crescent]

it doesn't work if you use steel

[bold sky]

theres no conclusive test environment

[urban walrus]

It used to have one lol https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/t3vk4k/comment/hyvkybx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[loud crescent]

you can measure TTK in multiplayer by having your friend shoot you with 9mm

[bold sky]

bc if you want armorer you are running commander mode how are you gonna test it there

armorer doesnt work in mp?

[loud crescent]

nah, but you can get the base TTK from that

and then you can compare it to armorer by shooting your colleagues in commander mode

[bold sky]

not to mention friendly fire dr

[prime wing]

Tip for opening doors in ron: Dont

Just blow the whole door

[loud crescent]

anecdotally: yes, armorer does help
it's not huge (i don't think it's 100%) but it does help

[bold sky]

thats actually not a bad idea now we need someone to go test it out

[calm magnet]

It works if you get shot in the plates. And the round fired doesnt penetrate them. And the hit detection works the way it was intended to. It helps enough that you always should be mindful of it. It isn't going to be the thing that regularly saves your life though.

[slender adder]

MMMM tested it and it doesnt work rn

[bold sky]

i trust that man

[crude prism]

im not infallible

[slender adder]

oh wait are we even talking about armorer

[crude prism]

it happens

[bold sky]

at least you talk w data

[loud crescent]

my s-rank team was uhhhh
negotiator, pacifier, riot control and i forgot the last one

[slender adder]

we were

[bold sky]

a lot of people feelycraft and i dont trust people who talks without data

[crude prism]

Ill have to test it every patch from now on

I tested with Ceramic + steel on the current one, doesn't work for SWAT AI or us

[stone bay]

I am 100% that type of person

[bright valley]

If it's a wooden door, shoot the two corners on its hinge side with the breaching shotgun and it'll self destruct. Good fun.

[bold sky]

ngl i would not care too much about singleplayer when it comes to data testing

i think the whole skill system is just something to make people who dont want to interact w society feel better playing alone

[calm magnet]

Wasn't it confirmed that the friendly fire numbers are wildly off base in commander mode, as the damage reduction implemented messes with stats in ways that are unreliable? That's how we got the whole "gas mask stops as many rounds as the balistic face mask" thing, which is likely inaccurate with the numbers we have now.

[bold sky]

but im also just curious to how broken the game is

[crude prism]

That myth came from a few guys testing on eachother, not the bots

[bold sky]

like nutritionalist for example i really really want to test it somehow

it would be a good laugh if nutri turns out to not be working too

[stone bay]

I’m running one, doesn’t help me one bit but I like to think it does

[bold sky]

honestly feeling good is prolly enough sometimes

[crude prism]

SWAT AI has more health than players. 250 instead of 160.

An extra piece of relevant information is that friendly fire damage is UNCAPPED. But suspects shots are clamped to a maximum of 70 damage on players/bots

[bold sky]

i like to work w data to figure out a gun that i see as best in slot only to feel more confident

i have no way of telling if the gun is actually best lol

[calm magnet]

This is incredibly useful info.

[bold sky]

i used to run arn180 1-4x canted with absolute faith that its the best gun in this game until i realize that its sights are not aligned properly

but obviously before that i run the gun and was so confident i can just solo clear mindjot/hospital and club w that thing

[bright valley]

great choice with the arn though

[loud crescent]

my personal 👌 gun is the SA-58
oneshots enemies through armor, you can't spray and pray with it but you don't need to

[bold sky]

faith alone makes you play well enough ngl it matters more to land your shots

[loud crescent]

ARN18/MCX/LVAR are all pretty good if you like going full auto but can still aim
and if you go full auto and can't aim, P90

[bold sky]

but .300 being very good definitely contributes

[loud crescent]

i honestly did notice the difference going from 7.62x51 to .300 blk

[bold sky]

oh boy the fal one shot argument here we go

[loud crescent]

it kills targets just as easily, sure, but

[crude prism]

Because suspect damage is clamped BEFORE multipliers. You take the same amount of damage from effectively every single bullet in the game. (besides pistol-calibers at range)

7.62x51 AP at 160 damage on players leg is clamped to 70 and then multiplier by the limb mult of 0.3 for a total of 21 damage.
9mm AP at 70 damage is multiplied by the limb mult of 0.3 for a total of 21 damage.

7.62x51 AP at 160 damage on steel armor is clamped to 70 and then multiplied by the steel mult of 0.3 for 21 damage.
9mm AP at 70 damage is multiplied by the steel mult of 0.3 for 21 damage

[loud crescent]

7.62x51 can shoot through pretty much any cover a target hides behind

including walls on some maps

[bold sky]

ok actually speaking of which is there a way to visually test how well ammo pen

[loud crescent]

.300 blk is likely to get stopped by heavier cover in my experience, though against targets it's just as effective ofc

[bold sky]

7.62x51 ap has double the pen of 5.56 ap from stat but what does that mean

like does it go thru material twice as thick

or does it not lose too much damage wallbanging

[crude prism]

yes, it's twice as much material penetration

[bold sky]

so visually what object would it go thru that 5.56 ap cant?

[crude prism]

"who knows"

[bold sky]

im just lost when it comes to that actually cant find a test

[crude prism]

Just find a pillar, see if 7.62x51 will go through, then see if 5.56 does

[loud crescent]

pretty much

[calm magnet]

Would this mean that 1) it is impossible to die in a single shot in-game, and that 2) armor type is effectively irrelevant against all AP ammo in the game, regardless of caliber?

[bold sky]

i mean i try that w my friend and pretty much anything 556 can wallbang 762 ap can too

[loud crescent]

you can at least definitely tell the difference between like
9mm and 7.62x51

[bold sky]

yes you wont get one shot when you are healthy technically speaking unless you wear no helmet or get hit in the face without protection

actually you can to explosive

[loud crescent]

the diff between rifle calibers is more subtle, but 7.62x51 can shoot through anything short of a concrete wall

[bold sky]

nothing like jaja jaja jaja into hope this detonator works and teammates body blocking so you cant shoot mister bomb vest

[carmine moon]

how is this 1.0 if it doesn't have all the stuff the 2019 trailer said it would have

[loud crescent]

because trailers aren't real

[bold sky]

its not leave a negative review and dont play the game

[loud crescent]

it's 1.0 because the devs packaged it and released it as 1.0
that doesn't mean it has everything the trailer included yet

the label 1.0 is functionally meaningless

[crude prism]

1. it is not possible to be killed in a single hit EXCEPT to a point blank shotgun shot that hits every single pellet on your bare torso. (or if you didnt pick a helmet lol)

2. Suspects only use the AP variant of all ammo types, shotguns get a nerfed buckshot type.
   2b) Steel and Ceramic will block every single hit, even when Ceramic is broken. You just take blunt damage when the durability is 0
   2c) Shots that hit broken ceramic armor do not cause bleeds, which is a bad thing, because you take 60% damage versus steel which always takes 30%

70 damage on steel is 21 damage always
70 damage on broken ceramic is 42 damage

[loud crescent]

broken ceramic still gives DR???

[crude prism]

ye

[loud crescent]

holy shit, that makes heavy ceramic even better

[bold sky]

not that much tho

i wonder if broken ceramic still has level 6 armor?

or is that reduced too

[loud crescent]

the arm/leg coverage is gamechanging if you're taking 40% less damage on limb shots even after the ceramic pops

[crude prism]

Yes. Broken ceramic armor still "stops" every shot. But you take 60% of the damage

Ceramic blocking shots and not letting you bleed is a BAD thing.

[bold sky]

hmm whats with this arm leg coverage isnt heavy armor coverage the same for steel and cera

does bleeding still heal you when you patch up

thats lit actually

[loud crescent]

yes but
heavy armor covers arms/legs
light armor doesn't

[crude prism]

If you're under 50% health, you gain 50% health.

heavy armor does not cover arms/legs

[bold sky]

oh really big lit

[loud crescent]

as in
you get +50%
or you top yourself up to 50%?

[bold sky]

was about to say i dont recall heavy covering limbs

[crude prism]

If you are at 40 of 160 health, and stop a bleed, you gain 80 health. 40 + 80

[bold sky]

i assume if you are like 60 hp you just get 60 +80

this is lit steel armor definitely meta then

always a big fan of steel was mostly skeptical of its acceleration pen

[crude prism]

Steel gives you the absolute best longevity, but it's still RNG based. Because you could just RNG into no bleeds, or ONLY get hit in the torso

[bold sky]

but if bleeding still heal then its lit af

[calm magnet]

This makes a lot more sense, and seems to mirror what I've experienced in-game. Thank you very much for the detailed explanations.

[bold sky]

you know this man made a stat sheet pinned in this channel explaining all the above he just told you and more in detail

[crude prism]

yeah I was having an anyeurism because the devs kept insisting that players dealt less FF damage, but then because FF damage is actually uncapped they're just wrong lmao

[bold sky]

wonder if we are approaching a straight up raw dps stat sheet w all this information ngl lol

[bright valley]

and at the end of all the discussion about armor effectiveness there's headshots that can just totally fuck you lol

[bold sky]

ballistic helmet actually saves you more than you would think

[crude prism]

thankfully suspects dont actual aim at your head right?

[bold sky]

i would rather get shot in the head so that thing gets some work in before it breaks than to the limb

[calm magnet]

No - I haven't bothered with this discord in almost 4 years lol. I stalked the NDA discord for a about a year and offered feedback and bug reports, but this is practically a completely different game now. I appreciate the tip.

[bold sky]

thats actually respectable this game kinda been piss for so long

if its not for the great gunplay game would prolly be dead long ago

[bright valley]

I've definitely seen my helmet disappear from the paperdoll indicator, so I can only assume it's occurring sometimes.

[crude prism]

headshots from suspects are accidental

[bright valley]

point being it is kind of an RNG death that can get thrown at you if you get unlucky enough, regardless of equipment choice.

[crude prism]

ayup

[bold sky]

does ballistic helmet ragdoll ever go away when it breaks?

it doesnt seem to at all

[bright valley]

helmet ragdoll?

[crude prism]

it will, if it breaks

[bold sky]

does ballistic helmet cover the entire head tho then

[crude prism]

keep in mind the paperdoll is still broken and always shows 1 hit behind, does not update in real time

[bright valley]

ay caramba

[bold sky]

that prolly explains

[calm magnet]

It's like the whole world suddenly makes more sense...

[bold sky]

but even then ballistic helmet is still made of sturdy stuff compared to other helmet then

[crude prism]

The head is a single hitbox. All helmets cover the whole thing

[bold sky]

except no helmet i assume lol

[crude prism]

Same hitbox, just no 'protection'

[bold sky]

thats interesting to know but i run ballistic helmet and abuse colorblind mode to do night maps without nv anw lol

also is g36 like the only rifle with acceptable recoil rn that doesnt have misaligned canted laser sight?

i swear that arn180 canted is fucked no matter what

or it could just be the recoil pattern actually now that i think about it

[calm magnet]

I think most of the 5.56 and 300 blk guns have decent recoil if you shove a break on them and are in the habit of pulling down on mouse. Which isn't ideal for suspect stress, but... that seems to get maxed out no matter what, so I leave the supressors with the armorer, and apologize to my teammates for the tinnitus. With supressors or without breaks, I agree, many of the guns feel far too jumpy. But that's been something people have been giving feedback on for over a year now. It's been tweaked and modified here and there, but a sweet spot seems elusive. Kind of like suspect AI.

[bold sky]

yes but also g36 f90 and arn180 are the clear 3 outstanding specimen

not to mention most im trying to figure out weapons that when canted actually fire where ads goes

there arent that many weapons in the game rn all of them either have recoil pattern that drifts left if you fire rapidly even in semi or kicks up too hard

some straight up have broken canted

not to mention my favorite optics 1-4 is just misaligned since pre 1.0 forever

[crude prism]

he's talking about this btw https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1193328545498403027

There's a big bug with laser/barrel misalignment when canting. Caused by equipping optics

[bold sky]

god f90 w 1-4x canted recoil is so hot

if only the bullets actually go where the laser is and it would be fire

[calm magnet]

This is interesting - it seems like the bullet comes from the optic then in this case, not from where we would think of the "barrel". Which makes sense, as players would likely get frustrated with height-over-bore concerns while peeking doors (even if it is realistic). But they didn't account for this when they added the laser to the weapons later on.

[crude prism]

This is the conclusion we in the modding discord came to as well. The bullets don't actually come from the optic, as you can walk up to a wall and shoot to see it hit low, but the optic is the reference point. If you turn the optic 90* to the left, it shoots 90* to the left. The 'barrel' where the bullet comes from is set with an offset height value on the attachment itself per weapon

[bold sky]

so does silencer play any impact on that stress mechanic thingy

well suppressor to be technically correct

[crude prism]

Silencers halve the stress suspects gain from hearing gunshots

[bold sky]

if only recoil from putting that on assault rifles wasnt so bad

you manage to datamine anywhere the exact % recoil reduction of each attachments yet?

[crude prism]

See this vid #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[calm magnet]

That would be very interesting... and likely kill a lot of sacred cows, I feel.

[bold sky]

like why is sfmb just outperforming asr rn pre 1.0 i swear that asr works better on some weapons if not all, but statistically speaking shouldnt asr be better

[crude prism]

asr has always been worse

significantly

[bright valley]

Do you happen to know if the stress gain for shooting is adjusted for the caliber of weapon at all? 'cause if it's just per bullet fired, that'd make the SA-58 with a suppressor really good for suspect stress, wouldn't it?

[crude prism]

It's just per bullet

[bright valley]

oh god

[bold sky]

it wont be as good as you think bc fal doesnt always one shot

the map where people perceive are harder tend to have hp modifier so you end up needing 2 shots anw

[crude prism]

another reason SMGs kinda blow

[bold sky]

i would say stress is something you wanna keep in mind on the side tho

smg shorter barrels tend to have its usage too

[crude prism]

"meh"

[bold sky]

spc lol

firing that thing prolly send stress sky high but it definitely drops

plus barrel length on that thing is good for tight angle peek

[crude prism]

SPC is fun

[bold sky]

yeah fun factor is high on that too

so long as you have ammo to keep firing lol

[arctic forge]

Why it taking so long to patch performance issues?...

[bold sky]

bc game suck leave negative review and play something else while waiting

[bright valley]

Gotta say, big fan of how the death animations actually show up now. Sometimes it seems to delay when you can restrain a suspect, but for the most part that's negligible.

[calm magnet]

This is just hilarious. In your opinion, is this something that could be fixed easily (just don't have the optic serve as a reference point when canting the gun), or is this something that would be more difficult to account for and fix overall? It seems like the devs may have wanted to have their cake and eat it too - to have the optic feel "good" like most first person shooters do, but be unrealistic - bullets go where dot is 95% of the time - no real concerns with height over bore, or zeroing distance on the optic, hold over/ under etc. But they wanted the laser to feel more realistic (laser is off-set from bore, so rounds will never quite go where the laser is), but in doing so, they... created a monster.

[crude prism]

I honestly have no idea

In my head it shouldn't be too hard of a fix, but something is wrong with the laser, when canted aiming, it no longer aligns in constant zero with the sight

[crude prism]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message this is how the lasers are set up right now in RoN when aiming normally

[bright valley]

Mindjot guard just opened a door I was mirroring, got spooked and sprayed at me while he ducked behind cover, and then surrendered, unprompted. I did not shoot or shout at him, lmao.

[marsh lark]

What game are you playing. Height over bore is in RoN. But sights irl to my knowledge are calibrated to meet with the barrel at longer ranges otherwise a scope would be pointless

[crude prism]

Both the optics and lasers are set unrealistically to "straight"

For simplicity

[marsh lark]

I think that is just nitpicking.

[bold sky]

its not if canted laser is misaligned significantly enough

have to run no optics arn180 if i want to cant it and can still hit targets reliably

[marsh lark]

What's wrong with the laser?

[crude prism]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1193328545498403027

[bold sky]

honestly that thing should be pinned like on top of the bug report forum its just buried deep in all the irrelevant complaints there

not to mention this exist since pre 1.0

[crude prism]

I brought it to them already. There was a brief back and forth

[bold sky]

thats good to hear at least

but its still been around since pre 1.0 even in the nda free disc

and if a legit bug shows up in this discord pre 1.0 then you know its widespread

[crude prism]

yeah I made the original report for like 5 months ago lul

[abstract belfry]

hello guys i have a rtx 2060 with an intel i5 12400f and my game has frame drops at times, i have tried everything except mods, is there a mod that can significantly help ???

[bold sky]

a lot of people were bashing on 1-4x being misaligned like 2 years ago

[crude prism]

that a separate issue

but also true lul

[bold sky]

1-4x being misaligned is just flat out obnoxious bc then even adsing is weird

at least the other optics cause canted issue only but using 1-4 is just playing the game on steroids

misaligned ads and canted

[crude prism]

"just all fucked up"

[bold sky]

this honestly is why buckshot feels so good in this game

bc at the end of the day landing shots is more important bc of stagger chance and buckshot w anywhere from not piss poor aim and above is just guarantee first hit for follow up shots if there are even follow up shots

[bright valley]

also 1-shotting people in the limbs is just really really good

[plain kraken]

Trying to mod the game so I can do patrol officer gameplay but I don’t need 4 teammates hmm

Also no helmet feature doesn’t seem to work for ai teammates for some reason

[bright valley]

like, half the time you're firing at someone who's got their arms in front of their torso

[tough spire]

You might need an upgrade to run this better. Not sure if a mod will help much, but downscaling the resolution probably will

[acoustic carbon]

is it normal for the textures to just suddenly go super lowres despite the decal fade distance?

and like the textures sometimes turn black or glitch out

[tough spire]

Sounds like hard drive speed problems, not getting into cache fast enough

[acoustic carbon]

aw man :(

[marsh lark]

No, currently even though RTX 2060 is pretty old is enough to run most today games at probably max graphics. RoN especially. And the CPU is again, more than enough to run RoN

[tough spire]

You lost me at "2060 can run most today games at max" - that's not even remotely true.

The i5 is likely fine

[solid laurel]

Can we shut off the music in the club?? Its so damn loud

[tough spire]

Yeah if you find the audio board

[upbeat niche]

Poor optimization atm, i have a 3060 and im getting frame drops too, at worst i go down to like 20 fps

What we can do is lower graphics a bit and just wait for the devs to fix it

[solid laurel]

Where is that?

[tough spire]

Upstairs above the dance floor, kinda weird to get to

[upbeat niche]

I like the loud music it makes it more immersive

[tight frigate]

second floor, near the entrance to the pools is the dj set overlooking the dance floor

[bright valley]

Man, I really want to try to enjoy stealth in this game and generally see more of the lower stress AI in action, but walking/crouching everywhere is so goddamn slow it's pulling me out of the experience.

[true crescent]

just completed every mission in the game and ironman mode wont unlock does anyone know how to unlock it?

[tough spire]

Ironman is always unlocked you just have to select it when you make a new save

[true crescent]

Says "Disabled" though

[karmic karma]

Click on disabled

[tough spire]

Click that button so it says enabled

[true crescent]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh mb

[tough spire]

Rofl np

[karmic karma]

Side note

When they fix the subtitles, I hope somebody makes a mod that restores the George M subtitles

Its iconic at this point

[tough spire]

They have fixed it I think. I haven't seen it since the hot fix

[karmic karma]

I've definitely still seen some fucky ones

[tough spire]

Has George shown up? I haven't seen him 😭

[karmic karma]

But then again I was late to the party swapping back to the main branch from supporteralpha so it might have been that

Further testing required

[tough spire]

Current build is pretty good. I've been happy with what they've worked on so far.

[gloomy thistle]

lmao

[tough spire]

I'll keep carrying this name in memory regardless.

[slender adder]

George M deserves a spot in the credits

what a great lad

couldn't have done it without him

[winter shadow]

I am here

To meow <(OvO)>

[tough spire]

Omg George should be one of the memorial names

[ember mauve]

hello.

[tough spire]

Meow

[marsh lark]

Did anyone notice some registration bug on 5.56

for whatever reason it when enemies are walking/running you can shoot them up to 5 times before they die which is absurd and yet .300 blk or 7.62 does not have that issue.

[ember mauve]

iam batman.

[tough spire]

🦇

[ember mauve]

hello

[maiden flame]

Hey my RON on steam has been stuck in a Verifying loop for 3 days now, it's non stop. Anyone else getting this?

Trying to reinstall now, but never had this issue lol

Right, so now when i reinstall it takes 1 minute, it's not downloading the game correctly 🤷‍♂️

[upbeat niche]

Verifying loop?

[maiden flame]

The game had a update, i installed it, it veryfied my install and kept doing it again and again

now i had to reinstall but it's not downloading on steam correctly

[upbeat niche]

Hm

Ask in #💻tech-support

[stone bay]

Just replayed Greased Palms. Seems the subtitles haven’t been fully fixed yet. One of the suspects said “fuck holmes” but the subtitle was “fuckholes”

[jovial basalt]

I know that there are more difficult missions after the mindjot data center but I just can't seem to complete it at all

It's driving me insane

[bold sky]

its fine to be stuck there, mindjot is one where the difficulty definitely ramps

they all wear proper armor and rock real guns

they are only missing last tier armor and hp modifier, plus the environment is hazardous there but you'll get it

and once you finish mindjot it'll likely become one of those maps where if you want to have a quick shootout or testing the performance of a gun you'll go there

its dynamic and kinda packed w action

[bright valley]

Hard to beat The Spider for action IMO.

[civic zinc]

Planning a hotfix is easy
Just write down what you want to focus on with each hotfix, that's very different than actually figuring out and then solving the problems

[bright valley]

Mindjot's definitely been one of my favorite maps ever since it dropped in EA.

[civic zinc]

I loved the hospital, still mixed on the change to suspect density

On the one hand it now really lets the grim atmosphere breathe, but on the other hand I liked how chaotic a firefight could get

[bright valley]

Hospital is just a long-ass map.

[civic zinc]

That's why I liked it

Xd

[livid notch]

still loving methhouse and valley of dolls

[stone bay]

How in the course of updating it, supposedly, does a game developer manage to further break their product? I should not be lagging this hard with a rig as good as I have.

[civic zinc]

It stutters, probably a bug with occlusion culling

[stone bay]

What is occlusion culling?

[civic zinc]

When the game stops rendering things you can't see to save resources

I've noticed that most of my stutters come from trying to load in a room or something again

And it seems like the game has some bug that gets it stuck in a loop trying to load an asset in, tanking my framerate

Or just a skill issue on my PC's part

If you're computer parts are newer I'd recommend switching to dx12

Turn on dlss or fsr

Try lowering some settings

[bold sky]

hospital is just big i think you can end the mission very fast if you hustle it tho

hospital angles are nice so its like just the morgue where you have to slow down a bit for safety

[dense quest]

Which entrance are you using?

[upbeat niche]

Just unlocked greased palms and have heard alot about it, is it hard?

[dense quest]

One of the hardest

A strategy that works is to rock an sa58 with the longest scope and clear all of the outside area before going into the big warehouse from the side

The way I completed it with my partner is that we entered the reception building and cleared it then wedged the doors that go into the big warehouse area and went out from the garage into the outside and cleared with my "sniper" then entered from the side

[livid notch]

shield on back can be also useful, as in sorting room there are a lot of places form you can be ambushed

[mental fable]

Hey guys, to unlock the golden watch do we need to complete the commander mode with the ironman mode on or off ?

[rocky plover]

on without losing any officers aswell

[mental fable]

Is there any changes when we turn the ironman mode on ?

[rocky plover]

yeah if you die save gets deleted and have to start the missions from the first mission

[mental fable]

Oh that is painful

[rocky plover]

yea but way easier than S ranks imo

[mental fable]

Yea but I need to grind the gas station to unlock all my teammates traits

But I'll try

[heavy ice]

does incapacitation counts as losing officers?

[rocky plover]

personally i did all 18 S ranks on practice mode, didnt wanna deal with the therapy/traits kind of thing

[mental fable]

Yea same bro I got all the missions S ranks on practive mode

[rocky plover]

im not 100% sure, but even if they quit the job its voids the achievement as i heard

[heavy ice]

I see

[upbeat niche]

I completed greased palms on my 2nd ever try lets go

B tier

[rocky plover]

its technically easier on commander with the traits but ye tbh i preferred doing it on practice mode

[mental fable]

Yea bc the suspect AI is a bit too powerful

And we have 2 more hotfixes

Hopefully the 2 more hotixes will get RoN back on tracks

[plain kraken]

I guess carriers of the vine went fine with just one casualty hmm

RIP my one man

[rocky plover]

Suspect AI is the same between the 2 modes but the officer traits on commander on paper makes it a little bit easier is what I meant

[mental fable]

You mean in the ironman mode, we can unlock the officers' traits easier ?

[rocky plover]

Nono I never said that

I'm comparing playing on commander Vs practice mode

Commander is easier cos of the traits you get with the officers, if you are patient to deal with therapy and stuff

[mental fable]

Ohhh ok I get it what you meant

[rocky plover]

But yeah to easily pass commander mode on iron man mode just use lethal force and don't care about score too much that's the way I did it

It was way easier than getting all 18 S ranks

[mental fable]

Iyo, which is the best officers' traits in career mode ? Like SBAGS and Armorer combine with Paramedic and Breacher ?

[rocky plover]

Depends if you're going lethal or non lethal I'd say

Considering I did lethal on commander ironman and non lethal on practice mode

I picked 2 veteran, 1 nutritionist, 1 armourer for my lethal run in commander ironman

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[rocky plover]

I ran other ones a little bit too when I had to send the ones I mentioned above for therapy however

But the other ones mostly help with non lethal like the negotiator trait

[mental fable]

So that means if I combine some of the lethal and nonlethal traits together, it'll do nothing ?

[rocky plover]

It can still help

[unreal trail]

man the music for this game just slaps hard

[rocky plover]

But usually you either want to go fully lethal or fully non lethal, not in between

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[rocky plover]

So really depends on your tactics and how you wanna approach it

Then you pick the traits according to the above

[fallen lotus]

what is up with performance in this game 😭 30fps\

[rocky plover]

Some traits also stack btw, but I don't recommend having the same one more than twice

[cyan shadow]

tips for relapse?

[stone bay]

For me. Non lethal is 2 Intimidators, Pacifier, and an Armorer. Lethal I go Veteran, Armorer, SBAGS, Intimidator/Nutritionist

I basically just have an Armorer on any comp

[cyan shadow]

performance went to shi*t after 1.0

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[rocky plover]

Intimidators and negotiator very good for non lethal, for lethal best I found was 2 veterans, 1 armourer , 1 nutritionist

[mental fable]

If I have 2 SBAGS with me, will it decreases more of my teammates stress ?

[rocky plover]

Sbags and paramedic are kind of a waste imo

But yes

[stone bay]

Nah don’t. Some traits are better stacked than SBAGS.

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[rocky plover]

Yes it does stack but there are better ones as he said

[stone bay]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3118547658 get a feel of what traits you might like

[rocky plover]

Armourer however does not stack for example

[stone bay]

Might try this out. Only reason I have SBAGS is to avoid stressing them out too much, but I can manage fine since I play a mix of non lethals and full lethal. Like I go full lethal but will still consider arresting some suspects just for my team’s mental health. Flash, gas, stingers, any method

[rustic robin]

what map is after border?

[fading hemlock]

ugh need to do the voll missiom its so boring

[rocky plover]

Yeah personally I sent them to therapy as soon as they needed it since it takes 1 "day" as opposed to 2 or 3, and used other traits but never used sbags and tbh didn't have problems with officers quitting, yeah I also arrested as many as I could with flashbangs etc but I used lethal force aswell

[rocky plover]

Pretty much felt the safest way to pass all missions without dying and losing a single officer while still doing an occasional arrest here and there

[stone bay]

Yeah am on Elephant now on my Ironman run

[cold swift]

Fellas, how do I get the "Way out west" achievement? Cleared the map 2 times now but nothing seems to work

[rocky plover]

nice goodluck and have fun

[rocky plover]

use only the revolver and nothing else, no bangs, no shield, no mirror guns, thats how i did it and it worked for me

you can however use the AI and get them to use any weapons, bangs etc...

[stone bay]

This + you can use your AI team to make the level easier

[cold swift]

Literally did just that two times in a row

Idk anymore

[stone bay]

Try not to get involved when arresting

Just let the AI arrest

[rocky plover]

did u try doing it putting all slots on secondary ammo and nothing else?

[cold swift]

Made no arrests in the last run

[cold swift]

Yes, I had no primary ammo

[stone bay]

Welp welcome to my pain I guess. Cause I tried getting “The Hanged Man” similar to your tactics and didn’t get it as well

[rocky plover]

hmm weird, i heard someone else mentioning he had problems getting the ach tho, and sounded like a bug

the hanged man worked fine for me aswell

[cold swift]

Oh man, this sucks way more

[stone bay]

Might try it again if I get bored

[cold swift]

I've checked steam forums and the info on what works and what doesn't work for the achievement there is very diverse so to say

[rocky plover]

yeah i dont know what else to say, when i approached the achievement i took it literally and just used the revolver only, while commanding my AI to most of the dirty work

[cold swift]

Man, I guess my game is bugged somehow

[rocky plover]

someone mentioned it might be bugged however

as you're not the first to having the ach not popping up

[near spruce]

when you launch the game in "safe mode" what direct X api does it use

[fervent orbit]

I FINALLY GOT S RANK ON PORT IN SINGLEPLAYER

that took 3 days holy fuck

[rocky plover]

goodjob, i feel your pain, although there were harder ones than port tbh

[fervent orbit]

I dont disagree with you there but it felt the most painful since it was the last one

[rocky plover]

yeah true also the one that has the most suspects so it feels like a really long mission

[fervent orbit]

it feels like you have to play a lot differently than the other maps

for the others I could kinda get my ai guys to help a little

but for port I had to just solo it

[rocky plover]

ye its very diverse map, close range encounters, really long range encounters etc..

[fervent orbit]

aka a map I'm never running nonlethal on again

[rocky plover]

with swat AI, definitely not, with players maaaaaybe 😛

[fervent orbit]

which would you say was the hardest for you

[rocky plover]

it's hard to pick a single one, cos there were some pretty close ones, that its just hard to pick one as the top 1 hardest

but neon tomb was quite annoying due to the s-vest dude never surrendering

[fervent orbit]

also the guys s ing themselves on that map was annoying as fuck

that map and relapse are definitely up there for sure for me

[rocky plover]

brisa, greased palms, mindot, sins of the father and carriers are up there but i think neon and hospital due to enemy popping themselves was the most annoying

ye same neon and hospital are up there for sure

for that reason

[fervent orbit]

just so annoying/nearly impossible to counter

runs from gas into another room where they shoot themselves

[rocky plover]

i literally had a smoke bug out of the top floor and it somehow fell into the basement

by the time i had the basement only left to clear

[fervent orbit]

just RoN things

[rocky plover]

i found 2 suspects had shot themselves

[fervent orbit]

lmao fuck

[rocky plover]

had to restarts ...... xd

[upbeat niche]

They can do that??

[rocky plover]

and guess what i found the smoke grenade next to one of them

[fervent orbit]

yeah its their favorite way of ruining an s rank

[rocky plover]

so im certain by the time the cs gas effects wore off them they just shot themselves lol

ye it can happen only on neon tomb or hospital tho as far as im aware

[fervent orbit]

cant the guy in agency also do it

[rocky plover]

i only had it happen there at least

oh ye that guy too

since hes like a main objective i kind of excluded him

but ye he deffo can off himself

[upbeat niche]

I died when i almost finished the voll mansion mission so im just letting my team finihs it lol

[wheat wren]

What is the story behind the hotel map?

[livid notch]

it's connected with Brisa Cove - Left Behind attacks the hotel where stays the family of senator, who was responsible for vet care fund cuts

[wheat wren]

Huh ok

[mental fable]

Hey guys, which is the best AR and SMG for my teammates ?

[stone bay]

I would suggest the ARN-180 since it has .300 blackout, you could opt for the SA-80 as its 7.62

[mental fable]

And SMG ?

[rocky plover]

personally i'd steer clear of smg's

[mental fable]

Is the MP5s good ?

[stone bay]

Not sure

[rocky plover]

they are fun but not very optimal to the vest the suspects are wearing

[wheat wren]

10mm works

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[wheat wren]

I used 10 mm as my go to nonlethal cartridge

[mental fable]

Ah ok

[rocky plover]

10mm is just .45acp in the game sadly

with more recoil

[wheat wren]

Yeah, but if your body shot people, usually they don’t die

[mental fable]

Is 45 better than 9mm ?

[wheat wren]

Bigger

[rocky plover]

ye stronger

[mental fable]

Aight

[wheat wren]

But don’t shoot them more than twice

[mental fable]

Alright

[rocky plover]

kinda how like .300 blkout is stronger than 5.56

[mental fable]

Is the MCX series good ?

[wheat wren]

Yeah, but I feel like 45 will kill people instantly, whereas 10 mm will just incapacitate people

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[rocky plover]

ye its .300 blkout so its really good

[mental fable]

Alright

[wheat wren]

Is it really 300 blackout

I thought it was 556 this whole time

[mental fable]

I was asking which is the best ARs for my teammates

[wheat wren]

Oh

Arwc

[earnest wolf]

Is there any reason not to just fire my crisis/stressed officers and replace them with fresh ones?

[wheat wren]

Get one guy with the SA 58, one guy with the ARWC, and then another guy with an MP 5 10 mm

[fair crane]

Well their trait won’t be unlocked straight away

Like the new ones

[rocky plover]

well new ones will have their traits still locked

[wheat wren]

Shotguns aren’t too useful in my experience

[earnest wolf]

@fair crane @rocky plover Thanks both - so it's just the traits. Good to know 👍

[fair crane]

No problem

[wheat wren]

Well, yeah, but they kill people

I guess my goal when playing is to incapacitate as many people as possible

So I choose non lethal load outs whenever possible

[stone bay]

I've never touched SMGs so personally wouldn't know, I think there is a tierlist on youtube which might give you some advice

[earnest wolf]

yeah it's grim when you try to subdue a subject with a shotgun leg shot and their legs just vanish

[rocky plover]

btw i dont know if you know, but you can't get S ranks with incaps anymore, it has to be done purely with LTL

[wheat wren]

The mcx is 556 you were thinking of the MPX

[fair crane]

Anyone know what the most powerful assault rifle in the game is?

[wheat wren]

Yep

[stone bay]

SA-58 at the moment I always get confused about 80 and 58

[wheat wren]

The shoulder cannon, aka SA58

[fair crane]

Damnn wow ok thanks guys

[stone bay]

Its 7.62 caliber so it shreds through everything

[fair crane]

Epic

[wheat wren]

I wish they would put a full length SA58 or something in the game

[stone bay]

Beware of the 20 round magazine though!

[fair crane]

So I can just tap once and they’re on the ground? I don’t want to like shoot once then they keep shooting me, or is it actually that powerful

[wheat wren]

Thirty rounders look so stupid in those things

[stone bay]

Yeah, but then they scream about how they've been shot, which 9 times out of 10 causes me to administer a Mozambique Drill

[wheat wren]

I’ve had dudes with bulletproof vest survive.

[stone bay]

GA416 is best looking rifle in the game

[wheat wren]

No absolutely not

[tulip slate]

all ron players have an obligation to run ends of the earth non-lethal only

[wheat wren]

The 416 is disgusting

[fair crane]

2 shots will do for those

[stone bay]

[wheat wren]

😂

M4 clone jkjkjk

[livid notch]

if you use AP rounds, not many of them will survive to next shot

[stone bay]

I really want an MK14 or a SCAR-H

[fair crane]

Man I love ap rounds because I can just look under a door then shoot through it 😎

[livid notch]

that's pretty valid - now I want it too

[wheat wren]

Has anybody here ever been shot with a beanbag or 40 mike mike?

[wheat wren]

That would be sickkkk

[tulip slate]

idk download a mod. also, i've been able to run 4u non-lethal with no problems at all

[stone bay]

If you check the armoury there is actually a SCAR-H model unused

[wheat wren]

They need just an AKM

[livid notch]

the M14 is already available with mods

[wheat wren]

G3 too

[stone bay]

I don't wanna use weapon mods

[wheat wren]

I don’t

I mean I haven’t played in like a month but anyway

🤡

[stone bay]

You're in luck, they somehow managed to further break the game.

[wheat wren]

Wow! What happened?

[stone bay]

I’ve been stuttering heavily at random times on every map I’ve tested so far.

I’ll fiddle with the settings whenever I wake up.

[azure lava]

any tips to get past IDES OF MERCH?

[rocky plover]

wedges, plenty of them

[azure lava]

I have been stuck on this mission for a week

[rocky plover]

one of the annoying ones yea but considering not alot of suspects it aint that hard

[tulip slate]

the route i used to beat it is:
-Spawn at fire exit. This will give you clear access to the centre room.
-Leave spawn, do NOT let your team clear the hallway. Instead, immediately stack up and breach the door to the centre room, which should be in front of you.
-From there, identify doors that can lead you into rooms on the opposite side of the hallway, and use routes that have minimal hallway travel time. (Do not be afraid to shoot and arrest suspects nearby.
-Repeat this until the rooms are cleared, and you can now clear the hallway.

Also, carry AP. All of the suspects have vests.

[azure lava]

did you end up arresting 3 suspects?

[tulip slate]

iirc no, you can probably fix that by using better placed flashbangs n stuff (i relied on my teammates to throw flashes for me)

[azure lava]

oh ok thanks

[livid notch]

consider this objective as optional, srsly

[civic zinc]

does the evidence locker fill up more the higher of a rank you get on any given mission?

[livid notch]

dont think so

[earnest wolf]

I find that if I want to take people alive it's better to leave my AI guys in another room. You can pop a pistol shot into the suspects leg if they pull something as you try to arrest them, but your AI guys will just delete them instantly

I wish you could further subdue them after they've surrendered without losing score

[azure lava]

finished it first try but with three of my guys dead lol

[tulip slate]

rip

[eager merlin]

@tulip slate the way i did it is i first of all wedged all 4 main rooms, cleared round the outside of the centre room + elevator, cleared the laundry room, then flashed and cleared the centre room.

from there start with the smaller rooms, i typically start with room closest to the elevator

[tulip slate]

honestly, i have no sense of strategy. my plan for every map is to breach a room, clear it, and if i get a gun pulled on me just shoot until they're down

[eager merlin]

thats why youre getting fucked on brisa. wedge. the. outer. rooms

it actually helps so much cause then the people cant move in and out and you basically isolate the entire map using just 4 wedges and clearing 2 rooms

[bold sky]

honestly you can either work on strat or if that bores you too hard then this game is a gun game and you can try to win every gunfight

like i think you prolly put in 60-70 hours in this game playing it tactically to get thru maps at most then you remember all the angles and you just start plowing thru the bots

so you can clear a room on maps that arent wired by just moving fast and opening the door while walking to the side with your gun at canted/low ready raised up instantly to fire at specific room angles

that works far more reliably w the insane tracking ai rn than trying to peek or take it slow bc if you make noises or suspects are right at the door they sally forth and shoot you which results in death a lot more than if you actively shoot first

[coral void]

Very cool missed out s in vineyard cause I accidentally shot one of my boys

[jaunty lagoon]

SWAT AI still moves way too fast to be honest. I ask my guys to breach a room and they're just running past closed doors, open doors, putting their shields down and getting mowed down before we can even control the situation and the room.

They really need to either be toned down, or let me dictate what their ROE is when we move into a room.

I need to be able to tell my guys that if they encounter any door, closed or open, that they don't move past it and take some kind of cover

The suspect AI is fine, frankly they are a little bit too passive for my tastes. I Wish they would move around a bit more to force more use of door wedges and better planning, but my SWAT AI needs to be a scalpel, a meticulous tool to go through the levels with intent and control.

Right now, they are all trying to be rambos, and they are moving too fast, getting themselves killed, and forcing lethal force when there are better methods to incapacitate and control the situation.

[bold sky]

yeah get in line

[jaunty lagoon]

Like bro they just RUN IN

[slender adder]

not a day goes by where people don't talk about ides

this level is great

[rocky plover]

true lol, or greased palms xD

[jaunty lagoon]

Greased Palms is a bad map because the buddy AI is terrible on it

You spend more time trying to babysit your own officers instead of controlling the situation and dealing with the suspects

[slender adder]

it's a shame that the SWAT AI doesn't work super well on it though

[jaunty lagoon]

I just watched an officer breach a room and literally just run into the open firing his weapon widlyl

Meanwhile, open doors, thresholds, overhangs everwhere

He just runs off into the distance like its call of duty, its awful. This is why the map is bad, not the suspects.

The map is totally playable with regular humans, but SWAT AI is just awful.

[rocky plover]

ye they're not so great in open areas

[jaunty lagoon]

They're not so great in closed areas either because they just run away

[rocky plover]

i mean in closed areas its not that bad if they tell them to stack before breaching

[slender adder]

they probably need different room clearing rule sets for different room sizes

[rocky plover]

but yea suspect Ai is way better than swat Ai

[jaunty lagoon]

In closed areas they run past closed doors, run past surrendering suspects

they just keep runnning,m never stop, never cover

[slender adder]

they are trying to secure the entire room which is fair

[jaunty lagoon]

No its terrible

[slender adder]

no it's how room clearing works

its just they dont support each other

[jaunty lagoon]

You run past a closed door, door opens behind you,m shot in the back of the head

[plain kraken]

Rip my three teammates in relapse

This one John Wick in the end downed them

[jaunty lagoon]

They're just sprinting full tilt into the room without any regard for its shape

You can control the room without sprinting to the end of it, what they do is not room clearing,m its bullshit

[slender adder]

it IS how room clearing works if it was a closed space they were clearing

doors are just not accounted for to them

[rocky plover]

I understand that they try clearing the whole room before detaining suspects/civs but I hate that I have to spam like secure command 10x times because either they do nothing to start doing it and suspect gets back up, he surrenders again but the swat AI doesnt continue detaining them and just keep starting like total fools so it feels like never ending have to keep spamming search and secure with every room

[fair crane]

im salty an ai just wallbanged me LOL

[slender adder]

when they do nothing it means that they are trying to engage

they can't secure the room while fighting

[rocky plover]

Well not always like a room would have 3 suspects all 3 suspects would have surrendered

But the AI keeps staring at them

Instead securing them

Like I understand when they hold different angles of the room and ignore my command to secure but once I try to secure them myself without even commanding them, they all just get around me to try and cuff the guy I'm cuffing aswell ignoring their previously held angles which is pretty dumb tbh

[slender adder]

it's probably hard as fuck to make them not dumb

[rocky plover]

Well the suspect AI is very good and sometimes too good so I don't see why the swat AI couldn't be a little bit better

[twin python]

You can tell them to cover a specific area and they won't secure any weapons or restrain

[rocky plover]

Yeah I know but we were referring to the opposite actually

[bold sky]

bc swat ai quite frankly fucking is not needed for this game

this game could just encourage people to do coop more like pre 1.0

give us dedicated server and better netcode

[rocky plover]

If the matchmaking would have been better I totally agree

[bold sky]

if they waste so much time w swat ai might as well make a social credit system for this game too while they are at it

swat ai is just for people who are so socially awkward they refuse to play w people at this point

[rocky plover]

Ye agree coop is much more fun, but still

[slender adder]

idk i'd rather play with ai

[stone bay]

Same

[slender adder]

considering the way the majority of people plays

[rocky plover]

Guess you guys didn't encounter people playing tactically, just players who thinks this is Cod xD

I get that feeling

[bold sky]

i mean isnt that the point of having servers and knowing who you are playing w aside from just better connection

i dont want to play "tactically" with people who are wanding every door or just going overtly slow

i should then just remember people who also play it w speed and aggression in mind

not to mention dedicated servers allow for server rules set

[light vector]

is there an option to make guns default to auto? That shit killed me like 5 times now

[rocky plover]

ye thats what i like about GB

[bold sky]

sadly no bc this game has too many wanna be swat cosplayer who insist we fire semi at al time

man even those people have never seen cqb doctrine that stress fire superiority and volume of fire

[light vector]

I mean, isn't the point of the game to be a SWAT officer? Are you surprised

[fallen lotus]

semi auto is standard in swat lol

[bold sky]

standard not use it at every single turn

[stone bay]

What about on maps that have wired doors? (Ides of March, Lethal Obsession etc.)

[fallen lotus]

if you use full auto at all times you will prob just hit civilians accidenatlly

[bold sky]

those map you can peek quickly then open doors

[rocky plover]

can just peek door, or blow it up from far with c2 or breach shotgun

[bold sky]

its very dangerous to take time around doors rn bc of cracked ai

[twin python]

No?

[bold sky]

far better to just know what angles there are behind the door and prep for it quickly

[stone bay]

good point

[rocky plover]

mirrorgun makes it boring if overused tbh

[bold sky]

mirrorgun actually have that chance of trolling yourself if suspects hear something and sally forth

[light vector]

well not at all times, when there's a civ nearby I switch to single, it's just annoying to find an enemy, hold down M1 like I'm used to and dying

[bold sky]

if they kick the door in your face its over and mirror unholstering time is horrid

[fallen lotus]

yeah thats just a thing to keep in mind

[stone bay]

I ordinarily use C2, but might start using my breacher more. I wish you could load it with slugs.

[bold sky]

breach shot gun can still be used from range in this game kinda lit ngl

[light vector]

I mean all I want is an option to start with auto instead of single because I keep forgetting to press x at the start of a mission

[bold sky]

can set up so many great kill angles w breach shotgun still

[rocky plover]

ye i just got the habit to instantly switch to full auto as soon as the mission starts, i still mostly fire 1 taps or bursts but i like having the ability to full auto without needing to switch as its already in full auto

[light vector]

yeah that'd be great, I mean it's just one less thing to keep in mind

[gusty shore]

so i just got hermit achievement and my only concern is why is hide and seek so buggy

[marsh lark]

Buggy?

[gusty shore]

Like ai spawn in the warehouse

I've noticed civilians just unresponsive

and i know its not a performance issue with my pc. I dont know if its just a certain graphic settings bug but I only notice it on hide and seek

[rocky plover]

was this after the hotfix? someone else mentioning bugs on hide and seek like couldn't close container door etc.. personally i had no issues before the hotfix, but i havent tried that map after the hotfix yet

[gusty shore]

I never playing it prior to the hotfix

[grizzled raft]

It's happened to me where I'd be aiming at long distance, and suspect AI would randomly "pop-up" during ADS, particularly when facing the warehouse

I just wait till they start shooting and do what I need to do for now

[rocky plover]

thats probably because of the setting "viewing distance"

[grizzled raft]

Could be a vie wdistance thing

Yeah i agree

[gusty shore]

ill check my vieweing distance settings but it should be max

[rocky plover]

probably thats why, people been noticing bugs on that map after hotfix, before it was fine

[gusty shore]

hm

[fallen lotus]

is this game getting vr?

ngl should be a no brainer, literally perfect game for it

[gusty shore]

would be hard for commands

[fallen lotus]

multiplayer though

[gusty shore]

but you could make it work with voiceattack or smthn

[gusty shore]

maybe

[fallen lotus]

or some AI system lol

with for voice

[gusty shore]

yeah voice attack

[fallen lotus]

also am i the only one with bad performancE?

yeah i have my graphics pretty high but it shouldn't drop below 60

[stone bay]

nope

[grizzled raft]

I fixed my performance by going DX12 from DX11. I use a 3060 - Made all the difference.

Bunch of other things you can try I am sure.

[fallen lotus]

pretty sure all cards after 2022 will just perform worse on dx11

[rocky plover]

ye try using DX12, DX11 is for very old components

[grizzled raft]

I didn't expect it but I'd have to take everyones word for it lol

[plain kraken]

Nice there is a new patrol officer mod coming later. Can’t wait to just use handgun

[fallen lotus]

this game in a 5v5 search and destroy multiplayer mode would go hard

[vital ferry]

AI FIX WHEN????

[fallen lotus]

for?

[marsh lark]

Probably in a week or two. Maybe more

And everyone just ignore him, for whatever reason he just wants attention

[pliant sage]

I think certain GPU architectures play well with DX12 and vice versa. For NVIDIA, Turing onwards plays very well with DX12.

[frail grail]

is there any mod that removes muffled voice on gas mask, ballistic mask etc?

[marsh lark]

Well on a 4090 it is irrelevant as for both it works the same. For 3080 DX11 seems to shit it's self and ruin like 70% of your FPS.

Try both and see how it performs, you will notice a significant change in FPS and do not need to ask others really.

[fallen lotus]

pretty sure all cards since the launch of 40 - 70 series perform better on 12

[stone stump]

pretty sure that's a naive statement

[marsh lark]

1060, 1650/1660 are also built on DX12 but in some games it performs better on DX11 and in some other games it performs better on DX12

Treat it as a case by case basis really, try both and see which one runs better.

[pliant sage]

My GPU favors DX12 as it's a Turing, and it does okay well in it for RON, more so before 1.0. Some games play well with DX12.

If RON would have Vulkan.....

[marsh lark]

Or, let me correct myself. Not built on DX12, but supports DX12

[marsh lark]

Me personally, Vulkan absolutely shits my PC. Tried Vulkan once in R6S and sheesh, did my frames go down by a mile haha.

[gusty shore]

yall know dx12 and dx11 is mostly defined off cpu cores

[pliant sage]

Well it does depend on how it's implemented. In my system, Vulkan gives me like 111 average on 1080p while going as low as 88-90 on DX11 in World War Z

[marsh lark]

I am not a pc geek really, all I know is that I have DirectX12 installed on my computer and know that I should try both DX11 and DX12.

[gusty shore]

to kinda summarize it

[stone stump]

directx isn't a pc thing

[gusty shore]

dx12 more runs each thing per core

like shadows for 1 core

lighting for another core

[pliant sage]

It kind of is originally then Xbox since the OG did use it as its Microsoft..

[pliant sage]

Miniaturized Cell CPU style basically. Ryzens have a similar style in their chiplets.

[stone stump]

it doesn't. it's up to the users (in this case game developers) to make it so

[stone stump]

wrong

[fallen lotus]

alright smart guy 😭

[lucid elk]

https://history-computer.com/directx-11-vs-12-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=DirectX 12 is designed to,graphics and older hardware configurations.

DX12 is low-level, not multi-core by default.

If you're going to be a smartass, at least make sure your information is correct.

[light vector]

maaaaan I suck so hard at this game, I'm about to start my 9th fucking attempt on Sinuous Trail 😭

[grizzled raft]

Just your 9th? 🫠

[light vector]

yeah this mission is so close-quarters that if an enemy turns a corner and I don't expect them it's an instant game over

[fallen lotus]

part of the experience

[vestal crag]

Is PvP a thing in the 1.0 release?

[light vector]

I already made a couple people resign over Twisted Nerve

[grizzled raft]

Keep trying!

[light vector]

yeah but it's never been this common for the enemy to have the upper-hand

[light vector]

I sure will, no matter how many officers die in my hands

[lucid elk]

No.

[vestal crag]

Dang

[shrewd oriole]

I wish there was more articulation of exactly what you want your bobots to do

Like, for instance, "open. Bang, pie and clear"

[vestal crag]

good thing you put that comma in

[light vector]

I feel like if you could queue commands right after each other it'd have the same effect without having to programm each one of those in

[rocky plover]

yea

[shrewd oriole]

Thankfully. Couldn't understand what it meant otherwise.

[vestal crag]

bang a pie

[shrewd oriole]

Would work perfectly

Like placing C2 without detonating it.

[bright valley]

Just giving the SWAT granular orders to the point of absurdity lol

No, Eli, you have to squeeze the C2 clicker harder than that.

[light vector]

lmao

and throw that flash at a 43 not a 45 degree angle!

[bright valley]

Fuck's sake, nobody told me Eli wasn't the one to place the charge in the first place?
"You didn't order us to."

[tawdry nymph]

soooo

i can only unlock missiopns without mod yes?

[light vector]

Sinuous Trail is gonna make me go insane

if I go into that goddamn data storage facility one more time I'm gonna freak

[stone stump]

no

[bright valley]

I was recommended to try just going straight for the main server room until the SWAT miraculously got it right.

[light vector]

I'd rather not sacrifice more officers... I've gotten like 5 KIA already

[bright valley]

Ironically it was immediately after that I knocked out my S rank of that mission.

[light vector]

I guess I'll try, my strategy was to get the high ground early by doing into the left side entrance but I probably shouldn't do that

mainly because of the enemies consistently catching me off guard from down there through a window

[bright valley]

Yeah, frustratingly there's a number of maps where the strategy I've applied both has and hasn't worked. I have tactical ideas that I think are entirely sound on paper, but I think the bots fall short at executing them sometimes.

[light vector]

the way I died last time was with two AIs being stormtroopers and missing one dude who ended up killing 3 officers including me

that was one guy

[bright valley]

If I were instructing a team of human players, I think I'd take the ground floor entrance on the left side of the building and use the access that gives to split the team and simultaneously clear the 2F walkway alongside the server room below it.

[light vector]

I tried that exact thing once with the AIs but ended up being undermanned upstairs

[tawdry nymph]

good to know

(i might starting going through those missions then

[bright valley]

Yeah, like I said, the SWAT just falls short sometimes. It's a damn corridor that's completely controlled from one side, it really shouldn't be a five man job.

[tawdry nymph]

tbf

it should be a lot more poeple but

it is what it is no?

[light vector]

yeah, I'll give it a couple more tries, see if clearing out the main server room works

wish me luckies :3

[tawdry nymph]

GL

[bright valley]

If any doors are open up there the chances of them dying increase significantly, be warned. They have a nasty habit of not giving open doors enough caution while clearing.

[light vector]

gotcha

y'know, I'd play with real players but I don't have enough friends that'd shill 50 bucks for this...

[tawdry nymph]

all you need is to ask it here

[light vector]

and I don't wanna play with strangers cause I'm scared they'd have to put up with my bullshit, which my friends are used to...

[stone bay]

Don't know till you try, could find some new friends here

[tawdry nymph]

i mean im down to play some now

and to be fair id also be down for real players doing the raid

so yea

[light vector]

We could, lemme just get this damn mission done cause I'm getting tired of it

[tawdry nymph]

if you wanna we can clear it mission by mission

ill be on general VC

[light vector]

sure, wait for me there

[stable kernel]

If you would like some additional firepower I could join as well

[tawdry nymph]

yes plz

US COOP or?

[stable kernel]

Whatever you would like, but yes I am in the US

[light vector]

yeah sorry I'm taking so long, can't find those last couple suspects/civs

[tawdry nymph]

lets hop on to one of the calls

[carmine moon]

where is wenderly hills hotel

[shy tulip]

It is now Sins of the Father

[zenith trench]

God I hearing "Hey! There's people here!"

reminds me of the good ole days

back when Voll Heath house had big orange textures, and white plywood doors with red circles on them

Wait did I just hear one of the guys on Sins of the Father try and say he was secret service?? lmao

[shy tulip]

I can't remember if it was Sins or Voll

But they're so fucking creepy

"Please don't shoot" and then turns the corner and guns down my team

[amber dock]

I remember when they assigned civi voicelines for suspects

so I heard "don't break my nails!" then caught like 5 tec-9 rounds

[zenith trench]

I don't know for sure but I'd imagine it's Carriers of the Vine that would have those kinds of lines, they're cutlists and I expect nothing less of them

also, I know it's normal so this is a rhetorical question, but I magdumped one of the guys on SOTF with a USP .45 and he just stood there and flinched, didn't die

is- is that normal?

I need fuckin, uranium core bullets, lead ain't enough

[shy tulip]

Uranium fever