👮ron-discussion

[tired kestrel]

yeah, dont feel like dealing with that in 1:20 am so

[sleek spire]

yea the right side greenhouse section right? Shit's fucked

[full shore]

A lot of difficult angles and open space to work on carriers

[tough spire]

The greenhouse, the basement and that middle garden are all awful.

[sleek spire]

im not sure what happens to the officers in the plot for that mission, i remember looking for the cop the first playthrough and didnt' see her

[bright valley]

The greenhouses are a nightmare if you're trying to S rank.

[full shore]

I find the house with the tower the hardest to

[sleek spire]

the regular basement is horrifying, and the cult room basement i died a lot in

[tired kestrel]

whats yalls favorite mission? ( i asked this before but theres more people now)

[full shore]

Sins 💯

[tough spire]

Cult room basement?

[bright valley]

It's everyone's favorite enemy in Ready or Not, fucking glass.

[tired kestrel]

🤑

[prime mural]

oh no i mean the left side garden, closer to the basement area

[sleek spire]

yea the cult room has two floors

[tough spire]

You mean the church thingy in the back?

[sleek spire]

yea that

[tough spire]

huh I never had any trouble there

[echo mango]

what is the best way to save your progress before doing a re-install?

[sleek spire]

i literally forgot it was a church

[tired kestrel]

stop giving me spoilers

[prime mural]

oh bruh when i saw the church i had to pause cause i was one shot from dead

[prime mural]

ay man tbf u can see that from the map

[tough spire]

One of the gray box maps pre-1.0 🥲

[sleek spire]

i mean technically you can see the whole map before mission starts lol

[prime mural]

but yeh ok

[sleek spire]

you should actually inspect it beforehand, going in blind is rough as fuck

[prime mural]

i liked carriers, good mix of open and enclosed

[stone bay]

that church bit with the drums was scary asf

[tired kestrel]

oh theres no underground cave filled with wierd symbols?

odd

[prime mural]

youll see

[tired kestrel]

i bought the game 3 days ago i dont know what ur talking about lol

(yes i grinded the shit out of it because we got nothing in school)

[stone bay]

😹 lol

[sleek spire]

the only underground parts i remember are the coyote level and that one section with the meth heads in level 3 lol

[tough spire]

It was like... a miniature Brisa. Like a quarter of it or something. Supposed to be hotel rooms I think? Single story. It was so good to practice on.

[bright valley]

I'll be honest, I think VOID may have overused the whole "writing a bunch of stuff all over the walls" thing.

[tired kestrel]

i think its fitting

[prime mural]

kinda helps with the environmental storytelling

[tired kestrel]

like meth heads drawing wierd shit on walls makes sense

[tough spire]

It's big "freshman level writing course" like everything else in RoN

[prime mural]

i mean ur not wrong

[bright valley]

I don't disagree that it's a good technique, but it pops up on multiple maps now across multiple factions and that kind of waters down the effect I think.

[tired kestrel]

its different on different factions tho

from what ive seen

[prime mural]

yo how do u guys take on the back warehouse in port, im getting shot everywhere

[bright valley]

My default strategy for "big stupid area with too many angles" is hugging the perimeter.

[tired kestrel]

My strategy is gas them and let the 4 little minions go in while i camp with a shield

[bright valley]

lmao

[tired kestrel]

tbh, john wick enemies are only balanced because my squad also has john wick aim

[prime mural]

but i want to make widows and orphans

[tired kestrel]

wdym by that

[prime mural]

u know how the voll ppl keep saying "i have kids"?

[frail quartz]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[prime mural]

not anymore when theyre dead

[tired kestrel]

fr

[crude prism]

Go behind the greenhouse area

[tired kestrel]

i call it 1945 reference

[tough spire]

Make Windows not Widows

[tired kestrel]

*break windows make widows

[tough spire]

I can't think of anything clever that rhymes with orphans

[crude prism]

orange

[bright valley]

George M

[tough spire]

Reported

[crude prism]

[tough spire]

Make windows and oranges. 😐

[bright valley]

⭐ you tried

[sleek spire]

wait what.

oh jesus idk if i wanna look LOL

fk that level lmao

[stone bay]

I hate that level, so very much.

[dense quest]

Just played dealership for the first time

Loved it

These ppl are as fucked up as amos voll

[livid notch]

the legend says that there is some who spared Amos Voll and got S rank on this mission

[prime mural]

do the ppl in port fake death?

[livid notch]

all suspects can do this

[prime mural]

rly? i thought it was only certain factions

good to know

[livid notch]

if the suspect is caught by C2 there is a fat chance that he is faking

[prime mural]

this game makes me realize i may be slightly sadistic

[slim fern]

Which made it hard for me getting the Due process achievement, I had to place a cuffed suspect in front of a door to blow it and my team ended up killing me lmao

Still got it anyway

[livid notch]

i made this achievement by accident - there is small chance that C2 will kill, but in most cases it will be KO

[slim fern]

There were times i genuinely thought I got it but that wasn’t the case, they were all knocked down

[prime mural]

yo what is with ai and spamming full auto

i give them 5 mags and theyre still running out of ammo

[livid notch]

really? never had a situation that SWAT AI went dry on ammo

[tough spire]

Same... I never give them more than 4 mags

[full shore]

Same. I give each of them 4 mags and 9 flash bangs

[tough spire]

Jesus, 9?

Why?

[full shore]

Yep

Bang every single room lol

As you should be

[tough spire]

I don't because it's unnecessary, but 36 flashbangs for how many rooms?

[full shore]

45 flashbangs*. I also carry 9 and 4 mags 😂

[tough spire]

oh jeez

[full shore]

It keeps me from dying so it works lol

[tough spire]

I go 1flash-1sting-2CS if gas masking, 2-flash-2sting if not.

[rocky latch]

thats a cringe way to play the game

[tough spire]

How do you play then

[full shore]

It's the correct way to clear a room. Idc if it's cringe lol

[livid notch]

stingers work more reliably than bangs imo

[tough spire]

I've found opposite - there's been a lot of folks who have varyign degrees of usefulness for both

[full shore]

As long as you toss in a grenade first, it should still work. Regardless of stinger or bang

[slender adder]

stingers do work more reliably than bangs but they have the same radius afaik

[lucid minnow]

a question i have with going CS is on maps like Sullivan's Slope and WCC, the suspects have gas masks. wouldn't this render cs ineffective?

[tough spire]

If the room has a lot of cover in it - flash it. If you know the stinger will actually hit someone with a ball, sting it.

[slender adder]

its just the stinger has two radius, one inner, deals damage to morale and health, one outer, same as a flashbang

[tough spire]

It does in fact render CS ineffective

[full shore]

Can stingers register unauthorized use of force if you hit civilians?

[slender adder]

I don't think so

[full shore]

Tbh I never tried using them

[lucid minnow]

i've tried cs on sullivans slope and stunned the suspects with them

[tough spire]

The ones with masks?

[slender adder]

yeah their masks are purely cosmetic

same goes to helmets

only swat members' would work

[tough spire]

I could swear they've just ignored my CS previously. Time to do some objective testing I guess.

[hoary hollow]

The game is to easy now, so few susp

[rare rivet]

Bruh why are suspects so damn determined to NOT listen lol

[tough spire]

You gonna make a lot of enemies calling this game too easy around here.

[hoary hollow]

Man, before i played with i dont know 10 to 20 susp? Now there are only 5

[rare rivet]

What mission?

[hoary hollow]

I trained with my team/friends so much so the game was a deal

[hoary hollow]

All of them, sometimes i think is a bug

[rare rivet]

I think that is you my guy

Something is clearly wrong with your game

[hoary hollow]

In brisa cove, there was only three susp

tell me it's me

[tough spire]

Brisa should have like 12 I think

[amber dock]

^

[rare rivet]

Definitely just you lol

[cunning monolith]

my game always lagging, FPS drops just as i make contact with suspects. Anyone know how to fix?

[hoary hollow]

Ok, thx for confirm, i will check the archives, cause i was damn mad cos it's so easy with so few susp

[rare rivet]

Never had that problem, only problem I have is the suspects literally are do or die on all missions. Unrealistic asf lol

Also not a fan of the new stress system

[cunning monolith]

fr

[rare rivet]

I find myself playing more on practice mode just to get away from it lol

[tough spire]

The correct way to deal with the stress system is to ignore it completely

[cunning monolith]

why are the swat operatives, who go through mentally gruelling training for weeks on end, so goddamn mentally unstable

they have a crisis at the drop of a hat

[rare rivet]

Yeah its really bad

[tough spire]

They aren't trained. They're just the random civvies in Los Suenos.

[rare rivet]

Like... The concept was interesting, but very badly scripted lol

[cunning monolith]

"hey you! you look like a big guy, why dont you join the LSPD, you get a free gun!"

[tough spire]

"Thanks man, but I have one already. I'm in!"

[rare rivet]

I feel like it should only really affect them if you like... really mess up

[cunning monolith]

it is great to have, adds depth to the game, but very limiting with the current state of the games AI being john wick n al

[rocky latch]

rifle through everything

[rare rivet]

Like an officer dies, or you get a low grade on the mission, or you fail an objective.

[cunning monolith]

Yeah

[tough spire]

What, no strategy just gun?

[livid notch]

SWAT operator in crisis: maaaan this shit is tough
The same SWAT operator in crisis sent on mission: chill out man we got this

[rare rivet]

They literally just go insta crisis all because you killed someone lol. Kinda bad

[rare rivet]

Bruh the AI dialog is hilarious in those moments lol

[cunning monolith]

maybe when the next hotfix come through and fixes suspect AI, it will feel a little better because you wont have as many deaths, injuries etc

[livid notch]

when I played commander mode I've sent them to therapy as soon as they get stressed

[rare rivet]

It's like "How you telling me to chill when your papers say you about to quit??" 🤣

[cunning monolith]

i wish we could send them to therapy when they get anxious

as far as i know you just have to keep them on and hope you do well on the next mission to cure them

[livid notch]

but I have to say that LSPD have really qualified therapist - they can heal your mental scars no matter what

[rocky latch]

just foundation clearing

[rare rivet]

Yeah these AI are brutal.. I feel like I am playing more of a milsim than swat lol

Their behavior almost encourages you to go full lethal because they hardly ever surrender

[tough spire]

Maybe that's why this game's AI doesn't bother me that much.... I'm very milsim minded 😛

[cunning monolith]

i love it when the swat ai blow the arms and legs off of the one guy we HAVE to apprehend

[livid notch]

not to mention that their reflex time is like prime Roy Jones Jr on crack

[rare rivet]

Like I literally just died a bit ago because an AI at the very last second before I could cuff him stabbed tf outta me

[cunning monolith]

i hate the objectives that make you arrest someone, and then the swat ai will not use Non-Lethal on them even if you have it equipped to them

SWAT do NOT use the tazers lmao

[rare rivet]

Like.. I get its a game, but you are trying to call it a SWAT sim.. Ain't no regular crook who is robbing a gas station gonna just say F life and go stabbin at a cop about to arrest him while he is surrounded by 4 other cops with fully automatic rifles 🤣

[tough spire]

This is def not a SWAT sim. Way too unrealistic.

[livid notch]

apperhending is a bit easier - if target is incapaciated and you cuff them, it will count

[cunning monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/death-fight-john-wick-cqc-gun-gif-5738494

average methhead

[tough spire]

To be fair if you're standing around like an idiot like those extras you deserve it

[livid notch]

yeah I get it that mercenary or religious fanatic will fight to death, but meth junkie on withdrawl? not so sure

[cunning monolith]

The swat AI keep ignoring my orders

im gonna fire them all for insubordination

[rare rivet]

oof I guess I said something that triggered auto delete.

[tough spire]

Yeah they need help.

[rare rivet]

Welp RIP last message lol

[cunning monolith]

all of them goin back to PO2

[cunning monolith]

what did it say?

[rare rivet]

Didn't even say anything bad, must have been a bot trigger word

[tough spire]

12/0

[rare rivet]

To sum up what I said, I said I have worked the field myself and watched plenty of videos to know that yeah there are crazy people out there, but not EVERYONE you encounter is SBC

[livid notch]

SBC?

[rare rivet]

S by cop

I think that is what possibly triggered my message to be deleted lol

[livid notch]

k, now clear, thx for explanation

[tough spire]

The S stands for ||Samuel||

[rare rivet]

I will admit I do like that the made the ROE a little more laxed tho

[cunning monolith]

Yeah

[tough spire]

Agreeeeeed

[rare rivet]

Before 1.0 it did feel like you were always punished for killing someone, even if you were 100% in the right

Now they basically just made it to where you just don't get a perfect score, which I can back 10000%

[cunning monolith]

Way i see it, with the current state of AI, they get one warning/demand to surrender, if not immediate. Blow them away

[livid notch]

yes, the amount of bs "unauthorized use of force" was way to high

[tough spire]

To be frank the game doesn't even punish you if they fail to comply after a second or so

Like if the guy sits there backing away from you slowly and not dropping you can shoot them.

[livid notch]

when I play with my mates we have simple principle - our lives and civvies matter more that some skidmarked junkie

[rare rivet]

Nah I have tested it my self, they have to be like running or something for it to count. If they don't comply and/or make a "threatening" gesture. Usually it counts as proper ROE

[livid notch]

if suspect is in high ready - get them on sight

[tough spire]

Of course if you're playing for score anyway you're beanbagging/pepperballing and most of those you can do for free in most circumstances

[rare rivet]

You can shoot them, but sometimes you have to be careful not to kill them. Because sometimes a warning shot or something is good enough to make them rethink their actions lol

[tough spire]

Yeah kneecapping ftw.

[rare rivet]

Yeah I usually aim center mass or down at the legs. I have gotten lots to surrender at that

And most times I have my AI arrest them while I provide cover

I don't really waste the time arresting on my own unless I have to cuz most cases it results in me getting stabbed lol

[livid notch]

that;s why I order suspects to turn around from distance

[rare rivet]

Yeah I am still having to remind myself that thats a thing now lol

[tough spire]

Manipulating surrenders at a distance is underrated AF

[livid notch]

its a damn gamechanger

[rare rivet]

Honestly that VoiceAttack mod is dope

I have been thinking of giving that a try

[pliant sage]

Given the 1.0 suspect AI having a tendency to do "pull gun when SWAT is not looking" thing (when they surrender) more often, I am not sure if that feature is useful outside of civvies.

[tough spire]

It's how I do my stealth LTL runs. Bap someone at a distance with the beanbag, get them to crawl over to you

[livid notch]

looking away from uncuffed suspects is asking for trouble

[rare rivet]

Yeah you never take your eyes off of them.

In the real world, thats just asking for a death sentence. What you cant see can kill you

[pliant sage]

I mean yeah. They have a 99.99% to not do that if you ADS at them pre 1.0. Now, even if you do that they seem to love dying so much.

[lucid elk]

VoiceAttack is a separate software. :S

Or is there an actual mod now you have to download?

[rare rivet]

No not really.. I have noticed the more I do AI arrests while I provide cover, the more arrests I am able to make

For some reason they only like doing that if it is YOU making the arrest

[tough spire]

The AI balancing right now is "they are always erring towards the side of the worst case scenario" which is kinda rough but it is great for training good habits 🙃

[spiral crypt]

I'm playing practice mode and I can't get the AI to 'finish the mission' after I die, like they are apparently supposed to do

[rare rivet]

They are only supposed to gather bodies and evidence like dropped weapons. They won't complete objectives for you

[livid notch]

I played terrorist hunt recenty, which adds traps on every map - I died in meth house, and my team carried on. then they got blew out by trap triggered by C2 and game crashed xD

[pliant sage]

You may have a good point. One more reason to let AI do the thing with their 1.0 coding. Could be my AI mods however they sometimes do that towards my team AI too lol. Also on 1.0

The last 2 hotfixes may have lessened that.

[livid notch]

pre 1.0 AI was defenceless against suspects with fists only or knife

[rare rivet]

So is every mission same narrative? Like they got rid of all the different scenarios for same maps?

[pliant sage]

If the Steam achievements are an indication, they are separated into "arcs".

[spiral crypt]

yeah, I haven't been able to get them to do that at all. They literally just sit still

[rare rivet]

So they are just standardized missions now.. Not maps with different scenarios anymore? 💀

ngl kinda sad they got rid of that. Kinda liked that with the old version. Gave a lil more replayability with the maps

[tough spire]

Might come back in a non-campaign mode

[livid notch]

it was ok-ish, but some scenarios sucked bad like bomb threat or active shooter

[bright valley]

The scenario is tailored to each mission, for instance Relapse and Elephant have bombs.

[rare rivet]

I hope it does cuz every mission just feels like Raid and/or Barricaded suspect now

[livid notch]

like bombs in gas station or meth house would be pretty silly

[bright valley]

A lot of those other mission types didn't really work well and weren't implemented pre-1.0.

[rare rivet]

Do they? How do the bombs work?

[spiral crypt]

They just don't go any where, they just sit wherever I died at

[rare rivet]

Like is there a trigger man that can detonate them or is it just a lame timer?

[livid notch]

you have 2 bombs planted and time limit to defuse them (quite generous so no stress) in Elephant mission bomb placement is randomized, for Relapse is fixed

[rare rivet]

Well thats lame

[bright valley]

In Elephant, there's two bombs in random locations that need to be defused with 11 minutes of mission start. In Relapse, there's two bombs in static locations of the map that need to be defused within 30 minutes of mission start. Both missions have the usual mix of suspects/civs to worry about, but I think Elephant has a looser RoE.

[livid notch]

in Elephant you have like 4 or 5 suspects

[rare rivet]

Wasn't it a trigger person that could set it off before tho?

[livid notch]

nope

[bright valley]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the bomb vests in Neon Tomb.

[rare rivet]

It was a timer pre1.0 too?

I could've sworn I heard about how some missions you had to be careful because the suspects could trigger it if you werent

[rocky garden]

Seems like Friends Only lobbies are launching as public

[tough spire]

Self-Blow-Up (lol automod) Vests were a thing pre-1.0, I wonder if you were conflating that

[rare rivet]

idk I never played bomb, only heard from friends lol

But I remember a friend telling me on one of the missions on bomb mode, you had to really utilize stealth or the bomber would blow it

[amber dock]

That has never been a thing

[rare rivet]

So its always been a timer?

[prime wing]

Stealth in ron?

[amber dock]

Non existent

[bright valley]

I don't recall anything like that, been playing since pre-ADAM.

[tough spire]

Best way to play

[tough spire]

(Skill issue)

[livid notch]

<throwing bangs, using masterkey shotgun, C2> Suspects: I sleep
<opening the door> Suspects: REAL SHIT

[amber dock]

Didn’t ask

[tough spire]

To be fair most of those sounds are probably every hour occurences in Los Suenos

[rare rivet]

I use stealth just fine lol depending on mission of course

[bright valley]

Honestly, for all the legitimate criticisms 1.0 has received, I think the whole "VOID got rid of multiple game modes" thing is a little overblown. Barricaded Suspects is just the core game of "there's suspects and civs, bring order to chaos". Raid is the same thing but you can shoot suspects on sight.

[rare rivet]

You do know if you peak the door and push through it they wont hear anything right? lol

[tough spire]

Wait doors have handles?

[bright valley]

Bomb Threat is admittedly interesting because it stops you from taking your time, but Active Shooter and Hostage Rescue were simply not well-implemented at the time.

[livid notch]

+1

[amber dock]

No?

[livid notch]

I know, but it's still silly 😄

[rare rivet]

I mean sure but you can only play those missions for so long till everything gets repetitive. Thats why people complain, is because once you complete the missions.. "Now what?" lol

[livid notch]

well I think it;s a trade-off - you can have more maps, but generic or less maps, but with more details and better story telling

[rare rivet]

Having different mission types on those maps adds more replayablility

[bright valley]

My point is more that the different game modes were mostly either trivially different or bad to the point of not being worth playing.

[tough spire]

Ironman and S ranking is giving me the replayability I need so far. Cos it's hard AF

[livid notch]

with vanila AI especially

[rare rivet]

You are a brave soul lol

[tough spire]

I only play vanilla, yeah.

I ain't one of these cowards crying Baba Yaga

[spiral crypt]

how long does it usually take for the Trailers to show up

[rare rivet]

Yeah thats where things get kinda difficult, because for a game like this... If you are wanting to maintain narrative and keep replayablility ... You will need a good collection of missions

[bright valley]

I've talked about this once, but I'd be all for some sort of non-canon sandbox mode that lets players mess with the parameters of the missions however they want to play them, I just don't think anyone who hasn't got to play the alternate modes of pre-1.0 are actually missing out.

[amber dock]

Soft complete in practice mode I think

[tough spire]

Thisthisthis

Esp if you could have like, say, only one of the floors of the hospital as your AO

[livid notch]

+mutators

[tough spire]

Instagib Bighead mode when

[rare rivet]

Complete bring order to chaos and they should show within a min or so, it does bug out every now and then tho

[spiral crypt]

👍

[rare rivet]

I feel like a mission editor would be great for this game

[bright valley]

Yeah, the closest equivalent that comes to mind is how Hitman:WoA added its Freelancer mode post-launch. Hitman is a game that absolutely has a narrative baked into its maps, but Freelancer was added to wring some more replay value out of the content they had created, and it really really works.

[rare rivet]

Not like build your maps and such, but like you can choose what type of mission, the map, AI difficulty etc.

[tough spire]

Hitman's custom levels by players was very cool

[bright valley]

I never experimented with modding that game, just the official post-launch content.

[livid notch]

like even simple "terrorist hunt" - no civies, no ROE, just horde of suspects to take down

[spice mica]

why does my game keep crashing when i launch a mission in multiplayer?

[leaden fable]

but then why deploy SWAT? why not the national guard

[rare rivet]

Yeah this is a SWAT sim not ground branch my guy lol

[livid notch]

If I had a possiblity to modify mission parameters - then why not? 🙂

[dense quest]

Tbf the gun play is so fun in this game

[bright valley]

In this context: because RoN's gunplay is a lot of fun.

[dense quest]

I'd also like to shoot a shitton of suspects

[leaden fable]

maybe have them be holding hostages in a small room but the rest of the level is just suspects

a negotiation mission would be cool

[bright valley]

Like, I'm pretty stingy about the game depicting/encouraging policing in a way that's socially responsible, but as a game its gunplay is mechanically a lot of fun to play with.

So it'd be cool to have a way to lean into that without compromising the core vision/narrative of the whole thing.

[frail quartz]

Aren't SWAT only called in once negotiation has failed?

[leaden fable]

good point

probably with a dude having the gun to a civilian's head then you could negotiate

[dense quest]

In hostage situations swat is on scene on standby

[bitter mason]

game takes place when negotiations fail
only thing that should be close to that is varied suspect reactions and standoffs with them rather than always a gunfight

[frail quartz]

Like, TOC says in the beginning of missions that "Negotiations have fallen apart" or "Suspects are refusing to cooperate"

[stone stump]

but but game would be too boring/easy if you didn't have to shoot most of the suspects!!

[bitter mason]

Im not saying suspects should give up as soon as you see them. The game gets boring when you can anticipate a suspect shooting at you all the time.
I mean suspects should run away without firing, hesitate more with clearer animations like a hesitate surrender that can end in them running, fighting or giving up. And each level should gradually increase in suspect difficulty cause right now they can feel very similar. And with difficulty comes more stubborn and willing to fight suspects

you still need proper tactics and use of grenades and breaches to get surrenders more successfully. right now they arent very reliable all that much since suspects are always looking for a fight and rushing out of defendable positions just to get killed

plus plenty of areas in maps are far too open for the way grenades currently behave

the challenge should be in subduing suspects with well executed tactics and keeping a cool head under intense and chaotic situations, not how quick you can flick shoot a suspect before they headshot you

[livid notch]

in general CT units are sent where things went FUBAR

[livid notch]

^this

[dense quest]

I mean I don't think swat cares about getting suspects alive if the suspects have a gun and are willing to use it they're just gonna shoot instantly

Sometimes they'll shout "if you have a gun you're dead"

[bitter mason]

cool but this is a game with a score system and entire theme that revolves around taking people in alive. I dont want the ROE to be as strict as SWAT 4 but it shouldnt be ground branch

plus different levels should have different ROE, some are stricter some are looser

oop

[dense quest]

No I get your point gameplay wise but void really wanna keep it a swat simulator it feels minus the points

[stone stump]

wha

[bitter mason]

auto mod detected a bad word

[dense quest]

I mean void don't really know what they want even

[livid notch]

yup, but this should be clearly indicated

[dense quest]

Greased palms is a perfect example

[stone stump]

it was the unalive word i'm pretty sure

[dense quest]

Bring a guy alive who's shooting at you?

[livid notch]

for example in Elephant mission all ROE should be summarized as "kill on sight anyone with gun"

[dense quest]

Same with brixley

[dusty shuttle]

Im putting a whole mag into him

[bitter mason]

I dont really like calling games like this "sims" but like everything is based off of swat 4 which some would call a swat sim
But the entire thing that makes the game stand out is ROE and preserving life rather than taking it. If you go around shooting all suspects maybe you can get away with it but you get a worse score, but rn the suspect AI doesnt really let you do much else

[frail quartz]

To be fair, just because it was justifiable to use lethal force still doesn't mean they can't reprimand you for failing to arrest the one person they specifically asked you to

[dense quest]

At times it feels like they want it to be strictly a swat simulator but then you have an S rank that can only be achieved by arcade gameplay, bringing shooting suspects alive, 5 man swat team vs 16+ suspects in open areas

[livid notch]

that's why preparation is important

[livid notch]

armed with automatic weapons and plate carriers

[bitter mason]

Thats the problem, is they always resort to shooting, the point is when they see you they shouldnt always open fire because thats predictable and boring, gunfights should be the escilation that you're trying to avoid, sometimes it comes to it and you have to put them down but there has to be more varied reactions by suspects, some not instantly shooting and running, some hesitating and so on, they do hesitate now but it always ends in them trying to shoot you

[dense quest]

Well yeah but why have that as an objective you lose points from in the first place

[lofty coyote]

how many suspects are on port?

[stone stump]

basically what i said is that the game should reward you for playing tactically, carefully catching bad guys off guard without them doing the very binary "do i feel like unaliving myself tonight by cop or not?" with no self preservation whatsoever which makes the game very predictable and unsatisfying (unless you are into running and gunning of course)

[livid notch]

15-20 I guess

[bitter mason]

and the willingness and aggression of a suspect should increase as the maps go on, so the last couple maps should have the most aggressive suspects while the earliest are the least aggressive, rn they are all have a deathwish

[lofty coyote]

damm

[frail quartz]

Because they expect you to approach the situation in a way that avoids engaging with the guy you're meant to arrest

[bright valley]

Not at all hot take: Relapse should have a looser RoE since it's an active shooting in a location where there's no security and guns are prohibited.

[bitter mason]

yeah thats my point, and to do that suspects need to not always try and kill you straight away

[dense quest]

I hear you, luckily mods really fix that since also luckily void supported modding and you can edit a lot of attributes per level about suspects including reaction times and surrendering, but yeah vanilla ai behavior is just not it

[bitter mason]

plus they need much better behaviours when not engaging the swat team cause they often just wander aimlessly pointing their guns like robots rather than hiding and holding defensive spots.

[spice mica]

why does my game keep crashing when i launch a mission in multiplayer?

[dense quest]

Yeah it's so immersion breaking, surely it isn't hard to code them to hide behind objects

[bitter mason]

The problem with suspect ai goes far beyond just accuracy and morale values, they're unpolished in so many ways they just need a rework

[dense quest]

Yeah I'm just glad modding can fix some of the issues

[bright valley]

Yeeeeup.

[dense quest]

Sadly it can't fix suspects running through doors into 5 man swat teams and shit

[bitter mason]

they do have hiding behaviours, just fsr void likes them roaming like turrets. They dont even have an inbetween phase of "passive" and "alert"
I think they should only patrol hallways and open areas when they are "passive" but once they catch wind of swat by yells, gunshots, grenades etc they go in a "caution" mode where they all stop patroling and hold corners in rooms and defensive postions

it would make actually breaching rooms more frequent and fun since you wont have suspects doing their "shit my pants" waddle out the door in hopes of getting a kamakazi kill on you

[dense quest]

I'm almost certain I've never seen a suspect actually hiding

They sometimes run away

[bitter mason]

but these issues also extend to the grenades not being super reliable, and maps sometimes being too open with no room for effective room clearing

[livid notch]

I frequently see suspects taking cover or even blindfire

[frail quartz]

I've seen suspects hide under beds in Twisted Nerve, but I can't remember the last time I've seen a civilian, let alone a suspect use a closet/locker

[stone stump]

in a game about cqb where "defenders" should have the upper hand there's oddly not a lot of stuff suspect ai does to support that, instead they heavily rely on being unfair like that's gonna help cover the holes

[bitter mason]

they take cover and blindfire but thats all when they're in combat most of the time

[dense quest]

Blindfire all the time, but they often stay out in the open instead of repositioning behind anything

[bitter mason]

yep, Im not a fan of suspects always trying to take the offensive when the whole thing is they're ment to be defending

[dense quest]

I played a lot of this game and I (sadly tbh) never had a suspect in a closet or under the bed

I'm guessing it's a low chance

[bitter mason]

I mean the suspect AI rn feels kinda against the sorta hide and seek theme of the games name
cause they dont hide at all, might aswell be a military shooter

Only time I've seen suspects hide is under the beds in twisted nerve

was like that even in the adam update

[frail quartz]

Also can I point out how suspects can't even spawn in half the rooms in maps

[spice mica]

why does my game keep crashing when i launch a mission in multiplayer?

[stone stump]

yeah, ron plays way better as a milsim and that sounds just wrong

[bitter mason]

very disappointing since maps have so many hiding spots that never get used, worst one is ends of the earth, those guys should be hiding a ton

[frail quartz]

I often find myself lazily clearing rooms/neglecting to check blindspots sheerly because I know for certain suspects won't appear there

[rustic widget]

I have a 3080ti, yet still get frame spikes, how to fix? been trying different settings and using nvidia performence but they still come in noticeably, with nothing running in the background

[prime wing]

Game is not very optimized

not your fault more than likely

[rustic widget]

thanks

[prime wing]

I have a 4080 and still struggle in some levels

so

[rustic widget]

😆

[prime wing]

yeah

3080 should run at like, 80-140 on a good day

but thats not the case

[frail quartz]

Like, maps are designed in a way with tons of side rooms that the designers clearly meant to be utilized by suspects, but aren't

[rustic widget]

lol i was like, how the hell can my card not handle this?

[frail quartz]

(and suspects trap those rooms anyways )

[stone stump]

i get more on a 3060 lmao

[prime wing]

what resolution tho

[stone stump]

there's only one resolution

[stone bay]

I'm so glad the bombs on Relapse don't change location. That would be a nightmare.

[prime wing]

actually a good idea

now that you bring it up

[waxen grove]

Yeah its a shame the game released so poorly optimised

[waxen grove]

Hell swat 4 did it, no reason why RoN can’t, especially since it adds replayablity

[amber dock]

It still bugs me that they changed hospital to the barricaded suspects size instead of the raid size

so you have to clear an entire hospital

[prime wing]

Instead of it being random, there would be a lot of luck for players to actually rank S on it. Maybe a challenge mode would work

[waxen grove]

Luck for s rank? Whats the issues with bombs on the map and the bomb placement

[crude prism]

I mean Elephant is already random

Why not Relapse?

[tough spire]

Elephant makes more sense to be random than Relapse

[prime wing]

I forgot

you right

[waxen grove]

Like it shouldn’t break the ability to s rank depending on bomb placement

[crude prism]

What he's saying is that un-favorable bomb locations could lead to you getting timed out as clearing with nonlethal usually takes longer

[waxen grove]

Like random bombs are not “random” it’s a few pre programmed locations they can spawn at

[crude prism]

The current positions are in the top middle of the level

If we were to randomize, they would probably have to be put on different floors, and with players being able to spawn on both sides. It could be quite the distance away.
That being said, 30 min timer is still real long lol

[waxen grove]

When clearing the hotel level in swat 4 we sweep all spawn locations because we know them now but it still adds a level of replability since the bomb is never in the same few locations every time

[shrewd oriole]

Being put on a timer sucks ngl.

[prime wing]

30 minutes is more than enough, too long if you ask me for this scenario

Goes against the whole purpose of the shooting scenario

[shrewd oriole]

Even though it's a shooting level in lore it has no shooting mechanics

Just like neon.

[prime wing]

Thats how they wanted it to be in their own full vision of the game, but there is a disconnect between gameplay and context

[shrewd oriole]

Would make sense to still be a shooting level but with a way longer timer perhaps.

Or shooting levels could use their own ranking system - less points required to take up for the +5 on civvies.

Another thing I don't get is, where are all the cops?

Okay fine the police don't enter and do stuff for gameplay reasons, but they aren't featured at all.

They should be surrounding buildings. Sirens should be going off

[prime wing]

maps are dead

[sullen sundial]

You can hear a ton of sirens on Neon but yes

[prime wing]

when there should be like

2 people

at least outside

college shooting in the middle of a city:

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

[sullen sundial]

Buy Cheap Buy Twice is supposed to take place after police shootout so I guess everyone already died lol

[waxen grove]

The college level, what’s the RoI and what mode is it

[shrewd oriole]

The maps are for some reason abandoned.

I'm not sure why they didn't play on the aspect of SWAT being the only people entering for a school shooting.

Lore wise, at least.

[waxen grove]

The lore is so close to being good but then it kind of falls apart

[shrewd oriole]

I think that'd cause uproar, if history repeats itself.

The lore, at no point, is good.

[prime wing]

Dont quote me on this but apparently is so bad that everyone is just leaving the city

best excuse to not have npcs around the level or police, for performance reasons

[waxen grove]

Oh

Not even going to cut a corner are they

[shrewd oriole]

No need for npcs, just have models outside, and police cars with cherries and berries.

[prime wing]

a few police cars would be fine

[waxen grove]

Looking at abomb swat 4, city very obvious Alive yet you get close to the barcade you notice it’s not models but textures

[shrewd oriole]

Abomb does this perfectly, and ready or nots attempt at this falls completely short, almost like, 12 years later.

[waxen grove]

Envormental storytelling is almost present

[shrewd oriole]

Or not idk

[waxen grove]

But isnt

[shrewd oriole]

The RoN environmental story telling is: note on wall, hand print on window

[waxen grove]

You discovery CP and you say “Baging” toc says “Roger let them hang” or some random line

Like children of Tyrone is brilliant because it un nerves both swat and toc

[winged jolt]

fuck I remember that room with (soilers ig) ||the graves||

[waxen grove]

See

[crude prism]

"let them hang" TOC wanting us to -word for hanging- Amos and co

[prime wing]

"Your honor, the transcripts are there. TOC told me to hang them"

[winged jolt]

💀

[shrewd oriole]

TOC trying not to say the same 4 voicelines

[waxen grove]

“Er Roger “ is the best line we get and that can be triggered on anything

[bright valley]

"This is Talk, uhhh, that was a transcription error."

[prime wing]

PUT TOC ON THE STAND

[winged jolt]

"Sending Thames"

[waxen grove]

I can’t wait till maps can mod the voice lines

[crude prism]

TOC candidly saying "let them hang" needs to go onto one of those lightning memes with "you should ksy"

[waxen grove]

I remember maps so vividly from Swat 4 yet RoN there’s nothing

[shrewd oriole]

Toc always says l"et em hang:, but never says "HANG1!!"

[winged jolt]

also on abomb theres the bg noise of the gunfight and it adds so much atmosphere

like you FEEL that shits going down

[shrewd oriole]

RoN fails to build a believable and grounded atmosphere on all maps what?

[waxen grove]

Yeah

[shrewd oriole]

[waxen grove]

Streamer has gunfire and what not but its a holder from when it was active shooter

[winged jolt]

yea

[shrewd oriole]

Most RoN map ideas have great potential but it's totally untapped

[prime wing]

Some, but I dont think all are dead maps.

[waxen grove]

Its opening line is active_shooter1.mp3

[prime wing]

Pretty good gems

for the most part.

[zenith burrow]

did they nerf the AI?

[prime wing]

nope

[waxen grove]

Nope

[zenith burrow]

hmm weird

[vagrant vigil]

is there another hotfix? im patching rn

[winged jolt]

and campus isnt an active shooter sitch? like why is it barricaded ???

[shrewd oriole]

Proof?

[prime wing]

Sins is pretty remarkable

[zenith burrow]

maybe was just a fluke then

[waxen grove]

What its barricade hostage? Ok that makes so sense but whats the RoI?

[zenith burrow]

I'm so used to instantly dying through a wall

[shrewd oriole]

You got me there that goes hard but that's the only one.

[zenith burrow]

honestly I think the AI is fine

[sharp stratus]

Is there smth different from the LVAR .300 BLK compared to like the other 5.56 guns?

[zenith burrow]

the only thing they need to fix them is them shooting through walls

[zenith burrow]

I think it puts people down easier

[shrewd oriole]

AI with 0.1 ms reaction time:

[plain depot]

I love getting one tapped by a crackhead with the accuracy of an Olympic sharpshooter

[waxen grove]

Question does RoN have dynamic RoI? Im not sure if swat 4 did but I think elite force might of added it. Not sure but always played it with the mind set of dynamic RoI and never got tried at The Hague

[zenith burrow]

300 BLK drops people easily

[prime mural]

this is gonna sound super stupid, but when did the ppl in the containers in port get blankets on them?

[vagrant vigil]

and the instant 180 degree headshot reaction time, and the perfect accuracy while strafing with a full auto m14, etc etc

[zenith burrow]

probably my favorite

[sharp stratus]

Ooohhhh

[zenith burrow]

it's fine 💀 👌

[waxen grove]

Cause for the collage im running RoI, shoot on sight

[winged jolt]

me when ragdoll enters a wall:

[shrewd oriole]

Wallbang headshots:

[sharp stratus]

I've been spoiling myself with 7.62 nato too much

[zenith burrow]

just use your gear and you should be good

[zenith burrow]

ok that's the only one that's unfair

they just need to remove that and the AI is fine

[waxen grove]

Ah yes the gas smoke screen they can see so clearly though

[shrewd oriole]

Basically 0% surrender chance unless using non-lethals:

[fervent orbit]

I just got an update for the game does anybody know what it is

[shrewd oriole]

Nothing.

They added polish and didn't fix really anything important

[zenith burrow]

could be the masochist in me

I like the difficulty xd

[fervent orbit]

is that why they didnt announce it lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Try an AI mod and realize your insanity

[fervent orbit]

Im not talking about hotfix 2

[waxen grove]

They fired up the ai to add more localisations stuff

[shrewd oriole]

Probably

[zenith burrow]

I like the thought of me dying instantly everytime I peak a corner

basically a horror game

[shrewd oriole]

Yippee! Ai generated languages!!

[waxen grove]

I have a feeling Hotfix 2 was released to shut us up

[zenith burrow]

I like seeing a pixel of the dude and instantly dying

[fervent orbit]

well that didnt work

[shrewd oriole]

Less masochism and more so bait.

Stop capping

[winged jolt]

genuinely cant tell if thats sarcasm or you genuinely enjoy suffering

[waxen grove]

I like to point out that I have no source for this but at this point after ai subtitles I expect it to be ai generated languages

[zenith burrow]

both tbh

[fervent orbit]

the next step is ai generated voice acting

[prime wing]

We can agree that it was not reviewed by someone manually entirely

most sub work goes that way when using speech to text

[zenith burrow]

my friends and I get a good laugh when those moments happen

[waxen grove]

I understand it for any language other than English but like, scripts?

[shrewd oriole]

No man ever looks at wedge go to George M and thinks "yeah that's good, have fun deaf people"

[fervent orbit]

my favorite is "we're just good" for "wedge is good"

[waxen grove]

The voice lines would have been scripted so …

[zenith burrow]

wedge op

[winged jolt]

"wand it" is "want it?"

[zenith burrow]

wand kinda takes the fun out of the game for me

[shrewd oriole]

Deaf people are quivering in their boots at what he wants.

[zenith burrow]

I love a surprise

[waxen grove]

I wonder why the optiwand pip is still broken

Not like the new fancy tablet suffers the same drawbacks

[fervent orbit]

I don't like relying on the wand but it feels almost required for s ranking certain maps

[shrewd oriole]

I use pip because it's funny.

[waxen grove]

I use full screen because pip is bordline unusable

But I want to use pip

[shrewd oriole]

Me who didn't use wand on any of my S ranks

[shrewd oriole]

True

[fervent orbit]

you're a god

wand carried me through s rank relapse yesterday

[shrewd oriole]

No I just have to much free time

[waxen grove]

I want pip to not have this shitty vhs quality that doesn’t exist on full screen.

It’s like ok this looks like an attempt to balance the wand so… why isn’t it on full screen lol

[shrewd oriole]

30 tries on brixley because I didn't know people could die and you can still S later, I never want to play that map again.

[fervent orbit]

wait wdym

[waxen grove]

And any technical limitations are bullshit because the tablet shows helmet cam in decent quality

[fervent orbit]

you mean in multiplayer right?

[shrewd oriole]

I didn't know you can have dead members and still get S

[waxen grove]

If only we could use tablet to order swat ai around

Like you could in swat 4

[zenith burrow]

you can peak any corner without exposing yourself

[fervent orbit]

because one ai guy dies in singleplayer walking into a room with his back turned to secure a gun and there goes your s rank

[shrewd oriole]

I've Sed all missions in multi-player

[waxen grove]

You can do that in full screen

[plain depot]

real

[shrewd oriole]

But now I've gotta do a Ironman campaign with no casualties and only non-lethal

[waxen grove]

there is no reason for the screen to be so shit

[shrewd oriole]

3 achievements at once

[plain depot]

I've had suspects just randomly die before I even entered the room

[waxen grove]

Has anyone else noticed the lighting is still a bit messed up. Like perfectly lit rooms with no light.

[frail quartz]

I noticed that in freecam, I assume the game doesn't load realtime lights you don't see for performance

[shrewd oriole]

How does a game released in 2023, almost 2024 have worse suspect AI than a 2005 game.

[waxen grove]

It’s been a issue for some time

[shrewd oriole]

Also why can't we get different healing animations depending on place injured

[waxen grove]

The lighting update ages ago fixed it but also didn’t fix all issues

[waxen grove]

Eh let’s just get voice lines and ai fixed first

[bold sky]

its a pie

[frail quartz]

I guess because they don't want to force the player to hold still while healing the legs

[rose bison]

as far as im aware this is void interactives first project.

[shrewd oriole]

Would make perfect sense, if only the suspects didn't somehow lock onto your legs when aiming in a totally different direction.

Or head.

[muted root]

new update 20minutes ago

[shrewd oriole]

Cap

[muted root]

if you dont believe me check steamdb

[shrewd oriole]

This man lied!!11!1

On the internet!

[jovial sage]

check your build number

[muted root]

https://steamdb.info/app/1144200/depots/

restart your steam gents

and ladies

[shrewd oriole]

It was a 0 0001 mb update and it did nothing

Trust.

[sleek spire]

oh i had a 800 mb update like 10 minutes ago

booted up the game to test it a bit

[tough spire]

Game went from 40852 to 40986

[shrewd oriole]

You are all lying, there is no update!!!11!

[waxen grove]

Yeah new update

What it does is beyond me bur they pushed something to public

[shrewd oriole]

I am being brain washed.

[waxen grove]

Check steamdb

40minutes ago something was pushed out on public branch

[lapis plover]

there's a 900mb update to the game

[prime wing]

yes

[waxen grove]

:/

That’s something , what is it

900mb is not nothing, this has to have changed something

[lapis plover]

we don't know yet, no info

[bright valley]

assume effectively nothing unless we get patch notes of some sort

[muted root]

even with a patch people be complaining geezus

[waxen grove]

We don’t know what it is lol

I just want to know the change log lol

[bright valley]

could very well just be something technical like "our last hotfix fucked something, here's a small patch to unfuck it"

[waxen grove]

Hotfix 2 was nothing and I even bet it wasn’t supposed to release without the rest of the fixes yet they released it anyways to shut us up when tbh all I wanted was a dev diary with the roadmap and talking about what the next update will be.

[bright valley]

y'all i don't even have the spoons to complain rn ngl

[shy tulip]

That's why I carry sporks

[bright valley]

i don't think that's how spoon theory works

[spiral crypt]

Is there a way to tell if the ceramic plate is broken or not

[wintry ocean]

you die

[bright valley]

judge verbally announces "i done broke me plates"

[tough spire]

I don't understand how some of these folks justify their time just... lurking around a discord and moaning over everything instead of... literally anything else

[wintry ocean]

It’s the internet, that’s why

[bright valley]

they could instead spend their time complaining about the complainers and proselytizing how easy they personally believe the game is

[manic tiger]

Damn

Anyways, ricochet can apparently self damage and end an entirely good S run

[tough spire]

Here's a thought: Talk about the game and if you hate it so much move on

[bright valley]

minus 10 points for self-inflicted boo boo

[wintry ocean]

My personally favorite type of whine is the “ugh the AI is so bad I gotta mod it” and then they go “ugh this update broke my mods”

[tough spire]

Choose to suffer in vanilla 💪 🥲

[wintry ocean]

I play the game as god intended

Badly.

[tough spire]

Kicking and screaming and everything going to shit?

[full shore]

"hmm what can I change about my gameplay to beat this difficult AI... I know! Use mods to make the AI easier!"

[wintry ocean]

Nononooooo, it makes the AI ‘better’. Very different.

[tough spire]

There's a degree of masochism to enjoy the absurd difficulty right now, to be fair.

[wintry ocean]

Yeah

I just hope the stress system for the ai teammates gets a balance pass soon, they get a bit too stressed too easily for what should be the hardest the police have to offer.

[tough spire]

We'll See

[waxen grove]

:/ yeah nah i take modded ai the vanilla ai is broken still

And I do mean broken. There are parts of it broken that ai mods fix before even changing ai behaviour

[wintry ocean]

I haven’t really had issues with enemy ai

I’ve more had team ai getting stuck on the environment

[tough spire]

I def. have more issues with friendly AI than enemy 🥲

[stray bloom]

Holy shit the game's taking forever to load.

[wintry ocean]

Crimes cannot be committed if all involved are dead

[tough spire]

LOLWut! Do you have a recording?

Dang if only you hadn't stopped to bandage you coulda been faster 😂

Yall are nuts, thank you for sharing.

[bright valley]

regarding the difficulty, i mostly just dislike that there's are no compensatory measures whatsoever for people playing coop with less than a full stack

[wintry ocean]

I agree with both sides of that argument

[bright valley]

can i fill the rest of the team with SWAT AI? no.
can i tone down the difficulty to account for the smaller team? no.
can i get a small buff to account for the smaller team? no.
but there's literally two of us? tough shit, beat relapse with 40% of the resources.

[tough spire]

AI Swat in Coop is a planned feature

[bright valley]

like

[quasi gate]

They released another small update

anyone know what it's about?

[bright valley]

i really really am not a full-time complainer or anything, but you've got to realize that games that don't shit the bed on their release don't get an influx of complaining like this one is getting

it's just going to kind of happen until shit gets addressed, i dunno what else to say really

[wintry ocean]

1.0 hit right at Christmas, there’s always a lull in content during the holidays

For any game

[prime mural]

yo have u guys ever seen this red head in gas station?

[bright valley]

idk. irl tired, probably shouldn't be trying to have full blown conversations but here i am wew

[prime mural]

khaki pants and black jacket

[hearty vine]

Guys is MLO still Canon in 1.0 version ?

[bright marten]

is there a silent patch today?

[bright valley]

i'm really hoping the stuff that people are complaining about does in fact get fixed with time and void can start building back some of the goodwill that they've lost

[hearty vine]

Hot-fix

[bright marten]

ah, there's no patch notes

[hearty vine]

#patch-notes message

[bright marten]

that's from yesterday

[shy tulip]

That is not the most recent update

[prime mural]

theres a more recent update than the one yesterday?

[bright marten]

there was an update maybe half an hour ago and nothing's been said about it

[bright marten]

yeah my game is updating right now

[bright valley]

seems to be. it's mentioned on one of the boards in lethal obsession and one of the pieces of evidence for carriers of the vine. maybe somewhere else? i forget. some graffiti in 4U that looks related to it

[shy tulip]

idk

[hearty vine]

hmm

[shy tulip]

They were just the pvp faction with spooky videos

[hearty vine]

I still remember Ready Of Not ARG about MLO group

[bright valley]

RIP the ARG

[hearty vine]

yea

[prime mural]

yo why is my ai running his empty pistol instead of his shotgun

[hearty vine]

Because it AI

[prime mural]

he was getting shot thru glass and pulled out the empty blicky

[hearty vine]

Silly AI XD

[bright valley]

also on the subject of MLO and deeper RoN lore

if i had a nickel for everytime a former USIA agent went violently insane to the point of getting the LSPD thrown at them, i'd have two nickels

[prime mural]

Then there's the fisa guy at port

[hearty vine]

Fisa is base from FBI ?

[bright valley]

As much as he seems to be doing so begrudgingly, I'm really looking forward to Shayne's post-1.0 lore vids for RoN. He's put in a lot of effort trying to organize and present what there is to piece together.

[tough spire]

I'm so proud. Running two newbies through RoN and very intentionally not giving them any hints on the maps as we go and letting them take lead (I just run rear security and answer game mechanics questions) - they almost beat Greased on their first try. Almost. 😂

Round 2 I died right out of the gate and I'm watching them PANIC as they try to handle it on their own. Beautiful. Art.

[bronze sequoia]

Can we get some patch notes or something BEFORE an update is done? I want to know what is being fixed in case any friends have problems they can test out

[maiden prairie]

for hotfix #2?

[bronze sequoia]

The one that released today

[maiden prairie]

language localization

oh, which one you need to know?

[bronze sequoia]

Wdym
I have an 800mb update out of nowhere, I already did the one from yesterday

[tough spire]

Hotfix for the hotfix?

[tender zenith]

i also just got the update

[maiden prairie]

he meant the 887.mb one

[bronze sequoia]

Idk, 800mb update and there's nothing aside from yesterday's patch notes

[ebon ginkgo]

i hate how it patches the entire game

and it takes an hour

[maiden prairie]

thats unreal engine for ya

[tender zenith]

takes less than a minute for me

[ebon ginkgo]

well i have a hard drive

[bronze sequoia]

Doesnt happen to everyone, game just does it sometimes, apparently Steam has an oopsie or something

[maiden prairie]

IDK what the update done

Loading into the game takes longer for me

Or I have to much mods?

[stone bay]

Nope, I'm dealing with the same thing

[maiden prairie]

I'm going to run the voll health house level and see if there is performance improvement

[bright valley]

volleyball health house lmao

[maiden prairie]

Typo

[bright valley]

aww i liked it

[paper dome]

blow off voll’s head and play volleyball with it

[maiden prairie]

But there is no volleyball court

[paper dome]

use his blood to draw one

[stone bay]

Are gunshots and reload sounds broken for anyone else?

[bright valley]

oh ho. i haven't noticed anything yet but i sure hope not

[maiden prairie]

Not yet

[stone bay]

How do you manage to break shit with an update?

[bright valley]

computers are incredibly fickle to the point that it's a miracle they even work

[hearty vine]

||CARCOSA||

[maiden prairie]

Not really for me. But suppression after getting shot my fps drop to 14

Has anyone tried to change language in game works?

I tried and when it prompted me to restart, it didn't work

[rapid canopy]

anyone know what the 800mb update is about?

like what hotfix

[maiden prairie]

No idea

Trying to find out

[lofty hearth]

yea u go find out , i gonna sit here and wait

[maiden prairie]

[drowsy pecan]

I found out, they find fixed the

[steel crater]

Yo they fixed "the"? I was waiting for them to do that.

[rapid canopy]

yeah the was always breaking and shit, made the game unbearable, now i hope they fix that stupid

[steel crater]

Bro, every time it showed up in game, my computer would blue screen.

[maiden prairie]

😂

[steel crater]

Great bit.

[maiden prairie]

anyone got any performance improvement tips?

FPS drop is too much during gunfight

[bright valley]

"One of those guys has a shotgun... heard them going around shooting those gang members..." --Clemente Hotel bellhop, unprompted

[willow jetty]

The 800MB patch definitely fixed the ||container full of victims on Hide & Seek|| which was bugged by Hotfix #2. It's working properly now, so you can S rank that mission without mods again. By the size of it, I'd wager there are some other fixes too.
Yo dawg, I heard you like hotfixes...

[tough spire]

Playing tonight it seemed stable and fine. Didn't notice anything in particular different

[velvet steeple]

Getting an S with mods doesn’t do anything though

[brittle swan]

You get the achievment and the unlocks lmao

[rapid canopy]

use the FSR 3 mod thing

[maiden prairie]

ok thanks

but im not AMD cpu tho

[rapid canopy]

i think there is one for DLSS

[maiden prairie]

ok

[rapid canopy]

let me check

it was on a reddit post, let me send you it and follow the steps, made my game so smooth

[maiden prairie]

ty

[stone bay]

can someone tell me what do i do if a civillian photographs me

[vapid crow]

nothing

[stone bay]

oh cus i always killed them

[rapid canopy]

i love how they pull out the phone in the most suspicious way possible

like what are they thinking

[vapid crow]

just ther bc it kinda looks like their pulling a gun so its there to kinda trick you and teach you trigger disiplin

[stuck wing]

Dance for their tiktoks duh

[stone bay]

Officer: Pulls out a shotgun in their face
Civillian: Pulls out a phone

what logic is that

so goes the same for suspects, they dont care if you have a gun aimed at their head. They will get back up and use their weapon

[plain kraken]

I’ve killed a civi who was reaching in her pocket because it could be a gun

And I failed the mission

[velvet tide]

how do i check if i did the mission

[stone bay]

i try so hard to not kill the person we are arresting in valley of the dolls

[stuck wing]

This game need more fake civilians like in Police Stories so people won't leave them for too long without restraining

[stone bay]

hold TAB

you will see the mission objectives on the right

[velvet tide]

no like

if i completed the level

[rapid canopy]

the mission ends by itself once u do everything

[stone bay]

well not only by itself, it can show up on the top left and it will say "Y to end mission" or something like that

[rapid canopy]

u can vote yes to do a soft mission end but u get less score

[stone stump]

are you fr? fsr works on any hardware and even if it didn't, it wouldn't be amd cpu exclusive

[remote flame]

I keep having S scores ruined because AI keeps BREACHING when i say do something completely different.. its definitely broken and needs fixing

[velvet tide]

no like

[maiden prairie]

well, I never know that

[velvet tide]

how do i know if i completed a level, because i dont wanna repeat the level i js want the classic swat gear

[rapid canopy]

how does that even happen

[stone bay]

devs still staring at the community after they say the AI is broken for the 5 millionth time:

[rapid canopy]

singleplayer?

[velvet tide]

both single and multi

[stone bay]

^ @velvet tide

[rapid canopy]

it should say somewhere your rankin g

also in singleplayer u can't play the next mission until you beat it

[stone bay]

BTW anyone down to play?

[rapid canopy]

there's a channel for that, you'll get better luck there

[stone bay]

oh

[remote flame]

No idea, c4 flash and clear... they walk through the damn door. this never happened before the major patch

[rapid canopy]

that's weird

[remote flame]

have to always say 'fall in' before every command otherwise this can happen

just told them to hold.. alhpa runs in and gets himself killed LOL

[stone bay]

After verifying my game files, the gun sounds work

[prime mural]

yo why is sweeping suspects into the wall such a thing

do suspects not have collision while opening doors?

[eternal sundial]

did game just update? don't see change log tho

[prime wing]

We have no word as for what that hotfix was, if it even was one.

[prime mural]

bruh the beanbag shotgun cant even pop a balloon

[viral bone]

What's in the new updaze

[full canyon]

Is there a known issue with not finding all the civilians in sins of the father?

[patent escarp]

i got that question too

[eternal sundial]

yeah game version is now 40986 JAN 19 2024

[viral bone]

Fixed a typo

[brittle wedge]

why does steam says that im installing RoN but i've already downloaded it

[marsh lark]

there was an update and it is patching all of your files

[brittle wedge]

alr

[viral bone]

I read somewhere that patch was about audio

[brittle wedge]

welp makes kinda sense

[viral bone]

Could be false but hey,no word from Void

[elfin egret]

As is tradition

[viral bone]

It's probably nothing "important" since they didn't put out the notes

[shy heath]

guys i got update on ready or not but there is no note. my thoughts are probably they fixed port hokan but idk i could be false

[viral bone]

Hopefully

[shy heath]

but it feels good when the game updates, i just like the game alot

but i hope we get medium sized and normal or fast updates rather than very big updates in very very slow time

[elfin egret]

Honestly at this point I just wish the devs would acknowledge the issues folks are having with suspect AI. I'm not even asking for some sort of exact timeline, just some acknowledgement that they hear us and they're working on it.

[viral bone]

I'm sure they are aware

Until they got something solid they probably eon't comment

[gloomy wadi]

Update fixed the Port Hoken soft objective not being able to be completed, at least for me

[elfin egret]

The lack of communication is just frustrating. I'm also concerned because the AI has been this way since early access and we haven't seen any significant changes in all that time

[viral bone]

True, can we now expect updates often or 2 per year

[humble mauve]

"Currently, our primary focus is on the upcoming releases of hotfixes #3 and #4. These updates are specifically designed to address performance enhancements, fine-tune balance, and tackle any lingering issues related to suspect and SWAT AI."

[jaunty pebble]

SWAT AI is alr its just that suspects are straight up MLG no scoping me as soon as a pixel of me appears in their proximity

[elfin egret]

I guess my issue with that comment in the hotfix article is the "lingering" part. These aren't lingering issues, they've been problems for as long as I can remember that the community at large has been begging for fixes for

[humble mauve]

that is what lingering means

[jaunty pebble]

Yeah that is true its very dissapointing just how long its been around for pretty simple problems. The AI was overhauled to hide and fake death but there wasn't even the thought to add a line of code to make it so suspects miss for a second or 2 when suprised to prevent the trickshots.

[rocky latch]

I think A.I is pretty good right now

[elfin egret]

Maybe I'm just interpreteting it incorrectly. It makes it sound like the suspect AI isn't considered the nearly game-breaking problem that many players consider it to be, basically like its an afterthought

[rocky latch]

Like literally if they "fix" the reaction times by nerfing the A.I It'll become a boring game

[slender adder]

they have given you enough tools to prevent that from happening tbh

[spark hemlock]

take a look at SWAT 4 SEF. the AI is realistic whilst still fun to play with
RoN ai just headshots you from a tiny 2cm gap

[jaunty pebble]

No one says make the AI incompetent and idiotic but if I show up behind a suspect he should not be able to turn 360 at mach 12 and no scope my nose after sensing me breath.

[spark hemlock]

SWAT 4 SEF suspect AI actually get down when yelled at, ESPECIALLY if you catch them by surprise.
they run, they hide, etc

[rocky latch]

So you want more features of the A.I that's a differnet story

[viral bone]

AI had issues so stop pretending like it's fine

[slender adder]

you don't get detected if you don't make noise

[spark hemlock]

lmfao how is that more features

[viral bone]

Why is the gas station thug a navy seal in disguise

[jaunty pebble]

Yeah that's another problem since suspect AI has no regard to their own lives and will only surrender if tortured.
And civilian AI refusing to listen to you makes no sense most of the time. (sometimes yes)

[rocky latch]

Because you want the A.I to have a higher chance to get down, run and hide etc

[spark hemlock]

they can add fake deaths and pulling out phones but they can't add SURRENDERING WHEN FLANKED???

come on dude hop off that dick

[elfin egret]

With the AI in its current state I'm not incentivied to go for a non lethal approach, because more than likely I'll get snapshot by the god-tier crackhead the second I even think about trying a different approach

[spark hemlock]

VOID wont give you free keys for defending their shitty AI

[digital obsidian]

It's not more features, I've been a day -1 player and there was a time where the AI actually surrendered.

[rocky latch]

No I just don't care about someone surrendering when I flank because I don't flank

I just raw rifle every room

[spark hemlock]

oh so you play it like t hunt and not a SWAT game

[slender adder]

AI morale damage is bugged for multiple maps, that's probably why you were seeing them not surrendering

[spark hemlock]

that explains your entire stance

[viral bone]

Lol

[jaunty pebble]

Dude all I want is a random gas station robber to surrender when 5 muzzles are pointed at him and not try to john wick his way out of it (and succeed somehow)

[rocky latch]

It is a SWAT games I'm still literally using CQC fundamentals

[digital obsidian]

Morale damage is bugged?

[slender adder]

for quite a few maps yes

[spark hemlock]

literally lol, and this dude is saying it's a "new feature" that has to be added lmfao

[digital obsidian]

How is it bugged, if it's known?

[mild crest]

so do i at this point, but only because i know how bs that ai is lol

[slender adder]

????

[rocky latch]

It's just a chance

[jaunty pebble]

Mate this is a SWAT game not a SEAL team 6 game. These aren't jihadists willing to die for their religion. Its a crackhead

[viral bone]

There is no difference between bloodthirsty terrorist and gas statio kid thug. They are both so motivated to kill swat team

[rocky latch]

You want them to increase the chance of surrender, thats alright

[rocky latch]

Yea but why are you expecting a crackhead to have a self perservation mechanic

(They are literally doing crack)

[spark hemlock]

VOID can very easily code the AI to run off if scared, VOID can easily code the AI to actually surrender when flanked, VOID can easily code the AI to surrender when there's three rifles pointed at their skulls

but they dont LOL

[rocky latch]

Not to mention the main crackhead map shows satanism

[viral bone]

Explain gas station thugs

[digital obsidian]

Also it's annoying that every map works as "barricaded suspects", and not have any "raid" maps.

[rocky latch]

Explain to me the point of a gas station map in which the A.I surrenders as soon as you get to him

[silk idol]

the problem is not the code but the configuration
It's all already "coded", just misconfigured

[jaunty pebble]

And do you think cartel members and pedophiles would also follow the never take me alive method?

[mild crest]

i think the main problem is reaction time. even if there is 3 muzzles literally in their skin theyll still pull a pistol and drop you faster than you can subdue them again and i reckon thats a problem

[slender adder]

you are judging the AI according to unintentional behavior

[rocky latch]

Like why do you want a map in the first place in which you show up and 'because muh 3 rifles' the npc surrenders

[digital obsidian]

I get trying to pacify on early maps and such, but the hospital should be a "raid" map rather than a "barricaded suspects" one.

[viral bone]

Must be different maps we play cause every time they spray everywhere soon as they hear you

[rocky latch]

What is the replayability of this map

[spark hemlock]

even the crackheads on meth house are like...human
theyd still have a sense of self preservation, atleast most of them. infact there's a LITTLE KID'S ROOM and the mother could very well be one of the suspects

[rocky latch]

No I mean based on your suggestions they should surrender

[spark hemlock]

drug addicts dont simply lose their sense of thought and go onto "KILL COPS" mode

[rocky latch]

What is the replayability and point of this map and gamemode

[rocky latch]

They do when they're on drugs

[slender adder]

Possible source of suspect AI's unwillingness to surrender
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/18j0miu/possible_source_of_suspect_ais_unwillingness_to/

[spark hemlock]

using the excuse of "ERM LULZ WELL THEY DO CRACK!!!" is so fucking weird cause you know it isnt true. this isnt how drug addicts behave irl, as I said before they can still think

[viral bone]

There should be a morale system, not saying all should drop down soon as they sse swat

[digital obsidian]

Suspects have no sense of self preservation whatsoever.

[jaunty pebble]

Dude they literally added a mechanism where AI will kill themselves if they are in a hopeless scenario. The AI just doesn't do it since they are all apparently working with ISIS and want to go out shooting.

[slender adder]

there is a morale system

[viral bone]

Unless flashes, stingered or gased, they won't surrender

[digital obsidian]

I tell you that if you hear a SWAT breaching, even if you're high, you're gonna get shit scared and just give up.

[rocky latch]

That's literally the point of sui c 111de by cop

[slender adder]

that's exactly the point, you are supposed to use shock and awe

[spark hemlock]

its like the AI is actively being bred in a laboratory where their first conscious thoughts are "KILL COPS"

[jaunty pebble]

Suiide by cop is usually a guy pretending to have a gun to get killed almost never do they want to take the cop out with them.

[rocky latch]

No its also when you take a gun and go to a PD or local station and try to have a shoot out

[jaunty pebble]

"IF I CANT HAVE METH NO ONE CAN"

[viral bone]

What? Shock isn't when you get surrounded by 5 cops with ARs?
Swat 4 had suspects hesitating to shoot and run away or straight up surrender

[slender adder]

they do hesitate

[spark hemlock]

SWAT 4 had suspects that ran without firing bullets, they had AI that didn't headshot you through a 2cm gap, they had AI that surrendered when flanked or when morale was low

[slender adder]

and they do straight up surrender if they weren't bugged

[rocky latch]

You have pre determined A.I that Will hesitate and even ones that won't shoot at all

There are ones that will back away holding a gun that u cant shoot bc they havent aimed it

[jaunty pebble]

The streamer mission could have been the perfect learning mission if random shooters did not suddenly appear to a hoax call.

[spark hemlock]

they do but any "hesitation" ends with them shooting us no matter what. i've played like 30 or 40 hours since 1.0 dropped + hundreds of hours before, and 1.0 just fucked up the hesitation mechanic

[digital obsidian]

Yeah, not to mention that, AI sometimes just runs and guns while opening doors they're not looking at.

[rocky latch]

The only thing left is to raise the chance higher to make it more than one potential A.I

[viral bone]

I must be playing different Ron game then

[rocky latch]

These thingfs are already in the game

[spark hemlock]

the only "hesitation" is literally them slowly backing away, but after 3 to 5 seconds they WILL shoot you

thats it dude. the game is so unbelievably dogshit now lol

[rocky latch]

Then get off it

[spark hemlock]

i have lol

[rocky latch]

If you don't like where the game is headed then whats the point of this

[viral bone]

AI sucks and it's not like 10% of the community complains, it's like 90% lol

[spark hemlock]

"spiritual successor of SWAT" my ass bro this is just glorified T-hunt with rules of engagement added ontop

[viral bone]

Yep

[silk idol]

with ai mod you get hesitation which ends in compliance

[rocky latch]

Yes but how many people complain for the lack of variability

[spark hemlock]

at this point you can compare GB and RoN AI because they shoot you constantly unless you choose to run taser 24/7

[jaunty pebble]

Suspect AI pretty much works like this:
If: 1 officer visible = try to kill
If: The entire US marine corps visible = try to kill
If: Tortured = Stand and wait for it to stop and then surrender.
If: Surrendered = Pull out another gun to try and kill.

[rocky latch]

When most people are having legit skill issues even killing the A.I in 1v1 because they're old or not used to FPS games

[viral bone]

Variability? Dude there are literally videos showing AI tracking you through walls and shooting throug 1mm gaps so accuratly.

[spark hemlock]

5 abrams tanks pointed at a suspect and the motherfucker would still pull out his makarov to shoot

[spark hemlock]

dont you even dare bring muh skill issue into this LOL

[elfin egret]

https://youtu.be/yynmXp81fVs

[spark hemlock]

the AI is a joke and you know it

[rocky latch]

I enjoy the game I play it I put on music and clear rooms

[viral bone]

How can you defend this AI?

[rocky latch]

And deal with all suspects accordingly.

[viral bone]

So we should all play like you to enjoy the game

[silk idol]

just install ai mod man

[rocky latch]

I would enjoy the game under literally every playstyle

[silk idol]

install a mod

[rocky latch]

I can load up flash bangs and non lethal

I can take my time and check everything with a wand before I go in

[spark hemlock]

1200+ hours in arma, 300+ hours in RoN, countless hours in other FPS games (csgo, r6, wtvr)

this isnt a skill issue, the AI was bred to kill cops and nothing else

[viral bone]

That still doesn't fix the AI

[rocky latch]

My playstyle is meant to be the worst

[silk idol]

it does

[shy heath]

bro ok we can play the AI like this but it literally makes it look like we playing cs2 not a tactical swat shooter

[jaunty pebble]

You should play a military shooter. A swat shooter should not be about killing all the suspects it should be about minimizing death and maximizing arrests.

[viral bone]

I was talking to 2000

[silk idol]

sorry

[spark hemlock]

the game right now just plays like Ground Branch with civilian AI

[elfin egret]

The issue is not limited to just superhuman reaction times and wallhacking. Suspect (and civilian AI as well) just don't feel human. They don't act like people, or anything close to it. They pretty much just exist in a loop of idle > detect threat > engage. There's nothing in between.

[rocky latch]

Yes but that is just a difference in single variable for chance encounters that are already programmed in to the game

[buoyant junco]

Why has my game needed to have 56gb update 3 times in a row

[jaunty pebble]

1200+ hours in arma? Damn you must have gotten a whole 20 hours of combat.

[spark hemlock]

we were promised ambient animations

suspects smoking cigarettes, sitting down, pissing, taking selfies

guess what? ITS GONE LOL

they havent added them back for 1.0 ?????????

[rocky latch]

Yea man you'll get a fully featured human A.I soon

[spark hemlock]

when is soon

ambient animations were gone since the adam update if not earlier

[rocky latch]

This team of small developers is gonna make the most advanced A.I known in gaming

[spark hemlock]

small developers? theyve gotten millions from this game, they have the capability to hire more devs

[shy heath]

yep

[elfin egret]

That's literally all stuff that were promised in early access that we never got.

[jaunty pebble]

If modders can make the AI good im sure the devs can.

[spark hemlock]

this isnt a niche indie game dev lmfao theyve gotten literal millions in profits

[shy heath]

the game is not cheap but its sold millions of millions coppies

[rocky latch]

They could take literally every dollar in budget and dedicate everything towards the A.I and still not fully satisfy the entire playerbase

[viral bone]

AI shooting full-auto 200m away accuratly hits all the shots

[spark hemlock]

giving us what was promised in EA would be a start

[slender adder]

that doesn't happen

[viral bone]

Port Hokan

[jaunty pebble]

The suspect AI as of now is literally comparable to the enemy AI in the squad training range or the AI in ground branch.

[rocky latch]

If things like this actually existed in the frequency that people say nobody would be clearing maps

[slender adder]

yes and it doesn't happen

[rocky latch]

Ok lets split this up which of you cannot clear maps

[slender adder]

nor does it happen on Greased Palms

[spark hemlock]

no way bro is pulling the skill issue card again lool

[jaunty pebble]

Nah man im stuck on the first level

[viral bone]

Bruh, we literally failed an S run becaue guy shot us across the yard, with very accurate spray

[rocky latch]

You can accurate spray why shouldn't he

[viral bone]

You cant

[shy heath]

Is it only me in sinious trail got stuck but done it after 30 tries?